From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 14:15:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:29:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 10:29:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!asuvax!names.maricopa.edu!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: a friend having a problem Date: Wed, 21 Dec 1994 07:15:15 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 987 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, MS-Kermit Trouble Report Date: December 21, 1994 From: cboldt@execpc.com Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. Harware: See msd report Software: MS-DOS Version 5.00 Desqview 2.4 kermit.exe 3.14 228936 11-21-94 16:06 KERMIT.EXE 103994 11-21-94 16:06 KERLITE.EXE Details: {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides a way to execute external protocols. Commo ver 6.41 This is done with a macro command called {EXECute } {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive} The example command line works fine. However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is specified from this context, the result is a locked machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1. A cold boot is required to reset. What's been tried: Varying the position of the "set receive" parm This results in a lock-up Attempt with kerlite.exe Results in a lock-up Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command. This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room for other programs. Locks-up. set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini This works and is in use Setting receive packet-length from Kermit> prompt also works, no trouble at all. Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 1 ======================================================================== -------------------- --- Customer Information Name: Chuck Seyboldt ------------------- ---- Summary Information Computer: American Megatrend, 486DX Memory: 621K, 7424K Ext, 7136K EMS, 736K XMS Video: VGA, Video Seven, V-RAM Network: No Network OS Version: MS-DOS Version 5.00 Mouse: Logitech Serial Mouse Other Adapters: Disk Drives: A: B: C: D: E: F: G: H: LPT Ports: 1 COM Ports: 2 Windows Information: 3.10, Not Active -------- --------------------- Computer Computer Name: American Megatrends BIOS Manufacturer: American Megatrends BIOS Version: RDV 1.20 BIOS Category: IBM PC/AT BIOS ID Bytes: FC 01 00 BIOS Date: 07/07/91 Processor: 486DX Math Coprocessor: Internal Keyboard: Enhanced Bus Type: ISA/AT/Classic Bus DMA Controller: Yes Cascaded IRQ2: Yes BIOS Data Segment: None Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 2 ======================================================================== ------ ------------------------ Memory Legend: Available " " RAM "##" ROM "RR" Possibly Available ".." EMS Page Frame "PP" Used UMBs "UU" Free UMBs "FF" 1024K FC00 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FFFF Conventional Memory F800 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR FBFF Total: 621K F400 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F7FF Available: 443K 960K F000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR F3FF 454352 bytes EC00 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EFFF E800 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP EBFF Extended Memory E400 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E7FF Total: 7424K 896K E000 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP E3FF DC00 ################ DFFF Expanded Memory (EMS) D800 ################ DBFF LIM Version: 4.00 D400 ################ D7FF Page Frame Address: E000H 832K D000 ################ D3FF Total: 7136K CC00 ################ CFFF Available: 736K C800 ################ CBFF C400 RRRRRRRR........ C7FF XMS Information 768K C000 RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR C3FF XMS Version: 3.00 BC00 ################ BFFF Driver Version: 6.00 B800 ################ BBFF A20 Address Line: Enabled B400 B7FF High Memory Area: In use 704K B000 B3FF Available: 736K AC00 AFFF Largest Free Block: 736K A800 ABFF Available SXMS: 736K A400 A7FF Largest Free SXMS: 736K 640K A000 A3FF VCPI Information VCPI Detected: Yes Version: 1.00 Available Memory: 748K ----- ------------------------- Video Video Adapter Type: VGA Manufacturer: Video Seven Model: V-RAM Display Type: VGA Color Video Mode: 3 Number of Columns: 80 Number of Rows: 25 Video BIOS Version: Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10 Video BIOS Date: 01/24/89 VESA Support Installed: No Secondary Adapter: None ------- ---------------------- Network Network Detected: No Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 3 ======================================================================== ---------- ------------------ OS Version Operating System: MS-DOS 5.00 Internal Revision: 00 OEM Serial Number: FFH User Serial Number: 000000H OEM Version String: MS-DOS Version 5.00 DOS Located in: HMA Boot Drive: C: TopView Version: 1.10 Path to Program: D:\CO\dl\MSD.EXE Environment Strings ------------------------------------------------------------- TEMP=h:\scratch DSZLOG=d:\co\sav\commo.log FF=cdefh COMSPEC=i:\command.com EXTRA2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on PATH=I:\;D:\UUPC\BIN;..;C:\UTIL;C:\DOS;C:\;G:\DV MJOG=FILE:d:\co\sav\calendar PROMPT=$e[1;31m[CO]$e[0m $p$g ----- ------------------------- Mouse Mouse Hardware: Logitech Serial Mouse Driver Manufacturer: No Mouse Driver -------------- ------------ Other Adapters Game Adapter: Not Detected Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 4 ======================================================================== ----------- ---------------- Disk Drives Drive Type Free Space Total Size ----- ------------------------------------ ---------- ---------- A: Floppy Drive, 5.25" 1.2M 80 Cylinders, 2 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 15 Sectors/Track B: Floppy Drive, 3.5" 1.44M 80 Cylinders, 2 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 18 Sectors/Track C: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 47 276K 5140K 37 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 872 Cylinders, 8 Heads 35 Sectors/Track D: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 506K 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track E: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 15M 29M 220 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track F: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 15M 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track G: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 1030K 20M 147 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track H: Fixed Disk, CMOS Type 0 5352K 23M 173 Cylinders, 8 Heads 512 Bytes/Sector, 35 Sectors/Track CMOS Fixed Disk Parameters 306 Cylinders, 4 Heads 17 Sectors/Track I: RAM Disk 1313K 1529K 512 Bytes/Sector J: CD-ROM Drive MSCDEX Version 2.21 Installed LASTDRIVE=J: Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 5 ======================================================================== --------- ------------------- LPT Ports Port On Paper I/O Time Port Address Line Out Error Out Busy ACK ----- ------- ---- ----- ----- ---- ---- --- LPT1: 0378H Yes Yes No No Yes No LPT2: - - - - - - - LPT3: - - - - - - - --------- ------------------- COM Ports COM1: COM2: COM3: COM4: ----- ----- ----- ----- Port Address 03F8H 02F8H N/A N/A Baud Rate 19200 1200 Parity None None Data Bits 8 8 Stop Bits 1 1 Carrier Detect (CD) No No Ring Indicator (RI) No No Data Set Ready (DSR) Yes Yes Clear To Send (CTS) Yes Yes UART Chip Used 8250 8250 ------------------- ---- Windows Information Windows version: 3.10 Windows mode: Not Active Windows Directory: G:\WIN31 System Directory: G:\WIN31\SYSTEM Filename Size Date Time ---------------------------- --------------- -------- ----- VPASD.386 18784 5/05/92 14:31 MSCVMD.386 9327 3/10/92 3:10 LANMAN10.386 8786 3/10/92 3:10 V7VDD.386 40385 3/10/92 3:10 VTDAPI.386 5245 3/10/92 3:10 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 6 ======================================================================== ---------- ------------------ IRQ Status IRQ Address Description Detected Handled By --- --------- ---------------- ------------------ ---------------- 0 0861:F437 Timer Click Yes XDV.COM 1 0861:7114 Keyboard Yes XDV.COM 2 F000:EA97 Second 8259A Yes BIOS 3 F000:EA97 COM2: COM4: COM2: BIOS 4 2A06:1427 COM1: COM3: COM1: COMMO.EXE 5 F000:EA97 LPT2: No BIOS 6 F000:EF57 Floppy Disk Yes BIOS 7 0070:06F4 LPT1: Yes System Area 8 F000:EA42 Real-Time Clock Yes BIOS 9 F000:EECF Redirected IRQ2 Yes BIOS 10 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 11 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 12 F000:EA97 (Reserved) BIOS 13 F000:EED8 Math Coprocessor Yes BIOS 14 F000:E845 Fixed Disk Yes BIOS 15 F000:FF53 (Reserved) BIOS Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 7 ======================================================================== ------------ --------------- TSR Programs Program Name Address Size Command Line Parameters ------------------ ------- ------ -------------------------------- System Data 027C 20368 QEMM386 027E 3072 EMMXXXX0 LOADHI 033F 304 Block Device LOADHI 0353 256 SMARTAAR LOADHI 0364 256 CDROM MVSOUND 0375 9136 MVPROAS File Handles 05B1 5552 FCBS 070D 256 BUFFERS 071E 512 Directories 073F 880 System Code 0776 64 COMMAND.COM 077B 2368 /hw:0e:L COMMAND.COM 0810 64 /hw:0e:L COMMAND.COM 0815 256 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 0826 272 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 0838 592 /hw:0e:L XDV.COM 085E 120752 /hw:0e:L ??? 25DA 304 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm COMMAND.COM 25EE 2368 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2683 272 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2695 80 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm CED.COM 269B 288 -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg DNANSI 26AE 1744 CED.COM 271C 11360 -b512,128,2048,128,128,128 -fg COMMO.EXE 29E3 272 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm COMMO.EXE 29F5 6432 /v4500 /mcs-commo.csm ??? 2B88 272 COMMAND.COM 2B9A 2368 ??? 2C2F 256 MSD.EXE 2C40 272 MSD.EXE 2C52 345120 MSD.EXE 8095 8192 MSD.EXE 8296 10032 MSD.EXE 850A 4048 Free Memory 8608 87568 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 8 ======================================================================== -------------- ------------ Device Drivers Device Filename Units Header Attributes ------------ -------- ----- --------- ---------------- NUL 0135:0048 1............1.. MVPROAS MVSOUND 0375:0000 1............... CDROM LOADHI 0364:0000 11..1........... SMARTAAR LOADHI 0353:0000 11..1........... Block Device LOADHI 1 033F:0000 ....1........... QEMM386$ 027E:003F 11.............. EMMXXXX0 QEMM386 027E:0000 11.............. CON 0070:0023 1..........1..11 AUX 0070:0035 1............... PRN 0070:0047 1.1.....11...... CLOCK$ 0070:0059 1...........1... Block Device 8 0070:006B ....1...11....1. COM1 0070:007B 1............... LPT1 0070:008D 1.1.....11...... LPT2 0070:009F 1.1.....11...... LPT3 0070:00B8 1.1.....11...... COM2 0070:00CA 1............... COM3 0070:00DC 1............... COM4 0070:00EE 1............... ---------------- ROM BIOS F000 65536 F000:CE59 System Configuration (C) Copyright 1985-1991, American Megatre nds Inc., F000:0000 0123AAAAMMMMIIII07/07/91(C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., All Rights Reserved F000:0050 (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., F000:0100 ROM BIOS (C)1990 American Megatrends Inc., F000:8000 XXXX88886666----0123AAAAMMMMIIII Date:-07/07/91 (C)1985-1991, American Megatrends Inc. All Rights Reserved. F000:E0CA R(C)1985-1991,American Megatrends Inc.,All Rights Reserved.,13 46 Oakbrook Dr.,#120,GA-30093,USA.(404)-263-8181. F000:6CC0 :DLTdD F000:E00E IBM COMPATIBLE IBM IS A TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MA CHINES CORP. F000:160E If BIOS shadow RAM is disabled, F000:2220 AUTO CONFIGURATION WITH BIOS DEFAULTS F000:2396 Load BIOS Setup Default Values for Advanced CMOS and Advanced CHIPSET Setup F000:24ED !AMI BIOS SETUP UTILITIES F000:2633 (ii) Load BIOS Setup Defaults F000:26A0 BIOS SETUP PROGRAM - F000:26F8 F5:Old Values F6:BIOS Setup Defaults F7:Power-On Defaults F000:423D Load BIOS Setup Default Values from ROM Table (Y/N) ? F000:CF70 ROM-BIOS Date : F000:FF59 (C)1990AMI,404-263-8181 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 9 ======================================================================== ---------------- Video ROM BIOS C000 24576 C000:002A Video Seven BIOS Code, Version 1.10 C000:00A2 (C) Copyright 1987 Video Seven Inc., All Rights Reserved. --------------- ---------- C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT @echo off ctty nul ::cd \dos ::g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 ced -b1024,128,2048,128,128,128 -fsynon.fil ::mouse /C2/E ::loadhi setver.exe ::loadhi xeq colon ::g:\dv\loadhi c:\dos\mouse1 /2 cd \util g:\dv\loadhi /r:2 pr256.exe g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 stackey ::stackey g:\dv\loadhi /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mscdex /d:CDROM /m:8 /e /l:j ::\cd-rom\mscdex /d:cdrom /m:8 /e md i:\hold copy \command.com i:\ for %%x in (q.exe l.com \dc.*) do copy %%x i: ctty con set temp=h:\scratch set dszlog=d:\co\sav\commo.log set ff=cdefh set comspec=i:\command.com set extra=one_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on set extra2=second_long_variable_to_sacrifice_if_required_later_on prompt $p$g cls path i:\;d:\uupc\bin;..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\ ::path ..;c:\util;c:\dos;c:\ ask&wait "Spacebar for DV or wait $s seconds" ! 10 [ if errorlevel 37 goto dv goto end :dv g: cd \dv xdv /hw:0e:L ::Setting Default Allowable Swit ches :: ::Mouse Type none SerialPort1,2,3,4 /Cn Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 10 ======================================================================== :: PS/2 /Z :: InPort1,2,3,4 /In :: Bus /B :: MSX /X :: ::Language English English /L :: German /LD :: Spanish /LE :: French /LF :: Italian /LI :: Dutch /LNL :: Portuguese /LP :: Swedish /LS :: Finnish /LSF :: ::Memory :: Low Memory LowMem LowMem - :: High Memory HiMem /U :: Extended Memory EMM /E :: ::Interrupt Rate 1 0,1,2,3,4 /Rn :: ::Sensitivity :: Horizontal Only 50 5-100 /Hn :: Vertical Only 50 5-100 /Vn :: Horizontal & Vertical 50 5-100 /Vn :: ::Active Acceleration Profile 2 1,2,3,4 /Pn :: ::Cursor Display :: CursorDisplayDelay 0 0-10 /Nn :: ForceDefaultCursor off on/off /M :: ::Hardware Cursor Support true true/false /Y :: ::Button Selection :: Primary 1 1,2,3,4 /KPn Sm :: Secondary 3 1,2,3,4 /KPn Sm ::set mouse=C:\DOS ::C:\DOS\mouse/c2/u/y :end ------------- ------------- C:\CONFIG.SYS DEVICE=g:\dv\QEMM386.SYS RAM X=B000-BFFF DMA=32 dos=high rem DEVICE=c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:2 c:\dos\ramdrive.sys 1536 /a Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 11 ======================================================================== rem DEVICE=c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920 DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\dos\smartdrv.sys 1920 lastdrive=j rem DEVICE=c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A:300 rem DEVICE=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\chinon03.sys /D:cdrom /N:1 /A :300 rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /R rem device=c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:CDROM /L:j /N:1 /E rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\tslcdr.sys /D:cdrom /L:j /N:1 /E device=c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:7 rem device=g:\dv\loadhi.sys /r:1 c:\cd-rom\mvsound.sys D:3 Q:5 files=99 buffers=15 STACKS=0,0 ------------------- ---- G:\WIN31\SYSTEM.INI [boot] mouse.drv=mscmouse.drv shell=progman.exe network.drv= language.dll= sound.drv=mmsound.drv comm.drv=comm.drv keyboard.drv=keyboard.drv system.drv=system.drv 386grabber=V7VGA.3GR oemfonts.fon=vgaoem.fon 286grabber=VGACOLOR.2GR fixedfon.fon=vgafix.fon fonts.fon=vgasys.fon display.drv=V7VGA.DRV drivers=mmsystem.dll SCRNSAVE.EXE=G:\WIN31\SSMYST.SCR [keyboard] subtype= type=4 keyboard.dll= oemansi.bin= [boot.description] mouse.drv=Mouse Systems serial or bus mouse keyboard.typ=Enhanced 101 or 102 key US and Non US keyboards network.drv=No Network Installed language.dll=English (American) system.drv=MS-DOS System codepage=437 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 12 ======================================================================== woafont.fon=English (437) aspect=100,96,96 display.drv=Video 7 512K, 720x512 256 colors [386Enh] device=vpasd.386 SystemROMBreakPoint=false mouse=mscvmd.386 32BitDiskAccess=on device=*int13 device=*wdctrl device=lanman10.386 network=*dosnet,*vnetbios ebios=*ebios woafont=dosapp.fon display=V7VDD.386 EGA80WOA.FON=EGA80WOA.FON EGA40WOA.FON=EGA40WOA.FON CGA80WOA.FON=CGA80WOA.FON CGA40WOA.FON=CGA40WOA.FON keyboard=*vkd device=vtdapi.386 device=*vpicd device=*vtd device=*reboot device=*vdmad device=*vsd device=*v86mmgr device=*pageswap device=*dosmgr device=*vmpoll device=*wshell device=*BLOCKDEV device=*PAGEFILE device=*vfd device=*parity device=*biosxlat device=*vcd device=*vmcpd device=*combuff device=*cdpscsi local=CON FileSysChange=off PagingFile=G:\WIN386.SWP MaxPagingFileSize=2998 MinTimeslice=20 WinTimeslice=100,50 WinExclusive=0 Com1AutoAssign=2 Com2AutoAssign=2 [standard] [NonWindowsApp] localtsrs=dosedit,ced Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 13 ======================================================================== [mci] WaveAudio=mciwave.drv 4 Sequencer=mciseq.drv Mixer=mcimixer.drv CDAudio=mcicda.drv [drivers] timer=timer.drv midimapper=midimap.drv MIDI=opl3.drv MIDI1=mvproaud.drv Wave=mvproaud.drv Aux=mvproaud.drv Mixer=mvmixer.drv [v7vga.drv] WidthXHeight=720x512 FontSize=small [Multimedia.Setup] audio=mvproaud.drv,0,0,0 [mvproaud.drv] dma=3 irq=7 [mciseq.drv] disablewarning=false ---------------- --------- G:\WIN31\WIN.INI [windows] spooler=yes load= run= Beep=yes NullPort=None BorderWidth=3 CursorBlinkRate=710 DoubleClickSpeed=493 Programs=com exe bat pif Documents= DeviceNotSelectedTimeout=15 TransmissionRetryTimeout=45 KeyboardDelay=1 KeyboardSpeed=26 ScreenSaveActive=1 ScreenSaveTimeOut=60 MouseThreshold1=4 MouseThreshold2=12 MouseSpeed=2 CoolSwitch=1 DosPrint=no device=Epson LQ-500,EPSON24,LPT1: Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 14 ======================================================================== [Desktop] Pattern=(None) Wallpaper=chitz.bmp GridGranularity=0 IconSpacing=75 TileWallPaper=1 [Extensions] cal=calendar.exe ^.cal crd=cardfile.exe ^.crd trm=terminal.exe ^.trm txt=notepad.exe ^.txt ini=notepad.exe ^.ini pcx=pbrush.exe ^.pcx bmp=pbrush.exe ^.bmp wri=write.exe ^.wri rec=recorder.exe ^.rec hlp=winhelp.exe ^.hlp TBK=TBOOK.EXE ^.TBK wav=prec.exe ^.wav [intl] sLanguage=enu sCountry=United States iCountry=1 iDate=0 iTime=0 iTLZero=0 iCurrency=0 iCurrDigits=2 iNegCurr=0 iLzero=1 iDigits=2 iMeasure=1 s1159=AM s2359=PM sCurrency=$ sThousand=, sDecimal=. sDate=/ sTime=: sList=, sShortDate=M/d/yy sLongDate=dddd, MMMM dd, yyyy [ports] ; A line with [filename].PRN followed by an equal sign causes ; [filename] to appear in the Control Panel's Printer Configuration dial og ; box. A printer connected to [filename] directs its output into this fi le. LPT1:= LPT2:= LPT3:= Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 15 ======================================================================== COM1:=19200,n,8,1,p COM2:=9600,n,8,1,x COM3:=9600,n,8,1,x COM4:=9600,n,8,1,x EPT:= FILE:= LPT1.DOS= LPT2.DOS= [FontSubstitutes] Helv=MS Sans Serif Tms Rmn=MS Serif Times=Times New Roman Helvetica=Arial [TrueType] [mci extensions] wav=waveaudio mid=sequencer rmi=sequencer [Compatibility] NOTSHELL=0x0001 WPWINFIL=0x0006 CCMAIL=0x0008 AMIPRO=0x0010 REM=0x8022 PIXIE=0x0040 CP=0x0040 JW=0x42080 TME=0x0100 VB=0x0200 WIN2WRS=0x1210 PACKRAT=0x0800 VISION=0x0040 MCOURIER=0x0800 _BNOTES=0x24000 MILESV3=0x1000 PM4=0x2000 DESIGNER=0x2000 PLANNER=0x2000 DRAW=0x2000 WINSIM=0x2000 CHARISMA=0x2000 PR2=0x2000 PLUS=0x1000 ED=0x00010000 APORIA=0x0100 EXCEL=0x1000 GUIDE=0x1000 NETSET2=0x0100 W4GL=0x4000 W4GLR=0x4000 TURBOTAX=0x00080000 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 16 ======================================================================== [Microsoft Word 2.0] HPDSKJET=+1 [fonts] Arial (TrueType)=ARIAL.FOT Arial Bold (TrueType)=ARIALBD.FOT Arial Bold Italic (TrueType)=ARIALBI.FOT Arial Italic (TrueType)=ARIALI.FOT Courier New (TrueType)=COUR.FOT Courier New Bold (TrueType)=COURBD.FOT Courier New Italic (TrueType)=COURI.FOT Times New Roman (TrueType)=TIMES.FOT Times New Roman Bold (TrueType)=TIMESBD.FOT Times New Roman Bold Italic (TrueType)=TIMESBI.FOT Times New Roman Italic (TrueType)=TIMESI.FOT Courier New Bold Italic (TrueType)=COURBI.FOT WingDings (TrueType)=WINGDING.FOT MS Sans Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SSERIFE.FON Courier 10,12,15 (VGA res)=COURE.FON MS Serif 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SERIFE.FON Symbol 8,10,12,14,18,24 (VGA res)=SYMBOLE.FON Roman (Plotter)=ROMAN.FON Script (Plotter)=SCRIPT.FON Modern (Plotter)=MODERN.FON Small Fonts (VGA res)=SMALLE.FON Symbol (TrueType)=SYMBOL.FOT [embedding] SoundRec=Sound,Sound,SoundRec.exe,picture Package=Package,Package,packager.exe,picture PBrush=Paintbrush Picture,Paintbrush Picture,pbrush.exe,picture PocketMix=Pocket Mixer Settings,Pocket Mixer Settings,G:\WIN31\PMIX.EXE, picture PocketRec=Pocket Recorder Wave,Pocket Recorder Wave,G:\WIN31\PREC.EXE,pi cture [colors] Background=255 251 240 AppWorkspace=255 251 240 Window=255 255 255 WindowText=0 0 0 Menu=255 255 255 MenuText=0 0 0 ActiveTitle=164 200 240 InactiveTitle=255 255 255 TitleText=0 0 0 ActiveBorder=192 192 192 InactiveBorder=192 192 192 WindowFrame=0 0 0 Scrollbar=192 192 192 ButtonFace=192 192 192 ButtonShadow=128 128 128 ButtonText=0 0 0 GrayText=192 192 192 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 17 ======================================================================== Hilight=164 200 240 HilightText=0 0 0 InactiveTitleText=0 0 0 ButtonHilight=255 255 255 [Terminal] Port=COM1 [SciCalc] layout=0 [Cardfile] ValidateFileWrite=1 [Chomp] High=500 [Windows Help] H_WindowPosition=[240,170,240,170,0] [MSCharMap] Font=Symbol [PrinterPorts] Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1:,15,45 [devices] Epson LQ-500=EPSON24,LPT1: [Hop] UsageCount=1 [Media Vision Pocket Mixer] ;a=; Mixer patching support: ;b=; Set mixer control to , line . ;c=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t o use). ;Monitor=fixed,input,1 ;Synthesizer=unfixed,input,0 ;Microphone=unfixed,input,4 ;PCMWave=unfixed,input,5 ;CDPlayer=unfixed,input,3 ;PCSpeaker=unfixed,input,6 ;Auxiliary=unfixed,input,2 ;Master=fixed,output,0 [Media Vision Device Specification] ;MixerDevice=Media Vision Mixer ;MixerDevMID=3 ;MixerDevPID=0 ;InputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Input ;InputDevMID=3 ;InputDevPID=21 ;OutputDevice=Media Vision Waveform Output ;OutputDevMID=3 Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 18 ======================================================================== ;OutputDevPID=20 [Media Vision Pocket Recorder] ;a=; Current user interface support allows for: ;b=; one or two channels. ;c=; variable sample rates between specified minimum and maximum. ;d=; eight and/or sixteen bits per sample (commas between multiple va lues). ;e=; file compaction by two and/or four (currently not supported). ;f=; Buffer Management: ;g=; buffer size should be a power of two (default 32768). ;h=; number of buffers for playback and record ahead (default 5, max 16). ;i=; Pitch/speed effect related parameters: ;j=; shift fraction is the wave decimation size (default: 125th of a second). ;k=; fade divide is the shift portion to cross fade (default: 2, one half). ;l=; The profile entries are generated as comments (remove semi-colons t o use). ;NumChannels=2 ;MinSampRate=1 ;MaxSampRate=44100 ;BitsPerSamp=8,16 ;Compression=2,4 ;BufferSize=32768 ;NumBuffers=5 ;ShiftFract=125 ;FadeDivide=2 [mvmixer.drv] LineIn1=SYNTH MUS] PLAY L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineIn2=MIXER MIX] PLAY L= 56% R= 56% @=0000 LineIn3=AUX AUX| PLAY L= 53% R= 60% @=0000 LineIn4=CD CDA| PLAY L= 55% R= 55% @=0000 LineIn5=MIC MIC| PLAY L= 48% R= 48% @=0000 LineIn6=WAVE WAV] PLAY L= 74% R= 74% @=0000 LineIn7=SPKR SPK] RECORD L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineIn8=BLSTR WAV] PLAY L= 53% R= 53% @=0000 LineOut1=MASTER AMP| PLAY L= 76% R= 76% @=0000 LineOut2=REC IN WAV] RECORD L= 80% R= 80% @=0000 StereoEnhance=OFF Loudness=OFF Bass= 50 Treble= 50 SaveSettingsOnWindowsExit=YES [WinJack] Trial=2026 [sounds] SystemAsterisk=chord.wav,Asterisk SystemHand=chord.wav,Critical Stop SystemDefault=ding.wav,Default Beep SystemExclamation=G:\WIN31\DING.WAV,Exclamation Microsoft Diagnostics version 2.10 12/21/94 1:53am Page 19 ======================================================================== SystemQuestion=chord.wav,Question SystemExit=G:\WIN31\CHIMES.WAV,Windows Exit SystemStart=tada.wav,Windows Start From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 04:20:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:04:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 15:04:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a friend having a problem Message-Id: <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Dec 94 10:20:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 56 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > Hello, > > MS-Kermit Trouble Report > > Date: December 21, 1994 > From: cboldt@execpc.com > > Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" > is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. > > Harware: See msd report > Software: MS-DOS Version 5.00 > Desqview 2.4 > kermit.exe 3.14 > 228936 11-21-94 16:06 KERMIT.EXE > 103994 11-21-94 16:06 KERLITE.EXE > > Details: {Commo} is a telecommunications terminal that provides > a way to execute external protocols. Commo ver 6.41 > > This is done with a macro command called {EXECute } > > {exec kermit.exe set file type binary, set port com1, cd d:\co\dl, receive} > > The example command line works fine. > > However, if the set receive packet-length parameter is > specified from this context, the result is a locked > machine with the line "Bad Command or File" on line 1. > A cold boot is required to reset. > > What's been tried: Varying the position of the "set receive" parm > This results in a lock-up > > Attempt with kerlite.exe > Results in a lock-up > > Use the "-s" parm in {Commo}'s {exec } command. > This swaps Commo out of RAM to make more room > for other programs. Locks-up. > > set receive packet-length 2000 in mskermit.ini > This works and is in use > > Setting receive packet-length from Kermit> > prompt also works, no trouble at all. --------------- Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. I've never encountered COMMO so I won't guess about it. Also please do watch out for Smartdrive eating up cpu cycles like crazy when it flushes to real disk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:18:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:18:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3da9k9$95q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? > >To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). > MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji. Depending on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too. The Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations of JIS X 0208 on the host. JIS X 0208 is similar to Chinese CAS GB 2312-80. Your other alternative, if you are running CC-DOS (Chinese DOS) is a special Chinese edition of an old version of MS-DOS Kermit, 2.32A, by Quanfang Zhang of Zhejiang University in Hangzhou (see "Kermit in China", Kermit News #5, July 1993). You can find it on kermit.columbia.edu. The text files are in kermit/c/cc*.*, and binaries are in kermit/bin/cc*.exe. Naturally, we would like to see true Chinese support integrated into the new version MS-DOS Kermit; it should be fairly easy given the existing Kanji support. But it would require a DOS programmer with a knowledge of Chinese writing and character sets, and access to Chinese-model PCs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:32:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:32:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:32:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: a friend having a problem Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:32:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3daad2$a80@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec21.102006.35857@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , >jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> >> Description: Computer locks up solid if "set receive packet-length 2000" >> is a parameter when calling Kermit from a {Commo} macro. >> ... >Those omitted details show that program COMMO is attached to the >serial port hardware. That will be fatal if Kermit also uses the same >hardware. Thus I recommend you try without COMMO. > On the other hand, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is specifically designed to be used as an external protocol by other software, so if Commo leaves the port alone while Kermit is using it, hopefully there will be no interference. Two other possibilities spring to mind. When you add this command, you are doing two things: making the command line longer, and causing Kermit to dynamically allocate memory for packet buffers. If the command line is longer than DOS's buffer for command lines (if I recall correctly), terrible things can happen. It is better to use a shorter command line which points Kermit at a file to execute additional commands from. If that's not the explanation, then look at your memory management setup very carefully -- maybe more than one process is contending for the same memory, or QEMM is misconfigured, or Commo is not respecting Kermit's "space", or some other application, driver, or TSR is misbehaving. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:41:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:41:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:41:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC Initiation Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:41:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3daauo$arf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a >HP9000. Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z >works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is >outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because >I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC >software. Has anyone else had problems with APC? > Your problem report does not make sense. APC is supported by the terminal emulator in MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later, but TERMINALR/TERMINALS is not. So if your software is sending the TERMINALR/TERMINALS escape sequences and they work, you must not be running version 3.13, which would explain why APC sequences do not work for you. If you are running 3.13, then please read the update notes in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes on the diskette, which explain in great detail how to use the APC feature. I don't know what your MAPPERC software does, but maybe it is not sending the APC sequences correctly. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set debug session" so you can watch what MAPPERC is sending. You should see: ^[_xxxxx^[\ where xxxxx is the text inside the APC sequence. If you see that and it still doesn't work, then please make sure you don't have "set terminal apc off", etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 22:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:43:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 17:43:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MAC Kermit? Date: 21 Dec 1994 22:43:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3dab1k$aua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com>, Chuck Stickelman wrote: > >I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!) >but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu. >What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's? >Where is the latest version located, and old is it? > CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 23:00:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:01:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 18:00:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac? Date: 21 Dec 1994 23:00:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3dac38$c1v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu>, Eugene Tyurin wrote: >I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference >between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me, >the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on >it's saved settings file. :^( > Macintosh Kermit is not one of our top Kermit programs. It is basically a combination of C-Kermit 5A with a Macintosh user and system interface. C-Kermit 5A is mine, the Mac-specific part is nobody's. Ten (yes, ten) years ago, the original Mac Kermit was written by my group, but those people are long gone. I am not funded to replace them. For some years, we had some excellent volunteer Mac programmers who made terrific progress, but they are now also long gone. What is the difference between 0.991(190) and 0.99(190)? It is that I tracked down and fixed the problem that was causing 0.99(190) -- and all earlier versions -- to crash when downloading files on Mac System 7.1 and later (the problem being that a system call that had worked for ten years had suddenly stopped working). I also fixed the READ command not to crash. I also fixed the various LOG commands, which never worked before. I fixed the file transfer display, which previously often did not know whether a file was being sent or received, and added some additional info, like the current directory. I fixed some of the dialog boxes to show the current file-related settings correctly, in case they had been set from the command window. I removed the stupid alert boxes that kept coming up saying "Writing to console not allowed". I added a DIRECTORY command, and fixed various other file-related commands. etc etc. And I guess I must also have broken something. Sorry. I'm not a Macintosh programmer, and I am beginning to wonder if anybody is. I am surprised that so many people use this program, and apparently so many universities depend on it, but nobody is willing or able to contribute to its development or support. I would do it myself, but there are simply not enough hours in a day. If you are a skilled Macintosh programmer, preferably in MPW C, and are interested in helping out, please read the ckmker.bwr file, and then if you are still interested, contact me. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 22 21:53:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:53:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 22 Dec 1994 16:53:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing Date: 22 Dec 1994 21:53:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-15 include: . The SEND command now accepts an "indirect filename", starting with "@"; the named file contains a list of files to be sent (see KERMIT.UPD). . TCP and IP now use less packets, good for SLIP. . Doomsday Kermit (DDK) protocol fixed, really this time. . SET TELNET TERM no longer uppercases the name. . MAIL command fixed. . A bug with ESC completion fixed in command parser. . REMOTE ASG added as "special abbreviation" for REMOTE ASSIGN. . \v(inpath) now also works when file found in current directory. Thanks to Joe Doupnik for all the above, and much else too! Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 23 06:48:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:52:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:52:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fastrac.llnl.gov!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD Date: 22 Dec 1994 22:48:21 -0800 Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: HANGUP on FreeBSD drops DTR longer than 0.5 second Keywords: HANGUP timing FreeBSD DTR X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'. On my Linux system, the command works according to the book. It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE). Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS? If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON? In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things. Thanks for any info, --Roland Kwee email: rolandkwee@acm.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 06:52:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:57:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 07:57:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 06:52:15 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tryon.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes clone faxmodem. Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient. I'm transferring compressed binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0 packets resent). Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and 30% (disabled) efficiency. I do understand why my efficiency improves when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why it is so low overall. The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone suggest to increase efficiency? TIA. -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 14:06:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:04:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 09:04:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.Gsu.EDU!usenet From: Tom Bowden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 14:06:43 GMT Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: isgtmb.gsu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote: > > C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm > Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus > end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes > clone faxmodem. > [stuff deleted] > > The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for > each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? > > Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone > suggest to increase efficiency? > Use longer packets. In PCPLUS, go into setup (alt-s), then Protocols, then Kermit (this may vary depending on which version you have). The default packet length is 94. Change it to 1024. At the unversity end, edit your .kermrc (or ckermit.ini) file so that it includes the lines: set send packet-length 1024 set receive packet-length 1024 set window 3 Hope this helps. Tom in Atlanta From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 15:59:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 11:00:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 10:59:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HANGUP problem on FreeBSD Date: 23 Dec 1994 15:59:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <3des5q$gm2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: HANGUP timing FreeBSD DTR Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ddrrl$hc@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, Roland Kwee wrote: >Issuing the HANGUP command on my FreeBSD system drops the >DTR line forever, instead of just 0.5 second, as explained >in the C-Kermit book (page 45). I use the modem setting 'direct'. > >On my Linux system, the command works according to the book. >It is a problem for me, because I try to connect both systems >with a direct line and SLIP, and the HANGUP command should >cause the other machine to logout. However, I found no way >to get the DTR on the FreeBSD box back to ON! (except SET LINE). > >Can anyone tell me if this is supposed to depend on the OS? >If it may be a bug? How to turn DTR to ON? > It is supposed to work as described in the book. During (and after) the development of C-Kermit 5A(190), FreeBSD kept changing out from under me. I received numerous "patches" from all over the world, most of them mutually contradictory. As you have probably seen by inspecting the tthang() routine in ckutio.c, the simple act of dropping DTR for half a second is one of the hardest things to do in non-vendor-specific UNIX communications software, since there are so many different ways to do it -- each system has its own way. tthang() presently takes up 405 lines of code, and still fails to work in some cases, like yours. The POSIX method is used In the FreeBSD case -- relatively straightforward (get current speed, save it, set speed to 0, sleep half a second(*), restore speed), so if it doesn't work, there is probably something wrong underneath -- i.e. in FreeBSD or your serial port driver. All I can say is, you are free to make changes to tthang() and send them to me, but don't have any confidence that your changes will work for any length of time, given FreeBSD's track record on stability so far (speaking as an outsider, no offense intended). I don't have access to any FreeBSD systems to do this work myself. Also, in my correspondence with other FreeBSD users, nobody has reported a problem like this, so it's very likely peculiar to a specific configuration (kernel edit, driver edit, whatever). >In general, is there a way with Kermit to set ANY of the handshake lines >to arbitrary values? Would be neat for testing all kinds of things. > This would be a great feature, but no, there is no standard or portable way (not even several standard ways) to set arbitrary modem signals. C-Kermit does have a "show modem" command, which works on the (few) UNIX variations that allow modem signals to be tested. HP-UX probably has the best serial i/o interface I've seen; very few others even approach it. UNIX "standards bodies" have vigorously avoided the area of serial communications, which, even in this age of low-cost, high-speed modems and the worldwide public stampede to the "on-ramp" of the "information superhighway" -- a time when serial communications is becoming more important than ever before. POSIX made some progress, but it's only one of many APIs, and even the POSIX.1 API is inadequate. It does not address questions of exclusive access (which leaves us, still, with the "UUCP lockfile" -- one of the most atrocious ideas in software engineering ever to gain "de facto standard" status, ranking right up there with cooperative multitasking, with which it has more than a little in common), hardware flow control, modem signals, nondestructive input-buffer peeking, or fine-grained (under one second) sleeps, all of which are essential for serial communications. (*) But since there is no way to sleep for half a second in POSIX, we have to use some kind of non-POSIX-compliant method, i.e. an "extension", and this might be a good place to start looking for the problem. See the msleep() routine in ckutio.c. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 05:06:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 12:45:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 12:45:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Message-Id: <1994Dec19.110606.35728@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Dec 94 11:06:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter) writes: > I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 > students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal > program. All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There isn't such a thing. I believe you must mean MS-DOS Kermit, no relation to C Kermit other than from the same project. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 19:58:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:49:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 13:49:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!news.reed.edu!sun.lclark.edu!sun.lclark.edu!not-for-mail From: miller@sun.lclark.edu (John Miller) Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Date: 19 Dec 1994 11:58:35 -0800 Organization: Lewis and Clark College, Portland OR Lines: 16 Distribution: or Message-Id: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun.lclark.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results on the net. Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages? We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions of sz, etc. Thanks, John Miller -- "What's ahead?" From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 07:30:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:24:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:24:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!u54294 Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago, ADN Computer Center Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:30:28 CST From: Message-Id: <94353.133028U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-370 fix SC9131X still work? Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi -- I've got Unix C-Kermits and MS-Kermit dialing up to MVS/ESA mainframes through a Renex TMS-4 protocol converter. I put on SC9131X as a local update to Kermit- 370 to get rid of the "IKT....Screen erasure caused by..." message, setting &CONOPTS to 'STCNOS1' to force graphics controller (as recommended by the beware file and ik0aaa). I still get the message (yeah, I checked the PROCLIB and everything). Can anyone help me out? Many thanks...Nick G. +------------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | "I would have preferred that | Nick Geovanis U54294@uicvm.uic.edu | | you smell of garlic." | Consultant | | Emperor Vespasian, | Technical Support Group, Inc. | | demoting a perfumed | 360 N. Michigan Ave, Suite 1005 | | officer, c. 70 AD. | Chicago, IL. 60601 Tel: 312-704-5100 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 19:38:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:38:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:38:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:38:03 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 18 Distribution: or Message-Id: <3df8ur$uj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba-cddi.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia University. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to John Miller : |Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup |article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining |than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results |on the net. In my particular setup (dialup to Unix server at Columbia University), even with long packets enabled, etc., DSZ has a speed edge over MS-Kermit. However, Kermit is totally free. Moreover, Frank's crew writes documentation 1000% better than Mr. Forsberg--the DSZ docs (and command parameter interface) is as obscure and unintentionally hilarious as can get. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on my juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica routine . . . From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 19:55:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:55:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 14:55:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 23 Dec 1994 19:55:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3df9vk$bp4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu>, Hand Made in America wrote: >C-Kermit on the university end. PC (old Compaq 386/16) running ProComm >Plus, which includes something called "Super Kermit," on my off-campus >end. The modem is a Best Data Products "Smart One" 1442F internal Hayes >clone faxmodem. > >Both ends are set for 19200 baud, and that lie makes the theoretical >throughput at 14400 baud about 73% efficient. I'm transferring compressed >binary files (*.exe, *.zip, &c.) from my campus home directory on a >lightly loaded machine to my PC hard disk, over a quiet phone line (0 >packets resent). > >Why am I getting only between 20% (with my modem compression enabled) and >30% (disabled) efficiency. I do understand why my efficiency improves >when I don't try to compress a compressed file -- I don't understand why >it is so low overall. > >The STATISTICS command shows that I'm passing back a 90-byte packet for >each one I receive. Is this the fastest way to do Kermit? > >Given the primativeness of the "Super Kermit" on my end, what can anyone >suggest to increase efficiency? > (a) Use MS-DOS Kermit instead of Procomm; (b) Adjust the window size, packet size, and other parameters to achieve maximum efficiency. This kind of question is posted every couple days, and rather than repost the detailed answer each time, I've stored it on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode, faq.txt. Please read it. I have seen certain newsgroups that seem to have a permanent greeting message. If I knew how to accomplish this, I could post pointers to FAQs, etc, so everybody would see them when first accessing this group. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 00:29:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 19:45:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 19:45:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.duke.edu!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 24 Dec 1994 00:29:59 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tryon.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Bowden (isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu) wrote: ==> handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) wrote: ==> [stuff deleted (by both of us!)] ==> Use longer packets. [ . . . ] ==> The default packet length is 94. Change it to 1024. My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit the file PCPLUS.PRM to get it to 255. I can edit a two-byte value (1024 = 0400h), but PC+ only looks at the low byte (apparently) when actually negotiating the link. ==> At the university end, edit your .kermrc file so that ==> it includes the lines: ==> set send packet-length 1024 ..... I set 255 ==> set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255 ==> set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much? C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! Does anyone know about such strangeness? Now my efficiency is up to 71% which is close to the theoretical ratio of 14400/19200 = 75%. ==> Hope this helps. It *sure*does*!!! Sent me in the right direction. Thanks, Tom and all. -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 23 15:23:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:48:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 23 Dec 1994 23:48:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 Ready for Testing Message-Id: <1994Dec23.212306.35982@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Dec 94 21:23:06 MDT References: <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dcsge$num@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-16 is available for anonymous ftp from > kermit.columbia.edu as of Thu Dec 22, 1994, 16:47:31 Eastern USA time: ---------- Just to forstall questions, this beta has one known problem: saying Kermit -f may fail if the filename lacks a full path. It's fixed at my place already, but rather than issuing a new beta after a day we felt it better to use these few remaining days to discover any last bugs. Please, if you find them report them immediately so we can make the formal release ASAP. Don't depend on NEWS to be speedy; try my personal address, jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. 24 ..... I set 255 > ==> set receive packet-length 1024 .. 255 > ==> set window 3 .................... 31 -- too much? > > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! Does anyone know > about such strangeness? Oh, that's a signature of running over many PPP and some SLIP links, but nothing to do with C Kermit itself. You can SET SEND (or RECEIVE) PACKET at the C Kermit prompt if necessary to overcome any system defaults the guys have created. The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end is a good one. About four window slots of 1-2KB packets is plenty on a local link. No binary editing hackery required. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 17:51:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:52:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:52:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!cliff From: cliff@shell.portal.com (Seeker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Window resizes in OS/2 Date: 24 Dec 1994 17:51:05 GMT Organization: Portal Communications Company -- 408/973-9111 (voice) 408/973-8091 (data) Lines: 31 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell> Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window. When I connect to VMS, I execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window: $ set term/pag=32/wid=80 I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing directly. This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a simple script to automate it. In the script I have the following two lines: output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13 in 5 $ Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80 with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen. I can reproduce the problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line. I can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying to have to do so. Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output command, no resizing occurs. Is it supposed to work this way? Cliff@shell.poratl.com -- I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch-- | Clifford L. Pelletier I said it in Latin and Greek: | cliff@shell.portal.com But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) | that English is what you speak! --L. Carroll | From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 18:05:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 13:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 13:05:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Window resizes in OS/2 Date: 24 Dec 1994 18:05:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3dhntp$svt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dhn29$b2u@news1.shell>, Seeker wrote: >I run OS/2 ckermit(190) in a 33x80 window. When I connect to VMS, I >execute the following command to get VMS to recognize the larger window: > >$ set term/pag=32/wid=80 > >I include the width since the width is sometimes improperly set to 132 >when I access VMS from a Unix box via telnet rather than dialing >directly. This works fine when entered manually, so I decided to write a >simple script to automate it. In the script I have the following two >lines: > >output set term/pag=32/wid=80\13 >in 5 $ > >Whenever I execute these two lines, the OS/2 window is resized to 25x80 >with VMS now believing I have a 32x80 screen. I can reproduce the >problem by executing those two lines directly from the command line. I >can fix the window by adding a "!mode 80,33" command, but it is annoying >to have to do so. Interestingly, if I omit the "/wid=80" in the output >command, no resizing occurs. Is it supposed to work this way? > I am not totally sure this is the answer, but... In version 5A(190) and earlier, the same screen size is used by both the C-Kermit command parser and the terminal emulation window (in future releases, the sizes will be independent). When the command parser is active, so is the ANSI console driver. I suspect that when you tell VMS to: set term/pag=32/wid=80 this causes VMS to send an escape sequence to the terminal. You can confirm this via LOG SESSION or by putting C-Kermit's terminal emulator in debug mode (with Alt-d). If you have SET INPUT ECHO ON in C-Kermit, then your INPUT command: in 5 $ will read characters sent by the host and echo them to the screen, i.e. to the ANSI console driver. This means that any escape sequences sent by the host are likely to have unexpected effects since ANSI != VTxxx. In this case, the console driver evidently recognized what it though was a video- mode change command, and so changed its video mode, which affects both the command screen and the terminal screen. Solution: Tell C-Kermit to SET INPUT ECHO OFF. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 02:24:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 24 Dec 1994 16:18:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC LAT multisession capabilities? Message-Id: <1994Dec21.082425.35841@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Dec 94 08:24:25 MDT References: <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk>, gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa) writes: > Subject sums it up really... > > Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does > anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package? ---------- MS-DOS Kermit supports only one LAT session at a time. It's a bunch of work and memory to support multiple LAT sessions, and so far there has been no demand for that capability. Only the internal Telnet stack supports multiple sessions at this time, and later we hope to add some other comms channels to the session manager. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 07:30:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:45:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:45:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!balsam!handmade From: handmade@cs.unca.edu (Hand Made in America) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 25 Dec 1994 07:30:39 GMT Organization: University of North Carolina at Asheville Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3delhj$8e9@sphinx.Gsu.EDU> <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Dec23.211814.35981@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: brevard.cs.unca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote: ==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94" ==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports 286 byte packet-length. Do I talk to my local admin? ==> The suggestion to at least try MS-DOS Kermit on the PC end . . . so maybe I can get a PCKermit to set up as an EXTERNal protocol with the hooks provided with ProComm+ ? Thanks for all the hints! -- /s/ -=Chris=- Christopher Karl Johansen HandMade in America vox: 704.252.0121 67 N. Market St. (NC 28801) opinions: mine! fax: 704.252.0388 Post Office Box 2089 facts: everyone's. net: handmade@unca.edu Asheville, NC 28802-2089 From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 04:03:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:40:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 05:40:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!netcomsv!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Re: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit. Message-Id: <1994Dec25.040321.22507@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net References: <3d455r$1fd8@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 04:03:21 GMT Lines: 71 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) says: >I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), >but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal. >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > Brian Degregorio > > >***************************************************************************** >** Brian Degregorio ** >** 3504 11th ave N apt #16 ** >** Grand Forks, ND 58203 ** >** Email: degregor@aero.cas.und.nodak.edu ** >** Phone: 701-772-7856 or if busy 701-795-8620 ** >Captain Penny's Law: > You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of > the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. >***************************************************************************** > I use DSZ, but GSZ should work the same way. Just make the appropriate name change to the following macros. I've forgotten which one of the DOCUMENTATION files I found this in, but by adding the following macros to my MSCUSTOM.INI file I can call DSZ as an external protocol from MSKermit. > ; Macros for transferring files via DSZ (Zmodem) ... > ; > define rz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G rz -r > define sz run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 > define t run dsz est 0 9600 F ha on port 1 G t -r DSZ is installed in a directory in my path. I use Kermit's terminal emulation for everything up to the point where I issue the: sz [filespec] command on the remote system command line. I then use [Alt + X] to return to the local Kermit command line, where I use: do rz to initiate the Kermit "rz" macro defined above. This starts DSZ in the receive mode, which initiates the file transfer via Zmodem. When the transfer is complete, DSZ exits and returns to the Kermit command line. I can then "connect" again to get back to the remote command line. The: est 0 9600 passed to DSZ is supposed to cause the estimated transfer time to reflect the correct 9600 baud rate of my V.32 modem, even though I use a DCE/DTE rate of 19,200. This doesn't seem to work right, but I haven't yet tried to determine why not. Also the "G" is supposed to be necessary to enable the serial port, since when you run an external command, kermit is supposed to shut off the serial port. It seems to work, so I haven't investigated if it is really needed. Using "rz" on the remote system and "do sz" from the local kermit command line initiates Zmodem "up-loads" in place of downloads. The "t" macro is a special version of the download protocol, which I haven't used yet. It is supposed to allow more automatic downloads to be performed. I'm sure more automation could be included in the macros, but these work quite well manually. Maybe someone else had improved on these macro's. With MSKermit as the main comm. program and DSZ as an external protocol, I have two of the most popular and reliable protocols available in an inexpensive package. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 14:34:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:34:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 09:34:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Improve 20% efficient Kermit xfers? Date: 25 Dec 1994 14:34:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3djvu9$s2m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dds2v$k4p@balsam.unca.edu> <3dfq27$jn8@balsam.unca.edu> <1994Dec23.211814.35981@cc.usu.edu> <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dj72v$b1e@balsam.unca.edu>, Hand Made in America wrote: >Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) and I wrote: >==> > My PC+ *max* length settable from the menu is 94!!! I have to hexedit >... >i.e., my ProComm+ menu says "type a value between 20 and 94" > We can't be responsible for the restrictions of Procomm. MS-DOS Kermit lets you choose any packet length up to the theoritical maximum of 9024. >==> > C-Kermit seems limited to 286 bytes at my u. site! >... >i.e., if I put a larger value in .kermrc, transfer a file, STAT reports >286 byte packet-length. Do I talk to my local admin? > The packet length is determined by the file receiver. In other words, the receiver gives the sender permission to send packets UP TO the given length; the sender can choose to send less, but not more. A real Kermit program will normally use the length that you tell it. If you were using MS-DOS Kermit, the command would be: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 or whatever. Evidently your version of Procomm does not want to receive long packets, no matter how you "hexedit" your Procomm configuration. Maybe that's why it does not have a "command" or setting for this. Give the same command to C-Kermit when uploading. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190) and, like MS-DOS Kermit 3.xx, it is a full implementation of the protocol: long packets, sliding windows, compression, locking shifts, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 24 12:47:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:31:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 18:31:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 18 Dec 94 19:24:47 MDT Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University References: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec18.192447.35700@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 1994 12:47:12 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the Joe and Frank's replies to my previous posting: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT). After the hints, I find out that using the following terminal setting, I can view Chinese in Big5 code when runing MSKERMIT in a Chinese DOS system. set parity none set term bytesize 8 set terminal character transparent Ching-Mo >>>>> "Joe" == Joe Doupnik writes: Joe> ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit Joe> command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit Joe> terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY Joe> {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as Joe> above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus Joe> file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same Joe> command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting. Joe D. >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> MS-DOS Kermit does not explicitly support Chinese Frank> characters, but it does support Japanese Kanji. Depending Frank> on the PC and host encodings for Chinese, maybe the Frank> Japanese Kanji support might work for Chinese too. The Frank> Japanese Kanji support in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 assumes Code Frank> Page 982 ("Shift-JIS") on the PC, and different variations Frank> of JIS X 0208 on the host. JIS X 0208 is similar to Frank> Chinese CAS GB 2312-80. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 02:08:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:08:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:08:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed in slip setup! Date: 26 Dec 1994 02:08:44 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? Thank you in advance Carlos ps. happy new year! From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 18:24:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:15:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 21:15:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing Date: Sun, 25 Dec 1994 11:24:56 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Signature: YES/286! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.11.B1218 - Freeware! X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a test From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 25 14:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 22:48:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 25 Dec 1994 22:48:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed in slip setup! Message-Id: <1994Dec25.203048.36009@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Dec 94 20:30:48 MDT References: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using > slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. > Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using > kermit with slip for dos. I currently and doing with a work around which is > using ncsa telnet which was easy to setup. > On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? > Thank you in advance -------------- De-scoping the question: what did you do, and what happened? Something to keep in mind with SLIP is there is only one "other end" of the wire and that remote end's IP number is the gateway off the wire, and consequently your PC and that other end are on the same IP network number (host parts differ but not the network parts of the IP addresses). I suggest you do a quick double check with your local IP responsible people about IP numbers and subnet masks etc to verify that you are using the correct values for your environment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 09:50:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 04:51:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 04:51:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!primenet.com!not-for-mail From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Primenet Message-Id: <-uZR$kuqcZ7WI075yn@primenet.com> Control: cancel Subject: cmsg cancel Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 09:50:50 GMT Approved: news@primenet.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 17:19:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:19:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 12:19:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed in slip setup! Date: 26 Dec 1994 17:19:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3dmtvl$l5k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1994Dec25.203048.36009@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dl8jc$54f@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > Hello everyone after various attempts to setup config files for using > slip especially with dns I have given up and decide to ask assistance. > Thus can someone be so kind as to mail be a sample config files for using > kermit with slip for dos. > Did you read the instructions? This is from the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta ZIP file: MAKING SLIP CONNECTIONS To make a SLIP (Serial Line IP) connection, follow these steps: 1. SET PORT 1 (or whichever serial port you will be using for the SLIP connection). 2. SET SPEED 19200 (or whatever speed you will be using) 3. SET FLOW RTS/CTS (or NONE) Don't use Xon/Xoff flow control on a SLIP connection! SLIP and Xon/Xoff are incompatible with each other. 4. Establish a connection to the terminal server or other device that will be providing SLIP service. Determine the IP address and other information (e.g. gateway address) that it has assigned to you. Normally, these are displayed on your screen before the terminal server enters SLIP mode. 5. Escape back to the MS-Kermit prompt and EXIT from MS-DOS Kermit. The connection is left open. 6. Start the SLIP8250 driver, telling it to use the same port (hex address and IRQ number must be supplied) and speed (decimal) used in (1) and (2) above, and to use hardware flow control (-h), for example: slip8250 0x60 -h slip 4 0x3f8 19200 7. Start MS-DOS Kermit again. Do NOT give it a SET PORT command for the serial port where SLIP is running. Instead, give the SET TCP ADDRESS, SET TCP GATEWAY, and other necessary SET TCP commands. Then, to make a connection, use SET PORT TCP
, where
is the IP hostname or address of the IP host you want to connect to. Note: Even though you might think it's silly to exit from Kermit and then start it again, when you could simply start the SLIP driver from the Kermit prompt, there is a reason: starting a driver from inside an application results in memory fragmentation. Note 2: In version 3.13 and later, it is also possible to obtain BOOTP service on a SLIP connection if your SLIP server is configured to provide it (for example, Cisco terminal servers can do this). Also, MS-DOS Kermit's SHOW COMMUNICATIONS command will display the IP address of the BOOTP server. > On a side note I have beta 13 of kermit what new since then? > Of interest to you would be an improvement in the efficiency of SLIP service, which came in Beta 16 (the current Beta). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 18:18:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 14:00:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 14:00:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: How to suspend or halt OS/2 Ckermit Message-Id: <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Mon, 26 Dec 1994 18:18:28 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my program says that the port is in use. If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I want the connection to remain open. Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting ckermit just kills the connection. Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed running external programs that access the port with the run command but it appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit. Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 26 22:01:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 17:01:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 26 Dec 1994 17:01:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to suspend or halt OS/2 Ckermit Date: 26 Dec 1994 22:01:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3dnefc$40v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec26.181828.13664@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to halt or suspend OS/2 ckermit, like you can do unix to run >another program to access the com port. I tried the run command but my >program says that the port is in use. OS/2 C-Kermit locks the port when it is in use so that other applications cannot interfere with it. >If I quite ckermit it drops the connection and this is not what I want. I >want the connection to remain open. Correct. OS/2 doesn't allow files to remain open past the end of an application. It automatically closes all open files. >Anyway to tell ckermit to give up the port. Note I'm trying to make a slip >connection to local server with TIA, after logging in with ckermit. Slip >says the comm port is still in use if I use the run command. Exiting >ckermit just kills the connection. In the next version of C-Kermit for OS/2 [5A(191)], there is now SLIPTERM support which allows C-Kermit to grab control of the COM port from the SLIP driver. This way you can start a slip session, and use C-Kermit as your terminal emulation and scripting package. >Any ideals. I did look in the ckermit book and no tips there. It discussed >running external programs that access the port with the run command but it >appears that the program has to be written to work with ckermit. The program needs to be written so that it can accept a file handle instead of a port name. This way the program can be started as a child process of C-Kermit and inherit the open comm port. >Thanks, > >Helen > If you are interested in joining the test group for OS/2 C-Kermit, send me mail directly. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 27 20:24:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:42:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 27 Dec 1994 15:42:38 -0500 Newsgroups: pdx.computing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem showdown results? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu> Distribution: or Date: Tue, 27 Dec 1994 20:24:32 GMT Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d4olb$hju@sun.lclark.edu>, John Miller wrote: >Awhile back Chuck Forsberg announced such a showdown, and I saw a followup >article in the Oregonian. The Oregonian's article was more entertaining >than informative, and Forsberg did not seem to publish any hard results >on the net. Chuck does have a gift for generating publicity, doesn't he? ;-) Unfortunately, I've never seen a `showdown' that produced any really useful information. As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned lies, and statistics. If you read between the lines of the glossy graphs and charts used to support the `my protocol is better than yours' wars, you can get some real laughs. For example, one chart I saw proclaimed one protocol `best' due to an advantage over a competitor of only .3%! Another chose a very particular file that had certain properties that caused it to transfer unusually quickly under one particular protocol (but not a competitor's, of course). Both of these comparisons were done by generally well-respected individuals. >Anyone have any comparative results between latest versions of these packages? >We are running the latest kermit on a DEC Alpha, but have the older versions >of sz, etc. Latest versions of which packages? I've seen 10-20 percent variations in speed between different implementations of the same protocol on the same equipment transferring the same file. (In one case, a data scope was used to verify that the implementations were functioning identically. Apparently, one was just 10% less efficient at managing the serial and disk I/O on that hardware.) If that kind of difference is important to you, then simply specifying which _protocol_ to compare is pointless. My two cents: Kermit and ZModem are sufficiently close in speed (given good implementations of each) that ease of use and reliability are THE most important issues. Speed is no longer a major consideration. If you want faster transfers, buy a faster modem and a faster computer. Still not fast enough? Rent a T1 line. In fact, I regularly use a protocol that's much slower than either Kermit or ZModem simply because I have an implementation that's extremely easy to use. The minutes I save not having to remember which settings to fiddle more than make up for the seconds of extra transfer time. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 05:58:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:12:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 01:12:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!lachman From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) Subject: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)? Message-Id: Organization: Netcom, Silicon Valley Distribution: na Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 05:58:13 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT. I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs. I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set port tcp", then "connect", and I got: Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. ?Cannot start the connection. Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver". "Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it") by default. Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what. I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in. Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT? Hans Lachman "You are lost in a maze of twisty little passages, all alike." From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:35:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:43:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!news.cs.indiana.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!extra.cc.purdue.edu!cjdc From: cjdc@extra.cc.purdue.edu (Chris Christian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: scripting in kermit Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:35:19 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: extra.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time, however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts? Chris -- PGP PUBLIC KEY available upon request From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:44:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:44:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:44:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on WindowsNT (using TCP)? Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:44:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ds150$drn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Hans Lachman wrote: >I'm trying to use Kermit in TCP/IP mode on a PC running WindowsNT. >I got MSVIBM.ZIP (MS-Kermit 3.13) and unpacked it, and it runs. >I did "set tcp host" (followed by remote host address), "set >port tcp", then "connect", and I got: > > Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver. > Unable to initialize TCP/IP system, quitting. > ?Cannot start the connection. > >Just to eliminate obvious problems, I then tried setting appropriate >values for "address", "domain", "gateway", and "primary-nameserver". >"Packet-driver-interrupt" is set to 0 (meaning "search for it") >by default. Anyway, I get the same error message no matter what. > >I was hoping this would work, since NT comes with TCP/IP built in. >Anyone know of a tweak that can make Kermit run using TCP on NT? > No. MS-DOS Kermit is not a native NT application and can't use NT's TCP/IP protocol. Kermit executes its own built-in TCP/IP protocol code, which runs on top of either a packet driver or an ODI driver. I don't know enough about NT to say whether it is possible to run a "DOS virtual machine" under NT which includes a packet driver or ODI driver for your network board (this is possible under OS/2), but if so, then you make TCP/IP connections with MS-DOS Kermit this way, but it would probably require shutting down TCP/IP on NT. In the future, we hope to have a native TCP/IP-capable Kermit version for NT, but I can't give an estimate yet as to when it might be ready. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 15:52:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:52:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 10:52:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: scripting in kermit Date: 28 Dec 1994 15:52:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ds1jj$eab@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ds0jn$pnl@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Chris Christian wrote: >I'd like to write a script to login from a remote unix box without >net access via a phone line to an account with internet access all >with the script. The end result would be to download mail, files, etc >all with a one or two line command, and let it run for the desired time, > All of this is quite possible. >however, the problem Ihave is, all the documentation says kermit >scripts can be run, but nowhere have I seen any examples, documentation >on scripting in kermit, etc. Would people either be able to let me >have a copy of a similar script, or point me in the proper direction >when I can pick up some FREE information on how to write kermit scripts? > Why does it have to be free? The Kermit effort is entirely self supporting, depending on income from software distribution fees (dwindling in this era of burgeoning Internet access) and book sales for its continued existence. Since we have gone to the trouble of writing and publishing manuals that document the script programming language clearly and with numerous examples, why not simply "hit the books"? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 14:38:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 12:02:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 12:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!kgb!kevin.barkes From: kevin.barkes@kgb.com (Kevin Barkes) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit / xyz modem sh Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 14:38:35 GMT Message-Id: <941228104235598@kgb.com> Organization: Kevin G. Barkes Consulting Services (SYS$OUTPUT BBS 412-854-0511) Distribution: world Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -> As Mark Twain said: there's lies, damned -> lies, and statistics. Actually, Benjamin Disraeli said that. Regards, KGB * Kevin G. Barkes * Kevin G. Barkes Consulting Services * kgb@kgb.com * * SYS$OUTPUT BBS: 412-854-0511 * Voice: 412-854-2550 * Fax: 412-854-4707 * * 1512 Annette Avenue . Library, Pennsylvania, USA 15129-9735 * * OpenVMS Editor, DEC Professional Magazine * * Member, Editorial Review Board, Digital Systems Journal * From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 20:40:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:48:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01464 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:48:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!dgis.dtic.dla.mil!! () From: () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary Uploads going through a comm server Date: 28 Dec 1994 20:40:14 GMT Organization: Defense Technical Information Center (DTIC), Alexandria, VA Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: sys_736.dtic.dla.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E C-Kermit. The same file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set for binary). Martin B. Isaksen misaksen@asc.dtic.dla.mil From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 21:00:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:00:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:00:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary Uploads going through a comm server Date: 28 Dec 1994 21:00:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3dsjku$238@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dsife$ekq@dgis.dtic.dla.mil>, wrote: >I cannot upload binary files through a Penril communications server using 4E >C-Kermit. The same file can be uploaded when I use a port on the back of my >SUN (SUN OS 4.1.3) machine directly -- but when I try to go through the comm >server it does not work. Does anybody have any clues???? (file type is set >for binary). > It probably does not affect this problem, but the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). The most common reason for failed uploads is inadequate buffer capacity on the receiving end, probably the Penril device in this case, coupled with the lack of an effective means of flow control. Solution: reconfigure the communications server to have big buffers in the receiving direction as well as in the sending direction, and enable the most effective possible means of flow control (preferably RTS/CTS) between this device and the one it is most immediately connected to (presumably a modem). Same deal on the calling end. If the Penril and/or modem are unfixable, then use end-to-end Xon/Xoff flow control, which is less satisfactory as it is subject to latency and loss, and reduce Kermit's packet size until transfers start to work. If that's not it, then maybe we have a transparency problem, but let's try this approach first. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 16:20:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:20:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 16:20:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!info-server.bbn.com!news.bbn.com!clj From: clj@bbn.com (Chris Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: META key in MSKermit Date: 28 Dec 94 16:14:03 Organization: Bolt, Beranek and Newman Inc. Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: unicorn.bbn.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key, and I haven't found it. I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do. A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character. My fingers are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is frustrating. I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything. Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 22:00:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:05:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:05:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 15:00:28 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 13 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi fellow Kermitters, I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of working at all . The person has to enter kermit and start receiving, then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong? Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos acting different, or should it not be??? Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 22:17:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27430 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:18:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 17:18:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Increasing file transfer through put Date: 28 Dec 1994 22:17:03 GMT Organization: Incredible Employees Assoc. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4 modem. Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought that there was some optimum window size and number. Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way over kill but optimum in all cases? Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial and error? Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data. I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine. thanks -- Kendall Shaw "!" (415)364-1343 -- me kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:05:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:05:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:05:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: META key in MSKermit Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:05:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3dsuh1$bn1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Jones wrote: >I've been looking for an easy way to use my PC's ALT key as a Unix META key, >and I haven't found it. I own, and have looked through, the MSDOS Kermit >book, as well as the documentation that I got from Columbia when I downloaded >MSKermit 3.13, but I haven't seen an easy way to accomplish what I want to do. > >A META key is a shift key which sets the 8th bit of a character. My fingers >are so trained by this time that trying to use Emacs without one is >frustrating. I know how to tell Unix that my terminal has the capability, and >I can get Kermit to send 8 bit characters, but it looks like I'm going to have >to do 128 "set key"s to teach Kermit what I mean when I type ALT-anything. >Have I missed something, or is this the prescribed solution? > I agree it would be nice to be able to assign arbitrary modifier functions (like Meta) to arbitrary keys (like Alt), but MS-DOS Kermit presently lacks this capability. But no, you don't have to write 128 SET KEYs because we've already done it for you in the EMACS.INI file that comes with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit, currently in Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Look in KEYBOARD subdirectory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:12:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:12:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:12:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:12:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: >I have a situation where both people are running kermit 3.14 beta 16. One >persion starts the transfer on his/her side and the other decides not to >transfer the file. A series of control-c's are sent with no prevail of >working at all . The person has to enter kermit and start receiving, >then cancel using C, why? Are we doing something wrong? > No. >Now, ckermit 190 does cancel with a series of control-c's. Why is msdos >acting different, or should it not be??? > It isn't acting different. A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is the "called" one. The distinction is important because of what happens with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" IS the communication channel. When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the local user to get it back to command mode "by hand". C-Kermit lets you do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is in remote mode. If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands. Well, you get the idea. In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are in local mode. Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters. Which is as it should be, since oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when there was a lot of noise on the line, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 00:26:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:26:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:26:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Increasing file transfer through put Date: 29 Dec 1994 00:26:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <3dsvnt$crh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kendall thomason shaw wrote: >Transfering uncompressed text I get about 2800cps over my 14.4 >modem. Transferring zipped files I get about 1200cps. This seems to be >roughly the same for window sizes above 1000. At one point I thought >that there was some optimum window size and number. > If there was, we would make it the default for everybody. >Now I'm not sure. Why wouldn't 31 windows of 9024 bytes each be way >over kill but optimum in all cases? > Because this can cause buffer overflows, network packet loss, etc. EVERY CONNECTION IS DIFFERENT! Even the same connection can be different from one moment to the next. >Is there a formula or a procedure for determining this other than trial >and error? > There is no formula. Each connection, each kind of box, each piece of wire, each kind of computer, each kind of modem, each operating system, each version of each of the preceding, etc etc, has its own peculiar characteristics. Bigger is not always better -- the curve tends to be bell-shaped, but on each connection the bell is a different shape. The best way to get your throughput up is probably to crank the window and packet sizes back down to conservative levels, say 4x1000 or so, and then read about control-character unprefixing in the documentation for the recent Kermit releases. That should get your ZIP file transfers over V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connections up to about 1600 cps. >Also is there a way to take better advantage of V42 in my modem. Better >in the sense of increasing throughput of correct data. > V.42 is an error-correction protocol. It has little direct bearing on throughput -- you sort of have to view it as a block box. Whatever comes in one end is more-or-less-sort-of guaranteed to come out the other end, but it might take longer than you expect (due to retransmissions, retaining, etc, between the two modems). You probably mean V.42bis, which is a data compression protocol that rides over V.42 (or other reliable link layer). You are wondering: If my data file is already compressed, then aren't I making my modem work harder -- and therefore slowing it down -- if I ask it to compress the uncompressible? The answer is yes, but probably not very much -- probably less than 1%. Not enough to make it worth the time it takes for you to turn the feature off and on. Ditto for Kermit's own compression. Measurements show no significant difference in throughput with these features turned on and turned off. >I'm basicly content but just thought I'd ask. My computer is a 486-33 >and I dial into a rather speedy Sun4m architecture machine. > How? Through a terminal server? You also might need to take a look at the terminal server's configuration. Make sure it has bidirectional RTS/CTS flow control enabled between itself and the modem. Turn off its Xon/Xoff flow control and all other kinds of per-character processing; some terminal servers have a command for this, such as Cisco's "terminal download". By the same token, make sure you have RTS/CTS flow control enabled between your PC and the modem is directly connected to. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 02:31:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:40:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 21:40:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 19:31:54 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 45 Message-Id: References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local > Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is > the "called" one. So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which would be the remote then? > The distinction is important because of what happens > with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, > a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the > communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" > IS the communication channel. OK, sounds fine. I can see how that would make much since, but then the user can not cancel unless sitting at the hostterminal, right??? > When the remote Kermit is in packet mode, there needs to be a way for the > local user to get it back to command mode "by hand". C-Kermit lets you > do this by typing three consecutive Ctrl-C characters, but only when it is > in remote mode. If it is in local mode, then it has thrown a file transfer > display up on the screen and is sampling the keyboard for special commands. Ok, how do you insure that the control-c's will work like c-kermit (remote mode)? > Well, you get the idea. In the case you describe, BOTH Kermit programs are > in local mode. Neither one is in remote mode, and so neither one is > sensitive to "bare" Control-C characters. Which is as it should be, since > oversensitivity in this area could cause unwanted transfer failures when > there was a lot of noise on the line, etc. > Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate this to another person. > - Frank Jeff Bishop From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 28 14:35:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 22:49:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 28 Dec 1994 22:49:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Message-Id: <1994Dec28.203557.36129@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Dec 94 20:35:56 MDT References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > In article <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >> A Kermit program can be in either "remote mode" or "local mode". The Local >> Kermit is the one that initiated the connection, and the remote one is >> the "called" one. > > So let us assume you were on a bbs and initiated a kermit transfer. Which > would be the remote then? Your PC is in local mode. The BBS owner very definitely does NOT want you to break protocol mode and change states to something unknown. >> The distinction is important because of what happens >> with the keyboard and the screen during file transfer. When in local mode, >> a Kermit program has access to the keyboard and screen IN ADDITION TO the >> communication channel, whereis in remote mode, the "keyboard and screen" >> IS the communication channel > Let us assume I was on a BBS and initiaed a download of a file using kermit > (all running msdos kermit, not ckermit). I just relized that I have the file > already and do not need to download the file. Now, how do I cancel the > sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? > > Sorry if this is not clear, just trying to understand so I can communicate > this to another person. Sure. READ THE SCREEN, if you are visually able to do so. Or get a friend to speak it. On the status line of the MS-DOS Kermit file transfer display screen, and discussed in the user's manual, is a legend explaining which keys to press to do a formal (nice, clean) protocol termination of just this file (X) or all files in this operation (Z) or stop the world abruptly (C) or more gently (E). Try it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 07:35:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 02:51:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 02:51:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Commodore C128 and Kermit Date: 29 Dec 1994 07:35:17 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3dtorl$13f@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in recommendations from C128 users as to which version of Kermit they find best. 1. CP/M Z80 Kermit 2. C64 Kermit 3. C128 Kermit 4. CKermit (Yes there is UNIX for the C128) From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 12:53:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 08:03:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 08:03:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!nntp0.brunel.ac.uk!usenet From: cspgrgr@brunel.ac.uk (R Ghosh-Roy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit / SLIP / PPP Date: 29 Dec 1994 12:53:21 GMT Organization: Brunel University, Uxbridge, UK Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3dubg1$7gm@izar.brunel.ac.uk> Reply-To: cspgrgr@brunel.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: saturn.brunel.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu May be its a naive question but I would like to know which of the following three is best for my PCs talking to a SUN? 1. Kermit (whatever the latest version is) 2. SLIP 3. PPP 4. other Thanks, Rana PS: In future, I would also like to run X applications on my PC. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 29 15:19:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:33:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 29 Dec 1994 10:33:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COM3/COM4 Date: 29 Dec 1994 15:19:23 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3duk1r$j5a@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Keywords: thanks Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to end 1994 by complimenting Frank da Cruze and Joe Doupnik for the section on COM3/COM4 support in the MS-Kermit kermit.bwr file. It is the clearest, most cogent statement about an incredibly difficult subject that I have yet encountered. When I had the occasion to add COM3/COM4 support to some software I freely distribute (a blood glucose testing meter interface) I included kermit.bwr and recommended that prospective COM3/COM4 users of my software read it. Thanks, guys! Vic Abell From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 30 19:16:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:16:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 14:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 Ready for Testing Date: 30 Dec 1994 19:16:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3e1m9j$f1q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-17 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Fri Dec 30, 1994, 16:20 Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-16 include: . Fix command-line "-f filename" and related items. . More refinements to TCP/IP internals to better balance performance against impact on network, and to improve performance of SLIP and long-haul TCP/IP connections. . Allow passing of null strings to macros as {}. . Add Microcom QX/4232hs dialing script from Kevin Brott. . Fix \v(cps) to be usable as a variable in commands. . Add CPxxx.F08 fonts for use with longer screens. . Fix Hankaku-Katakana input (needed for Nikkei Telecom database). . Add documentation for Chinese to KERMIT.UPD. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 30 21:33:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:33:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 16:33:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 30 Dec 1994 13:33:19 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com> References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: > >sending end without loading kermit since kerlite is being used? > Uh, what's "Kerlite"? -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 04:30:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:41:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 30 Dec 1994 23:41:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 31 Dec 1994 04:30:47 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan. I have bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though). Anyway the minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for OS/2 for quite awhile now. Appearently, the modem I was using raised the carrier signal because it worked just fine. I just bought a new US Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier on' doesn't do it. I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on, but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232 communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! If kermit wants to look for the presence of a DCE device, it should look at Data Set Ready (DSR), not a signal which shouldn't be present until connection. Any comments from anyone? BTW - I am sending this message by flipping to a DOS window and dialing out using MSKERMIT 3.01. This kermit doesn't get hung up on carrier :-) (excuse the pun). From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 13:47:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:01:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17156 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:01:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!oconnort From: oconnort@acf2.nyu.edu (Tim O'Connor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 31 Dec 1994 13:47:59 GMT Organization: New York University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3e3nef$ld2@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: acf2.nyu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Foley (mfoley@infinet.com) wrote: > Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or > something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. Try "set carrier off" in your ckermod.ini file, in the OS/2 section. Worked great for me! --tim o'connor From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 14:26:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:27:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 09:27:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!pasteur.fr!pasteur.fr!not-for-mail From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where's the last version ? Date: 31 Dec 1994 15:26:58 +0100 Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris, France Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: mendel.sis.pasteur.fr Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ? I gave a look at a lot of README files on columbia.edu and they are all talking of Mac version but apparently none is anymore available there. Thank you for your help. -- dan ``Et pourtant ga tourne....'' From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 08:46:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:07:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 15:07:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Sat, 31 Dec 1994 13:46:06 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17 Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens ---------- for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"): IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994. Type ? or HELP for help Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI... Installing patches... Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch. --------------------------------------------- This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI... ... From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 09:10:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 17:25:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 17:25:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta 15 thru 17 Message-Id: <1994Dec31.151033.36262@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Dec 94 15:10:33 MDT References: <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94365.134606HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, H. D. Knoble writes: > After installing the mstibm.zip file to a DOS subdirectory (and children > subdirectories), changing to that subdirectory, and issuing: KERMIT > the following displays (questionable message underlined below; this happens > ---------- > for all three MS-Kermit .exe files, and the MSR314 PATCH files, while having > only comments in them, do not seem to have a "version mismatch"): > > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14/Beta-17 29 Dec 1994 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1994. > Type ? or HELP for help > Executing D:\NEWKERM\MSKERMIT.INI... > Installing patches... > > Ignoring patch file. Version number mismatch. > --------------------------------------------- > > This is a dummy patch file for use only with the beta test > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\NEWKERM\MSCUSTOM.INI... ------------- Just ignore the message. Betas change, preparing a legit Patch file is a lot of work, specific to that particular .exe file, and I'd rather spend time on other matters until we release the product. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 01:46:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 20:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 20:45:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!taylorj From: taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfers are too slow Date: 1 Jan 1995 01:46:42 GMT Organization: California State University, Sacramento Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gaia.ecs.csus.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo.... Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...). This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit. I used to be able to change the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just refuses to work at all. Yaaay Kermit! I switched out of desperation, but I am now a convert. Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window setting than 1. The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of [maxwin]". Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and one more window. Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the whole cycle. With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32, when it cycles back to one again. Some other misc. info: - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results. The Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think. - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... - I use doublespace with a large disk cache. Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad it's out there. A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other common protocols do. I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice touch. Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to those who have EC modems. I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked. Any help is appreciated. -Jon From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 03:22:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 22:34:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 22:34:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 03:22:16 GMT Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS 16550. \|^) After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2' Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'. If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550. I don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini). If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400. With very little tuning, I transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. So why am I using this bandwidth? 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial command to actually dialing the number. It frequently takes so long to return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops before I can get the remote's attention. "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a crude work-around. 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to remote takes a *long* time. 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in between. I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & looses interest. If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible. I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter. Can anyone verify my suspicions? Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 only? Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow down in this fashion? Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 31 14:22:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 23:03:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 31 Dec 1994 23:02:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow Message-Id: <1994Dec31.202238.36269@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Dec 94 20:22:38 MDT References: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 86 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>, taylorj@ecs.ecs.csus.edu (Jon M. Taylor) writes: > > I know this is a FAQ, but I've already read the FAQ, all the help > files, and played around a lot and I still have speed problems. Soooo.... > > Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, > v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer > (HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server that is set to > swallow XON/XOFF chars and cannot |-< be changed (idiot admins...). > This, BTW, is why I *HAVE* to use Kermit. I used to be able to change > the XON/XOFF passthru, but I now cannot and as a result Zmodem just > refuses to work at all. Yaaay Kermit! I switched out of desperation, > but I am now a convert. > Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work > correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length > set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in > throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and > windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error > correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with > compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. > Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window > setting than 1. The symptoms are: About 5 or so (it varies a bit) blocks > will transfer OK, during which the window setting stays at "1 of > [maxwin]". Then, the transfer will halt temporarily (but no retries > occur), and then the next block will transfer at half the original cps and > one more window. Halt, transfer one more block at half the cps and one > more window, and repeat until max windows are reached, at which point the > number of windows returns to 1, the cps maxes out again, and we repeat the > whole cycle. With max windows set to 2, this cycles often, with 32 the > cps drops to about 16(!!!) at about 10 windows and stays there until 32, > when it cycles back to one again. > > Some other misc. info: > > - stty shows 9600; I changed it to 19200 with indeterminate results. The > Xyplex DTR is set to 19200, I think. > > - c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to > change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses > XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... > > - I use doublespace with a large disk cache. > > Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used > to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. > NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad > it's out there. A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and > CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other > common protocols do. I currently have to stop the transfer to see these. > Given that most folx need to play with the settings, this would be a nice > touch. Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, > how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the > protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to > those who have EC modems. > I'll live with ~1150 cps if I *have* to, but I see no reason why > I couldn't come close to 1600, *if* Windows worked. Any help is appreciated. > > -Jon ----------------- You have two knobs to twist: "how much/packet length" and "time/window slots". Window slots cover up for delays of transmission and analysis time, by allowing the transmitter to continue sending before the receiver's ACKs arrive. Simply lengthening packets tries to cover up trasmission delays and analysis time by having fewer intervals between packets, and of course fewer header bytes to be exchanged too. But longer packets mean real buffering problems along the route, as you seem to have discovered. I suggest backing down some. Use smaller packets and at least two window slots. The product can be a few K bytes or less, depending on your particular site. Then that nasty flow control problem needs some probing, if possible. Your suggestions. Per packet window decorations cost performance, and "efficiency" figures apply only to serial port comms (and not very well to them these days with higher speeds on the DTE-DCE path than on the telco wires). We won't even consider turning off error detection: not only are modems not always error correcting, and never perfectly so even then, but there are a host of other causes of trouble, and you are assuming that checking is a serious performance penalty. Y-modem is hardly a protocol at all: it's a send & pray scheme. Speaking in harsh terms it is my feeling that secure file transfers are more important by far than either visual entertainment or games about the last bit/second; after all, within reason what is being transfered ought to be more important than the act of transferral. I hope you can sort out that horrid Xyplex terminal server problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 1 07:04:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 15:25:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Jan 1995 15:24:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Message-Id: <1995Jan1.130459.36285@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Jan 95 13:04:59 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion > board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a > non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial > port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS > 16550. \|^) > > After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, if I 'set port 2' > Kermit finds and acknowleges the existance of the 16550 in response to > either 'sho comm' or 'sho mod'. If I start Kermit with 'set port 2' in > the command line, it does *not* acknowlege the existance of the 16550. I > don't know if Kermit finds the 16550 under that circumstance (I have > commented out 'set port 1' in mscustom.ini). > > If I 'dial nnnnnnn', Kermit initializes the modem (Dataport 14400) at > 57600, dials the number and connects at 14400. With very little tuning, I > transferred a text file at 2600~2700cps apparently error free from the > remote Kermit 5A(189) putting out allegedly at 38400. > > So why am I using this bandwidth? I don't quite understand this last question. Your telco line is limited to 14,400 bps plus whatever compression can do (in Kermit, in the modem). 2600 cps is about 26,000 bps equivalent and that implies a compression of 2:1 (rather better than average). > 1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial > command to actually dialing the number. It frequently takes so long to > return to the prompt after connection is made that the connection drops > before I can get the remote's attention. "output atdtnnnnnnn\13' is a > crude work-around. That's a sure sign of hardware troubles (interrupts are lost, horribly for example). > 2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to > remote takes a *long* time. Ditto. > 3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a > very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The > screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in > between. I suspect the remote gets bored with the constant hardware halts & > looses interest. If I 'set flo none' the screen is uninteligible. Flow control is the likely suspect and the other end thinks you have stopped the flow. Again, serious hardware problems can mess up serial port handshaking. > I suspect that this behavior is caused by Kermit's finding the > non-standard modem at COM1 and using BIOS thereafter. Can anyone verify > my suspicions? Is there a way to fool Kermit or to cause it to find COM2 > only? Do any other non-standard hardware features cause Kermit to slow > down in this fashion? Kermit will tell your about BIOSn. Just use SHOW COM to see it. SET PORT COM2 tells Kermit to use that port, and be sure there are no port-sensing commands before it (SHOW COM is a sensing command) so that the default COM1 is not touched by them. Try placing SET PORT COM2 near the top of file mskermit.ini to ensure that's the default port when the scripts run. "Non-standard hardware features" covers rather much territory and I hesitate to begin speculating what your computer really looks like at the hardware level. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 04:48:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:00:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 00:00:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: smartcomm script! wanted Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 04:48:00 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under kermit? I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to acknowledge kermit Thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 10:46:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 05:50:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 05:50:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!boulder!ucsub.Colorado.EDU!glaserd From: glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Endo the river rat) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 95 10:46:46 GMT Organization: University of Colorado at Boulder Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ucsub.colorado.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #12 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. Thanx, Dave From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 16:35:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:35:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:35:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kerlite 3.14 beta 16 problem Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:35:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3e9a0r$fra@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3dsutj$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e1ub0$92h@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: >Uh, what's "Kerlite"? > KERLITE.EXE is a small-size edition of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It has no CONNECT command and no network support. It is designed to be used as an external Kermit protocol and/or script execution engine in BBS and other embedded applications. There is also a medium-sized edition called KERMITE.EXE, which includes text terminal emulation, but lacks graphics terminal emulation and network support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 16:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:37:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 11:37:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where's the last version ? Date: 2 Jan 1995 16:37:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-Id: <3e9a51$ft7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e3pniINNped@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>, Daniel Azuelos wrote: >Please, where's the last working version of Kermit for Mac ? > CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:08:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:08:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:08:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smartcomm script! wanted Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:08:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3e9but$h6e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Simon C.Hall wrote: >Hi can you help me eith getting a hayes smartcom 14400 card to work under >kermit? >I tried a few scripts from the beta 17 but could not get the card to >acknowledge kermit > Did you try ULTRA144.SCR? That one is for Hayes Ultra 14400 bps modems, tested successfully on external models. Evidently you have an internal modem. First you have to give a SET PORT command to tell Kermit which port it's on, in case it is not on COM1. If you did that and it still doesn't work, then all the cautions about address and interrupt conflicts apply. Please read Section 6, "Troubleshooting MS-DOS Kermit Serial Port and Modem Problems", in the KERMIT.BWR file. By the way, an easy way to debug dialing troubles is to simply CONNECT to the port and type AT commands to the modem yourself. You don't *have* to use dialing scripts to dial. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:12:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:12:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Endo the river rat wrote: >The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am >having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no >problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the >help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine >but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor >from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. > Which Kermit programs are you using, and which version of each one? On what kind of computer? Using what connection method? etc etc. It's always a good idea to include a few relevant facts in trouble reports -- remember, there are hundreds of different Kermit programs running on probably thousands of different machine/OS/OS-version combinations. Anyway, the most likely explanation of the problem is that you failed to tell Kermit to transfer the files in binary mode. Kermit (unlike sz) uses text mode by default. Just tell (at least) the file sender to: SET FILE TYPE BINARY For safety (since you did not say what Kermit software you are using), give this command to both Kermit programs before starting the transfer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:12:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:00:37 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In glaserd@ucsub.Colorado.EDU (Endo the river rat) writes: >The University does not support sz So I ahve switched to Kermit, bu I am >having major problems with binary files (zip,jpg,gif....) I have no >problems with .hqx or text files. I am new to kermit and I have read the >help a number of times but it seems to be to no avail, my speed is fine >but all binaries are thrashed after the transfer. If you need more infor >from me please write and I'll tell you what I can. You have to tell both sides that the file is binary. On the unix side, add a -i flag to your kermit command line (or if you're talking to the C-Kermit> prompt, tell it "set file type binary" before "send" or "server"); on the Mac side (obviously what you're using) look under one of the menus for file transfer options and set the binary mode. (It's been a LONG time since I've used MacKermit...) (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if this requires 5A(190) or not...) Kermit won't eat your binaries if you tell it not to... GIGO, however.. warp eight bot, little froggy type dude Kermit. It's not just a file transfer anymore. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:18:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:19:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:19:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:18:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3e9ci2$hro@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>, Mark Foley wrote: >I have been using KERMIT for years and years and am a fan. I have >bought the book and everything (I don't have it now though). Anyway the >minor problem I have is this: I have been using c-kermit 5A(189) for >OS/2 for quite awhile now. Appearently, the modem I was using raised >the carrier signal because it worked just fine. I just bought a new US >Robotics 14400 external modem today and hooked it up to my OS/2 machine. >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier >on' doesn't do it. > Please read about the SET CARRIER command. It lets you adjust Kermit to the behavior of your modem. The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during CONNECT mode. SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232. SET CARRIER OFF means to ignore carrier. >I know I can just flip the modem dip switch to make carrier always on, >but this seems wrong. I have extensive experience in RS-232 >communications and carrier is, in fact, suppose to be related to the >actual carrier signal between the connected modems. Why is kermit >looking for carrier before I've even dialed? Doesn't make sense! > It won't do that unless you told it to. Look in your CKERMIT.INI or CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on". You probably put this command in there a while back and forgot about it. Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:36:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:36:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfers are too slow Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:36:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-Id: <3e9dj0$ig6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e51i2$jka@csusac.ecs.csus.edu>, Jon M. Taylor wrote: >Situation: I am connecting from my home computer (486/33, >v.32bis modem, latest beta DOS kermit 3.14) to the university computer >(HP 9000/715, OS 9.x) Via a Xyplex terminal server ... > Anyway, I have compiled 5A(190) for HPUX, and it seems to work >correctly (so far, anyway). I get maximal throughput with packet length >set to 2000 (more works OK, but doesn't seem to make a difference in >throughtput), all the control characters from the FAST macro enabled, and >windows set to 1. My modem DTR is locked at 38400, compression and error >correction enabled, and it connects to the Xyplex at 14.4k with >compression and EC on. With this setup, I get ~1150 CPS. > Here's the rub: Things start breaking down with any other window >setting than 1. >... >- c-kermit on the HP initially uses XON/XOFF. I'm not sure whether to >change this or not - would the Xyplex need it? I *think* the xyplex uses >XON/XOFF to talk to the HP and DSR/DTR to talk to my modem.... > Like it says in the documentation... tell C-Kermit on the host to "set flow none". It has a TCP/IP connection (TELNET or RLOGIN) to the terminal server, and the network protocol itself provides the flow control. Disabling Xon/Xoff in this situation should perk things up quite a bit. Second, make sure you have RTS/CTS enabled in MS-DOS Kermit on your PC *and* on your modem. Most of our high-speed dialing scripts take care of this automatically. I don't know a huge amount about Annexes, but I'll speculate that you are uploading. Many kinds of terminal servers were designed to have big buffers in the host-to-terminal direction and small ones in the opposite direction. This is bad for uploading files. At the very least, the system/network administrators must ensure an extremely effective and responsive method of flow control between the terminal server and the answering modem (preferably RTS/CTS). Better still, perhaps they can reconfigure the terminal servers to allocate buffer space more equitably. Or maybe the Annex has some kind of command that you can give at its prompt that will condition it for file transfers, similar to the Cisco terminal server's "terminal download" command. Finally, about the window size -- please read in the documentation about sliding windows. The file receiver will never use a window size greater than 1, even if a larger size has been SET and successfully negotiated, unless packets are lost or damaged. That's because normally packets arrive in their correct order and therefore each one is disposed of promptly as it arrives. > Also, while I'm here, I want to say thanks to Joe Doupnik (I used >to go to school at USU!) and Frank da Cruz for MS-Kermit and C-Kermit. >NOTHING but Kermit will work over this damn Xyplex, and I'm really glad >it's out there. > Thanks. >A couple suggestions: Have the percentage efficiency and >CPS rating be updated in realtime during the transfer, like most other >common protocols do. > C-Kermit does this (when you use SET FILE DISPLAY FULLSCREEN), but generally speaking, size and efficiency are a bigger issue for MS-DOS Kermit, which must still run on 4.77MHz 8088s. Maybe some day this could be added as an option, but not in version 3.14. >Also, since you seem to be aiming for maximum configurablility, >how about an option to completely turn off ALL error checking in the >protocol (like Ymodem-G)? It would add another little speed boost to >those who have EC modems. > As Joe says, and has been explained repeatedly on many newsgroups, most recently on comp.dcom.modems, this would be a false economy. Even if modem connections could be regarded as 100% reliable and error-free, there are end-to-end issues of flow and error control, not to mention presentation issues, etc, that are beyond the modems' sphere of influence. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:43:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 12:43:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & the strange DOS machine Date: 2 Jan 1995 17:43:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3e9dv7$isl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >I have a single board 8 mhz 8088 MSDOS computer which is an expansion >board to a unix based computer. COM1 is irrevocably tied to a >non-standard on-board-modem. COM2 is said to be a standard PC serial >port, which *was* driven by an NS 8250. COM2 is *now* driven by an NS >16550. \|^) > >After starting Kermit (3.13 patch 20) in the usual fashion, ... > Please try 3.14 Beta. There have been many improvements in the RS-232 (dealing with modem signals) area, which might affect your situation. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. >... >1. Kermit takes 13 minutes from pressing following the dial >command to actually dialing the number. > This sounds like repeated flow-control failures and long timeout waits (about 15 seconds each). This probably means that Kermit has been told to SET FLOW RTS/CTS prior to dialing, but that the modem has not been configured for RTS/CTS, or does not use it properly while in command mode. Try SET FLOW NONE during dialing, and then (if it works) change to SET FLOW RTS/CTS after dialing is complete. >2. Escaping from connect to local is prompt, but connecting back to >remote takes a *long* time. > Again, it sounds like your modem is not asserting CTS at the time when CONNECT. Make sure Kermit and the modem are *both* set for RTS/CTS flow control. If that doesn't help, I'd say the modem is probably not working right -- or your cable does not connect the RTS and CTS terminals on each side to their counterparts on the other. >3. In interactive operation as a vt100 and with 'set flo rts/cts' a >very few characters are dropped, not enough to cause problems - but - The >screen is written only a few lines at a time with long pauses in >between. > Same deal, again. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 17:57:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:10:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 13:10:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC on kermit for oS/2 help needed??? Date: Mon, 02 Jan 1995 10:57:52 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 32 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 with YES/286 v.0.12.B1225 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to get apc to work on ckermit 190 for OS/2. I am running ckermit 190 for os/2 using its network features, which are fantastic (thanks a lot for that). Here are the two unix scripts I use to try and do this: echo '_set file type binary, receive \' $HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1 and echo '_set file type text, receive \' $HOME/bin/kermit -y $HOME/bin/kermit.ini -i -s $1 Now, the kermit.ini is like this: set delay 1 set window 4 set block 3 set receive packet-length 9024 SET RECEIVE PATH OFF set send packet-length 9024 set terminal apc on SET FILE COLL OVERWRITE SET FILE DISPLAY QUIET OK, ckermit 190 for OS/2 is in VT220 mode with APC turned on. If I run the script for the first time it simply returns me to the ckermit> prompt. I then have to connect and control-c out of ckermit on the unix box. I can then re-run the script the exact same way, and it works . Now, why is this? Keep in mind, both kermits are 190 level. I compiled the unix one just recently from the source on kermit.columbia.edu. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 09:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 14:18:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 14:18:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!unhf.unh.edu!jf_adams From: jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu (I've never met a Lasanga I didn't like - GARFIELD) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where find FAQ, com3, packet size Date: 2 Jan 1995 14:11 EST Organization: Comp. & Info. Services, University of New Hampshire Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unhf.unh.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ? Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT? I have some things I would liek to fix. I got a new pc with a built in modem on COM 3. Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it. I have a basic understanding of computers and use them a lot at work, but am not to familiar with kermit other then the basic aspect of transferring files and using it to make my a pc a dummy terminal for work (its a NEC pentium 66 mhz connecting to a VAX/VMS system at work). I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!) Any tips/ideas/suggestions would be mucho apprecieated, Thanks Jonathan jf_adams@unhf.unh.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 08:29:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:25:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 17:25:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit auto DL/UL! Message-Id: <1995Jan2.142944.36328@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jan 95 14:29:44 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: > After examining kermit packets closely a friend has determined two strings > that can be used to start kermit transfers automatically from {COMMO} (any > other term program for that matter). This is not using the APC logic described > in kermit.upd though. > > The two strings are: > > For upload I am using "^a# N3" download "^a5 S~". > > I have tested this and it works using msdos kermit on both sides. ----------- Only if a) Control-A is used as the start of packet character, and the checksum is correct b) this pattern can never exist in real data c) the other end is willing to send idle NAKs The S packet material is vital, is not nearly so short as you have describe, and must not be broken into pieces. Unfortunately, none of a..c is a requirement. Maybe your friend should also examine the protocol specs carefully to see the variations. In general, there is no safe pattern. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 2 20:51:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:23:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 18:23:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 2 Jan 1995 15:51:02 -0500 Organization: Courant Institute, New York University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu> References: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: murray.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 00:52:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:52:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:52:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: where find FAQ, com3, packet size Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:52:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 177 Message-Id: <3ea748$b7b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2JAN199514111085@unhf.unh.edu>, wrote: >Could someone tell me where I can locate the KERMIT FAQ? > Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file faq.txt. >Also any suggestions for some books on KERMIT? > Listed below. >I have some things I would liek to fix. I got a new pc with a built in modem >on COM 3. Kermit doesn't seem to reconize it. > Please read the KERMIT.BWR that comes on your MS-DOS Kermit diskette, the section about PC serial ports and internal modems. It will tell what you need to know. >I wanted to know how to change packet size's and window sizes to speed up >transfers (at the moment I am using my older pc for kermiting on COM2, but >would like to use my bulit in one if I can figure out how to get it to work!) > If it doesn't use a nonstandard address or IRQ, and if there is no IRQ conflict, just tell Kermit to "set port com3". If that doesn't do it, then please read the aforementioned file. For increasing packet sizes and other methods of making file transfers go faster, please read the aforementioned FAQ. KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 00:56:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:56:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 2 Jan 1995 19:56:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 3 Jan 1995 00:56:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3ea7cc$bb6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3e9c5j$ha5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3e9ovm$9e0@murray.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick wrote: >I was getting ready to raise theis point. v 190 macch unix-pc. I set >the file type binary on local. The transfer screen says text. As >F. de C. says you have to tell both sides. However this was not the case >in 189. Is this a global change or is it a bad build in the unic-pc. > Prior to C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1, the file transfer mode, text or binary, was ALWAYS governed by the file sender (as long as both Kermits supported and had successfully negotiated the use of File Attribute packets and the "file type" attribute). The file sender tells the file receiver the transfer mode, and the file receiver switches accordingly, automatically. In the new versions, but only when the two Kermit programs have a client/server relationship, it is the *client* that determines the transfer mode, no matter whether it is sending or receiving. This change was made by popular demand, to address the following scenario: 1. User starts remote Kermit, puts it in server mode. 2. User escapes back to local Kermit and tells it to: SET FILE TYPE BINARY GET OOFA.ZIP Previously, OOFA.ZIP would arrive in text mode. Now it arrives in binary mode. Please read the KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit 5A(190)) for a fuller explanation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 23:55:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:55:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 18:55:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is eating binaries *help plz* Date: 3 Jan 1995 15:55:33 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eco5l$bbu@pacifier.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Glenn R. Stone wrote: > >used MacKermit...) (for those who use DOS, SET FILE TYPE BINARY at the >MS-Kermit> prompt.... and for those as have the beta release, doing it on >the DOS side automagically does it on the Unix side, too... I don't know if >this requires 5A(190) or not...) > It does. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 00:30:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:59:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 19:59:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!netnews.whoi.edu!whsun1!dhiltz From: dhiltz@whsun1.whoi.edu (David Hiltz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface Date: 4 Jan 1995 00:30:51 GMT Organization: Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ecq7r$do@pearl.whoi.edu> References: <3ec4vk$8ru@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: whsun1.wh.whoi.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David A. Berk (dab@cnj.digex.net) wrote: : I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account : and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could : upload and download to. Any help appreciated. MenuPerl gives you simple menuing capability. You are going to have your Procomm users log onto a Unix host and run a menu program? If so, menuperl will do the job. ----------- David Hiltz dhiltz@whsun1.wh.whoi.edu Network System Administrator Northeast Fisheries Science Center ######&@&###### From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 02:16:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:28:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 22:28:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!mfoley From: mfoley@infinet.com (Mark Foley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CARRIER PROBLEM ON CKERMIT OS/2 Date: 4 Jan 1995 02:16:29 GMT Organization: InfiNet - Internet Access (614/224-3410) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ed0dt$d5g@rigel.infinet.com> References: <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com> <3e9ci2$hro@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3e2mpn$c1o@rigel.infinet.com>, : Mark Foley wrote: : > (stuff deleted) : >Now, when I attempt to connect, I get a message "No Carrier" (or : >something to that effect), and I can't connect to the modem. I have : >done 'set ?' and various other commands looking for a fix - 'set carrier : >on' doesn't do it. : > : Please read about the SET CARRIER command. It lets you adjust Kermit to : the behavior of your modem. The default is SET CARRIER AUTO, which means : to NOT require carrier during DIAL operation, but to require it during : CONNECT mode. SET CARRIER ON means to require it at all times, so of : course that doesn't work if your modem is following RS-232. SET CARRIER : OFF means to ignore carrier. : It won't do that unless you told it to. Look in your CKERMIT.INI or : CKERMOD.INI file for "set carrier on". You probably put this command : in there a while back and forgot about it. : Also, I'd recommend you upgrade to version 5A(190), which is light-years : ahead of 5A(189) in its capabilities. : - Frank Thanks for the tips. I was confused about the ON/OFF meaning in SET CARRIER. I though SET CARRIER ON meant SET the CARRIER ON (or act like is set on, anyway). There is no SET CARRIER ... in either CKERMIT.INI or CKERMOD.INI. SET CARRIER AUTO still gave me the same problem. However, SET CARRIER OFF works just fine. I am writing this via OS/2 Kermit. I will get version 5A(190) ASAP. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 02:54:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:10:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:10:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!i2unix!news From: Gianluca Attura Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: new kermit docs Date: 4 Jan 1995 02:54:01 GMT Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: ax433.mclink.it Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. Regargs Luca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 18:28:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:16:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:16:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!cnj.digex.net!cnj.digex.net!not-for-mail From: dab@cnj.digex.net (David A. Berk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Simple Unix Menu Driven Interface Date: 3 Jan 1995 13:28:04 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ec4vk$8ru@cnj.digex.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a menu driven interface that I could set up on a Unix account and specify an incoming and outgoing directory that Procomm users could upload and download to. Any help appreciated. thanks; -- David Barak dab@cnj.digex.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 04:44:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:53:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 00:53:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit newbie Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 23:44:34 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please bear with my ignorance... I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS. I have been using a dated modem program (CrossTalk). I know a little ProComm too. When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>. I enter 'receive '. After a long delay I get a 'too many retries' message. Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful). Thanks for your time and patience private e-mail preferred Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net "I'm on Cloud9!" :) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 19:10:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:01:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:01:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com!clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com!shapiro From: shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: testing with kermit Followup-To: comp.software.testing Date: 3 Jan 1995 19:10:48 GMT Organization: IBM Corporation, Kingston NY Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Reply-To: shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com Keywords: kermit testing Originator: shapiro@clnt8kgn.kgn.ibm.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.software.testing:2977 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1527 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package known as kermit. Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient to "automate" tasks. Works rather well, Commands that complete quickly work great. Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the process. I've discovered that REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with: "Sent too many NAKs" Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of quick executing commands and long executing commands. All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix. small sample of a test script: ; SET NETWORK TCP/IP LOG SESSION output.out SET HOST node script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \ who~sam~si~s& ]> \ jobs~s~-l ]> \ who~sam~si ]> quit ; SET HOST Anybody got any bright ideas? David Shapiro shapiro@minnie.nic.kingston.ibm.com PPS IBM Corp (914) 432-8018 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 16:01:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:42:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 03:42:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu-berlin.de!zib-berlin.de!irz401!not-for-mail From: ss5@irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (Steffen Schwigon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to continue a broken `get'? && Where is the FAQ? Date: 3 Jan 1995 17:01:45 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, TU Dresden, Germany Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de> Reply-To: schwigon@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de Nntp-Posting-Host: irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the `get' command on a file? (Actually I split the file into a lot of small parts and use `set file collision discard'. But I still have to delete the last broken file.) Maybe this is a FAQ, so please write where I can find the FAQ. (Greeti+Tha)nX Steffen -- Steffen Schwigon schwigon@freia.inf.tu-dresden.de WWW: http://www.inf.tu-dresden.de/~ss5 fingerprint: AB FD 87 DF 3F 84 F0 3A E4 8B EB 09 CF 4B E3 94 PGP-public-key: mail me with `Subject: SEND-PGP-KEY' or finger me From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:09:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:10:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to continue a broken `get'? && Where is the FAQ? Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:09:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eea7n$h22@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ebsd9$3k6@irz404.inf.tu-dresden.de>, Steffen Schwigon wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit under Linux and Ultrix to get files from the >Ultrix machine to my Linux box over a modem connection. Sometimes >the connection goes down. Is there any chance to continue the >`get' command on a file? > Yes. The new releases of Kermit software (some of them still in Beta) -- C-Kermit 5A(190), MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (Beta), and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 (Beta) -- allow a binary-mode file transfer to be resumed from the point of failure. Simply RESEND the file. See the appropriate update notices for details: KERMIT.UPD for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, ckcker.upd for C-Kermit, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:28:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:28:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:28:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.software.testing,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: testing with kermit Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:28:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 129 Message-Id: <3eebb1$igb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit testing Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.software.testing:2980 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1530 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ec7fo$9ol@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com>, wrote: >To handle repetitive tasks I've resorted to the public domain package >known as kermit. > It's not public domain. Read the copyright notice. >Even though I'm on a full blown TCPIP network >with telnet and rsh available everywhere Kermit is convenient >to "automate" tasks. > >Works rather well, >Commands that complete quickly work great. >Commands that take a long time, timeout , prematuring terminating the >process. I've discovered that >REMOTE SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 >will make the timeout value infinite, but I still timeout with: >"Sent too many NAKs" > This type of message appears when a file transfer fails. A NAK (Negative Acknowledgement) occurs when an expected packet does not arrive within the specified (or default) timeout interval, or when it arrives in damaged condition (e.g. back checksum). The only "commands" that time out are file transfers and other protocol- driven operations (client/server stuff) and script programming commands that expect certain inputs within a specified or default amount of time. You can control protocol-related timeouts with the SET { SEND, RECEIVE } TIMEOUT command. { REMOTE } SET SERVER TIMEOUT controls only one thing: whether Kermit, when in server mode, sends periodic NAKs while waiting for commands, i.e. when it is doing nothing. These NAKs are normally not needed, but if the Kermit program on the other end is not capable of timing out (e.g. early versions, circa 1981, of CP/M Kermit), then this would be the only way to break the deadlock that would occur if a server command packet sent by a non-timing-out client were to be lost in transit. >Its especially attrocious when I want to mix a workload of >quick executing commands and long executing commands. >All my scripts are short, and are basically single script commands >with lots of continuation. This is probably why I can't mix. > All you have to do is read the manual. >small sample of a test script: > >; SET NETWORK TCP/IP >LOG SESSION output.out >SET HOST node >script gin:--gin:--gin: root word: passwd ]> who ]> date ]> \ >who~sam~si~s& ]> \ >jobs~s~-l ]> \ >who~sam~si ]> quit > In this example, you are using the old uucp-style SCRIPT command, which is not the best way to write scripts because it is cryptic, limited, and inflexible. There is a much more readable, powerful, and flexible script programming language that is documented in chapters 11-13 of the manual (see below). It lets you (for example) specify an explicit timeout on each item. Your example above might be recoded as something like this: LOG SESSION output.out SET HOST node SET INPUT ECHO ON ; (or OFF, as you wish) INPUT 20 gin: IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get Login prompt} OUTPUT root\13 INPUT 5 word: IF FAIL STOP 1 {Failure to get password prompt} SET INPUT TIMEOUT QUIT INPUT 30 ]> OUTPUT who\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT date\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT who am i\13 INPUT 10 ]> OUTPUT jobs -l\13 >Anybody got any bright ideas? > Read the manual? Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank P.S. I sympathize with people who don't like the SCRIPT command. Once the INPUT/OUTPUT/IF/GOTO/FOR/WHILE/etc style of script programming was added to C-Kermit in version 5A, I was tempted to yank it out, but of course I could not because many people depended on it. People who want to write new scripts, however, are encouraged to use the new features rather than the old SCRIPT command unless they are totally comfortable with the SCRIPT command and its limitations. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:35:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:35:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:35:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3eebnd$ivm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura wrote: >I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new >Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. > Long packets are not new. They are documented in the Kermit protocol specification: Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press, Bedford, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. The *use* of long packets is documented in the user manuals for each Kermit program, such as "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit". APC capabilities are relatively recent. They are documented in the update notes that come with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later (KERMIT.UPD), C-Kermit 5A(190) or later (CKERMIT.INF for OS/2, ckcker.upd for UNIX, VMS, etc). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 14:39:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:39:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 09:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit newbie Date: 4 Jan 1995 14:39:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3eebv4$j5f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich wrote: >I want to download files from my UNIX account to DOS. I have been using >a dated modem program (CrossTalk). I know a little ProComm too. > >When I invoke Kermit once in my UNIX shell it comes up C-Kermit>. I >enter 'receive '. After a long delay I get a 'too many >retries' message. > >Can someone help or recommend a *brief* guide to Kermit (I ftp'ed an >enormous MSKermit.doc and the faq file wasn't terribly helpful). > When the "UNIX shell comes up C-Kermit>", that's called a prompt. Just above the prompt it said: Type ? or HELP for help Did you try that? In any case, if you think about it for a second, if you want to download a file, you have to tell the software the name of the file to be downloaded. So, for example, if the file's name was "oofa.txt", you would type, in response to the C-Kermit> prompt: send oofa.txt Then you would instruct your terminal program to receive the file. Obviously (I hope), you must also instruct your terminal program to use Kermit protocol. For further information, please read the pertinent manuals. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 15:35:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:06:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 11:06:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.elf.com!rpi!luy From: luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PPP support? Date: 4 Jan 1995 15:35:11 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cayley.math.rpi.edu Keywords: PPP, Kermit, TCP/IP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works great. However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet, CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something wrong? BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction, V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155). On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived. -- *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* _Y_a _Y_a_n _L_u Phone:(518)276-2677 Fax:(518)276-4824 E-mail:luy@rpi.edu ~{B=QEQT~} Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 16:42:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:38:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:38:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!night.primate.wisc.edu!kbad.eglin.af.mil!rpi!luy From: luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Control: cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Date: 4 Jan 1995 16:42:01 GMT Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY, USA Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3eej4p$5i6@usenet.rpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cayley.math.rpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc -- *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* _Y_a _Y_a_n _L_u Phone:(518)276-2677 Fax:(518)276-4824 E-mail:luy@rpi.edu ~{B=QEQT~} Dept of Mathematical Sciences, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute *--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--*--* From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 16:47:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:22:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 15:22:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ESC[0m ??? Date: 4 Jan 1995 16:47:11 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) to tackle today's problem. I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for resetting colors, right? :^) andrew. (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 22:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:43:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 17:43:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ESC[0m ??? Date: 4 Jan 1995 22:43:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ef8ap$71c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, A. Andrew Brennan wrote: > I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to > have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in > red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the > DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in > both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI > sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. > > Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of > ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for > resetting colors, right? :^) > From the KERMIT.UPD for version 3.14: SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 If Kermit receives a "reset visual attributes" escape sequence (CSI 0 m) from the host, this does not affect the screen coloration. However, some applications expect it to restore the default fore- and background colors. SET TERMINAL COLOR 20 tells Kermit to do this. v3.14. By the way, if you have any official DEC documentation that says this should be the default behavior, we'd like to see it. Our DEC VT manuals list the actions to be taken on CSI 0 m very explicitly, and none of them affect the coloration. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 23:25:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:57:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 20:57:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Message-Id: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> Date: 4 Jan 95 18:25:24 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error: Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10 Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think those are only for TCP/IP anyway ? scott burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 02:58:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:58:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 4 Jan 1995 21:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Date: 5 Jan 1995 02:58:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3efn92$lbs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner>, Scott Burns wrote: >While awaiting C-Kermit for Win-NT someone said to try the 16bit >C-Kermit for OS/2. In trying to run the CKOKER16.EXE file I get the error: > >Error ordinal not found CKOKER16->OS2SM.10 > >Anyone know if this will work or what this error means ? I tried copying all >DLL's to the Os2LibPath directory but this did not work either and I think >those are only for TCP/IP anyway ? > >scott >burns@eisner.decus.org OS2SM is a library that WinNT 3.5 does not provide. Therefore, C-Kermit will not work on Windows NT. Unfortunately, you will have to wait for an NT specific version. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 12:25:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 07:30:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 07:30:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.csd.harris.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT V3.5 Date: 05 Jan 1995 12:25:15 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 12 Message-Id: References: <1995Jan4.182524.8447@eisner> <3efn92$lbs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amber.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 5 Jan 1995 02:58:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using the regular MSDOS kermit under Windows NT, and if you don't try to push it too hard it works fine (I notice a tendency of it to drop characters if I try any speed faster than 19.2K). Presumably a native version for NT would have less emulation overhead and could run at much higher speeds, but the DOS version is fine for me. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.csd.harris.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, gopher://chaos.dac.neu.edu:1112/00/pvs.txt) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 15:12:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:19:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 13:19:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Date: 5 Jan 1995 10:12:14 -0500 Organization: Lehigh University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is needed? Thanks for any help. .---John D. Laessig-------.-------------------------------------------. | Physics Building #16 | Email Address: jl0h@lehigh.edu | | Lehigh University | | `---Bethlehem, PA 18015---^-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 18:47:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:36:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!brs From: brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de (Bernd Seitter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MacKermit problems Date: 5 Jan 1995 18:47:16 GMT Organization: Technische Universitaet Muenchen, Germany Lines: 41 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: reggae.regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de Keywords: MacKermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hoi ! i have problems with running a script with MacKermit. the script looks like this : open read foo.bar read \%a echo \%a the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this this is test end of test MacKermit 0.99(190) 11/26/93 16:12 behaves like this : when running the script : Unknown IO error : -51 zclose(): i dont know what kind of file this is : 9 MacKermit 0.991(190) 08/19/94 10:01 behaves like this : when running the script : i'm transfered to MacBugs : mberto+00A2 (by the way : this happens everytime i try to run a script, even the script contains only a comment ...) on the command line everything works fine with this version of kermit (0.991(190)). any ideas or help out there ? thank you very much !! -- /* Bernd Seitter, :-) Hey, you caught me in a coma (slash/rose) */ /* brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, Technische Universitaet Muenchen */ -- /* Bernd Seitter, :-) Hey, you caught me in a coma (slash/rose) */ /* brs@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de, Technische Universitaet Muenchen */ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 21:23:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:44:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 17:44:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: MacKermit problems Message-Id: Keywords: MacKermit Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 21:23:00 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eherk$c32@hpsystem1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de>, Bernd Seitter wrote: >hoi ! > >i have problems with running a script with MacKermit. > >the script looks like this : > open read foo.bar > read \%a > echo \%a > >the file exists and contains 2 lines, like this > > this is test > end of test > I had similar problems with OpenVMS Kermit and the problem was resolved by doing a... set file type text before opening the file. It may or may not be the same problem. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 23:29:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:29:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:29:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Date: 5 Jan 1995 23:29:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ehvcr$fbo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu>, JOHN DONALD LAESSIG wrote: >Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with >ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is >needed? > Configure each PC's Kermit program for TCP/IP according to the instructions in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Chapter 17. On one PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp *", which means wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection, and then "server" to put it in Kermit server mode. Then on the other PC, tell Kermit to "set port tcp xxxx", where xxxx is the IP address of the first PC, and then just give it SEND, GET, REMOTE DIRECTORY, and similar commands. You can even transfer entire directory trees from one PC to another in this way. Use the XSEND utility that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit (or at least it will be supplied with version 3.14 -- in earlier versions it was on a separate "utilities" diskette). You can ftp the XSEND utility from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a, files msixse.*. The binary is in kermit/bin/msixse.exe. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 04:21:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:01:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:01:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer between two+ PCs using TCP/IP? Message-Id: <1995Jan5.102140.36604@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Jan 95 10:21:40 MDT References: <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eh28e$2q85@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jl0h@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (JOHN DONALD LAESSIG) writes: > Can Kermit be used simply to transfer files between two or more PCs with > ethernet boards using TCP/IP? What is the simplest method, and what is > needed? ------------ Yes, and not only using TCP/IP but also NetBIOS and some other networking channels. One is placed in Telnet listen mode, SET PORT TCP *, the other is a regular client. For file transfer put the listener in Kermit SERVER mode. It's in the manuals and release notes. Try the 3.14 beta; it's really fast between PCs this way (I clock about 70KB/sec between 486's). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 07:29:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:28:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ESC[0m ??? Message-Id: <1995Jan4.132932.36513@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 95 13:29:32 MDT References: <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eejef$3vs@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) writes: > Ok, I've not played with ANSI sequences much - but dug out the trusty > "Using MS-DOS Kermit" text (both for the sequences and the ASCII tables) > to tackle today's problem. > > I'm adding a "diskquota display" to our menu system and would like to > have the "you're over your quota, delete files now" message come up in > red. No problem - "ESC[0;31m DELETE FILES ESC[0m", right? Now, on the > DECterm I use it's a RED DELETE and back to normal colors. Kermit (in > both 3.13 and 3.14) doesn't reset to the original colors with that ANSI > sequence, although the text appears to indicate that it will. > > Any idea on this one? Is it a Kermit problem or simply my own bit of > ANSI newbie-dom showing (in which case there's a better sequence for > resetting colors, right? :^) ----------- Display attributes, the CSI Pn; Pn..; Pn m command, lacks color information. Read what attributes are being controlled and the matter should be clearer. The ANSI.SYS TSR for DOS has little relationship with the comms world. But many of us have used it for color information in lieu of an acceptable substitute. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta has a command to zap colors to defaults upon a CSI m; use SET TERM COLOR ? to see, or read the docs in the beta archive file. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 4 05:00:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:29:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:29:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP support? Message-Id: <1995Jan4.110017.36484@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jan 95 11:00:17 MDT References: <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eef7f$39a@usenet.rpi.edu>, luy@cayley.math.rpi.edu (Ya Yan Lu ~{B=QEQT~}) writes: > I have been using mskermit (version 3.13 and 3.14) to connect to the > UNIX account through a modem from my PC at home. The Xyplex terminal > server for the UNIX account supports SLIP, CSLIP, PPP. Using the > packet drivers slipper.exe, cslipper.exe, I have succesfully made the > connection though the internel TCP/IP support of mskermit. It works > great. > > However, it seems that mskermit does not work with PPP. I am using the > Merit packet driver ppp.exe (from EtherPPP.zip). The parameters that I > set for the TCP connection must be right, since the same parameters > (IP addresses, gateway, nameservers, etc) work well with NCSA telnet, > CUTCP, WATTCP. Going through the documents of kermit, I only find that > mskermit supports Telbits(spelling?) PPP. Am I still doing something > wrong? > > BTW, using my 1.44k (V.32bis) modem (with V.42 error correction, > V.42bis data compression enabled), I can still only get ~1.2kbytes/s > for down loading (in CSLIP) for pre-compressed files (zip files). I > have tried everything: (a) set the modem right (b) set receive > packet-length, window, (c) control unprefixed (except for 0, 1, 155). > On the same line, with ftp from NCSA or CUTCP, 1.7kb/s can be achived. -------------- As we've mentioned a number of times here and in the docs, MS-DOS Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack works with a) Packet Drivers which present either an Ethernet (DIX flavor) or SLIP interface, b) Novell ODI drivers, including SLIP_PPP, c) Telebit's PPP drivers (Packet Driver flavor and ODI flavor). There is no such thing as a standardized top level interface for PPP drivers. Every one is vastly different, and almost completely undoc'd. I wish I could say something nice about Merit's Etherppp package, but to be honest it has never ever run here. It hangs my PC every time as it initializes, well before Kermit enters the picture, and I do know what I'm about in PCs. I think you will find the next beta has better SLIP performance, but it's rather awkward for me to explore this locally. A lot, and that does mean a lot, of work has been done to minimize the number of packets appearing on the wires so that SLIP and PPP may work well. There is a tradeoff between fewest packets and greatest throughput in the face of packet losses, yet SLIP/PPP wants both. There are no canned cures for these conflicting requirements. And that means I won't entertain any silly bits/sec contest such as we see with straight serial comms; it's just not that simple. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 3 15:57:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:30:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:30:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Message-Id: <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jan 95 21:57:03 MDT References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura writes: > I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new > Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. --------------- APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK. Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 20:50:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 15:52:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 15:52:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!stimpy.eecis.udel.edu!alexandr From: alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Server & Con Redirection Date: 6 Jan 1995 20:50:40 GMT Organization: Mos Eisley Candy Store Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stimpy-fddi.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server mode. Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. Here's the lowdown: one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode. I'm coming in from the Linux box. The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. Here's where my problem is. Since I have set port tcp *, it's not really going through any serial port. Thus, I can't use ctty to redirct the output since this only works for serial ports. Am I missing something? Is there a way to do this? Do I need a ctty clone or something? Does such a beast exist? Am I the only one who's ever thought of doing this? Am I boring you with all of these questions? As always, all help is appreciated and thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> alexandr@louie.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@chopin.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:24:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:02:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:02:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 50 rows x 132 cols problem Message-Id: <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 14:24:36 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Fellow Kermitalolics, I use RUN MODE 80,50 to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows. then I use set terminal/page=49 to preserve the 50 status line. when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows. then it goes back to 80 cols. it stays 25 rows. is there a way to force it back to 50 rows? Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 19:48:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 17:21:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 17:21:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 19:48:52 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the answer or didn't understand it if I did. I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in advance, for taking the time to help me. --- Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP monty@indirect.com James_T.._Monty.ANDERSEN_WO@notes.compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 22:38:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 21:19:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 6 Jan 1995 21:19:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mtu.edu!msunews!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!hookup!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!newstand.syr.edu!jeanlaur From: jeanlaur@cat.syr.EDU (Pierre Jean-Laurent) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 06 Jan 1995 22:38:05 GMT Organization: Syracuse University, Syracuse NY, USA Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cat.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if possible) via e-mail. Thank you, Pierre Jean-Laurent jeanlaur@mailbox.syr.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 21:26:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 16:26:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 16:26:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Date: 7 Jan 1995 21:26:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 Message-Id: <3en0uk$ls5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Jim Monty wrote: >DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the > answer or didn't understand it if I did. > Thank you for consulting the documentation. >I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, >using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 >terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page >CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may >assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. > >Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves >as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results >in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on >the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these >exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my >dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other >terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this >way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. > >I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit >configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never >really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out >myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in >advance, for taking the time to help me. > >Jim Monty, Kermit Cheerleader at Arthur Andersen LLP > Well, Jim, I think it's finally time to classify this as a Frequently Asked Question and add it to the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT). As you have discovered, different hosts and applications use different characters (or sequences) for destructive backspace. The terminal emulator, Kermit or otherwise (including Telemate -- if its backspace key works for you in all circumstances, I think that's just a stroke of luck), has no way of knowing what host or application you are using, and therefore no way of knowing what to send when you press the Backspace key. Of course, Kermit's Backspace key must send *something* "out of the box", so it uses one of the several most likely destructive backspace values, and in fact the one that is defined in ASCII to be destructive backspace, namely Rubout, also known as Delete or DEL, character number 127, which sometimes is displayed as "^?". Lest anyone believe this is a frivolous choice, I quote from American National Standard X3.4-1977, Section 5.1, Control Characters: 0/8 BS (Backspace). A one-active-position format effector that moves the position backward on the same line. 7/15 (DEL). A character used primarily to erase or obliterate an erroneous or unwanted character... In cases where the default does not work, Kermit lets you redefine the Backspace key (or any other key) to send whatever you want it to send (or to take any other actions) with the SET KEY command. The SET KEY command has two operands: a unique identifier for a key or key combination, called a scan code, and the value or action to be assigned to the key. Scan codes are written with a preceding backslash (\). The scan code for the Backspace key is \270. The default definition for this key is \127, meaning the character whose numeric value is 127, i.e. DEL. You can find out a key's scan code by consulting Table I-9 in the manual (pages 285-288), or by giving the SHOW KEY command to Kermit and then pressing the desired key or key combination. Now, as you have discovered, some applications use Ctrl-H -- ASCII BS (Backspace) -- for destructive backspace. Consulting the ASCII table on page 275, you see that the ASCII code for BS is 8. So to make PC's Backspace key send BS instead of DEL, give this command: SET KEY \270 \8 If you use Kermit only to connect to hosts and services that use BS for destructive backspace, then you can put this command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and it will take effect automatically every time you start Kermit. But some people (like yourself) switch between different hosts and/or services that expect different characters or sequences for destructive backspace. You can, of course, give Kermit the appropriate command every time you switch from one to another: SET KEY \270 \8 ; Backspace sends BS or: SET KEY \270 \127 ; Backspace sends DEL or you can use the macros that are already defined in MSKERMIT.INI for this. In version 3.14, for example, we have macros with names like VAX and IBM. The VAX macro sets things up (including the Backspace key) for communicating with VAXes and VAX-like systems, and that means, among other things, setting the Backspace key to send DEL. The IBM macro, on the other hand, is used for communicating with IBM mainframes in linemode, where BS is used. You can use these macros as they are, or you can write your own macros based upon them and add them to your MSCUSTOM.INI file. To use a macro, just type its name at the MS-Kermit> prompt. Suppose, for example, you normally access two different systems: a BBS (which uses 8-bit characters, ANSI terminal emulation, and BS) and a UNIX system (which uses 7-bit characters, VT220 emulation, and DEL), and these items need to be changed when you switch between the two. You could write two macros such as these: define bbs set term byte 8, set term type ANSI, set key \270 \8 define unix set term byte 7, set term type vt220, set key \270 \127 And then each time you want to use the BBS, you just type "bbs" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and each time you want to access the UNIX system, you type "unix". Of course, you could take this process even further, and turn the BBS and UNIX macros into complete connection-establishment and login scripts, following the directions in Chapter 14 of the manual, on script programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 22:32:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:32:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 17:32:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Date: 7 Jan 1995 22:32:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3en4pr$o7l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Original-Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Cc: In article , Pierre Jean-Laurent wrote: >I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit >on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect >command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow >(just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works >fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if >possible) via e-mail. > Please read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.13 or later. There is a big section on this. You have to make sure you are telling Kermit to use the right COM port, and that, if it is not COM1 or COM2, what its address and interrupt are, and that there are no interrupt conflicts. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 06:04:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:06:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 18:06:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!world!jeffb From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) Subject: Re: new kermit docs Message-Id: Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 06:04:39 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it>, Gianluca Attura writes: >> I wish to know if, in any form, I can find the docs about the new >> Kermit structure, the long packets and the APC capabilities. >--------------- > APC is fully documented in the release notes accompanying MSK. >Long packets aren't new at all unless if one counts a decade ago as >new. The protocol details are spelled out in the definitive rule book: >the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Referenced >in the official User's Manuals, amongst other places. > Joe D. Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the 'RESEND' command documented anywhere. If not, will they be? Jeff Berntsen jeffb@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 10:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 19:14:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 19:14:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan7.163118.36910@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Jan 95 16:31:18 MDT References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >>> >>> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server >>> mode. > > [snip] > >> It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you >> hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. >> I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the >> net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . >> If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run >> DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. >> CTTY is less than inadequate. >> Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There >> are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such >> as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running >> in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply >> into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is >> not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. >> If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. >> Joe D. > > I'm not going to be of any help here. In fact, I have a similar question. > All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem. Is there > any way to do this using kermit? There are people available on both ends, > so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem. I > suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I > would like to get kermit to do this if it can. > > I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory > and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC). Is > there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM > that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct > serial link instead of a modem? ----------------- It's called SERVER mode, a standard feature of Columbia Kermits since day one. Rather than go though a long explaination of this may I recommend reading about it in the user's manual, the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" book. It is very simple to use: Kermit command SERVER, at the minimum. Protection features are available too, via ENABLE/DISABLE, and even a SET SERVER command to add a little more control. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 06:38:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 20:22:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 20:22:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!cica.cica.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!bronze.ucs.indiana.edu!jawarric From: jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 06:38:25 GMT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a few questions. checked the tiny FAQ with no luck... SYSTEM: I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific kermit program on SCO Unix. I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem. 1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block check is? 2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? 3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long packet lengths? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 09:21:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:02:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 7 Jan 1995 22:02:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!news.iastate.edu!not-for-mail From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa (USA) Message-Id: <-3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Control: cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Subject: cmsg cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:21:58 GMT Approved: news@news.iastate.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3eii12$q26@news.iastate.edu> From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 16:56:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:52:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:52:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 16:56:49 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3ejsoh$phe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) writes: >I have a few questions. checked the tiny FAQ with no luck... >SYSTEM: I type Wermit to run kermit, so I guess that is the specific > kermit program on SCO Unix. The provided makefile compiles Kermit source to "wermit", to give a test version which won't overwrite the production "kermit". The System Admin is supposed to rename it to "kermit" when satisfied with it. > I use Crosstalk for Windows over a 14.4 modem. > >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? Block check is the same as Checksum. Kermit Crosstalk set block 1 checksum single set block 2 checksum double set block 3 checksum CRC If they don't match, you'll get: >3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* >results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long >packet lengths? It could be, but non-matching Checksum parameters will cause it. I don't know what parts of the Kermit protocol Crosstalk implements. When I used to run Windows on my PC, I used MS-Kermit in a DOS Full-Screen session as my terminal emulator. It was very compatible with the C-Kermit on the Unix boxes, and was free! (Now running OS/2 so have C-Kermit at both ends). You'll have to check your Crosstalk documentation to see what it supports. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 16:49:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:56:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 05:56:48 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 16:49:06 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? `Block' and `packet' are synonyms. They're interchangable. The `checksum' setting in your modem software is the same as the `block check' setting in the Kermit program. Here's the correspondence: single checksum -> block check 1 double checksum -> block check 2 CRC -> block check 3 Generally, if you're playing with long packets, you should always use CRC/block check 3. >3) Ever since I started playing with my settings to get *useable* >results, my transfer quits after 1 error. Is this because of the long >packet lengths? If your software supports it (many don't), setting a window size of 8 or 16 with 1k or 2k packets is typically faster than trying to use very long packets. Dunno why your transfer would quit after 1 error. If you want good Kermit performance, you might consider getting a copy of MS-Kermit for your PC. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 17:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:32:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 06:31:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wanda.pond.com!wanda.pond.com!not-for-mail From: getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Transfer Problem? Date: 6 Jan 1995 12:49:26 -0500 Organization: FishNet Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: wanda.pond.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello: I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance. I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully connect and login but cannot download files. I am trying to download a file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode. The transfer fails after several retries. My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail. I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: parity, duplex, handshake etc. What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank You. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:19:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:01:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:01:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!hopper.acm.org!ACM.ORG!JEY From: jey@ACM.ORG (Justin E. York (ANT)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need Zmodem for AXP/OpenVMS Date: 6 Jan 1995 18:19:30 GMT Organization: ACM Network Services Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ek1ji$rnv@hopper.acm.org> Reply-To: jey@ACM.ORG Nntp-Posting-Host: acm.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I know that this is a kermit newsgroup, however I'm hoping that some of the readers of this group will know where I can find a commercial (or freebie) zmodem package. We run a DEC AXP with Open VMS 6.1. Any tips or information would be greatly appreciated. Please e-mail responses to "JEY@ACM.ORG". Thanks in advance, Justin York __ +--------------------+--------------------------------------------+ | Justin E. York | JEY@ACM.org * (817) 776-5695 | | (Guarants) | Applied Network Technologies | +--------------------+--------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 18:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:32:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 07:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BLOCKS & Error Checking? Date: 6 Jan 1995 18:35:19 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3ek2h7$3df@news.halcyon.com> References: <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eioh1$3at@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >1) What are blocks? As I set packet lengths to 4096 and higher, it >reminds me to set block check to 2 or 3. Can someone tell me what block >check is? > >2) My modem software has a Checksum setting - single, double, or CRC. >My kermit program doesn't have a corresponding setting. What's the deal? These two items correspond to one another. Your Crosstalk comm. software refers to as "checksum" what kermit refers to as "block-check". Kermit Crosstalk ------ ----- set block-check 1 checksum single set block-check 2 checksum double set block-check 3 checksum CRC --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 07:15:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:00:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 08:00:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!mvb.saic.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Problem? Message-Id: <1995Jan6.131522.36806@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 13:15:22 MDT References: <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ejvr6$hqs@wanda.pond.com>, getman@wanda.pond.com (Paul Getman) writes: > Hello: > > I am new to this so please forgive my ignorance. > > I have MSDOS Kermit (3.13) and a Hayes 2400 baud modem. I successfully > connect and login but cannot download files. I am trying to download a > file from a Sun 1000 running Solaris 2.1 via a 9600 baud modem using > C-Kermit (5A(189)) in server mode. The transfer fails after several > retries. My local Kermit settings are as follows: parity none, > flow Xon/Xoff, speed 2400, handshake none, duplex full. I have tried > changing some or all of these parameters (i.e. altering the flow control > to RTS/CTS and none) but to no avail. I have read MS-DOS Kermit DOC > regarding trouble with file transfers and have tried those suggestions: > parity, duplex, handshake etc. > > What am I doing wrong? Does anyone have any suggestions? ------------- Maybe the above isn't the problem. Could you relate what message is displayed when MSK gives up, and more importantly what commands you issued on both ends to accomplish the file transfer (which is where the problem resides according to my crystal ball). Finally, the Sun end needs adequate flow control too, or it can/will overrun it's attached modem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:24:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 50 rows x 132 cols problem Message-Id: <1995Jan6.162450.36823@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:24:50 MDT References: <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan6.142436.175@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Fellow Kermitalolics, > > I use > > RUN MODE 80,50 > > to make kermit give me 80 cols by 50 rows. then I use set terminal/page=49 > to preserve the 50 status line. > > when the kermit goes to 132 cols, i go to 25 rows. then it goes back > to 80 cols. it stays 25 rows. is there a way to force it back to > 50 rows? --------------------- Because that's not a real video mode but rather a combination of actions: change the fonts to 8x8 yet retain a video mode of 3 (normal color 0x25) for video sync, change the Bios work area to say 50 lines. It's a hack. I don't know how your adapter got into such a state and thus I (MSK) can't return it to that state. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:27:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] Backspace key says, "^?" Message-Id: <1995Jan6.162705.36824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:27:05 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > DISCLAIMER: I've looked for the answer to the following question in > _Using MS-DOS Kermit_ and in the documentation included > with MS-DOS Kermit 3.13. I either couldn't find the > answer or didn't understand it if I did. > > I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 on an i80386SX machine running MS-DOS 6.0, > using a 14,400 bps Zoom VFP V.32bis modem. Kermit is set for VT220 > terminal emulation and is using the Latin1 character set and code page > CP437. I've not mucked with much in the initialization files, so you may > assume that any other parameters are still set to the "factory" defaults. > > Alas, the question: In some online environments, my backspace key behaves > as one would expect it to. In others, hitting the backspace key results > in either (1) nothing happening, or (2) the characters "^?" appearing on > the screen. I can, however, use Ctrl-H in these situations. In these > exact same online environments (e.g., vi insert mode when connected to my > dial-up UNIX shell account) under analagous circumstances, the other > terminal emulator that I use, Telemate Version 3.12, does not behave this > way. The backspace key functions as a destructive backspace. > > I presume that the change I need to make to my MS-DOS Kermit > configuration is a simple one, but I can't figure it out. And I've never > really wanted to bother to spend a lot of time trying to figure it out > myself. (I want the magic straight from the wizards' minds.) Thanks, in > advance, for taking the time to help me. ----------- SET KEY. Reread the manual on the matter. Define the Backspace key to send whatever is needed by the remote host. Control-H is Backspace, BS, decimal 8. DEL, Delete, is decimal 127. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 10:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 09:08:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 16:36:40 MDT References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server > mode. Now, I want to do the unthinkable 8) and redirect the console. > However, I'm not sure if this is possible with the setup that I have. > Here's the lowdown: one 386 running Linux, one running MS-DOS v5.0. > On the dos machine I have it setup in server mode. I'm coming in from > the Linux box. The connection is being made over a tcpip connection. > Here's where my problem is. Since I have set port tcp *, it's not > really going through any serial port. Thus, I can't use ctty to > redirct the output since this only works for serial ports. > > Am I missing something? Is there a way to do this? Do I need a ctty > clone or something? Does such a beast exist? Am I the only one who's > ever thought of doing this? Am I boring you with all of these > questions? ------------- It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. CTTY is less than inadequate. Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 6 17:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:07:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 11:07:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: !!! Help Kermit vs Gateway 2000 !!! Message-Id: <1995Jan6.232517.36863@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Jan 95 23:25:17 MDT References: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jeanlaur@lynx.cat.syr.edu (Pierre Jean-Laurent) writes: > Hi, > > I have just acquired a Gateway2000 colorbook and I am trying run ms-kermit > on it. I am unable to see what is being typed once I issue a connect > command. Still the modem is able to recognize the commands that follow > (just no echo). I have used the same setting with a ps/2 and kermit works > fine. Any help on that would be appreciated. Please contact me (if > possible) via e-mail. --------------- It's a "talk but not listen" situation, which is described at length in the release notes. In short, your machine's configuration is in need of adjustment. Please get the MS*.BWR and MS*.UPD text files from dir kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Don't let the machine win the war just because it's won this particular battle. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 17:14:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:14:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:14:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: new kermit docs Date: 8 Jan 1995 17:14:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ep6go$nue@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ed2k9$52i@sgi.iunet.it> <1995Jan3.215703.36452@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey T Berntsen wrote: >Are the protocol extensions related to resuming partial transfers and the >'RESEND' command documented anywhere. If not, will they be? > Eventually. Along with 50,000 other things, this is on our list. Between designing, writing, and documenting the software, handling untold numbers of tech-support requests each day, trying to keep this newsgroup going as a useful and informative forum, RAISING FUNDS (hint hint), and generally doing our best to keep the ship afloat and on course, a lot of things take more time than we'd like them to. There are only a few of us doing all this work. Right now we're trying to get the new releases of MS-DOS Kermit, OS/2 C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit finished. We try to focus on those items that benefit the most people, and simultaneously promote the continued health of the Kermit effort itself. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 17:22:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:46:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 12:46:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!chsun!olsen.ch!lichtin From: lichtin@olsen.ch (Martin Lichtin) Subject: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection? Message-Id: Sender: news@olsen.ch Organization: Olsen & Associates AG, Zurich, Switzerland Date: Sun, 8 Jan 1995 17:22:29 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to open and prepare the device? Is there a way to pass the UNIX file handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this? Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX. Martin From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 14:34:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:01:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:01:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Grabbing text from a remote session Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 14:34:38 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer and enter in a Support call for processing by our company. The process of entering the support call generates a sequence number for that call that needs to be given back to our client for future reference. This sequence number just appears on the screen when the information is being entered. Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the screen some how? I was thinking that I could possibly log the session to a file and then read it back from that file, but I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab it. Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use to file away the remotes responses?? Are there any other suggestions on how this could be accomplished? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 5 20:26:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 13:32:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Message-Id: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> Date: 5 Jan 95 15:26:11 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Unfortunately I require C-Kermit. Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get C-Kermit working under NT ? Last I heard someone had reserved the ck? letter for NT. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 19:16:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:16:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:16:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Grabbing text from a remote session Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:16:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3epdlo$232@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I want to have C-Kermit on a VAX dial up a remote computer >and enter in a Support call for processing by our company. >The process of entering the support call generates a sequence >number for that call that needs to be given back to >our client for future reference. This sequence number just appears >on the screen when the information is being entered. > >Is there a way that I can grab this ever-changing value off the >screen some how? I was thinking that I could possibly log the >session to a file and then read it back from that file, but >I won't be in "connect" mode so "log session" would not grab >it. Is there an appropriate "log" command that I could use >to file away the remotes responses?? > There are numerous approaches, none of them pretty. You are deeply into the area we know as "screen scraping". First of all, LOG SESSION should, indeed, work during script execution, as well as in CONNECT mode. So the brute-force approach is to LOG SESSION and then grovel through the session-log file afterwards to find the sacred number, either by hand or by program. Well, if it can be done by program, that means there is some pattern that allows you to locate the number. If that is true, then you can also use INPUT or MINPUT commands in your Kermit script to locate (say) the thing that comes just before or just after the number, and then you can pull the number out of the \v(input) buffer by using string functions such as \findex(), \fsubstring(), etc, in a Kermit script program. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 19:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:23:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:23:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can spawn'ed programs access the open connection? Date: 8 Jan 1995 19:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3epe2n$2in@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Martin Lichtin wrote: >How can I run a communications application after having used kermit to >open and prepare the device? Is there a way to pass the UNIX file >handle on? Can the RUN command be used for this? >Thanks for more information. I'm running C-Kermit 5A(188) under UNIX. > As described in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", page 232, the variable \v(ttyfd) contains the open file descriptor of the communication channel, which can be either a serial device or a TCP/IP connection (or, in the case of SunLink X.25, an X.25 connection). If your communication application accepts an arbitrary file descriptor, then you can pass it via this variable. Otherwise, you can use the redirection capabilities of certain shells, notably ksh, to redirect the fd to your communication program's stdin/stdout. Version 5A(190), the current release of C-Kermit, includes a new REDIRECT command that starts a given program with its stdin/stdout redirected to C-Kermit's open communications channel. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 06:11:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:51:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 14:51:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Server & Con Redirection Message-Id: <1995Jan7.121109.82047@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 7 Jan 95 12:11:09 CST References: <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu> <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan6.163640.36826@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3ekaf0$563@louie.udel.edu>, alexandr@stimpy.eecis.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >> >> Okay, I want to log into a computer that has kermit running in server >> mode. [snip] > It's not quite clear exactly what you want where, and what you > hope to get from it, but I'll try to decode. > I presume you want to make the DOS prompt visible across the > net to the Linux machine, by something along the lines of CTTY . > If so then it won't work. And if so what you are trying to do is run > DOS remotely via Kermit, as a Telnet daemon. That won't work either. > CTTY is less than inadequate. > Put simply, DOS is not designed to be run from a terminal. There > are some remote screen capture/keyboard stuffing programs around, such > as Carbon Copy, PC Anywhere, etc which do that job reasonably well. Running > in their cases means running on the DOS PC and the comms programs dig deeply > into the machine to capture/stuff changes to the machine. MS-DOS Kermit is > not such a program and we don't want to enter that nitch. > If I'm off base please give us some additional hints. > Joe D. I'm not going to be of any help here. In fact, I have a similar question. All I want to do is transfer files between two PCs over a modem. Is there any way to do this using kermit? There are people available on both ends, so if a command needs to be entered on each end it is no problem. I suppose I can purchase a commercial app if that's what it takes, but I would like to get kermit to do this if it can. I'm curious: my calculator (HP48 GX) can get an image of my DOS directory and put/get files by using kermit (kermit in server mode on the PC). Is there something special in the version of kermit in my calculator's ROM that allows this, or does it have something to do with using a direct serial link instead of a modem? Thanks for any replies, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 7 20:23:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 15:12:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!access4.digex.net!cmilton From: Chris Milton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Avatex 2400E modem info Date: Sat, 7 Jan 1995 15:23:29 -0500 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 21 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: access4.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My library received an Avatex 2400E modem as a gift with no documentation. We haven't found an address or phone number for Avatex. We need at least some idea what the dialing codes are for this thing. Any help would be appreciated. All the info I have: uses RJ11C outlet and DB-25 RS-232-C female port indicator lights Power TR SD RD HS CD OH AA Communications Canada # 875 3075 A Ringer Equiv 0.7B DOC load # 6 Serial Number 1310065 Made in Thailand --- Christopher M Milton cmilton@access.digex.net Arlington (VA) Central Library (703) 358-5945 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 22:59:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 18:03:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!eff!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.kth.se!usenet From: kubat@polymer.kth.se (Micke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exit on NO CARRIER Date: 8 Jan 1995 22:59:41 GMT Organization: KTH Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3epqot$cra@news.kth.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: kubat.physchem.kth.se Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Friends, Is there anyone who can tell me how to get a Kermit script to exit Kermit when NO CARRIER. I have a script that automatically dials selected numbers and connect with password and everything, but when the connection is over I have to press ALT-X. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 23:01:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:03:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 19:03:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.kth.se!news.ifm.liu.se!news.lysator.liu.se!pi92mti From: pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: long block protocol Date: 08 Jan 1995 23:01:03 GMT Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci. Soft Center, Ronneby Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.pt.hk-r.se Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"? Where can I get information on it? -- Magnus Timmerby pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 8 12:46:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:03:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:03:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: long block protocol Message-Id: <1995Jan8.184629.37000@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Jan 95 18:46:29 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , pi92mti@jupiter.pt.hk-r.se (Magnus Timmerby) writes: > What is "Kermit Long Block Protocol"? > Where can I get information on it? > > -- > Magnus Timmerby pi92mti@pt.hk-r.se ----------- I think you mean long packets, since in Kermit-speak "block" refers to the kind of checksum. Long packets are a standard part of the Kermit protocol, have been since goodness knows when (going on a decade, +/- 5%). It's not a protocol b t a feature of the Kermit protocol. For the rules on the matter please see the official reference: the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, 1987, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 02:57:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:57:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 8 Jan 1995 21:57:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 Ready for Testing Date: 9 Jan 1995 02:57:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3eq8mc$g4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS, Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-18 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, Jan 8, 1995, 9:50pm Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-17 include: . A macro which is invoked with no arguments now (once again) sees its argc value as 1, rather than 10. . SET STOP-BITS { 1, 2 } added to accommodate devices that really do need 2 stop bits. Yes, there really is at least one (it's a lathe). . SET FOSSIL DISABLE-ON-CLOSE { OFF, ON } allows control of whether fossil driver is "deinitialized" by Kermit upon close or exit. See KERMIT.UPD for details. . Dialing script added for MegaHertz/Telepath PCMCIA V.32bis data/fax modem. . More TCP/IP performance tweaks. . A Telnet options negotiation bug that was introduced in Beta-17 is fixed. . A problem with the TAKE command finding files when full path not given, fixed. . Minor bug with TAKE files whose last line is not properly terminated, fixed. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 06:05:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:30:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 01:30:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2 questions Date: 9 Jan 1995 06:05:57 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns. The suns uses c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think). 1. Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc.. Is it possible for me to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.? 2. It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of kermit are superior to the normal telnet. Is it possible to use those telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit into Server mode and use its telnet. Is there any possible benifit to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on the Unix system? Sorry if I have not used the right tech terms By the way, thankyou for fixing the mail command in mskermit. I think that I one of the few people on earth who uses that function. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 13:55:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:55:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 08:55:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 questions Date: 9 Jan 1995 13:55:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 74 Message-Id: <3erf8q$1rl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Initialization, Telnet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, wrote: >I use ms Kermit to connect via telephone modem to my university Suns. > The suns uses >c-kermit (about 2 versions back I think). >1. Every time I do file transfers I must reset several variables in >c-kermit; flow control, windows, blocks etc.. Is it possible for me >to have these commands as a script or macro in my home directory. > Yes, all of the above, as explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". The recommended method is to install the standard C-Kermit initialization file, .kermrc, in your home directory, and then create a .mykermrc file, also in your home directory, containing the desired customization commands. For those who don't like the standard .kermrc file (which sets up such items as your services directory, dialing directory, etc), just make a .kermrc file. >How would I tell c-kermit to use that script.? > See above. You can also tell C-Kermit to use any file at all as its initialization file, using the -y command-line option: kermit -y filename And at any time C-Kermit is showing its prompt, you can tell it to execute commands from a file: C-Kermit> take filename And you can define macros and execute them like so: C-Kermit> define fast set rec packet-length 2000, set window 4 C-Kermit> fast And you can put the macro definitions in your initialization file or any other file that you can "take". All of this is explained in the manual. >2. It has been suggested in the past that the telnet capabilites of >kermit are superior to the normal telnet. Is it possible to use those >telnet capabilties with my modem connection. I mean can I put c-kermit >into Server mode and use its telnet. Is there any possible benifit >to gained by doing this over the normal telnet capabilites that are on >the Unix system? > You mean, after dialing up to your Unix system, you want to know why you might want to use C-Kermit instead of telnet to connect to another system on the Internet? The advantages include: . Kermit is more user-friendly ("help", "?", command and filename completion, etc). . The telnet implementation works in some cases where regular telnet does not. . Kermit has scripting (automation) capability; telnet does not. . Kermit has (in the UNIX version, a limited form of) key mapping; telnet doesn't. . Kermit can convert among many different character sets, telnet can't. . Kermit has session logging, telnet doesn't. . Kermit can make 8-bit telnet connections; some telnet clients can't. . Kermit can transfer files over a telnet connection, telnet can't. The last point is important in the increasing number of cases where the telnetted-to host or service does not provide ftp; e.g. Internet BBSs, or Internet versions of commercial dialup services. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 9 23:21:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:04:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 9 Jan 1995 20:04:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.oleane.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!pasteur.fr!pasteur.fr!not-for-mail From: dan@pasteur.fr (Daniel Azuelos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ? Date: 10 Jan 1995 00:21:10 +0100 Organization: Institut Pasteur, Paris, France Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: mendel.sis.pasteur.fr Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type 8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet) are used to do it on any Mac. As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected: displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9. Is this possible ? What should I do ? May I do (write, program) it ? Thanx for any hint. -- dan ``Et pourtant ga tourne....'' From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 05:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:05:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:02:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!billmaly From: billmaly@iastate.edu (WhoWantsTaKnow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers Date: 10 Jan 1995 05:08:23 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa (USA) Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3et4o7$9hl@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: des1.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where might I find it? Any help is appreciated. -- Bill Maly billmaly@iastate.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 05:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:21:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 02:21:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latest KERMIT for DOS to UNIX transfers Date: 10 Jan 1995 05:48:20 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3et734$jg8@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> References: <3et4o7$9hl@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu WhoWantsTaKnow (billmaly@iastate.edu) wrote: : I want to download files(quickly if possible) from my UNIX account to my : DOS PC at home. What is the best version of KERMIT for this and where : might I find it? Any help is appreciated. : -- : Bill Maly : billmaly@iastate.edu ftp to kermit.columbia.edu in directory /kermit/test/bin get the file mstibm.zip This is the latest beta version. I also suggest that you get the manual "Using Ms-Dos Kermit" 2nd edition by Christine M. Gianone Digital press $34.95 isbn 1-55558-082-3 You may also want the Manual for Unix it is "Kermit: a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz $29.95 To order these directly from the publisher dial 1 800 344 4825 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 14:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:01:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 09:01:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit .991(190) 8bits ? Date: 10 Jan 1995 14:00:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3eu3up$e8p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3esgd6INN4dm@mendel.sis.pasteur.fr>, Daniel Azuelos wrote: >When using Mac Kermit .991(190) I'd like to be able to type >8bits character, much the same way we (on this side of the planet) >are used to do it on any Mac. > >As an example, 'Alt-e e' should give an 'e acute' both on the >screen and on the host computer to which I'm connected: >displayed as i, and sent to the computer as 0xe9. > You should be able to do it. Please read the ckmker.bwr file that accompanies Mac Kermit 0.991(190). You will see there are many shortcomings in the international character-set support, but it still can be done. You have to tell Kermit (in the Terminal settings) to allow 8-bit characters, and you have to select Latin-1 as the character-set. The big problem is with entering 8-bit characters. Since Mac Kermit's font is not a regular system font, but rather a built-in one, you can't use Keycaps in the normal way, which is frustrating. Nevertheless, you should be able to enter 8-bit characters in the normal way, provided you have not done anything to the Alt (Option?) key in the Modifiers dialog of the Key Settings menu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 10 18:54:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:49:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 17:48:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!portal.gmu.edu!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Strange characters Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 10 Jan 1995 18:54:40 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version) over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect to my an RS/6000 running AIX. When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes complete garbage, i.e. all the characters that were once normal, switch to bizarre characters. I know this is a C-Kermit caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times in the past with no ill effects. What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt, or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem??? It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx, and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application that I ran. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 01:15:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:15:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 10 Jan 1995 20:15:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strange characters Date: 11 Jan 1995 01:15:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3evbf2$oc1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >I log into my account using C-Kermit for VAX (the latest version) >over a 14.4 modem into a Cisco terminal server and connect >to my an RS/6000 running AIX. > Which version of AIX? >When I use the WWW via Lynx, sometimes the screen becomes >complete garbage, i.e. all the characters that were once >normal, switch to bizarre characters. I know this is a C-Kermit >caused phenomenon, as I've dialed using DTEPAD many many times >in the past with no ill effects. > First you have to tell us what you are using for a terminal or terminal emulator. Then you would need to describe the garbage in greater detail. Is it a jumble of line- and box-drawing characters? Or is it a lot of accented letters? >What kind of "set"'s can I do before I dial, at the Cisco prompt, >or on my AIX machine that might alleviate this problem??? > >It appears to happen mostly when I'm "arrowing" around in Lynx, >and I suspect would happen on any other full screen application >that I ran. > First, carefully check your terminal type in AIX. Be sure it is not AIXTERM! If it is, change it to vt-whatever (depending on your terminal or emulator). Next, be sure to tell C-Kermit to: set terminal bytesize 8 set command bytesize 8 as described in the manual, for accessing an 8-bit application like Lynx (or rn, or trn, etc). Finally, depending on exactly what kind of text you are accessing with Lynx, and what your terminal or emulator is, be sure to set either C-Kermit or your terminal (emulator) for the proper character-set translations. If this is not enough to get things working for you, send me e-mail with the details and maybe a session log. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 12:38:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:02:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!zeus!glald From: glald@zeus.bris.ac.uk (AL. Davies) Subject: Is there an FAQ ? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 12:38:13 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? I'd like to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem, and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in. Any help greatly appreciated! Cheers, Alastair Davies University of Bristol U.K. alastair.davies@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 13:47:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:13:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:13:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!news.dell.com!tadpole.com!uunet!senior.nectec.or.th!morakot!sompop From: sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Status line is overwritten Date: 11 Jan 1995 13:47:50 GMT Organization: National Electronics and Computer Technology Center, Bangkok Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: morakot.nectec.or.th X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. The TERM environment is set to VT320. DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared after redraw screen. Thanks, Sompop Kumnoonsate sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 14:20:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:20:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:20:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there an FAQ ? Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:20:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3f0pfi$4b7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , AL. Davies wrote: >I can't find the FAQ for this newsgroup. Is there one ? > Yes. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT. >I'd like >to see it, as I've just installed kermit on a PC with a modem, >and was wondering if kermit could be left (in some mode) to answer >the phone as a server, and dish out files to whoever calls in. > This is not covered in the FAQ because it is covered in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", chapters 10 and 11: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $34.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $45 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 14:43:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:43:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 09:43:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten Date: 11 Jan 1995 14:43:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3f0qpq$63u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Status line Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>, Sompop Kumnoonsate wrote: >Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? > It is, by default. >I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. >The TERM environment is set to VT320. >DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character >will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first >line will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be >disappeared after redraw screen. > The vt320 has 24 regular lines and one status line. The status line should not be addressed by regular cursor-positioning commands like [25;1H, but rather by: CSI Ps $ } DECSASD Select active status display Ps = 0 select main display Ps = 1 select status line Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }. CSI Ps $ ~ DECSSDT Select Status Line Type Ps meaning 0 no status line (empty) 1 indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default) 2 host-writable line Check your vt320 termcap entry. There are items such as "hs, "ds", "es", "fs", "ts", and "ws" that are used to handle the status line. Note that Kermit protects its status line from ordinary screen operations. It does not scroll, it does not disappear when the screen is cleared, etc. However, Kermit does allow the status line to be addressed directly by the host via [25;xH, because this is commonly used by host applications like sysline, etc. Some OTHER applications apparently rely on the fact that if you address a line (row) number that is greater than the actual number of lines, that the cursor will go to the last line. (One program that absolutely relies on this fact is "resize".) The problem comes in when we address "last line plus one" -- the purpose of this direct addressing is ambiguous. So we have two classes of applications whose use of [25;xH are in direct conflict with each other. The solution, in UNIX at least, is to cook up separate termcap/terminfo entries for the two variations. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 05:57:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:28:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:28:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line is overwritten Message-Id: <1995Jan11.115728.37354@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jan 95 11:57:28 MDT References: <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f0ni6$fic@senior.nectec.or.th>, sompop@morakot.nectec.or.th (Sompop Kumnoonsate) writes: > Is there a way to set kermit to display only 24 lines? It does. > I use kermit 3.14 beta 8 to connect to DEC Alpha OSF 3.0. > The TERM environment is set to VT320. > DEC always sends [25;1H when I use "more" and the next character > will display over status line. If the screen is scrolled the first line > will show the last line of previous screen. But it will be disappeared > after redraw screen. That's a mistake in OSF. Kermit has provided access to the status line, for many many years, by allowing it to be targeted directly via such a cursor steering command. Real VT300's will put the cursor on line 24 rather than 25 (or whatever the status line is in Kermit, depending on screen length). I suggest having a look at the termcap/terminfo material on your system and change the item which mistakenly references line 25. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 18:40:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:35:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:35:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is name of DOS initialization file? Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 13:40:28 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 03:15:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:38:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:38:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 22:15:10 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc). Suddenly my backspace vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters. Has anyone else had this problem in Caucus or elsewhere? Any solutions? __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 11 17:31:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:06:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:06:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!indyunix.iupui.edu!rjfortho Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Strange characters Message-Id: <1995Jan11.123136.11637@ivax> From: rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () Date: 11 Jan 95 12:31:36 -0500 References: <3evbf2$oc1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: indyunix.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I had a similar problem - whenever I got noise on the line the terminal would go to a graphics character set. I circumvented the problem by setting all the graphic character tables to the same character set. For example: set term char ascii g0 g1 g2 g3 I don't know if this is the same problem, but you might give it a shot. I'm sure Frank could give a more technical explanation. Russ Forthofer From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 13:54:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:54:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:54:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file? Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:54:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? > It's called MSKERMIT.INI. You can download the manual from your local bookstore: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 13:55:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:55:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 08:55:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bug in Kermit/Caucus interface: no backspace Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:55:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3f3cdd$4rj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I dialed into a BBS that uses Caucus (Echonyc). Suddenly my backspace >vanished -- it kept producing control-B characters. Has anyone else had >this problem in Caucus or elsewhere? Any solutions? > Please consult our new FAQ: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 16:57:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:10:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:10:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dircon!news From: edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 12 Jan 1995 16:57:51 GMT Organization: Edge & Ellison Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aa053.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, they are: AT&F8 AT&f0 AT&w0 ATZ But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 17:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:24:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 13:24:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!tem From: tem@scout.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 12 Jan 1995 17:49:26 GMT Organization: HSU Library Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.CSU.net> Reply-To: tem@scout.humboldt.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: scout.humboldt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 terminal? Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for F1, etc. Thanks, tom From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 18:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:58:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 14:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umd.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 12 Jan 1995 13:28:45 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umd.edu In-Reply-To: edge@dircon.co.uk's message of 12 Jan 1995 16:57:51 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spencer Clay: AT&F8 AT&f0 AT&w0 ATZ But we want to be able to send these commands directly to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. How about kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13 ? [omit the set port if you're on com 1], omit the set speed if it's already set right. Include the path to kermit if it's not already in your path. call kermit kermit.exe if there's a kermit.bat that conflicts.. Newer versions of kermit may have a different command line syntax?] -- Raul D. Miller N=:((*/pq)&|)@ NB. public e, y, n=:*/pq P=:*N/@:# NB. */-.,e e.&factors t=:*/<:pq 1=t|e*d NB. ((1&=@| 2&^@<:)*./@,(>&(2^1024)))pq x-:d P,:y=:e P,:x NB. (d P,:y)-:D P*:N^:(i.#D)y [. D=:|.@#.d From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 15:51:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:03:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 17:03:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!usenet From: Steve Layten Subject: ms-kermit and PCTCP Message-Id: <1995Jan12.155107.21458@chemabs.uucp> Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 15:51:07 GMT Lines: 87 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've just spent a frustrating few days trying to get ms-kermit set up on a PC using FTP Software's PCTCP under Windows for Workgroups 3.11. There were several difficulties, but I now think I have a setup that works (mostly). I scoured the docs in the latest beta release of ms-kermit in the networks directory. I read the bwr file, the help file, etc., but still had trouble. Part of the trouble is a "user hostile" environment in my organization -- We have a site license for FTP Software's PCTCP, and limited copies of the documentation. Our network folks are too busy "solving real problems" to help internal users set up their machines in any "non-standard" setup. "Use what we give you -- it works for us." is implicit, whether we like the setup or not. First, I'd like to thank J. Doupnik for his good work. I've been using MS-Kermit for years to access my UNIX system at work from home. What a quality product! Now, I'd like to correct an error in and expand upon Section 4.1 of the file "setup.doc" in the networks directory. ---- Begin corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------ (4.1) FTP Software Inc. PC/TCP. Use the FTP Telnet interface TNGLASS and run Kermit from it. tnglass host.domain -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe (The spaces between "-c" and "0" and "-e" and "kermit.exe" are required.) This example uses communication port 1 (-c0) so tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1, and the -i option says to keep the TCP connection alive until the terminal emulator (Kermit) has started using the Int 14h communications pathway. The TNGLASS interface causes the "ENTER" key to send pairs, as specified in the Telnet protocol specification. This may cause some problems in connecting to UNIX machines. I found that using "stty igncr" helped, along with "set key \284 \10" to re-map the "ENTER" key to send a newline. (Using "set term newline off" and/or "set tcp newline off" didn't seem to help.) My configuration: Gateway 2000 P90 machine 3C5X9 network card? (I'm real fuzzy here.) MS-DOS 6.22 Windows for Workgroups V3.11 FTP Software's PCTCP software, with \pctcp\3c5x9pd.com and \pctcp\vxdinit.exe loaded in autoexec.bat (I'm not sure what version of PCTCP, but TNGLASS reports V3.0.) My tnglass.pif has "hostname -c 3 -i -e kermit.exe" supplied as command-line arguments, and in my mscustom.ini, I've specified "Set port BIOS4" Here's output from "stty -a" on a SunOS 4.1.X Sparcstation 2: speed 38400 baud, 24 rows, 80 columns parenb -parodd cs7 -cstopb -hupcl cread -clocal -crtscts -ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr igncr -icrnl -iuclc ixon -ixany -ixoff imaxbel isig -iexten icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh -tostop echoctl -echoprt echoke opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel erase kill werase rprnt flush lnext susp intr quit stop eof ^H ^U ^W ^R ^O ^V ^Z/^Y ^? ^\ ^S/^Q ^D I hope this is helpful! Steve Layten (slayten@cas.org) ---- END corrected/updated section 4.1 of file networks/setup.doc ------ I now seem to have just one more problem. When using 'vi' on my UNIX host, at times I get "beeps" in ms-kermit like it has lost characters. I see it when 'vi' is "wrapping" a fairly large word (set wm=6, type a word near the right margin, and 'vi' moves the word to the next line). I also seem to see it when I use the '^w' key in input mode to erase a word. The word is not completely erased, and the cursor is not in the right place. I'm not sure what to change to prevent ms-kermit from losing the characters. Any insights would be appreciated. Thanks again especially to J. Doupnik and Frank da Cruz for their support, and Thanks in advance to any of you that can help. Steve Layten From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 12 06:59:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:34:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 12 Jan 1995 19:34:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!bronze.ucs.indiana.edu!jawarric From: jawarric@ucs.indiana.edu (Jeff Warrick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ** Kermit Quits after 1 Error: Why? Date: 12 Jan 1995 06:59:22 GMT Organization: Indiana University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: silver.ucs.indiana.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits after 1 error has occurred. The error is usually a 'Bad Block' (nothing important). I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even transfer big files because of this. Here is the 'show' from my kermit: C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0 Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/tty, speed: 0, mode: remote, modem: direct Parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 3 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 2 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 900 900 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 10 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Debugging Log: none Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 512 Collide: rename Session Log: none Longest pathname: 255 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my computer and I get great transfer rate. I'm using a GW2000 computer, Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem. The only other settings I can play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks so much! From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 02:01:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:27:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 01:27:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!jmurphy From: jmurphy@uoguelph.ca (Janice Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS Kermit and Novell NASI Date: 13 Jan 1995 02:01:44 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3f4mu8$mem@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to automate a dialing script with the latest Kermit beta to connect to a NASI server (Netware Connect on our Novell 3.12 Fileserver) and can do it manually fine but not script wise. Any pointers from this group. The following is what I would like to happen: c:\kermit\kermit ... .... initialize the setup,keys, etc def modem take sport.scr set speed 19200 set port novell out connect dialout \13 modem T555-1212 connect What happens after the out connect dialout \13 is OK, but when I say modem T555-1212 I am back at the NASI 1:1> prompt. GO FIGURE :) Any clues as how to get my script working automatically with Netware Conenct and NASI. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 12:51:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:59:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 07:59:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!dircon!news From: edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 13 Jan 1995 12:51:15 GMT Organization: Edge & Ellison Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3f5t03$jqf@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aa049.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rockwell@nova.umd.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) says: >kermit set port com2, set speed 9600, output AT&F8&f0&w0Z\13 THANKS !!!! This solution worked perfectly Spencer. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 14:41:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:41:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:41:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ** Kermit Quits after 1 Error: Why? Date: 13 Jan 1995 14:41:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3f63e0$raa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f2k0a$a8v@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, Jeff Warrick wrote: >I have been playing around, and I still can't figure out why kermit quits >after 1 error has occurred. The error is usually a 'Bad Block' (nothing >important). I would greatly appreciate any advice, since I can't even >transfer big files because of this. Here is the 'show' from my kermit: > >C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SCO ODT 3.0 >... >The packet-length, window size, block check are all the same on my >computer and I get great transfer rate. I'm using a GW2000 computer, >Crosstalk for Windows, and a 14.4 modem. The only other settings I can >play with on Crosstalk are prefixes, and I don't want to play with them. > You'll have to ask the Crosstalk people about it. C-Kermit 5A (current version is 190) works fine with MS-DOS Kermit and gets terrific transfer rates. Try MS-DOS Kermit and see if the same thing happens to you. If it does, we'll be glad to help out by looking at packet logs, etc, but Crosstalk is an unknown quantity to us, and is supported by the Crosstalk people. MS-DOS Kermit: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/bin, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 14:49:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:49:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 09:49:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 13 Jan 1995 14:49:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3f63tb$rr7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.csu.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.csu.net>, Tom Mendenhall wrote: >Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 >terminal? > It emulates a Wyse 50. To the best of our knowledge, a Wyse 60 is just a Wyse 50 with some emulations for other terminal types added. >Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard >scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal >requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for >F1, etc. > No, Kermit does not send scan codes, and does not allow the status line to be used as a regular screen line. Yes, you can map keys to send anything you want using SET KEY, and you can use Kermit in most common video modes: 80x25, 80x43, 80x60, etc, but the bottom line is always special. When using Kermit to access your UnixWare system, you have a number of emulations to choose from, but they all work more or less like real terminals, not like system consoles. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 19:28:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:28:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 14:28:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released Date: 13 Jan 1995 19:28:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period is over; thanks to all of you who participated! For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 03:36:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: What is name of DOS initialization file? X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:36:40 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: <8LV5lqo7IRLL075yn@ritz.mordor.com> Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12.Jan.1995 In article <3f3caf$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article , > Michael Pollak wrote: > >I have things to put in it, but I don't know what it's called. And does > >anyone know where I can download the manual for Kermit for DOS? > > > It's called MSKERMIT.INI. You can download the manual from your local > bookstore: > > Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital > Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN > 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the > IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. > > - Frank ROFLMAO!!! :-) "You can download the manual from your local bookstore" :-> Pardon my silliness, but I got a kick out of how you worded it, Frank :-) -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 13 03:39:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 13 Jan 1995 17:41:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 03:39:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 12.Jan.1995 [response e-mailed and posted] In article <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk>, edge@dircon.co.uk (Spencer Clay) wrote: > Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, > By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). > We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, > they are: > AT&F8 > AT&f0 > AT&w0 > ATZ > But we want to be able to send these commands directly > to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. > Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! It depends what communications port your modem uses. Try the following - one of which will probably work. C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM1: C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM1: C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM1: C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM1: or C:\> ECHO AT&F8 > COM2: C:\> ECHO AT&f0 > COM2: C:\> ECHO AT&w0 > COM2: C:\> ECHO ATZ > COM2: Most modems are set up at COM1: or COM2:. From what I can gather with these commands, from this point onward, you should be able to use your modem with programs like Kermit without any further tinkering. [but I don't remember my AT command set tonight, so I could be wrong - I know AT&W generally writes the current settings of the modem "permanently" in its NVRAM (non-volitile RAM - that means that it doesn't disappear when you shut the modem off) Hope this helps. Perhaps others will give better suggestions. -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 14 13:05:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:37:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 08:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: sven@oslonett.no (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 14 Jan 1995 14:05:11 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all. Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups and TCP/IP 32? In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a Packet driver. That works fine. However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work. Could anyone please lead a novice to better understandig of Kermit?? Hope to hear from you. sven@oslonett.no [Sven Andreassen] --- 7 WinQwk 2.0 a#0 7 Unregistered Evaluation Copy From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 14 20:15:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 21:14:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 14 Jan 1995 21:14:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 20:15:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 14.Jan.1995 In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows > was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period > is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > > For a more detailed announcement, see comp.protocols.kermit.announce. > > - Frank Wonderful! :-) I saved the announcement - when I get my first paycheck at this new job next week, I'll be putting in my order for the manual. [I know it's silly, but I waited to order the manual until version 3.14, as I wanted an "official" 3.14 on diskette --- even though I'll be downloading 3.14 from the ftp site now!] Thanks for the great product, Frank and Joe and all folks who contributed towards the Kermit effort! This Kermit-fan isn't disappointed in the least! Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? Ken -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 02:36:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:01:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:01:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU!BDESIMON From: BDESIMON@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Bert DeSimone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270 Date: Sun, 15 Jan 95 07:36:11 EST Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 17 Message-Id: <173276AEB.BDESIMON@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Gotta figure this has come up before. We are evaluating a terminal server that supports tn3270. No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe. However, file transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail. Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer. (BTW: I don't have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way). I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing the problem. Soooo, if anybody using tn3270 has successfully transferred files from an IBM mainframe using Kermit, I would appreciate any information. Thanks in advance ... From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 16:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 11:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 11:43:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Communicating at 28.8 ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 16:26:57 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics 28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 03:44:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 12:24:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released Message-Id: <1995Jan15.094408.37889@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jan 95 09:44:08 MDT References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) writes: > kudut@ritz.mordor.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > 14.Jan.1995 > > In article <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >> >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit > under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? ----- The makefile explains: MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 20:35:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:35:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:35:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 15 Jan 1995 20:35:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: > >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 20:59:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:58:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28542 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 15:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 15 Jan 1995 20:59:19 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3fc2b7$p9k@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? Get a newer version of C-Kermit, which will support set speed 115200 You are using a 16550x UART, aren't you? -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 15 08:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:14:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 15 Jan 1995 21:14:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is released X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3f6k83$icf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan15.094408.37889@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sun, 15 Jan 1995 08:34:46 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 15.Jan.1995 > >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 for the IBM PC and compatibles with DOS or Windows > >> was released on Thursday, January 12, 1995. The Beta testing period > >> is over; thanks to all of you who participated! > > > P.S. to Joe D. - what did you compile the source code for Kermit > > under? What directory is it available in - /kermit/a? > ----- > The makefile explains: > MASM v6, Microsoft C v7. MSC v6 or MS Quick C will compile the C > modules too. Sources are in directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Thanks Joe! I'm in the process of learning C [after being a longtime BASIC and Pascal person], and want to "play". There's another IBM-PC environment that I want to port Kermit to, but my knowledge of C and ASM (and of the pertinant software developer's kit) is *very* limited at the moment to simple things - so I'm months from being ready to talk to Frank about it. Ken -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 12:12:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:37:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:37:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!eur.nl!news.fgg.eur.nl!coh-236-236.pc.fgg.eur.nl!Clotsche From: Clotsche@coh.fgg.eur.nl (P. CLOTSCHER @ COH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disable internal commands? Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:12:28 GMT Organization: Erasmus University Rotterdam Lines: 44 Distribution: everyone Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: coh-236-236.pc.fgg.eur.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject: Disable internal commands? Reply-to: Clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 Dear Kermit Users, Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal emulation)? I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like 'disable ...' would be nicer (?). Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling. The reason: We want to use MS-kermit 3.13 for making an automated script-directed TCP/IP connection to a HP9000/720 unix host, login, run a program on the host (only screen-info as output), logout, and return to DOS after quitting the unix-application. During the session the user may not be able to return to the KERMIT> prompt (Alt-X, or ^]C), may not access the escape-menu (^].... for sending breaks, toggle capturing, etc., etc.). However, all other ctrl- and alt-keys, and cursor controls must remain intact. The script is running fine and everything that we want is working O.K. (we love Kermit's scripting facilities!!). The only wish now is to secure the procedure for the users to prevent unwanted effects caused by accidentally used keys. Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in a script-file in the output command? We have a DOS-variable 'GROUP' which content we want to pass to the unix-host. I think we must use someting like "$GROUP". Is this correct? Thank you for your help! Sincerely, Pim Clotscher Erasmus University Rotterdam - NL I&A - Computer Support Hoboken Tel. +31-104087420 / Fax +31-104362719 E-mail (Internet): clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 12:36:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:48:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 07:48:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:36:50 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: | > | >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics | >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there | >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line | >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? | You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head. Could you give me an "idiot proof" response? (-; -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 15:59:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 10:59:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 16 Jan 1995 15:59:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no>, Sven Andreassen wrote: >Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >and TCP/IP 32? > Yes. >In our company we have 3-400 users running Kermit over Lan manager and a >Packet driver. That works fine. However some users need Windows for >Workgroups, and then a packet driver will not work. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive discussion of this problem. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC for the information you are asking for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 16:46:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:46:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:46:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit File Transfer and tn3270 Date: 16 Jan 1995 16:46:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 169 Message-Id: <3fe7sq$p0a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173276AEB.BDESIMON@uga.cc.uga.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Mainframe, 3270 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173276AEB.BDESIMON@uga.cc.uga.edu>, Bert DeSimone wrote: >Gotta figure this has come up before. We are evaluating a terminal server >that supports tn3270. No problem using MS-Kermit to connect to the terminal >server and connect via tn3270 to an IBM mainframe. However, file >transfers (either invoking server on the mainframe or not) always fail. >Connecting through this same terminal server to the same mainframe >through a 7171 presents *no* problem with file transfer. (BTW: I don't >have to be using tn3270 on a terminal server; file transfers with Kermit >using tn3270 on a Unix host fail the same way). > >I am speculating that the mainframe Kermit must send a transparent mode >sequence, ordinarily processed by the protocol converter, that is causing >the problem. > One of the major strengths of the Kermit protocol is its ability to transfer files with IBM mainframes over a wide variety of connection types, and there is an excellent Kermit software program for the IBM mainframe, which is available for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO (and ROSCOE), CICS, and MUSIC. The current version is 4.3.0, with version 4.3.1 in beta test. All of the Kermit books and manuals ("Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", "Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", and the IBM mainframe Kermit online manuals) describe the process(es) in some detail. Here is a brief summary. Half-duplex (local-echo), line-at-a-time connections are generally handled by the "ibm" macro that is built in to MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, which performs the following protocol-related settings: set local-echo on set parity mark set flow none set handshake xon Full-screen sessions go through a 3270 terminal emulator. This can reside anywhere between the client software (such as MS-DOS Kermit) and the mainframe. For the past 10 or 20 years, the most common place to find the 3270 emulator was on a special purpose "protocol converter": a box that has serial lines on one side and a connection to the mainframe on the other. This box generally works by tricking the mainframe into thinking it is a "control unit" with multiple 3270 terminals attached, and at the same time tricking the terminals into thinking they are communicating with a "normal" ASCII character-at-a-time host. The box converts between 3270 data streams and ASCII terminal (e.g. VT100) conventions. This includes ASCII/EBCDIC character-set conversion, cursor positioning and screen painting, and keystroke interpretation. As you can imagine, all of these conversions would normally have a disastrous effect on Kermit protocol packets, and also upon any other type of data that has to be transmitted "as is", without conversion, such as graphics terminal directives. Thus, many protocol converters support a "transparent mode", that allows the mainframe host to command them to turn off their conversion functions, and at a later time, turn them back on. When everything works as planned, the only Kermit commands required for going through the protocol converter are: set flow xon/xoff ; (usually) set parity even ; (or other) Everything else corresponds to the normal Kermit defaults (remote echo, no "handshake", etc). Unfortunately, the method for entering and leaving transparent mode differs from one 3270 emulation product to another. Ideally, there are two components: (1) the identification phase, in which the mainframe software issues a special instruction that causes the protcol converter to respond in a unique (but harmless) way; and (2) the actual enter- and exit-transparent-mode directives. IBM Mainframe Kermit needs to know which kind of transparency, if any, is used by the protocol converter so it can be put into transparent mode at the beginning of packet protocol and taken out of it upon return to interactive command mode. There are several ways that mainframe Kermit can go about this. First, you can use the SET CONTROLLER command to tell it which style of transparency is used by the protocol converter. Second, mainframe Kermit can be set up by the system administrator to always use a particular style. Third, it can attempt to "autodiscover" the controller type by issuing various types of identification queries and checking the results. The third method is not very reliable, however, since many types of protocol converters fail to respond to these queries even when they do implement a particular style of transparency. Nowadays, special-purpose protocol converters are giving way to general purpose terminal and compute servers that include a "tn3270" function. tn3270 is a special kind of TELNET program that also performs 3270 emulation, and requires that the mainframe be on TCP/IP network and have a TN3270 server. Here are two examples: 1. UNIX tn3270. Most UNIX systems come with a tn3270 program that lets you make a full-screen connection to an IBM mainframe. Once you have made the connection, you should be able to start Kermit on the mainframe, give it a SEND, RECEIVE, or SERVER command, escape back to your terminal emulator (e.g. MS-DOS Kermit), and transfer files without any special settings. If you have trouble with this, then: . Ask mainframe Kermit to "show controller". If it doesn't say Series/1, then tell it to "set controller series1". . Try using shorter packets. The maximum length that can pass through the protocol converter might be less than what you are trying to use. A typical maximum value might be 1700. . Tell one or both Kermit programs to "set parity space". 2. Cisco terminal server tn3270. Current releases of Cisco terminal server software include a tn3270 feature that is supposed to permit Kermit transfers, but it has bugs. Sometimes these bugs can be worked around by using the methods listed in (1) above and specifying VERY short packets, like 30 or 40 bytes. Sometimes they can't be worked around at all. A future release of Cisco software (probably 10.3) will include new tn3270 software that implements Series/1-style transparency correctly, and allows Kermit transfers of both text and binary files in both directions using packet lengths up to about 1900 (or whatever the total screen size is). If you try all of these workarounds with your terminal server and still get failed transfers, make packet logs and/or debug logs in both Kermit programs to find out what the terminal server is delivering to each Kermit program, and report the misbehavior to your terminal server vendor. For further information about specific protocol converters and how to configure IBM Mainframe Kermit for them, please read the ik0aaa.hlp file that comes with IBM Mainframe Kermit. Finally, it is possible to transfer files through a 3270 fullscreen connection even when 3270 emulator can't be put into transparent mode at all. You can read about this in the C-Kermit update notes file (ckcker.upd) and the MS-DOS Kermit update notes files (KERMIT.UPD). Quoting from the latter: "Doomsday Kermit" (DDK) techniques allow file transfer with IBM mainframes through 3270 protocol converters that do NOT support transparent mode, to be used in conjunction with IBM Mainframe Kermit's SET CONTROLLER FULLSCREEN command on VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, or CICS. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 or later and IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.2.3 or later required. Commands: SET PARITY EVEN ; Or whatever SET FLOW XON/XOFF ; Or whatever SET SEND START 62 ; Greater-than sign SET RECEIVE START 62 ; Ditto SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 ; New block-check type SET HANDSHAKE NONE BLANK-FREE-2 is a new block-check type, exactly like type 2, except encoded to never contains blanks. Give IBM Mainframe Kermit the following commands: SET CONTROLLER FULL SET SEND START 62 SET RECEIVE START 62 SET BLOCK BLANK-FREE-2 SET HANDSHAKE 0 Doomsday Kermit file transfers are not as reliable as regular Kermit protocol transfers, and they are much slower. Use this method only as a last resort; that is, only when you can't get a transparent-mode fullscreen connection or a linemode connection to the mainframe. (end quote) And beyond finally: in the future, we expect to add 3270 emulation to the Kermit software itself, so you will be able to make tn3270 connections directly from Kermit to the mainframe without having to go through a "black box" for the conversion. Of course, Kermit software will handle transparency correctly (and automatically). (And no, I can't estimate when built-in 3270 emulation will be available.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 16:51:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:51:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 11:51:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable internal commands? Date: 16 Jan 1995 16:51:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Distribution: everyone Message-Id: <3fe864$p8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , P. CLOTSCHER @ COH wrote: >Is there a possibility to disable the (or some) internal Key-commands >like Alt-X, Alt-=, Alt-Z, etc., while in connect mode (terminal >emulation)? > Yes: SET KEY \Kignore >I could re-define the keys of course, but a command like >'disable ...' would be nicer. > Presently, there is no such command. >Also the normal escape character ^] is on our wishlist for disabling. > You can change the escape character to any other (7-bit) control character, but there is no way to disable it entirely. >Second question: Is it possible to use a DOS-environment variable in >a script-file in the output command? > Yes, as explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit": \$(name) where "name" is the name of the desired environment variable, e.g. \$(GROUP) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 17:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:20:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:20:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Communicating at 28.8 ? Date: 16 Jan 1995 17:19:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3fe9rt$r93@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fc0ub$qmn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >| In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >| > >| >How does one communicate at 28.8 ? I just bought a US Robotics >| >28.8 Sportster. I have C-Kermit 5A on a linux machine and as there >| >is no setting for USR, I have set the modem as "Hayes". My line >| >speed is set for 38400, the highest available. What else need I do? > > >| You must turn off speed matching on both the modem and in C-Kermit. > > > I'm afraid this answer went completely over my head. > Could you give me an "idiot proof" response? (-; Sorry I was short on time when I replied. For answers to questions such as these you should refer to both your modem manual and the appropriate Kermit book, in this case "Using C-Kermit" as it will contain the answers you need and quite a bit of background info. When you set the speed with which you are communicating to your modem, you are only specifying the interface speed. Not the speed at which your modem will connect to the remote modem. When a connection is made the modem reports back the actual connect speed. And depending on how it is configured it will change the interface speed between the computer and modem to match. This is SPEED-MATCHING. Now both C-Kermit and the modem must be told to do the same thing. Either they both speed-match or they both don't. But if they do not agree, once a connection occurs you will get garbage. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 17:36:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 12:43:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 17:36:07 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-55.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29191 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1623 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host use sz/rz to send/receive files The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. When using x/y/z-modem transfer, errors such as CHKSUM/packet size/ bad header occurs. I assume x/y/z-modem was mainly created for modem transfer, so may have problems sending using tcp-ip packets. Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise, what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 19:41:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:42:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 14:41:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 19:41:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3fei62$7cn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29197 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1624 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu>, Jong-Min Park wrote: >I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer >on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: > kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host > use sz/rz to send/receive files > >The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem >transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. > You have observed that Kermit works, but it is slow, whereas x/y/z-modem do not work. You conclude that if x/y/z-modem could be somehow taught to work, they would be fast, while Kermit would remain slow. Kermit can be as fast as or faster than any of the other protocols when tuned for speed. This is explained at length in the appropriate manuals ("Using MS-DOS Kermit", "Using C-Kermit", etc), and in our new FAQ, which you can find at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT Kermit's defaults are deliberately conservative to maximize the chance that it will work on any given connection, even if it works slowly, as you have seen. The defaults of X/Y/Z-modem, on the other hand, are set for speed at the expense of robustness, as you have also seen. I'd recommend you spend a couple minutes reading up on how to make Kermit transfers go fast. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 20:11:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:31:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:31:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Followup-To: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Date: 16 Jan 1995 20:11:09 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3fejst$8vv@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-55.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29200 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1625 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry that I may have been a little unclear. Here is more info: I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer. When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs. I've succeeded in transferring ascii files between local machines just to test it: 'sz -a -L 80 filename' and 'rz -a'. If I omit -L, 'subpacket too long' error occurs. Although 'bad CRC' still occurs, it is only intermittent. Now binary transfer completely fails (bad CRC), but again 'subpacket long' disappears with -L option. I think there are two problems: 8-bit control code is being translated where it shouldn't be. And assembling of subpackets may be causing problems with tcp-ip packet size limit. I'm not too familiar with subpacket assembling or zmodem packets, nor telnet negotiation. Has anyone succeeded in x/y/z-modem transfer using tcp-ip? Otherwise, what would be the cause for the error? Any solution or hints would be greatly appreciated. Please reply to jong-min@engr.wisc.edu if possible. Thank you. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 19:28:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:42:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 15:42:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!newshost!bill From: bill@yossarian.lanl.gov (Bill Reynolds) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 reports 231 rows when queried Date: 16 Jan 1995 19:28:24 GMT Organization: Complex Systems Group, Theoretical Division, LANL, Los Alamos, NM Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: Reply-To: bill@goshawk.lanl.gov Nntp-Posting-Host: yossarian.lanl.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for automatically setting the terminal parameters. After typing resize, one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while logged in via kermit): $ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo $ cat -v foo ^[[231;80R This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995. -- Bill Reynolds bill@raptor.lanl.gov _____________________________________________________________________________ "Our Yosemite turkeys live in the shade of beautiful oak trees" -Shelton's Free-Range Turkeys president Gary Flanagan From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 16 22:57:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:57:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 17:57:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 reports 231 rows when queried Date: 16 Jan 1995 22:57:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3fetkg$la7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bill Reynolds wrote: >This bug manifests itself when using the X11R6 ``resize'' command for >automatically setting the terminal parameters. After typing resize, >one finds that the `rows' parameter has been set to 231. This bug can >be reproduced with the following Unix Bourne shell commands (while >logged in via kermit): > >$ echo -e "\0337\033[r\033[999;999H\033[6n" ; cat - > foo > > >$ cat -v foo >^[[231;80R > >This was using kermit.exe from msvibm.zip downloaded from >watsun.cc.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin on Sunday, Jan 16, 1995. > You're right. It's a bug. We'll have to develop and issue a patch for it asap. Thanks for pointing it out. - Frank x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 04:40:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:39:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 16 Jan 1995 23:39:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!jong-min From: jong-min@cae.wisc.edu (Jong-Min Park) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: xyz-modem through tcp-ip Date: 17 Jan 1995 04:40:54 GMT Organization: Division of Information Technology Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ffhom$mb5@news.doit.wisc.edu> References: <3feaq7$4aa@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3fejst$8vv@news.doit.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hp-7.cae.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:29210 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1628 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you so much for all the feedback. I didn't have time to say thank you to all who replied. I have mustered enough hints and info to try out several configs and I finally got some speed (500 to 1000 cps vs. original 49 or zero cps). Sorry if this was an FAQ, but just so that someone could benefit from this info, I'm posting my result. Here is what I found when using kermit or zmodem transfer through tcp-ip from my host to a remote site: In kermit, increasing the receiving packet size can speed up the transfer. But if the receiving end cannot be tweaked by the user, you are still out of luck (it still works, in contrast to zmodem). In zmodem, using a smaller packet size (about 100 bytes for me) and escaping control characters from the sending host will avoid 'subpacket too long' error and 'CRC' error, respectively. Again, if you cannot change the configuration from the sending host, it just doesn't work. In conclusion, I now do downloads through kermit transfer and uploads through zmodem transfer, since the remote host doesn't allow changing of configurations for both sending and receiving. One strange thing I've noticed when using zmodem was that packet size less than about 128 went okay, but anything above it somehow hangs at the last 1024 bytes remaining (actually I can see that all data actually were sent, but the remaining size to transfer suddenly rises from 0 to 1024, and then nothing happens). Here is what I wrote: > I am having trouble sending/receiving files using x/y/z-modem transfer > on tcp-ip. Here is my setup: > kermit to connect to a tcp-ip host using telnet > use sz/rz (v1.26 by Chuck Forsberg) to send/receive files > The remote host doesn't have ftp, but allows kermit and x/y/z-modem > transfer. Kermit transfer is too slow (45 cps) on the tcp-ip. And > since there is no way to fiddle with kermit configuration on the > remote host, I'm not sure I can speed up kermit transfer. > When using x/y/z-modem, 'subpacket too long' and 'bad CRC checksum' occurs. +-------- Jong-Min Park -=?B?EUC-KR?udrBvrnO?=-9ZA>9N----------- | E-mail: jong-min@engr.wisc.edu | Office: (608)-263-7784 266 ME Bldg +-------- University of Wisconsin - Madison From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:12:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:45:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 12:45:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit and Novell v3.12 Date: 17 Jan 1995 10:12:46 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission Summary: How do I run TCP/IP over Novell with MS-Kermit Keywords: TCP/IP, Novell X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about what others have found is the best method of doing this. I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server break the TCP/IP packets out? -Fozz -- "This may seem a bit weird, but that's okay, because it is weird." -- The Perl v5.0 manual page. Doran Barton / Fozziliny Moo (fozz@xmission.com or http://xmission.com/~fozz/ ) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:41:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:25:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 14:25:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!eastman!mmdm08!jgirtler From: jgirtler@sector.kodak.com (Joe Girtler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 questions Message-Id: <15375@eastman.Kodak.Com> Date: 17 Jan 95 17:41:47 GMT References: <3eqjo6$p9k@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Sender: usenet@eastman.kodak.com Reply-To: jgirtler@sector.kodak.com Organization: Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: 150.102.41.141 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am also interested in using Kermit's telnet ablilty, but have NO CLUE how. I'm running SunOS. I've tried the man pages but without success. Can anybody help? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 07:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:57:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 17 Jan 1995 17:57:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and Novell v3.12 Message-Id: <1995Jan17.131255.38178@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Jan 95 13:12:55 MDT References: <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fgtqe$i0l@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > I know there are a few different ways to do this, but I am curious about > what others have found is the best method of doing this. > > I would like to run MS-DOS Kermit on a DOS workstation connected to a > Novell Netware v3.12 network. Physically, the network cable is also > connected to two IBM RS/6000 machines talking TCP/IP. What is the best way > to get MS-Kermit to talk to the RS/6000s while running a Netware client > shell? Should I look at a dual-stack solution? Or is there an easy way to > encapsulate the TCP/IP packets in the IPX and then have the Netware server > break the TCP/IP packets out? -------------- You don't have to do anything fancy at all. MS-DOS Kermit is designed to run straight over ODI, as I thought you knew. The only time shims (ODIPKT + WINPKT) are needed is when MSK runs in a Windows DOS box. All NW 3 and 4 servers are shipped ready to route TCP/IP traffic at no extra cost (just load the supplied TCPIP.NLM). Please see the docs in the MSK 3.14 quick-start archive file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu. Just as a historical reminder: MS-DOS Kermit was the first non-Novell TCP/IP program to run over ODI native mode, and I made publically viewable my code to accomplish that task. Today a number of vendors offer native ODI capability, and that's a good thing. That's not a claim on those vendors, but rather a longer term view of how these programs fit together. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 23:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:13:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 - Binary transfer Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:11:00 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fhiq4$2hn@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via Kermit using TCP/IP. Text files upload without failure but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES' Packed length are set to 94 at both ends. I've tried other lengths, but no success. Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like? This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help. thanks. sul@fiu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 23:31:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:57:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 00:57:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 - Binary transfer Date: 17 Jan 1995 23:31:52 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3fhk19$2vb@newshost.fiu.edu> References: <3fhiq4$2hn@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sulaiman Paperwalla (sul@nomadd.fiu.edu) wrote: : I've been repeatedly trying to upload binary files via : Kermit using TCP/IP. Text files upload without failure : but binary files are causing the error: 'TOO MANY RETRIES' : Packed length are set to 94 at both ends. : I've tried other lengths, but no success. : Am I doing something that Kermit 3.14 does not like? : This is quite urgent, so I will truly appreciate your help. : thanks. : sul@fiu.edu Never mind.... I was using 3.14 beta 17. It works fine with the new release. Sorry for this post. Sul. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 05:16:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:11:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:11:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 18 Jan 1995 15:46:01 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3fi86h$ben@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3f3q36$bri@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Mendenhall (tem@scout.humboldt.edu) wrote: : Does anyone know if the 3.14 version of Kermit will emulate a Wyse 60 : terminal? : Running Unixware with DOS Merge. A Wyse 60 terminal will send PC keyboard : scancodes plus emulate a 25 line monochrome display. A vt100 terminal : requires a bunch of set key definitions or the user must press esc 1 for : F1, etc. I'd be interested in such a use also, but can only see WYSE50 in beta 17 of MS-Kermit 3.14. Joe Doupnik runs Unixware, so he may have some more information about this. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 05:13:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:52:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 11:52:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: RESET MODEM HELP !!! Date: 18 Jan 1995 15:43:12 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3fi818$bei@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3f3n2f$olt@newsgate.dircon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spencer Clay (edge@dircon.co.uk) wrote: : Please can anyone help us to reset a modem, : By using a batch file for DOS,(possibly Kermit). : We know the AT commands to manually do this using Kermit, : they are: : AT&F8 : AT&f0 : AT&w0 : ATZ : But we want to be able to send these commands directly : to our modem with a one liner.i.e from the Dos Command Line. : Please help us we are stupid!!!!!!!! I use the command: kermit take atz.tak MSKERMIT.INI: set flow rts/cts set block 3 set window 3 set send pack 4000 set receive pack 4000 set port 2 take vt300.ini set term wrap on ATZ.TAK: set port 2 def \%a 0 :try increment \%a if > \%a 10 goto end echo modem initialisation attempt \%a\13\10 output ATZ\13 input 4 OK if success goto end if > \%a 2 log session c:\ff\call.log write session \v(date) \v(time) ATZ \%a FAILED\13\10 goto try :end quit This is for "fixing" stubborn modems. Does anyone do this kind of thing for modems on Unix machines? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 17 17:17:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:17:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 12:17:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swiss.ans.net!singapura.singnet.com.sg!merlion.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!kheesoon From: kheesoon@technet.sg (Ng Khee Soon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help on Kermit Date: 17 Jan 1995 17:17:01 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3fgu2d$iud@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 16:47:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:33:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 13:33:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Desperate Help Needed! Date: 18 Jan 1995 16:47:19 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fjgmn$6im@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone. I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just too darn slow. I have been told that I can use a program called sz.exe and use zmodem from my vms account. I have gotten this program but as have yet been unable to get it to work. Does anyone know of any instructions that I can use with this particular program or prehaps a differrent utility that I can use to make my dl's a little bit faster and more productive. I have a 14.4 now but will soon be recieving a PPI 28.8 v.34 in the mail (they are back-ordered now). IS there anything that I can do that will enable me to take full advantage of this increased speed? BTW, I dial in to a VAX and we do have a 28.8 modem pool. Thanks a million! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 14:02:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:56:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 17:55:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!gs.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de!kraeutle From: kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de (Rainer Kraeutle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem-modem connection Date: 18 Jan 1995 14:02:24 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum der Universitaet Freiburg, Germany Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi to All I would like to know if there is any possibility to connect two modems via phone line using kermit protocoll. I have no problems to connect to a unix host but how can i manage file transfer to another pc thanks in advance -- Rainer Kraeutle,0761/203-(3056/3064) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 00:12:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:39:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 21:39:08 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.ess.harris.com!jabba.ess.harris.com!darwin.sura.net!dcc.uchile.cl!anaraven From: anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl (Andres Aravena) Subject: problems in Solaris 2.3 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@dcc.uchile.cl (News) Organization: Universidad de Chile, Depto. de Ciencias de la Computacion X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 00:12:12 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get 'Operation would block' at any read or write. Did someone have success with it? thank you -- Andres Aravena D. home: andres@aravena.mic.cl Univ: anaraven@dcc.uchile.cl From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 23:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:54:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 18 Jan 1995 22:54:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!nomadd.fiu.edu!sul From: sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Possible Problem in 3.14 Date: 18 Jan 1995 23:18:25 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nomadd.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. Has any one else encounter this? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 18 15:02:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 04:55:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 04:55:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14 Message-Id: <1995Jan18.210220.38361@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Jan 95 21:02:20 MDT References: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>, sul@nomadd.fiu.edu (Sulaiman Paperwalla) writes: > Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling > when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). > > Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. > > Has any one else encounter this? ------------ We don't have enough information from you to begin an analysis, but I can say that MSK 3.14 works fine to my UnixWare machine. Please check the kind of terminal the host thinks it is talking to. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 09:01:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 05:45:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 05:45:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!csus.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!cello.gina.calstate.edu!cello.gina.calstate.edu!not-for-mail From: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tcpip machine name Date: 19 Jan 1995 01:01:30 -0800 Organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cello.gina.calstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN but I thought this was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full name to match the set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS ? Or is this done somewhere else (like in the nameserver(s)? (Outside of kermit's control) Thanks, -- --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 05:54:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:43:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!homer.cs.wisc.edu!finton From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Can't read character: I/O error" Date: 19 Jan 1995 05:54:05 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 52 Message-Id: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.cs.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation. It seems to work okay, but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the message Can't read character: I/O error Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) C-Kermit> What is the cause of this error? Do I have some parameters set wrong? I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am). What's wrong? In case it's helpful, I'll include my settings below. Thanks! --David Finton ------------------------ (Back at localhost) C-Kermit>show C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, NeXT Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 38400, mode: local, modem: hayes Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa Escape character: 29 (^]) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 1 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: converted Debugging Log: none Type: text Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Character-Set: NeXT Multinational (8-bit) Transfer Character-Set: Transparent File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc C-Kermit> From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:12:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:12:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem-modem connection Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:12:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <3flrvt$cce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Rainer Kraeutle wrote: >I would like to know if there is any possibility to >connect two modems via phone line using kermit >protocoll. > This is the subject of Chapter 11 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (also available in German). Very briefly: One PC must make the call, the other must receive it. The receiving PC's modem must be placed into "answer mode". A Kermit program should be started on the receiving PC and placed in server mode. For additional details, please read chapters 10 and 11 of the manual. Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:15:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:15:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Possible Problem in 3.14 Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:15:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fls5h$civ@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fk7k2$q0a@newshost.fiu.edu>, Sulaiman Paperwalla wrote: >Just got 3.14 and found out the the screen does not stop scrolling >when used with --more-- after 24 lines. (I'm using vt320). > >Problem was not there in 3.14 Beta 17. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (not Beta), released 12 January 1995 had a bug in this area. It was replaced yesterday, 18 January 1995, by a version that contained a minor change to fix this bug. I'll post a more detailed announcement shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:20:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:20:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:20:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems in Solaris 2.3 Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:20:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3flsev$d2g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andres Aravena wrote: >We have some problems with C-kermit 5.0 under solaris 2.3. After >choosing between -DSYSV and -DSUN it compiled, but only get >'Operation would block' at any read or write. > Just follow the instructions. There are specific makefile entries for each machine / operating system / OS version combination. Just pick out the most appropriate of the entries whose names start with "solaris": solaris2x - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler solaris2xg - Solaris 2.x, GNU cc solaris2x25 - Solaris 2.x, Sun compiler and SunLink X.25 For additional details, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and in the file ckuins.doc (C-Kermit installation instructions). If you can't succeed in compiling the program, you can ftp a precompiled Solaris 2.3 binary from kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 13:41:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:24:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:24:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: modem-modem connection Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3fj71g$m02@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:41:50 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Rainer Kraeutle (kraeutle@sun2.ruf.uni-freiburg.de) wrote: : I would like to know if there is any possibility to : connect two modems via phone line using kermit : protocoll. There should be no problem so long as you can tell the called modem to answer, either automatically or manually. The manual command is probably ATA. (If someone has actually done this, please jump in!) -- David Nichols From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:36:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:36:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:36:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:36:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3fltcs$eb0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, David Finton wrote: >I've built Kermit5a188 on my NeXTstation. It seems to work okay, >but it seems to drop the connection often, after giving me the >message > >Can't read character: I/O error > Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) >C-Kermit> > >What is the cause of this error? Do I have some parameters set >wrong? I've set flow to none, but was told that I should do this >because the NeXT does flow control with the port drivers, as long >as I'm using /dev/cufa, have flow control enabled on the modem, and >am using the NeXT modem cable (which I am). > The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), but that will not necessarily affect this problem. However, the release notes for version 5A(190) contain more information and are organized better than in previous releases. In particular, the ckuker.bwr file (C-Kermit, Unix version "beware" file) contains sections for each platform. Here are the pertinent excerpts from the section on the NeXT: (3.4) C-KERMIT AND NEXTSTEP The SET CARRIER command has no effect on the NeXT -- this is a limitation of the tty device drivers. Hardware flow control on the NeXT is selected not by "set flow rts/cts" in Kermit (since NeXTSTEP offers no API for this), but rather, by using a specially-named driver for the serial device: /dev/cufa instead /dev/cua; /dev/cufb instead of /dev/cub. This is available only on 68040-based NeXT models (the situation for Intel NeXTSTEP implementations is unknown). NeXT-built 68030 and 68040 models have different kinds of serial interfaces; the 68030 has a Macintosh-like RS-422 interface, which lacks RTS and CTS signals; the 68040 has an RS-423 (RS-232 compatible) interface, which supports the commonly-used modem signals. WARNING: the connectors look exactly the same, but the pins are used in completely DIFFERENT ways -- different cables are required for the two kinds of interfaces. IF YOU GET LOTS OF RETRANSMISSIONS during file transfer, even when using a /dev/cuf* device and the modem is correctly configured for RTS/CTS flow control, YOU PROBABLY HAVE THE WRONG KIND OF CABLE. Does this help? By the way, until it died recently, I had a NeXTstation on my desk, so I can personally veryify that Kermit works fine on it with the right kind of cable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 14:48:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:48:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:48:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tcpip machine name Date: 19 Jan 1995 14:48:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3flu3s$fa6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fl9pa$quj@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, Larry Powell wrote: >Is there a way in MSkermit to set a machine's full name? I know there >is the command to SET TCP/IP DOMAIN but I thought this >was not for the full name. Essentially is it possible to set the full >name to match the set by SET TCP/IP ADDRESS ? > Yes. You can use SET TCP/IP DOMAIN to set your PC's full name. But the value of this setting is known only to Kermit itself, and it is used for only one purpose: to turn "nicknames" into fully qualified domain names (FQDN). For example, if your network is called foo.bar.baz and your PC is called oofa, then its FQDN is oofa.foo.bar.baz. If you say "set port tcp blah", Kermit sends a query to your name server for "blah". If it doesn't get a satisfactory response, then it uses your SET TCP DOMAIN value to try to make an FQDN. Normally you would have your TCP DOMAIN set to your network name rather than your PC's FQDN, so Kermit would try: blah (no match) blah.foo.bar.baz (works) If you set your TCP DOMAIN to your PC's own FQDN, then Kermit tries: blah (no match) blah.oofa.foo.bar.baz (no match) blah.foo.bar.baz (works) Both ways work, but the second way takes a bit longer. The best way to set your TCP/IP parameters is from an organizational BOOTP server. Then the only command that you (or anybody else) needs for Kermit TCP/IP setup is SET TCP ADDRESS BOOTP. The advantages of this approach are so overwhelming that every site should read about them and set up a centralized bootp database. Maybe your site has one already and you only need to be registered in it. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and later support BOOTP at RFC 1395, which allows the domain name to be downloaded to the PC from the BOOTP database. The original BOOTP specification (and BOOTP servers and databases based on it) did not include the domain name. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 10:54:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:54:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:54:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 09:06:12 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 20 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in my OUTPUT command. Thanks for yer help! |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 15:13:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:59:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 10:59:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 15:13:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access from a laptop. There's a security issue here, too. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:44:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:44:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 13:44:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Bug Fix and Replacement Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:44:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3fmbuf$6e7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:7 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1652 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, as announced on January 12th, had a pair of bugs that required a quick replacement. Very briefly, the bugs were: 1. Incorrect response to the cursor position report request escape sequence, such as the one issued by UNIX `eval resize`, or by the login procedure of VMS 6.x, or by recent releases of Pine, to determine the size of your physical screen. 2. Memory corruption if the cursor was positioned off the physical screen. Unfortunately, (2) was very likely to happen because of (1). For example, Pine might send the escape sequence from (1), Kermit might mistakenly report that its screen had 231 lines, and then Pine would try to write text to bottom of the screen, causing the memory corruption. The memory corruption manifested itself in various ways: switching to Tektronix mode, the disappearance of macro definitions, and/or the inability to EXIT from Kermit. These bugs are now fixed, thanks to the quick action of Joe Doupnik, and a new replacement ZIP file is now available. The Kermit program still identifies itself as version 3.14, but the date is January 18, 1995, rather than January 12, 1995. The corrected version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as follows: DIRECTORY MODE DESCRIPTION kermit/archives/msvibm.zip binary Distribution diskette ZIP file kermit/a/msvibmzip.boo text Ditto, BOO-encoded kermit/a/msvibmzip.uue text Ditto, uuencoded The text-encoded ZIP files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV@CUVMA as MSVIBMZI.BOO and MSVIBMZI.UUE. Please replace the January 12th version with the January 18th one. Apologies for the inconvenience. All further corrections will be issued in the form of patches. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 19:16:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 19:16:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3fmdr4$9ms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a >dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as >described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access >from a laptop. > Yes. set port to your modem and place it in auto answer mode. Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13. Then just start the server. it will wait for a connection. >There's a security issue here, too. There is no remote login capabilities at present. However, you can limit the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what remote commands are enabled. So the security breach is not too great. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 14:27:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can C-Kermit server answer the phone? Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:58:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3fmcns$7oq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3flvjf$msg@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >Can I use C-Kermit (OS2) to give me remote access to my PC via a >dial-up line? I'm thinking of putting Kermit in server mode (as >described in chapter 7 of Using C-Kermit) to give me remote access >from a laptop. Yes. set port to your modem and place it in auto answer mode. Usually accomplished with ATS0=2\13. Then just start the server. it will wait for a connection. >There's a security issue here, too. There is no remote login capabilities at present. However, you can limit the ability to access directories other than the current and limit what remote commands are enabled. So the security breach is not too great. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 16:00:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:31:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 17:31:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Whoops-no RX!?! Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 16:00:06 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1. I sometimes get the subject message, with or without the line dropping. It's not from the driver. Is it from th' frog? Thank you. Bill From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 16:30:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:08:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 18:08:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!psgrain!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: 19 Jan 1995 09:30:14 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3fm42m$221@xmission.xmission.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: >I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP >sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect >the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - >reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - >connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the >user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but >this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is >there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in >my OUTPUT command. I just learned how to to this this morning actually. I've been using MSK for years and never really bothered to figure this goody out until now. Try: SET PORT TCP/IP NEW CONNECT This will automatically start a new Telnet session with the indicated host. If you haven't gotten hold of v3.14 yet, do. The KERMIT.UPD file has a comprehensive explanation of these features and any others that have been added in version 3.12, 3.13, and 3.14. -Fozz -- ----fozz@xmission.com---------In Real Life: Doran L. Barton----------------- ``Praise to the man who has commuted with Jehovah.'' -A common misconception in Christian theology. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 00:09:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:09:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:09:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Whoops-no RX!?! Date: 20 Jan 1995 00:09:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3fmv0f$6f2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >I'm using 5A(190) to help test a 38k4 driver for the 3b1. I sometimes >get the subject message, with or without the line dropping. It's not >from the driver. Is it from th' frog? > It is not from the C-Kermit source code (grep -i Whoops ck[cu]*.[ch]). Maybe it's from some library that it is linked to on the 3b1. Try: strings kermit | grep Whoops If this comes up empty, then it ain't from the Kermit executable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 18:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:32:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 19 Jan 1995 18:15:31 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '231'; unset noglob; Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '24'; unset noglob; -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 23:20:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:04:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 20:04:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!uwvax!uchinews!gsbux1!cal From: cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) Subject: COM3 available in 3.14? Message-Id: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Sender: news@bluebird.uchicago.edu (News System) Organization: University of Chicago -- Academic Information Technologies Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:20:04 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could address COM3 and above. If not, is this a planned feature addition? Regards, -Cal -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "From all us Slackers to all you Boomers ... HAHAHAHAHAHA! WE HAVE SATELLITE MOUNTED RAIL-GUNS! HEH HEH. Who's laughing now?"-- S. Lang ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 17:39:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 21:05:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!awhite From: awhite@unlinfo.unl.edu (anne white) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem Date: 19 Jan 1995 17:39:49 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo2.unl.edu Summary: Connect Problem X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly 1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used for months. Although my hardware and operating system remain the same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully. The computer I am using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1. I am also connected to a local area network, just as before. 2. I devised the following test script, just to get to the bare bones of the symptoms. ; Test Script set modem hayes ; dial compuserve dial T94749005 3. I take this script file from the MS-Kermit prompt and this is what I get: 3.1. Dialing ... 3.2. Connect 9600 3.3. and then nothing, until the connection times out. I can do absolutely nothing. The cursor is frozen, Control-Break and Control-C do not work, nothing. There is no MS-Kermit prompt, nothing. When the prompt does appear, if you enter another command, it is executed with glacial slowness. I even tried "set terminal timeslice-release disable", to no effect. 4. I have C-Kermit 5A(190), and it executes just fine. 5. Puzzled, and frustrated, in Lincoln, Nebraska, USA. -- Anne L. White "Media Specialist/Teacher/Librarian by training" 402-479-4316 "Resources Center Manager by choice" 402-479-3989 (Fax) ^ "Stupidity Is It's Own Reward!" ^ NDOR Communications Div. 1500 NE HWY 2 PO BOX 94759 Lincoln NE 68509 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 04:21:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:21:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:21:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 Connect Problem Date: 20 Jan 1995 04:21:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3fndos$q6h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fm855$hri@crcnis3.unl.edu>, anne white wrote: >MS-Kermit 3.14 Won't Work Properly > >1. I recently upgraded to MS-Kermit V3.14 from V3.13, which I have used > for months. Although my hardware and operating system remain the > same, I cannot complete a dial up successfully. The computer I am > using is an IBM PS/2 77 running OS/2 2.1. I am also connected to a > local area network, just as before. I am glad to hear that you use C-Kermit. However, when you do use MS-DOS Kermit under OS/2 I would suggest that you also use Ray Gwinn's SIO replacement comm drivers. Ray has implemented the Fossil standard as a Virtual Driver in OS/2's DOS Sessions. By using the Fossil support in 3.14 with Ray's VX00.SYS and SIO.SYS drivers you will get performance under OS/2 that is as close as you can possibly get to just having MS-DOS Kermit sitting on top of the actual hardware. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 02:25:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:25:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:25:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu2!kiwayama From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need help with Kermit D/L! Date: 20 Jan 1995 02:25:43 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as fast as zmodem. Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). Please email me any help, and thanks in advance. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 08:13:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:35:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:35:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.wustl.edu!news.ecl.wustl.edu!jxh From: jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu (James C. Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Desperate Help Needed! Date: 20 Jan 1995 08:13:12 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <3fjgmn$6im@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pride.cs.wustl.edu In-Reply-To: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU's message of 18 Jan 1995 16:47:19 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "W" == Watson, John McClain writes: W> Hello everyone. I have nothing against Kermit, but it's just W> too darn slow. You have been mis-informed. I get transfer rates of 1,600+ cps on a regular basis with kermit with my 14.4 Kbps modem, and it only required some minor tweaking on my part. Look through the help files for the section on control prefixes, and set your packet sizes to be at least 1000. These transfer rates are at least as good as the rates zmodem will get you. -- James From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 07:00:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:53:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:53:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 20 Jan 1995 07:00:15 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3fnn1v$cls@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> of "Kari E. Hurtta" X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: ;I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: <...> ;Resize reports correct size with kermit 3.10: <...> I forgot to say that these are MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.10. -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 10:16:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:02:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 20 Jan 1995 10:16:43 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In kermit.bwr it is said: Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing comment. In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a continued line. Well, I did not know this, and I had the following macro within my mscustom.ini: define kommsrv - dial rz1,- input 30 Benutzernummer:,- ; Warte auf die Ausgabe. output p41bsmk\44PASSWD\13,- ; Account,Passwort input 10 >,- ; Warte auf Prompt. output c\44komm\13,- ; Rufe kommsrv. connect This macro worked alright on my laptop at home until I upgraded from kermite.exe 3.14 beta 14 to the final version. Then, parts of that macro got displayed at the MS-Kermit prompt when loading mscustom.ini. This "error" had not occurred when I first tested the new (final 3.14) Kermit release on my office PC. Trying out this and that (on the office PC, again), I noticed that minor variations in the macro let it either work or not work. Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 19 23:39:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:11:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 08:11:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.dec Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!alf.chem.su.oz.au!dave From: dave@alf.chem.su.oz.au (David Kelly) Subject: Pathworks Kermit Problem Message-Id: Sender: news@ucc.su.oz.au Nntp-Posting-Host: alf.chem.su.oz.au Organization: Information Services, Sydney University, Sydney, NSW, Australia X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 23:39:16 GMT Lines: 54 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:92982 vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:13100 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1666 comp.sys.dec:27570 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Guys, We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. Sending files from Vax to PC works fine. The process we're using is : We login to VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version 3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process. The send process starts fine and seems to go smoothly with no retries until suddenly it stops with the following VT320 emulator error message : COULD NOT GET KERMIT STATUS INFORMATION, (NOT RUNNING KERMIT IN SERVER MODE ON REMOTE HOST?) This doesn't result in a connection loss to the vax, but the kermit transfer stops. For a given file it will fail at the same place every time, but different amounts of data are transferred before failure for different files. Some small files will transfer OK and some won't. If the file is bigger than approx 30k it will almost certainly fail. Failure doesn't seem dependent on file type. We've tried changing between LAT & CTERM connection with no change and I've tried changing kermit protocol retry limit to maximum (though no retrys are indicated) and I've changed TIMEOUT setting to maximum, all with no effect. This process is consistent across all PCs we have and we have the same problem with different model VAX servers. There are other kermit protocol and packet settings in the terminal emulator I could try changing which are : Block check sum currently set to 1 other option is 2 Send delay for first packet, currently set to 0,maximum is 63 seconds. Start of packet currently CTL-A Padding count, currently set to 0 maximum is 60 Padding character currently CTL-@ Endof line character currently CTL-M Quote character currently # Packet size currently 94 other choice is 80 I haven't tried changing these as I have no idea what effect they will have. Kermit transfer both ways to Pathworks VT320 DOS emulator (sethost) works fine. This problem has been reported to DIGITAL with no resolve as yet. Anyone have any ideas ? Any help greatly appreciated, this is causing us serious problems and is urgent. David Kelly, Systems Specialist Environment Protection Authority. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:48:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:48:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3fom04$6dj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>, Cal Lott wrote: >I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. > A frequently asked question. The short answer: Yes. The medium answer: COM3 and above have no standard address or IRQ, hence communications software (Kermit or anything else) can't always find them, in which case you have to specify the address and IRQ, using a sequence like: SET COM3 \x3e8 5 SET PORT COM3 The long answer: Read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:54:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:54:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:54:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.dec Subject: Re: Pathworks Kermit Problem Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:54:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3fombs$6sh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:92995 vmsnet.networks.desktop.pathworks:13106 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1668 comp.sys.dec:27576 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Kelly wrote: >We're having a problem sending files from Pathworks kermit Windows VT320 >terminal emulator to VAX VMS 5.5-2 kermit server. >Sending files from Vax to PC works fine. > >We login to VAX 7000 using Pathworks V5.0 Windows 3.1 VT320 terminal >emulator version 5.0.093. We start kermit on VMS 5.5-2, kermit version >3.3.118 and put it in server mode. We then select kermit send file menu >on terminal emulator, select a file and start send process. > Can't help with this; your PC software is a DEC product, so you'll have to get help from DEC. However, you are more than welcome to use real Kermit software, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, on your PC in place of the DEC software. It supports PATHWORKS connections too, as well as VT320 emulation and (of course) Kermit transfers. If you have trouble with it, we can help. You are also encouraged to install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VAX. Kermit-32 is no longer supported. To learn more about Columbia University's Kermit software, point your Web browser at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Or use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu and follow the signs. Direct further questions to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:57:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:57:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit D/L! Date: 20 Jan 1995 15:57:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3fomhl$742@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fn6v7$1ffj@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Keiko Iwayama wrote: >My University's zmodem protcol doesn't seem to work at all for uploads, so >I was wondering if anyone knows how to make a Kermit upload "nearly" as >fast as zmodem. Right now, I can get zmodem to download .zip files at >about 1400 cps, while good-old Kermit does it at 500 cps (U/L and D/L). > Kermit can go just as fast, often faster. Please read the FAQ: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu text mode file kermit/FAQ.TXT - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 15:01:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:59:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 10:59:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!xmission!xmission!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 08:01:46 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3foj8q$fo7@xmission.xmission.com> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cal@gsbux1.uchicago.edu (Cal Lott) writes: >Hi! > I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. Yes. MS-DOS Kermit has had support for COM3 and COM4 for quite a while now. If you have non-standard I/O addresses and/or IRQs for those ports you can override the standard (if there really is one) settings with the MS-Kermit command: SET COM3 \x02f8 \4 This specifies that COM3 is IRQ 4 at 0x2f8. -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:28:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:28:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:28:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:28:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi>, Kari E. Hurtta wrote: >I just notized that resize reports incorrect size with kermit 3.14: > >set noglob; >setenv COLUMNS '80'; >setenv LINES '231'; >unset noglob; > As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995. That version has been replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:58:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 11:58:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 20 Jan 1995 16:39:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3foovg$b7a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >In kermit.bwr it is said: > Commands in command files can be continued by including "-" as the last > character on the line, but NOT if the line ends with a trailing > comment. In other words, you can't have a trailing comment on a > continued line. >... >Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment >single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? > The ability to put trailing comments on the ends of continued lines is not documented or supported in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. As you have observed, experimentation shows that it might work sometimes, but you should not depend on it. And speaking of trailing comments, lest anyone be prompted by this posting to ask again: There was a change in v3.14 from previous versions, in which a semicolon (;), must be followed by at least one space or tab -- or else be the first character on a line -- to be recognized as a comment introducer. This is to allow semicolons to be used within commands like: get dua0:[.temp]oofa.txt;3 or: output \27[?62;1;2;4;8;9;15c\13 without any quoting. Previously the first semicolon in each of these commands would have started a comment. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 17:12:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:12:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:12:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple TCP/IP Sessions in MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 Date: 20 Jan 1995 17:12:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3foqu1$emf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.13 and have a script which connects two TCP/IP >sessions. My problem is when I do the second SET PORT TCP command to connect >the second session, a menu appears asking the user if they want to R - >reconnect to current session, # - enter a specific session number, or N - >connect a new session. I want to connect to a new session but I don't want the >user to have to do anything. I have tried INPUT XX Choice>, OUTPUT N\13, but >this doesn't work I have to physically hit the enter key on the keyboard. Is >there a way I can turn this menu option off or am I doing something wrong in >my OUTPUT command. --------------- Please see the release docs again, as well as using "?" context sensitive help in the SET PORT TCP command. This command accepts arguments of host to start a New or Resume a current session. SET PORT TCP also accepts a digit representing a session number (see SHOW SESSION for a list of which are which). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 17:16:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:16:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 20 Jan 1995 12:16:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM3 available in 3.14? Date: 20 Jan 1995 17:16:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3for4r$f5r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan19.232004.8689@midway.uchicago.edu>, Cal Lott wrote: >Hi! > > I was simply wondering if version 3.14 (or any earlier) could >address COM3 and above. > > If not, is this a planned feature addition? ---------- May I recommend reading the user's manual and the release notes for MS-DOS Kermit which will explain in detail the handling of COM3/4. MSK has used all four COM ports for a great many years. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 23:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:50:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 19:50:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit Transfers Date: 20 Jan 1995 23:39:12 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is only 2400bps? What should I do to make the connection automated, that is, when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated? How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout? For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean? Thank you for answers and comments. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic 93202707@np.ac.sg | yan%cyrus%linuxpub@csah.com | Singapore | http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | void ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:28:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:28:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 21:28:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit Transfers Date: 22 Jan 1995 02:28:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 70 Message-Id: <3fsfsn$qbq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fphj0$tm@nova.np.ac.sg>, Loke Teng Yan <93202707@np.ac.sg> wrote: >I've just started using CKermit for OS/2, and have some stuff to ask about >it. For dialling, is there a command whereby I can see my phonebook entries? > Hmmm, I guess not, other than: type c:\ckermit\ckermit.kdd or (more generally): type \m(_dialdir) ; This variable holds the name of the dialing directory. You could add a macro definition for this to your CKERMOD.INI file, something like: define numbers type \m(_dialdir) or something fancier, e.g. to list all entries that match a particular string. But see below about the services directory. >What is the command for making CKermit stay at 14400bps even if the line is >only 2400bps? > SET DIAL SEPEED-MATCHING OFF. >What should I do to make the connection automated, that is, >when a connection is established, the "connect" command should be automated? > You can write script programs to do whatever you want. Script programming can't be explained in a short message - you should read the manual; three chapters of it cover script programming. >How do I set up the program to redial the number after a timeout? > There is a kind of "higher level" dialing directory, called the services directory, that does this for you automatically. The mechanics are explained in complete detail in the manual, and from a user standpoint also in the CKERMIT.INF file. >For file transfers, I get a much better performance, compared to the MS-DOS >version that I used. The number of packets is about 999, and the cps rate >for binary files can go to 500+. Is it possible to further speed up the >transfer? What does the "Number of Windows" (or something like that) mean? > Again, all explained in the manual. About performance, you should also look at the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.txt Manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 18:43:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:00:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02109 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 21 Jan 1995 23:00:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!micke From: micke@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Stephen J Micke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WP key problem? Date: 20 Jan 1995 18:43:20 GMT Organization: Information & Media Technologies, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fp088$9bl@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.7.4 Originator: micke@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using Word Perfect 5.0 on a SCO Unix Machine. I use kermit to connect a PC to the Unix machine. On the Unix side, I set my terminal type to vt102 and my WP terminal type to kermit. On the Pc-kermit side, I set my terminal type to vt102. WP included a file wp231.ini which mapped all the function key for using WP. WP5.0 works fine with the wp231.ini key mapping. I have just upgraded to WP5.1 which does not have many changes from WP5.0. However, none of the Function keys are working. Some of the keys are mapped to different keys,such as the "F7" key which is mapped to "F3". I've used both the wp231.ini file from WP5.0 and the wp232.ini file included with WP5.1 to try to map the keys. These two files are virtually identical, except for two key mappings. Has anyone experienced the same problem? From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:32:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 02:32:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 02:32:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!garnet.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is 3.14 finally ready now Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 01:26:13 LOCAL Organization: Msen Lines: 26 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I haven't been on this newsgroup for a while so I'm out of touch. Is Kermit 3.14 out of BETA and ready for prime time? Thanks for any help. __ dwight **************** ************************ "I rock RUFF and stuff ***************************** wit' my afro puf R___! ********************************* Rock on witcha bad *********************************** self.." ************************************* ************************************* ***********---------------*********** ********/ ___ ___ \******** *****/ <_w_| |<_w_ \***** ****| / \ |**** **\ (_ _) /** | \/ | | <__> | | | \ _____ / \___/ jamaican@mail.msen.com 75202.1001@compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 07:55:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:52:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 03:52:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit Date: 22 Jan 1995 07:55:42 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 125 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) has kindly been helping me with the following configuration problem. He asked me to write a report to the Usenet news of this configuration. I am happy to do it in return with thanks. This case demonstrates well the flexibility of Kermit terminal emulator for various countries. These scripts are for Kermit version 3.14 and I use them in my modem connections from home to our BSD Unix main computer at the University of Vaasa. When the included definition scripts have become more tested in my own use, I'll probably update my 47099 Feb 12 1994 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm25.zip tskerm25.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. In my Kermit initialization file I define among other things the following three commands define FINNISH take finnish.cmd ;Use classic 7-bit Finnish characters define LATIN1 take latin1.cmd ;Use standard 8-bit characters define MIXED take mixed.cmd ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters I normally use LATIN1. If I read Finnish email or Finnish Usenet newsgroups written with the new 8-bit Finnish definitions, then I set MIXED. If I write Finnish text I still usually keep to FINNISH, but if for some reason I need to write new 8-bit Finnish text then it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters. set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends -------------------------------------------------------------------- ;FINNISH.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:34 ; Set on the classic Finnish 7-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 7-bit set terminal character-set Finnish set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as caret (^) set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as tilde (~) ;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD set translation input \235 \235 ; a" set translation input \159 \159 ; o" set translation input \238 \238 ; a' set translation input \30 \30 ; A" set translation input \251 \251 ; O" set translation input \31 \31 ; A' set key \132 ; Key a" sends itself set key \148 ; Key o" sends itself set key \134 ; Key a' sends itself set key \142 ; Key A" sends itself set key \153 ; Key O" sends itself set key \143 ; Key A' sends itself ; -------------------- End of FINNISH.CMD ------------------------- ;LATIN1.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:10:17 ; Set on the standard 8-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;Turn off the 8-bit Finnish definitions of MIXED.CMD set translation input \154 \154 ; U" set translation input \129 \129 ; u" set translation input \235 \235 ; a" set translation input \159 \159 ; o" set translation input \238 \238 ; a' set translation input \30 \30 ; A" set translation input \251 \251 ; O" set translation input \31 \31 ; A' set key \132 ; Key a" sends itself set key \148 ; Key o" sends itself set key \134 ; Key a' sends itself set key \142 ; Key A" sends itself set key \153 ; Key O" sends itself set key \143 ; Key A' sends itself ; -------------------- End of LATIN1.CMD -------------------------- ;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 22-Jan-95 08:33:13 ; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as ^ set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as ~ ; Alter what is shown set translation input \235 \132 ; Show ascii 235 as a" set translation input \159 \148 ; Show ascii 159 as o" set translation input \238 \134 ; Show ascii 238 as a' set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" set translation input \251 \153 ; Show ascii 251 as O" set translation input \31 \143 ; Show ascii 31 as A' ; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set key \132 \235 ; Key a" sends set key \148 \159 ; Key o" sends set key \134 \238 ; Key a' sends set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends set key \153 \251 ; Key O" sends set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends ; -------------------- End of MIXED.CMD --------------------------- All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 20 16:54:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 05:49:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 05:49:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!utzoo!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Message-Id: Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 16:54:21 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >released on January 12, 1995. >Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu And then... >BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >BBSs for downloading by their users, Wonderful. It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic. This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research" users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is not to be Internet-savvy. I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.) This has nothing to do with the technical excellence of the product and my lasting gratitude to all to have contributed. But IMO this policy transcends FreeWare and ShareWare, and can best be described as "BegWare". First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 A happy traveller on the information sidewalk From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 02:25:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:01:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:01:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files Message-Id: <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu> Date: 21 Jan 95 21:25:36 -0500 Organization: HARTWICK COLLEGE Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start logging to "printer". If there's no such file, Kermit creates it. If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the printer isn't ready. This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14. 3.14 does it, too. Surely this isn't intended? Is there a fix for this? I work around it by embedding the call to Kermit in an alias that checks for and deletes 0-byte files in the logs directory, but that takes time, and it shouldn't be necessary. -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 06:13:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:32:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 09:32:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!homer.cs.wisc.edu!finton From: finton@homer.cs.wisc.edu (David Finton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't read character: I/O error" -- second round Date: 21 Jan 1995 06:13:01 GMT Organization: University of WI, Madison -- Computer Sciences Dept. Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3fq8ld$r30@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3fkupt$3t6@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: homer.cs.wisc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous message I wrote about a problem with kermit dropping the connection and giving me this error message. For example: ----------------------------------------------------------------- ?{w{;~{{m Can't read character: I/O error Communications disconnect (Back at localhost) NeXT kermit> ----------------------------------------------------------------- I'd like to thank those who advised me to build kermit5a190 and increase the number of windows and the receive packet-length. This made kermit much faster, and file transfer seems great. I'm running kermit on a NeXTstation with NEXTSTEP 3.2, /dev/cufa, hardware handshaking cable and modem (Supra 14.4LC). But I still get this irritating I/O error which throws me off the remote machine. I suspected my new computer's port, or the modem cable, except that most of the time the connection is great. The error usually occurs when I've been idle for a minute or so, and never in a file transfer. I'm editing this over the kermit connection now, and it's been working for about 20 minutes, I think. It almost seems like a line noise problem, although I didn't have this problem with kermit on my previous machine. Maybe my settings aren't quite right yet. I'll attach those below. Anyone have suggestions for things to try? Thanks, David Finton ---------------------------- (Back at localhost) NeXT kermit> show C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, NeXTSTEP Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cufa, speed: 57600, mode: local, modem: hayes Terminal bits: 7, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: none, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /usr/spool/uucp/LCK/LCK..cufa Escape character: 29 (^]) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 4526 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 2 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 90515 90515 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Send Pathnames: on Receive Pathnames: on Display: fullscreen Transaction Log: none Byte Size: 8, Incomplete: keep, Init file: .kermrc NeXT kermit> From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 16:05:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:05:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:05:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 22 Jan 1995 16:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 104 Message-Id: <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >>released on January 12, 1995. >... >>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu >... >And then... >... >>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >>BBSs for downloading by their users, > >Wonderful. >It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. > Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said: . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is given below). . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to contact us directly at to discuss the matter. Thus, rather than posting an inflammatory message to the whole world, you were invited to discuss it with us offline, to spare the planet another month of acrimony and aggravation. We are not running a democracy here, in which everybody gets to vote on how we do our jobs. We have to generate income to pay our salaries (and for computers, supplies, etc), or we go away. Thus, rousing the public to yell at us accomplishes nothing. >I'm sorry, but the policies of Columbia's Kermit projects are >degenerating into what can only be described as total illogic. >This policy is bigoted against those who can least afford to >pay for Kermit (BBS use is cheaper than Internet access). It >exhibits an ivory tower snobbery that doesn't pressure "research" >users to buy the book, but does so to others whose only sin is >not to be Internet-savvy. > Quite the opposite. On the Internet, we are able to communicate with our users. We can get our message across to them: via announcements, ftp site greeting messages, our Web page, newsgroups, etc, in an efficient way, i.e. many people see one message. But when software is distributed on BBSs, users who get it that way often have no easy way to get in touch with us; furthermore, we have no control over how the software is presented on the BBS -- what messages accompany it, etc. When contact does come from these users, e.g. because they have technical questions because they did not get a manual, it is one-on-one; an extremely inefficient use of our most precious and limited resource: time. >I'm sorry, but as one who contributed to the Kermit effort from back in >the days when the only distribution was nine-inch tapes and the only >docs were ten-pound boxes of printed sheets, I resent this policy and >the attitude it represents. (I neither run nor use a BBS.) > I think you misunderstand the attitude. Back in the old days, the Kermit effort was paid for by a budget, and we didn't have to generate income. We actually packed up and mailed out those boxes for free -- free! -- for quite a few years. Then the budget went away and we had to pay for ourselves. Years passed, demands for new features and versions increased, the user base increased, the technical support burden increased, and so income has to increase. We don't enjoy nagging everyone all the time to "buy the book" (especially since it only makes sense and the nagging should not be necessary), but if you want us to stop, then pay our salaries :-) The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free software are over. You might find a few people who still do it, but you won't find it on an organizational level. Look, for example, at the Free Software Foundation. Have you read their literature lately? The rule of the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them. The Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses. If millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem to be the case. But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we" (organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you" with no compensation. The Internet and the BBSs are not big bags of free goodies. All of the things you find there represent human labor. If you make use of the products of that labor, you should respect the wishes of the people who did the work. >First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. > A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that (a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this area. But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we have to operate within certain constraints and are not necessarily free to do absolutely anything we (or you) can think of. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 16:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:12:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 11:12:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SET PRINTER & 0-byte files Date: 22 Jan 1995 16:12:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3fu059$b3r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan21.212536.1776@hartwick.edu>, Dick Wisan wrote: >A problem when you SET PRINTER filename and then \Kprtscn to start >logging to "printer". If there's no such file, Kermit creates it. >If the file exists and has something in it, Kermit appends to it, but >if it's a 0-byte file, Kermit balks with an error message that the >printer isn't ready. >This happened in MS-Kermit 3.13, but I waited for 3.14. 3.14 does it, >too. Surely this isn't intended? > Surely not. Version 3.14 was in Beta test for three months; did you report this problem? If so, the report must have been lost in the shuffle, or we would have addressed it. The best way to report problems like this is by email to: kermit@columbia.edu The more promptly you report them, the better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 21:14:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:32:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 17:32:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!proffa!a139146 From: a139146@proffa.cc.tut.fi (Ahokas Jarno) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and SCO UNIX Date: 22 Jan 1995 23:14:46 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology, Computing Centre Lines: 43 Distribution: sfnet Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: proffa.cc.tut.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Path: proffa!a139146 Date: 22 Jan 95 21:10:10 GMT Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: sfnet Subject: Kermit and SCO UNIX Hi there ! The idea is to use three or more old 286 as "terminals". They all have network adapters and dos 3.x plus drivers for adapters (I don't know the type of these adapters yet). Since the version of SCO we're buying is for 16 users it's possible to expand the network if needed. I was advised by a Finnish SCO "guru" to use MS-Kermit software since it includes support for scandinavian alphabet, terminal-emulations up to VT320 and built in TCP/IP (and it's free). I've also FTPed this software from kermit.cc.columbia.edu both for DOS and SCO UNIX. The DOS side is very well documented (at least 200-300 pages of documentation). There were several kermit programs for SCO UNIX as follows: ckuker.sco32v4 ckuker.sco32v4gcc ckuker.sco32v4net ckuker.sco32v4netc ckuker.sco32v4netgcc ckuker.sco386netc ckuker.sco3r2laic ckuker.sco3r2netnd ckuker.sco_odt30 ckuker._xenix_2.3 About this kermit program. I'm wondering how it actually works. Especially in the UNIX end. I want to make .BAT files in these "terminal AT's" so that when you run this .BAT file the next thing that appears in screen is SCO UNIX asking "login:" and "password:". I know that there must be kermit running in SCO UNIX but how can it handle multiple users and how can the software be run via kermit connection? Many thanks if you can help. Jarno Ahokas (Jarno.Ahokas@cc.tut.fi) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 14:46:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:54:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 18:54:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!not-for-mail From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: beginner macuser can't download Date: 21 Jan 1995 09:46:41 -0500 Organization: Plymouth State College Lines: 3 Sender: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toto.plymouth.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28". Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 23:18:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 19:23:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13968 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 19:23:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!mberg From: mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Message-Id: Reply-To: mike@mbrg.com Organization: N/A X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:18:59 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while I wait for a native NT version). (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new version that fixed that problem.) But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type junk. Thanks, Mike From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 01:39:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:40:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 21:40:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!brando.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@brando.uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A report on 8-bit Finnish characters and Kermit Date: 23 Jan 1995 01:39:03 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 32 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3fv1bn$g2o@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> Reply-To: ts@uwasa.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: brando.uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ft31u$79m@zippo.uwasa.fi> ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) writes: > define MIXED take mixed.cmd ;Use new 8-bit Finnish characters >it is again MIXED. There I have a small remaining hitch, since the >following to definitions will not send the \30 and \31 characters. > > set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends > set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends I found at least a temporary solution to this problem. The A" and A' keys are needed in editing. I use MicroEMACS so I added the following definitions to my .emacsrc and voila. bind-to-key execute-macro-3 ^X. bind-to-key execute-macro-4 ^X: 3 store-macro insert-string A" <-- \30 !endm 4 store-macro insert-string A' <-- \31 !endm All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Temporarily using an alternative email address ts@brando.uwasa.fi Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 128.214.87.1 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 15:21:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:09:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:09:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Message-Id: <1995Jan22.202111.7168@ais.com> Date: 22 Jan 95 20:21:11 EST References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >>In article <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 communications software for DOS and Windows was >>>released on January 12, 1995. >>... >>>Version 3.14 is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu >>... >>And then... >>... >>>BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their >>>BBSs for downloading by their users, >> >>Wonderful. >>It's OK to download Kermit from an ftp site, but not a BBS. >> > Evan, you didn't reproduce the entire statement, which said: > > . BBS operators are asked NOT to put the MS-DOS Kermit software on their > BBSs for downloading by their users, as this adversely affects the > Kermit effort, but rather to refer their users to Columbia University > to obtain a proper copy of the software with manual (contact info is > given below). > > . BBS operators who disagree with the previous condition are invited to > contact us directly at to discuss the matter. Frank, Please consider this as a suggestion rather than a flame. I fully under- stand your need to find funding -- after all, I run a business, so it's not as if I'm against commercial software or the needs of maintaining an adequate balance sheet. I'm not sure what the proper approach is, but I think that the current policy will prove counter-productive. Kermit is already a rather marginal product in the BBS world (for reasons that are mostly cultural rather than technical; we can debate the exact reasons, but the basic facts are really not in dispute), and this will probably be the last straw for it in that marketplace. I will say that you could put more information on how to buy the books into the standard documentation files, and/or convert Kermit to a share- ware product; I think both of these could generate some additional revenue. You have little or no obligation to support users who have down- loaded Kermit from BBSes; it's been your decision to spend the time to support such people. But the new policy may well result in a situation where you have few support demands ... because there are few people using the product (and consequently few book and tape sales, so therefore little revenue; possibly too little revenue to survive). This may or may not be a good thing, but it's not what you claim to want, so I fear that this issue may not have been thought through very well. (I'm tempted to say that perhaps someone more familiar with the business world should be consulted; in my experience, people from University environments -- even from the business offices in Universities -- often have few relevant skills to bring to the table when dealing with such problems). To put it bluntly, I think this approach will reduce your income (from book sales etc) without sufficiently reducing your support costs to make up the difference. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see how you can expect any other result. In that case, I would suggest that you (and Columbia) need to consider seriously whether the Kermit mission is one that is still worth working on. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 21 18:28:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:07:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 00:07:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!msunews!news From: mrr@scss3.cl.msu.edu (Mark Riordan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Date: 21 Jan 1995 18:28:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> Nntp-Posting-Host: via-annex0-1.cl.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Msunetid: mrr X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner>, burns@eisner.decus.org says... > >Does anyone know who has dibs on trying to get >C-Kermit working under NT ? A while ago the Windows Online BBS at (510)736-8343 had a file KMN077.ZIP: "Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full featured terminal emulation capability and modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen." Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not. /mrr From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 14:18:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:59:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 01:59:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Message-Id: <1995Jan22.201817.38781@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jan 95 20:18:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) writes: > I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated > to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while > I wait for a native NT version). > > (After wrestling with 231 screen lines for a while, I downloaded a new > version that fixed that problem.) > > But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to > display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 > and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck > mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with > it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, > and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type > junk. ------------- This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is, the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it. In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps you can fill in the blanks for us. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 22 15:25:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:08:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 02:08:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!fdn.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.rediris.es!power.ci.uv.es!news.upv.es!fchinest From: fchinest@pleione.cc.upv.es (Francisco Chinesta Soria) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit FAQ Date: 22 Jan 1995 15:25:37 GMT Organization: Centre de Calcul Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es> Nntp-Posting-Host: pleione.cc.upv.es X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Helo. Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit? Thanks in advance. Rafa From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 04:48:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:23:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 03:23:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: novice help Date: Sun, 22 Jan 1995 23:48:58 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with me. I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error. 1) Can someone help me with this problem and 2) Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one but its huge and technical. Thanks (private email preferred) Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net "I'm on cloud9!" :) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 10:16:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:22:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 05:22:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uknet!pipex!pipex!bt!demeter.aom.bt.co.uk!icarus.aom.bt.co.uk!not-for-mail From: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk (Steve Fosdick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode Date: 23 Jan 1995 10:16:52 -0000 Organization: BT Access Operations and Maintenance Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.aom.bt.co.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence? Thanks. -- Steve Fosdick Internet: stevef@aom.bt.co.uk Voice: +44 1473 642987 BT WEB: FOSDICK S J Fax: +44 1473 644607 BOAT: FOSDICSJ Snail: Room 210, B67, BT Labs, Martlesham Heath, Ipswich, IP5 7RE, England. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 10:18:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:06:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 06:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent? Date: 23 Jan 1995 10:18:54 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office PC before going home define servemode - set flow none,- set port tcp *,- set server login ID PASSWORD,- server I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility to remotely start another one. Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"? -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 00:52:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 09:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit as an ftp-daemon equivalent? Message-Id: <1995Jan23.065200.38807@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 06:52:00 MDT References: <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fvvqe$aam@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > How can I make MS-Kermit to act in a similar (or even better) way than an > ftp daemon like NCSA telnet? When I start the folloing macro at my office > PC before going home > > define servemode - > set flow none,- > set port tcp *,- > set server login ID PASSWORD,- > server > > I can, after dialing in from home to my campus net via modem, telnet to > my office pc, do some up/downloads, and even remotely run certain DOS > commands (e.g. zip files before downloading). However, I can do this only > once. After closing the MS-Kermit server session there is no possibility > to remotely start another one. > > Is there any tricky way to keep kermit alive, and in server mode, after > sending "bye", "finish" or "remote logout"? ---------------- Yes, you can control this behavior, and more, with the DISABLE and ENABLE commands. To be a perpetual server say DISABLE FINISH which will disable FINISH, BYE, LOGOUT from clients. You can also restrict access to changing directories, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:42:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:43:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: beginner macuser can't download Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:42:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3g0pr1$lvt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fr6oh$jln@toto.plymouth.edu>, Cynthia Campbell wrote: >HELP. Using powerbook 100 with Kermit 3.0 (or is it 0.98?). Whenever I go >Get File (in server), I get a message that says "bad input clear -28". >Any ideas. Thanks, cynthia. > Please try the current (non-)release of Mac Kermit: CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT As of: Sat Nov 12 11:00:53 1994 *** BULLETIN *** Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. ***************** The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Watch the Kermit Digest (or comp.protocols.kermit, same thing) for further announcements. You can subscribe to the Kermit Digest by sending email to LISTSERV@CUVMA.BITNET (or LISTSERV@CUVMA.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) containing the text: SUBSCRIBE I$KERMIT your-personal-name-here Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:46:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit FAQ Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:46:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3g0q11$m9o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fttdh$sd1@maia.cc.upv.es>, Francisco Chinesta Soria wrote: > Where can I find a FAQ about Kermit? > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit, Choose "Further Information", then "FAQ". Or anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:56:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:56:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit OS/2 (16Bit) Under WinNT Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:56:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3g0qjn$n6i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan5.152611.8468@eisner> <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3frjp5$12tm@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Mark Riordan wrote: >had a file KMN077.ZIP: > >"Kermit for Microsoft Windows v0.77: fairly complete implementation of >the Kermit file transfer protocol for MS-Win NT (32-bit) that includes >most of the extensions (long packets windowing, server mode, attribute >packets and enhanced error checking); includes a full featured terminal >emulation capability and modem dialer; cooperative multitasking is >fully supported; 01/27/94; Wayne Warthen." > >Dunno whether this was C-Kermit; probably not. /mrr > Actually, the latest versions are KM[WN]080.ZIP. W is Win 3.1 and N is NT. This is an original work not supported by Columbia but based on Frank's Kermit Protocol book. The interface is pretty and it supports Async and WINSOCK connections. BUT... it does not have any Script language and the VT emulators fail many of the vttest program's tests. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 17:57:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:57:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 12:57:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: novice help Date: 23 Jan 1995 17:57:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3g0qm9$n8s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich wrote: >I realize I'm way out of my league here in this newsgroup but bear with >me. I have succesfully figured out how to transfer text files but every >time I try to transfer a binary file( having set file type binary), when I >try to execute it, I get a 'File too Big' error. > >1) Can someone help me with this problem > First you have to say what kind of computer you have, what operating system, which Kermit program, and which version. But in general, the safest bet is to tell BOTH Kermit programs to "set file type binary". Yes, there are shortcuts, but you can learn them later. >and > >2) Can someone recommend an abridged version of a Kermit Doc (I have one >but its huge and technical. > Which documentation are you referring to? The two most popular Kermit programs, MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, each have excellent, professionally published manuals that are no more technical than you need them to be. They start out in tutorial fashion geared to novices, and work up to advanced stuff for those who need it. You can find out about the manuals by pointing your Web browser at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, or by sending an email inquiry to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 18:03:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 13:03:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way for remote end to finish connect mode Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:03:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3g0r1j$nrt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fvvml$198@icarus.aom.bt.co.uk>, Steve Fosdick wrote: >Is there a way that a remote system can get C-Kermit to drop out of >connect mode, for example by sending a particular escape sequence? > C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 supports this feature. Read about it in section 3.1 of the ckcker.upd (C-Kermit update notes) file that comes with it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 15:14:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:30:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:30:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!hilbert.dnai.com!hack.dragoman.com!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Date: 23 Jan 1995 15:14:30 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3g0h4m$i85@hack.dragoman.com> References: <1995Jan22.201817.38781@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik wrote: > >In article , mberg@netcom.com (Mike Berg) writes: [...] >> But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to >> display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 >> and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck >> mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal with >> it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's different now, >> and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead of as IBM PC-type >> junk. >------------- > This can be a confusing area. One needs to be sensitive to what >the byte values are when saying they do/don't display correctly. That is, >the text may be for another character set without us being aware of it. >In a communications environment both sides get to play this game, and we >don't know what the other side is doing. In the present case we don't know >if there is another side, and if there is then what it's like, etc. Perhaps >you can fill in the blanks for us. > Joe D. OK. I can see the difference when reading the usenet group can.francais. For example, the article "FAQ - les accents francais et Usenet", the following paragraph: + Oy qu'il riside, ` Nnmes ou mjme Capharna|m, tout Frangais inscrit au rtle rhglera son d{ avant Nokl, qu'il soit naof ou rbleur. ; Reading this (that is -- the original - hopefully properly copied here) from netcom.com using MS Kermit 3.13 displays this ISO-8859-1 text correctly, but not MS Kermit 3.14 with the nearly out-of-the-box configuration. Sorry for not being too clear about this in my previous posting. I haven't deleted 3.13 from my system yet, so I'm doing a side-by-side comparison. I assume I'm having some obvious configuration problem that I can't locate in the help - but that can be easily fixed. Mike From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 05:35:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 15:39:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 11:35:05 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: > In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt > to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version > 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because > the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style > if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? --------- It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 23:17:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26064 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:17:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 18:17:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and latin-1 Date: 23 Jan 1995 23:17:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3g1des$phr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Berg wrote: >I've been running 3.13 in Windows NT and liked it a lot. So I updated >to the new 3.14 version thinking things would get even better (while >I wait for a native NT version). > >But I still have one problem left: I cannot get accented characters to >display correctly. I've set term bytesize 8, term character-set latin1 >and code-page to cp437 (and also to cp850). I've never had much luck >mucking with code-pages in Windows NT, but Kermit 3.13 seemed to deal >with it correctly without any help from me. So I'm wondering what's >different now, and what I have to do get latin1 to display OK -- instead >of as IBM PC-type junk. > I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have CP850 loaded. If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to find out), then you won't see the right stuff. CP437 should be "mostly" OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic ones). Note, by the way, that MS-DOS Kermit's "set terminal code-page" does not actually do anything as far as loading code pages is concerned. It is simply a way to inform Kermit what the current code page actually is, so it can set up the correct translations. This is necessary because the DOS call that asks what the current code page is tends to lie, especially if it is not CP437 or CP850. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a CHARSET macro that displays all the characters of the current code page. What do you see when you type "charset" at the MS-Kermit> prompt? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 00:28:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:28:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 19:28:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.announce Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 patches Date: 24 Jan 1995 00:28:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3g1hjv$261@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1705 comp.protocols.kermit.announce:8 John W. Manly wrote... I just noticed what appears to be some nasty behavior in Kermit. (I've tried this on both Kermit 3.13 and the Jan 12th 3.14). I have some code in a LOGIN.COM to try to set the label of the window and icon in a DECwindows session using and operations, and it appears that Kermit is choking on these sequences rather than ignoring them. > For example, if I send the either of the sequences, 21;FOOBAR or 2L;FOOBAR to the Kermit emulator, it freezes up and requires an ALT-= to reset it. These sequences are used by DECwindows for changeing the label of a window or icon (I forget which is which), and while I wouldn't expect Kermit to do anything upon reception, I wouldn't expect it to lock up either. And mrichmon@paz.gsfc.nasa.gov (Michael Richmond) wrote: I discovered a possible bug in MS-DOS Kermit version 3.14 dated 12 Jan 1995. Kermit will find the initialization file when it is started with the command: kermit -f c:\not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini But it will not find the initialization file when it is started with the command: kermit -f \not_my_default_directory\mskermit.ini That is, the drive letter must be supplied on the command line when the initialization file is not in the default directory. This restriction does not exist in version 3.14/Beta-14 dated 20 Nov 1994. These are both bugs. They are fixed by patches. The patch files are available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a. Transfer them in text mode: For KERMIT.EXE: msr314.pch For KERMITE.EXE: msrm314.pch For KERLITE.EXE: msrl314.pch Put them in your top-level KERMIT directory and, if you are using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, they will be applied automatically. If you are not using the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, then put a PATCH command at the top of your startup file. You can tell that they have taken effect when Kermit's version herald reports: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3 Thanks to Joe Doupnik for the quick fixes! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 16:37:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:52:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:52:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: 23 Jan 95 11:37:10 -0500 Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University Lines: 5 Message-Id: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 16:38:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:09:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 23 Jan 1995 22:08:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!joverton From: joverton@uoguelph.ca (Jeff Overton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Elavil and Heartburn Date: 23 Jan 1995 16:38:26 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3g0m22$ggd@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca Keywords: Elavil & Heartburn - Lisa Overton X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- I am wondering about a possible connection between the heartburn difficulties and amitrypline or Elavil. For me the symptoms of heartburn flared around the same time I was increasing the dosage of Amit. Just wondering if anyone else has had this experience or if anyone knows if Elavil can aggravate heartburn or reflux problems? I am taking 150 mg Zantac daily , doesn't seem to be helping really. I am considering trying to go on a low carb diet or cutting out milk altogether. Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Lisa Overton, Guelph, ON Canada...That's 'gwelf' From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 18:30:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:08:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 02:08:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!gpu2!kiwayama From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telemate & Kermit help needed Date: 23 Jan 1995 18:30:40 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3g0skg$j8n@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to upload via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 80 and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or Qmodem which can be configured like this? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 21:09:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 07:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 07:32:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 23 Jan 1995 21:09:56 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3g15v4$kc@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: :In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: :>First no CD-ROMs and now this. Please reconsider. :A careful reading of the two paragraphs in the original posting shows that :(a) it is a request, not a policy, and (b) we are open to ideas in this :area. But, as discussed ad nauseum in the early days of this forum, we Way back then I think we about covered and analyzed every possible angle. I respect Frank's views and I know he appreciated mine. I see no reason for going over exactly the same arguments and counter-arguments again after just a few months. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 23 21:18:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:21:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 24 Jan 1995 10:21:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> Control: cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> Date: 23 Jan 95 16:18:49 -0500 Organization: Tufts University Lines: 1 Message-Id: <1995Jan23.161849@hnrc.tufts.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <1995Jan23.161041@hnrc.tufts.edu> From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 08:03:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:59:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 03:59:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!olivea!wetware!hack.dragoman.com!usenet From: mike@mbrg.com (Mike Berg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 and Latin-1 (problem solved) Date: 24 Jan 1995 08:03:55 GMT Organization: N/A Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3g2c9b$9ar@hack.dragoman.com> References: <3g1des$phr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: l52.ip.quake.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > >I don't have Windows NT here, but I can verify that in Windows 3.1, Kermit >displays Latin-1 characters correctly in CONNECT mode as long as you have >CP850 loaded. If NT is anything like Windows itself, then it won't allow >fonts to be loaded or code pages switched in a window, so if your code >page was not CP850 to start with (type "chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt to >find out), then you won't see the right stuff. CP437 should be "mostly" >OK, but it lacks some of the Latin-1 characters (notably the Icelandic >ones). > I figured out how to get most of Latin-1 to display OK. I just had to set the terminal to VT220 or VT320. When I had set the terminal to VT100, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 was displaying the characters as CP437 - i.e., without translation. This is a change from 3.13. (I booted up WFW 3.11 and observed the same behavior). Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 08:32:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 05:13:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 05:13:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Message-Id: <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 14:32:55 MDT References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and > pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to > automatically send and receive files from another computers. > > I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected > to my host, I get the string placed and executed. > > However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error > complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. > > For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on > the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords > match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. > > My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. > I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... > > Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the > impression from the documentation that this should work. ---------- Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized (the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator. Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 09:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:52:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 07:52:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan24.155339.39082@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 15:53:39 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: > In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: >> >> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? >> > > In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h. h is help no matter what I do to it. ----------- I'm moving this thread into my net.trivia queue. Macros don't overlay hard coded command names. They may conflict with some abbreviations of hard coded command names. If a one or two letter macro name does this for you then please choose another combination. It's hardly something to create a lot of traffic about. The general rule to apply is avoid macro names which are the same as a command or an abbreviation of a command; that will be a safe rule under all circumstances. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 14:28:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:37:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:37:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 09:28:53 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: :In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :> :> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and :> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to :> automatically send and receive files from another computers. :> :> I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected :> to my host, I get the string placed and executed. :> :> However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error :> complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. :> :> For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on :> the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords :> match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. :> :> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. :> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... :> :> Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the :> impression from the documentation that this should work. :---------- : Maybe I can clarify the matter for you. APC commands are recognized :(the stuff coming at a machine from outside) only by the VT200/300 terminal :emulators. It's a terminal-like command sequence, and to be recognized and :acted upon it must be received by an appropriate terminal emulator. : Terminal emulation is NOT active when transferring files or sending :file-like commands from the Kermit prompt. It is active only when you say :CONNECT. The command interpreters (Kermit command line stuff) are not :terminal emulators, the host o/s shell isn't a terminal emulator either. : Joe D. So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. Oh well, c'est la vie! --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 14:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:51:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 25 Jan 1995 09:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 14:51:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, >Joe Doupnik wrote: >:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >:> >:> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and >:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to >:> automatically send and receive files from another computers. > Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is. >:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. >:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... > You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC, which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc. >So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work >with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar >functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. > Of course it works. Just read the documentation and follow the instructions. For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read section 3.1 of ckcker.upd. For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations that depend on the program version. Version 3.12 and earlier did not have this feature. Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it was "ON". However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the accompanying material on the risks. This was done in version 3.14. Read about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version. Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on". And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS, and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 can be an APC sender. If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 15:19:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:54:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 04:54:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:19:18 GMT Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE Can't change speed to 14400 I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with a 28.8 USR Sportster. My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines: set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial set window 2 ; Use 2 window slots set block 3 ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking set receive packet-length 1000 ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets set modem sportster set line /dev/ttyS1 set speed 115200 set file type text set file name lit set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13} I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my modem, thinking these people knew more than I. Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates? P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently means "RX to DTE/RTS high". Could someone please explain this jibberish? (-; Thanks, Jim. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 02:43:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:26:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:26:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!rsg1.er.usgs.gov!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 09:43:34 MST Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1994 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) To: Status: OR [article both posted and mailed] In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: >> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt >> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version >> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because >> the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style >> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? >--------- > It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" >commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your >preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. > Joe D. I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed: MS-Kermit>ver IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 MS-Kermit>show macro x No macro(s) Free space (bytes) for names: 612 MS-Kermit>x ?Transmit file not found ?Timeout MS-Kermit>define x push MS-Kermit>show macro x X = push Free space (bytes) for names: 607 MS-Kermit>x ?Transmit file not found ?Timeout MS-Kermit> Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 13:46:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:46:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 08:46:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Date: 26 Jan 1995 13:46:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message > > CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE > Can't change speed to 14400 > >I am using Kermit(190) for Linux from a 486 PC Clone, together with >a 28.8 USR Sportster. > >My .mykermrc file has the following relevant lines: > >set delay 1 ; I escape back quickly >set dial display on ; I like to watch C-Kermit dial >set window 2 ; Use 2 window slots >set block 3 ; Use 16-bit CRC error checking >set receive packet-length 1000 ; Use 1000-character Kermit packets >set modem sportster >set line /dev/ttyS1 >set speed 115200 >set file type text >set file name lit >set dial init-string AT&F&A3&B1&H1&R2&D2&C1M0X4S0=0S7=90\{13} > >I copied my init string from the comm program which came with my >modem, thinking these people knew more than I. > >Can anyone suggest why I am not connecting at better rates? > As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to agree. Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed. Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what the connection speed turns out to be. Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed, or locked. You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem. Luckily, it could not do this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer. The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit to "set dial speed-matching off". See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for a longer explanation. >P.S., I noticed the above init string includes an &R2 which apparently >means "RX to DTE/RTS high". Could someone please explain this >jibberish? (-; > It probably means "don't let the modem send data to the computer unless the computer is asserting the Request To Send (RTS) signal". That's one half (one direction) of the bidirectional RTS/CTS flow-control regime. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 19:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 14:25:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 14:25:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 24 Jan 1995 14:12:55 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to automatically send and receive files from another computers. I can't get this to work right. If I do "apc " when connected to my host, I get the string placed and executed. However if I do this when the host is using C-Kermit, I get an error complaining that it doesn't recognize the command or string. For example, `apc r' prints r on the command line. If I'm in C-Kermit on the host (remember MSK locally) and I do `apc r' I see _r?no keywords match _r \ found on the C-Kermit> prompt. My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... Am I missing something so obvious that it's silly. I get the impression from the documentation that this should work. Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 18:18:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 18:32:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!ml5d+ From: Mark Kuang Luo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need help. Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:18:08 -0500 Organization: Senior, Social & Decision Sciences, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 8 Message-Id: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: andrew.cmu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi: I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated. Thanks _/ason From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 18:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:58:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 26 Jan 1995 19:15:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!emerald.tufts.edu!news.hnrc.tufts.edu!jerry From: jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Date: 24 Jan 95 13:29:37 -0500 Organization: USDA HNRC at Tufts University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1995Jan24.132937@hnrc.tufts.edu> References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mint.hnrc.tufts.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: > > Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? > In 3.14 I was able to define f but not h. h is help no matter what I do to it. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 21:19:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:35:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:35:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 21:19:45 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote: : Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment : single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines? You could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen. -- David From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 24 07:17:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 03:31:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 03:31:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: finish (no, not finnish!) Message-Id: <1995Jan24.131737.39041@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Jan 95 13:17:37 MDT References: <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu> <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu> <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g3anr$rcs@lynx.unm.edu>, galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes: > [article both posted and mailed] > > In <1995Jan23.113505.38853@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <1995Jan23.113710@hnrc.tufts.edu>, jerry@hnrc.tufts.edu (Jerry Dallal) writes: >>> In previous PC versions, all I needed to type was 'f' at my PC's KErmit prompt >>> to send a finish to a mainframe version working as a server. With version >>> 3.14, 'f' is unrecognized and 'fi' is required. I assume this is because >>> the forward command has been added. Would it be a major violation of style >>> if 'f' were allowed to continue to default to finish? >>--------- >> It would not be a swift idea. We already have too many "nicname" >>commands as it is. Surely FIN is not to cumbersome to type. But if your >>preferences are strong then DEFINE F FINISH. Self help. >> Joe D. > > I agree about the "nickname" commands - one person's nifty abbreviation > is another's non-mnemonic mystery - but I tried applying Joe's solution > to re-name an existing command (or its nickname) and failed: > > MS-Kermit>ver > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 > MS-Kermit>show macro x > No macro(s) > Free space (bytes) for names: 612 > > MS-Kermit>x > ?Transmit file not found > ?Timeout > MS-Kermit>define x push > MS-Kermit>show macro x > X = push > Free space (bytes) for names: 607 > > MS-Kermit>x > ?Transmit file not found > ?Timeout > MS-Kermit> > > Any suggestions on how to use 'x' as a macro name? -------- Yes, use "F" as in my example above. Not all macro names in conflict with exiting names will be accepted. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:00:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 04:34:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 04:34:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!mozz.unh.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!toto.plymouth.edu!not-for-mail From: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu (Cynthia Campbell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well? Date: 25 Jan 1995 11:00:46 -0500 Organization: Plymouth State College Lines: 3 Sender: cyncam@toto.plymouth.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: toto.plymouth.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? Thanks. cc. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 23:55:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 05:13:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 05:13:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 23:55:32 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850 CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to upload, I can only send a few packets. When the file is small (under about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!! I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host also. I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote machines with different C-Kermit edits. Therefore, I think the problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit. If you're not familiar with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect and talk on the phone at the same time. It's a direct connection to the remote dialup server. This is my last resort; I've spoken with system administrators and they have never even heard of such problems. I've tried everything I can think of; switching COM drivers, changing the flow control and speed, changing the packet size ... everything, Thanks in advance ... Andy From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 06:17:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 06:17:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 06:17:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188) Message-Id: <25JAN95.00282939.0029@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> From: "Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh!" Date: 25 JAN 95 00:15:43 AST Sender: usenet@unb.ca Organization: The University of New Brunswick Nntp-Posting-Host: unbvm1.csd.unb.ca Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992? I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to turn the 8th-bit-quoting off. Thanks....Bernie. ____________________________________________________________ | Bernie Connors | Dept of Geodesy and Geomatics | | Surveying Engineering | University of New Brunswick | | (student) | Fredericton, New Brunswick | | Q56X@unb.ca | Canada | |_________________________|________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:37:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:27:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 07:27:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 25 Jan 1995 11:37:47 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 79 Message-Id: <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: :In article <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu>, :Jerry Alexandratos wrote: :>In article <1995Jan24.143256.39063@cc.usu.edu>, :>Joe Doupnik wrote: :>:In article <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: :>:> :>:> I don't know what I'm missing here. I want to create a pcget and :>:> pcsend macro similar to the ones that I use with C-Kermit 5A(190) to :>:> automatically send and receive files from another computers. :> :Maybe you could be more specific about exactly which two kinds of computers :you are trying to do this for, and what the "other" version of Kermit is. : :>:> My guess is that C-Kermit isn't interpretting the string correctly. :>:> I've checked and everything says that it's using 8-bit modes, etc... :> :You're not being clear about which Kermit program is sending the APC, :which one is supposed to be receiving it, etc. : :>So I guess this means that macros like pcget and pcsend will only work :>with with C-Kermit. Dang! And I was hoping to emulate similar :>functionality from the pc end of a MSK to C-Kermit connection. :> :Of course it works. Just read the documentation and follow the instructions. : :For C-Kermit 5A(190), which I assume in your case is the "APC sender", read :section 3.1 of ckcker.upd. : :For MS-DOS Kermit as the "APC receiver", there are certain slight variations :that depend on the program version. Version 3.12 and earlier did not have :this feature. Version 3.13 was the first to support APC, and by default it :was "ON". However, during 3.13's lifetime we received a number of comments :stating that there were certain risks to having it on by default, and :therefore it was better to have it OFF by default in hopes that users would :do some reading to figure out how to turn it ON and hopefully see the :accompanying material on the risks. This was done in version 3.14. Read :about it in section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with this version. : :Basically, all you have to do is tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set term apc on". : :And on the subject of APC, note that C-Kermit 5A(190) (in the UNIX, VMS, :and OS/2 versions) now can itself be an APC receiver, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 :can be an APC sender. : :If you have any further problems after reading the documentation, report them :by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. : :- Frank Sorry, I apoligize I guess I wasn't clear enough, or maybe I should've quoted the original post a little more than what I did. The ignorance is mine in this matter. I didn't think that I would have to be in terminal mode to make these macros work from the MSK side when I was using MSK locally and CK on the host. However, Joe's explanation that you need to be in terminal mode for the APC commands to be received straightened everything out for me. I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all. They do. I should know, I use them almost everyday! What I meant was that there was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to execute them). Damn! Improper pronount/subject reference. Maybe I should've listened to my elementary school grammar teacher with a little more fervor? 8) Thanks for all the input though. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:01:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:01:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:01:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help. Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:01:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gaubj$qma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Kuang Luo wrote: >I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes >to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Or if anyone has a short >explanation, it would be appreciated. > I think you are asking: how can Kermit transfer 8-bit data over 7-bit communication links? You can find the answer in the Kermit protocol specification: Frank da Cruz, "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", Digital Press / Butterworth Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. Your school library probably has a copy. >Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a www page > Yes to both. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/. You'll find the FAQ in "Further Information". Also by ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, kermit/FAQ.TXT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 13:16:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:02:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:02:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!ub4b!idefix.CS.kuleuven.ac.be!news.fundp.ac.be!Newsmaster From: jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 27 Jan 1995 13:16:07 GMT Organization: FUNDP, Namur, Belgium Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jean-luc.goffin@fundp.ac.be Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-jlg.cc.fundp.ac.be Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >>and TCP/IP 32? >Yes. >> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a >>packet driver will not work. >> >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive >discussion of this problem. >Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary >mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME >to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC >for the information you are asking for. > >- Frank I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family. I have make modifications in files system.ini and protocol.ini. I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat file. Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a. Thanks for any info, Jean-Luc From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:04:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:04:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:04:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: Trailing comments Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:04:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3gauhc$qte@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3fo2ib$c19@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Thomas David Nichols wrote: >Peter Schmolck (p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de) wrote: >: Just wondering. And, of course, it would be nice to be able to comment >: single commands in macro definitions. Any leads? > >Would it work to put full-line comments between the macro lines? You >could use spaces to place the comments on the right side of your screen. > No, it would not work. There is presently no reliable way to imbed comments within an MS-DOS Kermit command, and a macro definition is a command. You can have full-line comments and trailing comments, but not imbedded comments. Yes, this is a desirable feature, and maybe it will appear in a future release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:07:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:07:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:07:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: 8-bit-quote and C-Kermit 5A(188) Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:07:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3gaunq$r44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <25JAN95.00282939.0029@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25JAN95.00282939.0029@unbvm1.csd.unb.ca>, Bernie Connors, UNB, New Brunswick, CANADA, eh! wrote: >Can anybody tell me how to set the "8-bit-quote" to "off" with >C-Kermit 5A(188) 23 Nov 1992? >I tried "set ?" but I could not find a command that could be used to >turn the 8th-bit-quoting off. > This is explained, clearly I hope, in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". There is no explicit command to turn this feature off and on. It is used if PARITY is not NONE, i.e. if it is EVEN, ODD, MARK, or SPACE. If PARITY is NONE, it is not used. Note that Kermit will detect EVEN, ODD, or MARK parity automatically, and will use 8th-bit prefixing (and/or locking shifts) if it is detected, as it must do in order to transmit 8-bit data through a 7-bit channel. Also note that the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:18:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:18:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is this newsgroup for mac users of kermit as well? Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:18:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3gavbl$s4o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5sje$fl@toto.plymouth.edu>, Cynthia Campbell wrote: >HI. I left a message some time ago but later realized that kermit is >mostly not used by macs so I'd appreciate it if someone could leave a >message as to whether this news group is geared to non-mac users? > It doesn't have to be. There is a Macintosh version of Kermit and everybody is free to use it and discuss it, but it's only fair to warn you that it is not supported as well as MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, or IBM Mainframe Kermit, due to lack of Macintosh programmers available to work on the project. Mac Kermit was originally written here at Columbia University in the days when we still had a staff of professional programmers for Kermit software development. Those days are long gone, and since then we have relied on a succession of volunteer programmers elsewhere. The last of these succumbed to the exigencies of Real Life some years ago, and since then the Macintosh-specific aspects of Mac Kermit have remained relatively static, which would not be such a bad thing if it were not for the fact that Macintosh hardware and OSs have been changing out from under it at a rapid pace. For example, Mac Kermit suddenly lost its ability to download (receive) files when Mac OS 7.1 was released, because a particular system call started working differently (I fixed this problem myself, but that should not be taken as an indication that I know anything about Macintosh programming!). The current version of Mac Kermit is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It has some problems and limitations, which are listed in the accompanying "beware" file, but it is quite usable for many purposes and has a good VT320 emulator. Mac Kermit files, ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. Macintosh programmers with an MPW C 3.2 (or later) development system are more than welcome to pitch in. Nothing would please me more than to be able to bring Mac Kermit back to life. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:27:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:27:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:27:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With MSK 3.14 And APC Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3gavrk$sq9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g3jfo$4rr@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5n75$a1g@chopin.udel.edu> <3g5ogv$glp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5uor$j8f@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: >... >I didn't mean that the pcsend/get macros don't work at all. They do. >I should know, I use them almost everyday! What I meant was that there >was no way to do the same functionality using APC with MSK on the local >machine and CK on the host because there was no terminal emulation >present (since I would have to escape back to the command line to >execute them). > Maybe this will help. There are different approaches to automating things. If you want the client (the "local" Kermit, the Kermit that is running on the PC on your desk, or whatever) to control things, then you do this with a script program using INPUT and OUTPUT and related commands to send commands to the host and read and act on its responses. If you want the host to control things, then your local Kermit must be in terminal mode, and the host sends commands to it embedded in APC sequences. A third configuration has the host Kermit program in server mode, and the local Kermit controlling it with SEND, GET, REMOTE, and FINISH commands. A fourth has the local Kermit in server mode and the remote one controlling it in the same way. Other combinations can be imagined, e.g. both Kermit programs running scripts at the same time that interact with each other, but the main trick is in appreciating that we don't have a "modeless" situation here, so when automating things, the controlling script must be conscious of what mode the controlled entity is in. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 14:38:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:38:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 09:38:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:38:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >The problem is this: I can download beautifully (9K packets at 1850 >CPS on a 19200 device with no harware compression), but when I try to >upload, I can only send a few packets. When the file is small (under >about 3 packets), I get amazing transfer rates, as high as 7500 CPS!!! > >I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 on my PC and C-Kermit on the remote host >also. I've tried this with MS-Kermit on this end under both DOS and >OS/2 (with MS-Kermit the problem is even worse; can send absolutely no >more than one packet), and I've tried uploading to different remote >machines with different C-Kermit edits. Therefore, I think the >problem must be my DOV (data-over-voice) unit. If you're not familiar >with these, they are Hayes compatible modems that allow you to connect >and talk on the phone at the same time. It's a direct connection to >the remote dialup server. > Data connections are rarely symmetrical. The fact that something works in one direction is not a good predictor of success in the other direction. Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction, tiny buffers in the upstream direction. A common configuration, based on the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands). Where are these "buffers"? Probably in the terminal server. And in your case maybe we also have something going on with the modems. Maybe your DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down. To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the communications equipment to be more symmetrical. This requires digging through the technical manuals for the devices involved. But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path: between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the terminal server, and so on. This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow control if it is available. In-band "software" flow control methods such as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well. Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not always available. For example, one popular terminal server model supports RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 25 03:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:12:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 12:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wyse 60 emulation? Date: 24 Jan 1995 22:06:33 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g4f7p$ksh@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3fi86h$ben@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are you looking of native mode or scan code mode??? From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 19:34:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 16:46:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Date: 27 Jan 95 19:34:09 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <791228596snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes: > Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available? > I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is > KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download. The probability is 1: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 19:13:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:21:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 18:20:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!pavo.concordia.ca!g_rober From: g_rober@pavo.concordia.ca (ROBERT, GABRIEL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way to do VT100 emulation in C-Kermit under FreeBSD ? HELP! Date: 27 Jan 1995 14:13 -0500 Organization: Concordia University Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <27JAN199514132218@pavo.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: pavo3.concordia.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I need to emulate a VT100 terminal from FreeBSD version 1. I am currently using Kermit 5A(190). A friend told me there was no way to do such a thing! I hope somebody out ther would have a better answer: I am looking for: 1) a way to do it from Kermit OR 2) a VT-100 terminal emulation that I could use from FreeBSD to contact the host. (I am using a 386) Thank you in advance: any help will be greatly appreciated Gabriel ROBERT Computer Science, 2nd year Concordia University, CANADA From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 20:38:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:29:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:29:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Re: File Transfers Fail Uploading but not Downloading! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University References: <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 20:38:27 GMT Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gb0hr$ki@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Yours are the classic symptoms of big buffers in the downstream direction, >tiny buffers in the upstream direction. A common configuration, based on >the assumption that when one makes a dialup connection, the only upstream >traffic will be keystrokes (at most, 10 per second), but the downstream >traffic will be voluminous (the responses to your commands). > >Where are these "buffers"? Probably in the terminal server. And in your >case maybe we also have something going on with the modems. Maybe your >DOV modems allocate higher bandwidth upstream than down. > >To cope with this situation, you can sometimes reconfigure the >communications equipment to be more symmetrical. This requires digging >through the technical manuals for the devices involved. ... and having access to that communications equipment. I doubt PUCC would be to keen on such an extended level of customer service. >But in any case, it is ESSENTIAL to institute the most effective possible >means of flow control at EVERY juncture along the communication path: >between your PC and the modem, between the answering modem and the >terminal server, and so on. This should be "hardware" (RTS/CTS) flow >control if it is available. In-band "software" flow control methods such >as Xon/Xoff do not work nearly as well. Unfortunately RTS/CTS is not >always available. For example, one popular terminal server model supports >RTS/CTS only in one direction (the downloading one, on the aforementioned >assumption) so uploads through these devices often run into trouble. Well, I was using RTS/CTS between my PC and the modem, and no flow control between the machine and the terminal server. I've tried changing these with no success. I can't figure out what the modem pool uses to communicate with the terminal server, and I don't think I could change it if I needed to. So, I guess I'm just hosed, unless other people start complaining about this as well ... Andy From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 09:46:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:16:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:16:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Darin Wayrynen) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:46:23 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ppp:8554 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1738 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and now only supports dynamic IP addressing. I've not yet been able to make MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM, and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like mine? Should I try CSLIP? Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit? I can't (won't!) run Windows. I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit. (Because I love it!) I can't communicate with my ISP. (They're way too arrogant!) I'm desparate. Please help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com [Posted to both comp.protocols.ppp and comp.protocols.kermit.misc] From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 28 03:36:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:29:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:29:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit (group 1 and group 2 modules) UNIX Date: 27 Jan 1995 22:36:47 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 10 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3gce4f$6at@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to know how to maintain global variables after I pass in and out of the user interface. I checked the program logic manual, but it only made a passing reference to the fact the variables are not normally kept when calling group 2 fuctions. Please help me this is the last thing I need to get my custom version into beta:) thanks in advance, Paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 16:36:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:07:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:07:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl4.crl.com!not-for-mail From: nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: 25 Jan 1995 08:36:23 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl4.crl.com Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ftvo3$arl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >The sad fact is that the good old days of subsidized development of free >software are over. You might find a few people who still do it, but you >won't find it on an organizational level. Look, for example, at the Free >Software Foundation. Have you read their literature lately? The rule of >the 90s is: if you want people to work for you, you have to pay them. The >Kermit effort, and the FSF (if I may speak for them), are relics from the >good old days who want to keep a certain non-commercial, open, and >generous spirit alive, and make some contribution to humanity, but are >forced by economic circumstances to raise money to cover expenses. If >millions of people did not use and benefit from our software, we might >think that we were irrelevant anachronisms who deserved to disappear and >give way to the voracious market forces of the 90s, but that does not seem >to be the case. But what is disturbing is the growing attitude that "we" >(organizations like the Kermit group and the FSF) should work for "you" >with no compensation. Eloquent, sad and true. We have to support Kermit by buying its books just as we have to support PBS with our contributions. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 19:44:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:17:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:17:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit Unix Date: 25 Jan 1995 14:44:09 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 8 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g69m9$sk3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am working on an internal version of c-kermit.....I need to know where I can declare a couple of vars (3 ints and a char array) such that they will be global to all modules. thanks in advance paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 04:40:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:51:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 07:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help. Message-Id: <1995Jan25.104036.39192@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Jan 95 10:40:36 MDT References: <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 137 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8j9IFUu00iWP859O8s@andrew.cmu.edu>, Mark Kuang Luo writes: > Hi: > I need to find out for my networks class how Kermit allows all bytes > to be displayed in 7-bit ASCII format. Is there a FAQ for Kermit, or a > www page? Or if anyone has a short explanation, it would be appreciated. ------------- Far be it from me to do your homework (I'm a Prof too, and my grad networks class is slaving away on my IP packet fragment reassembly techniques without many hints from me). Your question is a little mysterious. Kermit does not display all bytes as ASCII because not all byte values (code points in the jargon) are displayable (printable in the jargon). Control codes aren't, for example. Only one character set is ASCII, ASCII itself. Yet Kermit deals with many different character sets. In general, there isn't a way of answering adequately in a News message, but I'll indicate the tip of the iceberg in a few sentences. Display devices have one or two display "pages", named Graphics Left (GLeft) and Graphics Right (GRight). GLeft is without a high bit set in its code points and is often ASCII; GRight is for code points with the high bit set and is a variety of character sets. VT100 terminals have only GLeft and use control codes SO and SI to change to/from (Shift Out / In, respectively) a replacement character set. VT200 and above have GLeft and GRight, and they support ISO 2022 control sequences to map character sets to either GR or GL. ISO 2022 says behind the GR/GL display pair exists four pages named G0..G3 ready to move into GR/GL upon command. Commands exist to load G0..G3 with character sets of choice drawn from a secondary storage of many possible sets. If you review cryptic doc msvibm.vt located on kermit.columbia.edu in directory kermit/a you will see the command sequences to load GR/GL from G0..G3, to shift in/out, and so on. That's hard to understand without also reading the ISO 2022 doc, but we can't reproduce the latter item (copyright, etc). A cutout of some interesting pieces of msvibm.vt are appended below. If you have access to DEC VT200/300/400 technical manuals then they have good pictures and discussion of the ISO 2022 mechanisms. Joe D. --------------- ESC ( SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G0 ESC ) SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G1 ESC * SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G2 ESC + SCS Designates 94 byte character set to G3 ESC - SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G1 ESC . SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G2 ESC / SCS Designates 96 byte character set to G3 size character set A 94 UK-ASCII (ASCII, sharp sign 2/3 replaced by Sterling sign), strictly only when a VT102 but permitted by Kermit also for VT220/VT320 A 96 ISO Latin-1 (default in G2, G3) B 94 ASCII (default in G0, G1) 0 94 DEC Special Graphics (line drawing) 1 94/96 Kermit, ALT-ROM 2 94 DEC Special Graphics (line drawing) %5 94 DEC Supplemental Graphics < 94/96 User Preferred Supplemental Set* > 94 DEC Technical set (from VT340's) H 96 Hebrew-ISO (ISO 8859-8) "4 94 Hebrew-7 * VT300 terminals give choice of ISO Latin-1 (96) or DEC Supplemental Graphics (94) determined by a Setup menu selection or host command. VT420 Hebrew terminals add choices of Hebrew-ISO and Hebrew-7. MS-DOS Kermit has DEC Supplemental Graphics as the startup UPSS character set. If the size of the character set does not match the nothing happens. Startup defaults are ASCII in G0 and G1, ISO Latin-1 in G2 and G3, GL points to G0, GR points to G2. Activating DEC National Replacement Characters maps the NRC set selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET into G0..G3. Single and Locking shifts, SS2, SS3, LS0 (SI), LS1 (SO), LS1R, LS2, LS2R, LS3, LS3R determine which set is mapped to the GLeft or GRight area. ESC n LS2 Map character set in G2 to GL, locking shift ESC o LS3 Map character set in G3 to GL, locking shift ESC | LS3R Map character set in G3 to GR, locking shift ESC } LS2R Map character set in G2 to GR, locking shift ESC ~ LS1R Map character set in G1 to GR, locking shift Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area: Name ASCII value chart hex keyboard operation SO/LS1 0/14 0eh ^N Map character set in G1 to GL, locking shift SI/LS0 0/15 0fh ^O Map character set in G0 to GL, locking shift Control codes in C1 (high bit set) Area: Name ASCII value chart 8-bit 7-bit operation SS2 8/14 8eh ESC N Map G2 to GL for next char only, single shift SS3 8/15 8fh ESC O Map G3 to GL for next char only, single shift Character sets: VT320 Character set storage areas G0 G1, G2, and G3 ------------------------------- -------------------------------- Any 94 char set Any 94 or 96 char set ASCII ("B"/94) default G1 default is ASCII ("B"/94), G2 and G3 defaults are ISO Latin-1 ("A"/96) Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94) Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS-DOS Kermit only) Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94) Technical (">"/94) (from VT340) User Preferred, UPSS, if Suppl Gr. UPSS if ISO Latin-1 or Suppl Gr. DEC-Hebrew or Hebrew-ISO National Replacement Characters are forced into all sets when activated by CSI ? 42 h but only if a has been previously selected by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET VT102 Character set storage areas G0 and G1 G2 and G3 -------------------------------- ---------------------------------- ASCII ("B"/94) Default ASCII ("B"/94) Default Special Graphics ("0"/94, "2"/94) Alt-Rom ("1"/94) (MS Kermit only) Supplementary Graphics ("%5"/94) Technical (">"/94) (from VT340) National Replacement Characters Always ASCII ("B"/94) are selected and activated by SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET and affect only G0 and G1. Request CSI ? 26 n keyboard dialect Response CSI ? 27; Ps n in MS Kermit this is controlled by command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET Ps Country Ps Country 1 North American/ASCII 9 Italian 2 British 13 Norwegian/Danish 8 Dutch 16 Portugese 6 Finnish 15 Spanish 14 French 12 Swedish 4 French Canadian 11 Swiss (German) 7 German 14 Hebrew From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 22:22:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:44:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:43:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!texas.net!usenet From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 25 Jan 1995 22:22:13 GMT Organization: UDP Inc. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialnet09.texas.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world. Recently, a need has arisen to xmit data to an IBM AS/400. I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist. Is this true? If so, can anyone suggest an alternate method to explore? Any help offered is greatly appreciated. David From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 17:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:27:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:27:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 28 Jan 1995 17:26:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net>, David J. Moczygemba wrote: >Hello, > > My realm is the DEC VAX/AXP world. Recently, a need has arisen to xmit >data to an IBM AS/400. I would like to use kermit for this purpose. I >have reviewed the material I have available locally; my impression is >kermit for AS/400 doesn't exist. Is this true? If so, can anyone >suggest an alternate method to explore? No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series. Might I ask what operating system is running on the AS/400? Is it AIX/400 or OS/400? Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your dilemma. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 03:50:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28893 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:55:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:55:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Message-Id: <1995Jan28.095059.39578@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 95 09:50:59 MDT References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be>, jlg@fundp.ac.be (Jean-Luc GOFFIN) writes: >>>Has anyone tried to make Kermit run over Windows for Workgroups >>>and TCP/IP 32? > >>Yes. > >>> ..... However some users need Windows for Workgroups, and then a >>>packet driver will not work. >>> > >>MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes with a file that includes an extensive >>discussion of this problem. > >>Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary >>mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Read top-level READ.ME >>to get started. Read the Windows for Workgroups of NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC >>for the information you are asking for. >> >>- Frank > > I use ethernet adapters 3com Etherlink Family. I have make modifications > in files system.ini and protocol.ini. > I have a error PRO0008E "invalid decimal digit in protocol.ini file" > "error loading protman.ini" when I execute "net start" in autoexec.bat > file. > > Does anybody have experience (samples files.ini) installing kermit 3.14 > under Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with 3c509 or 3c503 Etherlink card, > netbeui, ipx/spx compatible with netbios, MS-TCP/IP 3.11a. ------------- Syntax errors you will have to work out slowly at your end, but I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack loaded. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 17:43:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:30:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:30:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!yvax.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and resize Message-Id: <791228596snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:43:16 +0000 Reply-To: Michael Bernardi Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk References: <3fma83$hl4@kronos.fmi.fi> <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: The Children's Society X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3fooav$a95@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: >As announced in yesterday's posting, this was indeed a serious bug >in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 dated 12 January 1995. That version has been >replaced by a new one dated 18 January 1995, which fixes this bug. > >If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you >want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of >your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other >file you might have modified. Is there any chance that the KERMIT.EXE on it's own could be made available? I'm on a dialup connection and if the only thing that has changed is KERMIT.EXE then I'm actually duplicating my download. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jan 25 12:06:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:47:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:47:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Several problems with 01/18 release. Message-Id: <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 25 Jan 95 18:06:30 CST Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all. I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten when I'm logged into my Unix account. Is anyone else having this problem? I had hoped that the new release would fix this. I'm having another problem as well. Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the connection. I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem. If you give a text reference, I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a couple of days). Oh, yeah. 3.14 barfs in Windows now, too. It floods the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS. Finally, the dialer will sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU). This may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence (13 seconds). The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it tries to enable modulation fallback. I've reverted to the old script that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my preferences in the modem itself. Help on any or all of these problems would be greatly appreciated. If you need more information, I'll be more than happy to provide it. Thanks for your help, Troy Smith P.S. Sorry if the formatting is weird, but I'm using an unfamiliar editor to post this. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 19:13:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:04:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to do VT100 Date: 28 Jan 1995 14:13:10 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 1 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3ge506$27d@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <27JAN199514132218@pavo.concordia.ca> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What kind of terminal are you using?? From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 19:16:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:06:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:06:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: C-Kermit Development (global vars) Date: 28 Jan 1995 14:16:45 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 32 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3ge56t$28f@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Just like in any C program, any variable that you declare outside of >a function is global to the entire program unless you declare it >static. > >However, I would recommend that you declare the vars in the module >closest in association with the use of the vars. >Might I ask what modifications you are making to the ck code? Thanks for the reply - I have plowed my way through the code and now have the new version in test. (I ended up declaring the vars outside main in ckcmai and then declairing them as external in the other mods) My only remaining problem is one that I need my vars to live on after the user passes in uses the command mode (user interface..... ie When I drop to the C-kermit> prompt then move back to connect mode all my vars are reinitiated. This is refered to in the Program Logic manual only they refer to them as group 1 and group 2 fuctions. At Last to my question: Using the nomenclature of the Program Logic Manual I need to maintain my vars when moving from group 1 fuctions to group 2 fuctions. How I do this?? :) This version keeps a copy of the current terminal screen in memory, and a tool or two to use that screen. thanks, paul From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 26 02:18:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:26:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:26:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newstf01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit Unix Date: 25 Jan 1995 21:18:02 -0500 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 12 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <3g70oq$3u0@newsbf02.news.aol.com> References: <3g69m9$sk3@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: drakepr@aol.com (DrakePR) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A little more background: 1) The vars are currently defined in ckcmai 2) 2 small fuctions live in ckutio 3) another fuction lives in one of the ckuusr modules 4) All seems to work fine while I remain in connect mode. However if I exit to the prompt and return my vars are redefined. :( Again, thanks in advance. paul DrakePR@aol.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 11:16:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:29:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and Dynamic IP Addresses Message-Id: <1995Jan28.171658.39633@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jan 95 17:16:58 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.ppp:8581 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1751 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > My Internet service provider recently "upgraded" its terminal servers and > now only supports dynamic IP addressing. I've not yet been able to make > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 work with any packet driver other than SLIP8250.COM, > and I can no longer use it because it requires static IP addresses. > > Has anyone out there found a way to use MS-DOS Kermit in a situation like > mine? Should I try CSLIP? Are there DOS-based PPP drivers that, unlike > Merit's ETHERPPP, will work with Kermit? > > I can't (won't!) run Windows. > > I _must_ run MS-DOS Kermit. (Because I love it!) > > I can't communicate with my ISP. (They're way too arrogant!) > > I'm desparate. --------- Well, just how does your service provider indicate the IP number to be used for a particular connection? If it's sent as part of a logon message then what you need is to write a tiny script to do the logon chatter and pick out the IP number. Note that MSK v3.14 supports \v(input) to make the INPUT command's buffer available to the sundry \f...() string manipulation operators. Might your provider support Bootp over SLIP? If so that's the end of the problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jan 28 14:49:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:02:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!asstdc.scgt.oz.au!mcc!paul.garcia From: paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telemate & Kermit help ne Message-Id: <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 00:49:00 +1000 Distribution: world Organization: My Computer Company BBS, Australia [+61] (02) 565-1044 Reply-To: paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> X-Newsreader: PCBoard Version 15.21 X-Mailer: PCBoard/UUOUT Version 1.10 Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to circumvent this? Appreciate any advice. <> * RM 1.3 02295 * ... Navy pilot's worst nightmare...NO CARRIER! From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 03:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:51:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:51:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!texas.net!usenet From: davidm@texas.net (David J. Moczygemba) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 29 Jan 1995 03:01:59 GMT Organization: Home Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialnet14.texas.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >No, currently there is no Kermit for the AS/400 series. Might I ask >what operating system is running on the AS/400? Is it AIX/400 or OS/400? > >Additional info might be useful in attempting to assist you in your >dilemma. > Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 07:39:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 03:00:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 03:00:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sun, 29 Jan 1995 07:39:12 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up on other comm programs. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 01:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 05:47:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 05:47:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Several problems with 01/18 release. Message-Id: <1995Jan26.070621.39295@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Jan 95 07:06:21 MDT References: <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan25.180630.83691@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > Hi, all. I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 (yes, it's the 18 Jan. release) > and I'm still having problems with the status line being overwritten > when I'm logged into my Unix account. Is anyone else having this > problem? A blind guess is your host is addressing the status line specifically, such as ESC [ 25 ; column H. LOG SESSION to obtain material for analysis, wrap in uuencoding to protect binary information, mail to me, jrd@cc.usu.edu, with commentary. I had hoped that the new release would fix this. I'm having > another problem as well. Kermit no longer hangs up the phone properly > --I have to break into command mode and issue ath in order to break the > connection. I'm using my old DATAPORT.SCR and MSCUSTOM.INI files from > 3.13, so that shouldn't be a problem. If you give a text reference, But it can be. Please use the one shipped with MSK 3.14 and add your changes. > I'll be able to look it up when my book finally arrives (should be in a > couple of days). Oh, yeah. 3.14 barfs in Windows now, too. It floods > the screen with what looks like 8-bit characters whenever I connect to > our terminal server, but doesn't do it in DOS. Finally, the dialer will Something at your end, such as providing expanded memory but forgetting to pin down where the 64KB expanded memory frame goes (that's a frame=segment kind of construction). Please review the release notes in v3.14 about memory management. > sometimes die immediately after making a connection with the server > (then I have to wait for the timeout and restart the dial, busy, dial, > busy, etc. routine that is all too familiar to those of us at KU). This > may be attributed to my somewhat aggressive timing on the redial sequence > (13 seconds). > > The reason for using my old DATAPORT.SCR is that the new one dies when it > tries to enable modulation fallback. I've reverted to the old script > that I modified that doesn't try to set anything and hard-coded my > preferences in the modem itself. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jan 26 10:31:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 08:50:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU!CMSFJK From: CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (F.J.Kelley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0 Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 15:31:52 EST Organization: University of Georgia Lines: 17 Message-Id: <17332DA68.CMSFJK@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1756 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:15512 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Net, Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered elsewhere, but .... I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine. The problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running NOS. NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor (FSE) that really likes such an environment. When I used DOS, I could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP. So I though I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but no luck. Is anyone using such a combination with success? I would appreciate any information you might have, thanks, -- Joe Kelley jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 05:13:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:22:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:22:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!hermes.louisville.edu!ulkyvm.louisville.edu!JWPURPZ1 From: JWPURPZ1@ulkyvm.louisville.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14: BegWare? Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:13:07 EST Organization: University of Louisville Lines: 17 Message-Id: <173358FB7S85.JWPURPZ1@ulkyvm.louisville.edu> References: <3f6k1k$i58@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ulkyvm.louisville.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3g5um7$isk@crl4.crl.com> nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes: [re: software costs, etc.] >Eloquent, sad and true. We have to support Kermit by buying its books >just as we have to support PBS with our contributions. I think this is a great way to do it. I recently bought Lamport's book on LaTeX. Anytime you can get the quality of software in Kermit or LaTeX, etc. for the price of a <$40 book it's a bargain! I hope it's a trend. WAKELEY PURPLE JWPURPZ1@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU WAKEP@IGLOU.COM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:33:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:33:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:33:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Using MS-Kermit(3.13) with OS/2 2.11 + TCP 2.0 Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:33:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3ggch0$74l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17332DA68.CMSFJK@uga.cc.uga.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1758 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:15534 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17332DA68.CMSFJK@uga.cc.uga.edu>, F.J.Kelley wrote: >Hi Net, >Apologies if this is going to the wrong group, or is already answered >elsewhere, but .... >I am using OS/2 2.11 and IBMs TCP 2.0 ... both are working fine. The >problem comes in communicating with a CDC Cyber 960 mainframe running >NOS. NOS can provide a full screen environment, and has an editor >(FSE) that really likes such an environment. When I used DOS, I >could use both MSKermit and CUTCP to connect to our Cyber with no >problems (we wrote an xlate table for the Cyber)...but I have not >been successful in setting up similiar tables for either C-Kermit >for OS/2 or the Telnet package that comes with IBMs TCP. So I though >I'd see whether I could use MSKermit to make the telnet connection, but >no luck. Is anyone using such a combination with success? I would >appreciate any information you might have, thanks, >-- Joe Kelley jkelley@uga.cc.uga.edu You cannot use MS-DOS Kermit in OS/2 for Telnet without being able to dedicate a separate Network card to its DOS session. However, the xlate table you create for the Cyber should work for C-Kermit. The question is where is the xlate table installed. I assume that it is a table that defines a terminal emulation and keyboard setup. Correct? If so, then what you need to do is create a keyboard map file that sets the keys up so that they match those that you are using in MS-DOS Kermit. Take a look at CKOVTK2.INI for an example of a complete VT220 keyboard layout. Be sure to be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190), not 5A(189). ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/cko190.zip Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:35:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:35:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and TCP/IP 32 Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:35:25 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3ggcjt$19r@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3f8i67$5bd@hasle.oslonett.no> <3fe553$m4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3garmn$ilq@hermes.fundp.ac.be> <1995Jan28.095059.39578@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I can say that Kermit will not run over Microsoft's TCP/IP 32 bit stack >nor can you use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack with that second stack >loaded. > Joe D. Hi Joe, I have not yet downloaded the final version of Kermit 3.14 and have not read the SETUP.DOC for NETWORKS, but there may be a solution. Dan Lanciani has written a NDIS3 to real mode packet driver VXD which is supposed to handle this sort of thing. It multiplexes the WIN32 IP stack with the DOS packet driver based IP stack. This should allow Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack to function. I have not tested this with Kermit, but it is similar to PKTMUX in function. It's worth examining. There is a reference to this driver and a location in the comp.os.tcpip.ibmpc FAQ. Brian Angus bangus@hookup.net bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:42:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:42:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:42:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:42:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, David J. Moczygemba wrote: >In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: > >Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as the file transfer protocol. Use it to move the file to some intermediary machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE. An OS/2 box with Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do. You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET on the intermediary file. You can talk to me in private for more details if you want to pursue this avenue. Of course, if there was a programmer available who had access to a AS/400 that was willing to help us in the port of C-Kermit to that platform, well we would be very appreciative. :-) Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:45:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:45:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 10:45:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Date: 29 Jan 1995 15:45:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: > >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up >on other comm programs. > Sorry, can you be a little more specific? Random characters at the current cursor position? Random characters at some other position? Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? Could you please define "leaking"? Are you using hardware flow control? Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 30 02:28:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 21:52:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 29 Jan 1995 21:52:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit uploading problem Date: 29 Jan 1995 21:28:29 -0500 Organization: CS Department, University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? Symptoms: 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. 2. NO problem uploading text files. 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? Hardware: Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis PC: IBM PS/2 model 55 Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. Any help would be highly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 14:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 00:18:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 00:18:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem Message-Id: <1995Jan29.203446.39743@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jan 95 20:34:46 MDT References: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, teoh@cs.utk.edu (JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH) writes: > I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? > > Symptoms: > > 1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. > 2. NO problem uploading text files. > 3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. > > I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. > I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? > > Hardware: > Modem: USRobotics Courier HST dual standard v.32bis > PC: IBM PS/2 model 55 > Host: either VAX Ultrix or VAX VMS. > > Any help would be highly appreciated. ------------- More information is needed, I'm afraid to say. Which versions of Kermits are being used? The VERSION command and the startup herald will show that. Flow control *must* be used, particularly going to the VAXen. Since hardware flow control is difficult to achieve on VAXen you are stuck with XON/XOFF, so be sure the VAX side can send it (see your VAX system manager). Then do not unprotect XON/XOFF control codes in Kermit packets because that will let data mistakenly act as flow control bytes. Finally, examine the PARITY situation. If parity is in use be sure to tell both Kermits about it, else you will lose the high bit of bytes and the transfer will fail. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 07:31:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 30 Jan 1995 07:31:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, >David J. Moczygemba wrote: >>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >> >>Thank you for the confirmation. The AS/400 is running OS/400. > >Well, then the only thing I can recommend is that you use IND$FILE as >the file transfer protocol. Use it to move the file to some intermediary >machine which can support both Kermit and IND$FILE. An OS/2 box with >Communication Manager/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 would do. > >You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 >machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a >REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET >on the intermediary file. That sounds like a workable solution to the problem. I'd be inclined to recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400 link if performance is an issue. -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 15:21:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:57:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!emory!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.lsu.edu!lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu!SPDREH From: SPDREH@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu (Michael Dreher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 21:21:02 CST Organization: Louisiana State University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <1733512C41S86.SPDREH@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu> References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) writes: >KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa >KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 >KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate >KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or >KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? > >I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I >heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet >lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to >circumvent this? > >Appreciate any advice. > > I'll answer to both, although I know Telix better than Terminate. There's a couple of threads about Telix and MS-Kermit in Fidonet. Basically, you can install MS-Kermit as an external protocol in Telix. What you need is a simple batch file that has one line: (Pick based on which version of Kermit you have) c:\msker314\kerlite.exe (MS-Kermit 3.14) c:\msker313\kermit.exe (MS-Kermit 3.13) -- adjust based on your path. Save the batch file as KERMIT.BAT and call it from the External protocols menu. You do not have to pass file names. The download and upload batch file is the same (KERMIT.BAT). You do need to have Kermit either in your PATH statement or in the same directory as Telix/Terminate. You then configure the long packets in the MSCUSTOM.INI files. I have packets set to 2000, and it works fine for me. That serves as the basics--you will want to check out the book as well as the Kermit FAQ--that will tell you how to optimize your performance even more. I have a poor server connection here, and can get 675 cps on text transfers at 9600 bps, and about 400 cps on binarys. The FAQ explains how to optimize still more. The FAQ is available by FTP to kermit.columbia.edu Telix does *NOT* have the full Kermit implementation--it's only a subset that has a max of 94 cps. That is explained in the Telix 3.2x documentation. I don't believe Telemate does either. That's why Frank and others urge us to use Columbia's Kermit. Hope this helps! Michael Dreher Dept. of Speech Communication Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803-3923 spdreh@lsuvm.sncc.lsu.edu (Internet) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 14:42:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:42:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:42:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploading problem Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:42:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gitsg$44f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ghisdINNhlc@duncan.cs.utk.edu>, JONATHAN ENG-SENG TEOH wrote: >I cannot upload binary files using Kermit. Can anyone help? > >1. No problem downloading files, whether text or binary. >2. NO problem uploading text files. >3. Cannot upload binary files. Error message: too many retries. > >I have tried issuing "set file type binary" on both the host and my pc. >I have also tried the server mode. No luck. How can this be? > Something in the upstream path is sensitive to the contents of the Kermit packets. If you are using the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX feature, then stop using it. If that is not the answer, then use SET PARITY SPACE. One or both of these should do the trick. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 14:55:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:55:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:55:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for IBM AS/400s??? Date: 30 Jan 1995 14:55:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3giukt$50e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g6iul$2cf@cactus.texas.net> <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net> <3ggd0l$7h6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gi4kf$a72@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >>In article <3gf0f7$pkf@empire.texas.net>, >>David J. Moczygemba wrote: >>>In article <3gdup1$i0h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) says: >>> >>You should then be able to send a request to a C-Kermit Server on the OS/2 >>machine to get a file from the AS/400. This would be in the form of a >>REXX command. After the download to OS/2, you would then perform a GET >>on the intermediary file. > >That sounds like a workable solution to the problem. I'd be inclined to >recommend using ftp (of TCP/IP) rather than IND$FILE for the OS/2 to AS/400 >link if performance is an issue. The difference is that IND$FILE can be executed on OS/2 via a batch process. I do not believe that there is an automated ftp for OS/2 yet. Also, it is unclear whether TCP/IP services are available on this OS/400 system. x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 15:27:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:15:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:15:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail From: smsummer@acs.ucalgary.ca (Stephan Martin Summerer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and Warp Date: 30 Jan 1995 08:27:24 -0700 Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190 and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!) Stephan From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 19:53:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:53:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:53:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and Warp Date: 30 Jan 1995 19:53:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3gjg45$31i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gj0gs$1b3r@acs5.acs.ucalgary.ca>, Stephan Martin Summerer wrote: >Can somebody help me here? When I was running C-Kermit 5A (190 >and 189, either one) I used to be able to download in the >background no problem. Now that I upgraded to Warp whenever I >switch away to another task, even just to the desktop (I am >running full screen C-Kermit) the transfer is aborted. C-kermit >for OS/2 says that the other end stopped tranmitting and it timed >out, but when I switch back to terminal mode everyting is still >coming out at the screen. Is there some default setting that was >changed in Warp compared to 2.11? How about a mode setting for >the com port? It is frustrating to sit there and watch the >transfer take place, I might as well be running DOS (uhnn!) > Stephan WARP provides no changes to the API for the system or its defaults. When using WARP you should only use 5A(190) as 5A(189) is not compatible with WARP's IAK. Of course, 5A(190) also has many additional features. Things that did change in WARP were the COM drivers. Many people have complained about the drivers when they don't have a buffered UART. You also don't mention what speed you are transmitting at. Make sure you are using hardware flow control. And what else are you running in the background? Are you using the Windows quick-load option by chance? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 23:02:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:02:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:02:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Crash recovery and (nearly) full file systems Date: 30 Jan 1995 23:02:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3gjr5i$mh2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clearly, Kermit should take into account the fact that you are attempting to resume an interrupted transfer. You can get around the refusal, though. Just SET ATTR LEN OFF. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 15:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:05:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:05:56 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: Telemate & Kermit help ne X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <8A22456.096600057D.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:56:38 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 30.Jan.1995 In article <8A28031.096600059C.uuout@mcc.sydpcug.org.au>, paul.garcia@mcc.sydpcug.org.au (PAUL GARCIA) wrote: > KI> From: kiwayama@gpu2.srv.ualberta.ca (Keiko Iwayama) > KI> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > > KI> Does anyone know how to set up Telemate 4.12 properly in order to uploa > KI> via Kermit with long packets of 1000 or more? Right now it is set to 8 > KI> and I can only get a maximum cps rate of 500 (SLOW!). If Telemate > KI> doesn't allow this, then are there other comm programs like Telix or > KI> Qmodem which can be configured like this? > > > I posted a similar question re: Telix and Kermit in another news group. I > heard nothing so I'll try here. I seem to only be able to set packet > lengths to 99 in Telix. Also slooww CPS rate. Any ideas on how to > circumvent this? > > Appreciate any advice. Set Kermit up as an external protocol, and call on KERLITE.EXE [3.14] when transferring files. Examples a-plenty are given in the documentation that comes with Kermit. It's the only guarenteed way to get fast transfer rates and a guarentee to be able to connect to all modern Kermits. Get Kermit from ftp - kermit.columbia.edu under /kermit/bin/msv314.zip -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 11:58:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 07:10:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!sunic!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: Sven%OSLONETT@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist Date: 31 Jan 1995 12:58:07 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear all. Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time?? I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers actually works pretty well. My problem is that I can't have two different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet- driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13). Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before? Hope to hear from you. Sven Andreassen [sven@oslonett.no] From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 13:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:41:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:41:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!csus.edu!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:24:19 GMT Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: | > | >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the | >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up | >on other comm programs. > Sorry, can you be a little more specific? My apologies. I've been busy and haven't had much time to check my mail. > Random characters at the current cursor position? Yes. About a character or two every half minute. > Random characters at some other position? No. > Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that > you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn". > Could you please define "leaking"? "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at random intervals at the cursor screen). > Are you using hardware flow control? Yes. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 13:59:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:20:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:20:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:59:48 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mr. Calvin Rome (dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil) wrote: : I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform : running SUNOS 4.1. I'm having no trouble with Netcom's SUNOS, with this in my script input 5 ogin: if success output helios\13 Maybe you should show us your script (with any passwords deleted) -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sun Jan 29 08:51:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:19:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 31 Jan 1995 21:19:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!pa.dec.com!usasoc.soc.mil!dtd-lo3 From: dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome) Message-Id: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Subject: MSKermit Login Problem Date: Sun, 29 Jan 95 13:51:59 EST X-Received: by usenet.pa.dec.com; id AA02446; Sun, 29 Jan 95 23:00:56 -0800 X-Received: by pobox1.pa.dec.com; id AA23999; Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:49:56 -0800 X-Received: from USASOC.SOC.MIL by inet-gw-3.pa.dec.com (5.65/10Aug94) id AA26407; Sun, 29 Jan 95 10:49:20 -0800 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.3 6/25/88) X-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc.usenet@decwrl.dec.com X-Cc: dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform running SUNOS 4.1. Here is the situation: I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3. I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files. The Sys Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which broke the ability of MSKermit to login. I went back to my original MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta testing) and it would not login either. HOWEVER, I have also been using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of which login to the SUN box with no problems. My userid is dtd-lo3. When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login: login: t-lo3 then it locks up Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result: login: DD-3 then it locks up With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the password: login: dtd-lo3 Password: My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm! But I like MSK much better for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet. Any suggestions? ********************************************************************** Calvin Rome, GS-11 | SOF Language Office Computer Specialist | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School *********************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 19:23:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:13:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 00:13:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!kauf0019 From: kauf0019@gold.tc.umn.edu (Lauren P Kauffman) Subject: kermit for DG AOS??? Message-Id: Sender: news@news.tc.umn.edu (Usenet News Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:23:05 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General MV7800XP AOS operating system? Lauren Kauffman From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 11:13:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:32:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:32:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!ames!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!wldelft.nl!dee From: dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: Sender: dee@ws16sno.wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) Organization: Waterloopkundig Laboratorium (Delft Hydraulics) Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:13:43 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? Dick Dee dee@wldelft.nl From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:53:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:33:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 03:33:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Message-Id: <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 95 20:53:26 MDT References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: > > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. > > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem > transfers. > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? > > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. --------- No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as fast as the others and much better in many respects. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 20:31:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:05:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:05:37 -0500 Control: cancel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:31:32 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu was cancelled from within trn. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 1 05:15:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:36:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 04:36:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl8.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 31 Jan 1995 21:15:46 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gn5e2$7am@crl8.crl.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl8.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You can set up Kermit to run PDZ or DSZ (the former Public Domain and the latter Shareware). They do ZModem transfer. If you would like info. on how to use or get PDZ, send me E-Mail. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com ps: That's what I am using for connecting to my Unix shell account. Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: : > : > I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. : > On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). : > On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in : > the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. : > : > I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem : > transfers. : > Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? : > : > If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. : --------- : No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We : think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as : fast as the others and much better in many respects. : Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 08:19:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:02:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:02:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Message-Id: <1995Jan30.141916.39821@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Jan 95 14:19:16 MDT References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil (Mr. Calvin Rome) writes: > I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform > running SUNOS 4.1. > > Here is the situation: > > I am currently using MSKermit v3.14 dated 18 Jan 95, patch level 3. > I had been using MSKermit v3.13 to login to a UNIX platform running > SCO and to the NOW troubled SUN connection without any problems. In > the meantime I began using the MSKermit betas as they were being > released and making minor modifications in the *.ini files. The Sys > Admin on the Sun box made some changes in the login scripts which > broke the ability of MSKermit to login. I went back to my original > MSK v3.13 program and tried (I had left everything intact during beta > testing) and it would not login either. HOWEVER, I have also been > using both Procomm Plus for DOS and Procomm Plus for Win, both of > which login to the SUN box with no problems. My userid is dtd-lo3. > When attempting to login with MSK this is what appears at the login: > > login: t-lo3 then it locks up > > Just to see what happens I used Caps and this was the result: > > login: DD-3 then it locks up > > With Procomm I get normal results and am then prompted for the > password: > > login: dtd-lo3 > Password: > > My Sys Admin's solution is to use Procomm! But I like MSK much better > for connecting to the UNIX boxes and then on to Internet. Any > suggestions? > > ********************************************************************** > Calvin Rome, GS-11 | SOF Language Office > Computer Specialist | US Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center > dtd-lo3@usasoc.soc.mil | and School > *********************************************************************** ------------- SET TCP DEBUG ON to see Telnet Options negotiations blow by blow. The above has the indications of an Option your host wants but is not supported by MSK. LOG SESSION if you want us to have a look at it too (or give me a host name to try from my place). Another, related, thought it your host may require LF as a terminator rather than CR during the login process. Try ending lines in Control-J to see. Last thought is your host may not understand terminal type VT320 and it keeps asking for something different. This will show in the Options negotiations chatter. SET TCP TERM-TYPE is the way to say one thing and be another. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 10:25:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:39:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09437 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 06:39:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> Control: cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> Date: 1 Feb 1995 03:25:14 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3gnnia$7eg@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3gmh74$390@nyx.cs.du.edu> in newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc This article was cancelled from within NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 11:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 30 Jan 95 17:58:22 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very annoying and if anyone knows a solution to this problem please email me at awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post an answer here. Thnx. A. Webb From news@columbia.edu Mon Jan 30 12:00:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 08:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Jan30.180059.84186@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 30 Jan 95 18:00:58 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since my last message didn't come out...I have to repost. I run kermit externally through minicom (a comm program for linux). Everytime after a transfer it hangs up. If anyone knows how to fix this either email me at awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu or post it here. Thnx. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 12:49:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:19:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 09:19:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 04:49:22 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution: Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the DOS console?? If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. Thanks.. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:57:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:57:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:57:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for DG AOS??? Date: 1 Feb 1995 15:57:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3gob0v$rgp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Lauren P Kauffman wrote: >Does anyone know of a version of kermit that runs on a Data General >MV7800XP AOS operating system? > Yes, C-Kermit 5A(190). Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckd190.uue. This is a UUencoded AOS DUMPFILE. UUdecode it if you can ("uudecode" is not a standard part of AOS/VS, but there is an AOS/VS uudecode program included in the Kermit distribution as kermit/f/ckdeco.c). Get the resulting ckdker.pr file to your AOS/VS system and "undump" it; this gives you the AOS/VS kermit.pr executable plus all the various supporting files: ckermit.ini, ckcker.upd, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:00:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:01:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:00:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:00:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3gob7j$s0g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dick Dee wrote: >I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or >MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message >"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications >programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? > The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. Assuming you have version 3.13 or 3.14, please consult the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with it. There is a section called: TROUBLESHOOTING MS-DOS KERMIT SERIAL PORT AND MODEM PROBLEMS which contains all the information you need to get this working. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:04:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:04:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:04:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:04:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith wrote: >Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS >box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a >modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? > No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode. If you want to transfer files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things, then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:11:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:11:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:11:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit Login Problem Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:11:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3gobqu$t3l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9501291851.AA22159@swcscmd-fs>, Mr. Calvin Rome wrote: >I need some help getting MSKermit to login to a UNIX platform >running SUNOS 4.1. > (Long description omitted...) Forget about script programming for a moment. Can you log in BY HAND? If not, given evidence like the following: > login: t-lo3 then it locks up > login: DD-3 then it locks up > login: dtd-lo3 > I would say that your host had suddenly been programmed to require a certain type of parity for incoming characters, most likely "even". Try telling MS-DOS Kermit to: set parity even (or "odd", "mark", or "space" if "even" doesn't do it) and most likely it will work. By the way, this is one of the most fundamental problems we encounter in data communications, and you could not have missed it if you had read the manual. - Frank P.S. There is no earthly reason why a host should *require* parity on incoming characters, so another approach would be to ask the system administrators to put it back the way it was before. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 16:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:20:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Feb 1995 11:20:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Date: 1 Feb 1995 16:19:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3gocat$mh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan30.175822.84185@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, WEBB ADAM W wrote: >I am using ckermit for linux as an external protocol in minicom (the >linux comm program). Everytime I transfer a file or group of files the >files turn out fine but it drops carrier after completion. This is very >annoying... > Quoting from section 11.1 of the ckuker.bwr file that comes with C-Kermit 5A(190), "C-Kermit as an External Protocol", which applies to "pmcomm" but probably is also relevant to this question (I'd appreciate feedback on this so I can update the documentation): "pcomm" is a general-purpose terminal program that provides file transfer capabilities itself (X- and YMODEM variations) and the ability to call on external programs to do file transfers (ZMODEM and Kermit, for example). You can tell pcomm the command to send or receive a file with an external protocol: send receive ZMODEM sz rz Kermit kermit -s kermit -r pcomm runs external programs for file transfer by making stdin and stdout point to the modem port, and then exec-ing "/bin/sh -c xxx" (where xxx is the appropriate command). However, C-Kermit does not treat stdin and stdout as the communication device unless you instruct it: send receive Kermit kermit -l 0 -s kermit -l 0 -r The "-l 0" option means to use file descriptor 0 for the communication device. In general, any program can pass any open file descriptor to C-Kermit for the communication device in the "-l" command-line option. (End quote) From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 21:57:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:30:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 01:30:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!koala.uwec.edu!uwrf.edu!uwrf.edu!mn01 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Arrow key problems Message-Id: <1995Feb1.155717@taz> From: mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu Date: 1 Feb 95 15:57:17 -0600 Organization: University of Wisconsin - River Falls Nntp-Posting-Host: taz.acc.uwrf.edu Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer. It is running DOS 5, Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01. I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use. I have encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct however and am looking for enlightenment from the net. I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they don't always. I am using the VT320 emulation. The initialization file maps many of the other "typical" VT keys. Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard. If I do a SHOW KEY on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following: scan code \328 Verb: KP8 \KKP8 If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else in-between, I get the following: scan code \4424 Verb: uparr \Kuparr Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or right. This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the initialization file. It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY. This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the arrow keys. I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems. The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller. But, it has 12 function keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down. The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE or EDIT file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and then the arrow keys work fine! But, the user of this notebook won't be doing those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him... If this is some standard PC-type keyboard thing, please forgive me. I'm not a pc person. Thanks in advance for any assistance. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Marlys A. Nelson System Manager, Systems Programmer, Academic Computing Network Manager, etc., etc. Univ. of WI - River Falls Internet: Marlys.A.Nelson@uwrf.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:52:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:20:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:20:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS TSR remote file xfer??? Date: 31 Jan 1995 06:52:05 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:33389 comp.protocols.ibm:3993 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1791 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for: 1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete. 2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up. 3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted. Solutions could be: a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd b) TSR based kermit in server mode. This one sounds the most plausable given a need for a small RAM foot print... The kermit folks have any ideas? c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool? Thanks.. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 14:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:27:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:27:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:37:38 GMT Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: | In article Jim Nakamura wrote: | >Whenever I connect to internet service provider, I get the message | > | > CONNECT 14400/V32/NONE | > Can't change speed to 14400 | As explained in the manual (just type "help" at the C-Kermit prompt | to find out more about the manual), there are numerous ways in which | you have to get the software (Kermit in this case) and the modem to | agree. Perhaps chief among them is the treatment of the interface speed. | Modems can be configured to make their interface speed follow the | connection speed, or to keep their interface speed fixed no matter what | the connection speed turns out to be. | Modern high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems should | generally be configured in the latter way: with interface speed fixed, | or locked. | You have set your modem this way (&B1), but you did not set Kermit this | way, so Kermit tried to change its interface speed to 14400 when it got | the "CONNECT 14400" message from the modem. Luckily, it could not do | this, since evidently 14400 is not a supported speed on your computer. | The trick is to tell Kermit to use the highest reliable interface speed it | and your computer and your modem all have in common, and to use RTS/CTS | "hardware" flow control if available, and then before dialing, tell Kermit | to "set dial speed-matching off". See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for | a longer explanation. Frank, many thanks. The error message went away after I followed your suggestion. I also took this opportunity to read pp. 60-61 of your fine manual which spends most of its time just sitting on my bookshelf (like all my books (-; ). By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit? Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc". Then "Please edit this file to reflect your needs and preferences." Then *nothing*. If I hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt. Do you know what's going on? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 22:50:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:37:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 05:37:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news From: Boyd Fjeldsted Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Date: 1 Feb 1995 22:50:21 GMT Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-294.business.utah.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to download files from the remote host by means of the host's file download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not, is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host (which does not provide FTP services)? An example of such a host is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but now also provides telnet services on port 23. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 03:33:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:13:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:13:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to make TCPIP32 & DIS_PKT9 coexist Message-Id: <1995Jan31.093303.39920@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Jan 95 09:33:03 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Sven@OSLONETT (Sven Andreassen) writes: > Dear all. > > Have any of you gentlemen managed to make TCP/IP-32a and a > Packet-driver exist in harmony at the same time?? > > I have managed to install both drivers on my computer, (thanks to > the ones in this conference who helped me out), and the drivers > actually works pretty well. My problem is that I can't have two > different programs up at the same time if one is using the packet- > driver and the other one is using the TCP/IP stack. (ex. > Microsofts TELNET and MS-KERMIT 3.13). > > Has any of you gentlemen dealed with this problem before? > > Hope to hear from you. > > Sven Andreassen > [sven@oslonett.no] ------- It's not the method of reaching the board so much as having two or more protocol stacks of the same kind operating at once. Packets are delivered once, and hopefully (randomly...) to the right stack else trouble. We have repeatedly stressed in the Kermit documentation to use only one stack of a given kind over a board, with Kermit or any program. If you wish to try the multiplexers then it is at your risk and we can't lend a hand. Finally, I presume that "TCP/IP-32a" means Microsoft's stack, right? If so that is for Windows programs, not for DOS level programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 03:07:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:44:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:44:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 03:07:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet readnews user id) Nntp-Posting-Host: achilles.encore.com Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >> >> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. >> >> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem >> transfers. >> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? >> >> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. >--------- > No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >fast as the others and much better in many respects. In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) Any benchmarks ? Thanks, Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jan 27 21:15:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:46:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:46:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:15:02 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After obtaining the: > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1995. > Type ? or HELP for help > Executing D:\COMM\KRMT\MSKERMIT.INI... > Installing patches... > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... > Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, D:\COMM\KRMT\MSCUSTOM.INI... > Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences. > Auto-upload and -download disabled. > Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable. > Setting DOS Terminal modes > Smile! > CDL-AST> still indicated "patch level 0". Is the "patch level 0" an indication of the patch level of the base kermit.exe file I am running, or should it be an indication of the patch level following the installation of the patches contained in msr314.pch? I notice that if I use the: ver command, I still see "patch level 0", rather than "patch level 3" which I would expect. I realize that the kermit.exe file on disk will not change, but I would expect that after patches are installed, the version of kermit in memory would reflect the installed patches. Am I doing something wrong? Just curious ... TIA for any light that can be shed on this subject. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:02:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:54:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 06:54:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:02:46 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) writes: > Hi, > > I'm asking in advance of buying the Kermit manual and proceeding with a solution: > > Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS box > may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a modem > to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? > > Where the file transfer may occur without interupting the forground use of the > DOS console?? > > If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended > file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. ------------------- Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a familiar and managable form. We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do item on our wish list. If you are still interested then I suggest you contact Frank da Cruz and myself and we can discuss the technical and financial details off-line: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 2 04:03:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 07:56:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 07:56:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl6.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 20:03:06 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3gplhq$on6@crl6.crl.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl6.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu OK, I got a few requests for this so: PDZMODEM can be found at: ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip i.e., Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem Filename: pdzmodem.zip I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file: define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4 set key \315 rz This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key. the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM. The -c4 means use com port 4. The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my download directory. If you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 08:44:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:44:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:44:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!news.sinet.slb.com!scrdell5.cambridge.scr.slb.com!barrett From: barrett@scr.slb.com (Mike Barrett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windows? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:15:21 UNDEFINED Organization: Schlumberger Cambridge Research Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: scrdell5.cambridge.scr.slb.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to get it. Thanks Mike Barrett ----------------------+-------------------------------------- Mike Barrett | e-mail: barrett@cambridge.scr.slb.com Schlumberger Cambridge| Phone : 0223 325200 Research, PO Box 153, | FAX : 0223 327019 Cambridge, England. | ----------------------+-------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 13:58:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:58:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 08:58:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Date: 2 Feb 1995 13:58:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3gqoeb$233@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>, Boyd Fjeldsted wrote: >After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to >download files from the remote host by means of the host's file >download menu? > If the remote host (service, BBS, etc) includes Kermit file transfer capability, then: in theory, yes. In practice, it depends on its Kermit implementation. Most BBS's either lack Kermit file transfer capability, or offer a nonfunctional or barely-functional one. >If so, what Kermit settings are required? > Try "set parity space". >An example of such a host >is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but >now also provides telnet services on port 23. > Such services are becoming increasingly common. Users of such services are encouraged to contact the administrators and urge them to install real Kermit software to execute the Kermit protocol. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:02:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:02:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:02:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows? Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:02:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gqolb$2an@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Barrett wrote: >Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for >good file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can >someone either give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) >or tell me where to get it. > A Frequently Asked Question, and one which is answered in our FAQ. The answer is Yes. It is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It runs under Windows, in either full-screen mode or in a Window, it has good file transfer, and it does Tek graphics. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 13:58:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:34:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:34:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit for Windows? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:58:06 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Barrett (barrett@scr.slb.com) wrote: : Hi. : Is there a version of Kermit that runs under Windows? I am looking for good : file transfer and if possible Tek graphics. If there is one can someone either : give me the file name (so I can search for it with Archie) or tell me where to : get it. The standard distribution of MS-Kermit includes a PIF file to run under Windows, but it runs very slowly. You can speed it up by running in a full-screen DOS window with text-only display instead of graphics, but my 486/66 system can't quite keep up with compressed text at 14.4 kbps. The text-only display probably won't do Tek graphics, though I haven't tried that. Also, the first time through my MSCUSTOM.INI file, the system can't find COM4, but a manual TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI works. I suppose this is a timing problem in Windows. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 00:51:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:35:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 09:35:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 06:51:33 MDT References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >>> >>> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >>> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >>> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >>> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. >>> >>> I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem >>> transfers. >>> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? >>> >>> If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. >>--------- >> No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >>think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >>fast as the others and much better in many respects. > > In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? > Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? > (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) > > Any benchmarks ? --------------- Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? If not please do. Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 15:13:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:13:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 10:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't connect at 28.8 :( Date: 2 Feb 1995 15:13:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gqsr3$85s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3g8930$nms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >By the way, any particular reason you renamed the binary to wermit? > Just so it does not have the same name as "kermit". That way when build a new binary, it does not automatically overwrite a previous one, provided you had renamed the previous one to "kermit". >Also, whenever I invoke wermit, I get the message "Executing SAMPLE >C-Kermit customization file /home/jzero/.mykermrc". Then "Please edit >this file to reflect your needs and preferences." Then *nothing*. If I >hit Ctrl-C, kermit springs into action and I then get the C-Kermit prompt. > Please send me your .mykermrc file, and let me know exactly how you are invoking Kermit, and also remind me exactly which kind of UNIX this is on, which version, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 17:36:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:01:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:00:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!alpha.epas.utoronto.ca!blues.epas.utoronto.ca!kan From: kan@blues.epas.utoronto.ca (Raymond Kan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8 Date: 2 Feb 1995 17:36:36 GMT Organization: University of Toronto -- EPAS Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: blues.epas.utoronto.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal fax/modem. However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200, the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200! However, I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed of the modem. Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2 kermit actually support 28,800 modem. Thank you for all the help. BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem? Raymond Kan U of Toronto From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 18:40:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:40:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:40:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for OS/2 problem with 28.8 Date: 2 Feb 1995 18:40:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3gr8u5$rkf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gr574$h6r@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca>, Raymond Kan wrote: >Hi, > > I am using CKermit 5A(190) for OS/2 with a Sportster internal >fax/modem. However, every time that I try to set the speed to 115200, >the program would say can not set speed and falls back to 1200! However, >I can set the speed to 57600 but then I can never connect at full speed >of the modem. > Does anyone know how to get rid of this problem or does OS/2 >kermit actually support 28,800 modem. Thank you for all the help. I use CK 5A(190) at 115200 every day. So thoughts are that it is either a problem with your modem, or the com drivers you are using. Can you talk to the modem at 115200 with other packages? What version of OS/2 are you using? What Comm drivers are you using? > BTW, does anyone know which ftp site can we get m2zmodem? I recommend P over m2zmodem. p205.zip is available from ftp.cdrom.com. P is free whereas m2zmodem costs money. P also works over networks whereas m2zmodem does not. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:12:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:43:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:43:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.101239.40096@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:12:39 MDT References: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp>, MoYun writes: > In article h79055a@kyu-cc.c > c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT: > >> Hi: >> >> I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be >> drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the >> display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. >> I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed. >> >> How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in >> Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit? >> > > > However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw > graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed. > What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up? > > Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet > similar to Ms-windows should be done. ----------------- This appears to be possibly a machine configuration problem, not a Kermit one. One must be sure to protect video memory, segments A000-BFFF, so that nothing else uses that space. The display adapter must be able to do graphics work in using standard EGA, Herc mono, CGA modes as a default, or if you choose VGA or VESA then those higher resolution modes too. There is no special preparation needed outside of Kermit other than rational machine setup for normal use. To help further we need more information, such as the machine configuration and a sample LOG SESSION file (uuencoded for Mailing) to play back locally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 04:18:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:44:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:44:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: <1995Feb1.101814.40098@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 10:18:14 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes: > I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or > MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message > "unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications > programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? ------------- No, we don't. PCMCIA seems to be a very loose spec so the matchup between hardware and drivers is very questionable at best. If the modem and driver don't behave as a real UART to clients such as Kermit then it's not behaving properly. There is nothing much I can do about it, lacking that particular PCMCIA card, the laptop in which it is inserted, and the drivers for it. Kermit does work fine on at least one IBM Thinkpad because I setup that machine for a colleague. However, I have no laptop myself so please don't ask me questions about PCMCIA and its drivers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 05:00:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:06:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:06:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!wnoc-kyo-news!hakozaki.karrn!kyu-cs!MoYun From: MoYun Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 05:00:05 GMT Organization: Falcuty of Engineering, Kyushu Univeristy Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> References: Reply-To: MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp Nntp-Posting-Host: goro.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Ecom-Version: 3.01.09 (PC98/PCTCP) In-Reply-To: h79055a@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp's message of Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article h79055a@kyu-cc.c c.kyushu-u.ac.jp wrote at Fri, 27 Jan 95 07:39:32 GMT: > Hi: > > I tried to use Tek4010 mode to draw graphs, but the graphs could not be > drawn completely on the display. About four small windows appearred on the > display and in each window, only three or four lines were displayed. > I tried to switch off the small windows to a large window but failed. > > How can I set the terminal parameters which let the graphs written in > Tek4010 be shown completely in Kermit? > However, after starting the Ms-windows, the tek4010 terminal can draw graphs normally. Therefore, some graphic initializing are needed. What kinds of process should be done before the MS-kermit is set up? Many 286 machines are still used in our lab, so a special treatmet similar to Ms-windows should be done. Thank you in advance. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Tel. 092-641-1101(Ex.5579) |~~~~~~~~~~~ Yun MO, EnD | Fax. 092-651-8616 | MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp | Tel. 092-661-1665(Home) | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 22:35:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:32:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:32:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 31 Jan 1995 22:35:30 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 22:48:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:48:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:48:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 2 Feb 1995 22:48:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: > >After obtaining the: > > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 >msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > > Installing patches... > > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 > The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep coming up: Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to MSKERMIT.PCH. Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there must be three corresponding patch files. For version 3.14, these are: MSR314.PCH -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its name. This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion about patching. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 22:55:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:55:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 17:55:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 2 Feb 1995 22:55:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu>, Watson, John McClain wrote: >Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to >use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it >says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! > What version of MS-DOS Kermit? Are you dialing manually or using a dialing script? Which dialing script? Note that we do not have a dialing script for the PPI V.34 modem, but we do have one for the PPI V.32bis model. The changes (if any are needed) should be straightforward. If anybody wants to send me a copy of the PPI V.34 command reference, I'll be glad to do any necessary adaptation. The same goes for all the other modem brands that recently came out with V.34 models, or, for that matter, any modem brands at all. The more manuals we have, the better support we can give. To attempt to answer the question: If you can use Kermit to dial the modem, but the modem does not make a successful connection, this is usually explained by the modem's configuration as to modulation, error correction, data compression, and the fallback procedures for each. In general, you want to configure your modem to start at the type and work its way down, so you get the best possible type of connection with the answering modem. It sounds like your modem is configured to refuse to connect if it does not negotiate a particular modulation or protocol. Or the same could be true of the modem on the answering end. Many other explanations are possible too. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 18:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:01:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:01:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!dcsmith From: dcsmith@netcom.com (Dwayne C. Smith) Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 18:19:41 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu dee@wldelft.nl (Dick Dee) writes: >I have a notebook with a PCMCIA modem, running DOS or >MSWindows. Kermit doesn't recognize the modem, it gives a message >"unknown hardware" or something like that. All other communications >programs I've tried work as expected. Anybody know what's going on? >Dick Dee >dee@wldelft.nl I'm using an a TDK PCMCIA modem in a ZEOS colornote and I don't have any trouble with it. If you've got the full distribution, you should have a KERMIT.BWR file that outlines known bugs and workarounds. -- In Xanadu did Kubla Khan / dcsmith@netcom.com a stately pleasure dome decree. / If these opinions were someone else's, Where Alph the sacred river ran / they'd express them instead of me... through caverns measureless to man / down to a sunless sea. / Samuel Taylor Coleridge From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 23:04:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:04:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 18:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 2 Feb 1995 23:04:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 20:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:19:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:19:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ossi.com!news.fujitsu.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: CMS Kermit X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Message-Id: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:02:43 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Are there any hardware or software limitations that would cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 -Curtiss From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 00:25:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:26:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:26:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT for IBM-DOS disconnect after connection at 28.8? Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:25:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3grt6k$4do@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gmdvi$hqh@lester.appstate.edu> <3grnsa$oq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3grodl$pkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Watson, John McClain wrote: >>Hello everyone! I just got a PPI v.34 28.8 modem but when I try to >>use Kermit to connect to our school vax I get disconnected right after it >>says carrier 28.8 Does anyone know what the problem might be? Thanks! > >This sounds more like the version of Kermit being used does not know >how to parse the CONNECT 28800 message. > CARRIER is a "call progress" message, not a call completion message. MS-DOS Kermit scripts such as PP14400.SCR ignore them (but print them on the screen so the user can see what's going on). They do no harm at all, and in fact Kermit enables them on purpose (ATW1). The call completion message would be CONNECT . The high-speed MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts look for "CONNECT" and ignore the , thus keeping the interface speed fixed. And by the way, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (the current version, released just a couple weeks ago) supports 28800 as an interface speed, even though it should rarely be necessary to use it (remember: when using high-speed, error-correcting, data-compressing modems, your interface speed should be higher than the connection speed to allow compression to do its stuff). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 00:32:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:32:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 19:32:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Date: 3 Feb 1995 00:32:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3grtiv$51p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >Are there any hardware or software limitations that would >cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set >at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 > Yes. The packet length is determined as follows: 1. The file receiver tells the file sender the longest packet it is prepared to receive. There is a default, and then there is a command to let the user change the default. The default is normally 94, and the command is normally "set receive packet-length". 2. The file sender has a maximum size that it can send. The size that is actually used by the sender is the smaller of its own maximum and the declared maximum of the receiver. In the case of IBM mainframe Kermit, the maximum length it can send generally depends on the communication method. If it is going through a 3270 protocol converter such as a Series/1 or 7171, the maximum length packet is somewhere around the 3270 screen size, e.g. 24 x 80 = 1920, give or take a few bytes. This is a limitation of the 3270 emulation box and/or software, and has nothing to do with Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 08:42:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 21:14:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 2 Feb 1995 21:14:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 31 Jan 1995 08:42:15 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. I know that comm. programs on PC (e.g. Telix) can handle zmodem transfers. Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? If this is an FAQ, please direct me to the proper doc. Thanks, -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 02:43:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 00:01:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 00:01:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!usenet From: kheesoon@einstein.technet.sg (Maverick Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: Thu, 02 Feb 95 10:43:11 PST Organization: CISCO Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Reply-To: kheesoon@technet.sg Nntp-Posting-Host: einstein.technet.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, everyone Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare currently. Hope to hear from everone soon ! thank you. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jan 31 16:53:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 02:08:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 02:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!hal.hahnemann.edu!mcneal From: mcneal@hal.hahnemann.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Access of previous articles Date: 31 Jan 95 21:53:39 EST Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 2 Message-Id: <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How can I access earlier articles of this news group? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 15:29:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 05:37:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 05:37:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb2.212927.40338@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 21:29:27 MDT References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) writes: > Are there any hardware or software limitations that would > cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set > at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 > > -Curtiss --------- Maximum packet size is a negotiated property, negotiated to the largest common value. 1915 bytes is a magic limit on CMS Kermit, and it's also more than adequate to overcome packet header overhead. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:02:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 06:39:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 06:39:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 1 Feb 1995 15:02:38 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >> I'm using both Unix kermit (C-Kermit 5A(190)) and MS-DOS 3.14. >> On the remote Unix host I can use either kermit or sz (zomdem send). >> On my local Unix, when I use kermit, I'm using the 'rz' macro defined in >> the file rz.ini to handle zmodem tranfers from the remote Unix. [...] >> Is it possible for MS-DOS kermit to support zmodem transfers? > No, Columbia Kermit programs don't do X/Y/Zmodem transfers. We >think we have a very suitable protocol named Kermit which is just as >fast as the others and much better in many respects. Although I don't see why one would want to use [XYZ]modem transfers when both ends have a proper Kermit, it possible to have rzsz.exe perform your file transfers for you. Its been a long while since I did such a thing, but I used to connect to a host that only supported Zmodem transfers with an older version of MS-Kermit, so it is possible, although I don't recall using anything so nice and packaged as the "rz" macro of C-Kermit (what I did was more like: start remote Zmodem transfer, suspend MS-Kermit, fire-up rzsz, resume MS-Kermit). I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 16:07:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 07:25:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 07:25:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!citicorp.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? X-Signature: YES! - the Yarn Editor Shell, Version 0.08.B1205 References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> <1995Feb1.215555.40203@cc.usu.edu> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 16:07:25 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.75 Message-Id: Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kudut@ritz.mordor.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 02.Feb.1995 > Select from the following transfer protocols: > > T - TYPE file to your screen > C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture > A - ASCII only, no Control Codes > X - XMODEM > O - XMODEM-1k > Y - YMODEM (Batch) > G - YMODEM-g (Batch) > S - SEAlink > K - KERMIT > W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows) > Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm) > > Choose one (Q to Quit): > --------- > That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first > and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at > the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so > the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite > the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet > with no modems involved. This list looks like the venerable TBBS, which is a pretty darned sturdy BBS, and has one of the fastest internal Kermit transfers of internal Kermits in BBS's. (I give TBBS great credit for keeping various transfer protocols like ASCII with DC2/DC4 capture, variant with no control codes, two variants of Kermit, and a sharp version of Zmodem which is also speedy). But I agree - the Kermit-Lite would provide *much much* better performance than their internal variaties. The Kermit's internal to TBBS are, unfortunately, single-file transfer protocols, which is why multiple file transfers failed. I'm surprised the TBBS authors haven't upgraded, but perhaps they never got the "nudge". Now that more TBBS' are getting on the Internet, at least in small doses, the authors might consider implimenting this. I would suggest that TBBS users/sysops mention this to the TBBS people. When I start calling local BBS's again (if I do :-> ) I will start attempting to get Kermit-Lite installed on their systems, if for no other reason but for myself :-) It's not difficult to bring a new product into your local BBS community (I brought BlueWave down from college, convinced local sysops that it was a good thing) - you just have to be persistant and truly believe in the product that you're promoting. > I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look > at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'. > It does "the whole thing." Agreed :-) > Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless. > Joe D. -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 13:51:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:05:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 08:05:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!pirates!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arrow key problems Message-Id: <1995Feb1.195111.40191@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 19:51:11 MDT References: <1995Feb1.155717@taz> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb1.155717@taz>, mn01@taz.acc.uwrf.edu writes: > I have a user with a CompuAdd 325TFX notebook computer. It is running DOS 5, > Windows 3.1 and has PhoenixBIOS A386 Version 1.01. > > I am trying to install MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on it for dial-in use. I have > encountered a strange problem while trying to get the keyboard mappings correct > however and am looking for enlightenment from the net. > > I want the arrow keys to function as arrow keys, \Kuparr, \Kdnarr, etc. but they > don't always. I am using the VT320 emulation. The initialization file maps > many of the other "typical" VT keys. > > Kermit senses the notebook as having an 88-key keyboard. If I do a SHOW KEY > on the up arrow key as the first command, it will report the following: > > scan code \328 > Verb: KP8 \KKP8 > > If I then do another SHOW KEY immediately afterwards, doing nothing else > in-between, I get the following: > > scan code \4424 > Verb: uparr \Kuparr > > Similar things will happen if I show the key definition for down arrow, left or > right. This happens even if I put the proper SET KEY commands in the > initialization file. It seems that kermit ignores them until I do a SHOW KEY. > This is causing problems since once our users connect, they need the use of the > arrow keys. I finally just mapped ALT- some other keys to the arrow functions > but I really would like to solve the arrow key problems. > > The keyboard on the notebook is, naturally, smaller. But, it has 12 function > keys and does have the 6 keys: Insert, Delete, Home, End, Page Up and Page Down. > > The other really weird thing is if I use the DOS commands TYPE file|MORE >or EDIT > file before I run kermit, kermit thinks the keyboard is a 101-key keyboard and > then the arrow keys work fine! But, the user of this notebook won't be doing > those commands so this isn't a real good solution for him... ---------------- I'm sure it's not Kermit doing this to you but rather the Bios and possible TSR helpers in the notebook trying to fake a conventional keyboard from an unconventional one, and not doing very well at it. About all I can suggest (until someone has better ideas, hint hint) is try again with the very least number of drivers and TSRs going, then put them back one by one. You can also try SET KEY OFF to use DOS rather than the BIOS, but some key mappings won't come through that extra layer of software. At worst you could in fact do that TYPE | MORE item on something tiny to fix the machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 15:52:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:52:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:52:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Access of previous articles Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:52:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3gtjg7$9cs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan31.215339@hal.hahnemann.edu>, wrote: >How can I access earlier articles of this news group? > We haven't settled on a permanent archiving scheme yet, and we're not sure that we ever will, since the amount of material will only keep growing. However, for the moment, and with no guarantee that it will be there forever, or that it will not change location, or that it won't be busted up into smaller pieces, etc, you can find the archive at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/misc.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 15:57:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:57:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: 3 Feb 1995 15:57:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3gtjpk$9o6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg>, Maverick Ong wrote: >Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. >I am learning kermit script lang through kermit comm. sofwtare >currently. > Then you should read the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". Entire chapters are devoted to teaching you how to use the script programming language. You can order these books in Singapore by calling +65 220-3684. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:55:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:38:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 14:38:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Using Telnet Host Menu? Message-Id: <1995Feb1.215555.40203@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Feb 95 21:55:55 MDT References: <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp37d$pkt@news.cc.utah.edu>, Boyd Fjeldsted writes: > After using Kermit to telnet to a remote host, is it possible to > download files from the remote host by means of the host's file > download menu? If so, what Kermit settings are required? If not, > is there any other way of downloading files from the remote host > (which does not provide FTP services)? An example of such a host > is cenbbs.census.gov -- which which was set up as a bbs server, but > now also provides telnet services on port 23. ---------------- Looks rather like a run of the mill telco style BBS but hooked to the Internet, sigh. Here is what their blurbs say on the matter: -------- August 30, 1994 A full internet connection with this BBS is not yet available. There will be a message in this area when the approriate hardware has been installed and tested. To download files from this BBS it is necessary to either call via modem or to access the files through the annonymous ftp, or the annonymous ftp sections of gopher or mosaic (graphical gopher). For gopher or mosaic, the annonymous ftp line appears together with the BBS under "5. Access Our Other Information Services" Directories similar to the BBS ones appear for ftp. For example the ftp /economy contains the same files as the BBS Directory containing Monthly Retail Trade, Monthly Wholesale Trade Sales & Inventories, and Monthly Manufacturers & Trade Inventories -More- -------- But if we keep going, we see the following: -------- Select from the following transfer protocols: T - TYPE file to your screen C - ASCII with DC2/DC4 Capture A - ASCII only, no Control Codes X - XMODEM O - XMODEM-1k Y - YMODEM (Batch) G - YMODEM-g (Batch) S - SEAlink K - KERMIT W - SuperKERMIT (Sliding Windows) Z - ZMODEM-90(Tm) Choose one (Q to Quit): --------- That looks like a familiar list, doesn't it. So I tried W first and the protocol failed at the end. I then tried K and that failed at the end too. But the failures were in signaling no more files follow so the one transferred file looked ok. Neither dealt with long packets, despite the names. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 at my end, running across the Internet with no modems involved. I would suggest to the BBS sysops that they have a careful look at MS-DOS Kermit Lite, designed to be run as an external protocol on BBS'. It does "the whole thing." Moral of the story: Carry On Regardless. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 20:03:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Date: 3 Feb 1995 20:03:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3gu26f$3j4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> <1995Feb2.212927.40338@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Note that the hardware limits on buffer size depend upon the type of connection. Kermit recognizes those limits, but imposes them only when it comes time to do a transfer. Thus, you can set the packet size to any number you want, up to 9K, but Kermit-370 negotiates the actual packet size according to its understanding of the hardware. In fact, its understanding is not complete, since it is possible to set up a 7171 terminal type with a large screen size, but Kermit doesn't know that and isn't equipped to tell when the screen buffer would be bigger than 1920 anyhow. In any case, 1920 is plenty big enough for most purposes. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 21:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:05:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:04:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 3 Feb 1995 21:04:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit News #6, our printed-on-paper newsletter / journal, will be going to press any day now. Printing and mailing should take some weeks. In the meantime, if you would like to be added to the subscriber list (it's free), please send your name and complete postal address to: knews@columbia.edu If you received previous issues, you are already subscribed. If you did not, but you placed an order with us since June 1993, you are already subscribed. If your address has changed since June 1993, please send your old address and new address so we can update our mailing list. To minimize work and expense at our end, please try to make your postal address conform to standard formats. For example, USA addresses should end with: City XX nnnnn where XX is the uppercase 2-letter abbreviation of your state or territory, such as NY for New York, or GU for Guam, and nnnnn is your 5- or 9-digit ZIP code (9-digit preferred, 5-digit required). According to this year's USPS ZIP code directory, there should be no comma between the city and the state. Addresses in Canada should end with: City XX lnl nln CANADA where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. Addresses in other countries should include the (English) country name on the last line, and the postal code (if any) including country prefix (if any) on the line preceding, e.g. D-33100 Paderborn GERMANY N-0260 Oslo NORWAY I-20090 Assago (MI) ITALY NL-1081 HV Amsterdam NETHERLANDS New Delhi 110 017 INDIA Rechovot 76300 ISRAEL and so on. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 16:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:48:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:48:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 1/2 Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:13:44 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3gtkno$62h$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu " Sorry, I have to split it up in two entries, the editor can only accept 25 lines. I'm using CI$ !!! We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a VAX VMS Kermit [C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92] OpenVMS VAX (server) Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem with bad line quality results in the following error Packet log of sending Kermit: ***************************************************************** ************************ Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: ^A Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(WOGAPIYU '^M Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M ----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login packet, but is an ACK ................. Please see entry "Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2" ( Sorry!!) -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 17:58:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:50:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:50:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.tele.fi!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!chyde.uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 17:58:29 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa, Finland Lines: 34 Approved: ts@chyde.uwasa.fi Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Originator: ts@uwasa.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.announce:8782 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1831 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sat 28-Jan-95: Two events made it necessary to revisit my collection of MSKermit material. The introduction of the new MSKermit version 3.14 from the Columbia University in the City of New York, and the decision of the Finnish computer centres to impose an 8-bit Unix standard with upper ascii Finnish characters. I have consequently released : 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. : The following material as been added. FINNCHAR.TXT Info about 8-bit Finnish charset KERM8BIT.INI VT102 for mskermit 3.14+ 8-bits FINNISH.CMD Use 7-bit Finnish characters LATIN1.CMD Use 8-bit international chars MIXED.CMD Use new 8-bit Finnish characters I have also updated the following scripts which were no longer up to date with the MSKermit program upgrades. GETBIN.CMD Automatic file transfer to PC GETTEXT.CMD Automatic file transfer to PC PUTBIN.CMD Automatic file transfer from PC PUTTEXT.CMD Automatic file transfer from PC If you need the actual MSKermit program, due to distribution policies the place to go for it is kermit.columbia.edu. Look for /kermit/archives/msvibm.zip. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 16:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:01:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 21:01:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2 Date: 3 Feb 1995 16:18:25 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu " This is the second half of the message " Kermit and bad line conditions " ----------> the received packet obove is not an ACK to the login packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet) Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M Spack: ^A$ GL:^M Rpack: ^A# Y>^M The login failure is forced by receiving Kermit, because the login packet was not received by the receivers side The Remote login packet is supported by both Kermits, the login Username and password is correct Behaviour of sending Kermit is not correct Please is there any solution or explanation of this ?? And, once again, sorry for any inconvenience for splitting up in two messages, but it is very hard to type in all the control characters and other stuff with the keybord. -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 12:32:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!rebecca!newserve!ub!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: ffisher@nyx.cs.du.edu (Francis Fisher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't Kermit on new installation Date: 2 Feb 1995 05:32:22 -0700 Organization: University of Denver, Math/CS Dept. Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Problem: nCan't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX and the version on NYX is, I think, the current version. Either way it is 12 bad checksums then halt. ASCII files transfer in the expected way. Kermit is started with the -i switch for binary transfers. I use the command 'send xxxyyy.exe' to initiate the process. H My suspicion is that there is either some kind of v.34 compatibility issue or a config thing at the input of the HP. But I don't know... Thanks....Francis Fisher From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 05:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:50:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:50:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard? Date: 4 Feb 1995 05:44:28 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3gv47s$1nc@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Nntp-Posting-Host: heiby.pr.mcs.net Keywords: OS/2 C-Kermit DigiBoard X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called something like "XSOL.SYS". Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 07:32:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:32:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 02:32:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit & DigiBoard? Date: 4 Feb 1995 07:32:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3gvai0$kdc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gv47s$1nc@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2 C-Kermit DigiBoard Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gv47s$1nc@news1.mcs.com>, wrote: >One of my colleagues will shortly be attempting to get C-Kermit 5A(190) >for OS/2 running on an 8 port DigiBoard unit. I have been told that there >are two models in use, "MCXI" and "ESAXEM". The driver is called >something like "XSOL.SYS". > XALL.SYS >Is there anything that I'll need to do to get this to work? Thanks! Ron. No, C-Kermit 5A(190) works fine with 8 port Digiboards. Some of the older drivers had problems. So if you have a problem, connect to the digiboard bbs or ftp site and get the latest OS/2 drivers. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:59:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:09:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:09:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usit.net!use.usit.net!howe From: howe@usit.net (Herb Howe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 2 Feb 1995 14:59:00 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: use.usit.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long packets and multiple sliding windows. Does anyone know what comm programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows? The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu does not work on my Mac SE, System 7. It bombs the Mac repeatedly. The Claris Kermit CTB Tool 1.0 supports either long packets or sliding windows but not both simultaneously. VersatermPro has an internal Kermit that does not do windows. Neither does the public-domain Kermit Tool GH 1.2 or the internal Kermit in ZTerm 1.0b3. Are there better CTB Tools available, either public-domain or commercial? Herb Howe howe@usit.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 14:06:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:34:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:34:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb2.100650.321@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 2 Feb 95 10:06:50 -0400 References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gober$sc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com>, Paul Smith wrote: >>Does the MSDOS kermit tool kit have a TSR mode of operation for a simple DOS >>box may run other windows/dos progs for serving background call ins over a >>modem to a com port for file transfer in / out / delete? >> > No, MS-DOS Kermit does not have a "simple TSR" mode. If you want to transfer > files with Kermit on your PC and at the same use your PC for other things, > then you need a multitasking environment (or what passes for one) like > OS/2, Windows, NT, DesqView, etc. > > - Frank I've successfully used two Kermits running on two serial ports at once, once dwnloading, and the other one interactively pretty heavily. If you have a decent 486/33mhz it should fly jerkily pretty well. set the properties to allow timeslicing or background execution. Now, to say it's a server will allow everyone to access your machine. How about a WEB page? Or a BBS? or a elcheapo 286 dedicated to handing out the stuff, a few hundered bucks would suffice. just my unasked for 2cents worth. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 08:36:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!awebb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: awebb@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (WEBB ADAM W) Date: 2 Feb 95 14:36:59 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu #1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon. #2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier. Same thing with uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and drop carrier :( Please help me. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 07:22:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:35:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:35:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!harvey From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Message-Id: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> Date: 4 Feb 95 02:22:22 -0500 Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like this: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits. I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this from the manual. -- James Harvey harvey@iupui.edu IUPUI IT Networks and Systems Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. I do not speak for Indiana University. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 03:17:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:47:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 04:47:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!rebecca!newserve!ub!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 3 Feb 1995 03:17:22 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: > >After obtaining the: > > > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 > >msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >message generated when MSKermit is initialized: > [poster found that patch file didn't work] The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10). The solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 05:12:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:41:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:41:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!torn!news.unb.ca!coranto.ucs.mun.ca!nstn.ns.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!news.uqam.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: mode "host" for caller? Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 05:12:58 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line with MS-Kermit (3.14) ---------- ------------ PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER SERVER | | via command DIAL ----------- ------------------- (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) What is setup for PC SERVER for answering and execute "get" and "put" from caller? (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?) Thanks, Gilles Ratel From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 16:53:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:54:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 11:54:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't Kermit on new installation Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:53:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3h0bf7$ncs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqjcm$bos@nyx.cs.du.edu>, Francis Fisher wrote: > >Problem: Can't transfer binary files via Kermit ...yet I have no >trouble with ASCII transfers. Conditions: I call a new HP-UX from >my home dos-based pc. The modem is a Sportster v.34 at modem speeds >from 2400 thru 28800, set at N-8-1. Whether I start Kermit on the >new HP or telneted to the NYX freenet computer, the session stops >quickly after 12 'bad checksums.' > Try "set parity space". Probably you are going through a terminal server or somesuch that is not passing 8 bits through. This question seems to come up at least once a week, so I'd better add it to the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/FAQ.TXT >One version of kermit is C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX > The current version is 5A(190). It might help too, since it knows a lot more about HP-UX than the six-year-old version does that you are using. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:02:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:02:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:02:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:02:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3h0bv8$nvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net>, Herb Howe wrote: >According to the Kermit documentation, for Kermit to approach the >transfer speed of ZModem, it is necessary to be able to set long >packets and multiple sliding windows. Does anyone know what comm >programs or, particulary, Communications Toolbox Tools are >available for the Mac that properly support sliding windows? > >The terminal program MacKermit available from kermit.columbia.edu >does not work on my Mac SE, System 7. It bombs the Mac >repeatedly. > Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of programmers who are both willing and able to do the job. I hope the situation will change in the future. Meanwhile, if you are not using version 0.991(190), then you might want to give it a try. It cures the problem (bomb) with downloading that came up under Mac OS 7.1. But of course, it still has other problems. The easiest way to get the files needed for the current Mac Kermit incarnation is through the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mac.html Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently needed ones being bug fixes. Contact me if you are interested. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:07:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:07:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:07:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:07:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, Armand Zakarian wrote: >In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, >Charles Lease wrote: >>After obtaining the: >>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >>message generated when MSKermit is initialized: >[poster found that patch file didn't work] >The problem is that msr314.pch is stored on the distribution site >as Unix text (lines separated by \10) while the MS Kermit patch >command expects DOS text (lines separated by \13\10). The >solution is to transfer the file from Unix to Dos in text mode. > "Problem" is in the eye of the beholder. It's a text file, and it is stored in the normal text format for the UNIX system on which you found it. But you should not be concerned with what the format is; you only need to know it is a text file, and therefore transfer it in text mode. Then it will arrive on your PC in the correct format and it will work as advertised. It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:15:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:15:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:15:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller? Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:15:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3h0cni$osi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gilles Ratel 8720 wrote: > I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line > with MS-Kermit (3.14) > > ---------- ------------ > PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER > SERVER | | via command DIAL > ----------- ------------------- > (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) > > What is setup for PC SERVER for > answering and execute "get" and > "put" from caller? > (or, how do you set this PC for "host"?) > This is thoroughly explained in two chapters, 10 and 11, of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", also available in French: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. Note: the French edition can also be ordered from Columbia University. See our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ for more information, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Briefly, you have to put the answering modem in answer mode. The PC that is connected to the answering modem is either running Kermit in server mode, or, for a LIMITED "host mode" capability, you can redirect its console to the COM port via CTTY COMx. In the former case, you have to send Kermit packets (SEND, GET, REMOTE DIRECTORY, etc). In the latter case, you can type DOS commands, but with caution -- the hazards of CTTY are explained in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:23:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:23:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:23:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:23:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>, James Harvey wrote: >I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to >provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. >The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like >this: > >$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call > I think that should be: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in quotes. If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-) >Currently when the user types the sequence to escape back to C-Kermit >command level, the end of the command file is reached and C-Kermit exits. >I would like to add an option to allow the user to instead get the C-Kermit >prompt and be able to type in more C-Kermit commands (e.g., for file transfer >and to connect again), but I haven't been able to figure out how to do this >from the manual. > Pages 316 and 323. It's the "-S" option (uppercase), for "Stay": $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" "-S" = number-to-call I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though. When you invoke a command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this should not cause an automatic exit. (Of course, Kermit will exit if the command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.) So any of the following should work: $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 17:59:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:59:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:59:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: LINUX KERMIT PROBLEM Date: 4 Feb 1995 17:59:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3h0f9g$rm1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb2.143659.84381@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, WEBB ADAM W wrote: >#1 I cannot upload anything. I can download fine. I have a 7E1 connect >and I've made sure to set both the remote and local kermit to that. > How? >The file types are also set the same (to binary)...and all that happens is >it looks like its going to u/l but only "%%TN%%" and that crap shows up >instead of "...." plz help me I need to u/l something very soon. > Could you please be more specific about exactly which versions of Kermit you have on each end, and the exact nature of the connection? What kinds of modems, etc? If, indeed, you told one (or both) Kermit(s) to SET PARITY EVEN, then the most likely problem is a lack of effective flow control in the uploading direction. The current version of Kermit for Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190), supports hardware (RTS/CTS) flow control, and that's what you should tell Kermit to use, and you should also configure your modem to use it to. After that, you're at the mercy of whatever is on the other end of the connection -- modem, terminal server, host, etc. If any of these are misconfigured as to flow control, etc, you will probably need to crank the packet length down to the largest size that will squeeze through. Also, you might try SET PARITY SPACE rather than SET PARITY EVEN, since an actual requirement for even parity is increasingly rare these days, and those parity bits might actually be causing trouble. >#2 After downloads which work great is drops carrier. Same thing with >uploads except for the fact that I actually don't u/l the file...if the >non-upload isn't stopped it will eventually give an error message and >drop carrier :( Please help me. > I'll need more details about the connection and the software versions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 04:38:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:04:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:04:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!kennethb From: kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 10:38:36 MDT Organization: The Ken Brush College Fund Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line: Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 7n1 echo:rem ANSI .... Ok but it does vt320 emulation. only when I change it to say this: Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 8n1 echo:rem ANSI .... will it do ANSI emulation. Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is by doing this: MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320 MS-Kermit> c MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi MS-Kermit> c and boom I have ansi emulation again. So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? -Ken- "You can't change the world But you can change the facts And when you change the facts You change points of view If you change points of view You may change a vote And when you change a vote You may change the world" -Depeche Mode From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 18:25:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:25:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:25:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and bad line conditions 2/2 Date: 4 Feb 1995 18:25:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3h0gqg$d2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gtl0h$62h$2@mhadg.production.compuserve.com>, Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > We are using an IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit V 3.12 (client) and a > C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, OpenVMS VAX (server). > The current versions are 3.14 and 5A(190), respectively. > Performing a transmission to a receiving Kermit via Modem > with bad line quality results in the following error. > Packet log of sending Kermit: > > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: ^A > Spack: ^A0 I~* @-#Y1~F!"*N^M > Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M > Spack: ^A6 GI'REHFELD(xxxxxx '^M > Rpack: ^A0 Y~4 @-#Y1~N'-U*^M > ----------> The received packet above is not an ACK to the login > packet, but is an ACK to the previously sent Init packet) > Nevertheless the Kermit sends out the Send packet > Spack: ^A0 S~* @-#Y1~F'"*^^M > Unfortunately, this can happen. The packet sequence number resets to zero after each "transaction". The I-Y sequence is considered a transaction, and the REMOTE LOGIN packet starts another transaction. So in a case like yours, in which the ACK to the I packet is transmitted more than once (due to timeouts or checksum failures) and the second or subsequent ACK is delayed, and arrives after the G packet is sent, it can indeed be misinterpreted as the ACK to the G packet. But no harm is done, because any resulting "packet skew" will be caught as the transaction proceeds. > Rpack: ^A; EKUA-W-104, Login failure4^M > Spack: ^A$ GL:^M > Rpack: ^A# Y>^M > The standard C-Kermit server does not support the REMOTE LOGIN feature. That is, the server will not log you in to VMS, and it does not even recognize the REMOTE LOGIN packet. I must say I am somewhat mystified at the "Login failure" message above, because the response should have been: Unimplemented REMOTE command So I think somebody must have made some local changes to your version of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 04:53:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:30:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 13:30:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 10:53:54 MDT References: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: > I have a problem. When I start out in ANSI it says on the little bar line: > Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 7n1 echo:rem ANSI .... > Ok but it does vt320 emulation. No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it. I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well. Joe D. > only when I change it to say this: > Esc: Alt-x help: Alt-h 2:barney.usu.edu 8n1 echo:rem ANSI .... > will it do ANSI emulation. > Is this a bug? Also the only way I have been able to change the 7n1 to 8n1 is > by doing this: > > MS-Kermit> set ter typ vt320 > MS-Kermit> c > > > MS-Kermit> set ter typ ansi > MS-Kermit> c > and boom I have ansi emulation again. > So could someone tell me a way to set the 7n1 to 8n1 in my mskermit.ini file? > Anyone? Anyone? > Bueller? From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 06:28:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:49:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:49:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mode "host" for caller? Message-Id: <1995Feb4.122835.40555@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 12:28:35 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes: > I don't understand how do you do connect two PC via modem line > with MS-Kermit (3.14) > > > ---------- ------------ > PC |__modem________modem__| PC call SERVER > SERVER | | via command DIAL > ----------- ------------------- > (MS-Kermit) (MS-Kermit) > > What is setup for PC SERVER for > answering and execute "get" and > "put" from caller? > (or, how do > you set this PC for "host"?) ----------- On the server side tell the modem to autoanswer. Set the port to the proper COMx and speed etc within Kermit. Tell Kermit to be a server. That's it. Read more about it in the documentation, particularly the user's manual "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK HELP screens. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 21:20:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:58:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:58:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with 28.8 connection!! *Please Read* Date: 4 Feb 1995 21:20:07 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all! I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem. It seems as if all of the modem scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed into them. For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try to dial, I get this message. Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28 Unable to set speed at 28800 Hence, I canot dial out. Does anyone know how I could solve this problem and get 28800 conections? Thanks a million! McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 10:43:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 20:48:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 20:48:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!sinetnews!hakata!genkai!genkai!h79055a From: h79055a@kyu-cc.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp (Yun Mo) Subject: Re: [ help ] how to set the parameters for terminal Tek4010 ? In-Reply-To: MoYun's message of Tue, 31 Jan 95 05:00:05 GMT Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: news@genkai.cc.kyushu-u.ac.jp Organization: Computer Center, Kyushu University References: <3gkfv4$4bv@kyu-cs.csce.kyushu-u.ac.jp> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 10:43:16 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The probelm has been solved by setting GDC CLOCK for the PC to 2.5. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Tel. 092-641-1101(Ex.5579) | Yun MO, EnD | Fax. 092-651-8616 | MoYun@apex.chem-eng.kyushu-u.ac.jp | Tel. 092-661-1665(Home) | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 21:59:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:59:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!cloud9.net!leftwich From: James Leftwich Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: please help Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:13:30 -0500 Organization: Cloud 9 Internet + White Plains, New York, USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: cloud9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here goes... Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit). Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it? Thanks in advance Jim Leftwich leftwich@cloud9.net From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 13:53:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:13:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with 28.8 connection!! *Please Read* Message-Id: <1995Feb4.195358.40611@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Feb 95 19:53:58 MDT References: <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0r27$bed@lester.appstate.edu>, JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) writes: > Hello all! I just dl'ed Kermit 3.14 but am having trouble > configuring it for my PPI 28.8 v.34 modem. It seems as if all of the modem > scripts that are provided come with speed locking constraints programmed > into them. For example, when I set the pp14400 to max out at 28800 and try > to dial, I get this message. > Locking Interface Speed at 28800...ATS87=28 > Unable to set speed at 28800 > > Hence, I canot dial out. Does anyone know how I could solve this > problem and get 28800 conections? Thanks a million! ------------ 1. If you read the modem's manual again I think you will discover that it recommends running the comms program to modem part at about 4 times the telco signaling speed. So try SET SP 57600 or even 115200 and let the modem lock the computer interface at that speed. 2. Please do read the modem information provided in the MSK distribution set so you can pick up as many useful hints as possible. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 16:13:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:49:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19169 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:49:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.kth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 4 Feb 1995 16:13:04 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3h092g$kum@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3go7qe$ghi@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: :In article <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu>, :I don't run MS-DOS any more, so it would be painful for me to try and :figure out a good way to do this with MS-Kermit 3.14. 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 05:21:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 04:20:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 04:20:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!georged From: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] How do I run a script? Date: 5 Feb 1995 05:21:37 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote. Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it does ?) Thank you. ============================================================================= TTTTTTTTTTTTT Temple University Press TTTTTTTTTTTTT George Dimitoglou TTTTT Business Dept. TTTTT TTTTT U.S.B Rm. 305 | E-mail: georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu TTTTT Broad & Oxford Sts., | tempress@astro.osis.temple.edu TTTTT Philadelphia, | Tel : (215)204-8787 TTTTT Pa 19121 | Fax : (215)204-4719 ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 3 20:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:33:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 06:33:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:23:42 GMT Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet readnews user id) Nntp-Posting-Host: achilles.encore.com Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: >> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> >>>In article <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >>>> > Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >If not please do. > Btw, Columbia Kermits are not shareware. I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel. How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell? (a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. ) It looks like I will need to pay $20.00 per box if I go with zmodem. Any better ideas ? This is in Unixware (SVR4.2) enviromment. Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 1 15:34:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 08:11:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 08:11:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!uunet!munnari.oz.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with transmit under MSK 3.14 Date: 2 Feb 1995 02:04:19 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3go9lr$sdu@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running MSK 3.14 patch level 3 with the BNU 1.70 FOSSIL under Novell DOS 7 (with update 10 applied). When doing a transmit of a single line file to the Unixware machine here, my machine (with a CGA video card) went into 40 column mode. Doing a push then mode co80 fixed things. Anyone else experienced this? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 03:27:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 11:37:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 11:37:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] How do I run a script? Message-Id: <1995Feb5.092703.40638@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 09:27:03 MDT References: <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h1n91$hu7@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, georged@astro.ocis.temple.edu (G. DIMITOGLOU) writes: > > Hi! just a simple hint on what command to use in order to run a script I wrote. > Also, is there a degugging method to verify where my code crashes (in case it > does ?) --------------- MS-DOS Kermit (please do explain your context, thanks): TAKE filename to read commands from that file SET TAKE ECHO ON to see commands executed HELP to see name of the User's Manual Joe D. -8-223-5082 > arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au --------------- The remote host echoed something like ESC [ m to you, and while doing script commands video displaying is accomplished by DOS. ANSI.SYS is crippled and puts you into 40 column mode (see the docs on ANSI.SYS in your DOS books). Cure: SET INPUT ECHO OFF. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 08:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:54:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 13:54:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.kth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Learning kermit script lang - kl.txt [1/1] Date: 5 Feb 1995 08:29:37 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3h229h$15q@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gqqse$s19@raffles.technet.sg> kheesoon@technet.sg writes: :Is there any kermit script lang manual available in internet. The best way is to learn by example together with the Kermit book. I am confident that Frank will give you the pointer to the latter. Here is one pointer to the former. 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 06:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:35:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:35:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: please help Message-Id: <1995Feb5.124006.40644@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 12:40:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , James Leftwich writes: > I realize this probably isn't the proper forum for my question but here > goes... Correct, not the appropriate News group. > Can someone tell me how to get started with zmodem (i.e., where to get it > on the 'Net, documentation, how it's better than Kermit). > > Or can someone make a good pitch for Kermit and tell me why to stick with it? Lessee now. You want others to do your thinking and lead you by the hand, and probably take the flak if you are unhappy. What a deal! May I make a humble suggestion of trying the items of interest to you and forming opinions based on your particular circumstances. Pointers on how to get started are sprinkled through the traffic in this group. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 5 10:28:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:03:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:02:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and Kermit =) Message-Id: <1995Feb5.162807.40662@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Feb 95 16:28:07 MDT References: <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb5.154814.40653@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb5.154814.40653@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: > In article <1995Feb4.105354.40551@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <1995Feb4.103836.40550@cc.usu.edu>, kennethb@cc.usu.edu (Ken Brush) writes: >> >> No, it is not. You are seeing MSK report VT100 mode, which is a 7-bit >> device and which is as close as we can come to terminal types known to the >> world. VMS has no conception of the PC modem BBS "ANSI" item, nor should it. >> I strongly recommend using VT320. VMS understands that very well. >> Joe D. > > Ok then how do I change from a 7-bit to an 8-bit display? > And how come you can type set term typ ansi and have it in 7-bit mode if it > doesn't handle ANSI color? ----------- Let's separate these items. SET DISPLAY or SET TERM BYTESIZE 7 or 8 Color has nothing to do with 7 or 8 it comms channels. Color is set by CSI 30's and/or 40's m, or in 7-bit form ESC [ 30's and/or 40's m. The above are in the user's manual and the distribution docs. If the remote host is sending material in 8-bit form to a client which is not 8-bit compatible (and VT100's are 7-bit devices) then the high bit is lost and confusion will result. I wish to emphasize that VMS knows nothing about "ANSI" terminal kinds, so please use a kind it does recognize such as the handy VT320 which is an 8-bit terminal kind too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 08:42:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 03:55:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 03:55:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!elna.ethz.ch!nh From: nh@lem.ee.ethz.ch (Norbert Hanke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Date: 6 Feb 1995 08:42:00 GMT Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3h4nco$ec7@elna.ethz.ch> References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3gs782$4td@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: opak-etz.ethz.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0c8j$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: ... > >It's too bad all computers can't store files in the same format. > >- Frank That's one reason to use kermit for file transfer ... :-) -- Norbert Hanke Power Electronics Lab, ETH Zurich, Switzerland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 08:27:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 04:57:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 04:57:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news1.oakland.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!ulowell.uml.edu!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 08:27:42 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 11:56:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:56:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:56:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.102932.115562@daniel> Date: 6 Feb 95 10:29:32 ETST References: <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports > that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, > the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is > transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end > with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and > therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends > with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. > There's one other way for this to happen -- if you don't have the fixed release of 3.14 from January 18th, but instead have the initial "final" release, the patch files won't work because it's the wrong version. I managed to ftp the new version, and then forgot to actually install it, and later spent about ten minutes trying to figure out why the patch files wouldn't work. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 15:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:59:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:59:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:28:59 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 17:34:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:37:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:37:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 6 Feb 1995 11:34:32 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended >> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. >------------------- > Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit >file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, >TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical >problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking >capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade >folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, >a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of >conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. > There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >familiar and managable form. All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR can find a cheaper home. > We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with >the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy >so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do >item on our wish list. I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any host on the other end. Especially if it could easily be set up to transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit server and a native mail system at the host side. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 19:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:14:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 6 Feb 1995 14:19:57 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Message-Id: References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu In-Reply-To: tma@encore.com's message of Fri, 3 Feb 1995 20:23:42 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanh Ma: I would rather talk about lisencing here than through a 'formal' channel. How much would it be if I ship a copy of kermit for every PC that I sell? (a few guys in customer service deparment would like to have access to every PC that we ship. They need to do file transfer from time to time. ) Short answer: if you don't charge for kermit, you don't have to pay for it. Complicating factors: if you're in a position to pay them for it, it's a good idea to buy what you want from Columbia University (this has to do with the long-term viability of kermit). And then there's support... -- Raul D. Miller Account expiring on 13 Feb'95: / Temporary alternative: / Temporary alternative: / From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 19:43:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:36:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 15:36:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ^J...^M...|kermit Date: 6 Feb 1995 14:43:48 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 17 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to figure out how to get C-Kermit in connection mode to distinguish between a control J and a control M when feeding it from a pipe. What I want is for a control J to pass through unaltered, and a control M to pass through unaltered -- this works fine if kermit is talking directly to the controlling tty, but if I try and filter the input to kermit things don't work so well. I'm preceeding the call to the filter and kermit with `stty -echo raw`. Thanks. -- Raul D. Miller Account expiring on 13 Feb'95: / Temporary alternative: / Temporary alternative: / From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 17:38:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:10:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:10:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!interlog.com!news1.fonorola.net!fonorola!Rezonet.net!news From: Andrew Morrow Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 6 Feb 1995 17:38:01 GMT Organization: MixNet Organization Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.RezoNet.NET> References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: andrewm41.dataradio.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > Addresses in Canada should end with: > > City XX lnl nln > CANADA > > where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for > Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the > six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a classification name as part of the abbreviation. If you get a subscription with QC will your software choke, or will you just pass it on to the Canadian postal service which fortunately can handle both abbreviations? Andrew. _____________________________________________________________________ Andrew Morrow Dataradio Inc. ((( o ))) Director, Software Development Montreal, Quebec ___|_ voice:+1 514 737-0020 |_____| email: amorrow@dataradio.com fax: +1 514 737-7883 From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 21:17:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:42:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:42:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuhou.aloha.net!newsham From: newsham@hookomo.aloha.net (Timothy Newsham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit maximum wait time Date: 6 Feb 1995 21:17:44 GMT Organization: Hawaii OnLine - Honolulu, HI Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: hookomo.aloha.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, This question is reguarding C-Kermit scripting not the kermit protocol. Is this the proper place? I have a script that waits for input on the serial line, writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output. The program needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes. What is the maximum value I can use to wait with? It seems that the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so with the current values I'm using. Since I quit if the wait fails the script stops running. (The reason I quit if the wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script, otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending a shutdown command over the serial line). Please cc: me a copy of any posted responses since I dont follow this group. Tim N. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 21:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09603 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:01:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:01:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!darwin.sura.net!source.asset.com!source.asset.com!not-for-mail From: weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Date: 6 Feb 1995 16:09:25 -0500 Organization: Asset Source for Software Engineering Technology Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3h6365$fsr@source.asset.com> References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 530tr0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >| In article , Jim Nakamura wrote: >| > >| >Every so often (during a connection) random characters appear on the >| >screen. Kermit (190) is leaking. This problem does not show up >| >on other comm programs. > >> Random characters at the current cursor position? > Yes. About a character or two every half minute. >> Random characters at some other position? > No. >> Is it reproducible? Do these random characters occur often enough that >> you could capture them in a session log which could be sent to me? > Seems to happen only while in my newsreader "nn". >> Could you please define "leaking"? > "O{pPd^Dd" - these characters (one at a time appearing at > random intervals at the cursor screen). >> Are you using hardware flow control? > Yes. >-- >jzero@netcom.com Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know the execution environment. However, what it sounds like to me is PON over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service). Are you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines? If so, it must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and Kermit is *not* the problem. More modern modems, esp. those with error- correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem. If you are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin J. Weise weisek@source.asset.com COLSA Corporation Voice - (205) 922-1512 ext. 2115 6726 Odyssey Drive FAX - (205) 971-0002 Huntsville, AL 35806 {Standard Disclaimers about my opinions & my employer's opinions} {... which are in conflict often enough} ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Admire those who seek the truth; avoid those who find it." Marcel Proust From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 07:49:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:37:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:37:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Feb 95 13:49:31 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> If so, the kermit would save me a BUNCH. I need to provide a remote unattended >>> file xfer solution to 40,000 DOS boxes and realy need a good and cheap solution. >>------------------- >> Let's look at this case. Basically you want MSK to become a TSR Kermit >>file server. Of course, it's not designed that way now; file server yes, >>TSR no. Doing file i/o as a TSR has a substantial collection of technical >>problems because DOS itself is not reentrant and provides no multitasking >>capabilities. Experiences with DOS' PRINT TSR should be enough to persuade >>folks that these background transfer guys can be bad news. In addition, >>a program even the size of Kermit-Lite use substantial amounts of >>conventional memory, making multiple tasking awkward for the user. > > I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used > with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls > in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too > much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears > to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size > is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and > login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of > this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME > attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece which does not attract much attention by itself. >> There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >>familiar and managable form. > > All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR > can find a cheaper home. So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such. >> We could make a Kermit-Lite which went TSR and tried to cope with >>the horrid problems of doing DOS i/o from interrupt level. It's not easy >>so this would have to become a fully funded project rather than a to-do >>item on our wish list. > > I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is > a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming a parts supplier for free. Joe D. > form of a scriptable kermit TSR since it would allow just about any > host on the other end. Especially if it could easily be set up to > transport messages for something like Pegasus, using only a kermit > server and a native mail system at the host side. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 02:54:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:40:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 23:40:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!news.uh.edu!yxw11570 From: yxw11570@Bayou.UH.EDU (Y. Wang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 02:54:37 GMT Organization: University of Houston Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bayou.uh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it hang up. What's wrong? I can use the same AT command in other communication program, why I can't use it here? How can I solve this problem? Please help. Thanks for any information. Ye From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 06:37:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:03:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:03:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!sacsa3.mp.usbr.gov!fwssun1.irm.r6.fws.gov!ash.lab.r1.fws.gov!ash.lab.r1.fws.gov!not-for-mail From: cox@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Date: 7 Feb 1995 06:37:12 -0000 Organization: USFWS Forensic Laboratory, Ashland, OR USA Lines: 4 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: ash.lab.r1.fws.gov Summary: Data transfer from Nicolet IR Keywords: IR Nicolet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to obtain the data n the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system perating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available Bob Cox From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 4 03:29:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:26:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:26:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: interesting from OMEN Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 20:29:20 -0700 Organization: primenet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 9 Message-Id: Reply-To: jbishop@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: usr2.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.78 with YES 0.16.B0129 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode). Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 01:10:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:40:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22790 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:40:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!uunet!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!usenet From: dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit script to load password? Date: 7 Feb 1995 01:10:38 GMT Organization: Retupmoc Nuf' Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dhuguet.async.vt.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker" which I suppose is supposed to contain my password. I tried creating it with input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't connect right. It looks like it reads the password correctly, but then when it submits it to the password authentication server, I always get error messages. I am thinking that perhaps it is typing it in all caps or something that would make it unreadable to the server. I would appreciate it if anyone out there who knows how to do kermit scripts at all could look at this script and tell me what I need to put in my "mypass.ker" script for it to work. Thanks a lot. here is the script that calls "mypass.ker": :GETPSWD if INPATH mypass.ker goto PASSFILE echo echo {Please enter your password now (the one for Personal ID "\m(NWAPersonalID)"} askq Passwd { and IP Address "\m(NWTIPAddr)"), or "quit" to give up: \7} if EQUAL x x\m(Passwd) goto GETPSWD if NOT EQUAL xquit x\m(Passwd) goto END ErrMsg {User entered "quit" in response to password prompt.} Open Write UserQuit.FLG Write File "User Canceled" Close Write set errorlevel 6 goto END :PASSFILE ProgMsg {Loading password with MYPASS.KER...} take mypass.ker END thank you in advance. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 01:55:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:11:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:11:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!lexus.gslis.utexas.edu!nksung From: nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: tn3270 and Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 01:55:10 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus.gslis.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed and the script. One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe. I guess Kermit dose not support tn3270. Is this true? If it is, anybody who have made it work? Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future? FYI, I use 'tn3270 uicmvsa.aiss.uiuc.edu' to access Illinet online. I will extremely appriciate it if you find a way to use Kermit instead of tn3270. Thanx Nackil From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 05:58:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 04:26:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.ess.harris.com!jabba.ess.harris.com!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: rkutai@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: C-Kermit 5A(189) Date: 7 Feb 1995 00:58:54 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: martha.utcc.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I run kermit, a warning showed up: $kermit Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator. C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x ... I recently noticed the Warning line when I added .kermrc to my home dir. My .kermrc looks like this: set send pac 9024 set blo 3 set win 31 I wrote the file using emacs. So far I haven't experienced anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to my home dir. Is there anyway to correct the problem and still keep my own .kermrc? Thank you much. --- rsk 02.06.95 -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ Raymond Steven Kutai rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 05:59:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:44:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:44:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!jamaican From: jamaican@garnet.msen.com (Dwight Hugget) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 05:59:23 GMT Organization: Msen, Inc. -- Ann Arbor, MI (account info: +1 313 998-4562) Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.msen.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit? anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro. thanks -- ======================================================================= = "Artist seeks Boss with vision impairment." = = 0/ __o ,,, = = <| _`\< _ (o o) = = / > --(_)/ (_)------- jamaican@garnet.msen.com -------ooO-(_)-Ooo- = ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:39:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:39:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:39:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: tn3270 and Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:39:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3h7t65$dan@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6jtu$bjk@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Nackil Sung wrote: >I use PC kermit instead of telnet to access Interent because of the speed >and the script. One problem, however, I run into is the difficulty of >using our online catalog residing in IBM mainframe. I guess Kermit dose >not support tn3270. Is this true? > True. >If it is, anybody who have made it work? >Or any plan to support tn3270 in the future? > Yes. In the meantime, you can use a separate tn3270 program on your PC, or you can access the mainframe through a 3270 emulator -- a special- purpose box such as an IBM 7171, a terminal server that has 3270 emulation built in, or by telnet'ing from Kermit to (say) a UNIX system and using tn3270 from there to the mainframe. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:43:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:43:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem init. in OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:43:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3h7teq$dh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6ndd$8em@masala.cc.uh.edu>, Y. Wang wrote: >I have problem with initializing the modem in OS/2 C-Kermit 5A. After I >use the command: set dial init ATXXXXX, where XXXXX denotes a string of >legal AT command, I issued: dial xxxxxxx, where xxxxxxx is the phone >number. I got the following message: ATXXXXX. Modem does not response, >retry... (or something like that) after C-Kermit tried three time, it >hang up. What's wrong? > The default port is COM1. If your modem is on a different port, then you'll have to tell Kermit to "set port 2" (or whatever). You also have to tell Kermit to use a speed that the modem can understand. For example, if I have my speed set to 57600, my Hayes 2400 will not respond to AT commands. Please read the section on troubleshooting DIAL commands in the manual, "Using C-Kermit". There are a surprising number of things that can go wrong. If that doesn't help, send a more detailed description of the problem (what kind of modem you have, what XXXXX is, etc) to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:48:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:49:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:49:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: C-Kermit 5A(189) Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:48:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3h7to9$dol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h726u$of0@martha.utk.edu>, Raymond Steven Kutai wrote: >When I run kermit, a warning showed up: > $kermit > Warning: Last line of TAKE file lacks Terminator. > C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93 Solaris 2.x > ... >I recently noticed the Warning line when I added >.kermrc to my home dir. My .kermrc looks like this: > >set send pac 9024 >set blo 3 >set win 31 > >I wrote the file using emacs. So far I haven't experienced >anything bad yet but just to be on the safe side, I wonder if >the warning has anything to do with my adding .kermrc to >my home dir. Is there anyway to correct the problem and still >keep my own .kermrc? > Each line in a UNIX text file, including the final line, is supposed to be terminated by a linefeed character. The message means that the final line in your .kermrc file does not end with a linefeed. Kermit still reads and executes the final line, however, at least if it is a valid Kermit command. Not all other programs will necessarily be so forgiving, so you should get the file back into EMACS and put a linefeed at the end (ESC >, then press Enter or return, then save the file). - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:51:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:51:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:51:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: redial macro for os/2C-Kermit Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:51:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3h7tsh$dsm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com>, Dwight Hugget wrote: >is there a redial macro to get more than 1 dial attempt for os/2 C-Kermit? >anyway to tweak what's there now to create some type of redial macro. > Some macros are left as "exercises for the reader". Try this: define myredial redial, while fail { redial, sleep 30 } Embellish as desired. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:56:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Date: 7 Feb 1995 13:56:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Distribution: comp Message-Id: <3h7u5l$e5p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: IR Nicolet Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov>, wrote: > I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in order to > obtain the data in ASCII. I need a version of Kermit which will talk to the > Nicolet operating system (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version > available? > From the Kermit Digest, V20 #1, 25 Aug 94. I don't know if FTIR is the same as any of the computers listed below, but if it is, you've got your Kermit program: Date: 2 July 1994 From: Peter McClintock Subject: Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit I have written a Kermit for Nicolet data-processors in the NIC-80 series (LAB-80, NMR-80, MED-80, BNC-12). Although it provides a relatively simple implementation of the protocol, it will open up a new dimension to many enthusiasts for these ancient machines. The main usage in practice is likely to be in transferring averaged spectra or other data to a mainframe, workstation or PC for further analysis or for plotting with modern plotting packages. But the Kermit will, of course, also enable Nicolet users to exchange programmes and data with each other on a world-wide basis. To get started there is a choice of two options - (a) Obtain the sourcecode from Kermit Distribution, type it in, assemble it, and generate and de-bug the executable programme according to the instructions, all on the Nicolet. (The source code is in kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/c/nic*.*.) (b) Ask me for a copy of the binary. This can be supplied on paper tape; alternatively, send me a formatted 8-inch floppy, or front-loading Diablo-30 cartridge, onto which the binary can be stored. For option (b), there is a $100 handling charge (waived if the applicant can offer new NIC-80 software of comparable utility in return). Please make cheques payable to "University of Lancaster". Once the initial version of the Kermit is installed and running on a given system, future updates can obviously be received by ftp or e-mail, using the current Kermit to download them from the receiving machine to the NIC-80 on which they are to be used. Mailing address for disks: P V E McClintock, School of Physics and Materials, University of Lancaster, LANCASTER LA1 4YB, UK. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:56:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:43:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:43:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 7 Feb 1995 08:56:15 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3h7u5v$9d@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chuck Forsberg at Omen had some legitimate beefs, I think, but after following the debate ad nauseum last year in comp.dcom.modems, I found myself having less and less sympathy for his position. Mr. Forsberg ranted for months that there was a conspiracy at Columbia to besmirch the good name of ZMODEM. Eventually I read the Kermit News article and didn't see it that way. In the end, I concluded that the best ZMODEM implementation is slightly faster than the best KERMIT implementation, at least some of the time. For me, the speed difference was insignificant compared to the price difference and the support difference. Granted, the latter was speculation on my part. I read Frank's books and compared his c.d.m postings to Chuck's and decided it would be no contest. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 17:20:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:20:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03810 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:20:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit maximum wait time Date: 7 Feb 1995 17:20:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3h8a43$3m5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h63lo$svd@nuhou.aloha.net>, Timothy Newsham wrote: >I have a script that waits for input on the serial line, >writes to a file, runs a program, then sends output. The program >needs to wait for long periods of time sometimes. What is >the maximum value I can use to wait with? It seems that >the program breaks out of the wait after about a day or so >with the current values I'm using. > It depends on "sizeof int" in the C compiler that generated your version of C-Kermit. The INPUT timeout is a signed integer, so the maximum value would be two raised to the 'th power, minus 1. So for 16-bit integers, it would be 65535 seconds, which is indeed only about 76% of a day. For 32-bit integers, of course, the maximum timeout would be way bigger. >Since I quit if the wait >fails the script stops running. (The reason I quit if the >wait fails is so that a ^C at the console will kill the script, >otherwise the only way I have of killing the script is sending >a shutdown command over the serial line). > There's always a way. For example, you could simply make a loop that executes infinitely, and waits for an hour, or 12 hours, or whatever, until the input arrives. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 16:10:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:12:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09268 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:12:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Date: 7 Feb 1995 10:10:09 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used >> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls >> in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too >> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears >> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size >> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and >> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of >> this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME >> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. > > Appears to be just one piece of a larger system, and a piece >which does not attract much attention by itself. Yes, but it is the piece that, at the moment, can't be replaced. Worse, it ties us to a peculiar piece of software at the unix host side since we are running our own hub instead of using the attmail service. This in turn ties us to a particular version of unix. >>> There are systems with time sharing capabilities designed into them. >>>The best known are OS/2 and Unix, with OS/2 providing DOS services in a >>>familiar and managable form. >> >> All of which require at least a 386 and a bunch of memory. A 60K TSR >> can find a cheaper home. > > So, that's the norm these days, what with Windows and such. Yes, that's what people buy now, but they don't discard the older machines, they just get passed down to someone else who still needs email access. >> I don't have enough sites to justify this myself, but I think there is >> a market for a generic solution to this problem, especially in the > > I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not >a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming >a parts supplier for free. I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything else on the cheap. The other components needed to put a workable system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware forms that could be glued together to build a custom system. For example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus. The critical points to making it usable are that the end points appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines, and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled calls in the background as an option. But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 04:05:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:14:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:14:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script to load password? Message-Id: <1995Feb7.100544.40871@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 10:05:44 MDT References: <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h6hae$b1t@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, dhuguet@vt.edu (David Huguet) writes: > I have this script that runs when I log on that will look for a file called "mypass.ker" > which I suppose is supposed to contain my password. I tried creating it > with > input "password", where "password" is my personal one, but it doesn't From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 13:37:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:37:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:37:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:57:55 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 Summary: V3.14 Disconnect sessions X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 01:06:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:06:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 8 Feb 1995 01:06:10 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3h95e2$krc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeff Bishop says: |Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the |kermit news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It |surely attacks this claim and find it based with pretty interesting |facts. If any of you are interested in reading this article (complete |with gif pictures) read on. You can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in |as anonymous. Once here, cd to /users/j/jbishop and get the file |knewstru.zip (in binary mode). I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience. His writing style is--um--bizzare, to say the least. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Yeechang Lee's home page From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 18:14:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:08:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!cablew.com!news From: brewer@us.net (Scott Carpenter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and NT Date: 7 Feb 1995 18:14:44 GMT Organization: Carpenter Consulting Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 146.135.61.28 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just been given the job of porting all of our applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I can't get the telnet function to work. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 20:49:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:09:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:09:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 7 Feb 1995 15:49:46 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one switches back to the session. So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on whenever I switch a session? Are these even possible? Skimming through `The Book' I couldn't find an answer. Now, it's entirely possible that I missed something (wouldn't be the first time). So, if it is covered in the documentation, could someone please tell me the relevant page numbers at least. Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 03:50:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:50:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 22:50:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and NT Date: 8 Feb 1995 03:50:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3h9f1t$4gu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8dak$3jm@doberman.cablew.com>, Scott Carpenter wrote: >I have just been given the job of porting all of our >applications from OS/2 to NT. One of the functions I >need to replicate is OS/2 C-Kermit telneting to >another computer with VT100 emulation. I ported over >the key mapping all of our users are used to, but I >can't get the telnet function to work. Any >suggestions? > OS/2 C-Kermit does not work with NT 3.5 in any mode. NEtwork connections ae absolutely out of the question since they are not part of the base OS/2 functionality and were not replicated by Microsoft. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 07:55:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit TSR for background xfers? Message-Id: <1995Feb7.135535.40928@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 13:55:35 MDT References: <3go00i$bie@crl12.crl.com> <1995Feb1.100246.40094@cc.usu.edu> <3h5mj8$kar@Mercury.mcs.com> <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu> <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8611$eif@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <1995Feb6.134931.40786@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >>> I'm running a DOS program called ACCESS PLUS that is intended to be used >>> with the attmail service that uses a 60K TSR to provide scheduled calls >>> in the background. It is running on many machines without causing too >>> much trouble from being a TSR, so it is at least possible. It appears >>> to run an xmodem-like protocol modified so that the total packet size >>> is 256 bytes, and has a minimal scripting language for dialing and >>> login. However, there are things I don't like about the rest of >>> this package. I'd like to replace it with something that does MIME >>> attachments without losing the ability to do the background communication. >> I disagree here. The market is for the big scale product, not >>a tailor-made component. There is no interest at this end in becoming >>a parts supplier for free. > > I don't mean to imply that you have any obligation to provide such > a thing for free, but I still think there is a need for it and it > fits into the kermit model of making everything talk to everything > else on the cheap. The other components needed to put a workable > system together are available in various free or low-cost shareware > forms that could be glued together to build a custom system. For > example you could use uqwk on a unix host and any of several qwk/soup > readers, or set up something similar as a custom gateway for Pegasus. > The critical points to making it usable are that the end points > appear as users on the host machine rather than remote machines, > and that the communications must take care of itself with scheduled > calls in the background as an option. > > But maybe it's too late for simple serial communications. ---------------- I think the time passed in the early 70's when Unix grew up, even though there is a modern resurgence this year as "service providers" appear in every other garage to guide folks to the ISH. There is always a need for someone(s) to make working systems from components. However, the Kermit designers may not be interested in spending their own time and effort in such work (they too, like everyone, have plans and goals). Hence a contractural arrangement would be needed to create the group to do the special job. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 07:59:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:12:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Message-Id: <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Feb 95 13:59:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a > UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in > after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to > prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. ---------------- It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 04:16:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:37:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!harvey From: harvey@indyvax.iupui.edu (James Harvey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting back to C-Kermit command level when using a command file Message-Id: <1995Feb7.231615.12294@ivax> Date: 7 Feb 95 23:16:15 -0500 References: <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax> <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Indiana University-Purdue University at Indianapolis Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h0d6h$pfo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1995Feb4.022222.12173@ivax>, > James Harvey wrote: >>I have a question about C-Kermit 5A(190) on a VAX. We use this to >>provide dialout services under a menu system using a C-Kermit command file. >>The command file is passed the number to dial on the command line like >>this: >> >>$ CKERMIT dialing-command-file -Y = number-to-call >> > I think that should be: > > $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call > > VMS lowercases your command-line options unless you enclose them in > quotes. If it worked for you without quotes, it's an accident :-) You're right of course. I had overlooked the doublequotes, which caused the command to work as long as there was an exit command in the command file. When I tried to take it out, I would get a command syntax error (correctly because of the missing filespec argument to the unquoted -Y option which was now really a -y option). I should have mentioned that, but I thought it was unrelated (yes, I should know better :) [snip] > > I don't think the "-S" should be necessary, though. When you invoke a > command file by giving its name as the first command-line argument, this > should not cause an automatic exit. (Of course, Kermit will exit if the > command file contains an EXIT or QUIT command.) So any of the following > should work: > > $ CKERMIT dialing-command-file "-Y" = number-to-call > > $ CKERMIT -y dialing-command-file = number-to-call Yes, this works perfectly. Thanks! P.S.: Nice work on 5A(190). I like the bugfix for flow control on the console (edit 061 to ckvtio.c). Now I can toss my last patch! (well, except for our wacky custom modem-dialer code) -- James Harvey harvey@iupui.edu IUPUI IT Networks and Systems Disclaimer: These are my own opinions. I do not speak for Indiana University. I spilt spot remover on my dog and now he's gone. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 23:10:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 02:48:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 02:48:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!fonorola!infoshare!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Message-Id: Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 23:10:34 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net>, Andrew Morrow wrote: >> Addresses in Canada should end with: >> City XX lnl nln >> CANADA >> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for >> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the >> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l' alpha only. >PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving >DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a >classification name as part of the abbreviation. PQ was (and still is) useful in many non-postal contexts, to differetiate Quebec the province from Quebec the city (and the province's capitol). Only Anglos refer to it as Quebec City, the proper French usage is to refer to both as "Quebec", thus the reference to PQ. Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Novell Unix Master Reseller / evan@telly.on.ca / (905) 452-0504 A happy traveller on the information sidewalk From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 6 18:36:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:06:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:06:44 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!pacbell.com!amdahl.com!amd!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Subject: Re: Kermit patch level indication? Message-Id: <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Reply-To: ac388@lafn.org (Charles Lease) Organization: The Los Angeles Free-Net References: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:36:14 GMT Lines: 73 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org>, >Charles Lease wrote: >> >>After obtaining the: >> > ; For MS Kermit/IBM-PC Version 3.14, Patches 1-3, 22 Jan 1995 >>msr314.pch file, and replacing the patch file distributed with the >>msvibm.zip MSKermit v3.14 distribution, I notice that the start-up >>message generated when MSKermit is initialized: >> > Installing patches... >> > MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 0 >> >The following has been added to our FAQ, since it seems to keep >coming up: > >Since the release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, there have been persistent reports >that patches don't seem to "stick". That is, after giving a PATCH command, >the patch level is still reported as 0. This can happen if the patch file is >transferred to the PC from a UNIX system in binary mode, so the lines end >with LF rather than CRLF -- DOS does not recognize the line boundaries and >therefore Kermit does not see valid patches. Cure: make sure each line ends >with CRLF. Fix it in an editor, or re-transfer the file in text mode. > >Also, remember there is no longer a need to rename the patch file to >MSKERMIT.PCH. Since there are now three different Kermit executables, there >must be three corresponding patch files. For version 3.14, these are: > > MSR314.PCH -- For full-featured KERMIT.EXE > MSRM314.PCH -- For "medium-size" KERMITE.EXE > MSRL314.PCH -- For "Kermit Lite" KERLITE.EXE > >Notice that each patch file includes the version number as part of its >name. This allows you to run different versions of Kermit without confusion >about patching. > >- Frank > Thanks to you and Armand (in later posting concerning patch indication) for your help with "Patch" installation. You were correct in indicating that patch file was in "UNIX" format rather than "DOS". I used a unix2dos utility to convert the to and now the patch file installs correctly, leaving me at: Installing patches... MS-DOS Kermit: 3.14 18 Jan 1995 patch level 3 MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Initialization File... I transferred the patch files in "binary" mode originally, since I was concerned that it might need to be that way to perform the patch process. I guessed wrong. To help reduce this sort of problem in the future, I wonder if it might be a good idea to post a .zip archive of patches only, in addition to the unix format text files. The patches in the archive could be in the proper DOS format, as they are in the original distribution archive. I think if I had the choice to get one archive or the individual files, I would probably go for the archive. Are the .pch files used on any system other than DOS? C-Kermit is compiled, so patches wouldn't seem to be needed there. A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation, or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to look for one. Again thanks for the help. Kermit has always been a valuable resource to me, even from the earliest v2.26 (DOS) that I used. -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 02:24:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:12:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!aes From: aes@unlinfo.unl.edu (alan steinweis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: zmodem Date: 8 Feb 1995 02:24:00 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3h9a00$src@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo.unl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help me with a basic question? (The help desk at my system is not occupied at this hour, and the on-line documentation is not up-to-date.) What are the basic commands needed for preparing Unix to send/receive files using zmodem? I know I'm supposed to start with sz, but thereafter? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 8 03:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:30:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 03:30:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 7 Feb 1995 22:24:44 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 0 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 08:06:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:11:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:11:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Kermit is leaking Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3ggd7b$7km@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h6365$fsr@source.asset.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:06:33 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu weisek@source.asset.com (Kevin Weise) writes: | Sorry I didn't get in on the beginning of this thread, so I don't know | the execution environment. However, what it sounds like to me is PON | over POTS (i.e., plain ol' noise over plain old telephone service). Are | you using a modem and dialing over standard telephone lines? If so, it | must be noise (esp. if the modem is more than a few years old), and | Kermit is *not* the problem. More modern modems, esp. those with error- | correction, do a terrific job of cleaning that nasty noise up, but only | if they are talking with an equivalent error-correcting modem. If you | are using a PC on an Ethernet link (with or without a terminal server), | then I'm stumped as to what the problem could be. Well I switched back to kermit (188) and the problem went away. The problem only manifested itself on the "nn" newsreader anyway, so I thought maybe there was an incommpatibility. :( I am using the new USR 28.8 internal modem. Maybe that's the problem. :( Oh well. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 13:49:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:50:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:49:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: FAQ (was: Kermit patch level indication?) Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:49:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hai66$c9s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3grnfb$o5v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Jan27.211502.19910@lafn.org> <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb6.183614.24901@lafn.org>, Charles Lease wrote: >A FAQ file was mentioned. Is that a part of the "printed" documentation, >or is it available in on-line form? I haven't really seen a FAQ file for >Kermit, but I haven't really be searching for it either. Guess I need to >look for one. > It's online: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT or: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/e/faq.txt - Frank