We asked everyone we interviewed, "Did you believe the struggle would end in your lifetime?" and with two exceptions, I believe, most people did not think it would. So when you see Arthur Chaskalson, who became judge president of the Constitutional Court and had a hand in writing the constitution, when I asked him that question he said no, he didn't believe he would see it. He was head of the Pretoria bar in the late 1970s and with other whites who were horrified at the ways in which people were being deprived of their rights even under law under apartheid, there were ways in which they were still being deprived, that they could've had more rights, he and others decided to try to take on apartheid. And basically it was a decision about sacrificing the rest of their lives to this struggle. It wasn't only whether or not they could be killed, it was what it meant for their families, it was the isolation, the terror, the feeling that they were dedicating their lives to a change that they would never see. So the marvelous thing about collecting these interviews was that when the change came, it came quickly. As Tutu said, he said, "We were all in shock, we couldn't believe it. Suddenly it happened and it was here and it was all over." As we know, the struggle continues, but there's something very important about the way in which Carnegie and other foundations decided to take the risk of going into South Africa during the time of sanctions, so it was a great ethical dilemma about what to do, to support these men and women who refused to give up the struggle for freedom.