From: Frank da Cruz (fdc@columbia.edu) Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.protocols.kermit reorganizaton Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.protocols.kermit Date: 1994-06-27 08:57:51 PST REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION rename comp.protocols.kermit as comp.protocols.kermit.announce create comp.protocols.kermit.misc This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) on a change in status for the moderated newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit. Presently, this newsgroup is moderated at Columbia University, and in fact, it is nothing more than a reflection of the LISTSERV I-KERMIT mailing list, which is the Kermit Digest, issued periodically from Columbia University. The suggested change is to: 1. Change the name of comp.protocols.kermit to comp.protocols.kermit.announce. 2. Create a new, unmoderated newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.misc. RATIONALE The amount of network discussion of Kermit protocol and software has increased dramatically in recent years, to the extent that the centralized approach to fielding queries and answering them individually is no longer manageable. It is felt that creation of an unmoderated Kermit newsgroup will allow a greater degree of self-help among Kermit software users, more widespread dissemination of information, and also a better forum in which to discuss issues of performance and protocol design in an open manner. It is also felt that this is a more appropriate forum for public discussions particular to Kermit protocol and software than the current assortment of comp.dcom.* and comp.os.* and other scattered groups where these discussions currently take place. Announcements of new releases of Kermit software will appear in a separate newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.announce, a newsgroup that can be posted to only from the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution at Columbia University. The current moderators are Frank da Cruz and Cristine Gianone. The only change from current practice is the change of name to conform to Usenet conventions. CHARTER The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of posting an item to this newsgroup does not necessarily enter it into this repository. comp.protocols.kermit.announce will be used for announcements, primarily in the form of the Kermit Digest, just as comp.protocols.kermit was used in the past. Frank da Cruz Manager, Communications Software Development, Columbia University in the City of New York, and present co-moderator of comp.protocols.kermit. E-Mail: fdc@columbia.edu From: Ron "Asbestos" Dippold (rdippold@qualcomm.com) Subject: RESULT: comp.protocols.kermit.{announce,misc} pass 239:24, 233:28 Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.protocols.kermit Date: 1994-09-08 08:04:30 PST RESULT moderated group comp.protocols.kermit.announce (replaces comp.protocols.kermit) unmoderated group comp.protocols.kermit.misc comp.protocols.kermit reorg results - 263 valid votes Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group ---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : ------------------------------------------- 239 24 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.protocols.kermit.announce 233 28 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.protocols.kermit.misc 1 invalid vote Newsgroups line: comp.protocols.kermit.announce Kermit announcements (moderated). comp.protocols.kermit.misc Kermit protocol and software. Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 September 1994. This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the proposed group contact Frank da Cruz . CHARTER The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for Kermit software is th list, I$KERMIT@CUVMA. But these will be posted separately rather than gatewayed, because gatewaying in the past has never worked right. comp.protocols.kermit reorg Final Vote Ack comp.protocols.kermit.misc ----+ comp.protocols.kermit.announce ---+| || aaron@kcbbs.gen.nz Aaron Davies YY aaron@zk3.dec.com Aaron Sawyer YY ad891@freenet.carleton.ca Bill Thorsteinson YY adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu Adam H. Lewenberg YY ade@psg.com Adrian Miranda YY ADobkin@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu Alan S. Dobkin YY AFECU@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Aron Eisenpress YY ag414@freenet.carleton.ca Colin R. Leech YY agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu Andrew Wing YY Ake.Hjalmarsson@kaepk.ericsson.se Ake Hjalmarsson YN alex@venus.nbg.sub.org Alexander Adolf YY alisson@dcc.ufmg.br Alisson Augusto Souza Sol YY am856@yfn.ysu.edu Michael DeCosta III YY anthony@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Anthony Stieber YY aod@ramp.com David Watson YY aorndorff@nhtsa.dot.gov Andrew Orndorff YY aronov@ziggy1.poly.edu Boris Aronov YY arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au Arthur Marsh YY ault@cs.albany.edu Jim Ault YY awouk@nyx10.cs.du.edu Arthur Wouk YY baker@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au Mark Baker YY bef@nwu.edu Bruce Foster YY BELANGER002@WCSUB.CTSTATEU.EDU Gerard L. Belanger YY bengtl@maths.lth.se Bengt Larsson YY bert@rsvl.unisys.com Robert Hyman YY bill@medicus.com Bill Chinn YY billy@mix.com Billy Youdelman YY birchall@pilot.njin.net Dan Birchall YY bjv@herbison.com B.J. Herbison YY bk@kullmar.se Bo Kullmar YY bketcham@u.washington.edu Benjamin Ketcham YY blair@olympia.gps.caltech.edu Blair Zajac YY bloom@dsd.camb.inmet.com Ray Bloom YY Bob_Clemmons@smtp.esl.com Bob Clemmons YY bowtie@mclean.mcd.mot.com Bill Dennen YY bruce.cloutier@dawning.com Bruce Cloutier YY brunkhorst.geoffrey@mayo.EDU Geoffrey Brunkhorst, Rochester MN. YY bsd@panix.com Brian Downing YY buda@star.enet.dec.com Mark Buda YY c812@freenet.buffalo.edu Matthew Hornyak YY cairns@upei.ca David Cairns YY campbell@brahms.udel.edu L.L. Campbell YY capitol!moore@uunet.uu.net Jim A. Moore YY carlson@cap.gwu.edu Eric C. Carlson YY CARPENTERV@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Vinit S. Carpenter YY ckd@loiosh.kei.com Christopher Davis YY clambrit@tcet.unt.edu Christian P. Lambright YY cloos@rahul.net James H. Cloos, Jr. YY cmarble@osiris.ac.hmc.edu Chris Marble YN CROSSD@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu David Cross YY crouchkp@flidh102.delcoelect.com K. P. 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Fritz YY FSBEM@acad2.alaska.edu BLAKE E MOORE YY fval_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu trey valenta YY galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Denis McKeon YY gcook@credit.erin.utoronto.ca Gordon Cook YY geno@nevada.edu EuGene Tramaglino YY george@cmhcsys.com George Westbrook YY georgeb@netcom.com George H. Bosworth YY gjb@gba.oz.au Greg Black NN gkj@cbisa.com.au Graham JENKINS NN gordon@torrie.org Gordon Torrie YY gt5139c@prism.gatech.edu Peter L. Thomas YN hakan@Nordic.Cv.COM Håkan SJögren YY halbert@world.std.com Daniel C Halbert YY hamilton@cs.iastate.edu Jon Hamilton NN harrison@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Yes YY harrold@barcly.acsd.msoe.edu David Harrold, Milwaukee School Of Engineer YY harvard!yale!microvation.com!tan@Think.COM Tan Bronson tan@Microvation.C YY HARVEY@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU James Harvey YY hcs@YORUBA.SLIP.CS.CMU.EDU Henry C. Schmitt YY hd@ece.rice.edu Hubert Daugherty YY henderson@mln.com Javier Henderson YY Herve.Schauer@itesec.ensta.fr Herve Schauer YY Hogeweg@cri.leidenuniv.nl Dick Hogeweg YY hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi Paul Hounsell YY hpubvwa.nsr.hp.com!mechp!bacon@relay.hp.com Jerry Bacon YY isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu Tom Bowden YY IVIE@cc.usu.edu Roger Ivie YY JAAKOLA@cc.Helsinki.FI Juhani Jaakola YY Jan.Kofoed@ngu.no Jan Erik Kofoed YY jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org Joe Morris YY jdavis@cs.arizona.edu Jim Davis YY jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu James R Ebright YY jeff@k9.com Jeff Beadles NN jejones@microware.com James Jones YY jep@miles.elk.miles.com Joseph Perry YY jfh@netcom.com Jack Hamilton YY jfortt@dorsai.dorsai.org Joseph Fortt YY jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu John G. Miles YY jharmatz@Jade.Tufts.EDU Jerold S. Harmatz YY jimmy@pyra.co.uk Jimmy Aitken YY jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk J J Farrell YY jmdaluz@kquest.com Jose M. daLuz NN john@iastate.edu John Hascall YY johnl@cs.indiana.edu John Lacey NN JOHN_W%VULCAN@mentec.ie John Whistler YY Jost.Krieger@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Jost Krieger YY jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson NN jsr@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu Jay Rouman YY jsruebel@iastate.edu James S. Ruebel YY jtbell@cs1.presby.edu Jon Bell YY judy@julian.uwo.ca Judy Steward YY jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu James C. Hu YY jyke@cs.tut.fi Jyke Jokinen YY kai@fix.kmk.rhein-main.de Kai Kretschmann YY kapffer@uaimzm.Mathematik.Uni-Mainz.DE Matthias Kapffer YY Kari.Hurtta@fmi.fi Kari E. Hurtta NN karl@grebyn.com Karl Nyberg YY kcb@post.its.mcw.edu Kent C. Brodie YY keith@roentgen.demon.co.uk Keith Howells. YY kenji@reseau.toyonaka.osaka.jp Kenji Rikitake YY kerr@oodis01.hill.af.mil Grant Kerr YY khan@rci.ripco.com Naseer Khan YY kherron@ms.uky.edu Kenneth Herron YY kinghix@palenque.win-uk.net Henry King YY kjs@umich.edu Kent Siemers YY klee@mprgate.mpr.ca Ken Lee YY knarf@nasim.cube.net Frank Bartels YY knassen@cochrane.bus.umich.edu Kent Nassen YY kosman!kevin@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Kevin O'Gorman YY krbnsn@lehman.com Ken Robinson YY L15D@ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE Martin Schr"oder YY lapinski_emery@jpmorgan.com Emery Lapinski YN larry@palan.palantir.com Larry Strickland YY larry@witch.mitra.com Larry Williamson YY ler@lerami.lerctr.org Larry Rosenman YY les@mcs.com Les Mikesell YY leung@unixg.ubc.ca Johnnie Leung YY linimon@lonesome.com Mark Linimon YY lpowell@eis.calstate.edu Larry Powell YY lutz@as-node.jena.thur.de Lutz Donnerhacke NN lvirden@cas.org Larry W. Virden YY mahe-marie-christine@yale.edu Marie-Christine Mahe YY marc@algorithmics.com Marc Moorcroft NN MARDER@agri.huji.ac.il Jonathan B. Marder YY Mark-Moraes@deshaw.com Mark Moraes YY marko@pulse.com Mark Orton YY marlys.a.nelson@uwrf.edu Marlys A. Nelson YY Mathias.Koerber@swi.com.sg Mathias Koerber YY mau@beatles.cselt.stet.it Maurizio Codogno YY mbm@dsbc.icl.co.uk Malcolm Mladenovic NN mbn@teleport.com Mike Northam YY MC8114@mclink.it Gianluca Attura YY mellan@acri.fr Alain Mellan YY mg@ac.duke.edu Michael Grubb YY mhatz@usa.net Mike Hatz NN mike@ccs.QueensU.CA Michael D. Smith YY Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk Michael Bernardi YY misar@rbg.informatik.th-darmstadt.de Walter Misar NN mmt@RedBrick.COM Maxime Taksar KC6ZPS YY mondore@rpi.edu E. Andrew Mondore YY MULLEN@hornet.ag.uiuc.edu Anthony Mullen YY naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org Christian Weisgerber YY nash@nrcbsa.bio.nrc.ca John Nash YY ncmoore2@aplcomm.jhuapl.edu Nathan C. Moore YY nh@lem.ee.ethz.ch Norbert G. Hanke YY nils@wildcat.dartmouth.edu Nils Nieuwejaar NN O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk Bertil Schou YY oconnort@netcom.com Tim O'Connor YY of@Mail.NetUSE.de Oliver Fink NN oneel@athena.gsfc.nasa.gov Bruce O'Neel YY osborn@rpi.edu Chet Osborn YY otiabq!ned@uunet.uu.net Ned Piburn YY OTISRES@rcinet.utc.com BOB SLEYS YY p00078@psilink.com Andrew Luck YY p01613@psilink.com phil reed YY Perry.Morgan@UC.Edu Perry L. Morgan YY perry@sol.cms.uncwil.edu Steve Perry YY peterson@csc.ti.com Bob Peterson YY petitp@divsun.unige.ch Dominique Petitpierre YY pfe@upp.promotor.telia.se Per Ekman YY power@gfms.bt.co.uk Mark Power YY psybenja@pew.psy.gu.se Bengt Jansson YY puma@netcom.com Gary Breuckman YY pwo@eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Peter W. Osel YY quinn@phoenix.Princeton.EDU Michael Quinn YY r.alphey@dce.vic.gov.au Russell Alphey YY ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Gilles Ratel YY Richard.Cook@Colorado.EDU Richard L. Cook YY rick@bcm.tmc.edu Richard Miller YY rick@helix.nih.gov Rick Troxel YY riku.saikkonen@compart.fi Riku Saikkonen YY RING@USPGH.SWITCH.COM John C. Ring, Jr. YY rja@sispro.sis.rpslmc.edu Roger J. Allen YY rkee@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca Roland Kee Y- rkinion@beta.tricity.wsu.edu Ronald E. Kinion Y- rob@genrad.com Rob Wood YY roberto@hsc.fr.net Ollivier ROBERT YY ronnie@cisco.com Ronnie Kon YY rose@cs.wisc.edu Scott M. Rose YY ross@ece.wvu.edu Ross Campbell YY rothstei@mcs.kent.edu Michael Rothstein YY rufinus@mbe.ece.wisc.edu J. Rufinus YY russell@alpha3.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca Russell Schulz, with Silly Bits afte YY rwm@MPGN.COM Rob Miracle YY sam@sun.tps.de Sassan Simai NN sasdrq@unx.sas.com R. David Quattlebaum YY scott@igc.apc.org Scott Weikart YY sfinfroc@beta.tricity.wsu.edu Scott Finfrock YY sgallowa@access.digex.net Scott Galloway YY SHI@CITHE1.CITHEP.CALTECH.EDU Xiaorong Shi YY Simon@colsys.demon.co.uk Simon Chapman YY SIRVINE@waikato.ac.nz Sean Irvine NN skim@netcom.com Steve Kimball YY slerner@Eingedi.Newton.MA.US Shabtai Lerner YY SLWW1@cc.usu.edu Shawn Kondel YY sohm@aeolus.vmsmail.ethz.ch Alfred Sohm YY SPB@tntv6.ntrs.com Steve Bonine YY stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown NN stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz YY swalton@huey.csun.edu Stephen Walton YY swheeler@netcom.com Sean D. Wheeler YY swl26@cas.org Steven W. Layten YY syc@cc.ntu.edu.tw Shiau Yong-Ching YY tbbusser@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu Tod Bussert NN telly!evan@lsuc.on.ca Evan Leibovitch YY terjem@hda.hydro.com Terje Wiig Mathisen YY thomas@lkg.dec.com Matt Thomas YY tk@sequent.com Tom Kloos YY tkoppel@nyx10.cs.du.edu Ted Koppel NN tmb@banjo.myxa.com Tim Brown YY twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu Tim Pierce YY u9014958@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca Ming S. Chan YY USTS034@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Landy Manderson YY uucm000@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Tingli Pan YY valiant@ritz.mordor.com David Zatz YY vel@adm.vellusig.de Egon Vellusig YY vogon1!frackit!dave@cse.psu.edu Dave Ratcliffe YY vvawh@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov Tony Hackenberg YY w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET Keith Petersen YY warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il Warren Burstein YY wcm@geek.ca.geac.com W. Christopher Martin YY winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il 4th Dimension YY WISANR@hartwick.edu R. N. (Dick) Wisan YY witek@cs.rpi.edu Witek Szymanski YY wkomatsu@cce.usp.br Washington Komatsu YY wombat@aquilagroup.com Christopher M. Conway YY yadallee@gAlLiF.ersys.EDmonTON.Ab.Ca Dave Shariff Yadallee YY yarbrda@moose.gdss.grumman.com Danny Yarbrough YY yogi@cs.Technion.AC.IL Yossi Gil NN Votes in error ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ jwright@schunix.com Joel R.Wright ! No vote statement in message From: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) Subject: Info Kermit Digest V20 #1 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit Date: 1994-08-26 06:38:28 PST Info-Kermit Digest Thu, 25 Aug 1994 Volume 20 : Number 1 Today's Topics: Announcing C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta "Using C-Kermit" Now Available in German "Using C-Kermit" Review Kermit Book Publisher Information Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit Kermit Digest submissions may be sent to Info-Kermit@columbia.edu or KERMIT@CUVMA.BITNET. Requests for addition to or deletion from the Info-Kermit subscriber list should be sent to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU. These messages must be of the form: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT (To start a subscription) UNSUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT (To cancel a subscription) REGISTER I$KERMIT (To correct your name) Kermit files may be obtained over networks and by mail order. On the Internetwork, use FTP to log in to host KERMIT.COLUMBIA.EDU, a Sun SPARCserver running UNIX (SunOS 4.1), IP address 128.59.39.2. -------------------------------------- Date: Thu Aug 25 17:50:57 1994 From: Frank da Cruz Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta Keywords: C-Kermit, UNIX C-Kermit, VMS C-Kermit, OS/2 C-Kermit Keywords: Stratus VOS C-Kermit, AOS/VS C-Kermit, OS-9 C-Kermit Keywords: QNX C-Kermit, RESEND, Recovery This is to announce a Beta testing period for C-Kermit 5A(190), a new release of C-Kermit communications software for for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, Aegis, OS-9, the Commodore Amiga, the Apple Macintosh, and now also Stratus VOS. The major new feature of version 5A(190) is the ability to continue file transfers that failed. This feature is available in the C-Kermit versions for: . UNIX (all versions except 2.xBSD) . OS/2 (the 16-bit and 32-bit versions) . Data General AOS/VS . Commodore Amiga It works only for binary-mode transfers. For example, suppose you were transferring a huge binary file between UNIX C-Kermit and OS/2 C-Kermit over a slow dialup modem connection, and the phone call was disconnected. Now you can reconnect and continue the transfer where it left off. Suppose you were uploading or downloading a bunch of large ZIP files in binary mode and the same thing happened -- the new "resend" feature lets you reestablish the connection and "resend" the same files; the ones that were already transferred are not transferred again, the one that was partially transferred is continued where the transfer left off, and the ones that were not transferred are sent. All the commands are the same, except you tell C-Kermit to RESEND instead of to SEND. This feature will also be available in the next release of MS-DOS Kermit, 3.14, coming soon, and later maybe also other Kermit programs too. Other highlights of version 5A(190) include: . Execution of APC escape sequences while in CONNECT mode, just like MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, for "auto-download", "auto-upload", and auto-anything-else (UNIX, VMS, OS/2); . Macintosh Kermit now works under System 7.1 (on PowerMac, etc). . Automatic directory creation for incoming files (UNIX, VMS, OS/2) . Command retry and recall, typeahead now allowed in command mode. . Improved transaction logging. . MAJOR improvements in OS/2 C-Kermit (see below). . An entirely new C-Kermit implementation for Stratus VOS. . A complete, full-featured port of C-Kermit to QNX 4.2. . Numerous bug fixes and speedups in all departments, especially script programming. . Documentation now available in German. And here is a more-detailed list of the changes: NEW OR CHANGED COMMANDS ASK & ASKQ Now allow unquoted entry of backslash (\) and question mark (?) for more convenient processing of DOS-like file specifications. DIAL For the first time, DIAL is available in the Commodore Amiga version. FORWARD