From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 00:07:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:07:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:07:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 26 Jul 1995 00:07:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 88 Message-Id: <3v40vu$loq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: >>The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and >>other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. > To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem. However, > there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news > groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. > It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking > in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to > use an sz option to enable windows. Why does sz offer this > feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way? > Different philosophies regarding windowing and, for that matter, basic tuning defaults. Sometimes you need windows (small "w" :-). In the case you cite, it's because you need *some* reverse-channel activity to tickle your idle daemon. I think everybody understands by now, and Chuck will agree it is a fair statement, that ZMODEM is tuned, by default, for maximum speed, whereas C-Kermit is tuned, by default, for safety (robustness). Kermit, however, does not totally give up its robustness features when you tune it for speed, so it is not exactly accurate to say (not that anyone has, but I know you're all thinking it :-) that Kermit, thus tuned, is the same ZMODEM, any more than it is to say that ZMODEM, forced to use a window size and escape all control characters, is the same as Kermit. One of the big differences is in the windowing strategy. ZMODEM's is "go-back-to-n", Kermit's is "selective repeat". Go-back-to-n means, "if there is an error, go back to the spot where the error was detected and start over again from there". Selective repeat means, "if there is an error, retransmit only the piece that had the error". Go-back-to-n is more efficient as long as there are no errors, because, as Chuck implies, there is less bookkeeping involved. However, go-back-to-n is less efficient if it must recover from errors, especially when there is a long round-trip delay, because a lot more stuff is already in the pipe by the time the error is detected, and all of it must be sent again. However, both protocols work. I would say it is simply a matter of preference on the part of a well-informed user. Do you care more about getting the best speed on good connections, or getting good speed on ALL connections? (This is not to say that ZMODEM is necessarily faster than Kermit on good connections, but I think it can be demonstrated that ZMODEM's speed goes down much faster as the connection deteriorates than Kermit's does, and moreso if the connection has long round-trip delays.) >>time kermit -s b17mh.gif > tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might > account for some CPU power. At the least, you'd have a corrupted > gif file on the other end. > Actually, I think Chuck is pretty competent Kermit user :-) I'm sure he has binary mode and the various other performance options set in his initialization file. If you look at the elapsed times, they are not that different; I would classify them as neglible and not worth quibbling over. Kermit's CPU times are indeed higher, but who knows what Chuck's init file is doing. Maybe it's calculating Pi to a million digits (you can do that with Kermit's command language :-) (JUST KIDDING!) Chuck has made the point that Kermit has all this startup overhead that Professional-YAM(tm) doesn't have. What can I say, he's right. It's setting up dialing and services directories, defining all kinds of macros, and so on. These are convenience features that a lot of people need and depend on. It's nice to have them there. The "power user", of course, can bypass all that and go for the speed. Even then, I don't doubt that Chuck's code eats less CPU, even after we enter packet mode. That's because it doesn't do as much. Even when Kermit is not translating character sets, prefixing control characters, handling 8-bit characters on 7-bit links via single or locking shifts, etc, it still has to make those tests, and it still manages its window. Yes, I could put in some time on micro-optimizing the code to avoid these tests (generally at the penalty of increased code size), but the only case I heard of where the CPU utilization posed a problem was on a 10+-year-old MicroVAX that had a single-character-interrupt serial port and a very small memory, and in that case optimizing Kermit's "inner loop" would not have helped a bit. Anyway, if we were all so concerned about conserving scarce CPU cycles, we would not all be rushing install the latest graphical operating system on our PCs :-) Hmmm... wait, now I think I'm beginning to see Chuck's subtle point... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 17:30:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:58:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 20:58:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.erinet.com!pagesat.net!a3bsrv.nai.net!a3bbak!wa1hoz From: wa1hoz@a3bbak.nai.net (Gerry Belanger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bin Hex: what is it? Date: 25 Jul 1995 17:30:03 GMT Organization: North American Internet Company Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3v39mr$ik6@a3bsrv.nai.net> References: <3v26bk$kpv@news.pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: wlfd-sh.nai.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ray Pendergast (rayp@pacifier.com) wrote: : I received a program through email that I downloaded to my PC using : Eudora. It was broken into 12 parts and requires Bin Hex decoding or : something. What is that and how do I do it? I checked out all of the : pull-down menus and couldn't find anything to help me. I usually don't : use Eudora, I prefer Pine. This is one of the reasons... The home of BINHEX is boombox.micro.umn.edu. Gopher access is preferred, but ftp works. Version 4.0 is for Macs, Version 1.3 is for DOS. -- Gerry Belanger, WA1HOZ wa1hoz@a3bbak.nai.net Newtown, CT g.belanger@ieee.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 18:14:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:57:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 21:57:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 25 Jul 1995 18:14:23 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3v3c9v$ga3@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold To: scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Scott) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In article <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> you wrote: : I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get : long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very : aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the : suggestions there to work. Please help! To go from DOS <-> UNIX, you very likely need a customized file, mscustom.ini, copied to your UNIX directory as .kermrc With some care, the same file can be used on both systems. The UNIX version also has to be 188 or higher. Lacking a .kermrc on the UNIX side, you will be stuck with non-optimal, but reliable, settings. A copy of mine follows by email... -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 03:09:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:34:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29044 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Jul 1995 22:34:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!almach.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 25 Jul 1995 11:09 PST Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <25JUL199511095397@almach.caltech.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: almach.krl.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, claude@nickel.laurentian.ca writes... > > We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems >to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. > > We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. Does >anyone have a solution for this ? > > Thanks in advance for the info. > > Claude. > I'm a bit confused by your post. Did you perhaps leave out the vital phrase "MS-DOS"? If so, the code which does the switching to 132 columns is dependent on the video hardware. The hardware (graphics adapter *and* monitor) need to support 132 column modes, first of all. Then you need to put your "custom" hook to switch to 132 columns in the file COLS132.BAT. At one time, most video cards came with documentation and a floppy disk containing a utility that would let you change modes. Unfortunately, in the currently enlightened age of generic hardware that often doesn't come with a manual or any documentation (much less a brand name!), you may just be left out in the cold. If this was the case, go back to the people who sold you the card and if you're lucky they might know how to switch video modes. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 25 14:16:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 02:02:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 02:02:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!hillae!tan From: tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) Subject: Re: how do I specify a port number to kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Hill Arts & Entertainment Systems, Inc. Guildford, Connecticut References: <3v1c3a$4d7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 14:16:40 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v1c3a$4d7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , Tan Bronson wrote: >>I'd like to connect to a given port of a terminal server. >>I see how to specific the address (set host xxx), >>but how do I specify the port-number? >> > [...] > 2. Type "help". This would have led you to "help set host". I tried, but you'll see that the port_number is not mentioned: C-Kermit>help set host Syntax: SET HOST hostname-or-number Select a network host. Use this command instead of SET LINE. After SET HOST give the host name or number. TCP/IP Examples: SET HOST watsun.cc.columbia.edu SET HOST 128.59.39.2 > 3. Use the "?" feature of the command parser: > > C-Kermit>set host ? IP host name or number > C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu ? Port number > C-Kermit>set host foo.bar.baz.edu 2000 > >Hey, the syntax is just like Telnet :-) Thanks for the response! From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 14:28:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 10:29:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 10:28:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 26 Jul 1995 14:28:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3v5jf0$24l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3v3c9v$ga3@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v3c9v$ga3@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: >In article <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> you wrote: > >: I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get >: long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very >: aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the >: suggestions there to work. Please help! > >To go from DOS <-> UNIX, you very likely need a customized file, >mscustom.ini, copied to your UNIX directory as .kermrc > >With some care, the same file can be used on both systems. >The UNIX version also has to be 188 or higher. >Lacking a .kermrc on the UNIX side, you will be stuck with non-optimal, but >reliable, settings. > Thanks, Clarence. But I don't want people to be left with the mistaken impression that the only way to configure Kermit is with a mysterious external file (like WIN.INI, etc, for Windows). Kermit initialization files contain ordinary Kermit commands that can be typed by anybody at any time. The ones that we distribute contain reasonable values, i.e. values that should work for everybody "out of the box". Here are a couple rules of thumb we have developed over the years: 1. You should not change your MSKERMIT.INI or CKERMIT.INI or .kermrc file from the standard, distributed one unless you REALLY know what you are doing. Otherwise it's impossible to answer your questions, address your problems, etc. 2. Make all your desired customizations in the MSCUSTOM.INI or CKERMOD.INI or .mykermrc file. Customizations relating to protocol parameters (packet lengths, window sizes, and particularly control-character unprefixing) should not be made without some understanding of what you are doing. If these speedups were safe for everybody, believe me, we'd make them standard defaults and avoid the "Kermit is too slow" discussions. Nothing would be easier than for us to make: SET WINDOW 30 SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 5000 SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL the defaults for everybody. Unfortunately, many of our computers and connections are not up to handling protocol defaults beyond the ones that we already have, and transfers would fail for lots of people. But don't worry, you don't have to stay up all night cramming in order to make Kermit go fast. Try this instead: at the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or C-Kermit 5A(190) prompt, simply type: FAST Do this on both ends, assuming you have one of these programs on each end (these are the current versions). Now try to transfer a file. If it works, and it works without lots of errors (retransmissions), then you're done. Otherwise, you'll have to do a little studying -- but in that case, would also have had to do a little studying with any other protocol too, because it probably would not have worked on this connection either. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 15:11:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19733 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:38:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Jul 1995 11:38:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!gatech!purdue!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!not-for-mail From: fnyman@nova.umuc.edu (Fredrik Nyman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit killer text Date: 26 Jul 1995 11:11:59 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When running MS-Kermit (3.14 pl 0) in vt300 mode, displaying the text in the subject line below *will* cause the emulator to lock up. In vt100 mode, it's fine. Does anyone have an explanation? Thanks, Fredrik Subject: Re: Space Q{?b9:g)=N0?%/Io AR[=UM Av]=_o]hXZv$`4@auest 6 -- Fredrik Nyman CACI 1120 G Street NW Suite 1000 Washington, DC 20005 "The Internet, for the uninitiated, is a collection of computer systems at universities, nonprofit research groups, the federal government, and some obscure businesses--all traditional hotbeds of hip, right?" SPY 8/94 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 13:49:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:35:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:35:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!utcsri!utnut!torn!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 27 Jul 1995 13:49:41 GMT From: MaryStone0@aol.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <950726173052_41373953@aol.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <950726173052_41373953@aol.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950727.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 13:39:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:55:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:55:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!mojo.eng.umd.edu!cwmills.umd.edu!not-for-mail From: gdead@Glue.umd.edu (Alan Neustadtl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with input statement in a script file Date: 27 Jul 1995 09:39:55 -0400 Organization: Project Glue, University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cwmills.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu *** Somewhat long post because session log is included *** Okay kermit gurus.....I am using ckermit for os/2 and attempting to automate a login to our university annex server. I am trying to use the input statement to "look" for the typical Username:, Password: strings. Here is the problem. Our annex server blasts out so much of a message, I think, that the input buffer becomes overloaded. I have done a few things: 1) logged in with debug to look for hidden characters, 2) checked \v(input), \v(inchar), and \(incount). The input statement I use is: input 30 Username: Here is what my server is blasting out after the modem connects (prefaced with > for clarity): >Annex Command Line Interpreter * Copyright 1991 Xylogics, Inc. > >Checking authorization, Please wait... >Attached to annex8/29 > >A WAM username and password are required for access to this modem pool. >Use xxx-xxxx for non authenticated access. Contact the CSC Consulting Lab >in the CSS Bldg, room 3326 or call 405-1500 for more information. > >WAM/Annex Username: And, here are the contents of various memory variables: >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(input) >326 or call 405-1500 for more information. > >WAM/Annex Username:ed to annex8/19 > >A WAM username and password are required for access to this modem pool. >Use 403-4333 for non authenticated access. Contact the CSC Consulting Lab >in the CSS Bldg, room 3 >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(inchar) > >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit>echo \v(incount) >1 >[D:\DESKTOP1] C-Kermit> The \v(inchar) appears to be a null or blank. Any suggestions about how to further debug this problem or any solutions to try? Best, Alan Alan Neustadtl Department of Sociology University of Maryland College Park, MD 20742 ALAN@BSS1.UMD.EDU From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 14:42:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:28:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:28:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.seinf.abb.se!nooft.abb.no!Norway.EU.net!nac.no!nntp.uio.no!news.vu.lt!santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt!taluri From: taluri@tauras.vu.lt (Evaldas Taluri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using ZMODEM protocol with kermit Date: 27 Jul 1995 14:42:59 GMT Organization: LITNET Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3v88lj$9n0@tauras.vu.lt> References: <3ttr8v$aci@nlrgup.nlr.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of the possibilities is that kermit is set to 7 bit chars. Try make kermit transparent to 8 bit chars with set file type binary, set char-set transparent and similar commands. berg m. van den (mvdberg@nlr.nl) wrote: > Hello I'm using ckermit5A(190) on a unix system. This system also > has rz for zmodem protocol. According to file ckurzsz.ini it is > possible to use that program. So I "take" this ini file before > connecting to the BBS. On the BBS I give the command to download > a file with the ZMODEM protocol (this BBS doesn't support kermit). > After starting the transfer I return to the local kermit and enter > the rz command. This is what happens: > C-Kermit>rz > rz ready. To begin transfer, type "sz file ..." to your modem program > Incoming: flora.zip 88599 5377444470 100400 > Receiving flora.zip BIN w > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Bad CRC > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > Retry 0: Garbage count exceeded > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > 0 ZMODEM CRC-32 Retry 0: Data subpacket too long > C-Kermit> > You see nothing is to be transferred. What is wrong ? > What kind of configuration should I use? > BTW. I connect to this BBS via telnet to an outcall modem > connected at a cisco 500-cs. > Greetings, > Meindert van den Berg. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 15:49:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:34:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 12:34:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!dkuug!Norway.EU.net!nac.no!nntp.uio.no!news.vu.lt!santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt!taluri From: taluri@tauras.vu.lt (Evaldas Taluri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using ZMODEM protocol with kermit Date: 27 Jul 1995 15:49:19 GMT Organization: LITNET Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3v8chv$9n0@tauras.vu.lt> Nntp-Posting-Host: santaka.sc-uni.ktu.lt X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 15:44:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:03:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:03:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 27 Jul 1995 15:44:13 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3v8c8d$1hg@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs1.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, wrote: >We have many users who log into our main system using Kermit and all seems >to work ok but for a few who need to have the full 132 column on their screen. >We have tried several diffecrent options and the most we can get is 128. >Does anyone have a solution for this ? Well, assuming you've modified the cols80.bat and cols132.bat files according to the instructions (this requires device-dependent programs. probably not something you want to impliment unless your users have identical video cards), the command: set terminal compressed-text text will force kermit to use the batch files to switch text mode to 132 columns. If this is not used, Kermit assumes that you want the graphics monitor to emulate 132 column text. The emulation only allows for 128 columns, though, so you'll lose the last 4 cols. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP public key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 05:44:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:38:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 18:38:04 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!bb324 From: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Subject: problem with ckermit using a vax Message-Id: Sender: bb324@freenet.carleton.ca (Chris Benjamin) Reply-To: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 05:44:47 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu okay, i dont know a whole lot about kermit at all. At my school, they run vax/vms and it has ckermit. I wrote a .ini file to run while entering ckermit to make it supposedly run better, but its still really slow. ive got set file type image set packet length 80 i think something about recieve packet lenght and the set bytesize 8 what sort of configuration would give me the most efficent downloading? any help would be great. thanks. if you oculd email me that would be great! chris -- I have found my calling in life. I am to be teh next Batman evil villian. My name you ask? Well, get this. I have dice, playing cards, a visor, and occasionally play the lottery. Who else would I be other than...... ========================>>> ThE GaMbLeR!! <<============================ Sorry to rain on the parade, but I'm getting a little sick of your self-absorbed postings. Is there a problem here? I know all about sz (and ZMODEM), etc., but what I need is a reliable telnet (or telecom) access to a file server, with an easy way to get the file server data back to my machine. Kermit 3.14 does that for me and more! Why are you so engrossed with nano-second differences between Kermit and ZMODEM; don't you see that they're both useful additions to the General Let's-Get-It of Life? Oh, well, feel free to flame me, but I'm just not that interested in ways to keep yourself alive via the i-net. Come on, let's see how we can *co-operate*, shall we? Best, Jay Jay Daly jay@bih.harvard.edu QuickDOC 45A Mason Terrace Phone: (617) 734-0918 Brookline, MA 02146 Fax: (617) 734-3154 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 23:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07464 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:40:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:40:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with ckermit using a vax Date: 27 Jul 1995 23:40:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3v984m$eq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Benjamin wrote: : : okay, i dont know a whole lot about kermit at all. At my school, they run : vax/vms and it has ckermit. I wrote a .ini file to run while entering : ckermit to make it supposedly run better, but its still really slow. : ive got set file type image : set packet length 80 i think : something about recieve packet lenght and the set bytesize 8 : : what sort of configuration would give me the most efficent downloading? : any help would be great. thanks. if you oculd email me that would be great! : chris : Since this is such a frequently asked question, it is featured prominently in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 20:05:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 04:56:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 04:56:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!ftpbox!mothost!mdisea!mmddvan!usenet From: Mike Kreykenbohm Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit between Linux and wood working equipment Date: 26 Jul 1995 20:05:38 GMT Organization: Motorola - Wireless Data Group; Richmond, BC Lines: 19 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3v676i$5jp@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: df16h.mdd.comm.mot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3C sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am working at establishing a server on Linux that is capable to handle a Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling equipment as a Kermit client. The equipment interfaces to MS-DOS Kermit without problems, but I am unable to get it to read or write files to the Kermit Server on Linux correctly. 2 problems: 1) the drilling machine executes the command /bin/ls .\*.ATR when it is in unix mode (Yes the slash is backwards) and linux can not find any appropriate files. The machine works fine in Dos mode with a Dos server. 2) Files sent by the drill to the Linux server have the correct name, but the file contains many character zeros, some correct data. The manuacturer of the drill equipment says I should be using a DOS compatible version of kermit version 3.1 . Does anyone know the settings that would make the server work the same as a DOS server. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 23:43:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:31:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 08:30:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:43:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Lines: 76 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) wrote: > >>The complexity of the Kermit protocol with its window management and >>other features exacts a penalty in CPU resources. > > To be perfectly honest, I'm not familiar with zmodem. However, > there was quite a bit of discussion in one of our ISP-local news > groups about disconnects at 10 minutes during transfers using sz. > It was reasoned that 10 minutes indicated the idle daemon kicking > in and logging out sessions, and the solution was found to be to > use an sz option to enable windows. Why does sz offer this > feature, if it's known to be detrimental in some way? This question isn't relevant to the question of CPU loading. Controlling the ZMODEM window with the sz -w option is exactly that! An option. It can be used to enforce a high level flow control when lower levels of flow control are not set properly. It cal also be used to generate activity on the reverse channel to prevent idleout programs from fragging the transfer. It is not the default because it can reduce throughput in some situations. > >> Let's compare sz >>(a link to Unix Professional-YAM) and CKermit 5a 190: >> >>(38kb direct connect) >> >>ls -l *gif >>-rw-r--r-- 1 caf omen 352650 Feb 8 1992 b17mh.gif > > Um, perhaps Frank may comment on the validity of the rest of your > test, but > >>time kermit -s b17mh.gif > > tells Kermit to do newline and charset translations, which might > account for some CPU power. At the least, you'd have a corrupted > gif file on the other end. > > I think the command you wanted was 'kermit -s b17mh.gif -i'. > > Also, did you have control character unprefixing set up for > C-Kermit? Excessive prefixing may also account for some CPU time. I used the same very aggressively optimized .kermrc file I used for the Protocol Shootout. It is more aggressive (when sending to ZCOMM or Professional-YAM) than MSKermit allows. It also disables Kermit's default file corruption transfer mode. > >>The files were received by a 32 bit beta test version of Professional-YAM > > Does this software not tell the user whether the file transfer is > taking place in BINARY or TEXT mode? (If it does Kermit transfers, > does it not process file attributes packets?) MS-Kermit puts the > transfer mode right up there on the screen, so if the transfer is > accidently started in the wrong mode, the user may observe that and > restart. The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without translation. Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature automatic Kermit downloads. In fact these programs are so quick they often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit. Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 13:35:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:35:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:35:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit between Linux and wood working equipment Date: 28 Jul 1995 13:35:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3vap2r$n0e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3v676i$5jp@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v676i$5jp@mmddvan.mdd.comm.mot.com>, Mike Kreykenbohm wrote: : I am working at establishing a server on Linux that is capable to handle : a Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling equipment as a Kermit client. The equipment : interfaces to MS-DOS Kermit without problems, but I am unable to get it : to read or write files to the Kermit Server on Linux correctly. : : 2 problems: : 1) the drilling machine executes the command /bin/ls .\*.ATR when it : is in unix mode (Yes the slash is backwards) and linux can not find any : appropriate files. The machine works fine in Dos mode with a Dos server. : Backslash (\) is a special character to C-Kermit. Try: /bin/ls .\\*.ATR or /bin/ls .\{92}*.ATR : 2) Files sent by the drill to the Linux server have the correct name, but : the file contains many character zeros, some correct data. : Either your Multi bore Wood Panel Drilling Kermit client is faulty, or the original file does not contain what you think it contains, or you are transferring the file in binary mode instead of text more or vice versa. : The manuacturer of the drill equipment says I should be using a DOS : compatible version of kermit version 3.1 . : : Does anyone know the settings that would make the server work the same : as a DOS server. : You will have to provide more details: settings, packet logs, etc. Send them to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 14:09:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:09:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:09:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 28 Jul 1995 14:09:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 86 Message-Id: <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >I used the same very aggressively optimized .kermrc file I used >for the Protocol Shootout. It is more aggressive (when sending >to ZCOMM or Professional-YAM) than MSKermit allows. > Just as I said in my response to the same posting. >It also disables Kermit's default file corruption transfer mode. > My goodness, what a terrible thing to say. Everybody knows that, because of differences in text-file format among different computers, that when transferring files between unlike systems (or, more precisely, systems that have different text-file formats), one must choose between text and binary mode. In other words, binary mode (= "No Presentation Layer") works for all files only when: (a) The two systems have the same text-file format (e.g. stream LF, stream CRLF, stream CR), and then (usually) only when the files are stream, rather than record oriented, and: (b) Character-set conversion is not required. Therefore, when conditions (a) and (b) are not met, one must pick text or binary mode for each file transfer in order to avoid corruption. And that implies that, for convenience, one must also have a default mode to be used in the absence of a specific directive from the user. The rub, of course, is that any given default will not fit every file transfer. For X/Y/ZMODEM, the default is binary, which can corrupt text files. For Kermit and FTP the default is text, which can corrupt binary files. It is a sad fact that ordinary users must know about matters such as these, but it is nevertheless a fact. Kermit's default dates back to the old days when most file transfers did, indeed, involve moving text between unlike systems. This is not the kind of default that one changes lightly, as we can see from FTP, which has been using the same default for over 20 years. However, any Kermit user can change Kermit's default mode by putting the command, SET FILE TYPE BINARY, in their Kermit initialization file. Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question: WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past 15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all else, and... WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... WHEREAS it is still, to this day, impossible in most cases for software to determine by examining a file's characteristics whether it is a text or binary file (a notable exception being VMS), and therefore to switch into the appropriate mode automatically, ... WHEREAS, as Chuck correctly points out, it is possible (though often difficult) to correct the format of a text file transferred in binary mode but it is impossible to fix a binary file transferred in text mode, therefore: BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary file-transfer mode by default. Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users? If so, we'll make this change. It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1" and recompile :-) My thanks to Chuck for bringing this issue to the fore at this very appropriate time. >The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without >translation. Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature >automatic Kermit downloads. In fact these programs are so quick they >often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit. > >Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit >implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will >appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs. > I'm perfectly willing to believe that you have produced excellent Kermit implementations, Chuck. You are one of the few remaining members of a dying breed that is dedicated to producing high-quality work rather than glossy, slick, superficial trash. You can quote me on that :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 16:55:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:55:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:55:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Text vs binary (was Re: Kermit download from...) Date: 28 Jul 1995 16:55:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3vb4pa$8q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >However, any Kermit user can change Kermit's default mode by putting the >command, SET FILE TYPE BINARY, in their Kermit initialization file. I think that covers it. >Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question: > > WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past > 15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost > uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all > else, and... Well, not quite. > WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type > of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... Oh, I get it. This was intended as tongue-in-cheek? > BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary > file-transfer mode by default. I think you can predict my vote on such a resolution. Defaults need to be stable. The diverse mix of computers is still out there. Let's not get carried away. John Chandler author of Kermit-370 user of a diverse mix of computers From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 03:18:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:48:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:48:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux4.cso.uiuc.edu!scallon From: scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Brendan J. F. Scallon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: HELP: sz/rz on kermit Date: 27 Jul 1995 03:18:39 GMT Organization: Society for the Promotion of Cruelty to Anglos Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3v70if$r8s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux4.cso.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3291 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:5341 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit. I am having trouble with running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it like defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00 but it will not run. -- Brendan John Francis Scallon When it comes to the net, I'm scallon@students.uiuc.edu similar to the thrilla in Manila Race: Other__Celtic__ http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~scallon From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 09:47:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:00:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:00:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Message-Id: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jul 95 15:47:24 MDT References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> ... >> As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit >>protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies >>remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible >>with the oldest Kermits. > > Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not > understand besides how to do valid benchmarks. Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. Stop and reread my paragraph above more carefully. What you did, according to your paragraph below, was swipe code from C Kermit having that ancient Source stuff. You could have done what I did, implement the protocol fresh and cleanly. The spec is the same. If you still have trouble implementing the Kermit protocol then we are happy to clarify details, but we don't write the code for other vendors. Joe D. > Except for some very early versions, the Kermit support in Omen > Technology's Professional-YAM and ZCOMM comms programs has been > based on the "The Source" code, the last Columbia Kermit source > code made available to developers. Needless to say this code > has been extensively revised since then to fix bugs, enhance > performance and support various host systems. Newer Kermit > programs break Kermit spoofing in Telebit modems. They also > required modification to Yam's Kermit support which depended on > the 198x Kermit protocol. > > -- > Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 > Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" > Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ > TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 09:57:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:01:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:01:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit killer text Message-Id: <1995Jul28.155728.57421@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jul 95 15:57:28 MDT References: <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu>, fnyman@nova.umuc.edu (Fredrik Nyman) writes: > When running MS-Kermit (3.14 pl 0) in vt300 mode, displaying the text > in the subject line below *will* cause the emulator to lock up. > > In vt100 mode, it's fine. > > Does anyone have an explanation? > > Thanks, > > Fredrik > > Subject: Re: Space ------- Under what conditions did it occur? We cannot see the binary values because Mail/News often does not preserve them (is not 8-bit clean). However, taking a guess, the string probably containts 8-bit control codes which require no action at the "terminal" until an ST control code is received to terminate them. Those would be standards defined control codes. It's in the Kermit manual. The quick cure is to press ALT = to perform a terminal reset. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 13:01:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:46:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 22:46:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 13:01:02 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > ... > As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit >protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies >remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible >with the oldest Kermits. Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not understand besides how to do valid benchmarks. Except for some very early versions, the Kermit support in Omen Technology's Professional-YAM and ZCOMM comms programs has been based on the "The Source" code, the last Columbia Kermit source code made available to developers. Needless to say this code has been extensively revised since then to fix bugs, enhance performance and support various host systems. Newer Kermit programs break Kermit spoofing in Telebit modems. They also required modification to Yam's Kermit support which depended on the 198x Kermit protocol. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 08:04:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 04:25:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 04:25:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!news From: Jack.Bowling@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Bowling) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 29 Jul 1995 08:04:12 GMT Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3vcq1s$fij@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jcbowling@mindlink.bc.ca (Jack Bowling) Nntp-Posting-Host: line008.pg.mindlink.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >Nevertheless, perhaps it is now appropriate for me to put the question: > > WHEREAS the computing landscape has changed dramatically in the past > 15 years, from a rich and diverse mixture of systems to the almost > uniform dominance of PCs with DOS and Windows to the exlusion of all > else, and... > > WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type > of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... > > WHEREAS it is still, to this day, impossible in most cases for software > to determine by examining a file's characteristics whether it is a text > or binary file (a notable exception being VMS), and therefore to switch > into the appropriate mode automatically, ... > > WHEREAS, as Chuck correctly points out, it is possible (though often > difficult) to correct the format of a text file transferred in binary > mode but it is impossible to fix a binary file transferred in text > mode, therefore: > > BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary > file-transfer mode by default. > >Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users? If so, we'll make >this change. It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1" >and recompile :-) > >My thanks to Chuck for bringing this issue to the fore at this very >appropriate time. > >>The default for Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is to transfer files without >>translation. Professional-YAM and ZCOMM Kermit transfers feature >>automatic Kermit downloads. In fact these programs are so quick they >>often beat MSKermit on downloads from Unix CKermit. >> >>Despite Frank and Joe's expressed enthusiasm for quality Kermit >>implmentations, I rather doubt that ZCOMM and Professional-YAM will >>appear in any Columbia University list of efficient Kermit programs. >> >I'm perfectly willing to believe that you have produced excellent Kermit >implementations, Chuck. You are one of the few remaining members of a >dying breed that is dedicated to producing high-quality work rather than >glossy, slick, superficial trash. You can quote me on that :-) > >- Frank Would not matter to me as long as the change is noted in the docs. Keep up the great work! Jack From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 16:02:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 07:04:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 07:04:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.spacecom.com!news From: Jharrell@uvsg.com (Jeff Harrell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit for MPE xi Date: 28 Jul 1995 16:02:11 GMT Organization: Superstar Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3vb1m3$n68@ds9.spacecom.com> Reply-To: jharrell@uvsg.com Nntp-Posting-Host: jharrell.uvsg.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I can find kermit, zmodem or xmodem for MPE xi ? Regards, Jeff W. Harrell jharrell@uvsg.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 08:59:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:41:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:41:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!utcvm.utc.edu!KCHEN From: KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with modem setup in Kermit! Date: Wed, 26 Jul 95 12:59:46 EDT Organization: The University of Tennessee, Chattanooga Lines: 15 Message-Id: <173E7B6C2S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utcvm.utc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello to all! I've a question which I've no answer nor explanation of, and would like to ask some of you for an opinion! Here it is: I've a 28,800 bps V.34 modem, and I tried to connect to my account at UTCVM with supports up to 9600 bps. The thing is, I can connect to it fine with 2400 bps connection, however, every time I try to connect through a higher baud rate (4800, 9600, etc) my modem just spits a "CONNECT 9600" message, and Kermit just freezes! It's very frustrating, and I hope some of you can give me a word of enlightening! Thanx!! Kuan Chen kchen@utcvm.utc.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 15:49:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 08:43:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!news.rlcn.rl.af.mil!news From: Mark S Reichman Subject: kermit while using IBM DOS/drop carrier problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1995Jul28.154921.15312@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil> Sender: news@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: lg18.do.rl.af.mil Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Rome Laboratory Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:49:21 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does kermit work with IBM DOS. I keep droppeing carrier when dialing through a modem. I connect and get a # sign, then some randowm Hiroglyphics and then drop carrier. Other terminal emulations software connects ok. What up? From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 17:15:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 09:32:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 09:31:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!athos.cc.bellcore.com!cc!wws From: wws@cc.bellcore.com (Wayne Scott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PPP or Slip & Kermit ??? Date: 28 Jul 1995 17:15:23 GMT Organization: Bellcore/SCP (2561) Lines: 14 Sender: wws%microjet@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Wayne Scott) Distribution: world Message-Id: <3vb5vb$qqu@athos.cc.bellcore.com> Reply-To: wws@cc.bellcore.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.96.142.109 X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks: This may be a naive quesiton, but, is there a way to establish SLIP or PPP sessions using Kermit on a SUN Solaris 2.3 (SPARC 5) system? If so, does it allow one to interface with SecurID prompts? I've poked around an FAQ and recent Kermit literature, but ... Thanks, Wayne ---------------------------------------------- wws@cc.bellcore.com I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, Oh Lord, please don't let me be misunderstood. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 19:38:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:24:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 15:24:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!io.UWinnipeg.ca!clark From: Jim Clark Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple Connects to Same Port Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:38:32 -0500 Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 25 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Is it possible to make multiple connects to the same port (logging in to different accounts on same machine) without going through the set port tcp address repeating address each time and picking the N(ew) option when prompted by Kermit? I was looking/experimenting for something whereby one could just indicate that the current and/or next connect would be a new one. Related question is whether one can select specified connection once multiple connects have been made or must cycle through the connections with the n method? Best wishes Jim **************************************************************************** James M. Clark (204) 786-9313 Department of Psychology (204) 786-1824 Fax University of Winnipeg clark@uwinnipeg.ca Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 4L02A CANADA **************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 10:18:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:55:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:55:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple Connects to Same Port Message-Id: <1995Jul29.161817.57488@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jul 95 16:18:17 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Clark writes: > Hi > > Is it possible to make multiple connects to the same port (logging in to > different accounts on same machine) without going through the > > set port tcp address > > repeating address each time and picking the N(ew) option when prompted by > Kermit? I was looking/experimenting for something whereby one could just > indicate that the current and/or next connect would be a new one. > > Related question is whether one can select specified connection once > multiple connects have been made or must cycle through the connections > with the n method? ------------- SET PORT TCP is often encapsulated in macro TELNET as def telnet set port tcp \%1 \%2 The second argument is for a port number (default 23, Telnet) and can also be N for New session. Telnet thatplace n. SHOW SESSION will show active and remembered sessions, then telnet or set port tcp works when the digit picks the session number from Show Session. It's in the release docs. Otherwise there is no syntax to say start a new session to the same place (as there may be several "same places" active on the session list). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 10:21:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 18:56:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out) Message-Id: <1995Jul29.162138.57490@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Jul 95 16:21:38 MDT References: <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net>, RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) writes: > We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a > modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line. Does anybody know how to tell > kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?). Any help > would be appreciated. ----------- There isn't an Int 14h protocol, to use the words precisely. There are a number of interfaces which use Int 14h and different command sets. MSK supports several and the two of interest to you are probably SET PORT BIOS for IBM PC Bios serial cmds, SET PORT 3COM(BAPI) for BAPI. It's in the manual. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 00:09:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 21:27:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 21:27:18 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 00:09:05 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >> In article <1995Jul23.093017.56880@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>> ... >>> As Frank explained, the external protocol specification (the Kermit >>>protocol) remains consistent over time and internal implementation stragegies >>>remain internal. Enhancements to the Kermit protocol are backward compatible >>>with the oldest Kermits. >> >> Apparently there are things about Kermit Frank does not >> understand besides how to do valid benchmarks. > > Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. >It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. > Stop and reread my paragraph above more carefully. > What you did, according to your paragraph below, was swipe >code from C Kermit having that ancient Source stuff. You could have >done what I did, implement the protocol fresh and cleanly. The spec is >the same. Talk about slamming people in public! Doupnik's claim that I *SWIPED* (as in stole) code from C Kermit is an unfounded, scurrilous libel on my honesty and business ethics. I demand an immediate public retraction and apology. The Kermit support in Professional-YAM and ZCOMM is based on the SuperKermit "The Source" code which, in fact, I helped develop. Despite Frank's attempted revision of historical fact, this code was offered royalty-free to developers of general purpose comms programs to entice them to add SuperKermit to their products. > If you still have trouble implementing the Kermit protocol then >we are happy to clarify details, but we don't write the code for >other vendors. > Joe D. As Doupnik conveniently forgets, it was a problem with Columbia Kermit, not Professional-YAM, that started this thread. And, yes Joe, there was a change in the Kermit spec. The original Kermit spec called for quoting of *all* control characters. Professional-YAM customers were having problems downloading from certain systems that were inserting control characters into Kermit packets. So I modified the Kermit code in Professional-YAM to ignore out of spec control characters within Kermit packets, and the customers were able to use Kermit in their environment. It shouldn't take a protocol wizard to realize how Franks' recent changes to Kermit would break code that was written to the older Kermit spec. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 29 00:30:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:30:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Jul 1995 22:30:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!fox.almaden.ibm.com!garlic.com!garlic.com!not-for-mail From: chrisj@tufted.puffin.com (Chris Jewell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm Subject: MacKermit throughput Followup-To: poster Date: 28 Jul 1995 17:30:06 -0700 Organization: Chris & Jan's house, Hollister CA Lines: 29 Sender: chrisj@garlic.com Message-Id: <3vbvee$q7g@garlic.com> Reply-To: chrisj@tufted.puffin.com (Chris Jewell) Nntp-Posting-Host: loopback.garlic.com Summary: Is MacKermit tuneable for optimum throughput? Keywords: MacKermit throughput tuning Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3304 comp.sys.mac.comm:116477 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Someone has recommended that my employer and a customer use MacKermit to transfer files between a pair of distant Macs via modem. I recall that early implementations of Kermit suffered from performance problems due to packet-size restrictions and the like. From time to time, I have seen Frank da Cruz assert (without contradiction except perhaps from Chuck Forsberg ) that complaints about Kermit performance result from using commercial commware that contains old, out-of-date implementations of the protocol, or from failure to adjust the setup to take advantage of 8-bit channels, large packets, etc., and that anyone using the current production releases of the Columbia U. programs C-Kermit and MS-KERMIT should be able to obtain something close to the bandwidth limit on Kermit transfers, provided they pay attention to tuning. Can anyone tell me whether the currently available MacKermit has an up-to-date protocol engine in it, and thus is tunable to near-optimum throughput, or whether it contains one of those old, inescapably slow implementations? I'm perfectly happy to drum up a couple of registration payments for ZTerm or whatever and use Zmodem protocol if MacKermit is slow, but if MacKermit performs well I'm also perfectly happy to recommend that we use it: all I need is a little information. Email and I'll summarize to save bandwidth. For those whose R keys don't work (or who don't like to use them), I'll also watch netnews for followups. Thank you. -- Chris Jewell chrisj@puffin.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 05:27:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:40:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:40:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!btnet!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 05:27:55 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vea9l$b7n@Venus.mcs.com> Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vea9l$b7n@Venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > ... >> WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type >> of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... > >Unfortunately, GIF and JPEG files are more portable than text these days. That's because so many "text" files are not quite ANSI files with formats of their own. Perhaps we should not call a file a text file unless it only contains printable characters, with a maximum 80 or 132 line width, and no control characters other than CR/LF (or NL) and TAB. The more one objects to this definition the more one proves the point. Perhaps the future lines in programs that accept either text format, including most C compilers, less, and the Stevie editor for DOS. (Oh yes, and the Professional-YAM script interpreter!) Do people have problems with FTP's file corruption mode default? In many situations it's not the default. When it was, as when FTP-ing new Chicago builds from Microsoft's NT server, it caused its share of grief. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 28 21:51:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 02:14:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 02:14:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!usenet From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 21:51:10 GMT Organization: INS Information Services, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s3212.netins.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line. Does anybody know how to tell kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?). Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Rick Luhman From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 13:05:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:18:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:18:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!arrakis!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 30 Jul 95 13:05:49 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 10 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: arrakis.cc.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a (legal) mirror site of kermit.columbia.edu? I am trying to get kermit source, but the site is unreachable from me. Thanks. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support/Administrator - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 14:47:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:47:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:47:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with modem setup in Kermit! Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:47:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3vg61r$pq0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <173E7B6C2S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <173E7B6C2S86.KCHEN@utcvm.utc.edu>, wrote: : I've a question which I've no answer nor explanation of, and : would like to ask some of you for an opinion! : : Here it is: I've a 28,800 bps V.34 modem, and I tried to connect : to my account at UTCVM with supports up to 9600 bps. The thing : is, I can connect to it fine with 2400 bps connection, however, : every time I try to connect through a higher baud rate (4800, 9600, etc) : my modem just spits a "CONNECT 9600" message, and Kermit just : freezes! It's very frustrating, and I hope some of you can give : me a word of enlightening! Thanx!! : You should approach your own tech support people at UTCVM first. They know the setup, the people on the net don't. If they are providing you with Kermit software, then they definitely should also provide the support. Then, if they have questions, they can come to the central Kermit help desk. Everybody's time is used much more efficiently that way. Also, you did not provide any information about what kind of computer you are using, which operating system, or which Kermit program and version. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 14:49:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:50:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:50:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit while using IBM DOS/drop carrier problem Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:49:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <3vg66i$pri@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Jul28.154921.15312@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul28.154921.15312@news.rlcn.rl.af.mil>, Mark S Reichman wrote: : Does kermit work with IBM DOS. I keep droppeing carrier : when dialing through a modem. I connect and get a # sign, : then some randowm Hiroglyphics and then drop carrier. : Other terminal emulations software connects ok. What up? : Kermit works fine with PC DOS. The current version is 3.14. If you install it properly and read the directions, you should not have any problems. If, after doing so, then get back with some specifics. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is available as follows: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 14:52:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:52:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:52:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit for MPE xi Date: 30 Jul 1995 14:52:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3vg6bv$ptt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vb1m3$n68@ds9.spacecom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MPE, HP-3000 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vb1m3$n68@ds9.spacecom.com>, Jeff Harrell wrote: >Does anyone know where I can find kermit, zmodem or xmodem for MPE xi ? > I don't know about Zmodem, but Kermit software is available for the HP-3000 series with MPE via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/d, text mode, files hp3*.*. I don't know what MPE xi is, but if it is only a new version of MPE, then, hopefully, these versions (which are less than two years old) whould work OK. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 15:07:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:07:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:07:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.mac.comm Subject: Re: MacKermit throughput Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:07:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 99 Message-Id: <3vg77r$qef@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vbvee$q7g@garlic.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MacKermit throughput tuning Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3311 comp.sys.mac.comm:116557 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vbvee$q7g@garlic.com>, Chris Jewell wrote: : Someone has recommended that my employer and a customer use MacKermit : to transfer files between a pair of distant Macs via modem. I recall : that early implementations of Kermit suffered from performance : problems due to packet-size restrictions and the like. From time to : time, I have seen Frank da Cruz assert (without contradiction except : perhaps from Chuck Forsberg ) that complaints about Kermit : performance result from using commercial commware that contains old, : out-of-date implementations of the protocol, or from failure to adjust : the setup to take advantage of 8-bit channels, large packets, etc., : and that anyone using the current production releases of the Columbia : U. programs C-Kermit and MS-KERMIT should be able to obtain something : close to the bandwidth limit on Kermit transfers, provided they pay : attention to tuning. : : Can anyone tell me whether the currently available MacKermit has an : up-to-date protocol engine in it... : Yes, it does. : ... and thus is tunable to near-optimum : throughput, or whether it contains one of those old, inescapably slow : implementations? : No, it doesn't. : I'm perfectly happy to drum up a couple of : registration payments for ZTerm or whatever and use Zmodem protocol if : MacKermit is slow, but if MacKermit performs well I'm also perfectly : happy to recommend that we use it: all I need is a little information. : : Email and I'll summarize to save bandwidth. : No need for that, this is the definitive answer. While Mac Kermit might not be among our premiere implementations, it is at least up to date with respect to the protocol engine. It lags behind in the Mac-specific aspects, due to a chronic shortage of capable volunteer Macintosh programmers and the ever-changing nature of the Macintosh platform and OS themselves. Thus, if you can get it to work at all on your Mac (it does on most), and if you can make it transfer files at all (the latest "non-releases" do), then you should be able to tune it optimally. Here is the current canned blurb describing Mac Kermit: CURRENT STATE OF MACINTOSH KERMIT Mac Kermit 0.991(190) dated 16 August 1994, or later, fixes the problem with downloading under newer System releases (7.1.x). Now files can be downloaded on newer systems such as Centris 660 AV with OS 7.1, Power Mac 7100/66 with OS 7.1.2, etc, without bombs or other nasty effects. It should also fix certain binary/text-mode confusion that seemed to result in corrupted files when downloading in binary mode. As of June 3, 1995, there is also a version modified to use the Communications Toolbox if available, which hopefully should eliminate a lot of the problems people have been reporting concerning "Problem closing RAM serial driver", etc, as well as problems finding and using some of the more unusual types of communication ports on newer Mac models. The last formal release of Mac Kermit was 0.9(40) in 1988. Unfortunately, it does not work very well on newer Macintoshes or Systems. However, newer versions are too big for 512K Macs or below, so you'll have to run 0.9(40) on these old models. A great deal of work has been done on the program since 1988, but the result (so far) is still not of release quality, though it is quite suitable for most purposes. The current pre-pre-release of Mac Kermit (still far from a final release) is 0.991(190), based on C-Kermit 5A(190). It is available via anonymous FTP from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit/f. A comprehensive user manual will be published when the final 1.0 release is complete. Sorry, I can't give any reasonable estimate about when that will be. Mac Kermit files: ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in text mode from the kermit/f directory: ckm190.hqx -- current prerelease of Mac Kermit in BinHex 4.0 format ckmker.doc -- user documentation for 0.9(40), the previous release (1988) ckmker.ps -- PostScript version of user documentation for 0.9(40) ckmker.bwr -- Notes about the current prerelease, FAQ's, etc ckmker.fon -- Notes about the new Mac Kermit terminal emulation font and in the kermit/charsets directory: maclatin.* -- The new Mac Kermit font itself The June 3 Communications Toolbox Test version is in: kermit/mac/mackermit.hqx. UnBinHex it and then you have a self-extracting archive (SEA), which you can click on to unpack into the Kermit app. Read the ckmker.bwr ("beware") file for further details. (End of ckmaaa.hlp) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 15:13:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:13:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:13:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 30 Jul 1995 15:13:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3vg7id$qnu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Budi Rahardjo wrote: >Is there a (legal) mirror site of kermit.columbia.edu? >I am trying to get kermit source, but the site is unreachable from me. > There are no illegal mirror sites, at least not presently. What is illegal is when a CDROM manufacturer / distributor makes a CDROM from an ftp site that has Kermit software on it and sells it or distributes it in any other way without the permission of the Kermit software copyright holder. We don't have the resources to police ftp mirror sites, so you're on your own as to finding one that will provide you with up-to-date, complete versions of the software. If you have problems with Kermit software that you obtain from a mirror site, don't ask us about it because we don't know what you got and we don't have the time to research it. There is no reason why you should not be able to reach kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day. There are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions. Ask your local network administration what the problem is. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 30 23:42:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:16:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:16:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!isar.de!news.cube.net!nasim!not-for-mail From: knarf@nasim.cube.net (Frank Bartels) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: HELP: sz/rz on kermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: 31 Jul 1995 01:42:32 +0200 Organization: The Sunsite for ATARI-Friends Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vh5d8$o04@nasim.nasim.cube.net> References: <3v70if$r8s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nasim.nasim.cube.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950621BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3313 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:5486 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: > I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit. I am having trouble with > running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it > like > > defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00 > > but it will not run. define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line)>\v(line) define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line)>\v(line) Bye, Knarf -- Frank Bartels | UUCP/ZModem/Fax: + 49 89 5469593 | MiNT is knarf@nasim.cube.net | Login: nuucp Index: /pub/ls-lR.nasim.gz | Now TOS! From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 00:23:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:49:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:49:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!misc.twics.com!usenet From: dkanagy@twics.com (Dan Kanagy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with input statement in a script file Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 09:23:00 +0900 Organization: WordWise Inc., Tokyo, Japan Lines: 42 Message-Id: References: <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu> Reply-To: dkanagy@twics.com Nntp-Posting-Host: a16.dial.twics.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu>, gdead@Glue.umd.edu (Alan Neustadtl) wrote: | Okay kermit gurus.....I am using ckermit for os/2 and attempting | to automate a login to our university annex server. I am trying to | use the input statement to "look" for the typical Username:, Password: | strings. [...snip...] As far as I can tell, I seem to be experiencing the same problem. I'm trying to create a script to log in to a VMS system from a OS/2 PC. I can't use VMSLOGIN since the remote host has added an extra step to the login process. The remote host also sends about 300 bytes of text before it gets to what I'm trying to match in the input statement. I've logged my session and the text I want to match is there but input isn't finding it. I've also logged in with debug and there are no unusual hidden characters to cause problems--just the occasional ^M and ^J. No doubt the solution is trivial--once I know what it is. FWIW, the relevant portion of the script is input 10 (1-2,q) if failure - end 1 No prompt and my logged session is: [27 ^Js followed by] Please choose one of the following, then press RETURN. If you have any difficulty connecting, use our alternate access number, (03) 3351-8244. 1. Information (Username: Guest) 2. Access Twics Host Computer Enter Selection (1-2,q) Yes, I've bought *Using C-Kermit* and I'm glad I did. There's no other way to get the most out of kermit, in my opinion. ____________________________________________________________________________ Dan Kanagy Work: wordwise@netcom.com Play: dkanagy@twics.com Tokyo, Japan dkanagy@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 03:41:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:42:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:42:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news1.digex.net!news3.digex.net!access2.digex.net!cmilton From: Chris Milton Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Creative Labs Modem Blaster 28.8 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:41:06 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, USA Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: access2.digex.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone ever written a script for max baud/bps connection, etc., for this modem?? Using MS-Kermit 3.14r9 and/or NetManage Chameleon. --- Christopher M Milton cmilton@access.digex.net BA, linguistics, Macalester College, 1989 Arlington (VA) Central Library (703) 358-5945 http://www.access.digex.net/~cmilton From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 31 00:30:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 03:19:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 03:19:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 30 Jul 1995 19:30:20 -0500 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. >It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. AMEN!!! Chuck's posts wreak of blatant self-promotion. He's apparently afraid that the kermit protocol is going to cut into his profits, so he sees the need to attack kermit at every opportunity. It's sickening... -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 12:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:26:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:26:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with input statement in a script file Date: 31 Jul 1995 12:25:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3vii4i$1cg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3v84vb$t3r@cwmills.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dan Kanagy wrote: : : As far as I can tell, I seem to be experiencing the same problem. I'm : trying to create a script to log in to a VMS system from a OS/2 PC. I : can't use VMSLOGIN since the remote host has added an extra step to : the login process. ... : No doubt the solution is trivial--once I know what it is. : Take another look at the VMSLOGIN script. Notice how it handles VMS's "What Are You?" query to the terminal. At present (though not necessarily in the future), it is a cardinal principle that Kermit's terminal emulator is not active except when executing the CONNECT command. Thus, anything the terminal emulator would have had to do during an interactive login must be done by your script. Here is the relevant fragment from the current version of VMSLOGIN: minput 20 \27Z \27[c,- xif success { - out \27[\?1c,- in 2 [6n,- if succ out \27[24;80R - } else { out \13},- (By the way, this version has hardwired values for terminal ID and screen size, which could be fixed to reflect the actual terminal ID and screen size.) If you have further trouble with VMSLOGIN'ing, send details by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 12:06:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:12:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:12:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!revco.med.yale.edu!revco From: Jim Revkin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialout permissions/ck/solaris2.4 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:06:44 -0400 Organization: Yale University Lines: 19 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: revco.med.yale.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I try to dialout using C-Kermit under solaris 2.4, as a regular user, I get an error message telling me I don't have permission to access the dialout device /dev/cu/a. When I do a % ls -la /dev/cu/a it indicates root ownership, and everyone has rwx permissions turned on. If I login as superuser from my user account, I CAN dialout. Also, as a regular user, I can dialout using tip. What I cannot figure out is how I can dialout using tip, but cannot using kermit (unless I've left the login shell and gone into su), knowing that both applications use the same device identifier. Please respond to: james.revkin@yale.edu thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 16:17:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:00:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:00:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!arrakis!rahardj From: rahardj@cc.umanitoba.ca (Budi Rahardjo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 31 Jul 95 16:17:39 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 26 Message-Id: References: <3vg7id$qnu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: arrakis.cc.umanitoba.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: ... : There is no reason why you should not be able to reach : kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day. There : are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions. Ask your : local network administration what the problem is. The connections from us to there is flakey. Actually I got connected a few minutes ago, and got disconnected during an ftp session. I tried to connect again but got error message that there is no route to that host. Traceroute indicated that somewhere (hmm... was it mci.net or sprintlink) the connection was broken. Going back to my question, so there is no official mirror sites (ie the one that talked to you before doing so) for kermit. PS: I've been patient and trying to do this for a week :-( I'll try again. Thanks for your response. -- budi -- Budi Rahardjo #include Unix Support/Administrator - Computer Services - University of Manitoba From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 00:14:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:14:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialout permissions/ck/solaris2.4 Date: 1 Aug 1995 00:14:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3vjrl4$1gt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Revkin wrote: : When I try to dialout using C-Kermit under solaris 2.4, as a regular : user, I get an error message telling me I don't have permission to : access the dialout device /dev/cu/a. When I do a % ls -la /dev/cu/a : it indicates root ownership, and everyone has rwx permissions turned on. : : If I login as superuser from my user account, I CAN dialout. : : Also, as a regular user, I can dialout using tip. : : What I cannot figure out is how I can dialout using tip, but cannot using : kermit (unless I've left the login shell and gone into su), knowing that : both applications use the same device identifier. : If the lock directory or the dialout device is protected against "world", then either their protections must be changed or Kermit must be installed setuid or setgid. This is thoroughly documented in the UNIX appendix of the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and in the installation notes, ckuins.doc, that come with the software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 00:19:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:19:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:19:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mirror sites of Columbia's archive? Date: 1 Aug 1995 00:19:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3vjruv$1sa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vg7id$qnu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Budi Rahardjo wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : ... : : There is no reason why you should not be able to reach : : kermit.columbia.edu; we play host to thousands of ftps every day. There : : are no session limits or any other artificial restrictions. Ask your : : local network administration what the problem is. : : The connections from us to there is flakey. Actually I got connected : a few minutes ago, and got disconnected during an ftp session. : I tried to connect again but got error message that there is no : route to that host. Traceroute indicated that somewhere (hmm... : was it mci.net or sprintlink) the connection was broken. : Not our fault! The Internet has problems from time to time -- you lucky folks in Canada might not realize it, but most of the USA has been engulfed in a terrible heat wave for the past three weeks, which is causing even worse problems than occasional Internet disruptions :-) : Going back to my question, so there is no official mirror sites : (ie the one that talked to you before doing so) for kermit. : No, there is presently no official mirror site. We have no control over what other sites do, so you take your chances with them. That is not to say that none of them does a good job, only that we simply do not know and don't have the time to research it, nor to keep up with it on a daily basis, which is what would be required. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 23:54:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:55:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:55:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news01.aud.alcatel.com!seas.smu.edu!!mahsu From: mahsu@news.uta.edu.uta.edu (Mr. C. P. Hsu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! install Kermit on linux Date: 31 Jul 1995 23:54:39 GMT Organization: University of Texas Arlington Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3vjqfv$j46@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utacnvx.uta.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, everybody, I had a problem of installing the Kermit5A(190) on my newly installed linux(486DX33). I have no idea about how to fix it. I'll appreciate if someone could tell me how to solve this problem. Here is the error message I got. I was using gcc 2.6.3 to make Kermit5A: Making C-Kermit "5A(190)" for Linux... For FSSTND-recommended UUCP lockfiles, use: make linux "KFLAGS=-DLINUXFSSTND Use "make linuxtcp" to add TCP/IP support. Read comments in makefile for additional options. make wermit "CC = gcc" "CC2 = gcc" \ "CFLAGS = -O -DPOSIX -DDYNAMIC -DCK_CURSES -DCK_POSIX_SIG \ " "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lncurses -ltermcap" ... make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/kermit' gcc -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \ ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \ ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \ ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \ ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \ ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o -lncurses -ltermcap lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto' lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here make[1]: *** [wermit] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/kermit' make: *** [linux] Error 2 Thanks. C. P. Hsu Math Dept. U. of Texas @ Arlington mahsu@utacnvx.uta.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 21:05:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:51:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:51:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Scott <75324.1301@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need Help With PaPer Date: 31 Jul 1995 21:05:46 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3vjgja$6rf$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu High School student needs help with finding info on kermit for paper..Please send any info. Thanks scott From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 02:06:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:06:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:06:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! install Kermit on linux Date: 1 Aug 1995 02:06:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3vk276$60q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vjqfv$j46@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vjqfv$j46@utaipx02.uta.edu>, Mr. C. P. Hsu wrote: : I had a problem of installing the Kermit5A(190) on my newly installed : linux(486DX33). I have no idea about how to fix it. I'll appreciate : if someone could tell me how to solve this problem. : : Here is the error message I got. I was using gcc 2.6.3 to make Kermit5A: : ... : " "LNKFLAGS = " "LIBS = -lncurses -ltermcap" : ... : lib_tparm.o(.text+0xcb0): multiple definition of `tgoto' : lib_termcap.o(.text+0x160): first defined here : Evidently you have to be real careful about which curses library is used. I think it depends on your Linux distribution -- different packagers use different curses libraries. The general rule is: if -lncurses doesn't work, try -lcurses, and vice versa. Maybe also remove -ltermcap. If all else fails, remove both, and also remove -DCK_CURSES from CFLAGS. If anybody understands what is going on better than I do, please report back to me so I can update the installation instructions. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 1 01:43:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:59:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:59:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way File Transfer Protocol? Date: 31 Jul 1995 21:43:08 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vk0rc$eq2@panix.com> References: <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU>, Dylan Mackay wrote: >I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols. What >I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in >which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all. It >cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else >it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols. Ideally, some type of >error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the >receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish >whether the transmission was corrupted or not. I believe you are trying to describe error-correcting codes rather than communication protocols. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 1 00:22:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:28:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 00:28:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: opel@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dylan Mackay) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: One-Way File Transfer Protocol? Date: 31 Jul 1995 17:22:38 -0700 Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 35 Sender: opel@leland.stanford.edu (Dylan Mackay) Message-Id: <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: elaine30.stanford.edu Summary: Looking for a File transfer protocol Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols. What I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all. It cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols. Ideally, some type of error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish whether the transmission was corrupted or not. I imagine that one could simply add up all of the bytes transmitted, and then transmit that sum as a checksum byte. Unfortunately, this would only allow the receiver to discard erroneous files, not correct them in any way. If there is a more sophisticated type of one-way transmission, I'd like to hear about it. Does such a protocol exist? Is there some kind of a standard? Where can I find out about it? Please mail any responses to opel@leland.stanford.edu. Also please understand that I am a bit of a novice on the issues surrounding file transfers (if it's not obvious from the questions that I'm asking...). Thanks in advance, Dylan Mackay opel@leland.stanford.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 27 15:39:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 04:16:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 04:16:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit killer text Message-Id: <1995Jul27.203908.99464@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 27 Jul 95 20:39:07 CDT References: <3v5lvv$30m@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks. I *REALLY* wanted to have my terminal lock up. Why didn't you quote it or something? Frank, Joe, Jeff, &c. are perfectly capable of testing strings like this. You didn't need to give all of us a real-world test, especially since many of us here have NO CLUE as to how to fix this. Besides, where did you find such a f****d up string in the first place? If anybody else follows up on this, please delete the offending string. Back to vt320 mode, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 07:24:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:00:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:00:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!news-1a.csn.net!perez From: perez@oldcolo.com (Carlos Perez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4? Date: 31 Jul 1995 07:24:35 GMT Organization: Old Colorado City Communications (oldcolo.com - login "newuser") Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.160.122.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I compiled c-kermit 5A(190) for a system running Dell UNIX System V, release 4, version 4.0 (I don't know if this is really a Dell since I normally dial-up to this machine from home). I ran "make dellsys5r4c" and it compiled without errors and starts up fine. I planned to use it to send/receive files thru the shell account. My problem: I can't get MS Kermit 3.14 to receive or send files using C-Kermit, not does server mode accept commands (FINISH, REMOTE HELP, GET, etc.). It appears as if C-Kermit can't talk to a client thru the terminal server. I know the problem is not with MS Kermit because I can use it just fine using another dial-up machine running Unix. Anyone have any thoughts as to what could be wrong? -- Carlos (perez@oldcolo.com) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 08:24:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:26:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:26:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!venus.sun.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-sc.barrnet.net!netapp.com!usenet From: Varun Mehta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: setting up kermit to auto-answer? Date: 1 Aug 1995 08:24:10 GMT Organization: Network Appliance Corporation Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3vkoba$e7a@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.13 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I guess what I want is similar to BBS functionality. I'd like to be able to dial a remote PC and pick up one or more files from it. I want to know how I should configure the remote PC? I assume I have to set up it's modem to auto-answer and I have to have a copy of kermit running and listening on the appropriate com port. Can I do this using kermit alone or do I need BBS software? Are there any scripts or pointers available to do this? From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 12:19:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:19:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:19:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4? Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:19:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3vl652$70o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net>, Carlos Perez wrote: : I compiled c-kermit 5A(190) for a system running Dell UNIX System V, : release 4, version 4.0 (I don't know if this is really a Dell : since I normally dial-up to this machine from home). I ran : "make dellsys5r4c" and it compiled without errors and starts up : fine. I planned to use it to send/receive files thru the shell : account. : : My problem: I can't get MS Kermit 3.14 to receive or send files : using C-Kermit, not does server mode accept commands (FINISH, REMOTE HELP, : GET, etc.). It appears as if C-Kermit can't talk to a client : thru the terminal server. I know the problem is not with MS Kermit : because I can use it just fine using another dial-up machine running : Unix. : There is not enough information here to supply an answer. However, the Dell version has been well tested and works fine. Try "set parity space" on both ends. If that doesn't do it, read the manual, the "beware file", etc. If that doesn't help, send email to kermit@columbia.edu with details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 12:29:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:29:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:29:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way File Transfer Protocol? Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:29:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3vl6mp$76v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vjs4e$nip@elaine30.Stanford.EDU>, Dylan Mackay wrote: : I am looking for information on one-way file transfer protocols. What : I mean by this is a protocol that will support file transmissions in : which the receiving side has no transmission capability at all. It : cannot send flow control, error-checcking responses, or anything else : it might do in traditional ftp-style protocols. Ideally, some type of : error-checking information could be send with the file, so that the : receiving end could interpret what it has received, and establish : whether the transmission was corrupted or not. : : I imagine that one could simply add up all of the bytes transmitted, : and then transmit that sum as a checksum byte. Unfortunately, this : would only allow the receiver to discard erroneous files, not correct : them in any way. If there is a more sophisticated type of one-way : transmission, I'd like to hear about it. : : Does such a protocol exist? Is there some kind of a standard? Where : can I find out about it? : It's called "forward error correction". The problem has been considered in some depth by scientists in the space program: (a) Obtain an advanced degree in mathematics. (b) Learn about Hamming codes. (c) Learn about Bose-Chaudhouri-Hocquengham codes. (d) Find papers on the fifty or so more advanced techniques developed since then. Not for the faint of heart. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 12:33:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:33:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:33:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting up kermit to auto-answer? Date: 1 Aug 1995 12:33:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vl6v7$7b5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vkoba$e7a@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vkoba$e7a@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta wrote: : I guess what I want is similar to BBS functionality. I'd like to be able : to dial a remote PC and pick up one or more files from it. I want to know : how I should configure the remote PC? I assume I have to set up it's modem : to auto-answer and I have to have a copy of kermit running and listening : on the appropriate com port. Can I do this using kermit alone or do I : need BBS software? : You can do it using Kermit alone, but this does not give you a DOS session or menu on the remote side, in case that's what you were looking for. It gives you a Kermit server, to which the client can send file management (DIR, CD, etc) and transfer commands. It includes security features. Of course, this can be menued to death on the client end. See Chapters 10 and 11 of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 20:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:28:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:28:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:26:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bud Huber wrote: >In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>, >>>Joseph Huber wrote: >>>> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >[snip, snip...] >>and demand a fair >[snip to end.] > >Dear Chuck, Dear Bud, Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit are duly noted. When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no longer be necessary for me and others to respond. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 00:33:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:33:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:33:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Date: 2 Aug 1995 00:33:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article , Bud Huber wrote: >>Dear Chuck, >[snip snip] > >Dear Bud, > >Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit >are duly noted. When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and >incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no >longer be necessary for me and others to respond. > This is a vicious circle, and it's an enormous waste of time for both Chuck and me. I could rephrase the above sentence, switching names around, and it applies equally to Kermit. Perhaps the real question is "what constitutes an attack"? Chuck and some other people believe the Kermit News article from 1993 to be an unfair attack because it didn't compare Kermit with some things they thought it should have compared it with. We could go on and on about this forever (and it feels as if we have :-), but at bottom the article was published to counter "unjust and incorrect attacks" against Kermit over the years that had the cumulative effect of making everybody believe it was intrinsically slow. I think the article achieved its purpose, and I do not believe this was done at Chuck's or Omen Technology's expense. If it was done at anybody's expense, it was the companies that make the software with which Kermit was compared. The article is very explicit about this. In any case, it's been two years. Let's bury the hatchet. I think we can all live in a world in which there are two major competing file transfer protocols (not counting FTP :-), each one with its own strengths and weaknesses, each with its own preferred (default) tuning and set of assumptions behind that tuning, each with its own appeal to different segments of the world's people. I don't want to destroy ZMODEM -- I want everybody to realize that the two protocols are pretty much on a par with one another when examined objectively, rather than one (ZMODEM) being so far superior to Kermit that one would only turn to Kermit as a "last resort". If we can all agree on that, then there is room for gentlepersonly disagreement about details: what are the most appropriate default tunings for various audiences and why, and on a more theoretical level about windowing strategies, error recovery characteristics, and so forth (as if anybody cares), but there should be no need for acrimony or fighting over table scraps. In any case, I think that both Chuck and I have demonstrated our respective abilities to hold our ground - there will never be a clear victor or vanquished, so why bother? And truth be told, there are far greater threats to Omen and ZMODEM than Kermit, and vice versa. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 21:28:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:28:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:28:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!interaccess!d117.nnb.interaccess.com!fgug From: fgug@interaccess.com (Frank Gugliuzza) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:48:52 Organization: InterAccess,Chicagoland's Full Service Internet Provider Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: d117.nnb.interaccess.com Keywords: Script X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit Nubea here, I'm trying to setup Kermit to automatically dial into a Galacticom BBS. I have already modified the MCCUSTOM to dial the number but, when it connects to the BBS the prompt just sits and does not take any of my Output commands. I also tried doing a C to go into terminal mode within the .TAK file but the results were similar. I'm able to see the BBS main screen but the system still does not take any of my script commands until I do a CTRL-X. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 26 02:05:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:55:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15513 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:54:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!ve6bc!camrose!bjorndahl From: bjorndahl@augustana.ab.ca (Sterling Bjorndahl) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.14 and Vax/CMU 6.6-5a don't work together Message-Id: <1995Jul26.080514.12366@camrose> Date: 26 Jul 95 08:05:14 MDT Organization: Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using a tcp/ip connection between MS-Kermit 3.14 (packet drivers) and a Vax with CMU-TEK tcp/ip 6.6-5a, the connection freezes after about two minutes of usage (terminal emulation) without error message. Attempting to Hangup results in a computer lockup. MS-Kermit 3.13 works just fine, and MS-K 3.14 connects to Vaxes with other vms tcp/ip's just fine. No other software that I have tried has failed to connect to the CMU machine. We are running IPX as well as IP, in case that makes a difference. I don't know how to go about tracking this down, so advice or suggestions would be appreciated. I would even be glad to offer to any volunteer debugger a guest account on our Vax to try it out. Here's an extract from a typical autoexec.bat entry: > LH /L:2,11136 c:\exp16 0x60 > LH /L:1,4144 c:\winpkt 0x60 (not in all configurations that fail) > LH /L:2,27024 c:\pdipx > c:\netx /ps=lab_server_1 As I say, this continues to work just fine with 3.13. -- Sterling G. Bjorndahl, bjorndahl@Augustana.AB.CA Augustana University College, Camrose, Alberta, Canada (403) 679-1516 When dealing with computers, a little paranoia is usually appropriate. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 22:31:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:02:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:02:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.unb.ca!usenet From: you@somehost.somedomain (gdgf) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: i lost kermit Date: 1 Aug 1995 22:31:22 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3vm9vq$ibk@sol.sun.csd.unb.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 139.103.48.112 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I lost my kermit! Help me find him! Please! You know who you are? You better not hurt him? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 18:04:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:39:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 04:39:33 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!bhuber From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) Subject: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:04:17 GMT Lines: 39 Sender: bhuber@netcom8.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>, >>Joseph Huber wrote: >>> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: [snip, snip...] >and demand a fair [snip to end.] Dear Chuck, Your tirades, be they justified or not, are of no interest to me. I continue to read this particular bulletin board so that I can keep current and learn how better to utilize Kermit. You seem to be of the opinion that the topic is of the ilk or perhaps . To my way of thinking, the topic is quite clear and of interest to me; your comments are off-focus, negative, and not worthy of my time. You can "demand" what you wish, but don't look for support from me. While it is your prerogative to post whatever you wish, I have to tell you that anytime I see either your name or Xmodem or Ymodem or Zmodem or ... , I think bad thoughts. Whether or not that is your intended goal, that is the end result of your mindset and writing style. People generally get recognized for what they have accomplished, not what/who they tear down (unless you are a politician running for office, a lawyer, or some such cretin!). You may have done great things in your life, but I'm not willing to give you any of my time to help me understand what those accomplishments may be -- unless and until you come from a more constructive viewpoint. Best wishes, Bud Huber P.S., I am in no way related to the Joseph Huber who has also responded to your postings. -- -------------------- Bud Huber <72130.1217@compuserve.com> or . PGP 2.7.1 public key available on request. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 13:48:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:51:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:48:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS Date: 2 Aug 1995 13:48:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 94 Message-Id: <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Script Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank Gugliuzza wrote: >I'm trying to setup Kermit to automatically dial into a Galacticom BBS. I >have already modified the MCCUSTOM to dial the number but, when it >connects to the BBS the prompt just sits and does not take any of my >Output commands. > >I also tried doing a C to go into terminal mode within the .TAK file but >the results were similar. I'm able to see the BBS main screen but the >system still does not take any of my script commands until I do a CTRL-X. > It sounds to me like you need to read the script programming chapter of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Although Kermit script programs are easier to write than, say, C or Fortran programs, when writing programs in any language you need a reference until you are proficient enough to work without it. To summarize very briefly, first make sure sure that you can do everything manually. Then write down what you did in the form of a script program. Replace the CONNECT command by a series of: OUTPUT blah ; what I type INPUT n blah ; how the computer is supposed to respond within n secs IF FAIL blah ; what to do if it doesn't Use SET TAKE ECHO ON and SET INPUT ECHO ON to debug. Please consult the manual for details. The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $36.95. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, "MS-Kermit Nyumon", Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. Publisher's address: Abe-toku Building, 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101, Japan. Tel. +81-3-3256-1091. Price 1,800 Yen + tax. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 19:43:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:52:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:52:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.netins.net!usenet From: RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Int 14 (Please, Please help us out) Date: Sat, 29 Jul 1995 19:43:46 GMT Organization: INS Information Services, Des Moines, Iowa, USA Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3ve3f2$7ae@insosf1.netins.net> References: <3vbmhr$uap@insosf1.netins.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s3212.netins.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu RLUHMAN@netins.net (Rick Luhman) wrote: >We have obtained some software/hardware that will allow us to share a >modem hooked to an X.25 protocol line. Does anybody know how to tell >kermit 3.14 to use the int14 protocol (Set port? Set host?). Any help >would be appreciated. >Thanks in advance, >Rick Luhman Well, I think that I have answered part of my own question. This morning, I downloaded the latest Kermit 3.14 build, loaded that onto my PC and at the kermit prompt I typed in Set Port Bios3. This gave me a connection in which I was presented a choice of connecting to the console (the unit that has a connection to a supervisor PC, an ethernet connection to the LAN, and a connection to our modem) or connecting to the X.25 line. I selected the X.25 line and pressed enter. This gave me a description of my current settings and told me to press enter if these were OK. However, pressing enter gave no results. Presumably what should have happened is that after pressing enter I should have been able to type in the X.121 address of our host and make a connection to the host. Does anybody have any suggestions? Rick Luhman From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 20:52:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 04:39:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 04:39:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 29 Jul 1995 20:52:20 GMT From: MariaGenn@aol.com Sender: daemon@cass.ma02.bull.com Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <950729165152_43560388@aol.com> Control: cancel <950729165152_43560388@aol.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 29 21:47:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:10:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:10:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 29 Jul 1995 16:47:33 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3vea9l$b7n@Venus.mcs.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In other words, binary mode (= "No Presentation Layer") >works for all files only when: > > (a) The two systems have the same text-file format (e.g. stream LF, > stream CRLF, stream CR), and then (usually) only when the files > are stream, rather than record oriented, and: > > (b) Character-set conversion is not required. > >Therefore, when conditions (a) and (b) are not met, one must pick text or >binary mode for each file transfer in order to avoid corruption. And that >implies that, for convenience, one must also have a default mode to be >used in the absence of a specific directive from the user. The rub, of >course, is that any given default will not fit every file transfer. But, since kermits exchange some initialization information before the transfer, it would be quite possible for them to know when case (a) applies. All you would have to to is assign a code for each of the types of conversions that kermit does when going from local to canonical text (probably 4 common ones...) and send this as part of the initialization codes. If the remote and local codes are identical, skip the text transformations and do everything in binary mode unless you have been told to do character-set conversion. This would take care of the most common case these days where you are transferring among like systems, and the fall-back for kermits that don't send a code or send an unknown code would be to use the current behaviour with a warning the BINARY/TEXT should be set explicitly. How many calls do you get about this problem? How many people give up on kermit because their files end up corrupted? It would also make sense to give a warning when one end has binary mode set and the other has text mode. It's really too bad that no one has established a standard for binary storage of text so it could be labeled by the originating system as to the character set and line/record ending conventions so files could be moved around without the transport having to do the conversions (i.e. by network file services, diskettes, tape, etc.). MIME comes close and gets character sets right, but it doesn't really address the local storage conventions for text, so you still can't arbitrarily move files around without twiddling at the transport layer. > WHEREAS nobody, not even the most inexperienced user, transfers any type > of file except ZIP and GIF and JPEG any more, and... Unfortunately, GIF and JPEG files are more portable than text these days. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:04:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:07:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:07:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Subject: Re: HELP: sz/rz on kermit Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:04:50 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3vqoii$96r@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <3v70if$r8s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3vh5d8$o04@nasim.nasim.cube.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs2.cis.pitt.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3342 comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc:5655 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brendan J. F. Scallon (scallon@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote: > I am running FreeBSD 2.0 with C-Kermit. I am having trouble with > running the zmodem and am trying to use the define command to use it > like > defile sz /usr/local/bin/sz %1 < /dev/cua00 > /dev/cua00 Now there's your problem. Once you've defiled the sz program, it's not gonna work until you've undone your wrongs. Delete the old rz/sz, hose down the machine with industrial solvent (disconnect the power first, we practice safe computing around here), have the hardware blessed by Chuck (you never can be too careful), spend a day in meditation, contemplating the cruelty of defiling software, then attempt a fresh build of the zmodem software. If that doesn't work, you may want to look at your command syntax. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 "Caffeine is one of the many substances that have been shown to cause laboratory experiments involving rats." -Dave Barry From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:49:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:58:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:58:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.spacecom.com!news From: PYUEN@UVSG.COM (PETER YUEN) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to install kermit on HP-3000 Date: 3 Aug 1995 15:49:12 GMT Organization: SUPERSTAR SATELLITE ENTERTAINMENT Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3vqr5o$n9j@ds9.spacecom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pyuan.uvsg.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need help on installing kermit on HP3000. I get a copy of HP3000 kermit from Columbia University in my PC. How do I installing it to HP and which one is the prog? Can this kermit allow the HP to dail a modem through a modem port and connect to a remote PC and do file transfer from the HP to the PC. Peter From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:04:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:14:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:14:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!ts-b.bcc.ac.uk!uctljcw From: uctljcw@ucl.ac.uk (Mr Jevon C White) Subject: Problems with a Kermit script Message-Id: <1995Aug3.150441.32980@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:04:41 GMT Organization: University College London Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I seem to be having problems with a Kermit script and wondered if anybody out there could help me. I am using tcp/ip access to reach to telnet.ja.net. My problem comes on exiting. I would like the script to do error checking but I can't seem to get it to look for the right stuff so that it quits properly. Could anybody willing to spend a little time to help please e-mail directly so that I do not waste everybody else's bandwidth sending a copy of the script to the newsgroup? AdvTHANKSance. Jevon White Computing Support Officer Faculty of Laws, U.C.L. E-Mail: j.white@ucl.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 15:22:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:59:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:59:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!news1.boi.hp.com!sbutler From: sbutler@boi.hp.com (Sylvan Butler) Subject: Re: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Sender: news@boi.hp.com (Boise Site News Server) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:22:09 GMT Reply-To: sbutler@boi.hp.com References: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpbs972.boi.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard / Boise, Idaho X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.2] Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Red Barchetta (paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu) wrote: >The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with >my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen. The ... >blank. I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact >with remote systems) but I cannot see them! Does anyone here know what the It sounds like the computer is not receiving any data from the modem, which may be because the irq isn't working, or perhaps the data just isn't getting from the modem to the serial port (if external a cable may be bad, internal then it is bad). Does the modem work properly with other software? Double check that the irq is set properly for the modem/serial port. Double check that the irq doesn't conflict with anything else. sdb -- | Sylvan Butler | Not speaking for Hewlett-Packard | sbutler@boi.hp.com | "Don't Tread On Me!" From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 23:44:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:46:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:46:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!uunet.ca!news.uunet.ca!ia.mks.com!zephyr!info.ucla.edu!library.ucla.edu!ucsbuxb.ucsb.edu!NewsWatcher!user From: 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu (Julianne Reich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and 132 columns. Date: 2 Aug 1995 23:44:36 GMT Organization: University of California at Santa Barbara Lines: 19 Message-Id: <9531reic-0208951653500001@128.111.124.34> References: <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.111.124.34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Jul25.115350@nickel.laurentian.ca>, claude@nickel.laurentian.ca wrote: 128. Does Yes I have had this problem on the macintosh how do set it to 132 char? Julianne Reich 9531reic@ucsbvm.ucsb.edu. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 03:54:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:06:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:06:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.nevada.edu!homesick.cs.unlv.edu!cswu From: cswu@unlv.edu (Changshi Wu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Subject: HELP:auto download file using KERMIT Date: 4 Aug 1995 03:54:28 GMT Organization: UNLV College of Engineering Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3vs5lk$ou0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mabon.isri.unlv.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3347 comp.protocols.misc:4878 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi, all. i am new to use c-kermit, could somebody here tell me how to write a simple script to dial up a remote machine, login and get a file and logout? since our project need to transfer the same file every 15 minutes, that is why i need a script to do that. we need to get this thing done a.s.a.p, and the c-kermit manual hasn't arrived yet :<. thanks ahead for your help. -- --- Changshi Wu Information Science Research Institute cswu@isri.unlv.edu University of Nevada, Las Vegas cswu@aurora.nscee.edu Phone: 702-895-4573(O) 702-242-0721(H) Point your WWW browser to: From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 05:00:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:26:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:26:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!simtel!col.hp.com!csn!news-1a.csn.net!perez From: perez@oldcolo.com (Carlos Perez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT for Dell UNIX Sys V rel 4, ver 4? Date: 4 Aug 1995 05:00:30 GMT Organization: Old Colorado City Communications (oldcolo.com - login "newuser") Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3vs9he$p12@news-2.csn.net> References: <3vi0fj$jhg@news-2.csn.net> <3vl652$70o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.160.122.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : There is not enough information here to supply an answer... : - Frank Thanks for your help, but that is all the information I have. Ckermit compiles fine, starts up fine, but file transfers simply hang. No error messages, no anything at all. set parity space doesn't seem to have any affect. FWIW, this system has an old version of kermit that does work. The version information for this old versions is 5A(179) BETA for AT&T System V/386 R4. I'll keep poking around, again thanks. -- Carlos From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 08:49:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:46:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:46:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!isonews.bbn.hp.com!wwwcrc.swiss.hp.com!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 4 Aug 1995 08:49:53 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some providers do use or not use them.... The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for downloading files from CIS is: - Don't try it? - You are out of luck. - better not try it. If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the Internet. It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) Thanks Daniel -- Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, Niederwangen, HP8702 SMTP: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 2 17:04:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pegasus.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu (Red Barchetta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Date: 2 Aug 1995 13:04:53 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pegasus.rutgers.edu Keywords: modem,kermit,connect Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, and consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to come up with an answer. Maybe someone here can help me out. The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen. The blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen is blank. The cursor just sits in the upper left hand corner of the screen. If I type something, the send/receive lights flash on the modem, but the screen remains blank. I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact with remote systems) but I cannot see them! Does anyone here know what the problem could be? This is the first time I have used any type of comm. software, but I followed the directions I was given. I am probably just missing something really stupid... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks... Red From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 15:39:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:39:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:39:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Date: 4 Aug 1995 15:39:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3vtevl$4fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: modem,kermit,connect Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu>, Red Barchetta wrote: : I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, : and consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to : come up with an answer. Maybe someone here can help me out. : : The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact : with my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank : screen. The blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen : is blank. : So you are using MS-DOS Kermit? Please read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file. "Can Talk But Not Listen Syndrome". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 14:27:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:47:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:47:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!pcnet.com!not-for-mail From: pelletie@pcnet.com (enCycLoPedic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer Date: 4 Aug 1995 10:27:39 -0400 Organization: PCNet, Connecticut's Internet Provider Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pcnet1.pcnet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu INTRO: I am having a problem with labeled file transfer in OS/2. (I have read the material on VMS labeled transfer from the book and the section Transferring OS/2 File with Attributes from the updates.) WHAT I DID: transferred an entire directory tree from a FAT volume on one OS/2 system over a LAN TCP/IP connection to a FAT volume on another OS/2 system. SET FILE TYPE LABEL on both systems. No change to defaults for SET FILE LABEL. I used CKermit 191 for OS/2, ftp'd yesterday from the archives directory at Columbia. WHAT I EXPECTED: EAs would be transferred and would end up in an EA DATA.SF file on the receiving end, the normal way OS/2 stores extended attributes on a FAT volume. WHAT I GOT: each transferred file has a KERMIT LABELED FILE header on it, as if the files had been sent to a system that could not handle EAs. QUESTIONS: I am not sure if the problem is with my understanding of how labeled transfer is supposed to work or in what I did. I would appreciate clarification. Also, the VMS material makes reference to the CKVCVT program to remove headers of this kind on VMS. Does an equivalent exist for OS/2? It does not appear to be in the distribution. -- I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch-- | Clifford L. Pelletier I said it in Latin and Greek: | pelletie@pcnet.com But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) | that English is what you speak! --L. Carroll | From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 06:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:24:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:24:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer Date: 5 Aug 1995 06:24:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3vv2rc$bqj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com>, enCycLoPedic wrote: >INTRO: I am having a problem with labeled file transfer in OS/2. (I >have read the material on VMS labeled transfer from the book and the >section Transferring OS/2 File with Attributes from the updates.) > >WHAT I DID: transferred an entire directory tree from a FAT volume on one >OS/2 system over a LAN TCP/IP connection to a FAT volume on another OS/2 >system. SET FILE TYPE LABEL on both systems. No change to defaults for >SET FILE LABEL. I used CKermit 191 for OS/2, ftp'd yesterday from the >archives directory at Columbia. That is exactly what you are supposed to do, and what I just tested using two machines connected via a serial connection. >WHAT I EXPECTED: EAs would be transferred and would end up in an EA >DATA.SF file on the receiving end, the normal way OS/2 stores extended >attributes on a FAT volume. Correct. This is what you should expect. >WHAT I GOT: each transferred file has a KERMIT LABELED FILE header on it, >as if the files had been sent to a system that could not handle EAs. The receiver was definitely not in LABELED mode. The receiver was probably in BINARY mode. This is how a LABELED file would be stored in that situation. >QUESTIONS: I am not sure if the problem is with my understanding of how >labeled transfer is supposed to work or in what I did. I would >appreciate clarification. Also, the VMS material makes reference to the >CKVCVT program to remove headers of this kind on VMS. Does an >equivalent exist for OS/2? It does not appear to be in the >distribution. Do us both a favor and try a simple test. Perform the file transfer again this time transfering a single file and let me know what happens. Again, I just tested this by sending about a dozen files with EAs from one HPFS system to a FAT system with no problems. As far as a CKOCVT program goes, no there isn't one. However, on a single machine you can use two C-Kermits connected via NAmed Pipes to perform the translation for you. See the CKERMIT.INF file for more info on LABELED mode and Named Pipes. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 31 15:06:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 03:08:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 03:08:22 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:06:42 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Jul28.154724.57417@cc.usu.edu> <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vh86s$jjh@fohnix.metronet.com>, Joseph Huber wrote: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> Chuck: it's about time you stopped slamming people in public. >>It's disgusting, wastes bandwidth. Your posts continue to be destructive. > >AMEN!!! > >Chuck's posts wreak of blatant self-promotion. He's apparently afraid >that the kermit protocol is going to cut into his profits, so he sees >the need to attack kermit at every opportunity. It's sickening... I don't attack Kermit at every opportunity. But I do respond in self defense to incorrect attacks on ZMODEM. As long as Columbia University et al insist on attacking ZMODEM, either directly or by referring readers to their alleged "True-Life Benchmarks" article I shall continue to provide a second opinion and demand a fair, supervised, public rerun of Columbia's tests. Please refer to knews*.zip at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem for details. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 13:13:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.amherst.edu!news.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!alex.ecs.umass.edu!langlois From: langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu (Philip M. Langlois) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OUTPUT and numbers Date: 3 Aug 1995 13:13:03 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3vqi0v$loo@risky.ecs.umass.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: alex.ecs.umass.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm writing a dialing script, and cannot seem to OUTPUT a number (as opposed to text) when the terminal server needs it. Is there a backslash character for this? -- Phil ___________________________________________________________ Philip M. Langlois (langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu) Research Engineer From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 3 13:08:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:25:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!johnp From: johnp@hpuerci.atl.hp.com (John Pezzano) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with echo after connecting to modem Date: 3 Aug 1995 13:08:56 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta Lines: 27 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3vqhp8$16m@hpuerci.atl.hp.com> References: <3vob7l$1ck@pegasus.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpuerci.atl.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Red Barchetta (paradox@pegasus.rutgers.edu) wrote: : I've tried asking everyone around here who has used Kermit this question, and : consulted two different manuals, and I still haven't been able to come up : with an answer. Maybe someone here can help me out. : The problem I'm having is that, after typing "connect" to make contact with : my modem (a Hayes Accura 14400 external fax modem), I get a blank screen. The : blue bar appears on the bottom, but the rest of the screen is blank. The : cursor just sits in the upper left hand corner of the screen. If I type : something, the send/receive lights flash on the modem, but the screen remains : blank. I can issues commands to the modem (it will dial and even make contact : with remote systems) but I cannot see them! Does anyone here know what the : problem could be? This is the first time I have used any type of comm. : software, but I followed the directions I was given. I am probably just : missing something really stupid... Any help would be greatly appreciated. Have you issued: ATE0 - echo commands on ATQ0 - enable result codes ATV1 - Display results as words Then issued AT&W to write that out to non-volatile memory? -- johnP John Pezzano, HP NAET Email: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 09:26:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 05:56:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 05:56:15 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:26:28 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >>In article , Bud Huber wrote: >>>Dear Chuck, >>[snip snip] >> >>Dear Bud, >> >>Your observations about discussing the merits of ZMODEM and Kermit >>are duly noted. When Frank da Cruz at al. cease to unjustly and >>incorrectly attack ZMODEM, directly or by reference, it will no >>longer be necessary for me and others to respond. >> >This is a vicious circle, and it's an enormous waste of time for both >Chuck and me. I could rephrase the above sentence, switching names >around, and it applies equally to Kermit. Perhaps the real question is >"what constitutes an attack"? > >Chuck and some other people believe the Kermit News article from 1993 to >be an unfair attack because it didn't compare Kermit with some things they >thought it should have compared it with. We could go on and on about this >forever (and it feels as if we have :-), but at bottom the article was >published to counter "unjust and incorrect attacks" against Kermit over >the years that had the cumulative effect of making everybody believe it >was intrinsically slow. I think the article achieved its purpose, and I >do not believe this was done at Chuck's or Omen Technology's expense. If >it was done at anybody's expense, it was the companies that make the >software with which Kermit was compared. The article is very explicit >about this. Yes, the article achieved its intended purpose, to increase the movement of Columbia University's Kermit product at the expense of ZMODEM solutions. When I first complained to Mr. da Cruz about the Kermit News hit piece on ZMODEM, I only raised the issue of fairness. The article made sweeping generalizations about Kermit and ZMODEM by comparing the latest and greatest Kermit with inferior third party ZMODEM implementations. As discussion on these points heated up, technical flaws in the "True-Life Benchmarks" became apparent. The "True-Life Benchmarks" were disproven in the public Protocol Shootout. Since then I have repeatedly challenged Frank to allow a fair, public repeat of the so-called "True-Life Benchmarks". > >In any case, it's been two years. Let's bury the hatchet. I think we can If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks" from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 14:24:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:29:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:29:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!news.csie.nctu.edu.tw!nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw!jou From: jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address Date: 5 Aug 1995 14:24:32 GMT Organization: Liquid Crystal Lab, NCTU, Taiwan, ROC Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Nntp-Posting-Host: jou%@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, There is a text which shows the login title in our school. ************************************************************** * * * Welcome to TANET dialup service at Hsin-Chu * * * ************************************************************** 0: Telnet 1: alumni (140.126.237.200) 2: educator (140.126.237.201) 3: csiebbs (140.113.17.154) 4: cisbbs (140.113.23.3) 5: eebbs (140.113.218.1) 6: PPP 7: SLIP 8: Exit Enter your choice: If I enter '7', I got the following two lines. Switching to SLIP. Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is 140.126.237.109. The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using kermit script ? Thanks in advance. --Jou From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 18:01:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:15:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:15:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!pcnet.com!pcnet.com!not-for-mail From: pelletie@pcnet.com (enCycLoPedic) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Labeled File Transfer Date: 5 Aug 1995 14:01:22 -0400 Organization: PCNet, Connecticut's Internet Provider Lines: 96 Message-Id: <400bli$1oi@pcnet1.pcnet.com> References: <3vtaor$84n@pcnet1.pcnet.com> <3vv2rc$bqj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pcnet1.pcnet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vv2rc$bqj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Do us both a favor and try a simple test. Perform the file transfer again >this time transfering a single file and let me know what happens. OK. I did as you suggested. I tried sending a single file and got a failure. Below I include screen dumps of each copy of CKermit, post transfer, showing that both were in Labeled mode. I also include the original file and the human readable parts of what arrived at the other end. The original problem occurred at work on a TCP/IP LAN connection between FAT file systems on two machines, one running Warp Connect, the other running Warp with WINOS2. I was able to recreate the problem at home on a single machine using a Named Pipe connection on HPFS. So the problem is not unique to machine, connection type, or file system. Dump of sender screen: C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95 Current Directory: K:\CKERMIT Network Host: \\.\pipe\kermit Network Type: Named Pipes Parity: none Sending: ckermit.cmd => CKERMIT.CMD => ckermit.cmd File Type: LABELED File Size: 455 Percent Done: 100 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Elapsed Time: 00:00:01 Transfer Rate, CPS: 1123 Window Slots: 1 of 4 Packet Type: B Packet Count: 5 Packet Length: 8 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Last Message: Files: 1, Total Bytes: 1123 Dump of receiver screen: C-Kermit 5A(191), 24 Apr 95 Current Directory: K:\labeltest Network Host: \pipe\kermit Network Type: Named Pipes Parity: none Receiving: CKERMIT.CMD => ckermit.cmd File Type: LABELED File Size: 455 Percent Done: 100 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: Transfer Rate, CPS: 0 Window Slots: 1 of 4 Packet Type: B Packet Count: 6 Packet Length: 8 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Last Message: Transfer OK File sent: /* Sample OS/2 C-Kermit startup file - Doublequotes are for REXX */ "@echo off" /* Don't echo these commands */ "echo Executing CKERMIT.CMD..." /* Inform user */ "chcp 850" /* Use Code Page 850 */ "mode co80,33" /* Screen size 80 by 33 lines */ /*"MODE com1,38400,n,8,1,rts=hs,idsr=off,octs=off,odsr=off,dtr=off,to=off"*/ "ckermit.exe" arg(1) /* Start C-Kermit, pass all arguments */ File received (run through "strings" program to extract only printable ASCII strings). I can uuencode the binary version, if needed. KERMIT LABELED FILE:02UO04VERS01520.3005KVERS020650119108FILENAME0211ckermit.cmd 04ATTR04 09EABUFSIZE035600 .TYPE OS/2 Command File REXX.METACONTROL OS/2 REXXSAA 4.00 08 Jul 1992 REXX.LITERALPOOL .@echo offecho Executing CKERMIT.CMD...chcp 850mode co80,33ckermit.exearg1BH REXX.VARIABLEBU -- I said it in Hebrew--I said it in Dutch-- | Clifford L. Pelletier I said it in Latin and Greek: | pelletie@pcnet.com But I wholly forgot (and it vexes me much) | that English is what you speak! --L. Carroll | From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 16:23:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:52:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:52:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit uploads from DOS to Unix Date: 4 Aug 1995 16:23:23 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 34 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <3vthhr$2sh@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3v16jk$o8f@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jim Scott (scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu) wrote: : I just got the latest version of Kermit from the ftp site and I can't get : long-packet transfers to work. Needless to say, this is very : aggravating for me. I've read the .bwr file, but I can't get any of the : suggestions there to work. Please help! : Thanks for your response, : Jim Just in case nobody else told you ... You also have to pay attention to *how* you're gettin in to the box. We have a unix box here at temple (several, actually :), but the only way to get in from the outiside is through a cisco router, and this particular router limits the packet size for some dumb reason so we're stuck with small packet length... John -- Just in case you mistake me for someone official, having an official opinion: I'm not, and I don't. --- --- --- --- Ten years ago, kids would pick up the phone, dial a random number, yell "poo poo" to whoever answered, hang up quick and laugh their little butts off. Now, they have computers. Vinnie From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 14:28:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:07 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!lut.ac.uk!ccobs From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk Subject: Kermit book (was: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS) Sender: ccobs@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:28:55 GMT Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) References: <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >It sounds to me like you need to read the script programming chapter of >the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". ... > >The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, the manual is: > > Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / > Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. > Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and > compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. ... > You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / > Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: ... > +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for Frank, Sorry to disappoint you, but I have been trying to order the book from Butterworth-Heinnemann for the past 2 months. All I get back for that edition of the book is "Out of Print". They offer the 1st ed. as an alternative, summat wot I already got. Do you want a cheques with orders, US dollars, or can you invoice to the UK? Cheers, Bertil. -- Bertil Schou, Computing Services, Loughborough University of Technology, Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3TU, GB. +44 1509 222-313. "What instrument of the devil created the jet skis? May his toenails grow inward" (Sailing into the Sunset - Bill and Laurel Cooper) From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 16:24:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:32:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!lut.ac.uk!ccobs From: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk Subject: Re: Kermit book (was: Scipts and auto Logon to a BBS) Sender: ccobs@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:24:08 GMT Reply-To: O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) References: <3vnvn2$dbn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Loughborough University, UK. Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article O.B.Schou@lut.ac.uk (Bertil Schou) writes: ... > >Do you want a cheques with orders, US dollars, or can you invoice to the UK? > Erm, ektuelly, Frank said in his previous posting that its CWO.... Bertil. Bernard sometimes, when I drop my head elsewhere. -- Bertil Schou, Computing Services, Loughborough University of Technology, Loughborough, Leicestershire, LE11 3TU, GB. +44 1509 222-313. "What instrument of the devil created the jet skis? May his toenails grow inward" (Sailing into the Sunset - Bill and Laurel Cooper) From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 22:48:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28160 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:48:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:48:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news1.ucsd.edu!ucsd.edu!ssrossi From: ssrossi@ucsd.edu (S. S. Rossi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit/UUencoding corruption Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:02:01 UNDEFINED Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ganglion.ucsd.edu Summary: UUencode Mac files corrupt after Kermit transfer to VAX server Keywords: C-Kermit 4E(072), VMS 5.0, uuencode, Mac, VAX X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me whether running a more recent ver. of C-Kermit on a VAX will eliminate corruption of uuencoded files that are transferred via Kermit from Mac clients ? C-Kermit, 4E (072) is presently on the VAX server. The VAX is running VMS 5.0. Only Mac uuencoded files show corruption - DOS/Windows uuencoded and "Kermitted" files do not ? ? ? Two different Mac communication programs (containing Kermit) result in the same corruption: Mac 320 and VersaTerm Pro. The corruption consists of truncation every 7-th line - where full justification is required; indicating a buffer or packet size limit when receiving from Mac-Kermits ? Thanks, any and all ! From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 6 03:41:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:42:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:42:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!news.csie.nctu.edu.tw!nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw!jou From: jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address Date: 6 Aug 1995 03:41:06 GMT Organization: Liquid Crystal Lab, NCTU, Taiwan, ROC Lines: 24 Message-Id: <401dki$m5c@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> References: <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> <1995Aug5.135434.58145@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jou%@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) writes: : > Hello, : > : > Switching to SLIP. : > Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is 140.126.237.109. : > : > The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using : > kermit script ? : ------------- : You should write a Kermit script which uses the INPUT command to : look for the string of interest (say Your address is) and then manipulate : the \v(input) line (should have the whole line above). String commands No, v\(input) is not whole line, if I use 'input 10 Your address is'. \v(line) is 'Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is' Well, I solve this problem by using 'input 10 ., input 10., input 10., input 10.' Thanks. : command. These items are discussed in the user's manual, the book : "Using MS-DOS Kermit." : The next MSK release will have a specific screen scraper command : to locate IP address numbers. I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on FreeBSD. Is it a new version ? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 6 04:12:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:34:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:34:25 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!acoustic From: acoustic@netcom.com (Yee On Lo) Subject: making kermit run silently Message-Id: Summary: want to filter out (and throw away) all bell/beep signals Keywords: bell, beep, running silent Sender: acoustic@netcom7.netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 04:12:05 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there some variable i can set or some other way to configure kermit so that it makes no sound (i.e., doesn't beep)? Basically what i want to do is have completely silent operation, so that kermit does not beep when i make a connection, and any beeps the remote system sends my way are intercepted and thrown out before they reach my hardware. (Thus i don't want to hear any beep when a file transfer is complete, when i make an error in a remote program, when there's any trouble with the line, or under any other circumstances whatsoever.) I'd appreciate any info anyone can offer. My version of kermit is: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit: 3.13 8 July 1993 patch level 17 yeeOn acoustic@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 07:54:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 05:59:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 05:59:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: dynamicaly assigned address Message-Id: <1995Aug5.135434.58145@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Aug 95 13:54:34 MDT References: <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vvuv0$mh7@news.csie.nctu.edu.tw>, jou@nematic.ieo.nctu.edu.tw (Wei-Jou Chen) writes: > Hello, > > There is a text which shows the login title in our school. > > ************************************************************** > * * > * Welcome to TANET dialup service at Hsin-Chu * > * * > ************************************************************** > > > > 0: Telnet > 1: alumni (140.126.237.200) > 2: educator (140.126.237.201) > 3: csiebbs (140.113.17.154) > 4: cisbbs (140.113.23.3) > 5: eebbs (140.113.218.1) > 6: PPP > 7: SLIP > 8: Exit > > > > Enter your choice: > > If I enter '7', I got the following two lines. > > Switching to SLIP. > Annex address is 140.126.237.3. Your address is 140.126.237.109. > > The addresses are dynamical assigned. How can I get the addresses by using > kermit script ? ------------- You should write a Kermit script which uses the INPUT command to look for the string of interest (say Your address is) and then manipulate the \v(input) line (should have the whole line above). String commands can then strip the unwanted parts. Put the result into the SET TCP ADDRESS command. These items are discussed in the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." The next MSK release will have a specific screen scraper command to locate IP address numbers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 6 17:34:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:00:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 18:00:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!nwfocus.wa.com!nwestnews!c1mpls!technix!jfw From: jfw@technix.mn.org (Jerry Wallace) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Private system, Saint Paul, MN Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 17:34:54 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > [ ... snip ... ] > >If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks" >from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of >those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet. Nevertheless, you are losing business because of your attitude in this group. Your constant snippy remarks have alienated me from using and recommending your products. This is unfortunate because you may very well have a superior gadget, but I have a bad taste in my mouth about your way of dealing with the competition. Mind you, I don't feel that kermit is the best protocol/term emulator out there, it has strengths and limitations that I recognize and use kermit where it is better suited than anything else and other products if it is not. Chuck, understand that Omen Technologies products are not on the short list I present to my customers. Lighten up your attitude and that will change. The reports from both sides have been published, both are known to the free world. Leave this _kermit_ group alone, Chuck. I read it for _kermit_ information, not _zmodem_. Create a _zmodem_ group and carry on your quest for justice (and sales) there. If you want to post *relevant* (I don't consider constant chatter about the perf benchmarks to be relevant any longer - relative to the industry they are both too old to be of any use) technical information in this _kermit_ group, go ahead but get the kermit bashing away from here. -- Jerry Wallace jfw@technix.mn.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 01:39:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 19:03:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 19:03:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: scott048@gold.tc.umn.edu (Jim Scott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Packet length and file transfers Date: 3 Aug 1995 20:39:54 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 22 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance. I download lots of .zip files and have played with buffer sizes, packet lengths and window slots. I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a 14.4 modem using compression and error correction. My control prefixing is limited to three characters. I average about 1,550 file characters/second when I use packet lengths beteween 200-300 characters. When I increase that to 1000+, my transfer rates fall to 1,200 characters/second or worse. Should I be happy with my 1.5, or is there a way to improve this even more using longer-packets? -- Jim Scott "I had taught myself that a human being might as well look for diamond tiaras in the gutter as for rewards and punishments that were fair." Kurt Vonnegut, from "Mother Night." From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 02:06:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:18:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 22:18:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: 7 Aug 1995 02:06:15 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 6 Message-Id: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu subject says it all.. i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. what do i need to set for proper display? - jae From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 12:52:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:52:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07566 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:52:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Packet length and file transfers Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:52:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Distribution: USA Message-Id: <4052aj$7cc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu>, Jim Scott wrote: : I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have : moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance. I download : lots of .zip files and have played with buffer sizes, packet lengths and : window slots. : : I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a : 14.4 modem using compression and error correction. My control prefixing : is limited to three characters. : : I average about 1,550 file characters/second when I use packet lengths : beteween 200-300 characters. When I increase that to 1000+, my transfer : rates fall to 1,200 characters/second or worse. Should I be happy with : my 1.5, or is there a way to improve this even more using longer-packets? : When transferring precompressed files, you might be able to squeeze out a few more percent by turning off Kermit's compression ("set repeat counts off"). Turning off the modem's compression is usually not worth it. Then you can experiment to find the optimal combination of window size and packet length. Every connection has its own, and the curves are not necessarily predictable. However, for transferring ZIP files on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, you aren't going to get much better than 1600 cps no matter what you do, so you'll have to decide if the experimentation is worth it -- the gain would be about 4 percent. Also be aware of other limiting factors, such as terminal server capacity, buffer size, and speed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 12:55:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:55:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 08:55:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit/UUencoding corruption Date: 7 Aug 1995 12:55:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4052g8$7f3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: C-Kermit 4E(072), VMS 5.0, uuencode, Mac, VAX Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , S. S. Rossi wrote: : Can anyone tell me whether running a more recent ver. of C-Kermit on a VAX : will eliminate corruption of uuencoded files that are transferred via Kermit : from Mac clients ? C-Kermit, 4E (072) is presently on the VAX server. The : VAX is running VMS 5.0. Only Mac uuencoded files show corruption - : DOS/Windows uuencoded and "Kermitted" files do not ? ? ? Two different Mac : communication programs (containing Kermit) result in the same corruption: : Mac 320 and VersaTerm Pro. The corruption consists of truncation every 7-th : line - where full justification is required; indicating a buffer or packet : size limit when receiving from Mac-Kermits? : Your Mac software is a little too smart for its own good. Uuencode format has the unfortunate property that records can include trailing blanks. Evidently your software thinks it is doing you a favor by stripping them. Real Kermit software does not do this. Whatever its other faults, Mac Kermit will leave trailing blanks alone. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 13:01:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:01:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07819 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 09:01:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: 7 Aug 1995 13:01:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <4052r3$7k6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Jae H Shin wrote: >subject says it all.. >i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. >what do i need to set for proper display? > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 18:46:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:54:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 18:54:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Our" IP address Date: 7 Aug 1995 18:46:16 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-Id: <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running MSKermit 3.14 over Novell IPXODI to a couple of UNIX boxes, using the builtin TCP/IP. I have one of the UNIX boxes set up as a bootp server, with the hardware addresses of each PC interface identified. All was well last week... Today, I cannot make a TCP connection from any of the previously working PCs. If I try, I get a message saying "Our IP address is in use by some other station". I look at show net, and the proper address has been plugged in by the bootp server, so some net com is working. I manually "set tcp addr 89.0.0.222", which is how I attach a PC initially, before I plug it into bootp, and I get the same message. Caveat: I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-( As soon as the remote dialup to the bridge occurs, the Netware console starts complaining "LAN loopback error detected Driver for network 00000001 received its own send packet" Is kermit seeing an echo on initial attempt to use the address I've assigned? I have a "Using C-Kermit" book, but I never have problems with the UNIX side. I should have purchased the MSKermit book instead. Should I retrieve MSDOS source code to look for messages like this? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 09:45:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 20:19:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 20:19:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Our" IP address Message-Id: <1995Aug7.154539.58271@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Aug 95 15:45:39 MDT References: <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > I am running MSKermit 3.14 over Novell IPXODI to a couple of UNIX boxes, > using the builtin TCP/IP. > I have one of the UNIX boxes set up as a bootp server, with the hardware > addresses of each PC interface identified. > > All was well last week... > Today, I cannot make a TCP connection from any of the previously working > PCs. If I try, I get a message saying "Our IP address is in use by some > other station". I look at show net, and the proper address has been plugged > in by the bootp server, so some net com is working. > I manually "set tcp addr 89.0.0.222", which is how I attach a PC initially, > before I plug it into bootp, and I get the same message. > > Caveat: > I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-( > As soon as the remote dialup to the bridge occurs, the Netware console > starts complaining "LAN loopback error detected > Driver for network 00000001 received its own send packet" That will be fatal for the ARP masquerade-test too. That remote link is in bad shape. > > Is kermit seeing an echo on initial attempt to use the address I've > assigned? I have a "Using C-Kermit" book, but I never have problems with Affirmative. > the UNIX side. I should have purchased the MSKermit book instead. > Should I retrieve MSDOS source code to look for messages like this? If you like, but that's not going to solve problems occurring on the wire and in remote boxes. A better tool is a wire monitor. To save you reading the code here is the essential piece: if (imposter == 0 && arp_resolve(my_ip_addr, NULL))/* imposter check */ { outs("\r\n WARNING: our IP address is used by"); outs(" another station! Quitting."); return(0); /* fail back to user */ } imposter++; /* say have done the check */ Joe D. > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 7 10:48:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:43:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Aug 1995 23:43:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!newshost.uwo.ca!taptet.sscl.uwo.ca!creider From: creider@taptet.sscl.uwo.ca (Chet Creider) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit + Xenix + 14,400 modem problem Date: 7 Aug 1995 10:48:18 GMT Organization: University of Western Ontario, London, Ont. Canada Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: <404r1i$8fn@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: taptet.sscl.uwo.ca Cc: This problem probably requires some knowledge of both kermit and Xenix to solve: I've used a 2400 baud modem for years with Xenix (now 2.3.4g) to dial up from home to a Sun in my lab. As I have to go through an additional level of logging in to get onto the network my machine is on, I use a script. I'm trying out a Practical Peripherals 14,400 V.32bis modem now and find that my script is won't work. Worse than that, although I can send a single modem command to the modem from kermit (such as +++ or ATZ), there is no reply "OK". Despite this, I can use the kermit's dial command to dial the network and then reach my own machine by hand. Downloads and uploads work fine. I've tried setting the speed to 2400 and 9600 without changing this behaviour. Strangely, the script works perfectly well under MSDOS (same machine but using MS-Kermit (3.11) instead of C-Kermit (5A(189)). The only other thing I can think of that might be relevant is that rts/cts flow control doesn't seem to be available on the C-Kermit. I did try the xenix command "stty ctsflow rtsflow", but that didn't help. Here is the .kermrc file: set modem hayes set line /dev/tty2A ;set speed 2400 ;set speed 9600 set file type binary ;set file names literal ; M0 below turns the speaker off; S0 would set it to low set dial init-string ATM0Q0S2=43\{13} set send timeout 60 set receive timeout 60 ;take getme2.ccs Any suggestions will be much appreciated. I have the C-Kermit book, but little expertise in these matters. Many thanks, Chet Creider From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 1 15:22:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 02:17:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 02:17:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remapping function keys? Date: 1 Aug 1995 15:22:06 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3vlgqu$chj@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Is it possible to remap the function keys to something different? The problem here is that my system (C-Kermit under VMS) doesn't send a single byte but several bytes for one function key. E.g. F10 sends [21~ . And now I would like C-Kermit to transmit something different for F10. Is it possible? And if so, how do I do it? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 4 14:23:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:30:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 03:30:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 04 Aug 1995 14:23:20 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 19 Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vcq1s$fij@fountain.mindlink.net> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amberxt.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: Jack Bowling@mindlink.bc.ca's message of 29 Jul 1995 08:04:12 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > BE IT RESOLVED THAT future release of Kermit software will use binary > file-transfer mode by default. > >Is this the consensus of opinion among Kermit users? If so, we'll make >this change. It's not hard -- all we have to do is change a "0" to a "1" >and recompile :-) Certainly the very first thing I *always* do with any new kermit setup is stick a "set file type binary" command in my .kermrc file (or whatever the equivalent startup file is). I don't think I have ever done a text mode transfer (come to think of it, ftp has the same problem - does anyone know why ftp doesn't default to binary mode?). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 07:30:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 04:49:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 04:49:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!nntp.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit over IP connection Date: 8 Aug 1995 00:30:40 -0700 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 27 Message-Id: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Summary: ARP not working with latest release... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since switching to the 21 May release of KERMIT.EXE with patch level 9, I have been unable to telnet to remote hosts. The error message: "Unable to ARP resolve gateway www.xxx.yyy.zzz." Details... My end: Kermit running over either CSLIPPER or EtherPPP, using an old DOS box with 640K. Server: A Cisco running IOS (tm) 3000 Software, version 10.2(1). I don't know the model of the box itself. IP addresses: There are two servers, 131.252.129.2{5,6}. The gateway is 131.252.129.10. Name resolution doesn't seem to be a problem. The netmask used is 255.255.254.0. The problem does not occur with this Kermit release if I connect to another server (entirely separate from the above) -- a Netblazer running SLIP. Furthermore, the 18 January patch level 3 Kermit has _no_ problems with the Cisco boxes. (Happily that version is still available at Columbia's FTP...) This is by no means an emergency, but I thought the Kermit folks might want to know. If need to change my setup, or if I should talk with the people running the Cisco boxes, I would appreciate hearing about it. Thanks. ___________________________________________________________________ The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. Never a Windoze user and proud of it. Mail: URL: From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 01:59:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:37:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 10:37:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Aug 95 07:59:38 MDT References: <406ud5$am0@harbour.awod.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <406ud5$am0@harbour.awod.com>, chilton@awod.com (Carl Hilton) writes: > I am having a heck of a time getting KERMIT to find my TCP/IP stack. > > On one machine I have FTP's PCTCP v2.1 running on a NOVELL network. The >ODIPKE and ETHDRV are loaded by the network startup batch file. > > Now I want to run KERMIT. If I just run Kermit I get an 'unable to connect > find TCP/IP stack or ODI packets'. I've tried loading the different That's not a Kermit error message. Kermit error message "Cannot attach to an Ethernet Packet Driver or a Novell ODI driver." results when it can't find a packet delivery mechanism. If another stack is running then that will yield this message from Kermit; see below on this case. (Carl, your mailer creates infinite length lines which don't match 80 column equipment elsewhere; please press Enter before approaching the right edge, tnx.) >ODIPKT.COM's that come with Kermit 3.14 but that does not help. In the >NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC they talk about running through FTP's TNGLASS (tnglass > -c0 -e KERMIT.EXE) I've tried this and get dumped to the >KERMIT prompt. Please help. > The Kermit documentation clearly says one can't run two protocol stacks of the same kind together over the same board. That's the underlying principle here. FTP Inc's stack counts as one, Kermit's internal stack counts as one too. MSK does run over TNGLASS. SET PORT BIOS is the Kermit command to use to find the Int 14h support provided by TNGLASS; don't use SET PORT 1 or COM1 because that tells Kermit to go to the serial port hardware. I suspect there is a command in your setup to go to the hardware, and if so then Kermit.exe command line phrase "-f NUL" is the way to avoid loading mskermit.ini and other startup files. Reading the .ini files will reveal if SET PORT x is present. > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. > Can someone plesase help. What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still applies. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 02:24:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:10:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 11:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection Message-Id: <1995Aug8.082408.58352@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Aug 95 08:24:08 MDT References: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > Since switching to the 21 May release of KERMIT.EXE with > patch level 9, I have been unable to telnet to remote hosts. The > error message: "Unable to ARP resolve gateway www.xxx.yyy.zzz." > Details... > My end: Kermit running over either CSLIPPER or EtherPPP, > using an old DOS box with 640K. > Server: A Cisco running IOS (tm) 3000 Software, version > 10.2(1). I don't know the model of the box itself. > IP addresses: There are two servers, 131.252.129.2{5,6}. > The gateway is 131.252.129.10. Name resolution doesn't seem to be > a problem. The netmask used is 255.255.254.0. > The problem does not occur with this Kermit release if I > connect to another server (entirely separate from the above) -- a > Netblazer running SLIP. Furthermore, the 18 January patch level 3 > Kermit has _no_ problems with the Cisco boxes. (Happily that > version is still available at Columbia's FTP...) > This is by no means an emergency, but I thought the > Kermit folks might want to know. If need to change my setup, or > if I should talk with the people running the Cisco boxes, I would > appreciate hearing about it. Thanks. --------- I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a stab at matters. SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP Packet Driver. Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect of "the other end." EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it. Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense, then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 05:57:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:42:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 12:42:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!harbour.awod.com!usenet From: chilton@awod.com (Carl Hilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Date: 8 Aug 1995 05:57:57 GMT Organization: Hilton Consulting Lines: 13 Message-Id: <406ud5$am0@harbour.awod.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp203.awod.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a heck of a time getting KERMIT to find my TCP/IP stack. On one machine I have FTP's PCTCP v2.1 running on a NOVELL network. The ODIPKE and ETHDRV are loaded by the network startup batch file. Now I want to run KERMIT. If I just run Kermit I get an 'unable to connect find TCP/IP stack or ODI packets'. I've tried loading the different ODIPKT.COM's that come with Kermit 3.14 but that does not help. In the NETWORKS/SETUP.DOC they talk about running through FTP's TNGLASS (tnglass -c0 -e KERMIT.EXE) I've tried this and get dumped to the KERMIT prompt. Please help. On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. Can someone plesase help. Thanks Carl Hilton chilton@awod.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 15:34:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:22:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 14:22:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Date: 8 Aug 1995 08:34:33 -0700 Organization: Pacifier, a public access Internet site. (360-693-0325) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, all. A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ /* PGP2.6.2 PUBLIC KEY available via finger or PGP key server */ ... Intelligent software is an oxymoron. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 19:02:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:26:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Aug 1995 16:26:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Our" IP address Date: 8 Aug 1995 19:02:07 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-Id: <408cbf$70n@bug.rahul.net> References: <405n1o$n6k@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jive.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : Caveat: : I recently attached a remote bridge, which doesn't work, either ;-( Kermit is so annoying when it points out errors ;-) The remote bridge was causing the unhappiness. With the link down, kermit runs fine, as before. I have gotten quite used to using MSKermit as an RS232 debugging tool. I might have to expand that to networks, as well. (The real problem is that the modems for the remote bridge will work dialing via outside lines, but Centrex-extension-to-extension doesn't work; perhaps too high a carrier level, or lack of some echo cancellation.) --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 13:36:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:36:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:36:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!gail.ripco.com!jgamble From: jgamble@ripco.com (John M. Gamble) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: golden.ripco.com Message-Id: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS, Chicago References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 1995 13:36:35 GMT X-Ident-Sender: jgamble Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: > >So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some >providers do use or not use them.... > >The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for >downloading files from CIS is: > >- Don't try it? >- You are out of luck. >- better not try it. > >If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom >program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the >Internet. > >It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) > >Thanks > >Daniel Uh, i use kermit (MS) on CIS all the time. The only lines of significance are "set receive packet 512" and "set send packet 512" (i'm quoting from memory here). I could probably up the packet size, those lines date from when i was having a little line noise problem. -- -john net address: 72330.501@compuserve.com jgamble@ripco.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 15:48:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:48:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:48:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Date: 9 Aug 1995 15:48:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <40alc2$5kf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: : A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to : communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. : The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe : he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. : : The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he : gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system : useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a : noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. : If he did not, that would explain it. The VMS macro puts the terminal emulator into 8-bit mode, which VMS expects if the terminal identifies itself as VT220 or above. The command is "set terminal bytesize 8". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 15:50:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:50:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 11:50:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remapping function keys? Date: 9 Aug 1995 15:50:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <40alfq$5ms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3vlgqu$chj@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3vlgqu$chj@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, Christoph Gartmann wrote: : : Is it possible to remap the function keys to something different? The : problem here is that my system (C-Kermit under VMS) doesn't send a : single byte but several bytes for one function key. E.g. F10 sends : [21~ . And now I would like C-Kermit to transmit something : different for F10. Is it possible? And if so, how do I do it? : From the Kermit FAQ (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html): 24 HOW DO I USE 'SET KEY' WITH PC F-KEYS, ETC, IN UNIX OR VMS C-KERMIT? C-Kermit comes in basically two varieties: - The version for OS/2 that had direct access to the keyboard and screen, and therefore can see keyboard scan codes and so on, and can do true terminal emulation. Here you have comprehensive key mapping ability. - The versions for UNIX, VMS, and so on, that do not have direct access to the keyboard and screen, and rely on your console driver, terminal window, external terminal emulator (such as MS-DOS Kermit), or actual terminal to perform the terminal functions. UNIX is an interesting case. Traditionally, UNIX was accessed through a terminal that was plugged into a terminal port on a timesharing system. Thus, there is no keyboard and screen -- just a communication port. In recent years, this type of access has been largely replaced by terminal servers, but there is still no keyboard and screen. However, now that we have a plethora of PC-based UNIX varieties that run on workstations (PCs) that actually do have a keyboard and screen, it would seem to make sense that Kermit should be able to see all the keys. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Most varieties of UNIX do not let the application see the keyboard. There is no kernel function called "get keyboard scan code". There is only read(), and read() reads a character, not a multibyte scan code. Thus, even if your console driver has programmed (say) your F1 key to send (say) ESC O P, Kermit will read three characters in succession, as if they were three keystrokes, not one. It has no way of knowing that you pressed the F1 key. As far Kermit knows, you pressed the Esc key, then the O key, then the P key. Now perhaps Linux *does* have a system call to let an application at the keyboard. But... - In what contexts does it work? Only on the raw console? In an xterm window? etc etc. - Does it require special privilege to execute? - What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on PCs -- FreeBSD, SCO, Solaris/Intel, etc etc? - What about all the other versions of UNIX that run on non-PC workstations -- SunOS, Solaris/Sparc, HP-UX, AIX, SGI, etc? So the answer is, for now at least -- and as the documentation states -- C-Kermit's SET KEY command in UNIX (and VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc) works only for keys that generate a single 8-bit value, 0..255. Other types of mappings will have to be accomplished outside of Kermit by configuring your console driver, your xterm (e.g. with Xmodmap), and so on. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 20:32:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 18:41:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 18:41:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Date: 8 Aug 1995 20:32:05 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 24 Message-Id: <408hk5$nre@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: >A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to >communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. >The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe >he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. > >The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he >gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system >useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a >noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. Looks like a wrong terminal type, e.g. the VAX assumes it is a VT320 where Kermit behaves as a VT100. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 21:58:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:52:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:52:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: C-Kermit scripting & VMS ... odd? Date: 8 Aug 1995 21:58:51 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 58 Distribution: world Message-Id: <408mms$e47@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3388 comp.os.vms:107296 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, I was going to include the whole script ... then realized it's just about everything you need for a Q&D password stealing routine. While it doesn't take too much of a brain to write a password trojan, I would much rather *not* go down in flames for posting one to Usenet. Thus, I'll post the offending bits (mind you, not the naughty bits) and hope someone can dredge up what is wrong: ; output \13 input 20 Username: if fail error {Unable to connect} output \%n\13 input 20 Password: if fail error {Unable to connect} output \%p\13 output \13 input 5 Username: if failure goto gooduser echo must have a bad password goto eof ; got the username prompt, must be a bad password :gooduser echo \10\10made it to gooduser\10\10 connect ; quit, return to login procedure. quit ; On a Unix box, this bit will do what we want. We pull in the username and password, check it against the "permitted users" list and pass it to the login routine via a telnet connection. Good password - pass through and the user is online. Bad password - they get dumped. VMS (CKVVTGV.EXE 5A(190) 4 Oct 1994) unfortunately doesn't work this way exactly. The routine passes the username & password, looks for anything to indicate that the password was bad (an extra return would force a new 'Username:' prompt on the first login attempt) and *not finding it* would allow the user to login ... at which point C-Kermit blows up: %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=05, virtual address=63207427, PC=00066A0E, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC CKVCON ckcgetc 6053 000000C6 00066A0E CKVCON conect 6301 000005DA 0006708E CKUUS4 doconect 8625 00000049 0006D24D CKUUSR docmd 7163 000003B2 00067F72 CKUUS5 parser 7013 0000066A 0004EDFA CKCMAI main 6657 00000302 0004D702 Looks like it's not happy about not finding that it shouldn't let the user login (not enough negatives in that sentence, no??) Anyone run into this one yet? andrew. 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From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 09:42:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 20:53:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 20:53:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection Message-Id: <1995Aug9.154237.58499@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Aug 95 15:42:37 MDT References: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> <1995Aug8.082408.58352@cc.usu.edu> <409uom$apq@kelly.teleport.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 84 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <409uom$apq@kelly.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > I'll _try_ to recast this coherently... :-) > > Joe D. wrote: > > # I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a > #stab at matters. > # SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations > #on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved > #since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast > #medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP > #Packet Driver. > > Right... I'm thinking of the connection as running > something like this: > > [My DOS app] -> [SLIP or PPP client] -> [Serial card] -> > [My modem] -> [Telephone network] -> [Server's modem] -> > [Server's port] -> [SLIP or PPP server] -> [Server's LAN] -> > [LAN's TCP/IP gateway] -> Internet stuff... > > # Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible > #for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host > #and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it > #is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you > #have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, > > I don't know about the Ciscos' configurations either, > although I can get some information from the server prompt using > the 'show' command with various extensions. I have asked the > support office here re the manuals... which they couldn't locate! > > #gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect > #of "the other end." > # > I'm thinking that the server, attempting to link me to > the Net, can't resolve the gateway's IP address into a valid > Ethernet address, and sends some message to this effect back to > the client. Since the client (DOS Kermit in this case) is > attached to the server via SLIP/PPP, the message is passed over > the link layer back to my SLIP/PPP driver, which complains to > Kermit; the link layer has nothing to do with all this beyond > hauling datagrams back and forth. > > All this is based on my exceedingly limited knowledge of > networking of course. I'm probably out to lunch on some of it. > > # EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been > #able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as > #it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it. > # > Yup, configuring EtherPPP is a unique experience. It > works great now that I've figured out the settings my machine > likes. But that doesn't mean I've found a configuration which > would work everywhere. To return to the topic, the ARP problem > appears to occur independent of the driver (I have tried two > EtherPPP releases as well as the {,C}Slipper drivers). With the > earlier Kermit no problem. With the recent Kermit, the ARP error > is returned. > > # Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't > #seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense, > #then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. > # > Right. An inadvertent red herring on my part... > > I don't know if what I have added is helpful in > diagnosing the problem. I would be more than happy to mail in > session transcripts, config files &c. if this would help. I > suppose I've used enough bandwidth on this question at any rate. > > Thanks... ------------- I fired up CSLIPPER with no command line arguments so it behaved as a straight SLIP Packet Driver. I ran MS-DOS Kermit over it to our modem pool (Telebit Netblazers) and used both domain name servers and far away machine addresses, all with no difficulty. I set the MSK TCP/IP IP address from the text line the modem pool gave me upon starting SLIP there. I notice that CSLIPPER has an ARP/IP Ethernet faker option. Without knowing in detail what it does I would recommend not activating that faker with Kermit. From this I am tempted to conclude that the IP environment outside of Kermit is causing the difficulties you note. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 00:21:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:36:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 21:36:54 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:21:36 GMT Message-Id: References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jerry Wallace wrote: >Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: > >> [ ... snip ... ] >> >>If Frank agrees to remove the discredited "True-Life Benchmarks" >>from Columbia's FTP site, or agrees to a fair public rerun of >>those benchmarks, we can bury the hatchet. > >Nevertheless, you are losing business because of your attitude in >this group. Your constant snippy remarks have alienated me from I am sorry if my responses to the attacks on ZMODEM offend you. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM http://www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 04:52:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 23:07:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Aug 1995 23:07:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!DIALix!not-for-mail From: mcs@perth.DIALix.oz.au (Matrix Link) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Z-modem Date: 9 Aug 1995 12:52:12 +0800 Organization: DIALix Services, Perth, Australia. Lines: 15 Sender: mcs@perth.DIALix.oz.au Message-Id: <409ets$244$1@perth.DIALix.oz.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: mcs@perth.dialix.oz.au Keywords: Z-modem Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for a specification of the Z-modem protocol. If anyone has or knows of a text on Z-modom or any spec which details the protocol could you please let me know. Thanks Jeff Sinclair MicroCell Systems PS since this is a company account could you place "Jeff" somewhere in the subject line of any direct replies. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 21:40:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:32:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 00:32:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!salliemae!uunet!in2.uu.net!ulowell.uml.edu!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!newshub.gmr.com!news.delcoelect.com!usenet From: jccookma@koadh001.delcoelect.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Displaying hex values? Date: 9 Aug 1995 21:40:13 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 16 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <40b9vt$25q@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> Reply-To: jccookma@koadh001.delcoelect.com Nntp-Posting-Host: koaspc0f.delcoelect.com Keywords: hex, 8bit X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.02 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-Kermit for OS/2 2.30, and have 2 questions. 1. Is is possible to display the hexadecimal values of all incoming bytes? The closest thing I have found is SET TERMINAL DEBUG ON which at least displays something for each byte, but I would rather see the values. 2. Is it possible to configure Kermit to use 8 bits with odd parity? Right now if I am set for 8 bits and try to change parity to odd, it automatically switches to 7 data bits. Thanks in advance, Jordan Cookman From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 05:03:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 01:03:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 01:03:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying hex values? Date: 10 Aug 1995 05:03:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <40c3u8$bjl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40b9vt$25q@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: hex, 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40b9vt$25q@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, wrote: >I am using C-Kermit for OS/2 2.30, and have 2 questions. > >1. Is is possible to display the hexadecimal values of all incoming bytes? The closest thing >I have found is SET TERMINAL DEBUG ON which at least displays something for each byte, >but I would rather see the values. No. You could LOG SESSION and then view the received data with a Hex viewer. >2. Is it possible to configure Kermit to use 8 bits with odd parity? Right now if I am set for >8 bits and try to change parity to odd, it automatically switches to 7 data bits. No again. There are 8 bits in a BYTE. Now if you use one of those bits for parity you have only 7 bits left for data. Having 8 data bits and odd parity would require 9 bits. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 19:23:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 02:30:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 02:30:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!paperboy.osf.org!bone.think.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.ca!blaikie From: blaikie@phys.ocean.dal.ca (Luke Blaikie) Subject: non-interactive screen capture Message-Id: Sender: usenet@cs.dal.ca (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: grand.phys.ocean.dal.ca Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 19:23:33 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Don't know if the subject line is quite right, but here it goes. My problem is I want to automate a login to a remote machine (that doesn't have kermit). After connecting to this machine I type 'LIST' and it prints out data to the screen for about a minute. Then I want to simply hang up. Is it possible to capture (into a file) the information using a shell script (UNIX machine) using kermit?? If not, any suggestions for a simple solution?? -- Luke Blaikie ============ blaikie@Phys.Ocean.dal.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 09:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 03:27:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 03:27:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms Subject: Re: C-Kermit scripting & VMS ... odd? Date: 9 Aug 1995 09:35:19 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 69 Distribution: world Message-Id: <409vgn$qm6@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <408mms$e47@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3396 comp.os.vms:107331 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <408mms$e47@cmi.hahnemann.edu>, BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) writes: > ; > output \13 > input 20 Username: > if fail error {Unable to connect} > output \%n\13 > input 20 Password: > if fail error {Unable to connect} > output \%p\13 > output \13 > input 5 Username: > if failure goto gooduser > echo must have a bad password > goto eof ; got the username prompt, must be a bad password > :gooduser > echo \10\10made it to gooduser\10\10 > connect > ; quit, return to login procedure. > quit > ; > > On a Unix box, this bit will do what we want. We pull in the username > and password, check it against the "permitted users" list and pass it to > the login routine via a telnet connection. Good password - pass through > and the user is online. Bad password - they get dumped. > > VMS (CKVVTGV.EXE 5A(190) 4 Oct 1994) unfortunately doesn't work this way > exactly. The routine passes the username & password, looks for anything > to indicate that the password was bad (an extra return would force a new > 'Username:' prompt on the first login attempt) and *not finding it* would > allow the user to login ... at which point C-Kermit blows up: > > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=05, virtual address=63207427, > PC=00066A0E, PSL=03C00000 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > module name routine name line rel PC abs PC > > CKVCON ckcgetc 6053 000000C6 00066A0E > CKVCON conect 6301 000005DA 0006708E > CKUUS4 doconect 8625 00000049 0006D24D > CKUUSR docmd 7163 000003B2 00067F72 > CKUUS5 parser 7013 0000066A 0004EDFA > CKCMAI main 6657 00000302 0004D702 > > Looks like it's not happy about not finding that it shouldn't let the > user login (not enough negatives in that sentence, no??) > > Anyone run into this one yet? I experienced similar problems under the following circumstances: C-Kermit waits for some input to occur, the input arrives, it is recognized and C-Kermit outputs some bytes but just at this time there are still some bytes arriving (a single byte is enough) => stack dump. This may well be the case in your script. After a successfull login your script issues a second CR and at the same time some intro text from the VMS-machine is arriving => crash. To check for a successfull login try to wait for something like "User authorization failure" and issue the CR only if this string doesn't arrive. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 14:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:19:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:19:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 10 Aug 1995 14:58:23 GMT From: paul.coates@illusion.com (PAUL COATES) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <8AED34D.10F5000109.uuout@illusion.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <8AED34D.10F5000109.uuout@illusion.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950810.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 14:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:28:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:28:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 10 Aug 1995 14:58:23 GMT From: paul.coates@illusion.com (PAUL COATES) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <8AEE0CB.10F500010C.uuout@illusion.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <8AEE0CB.10F500010C.uuout@illusion.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950810.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 08:14:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:31:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 11:31:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!cn125 From: cn125@cleveland.freenet.edu (Jerry L. Brod) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS KERMIT, telnet, and WFW Date: 10 Aug 1995 08:14:23 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Lines: 21 Message-Id: <40cf50$9p6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit to make telnet connections from Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I have examined the MSKWFW.DOC file and found that our situation seems to be covered by text #3, situation 3: WFW uses NDIS version 3 handler and its own TCP/IP stack. The text states: An alternative for those owning the Microsoft TCP/IP protocol stack is to run Kermit over that stack. The Kermit command to do this is SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), and that talks to WFW protected-mode agent VBAPI.386. Host selection occurs while talking to the BAPI handler itself. Shims are not needed in this case. This seems like an ideal solution, but I'm unable to find the VBAPI.386 handler in Microsoft's WFWT32.EXE archive. It does exist in the older WFWTCP.EXE archive, but that version does not support the 32-bit protected mode tcp stack that we want to run. The notes with the WFWT32 archive indicate that it is a complete refresh of WFWTCP. Did Microsoft drop support of BAPI? From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 16:50:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:50:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 12:50:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: non-interactive screen capture Date: 10 Aug 1995 16:50:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <40ddc6$ebf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Luke Blaikie wrote: >My problem is I want to automate a login to a remote machine (that >doesn't have kermit). After connecting to this machine I type 'LIST' >and it prints out data to the screen for about a minute. Then I want >to simply hang up. > >Is it possible to capture (into a file) the information using a shell >script (UNIX machine) using kermit?? If not, any suggestions for a >simple solution?? > Here is a simple solution that might work: 1. Write the script that logs in and gets to the system prompt. 2. OUTPUT LIST blah ; where blah is the filename 3. LOG SESSION blah.log ; Record in file blah.log 4. OUTPUT \13 ; Start the LIST command 4. INPUT 200 xxx ; where xxx is the system prompt 5. CLOSE SESSION This should work if the listing doesn't take more than 200 seconds (if it does, use a bigger number) and if the system prompt does not occur in the file text (if it does, the active imagination can conjure up additional tricks to have the host display a unique string after the file is listed). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 12:31:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:24:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 13:24:00 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!mkercher From: mkercher@netcom.com (Matthew Kercher) Subject: Re: Packet length and file transfers Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu> <4052aj$7cc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: USA Date: Wed, 9 Aug 1995 12:31:37 GMT Lines: 30 Sender: mkercher@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <3vrtpa$p0r@gold.tc.umn.edu>, >Jim Scott wrote: >: I've finally managed to get kermit to transfer files reliably and have >: moved on to the next stage -- improving transfer performance. I download >: I've got my window slots set to 31, CTS flow control, 57600 speed with a >: >: 14.4 modem using compression and error correction. My control prefixing >: is limited to three characters. >: If I infer correctly that you are using MS-Kermit on a PC, you limitation may be hardware, not protocol strategy. A lame 8250 or 16450 UART on a serial board or internal modem will loose characters on such high-speed, long packet receive transfers because it lacks adequate data buffering. This causes multiple retries. The longer your packet length, the more data that has to be resent in a bad packet, thus killing the throughput. Keep an eye on the number of retries during file transfer to get a feel for the size of the bad packet/lost data problem. Or go buy a good serial board with a 16550 UART. -- Matt Kercher San Francisco, Ca. mkercher@netcom.com -- Matt Kercher San Francisco, Ca. mkercher@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 08:53:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:38:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:38:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!sony!nntp-sc.barrnet.net!netapp.com!usenet From: Varun Mehta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: transferring directory hierarchies? Date: 10 Aug 1995 08:53:04 GMT Organization: Network Appliance Corporation Lines: 7 Message-Id: <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#DCso88.2ws@lut.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to restore to tar/zip etc? I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks. I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will explain all. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 17:27:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:46:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 15:46:51 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!globe.indirect.com!einstein.emg.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: Escape ?? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 17:27:43 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: tstevens@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help, I'm trying to escape C-Kermit using CTRL-] (control rightbracket) and CTRL \ (control backslash) with no luck. Any help appreciated. Ted -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 19:01:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:17:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:17:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: transferring directory hierarchies? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:01:19 GMT Message-Id: References: <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta wrote: >Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to >restore to tar/zip etc? > >I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks. >I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will >explain all. Professional-YAM can transfer a directory tree with the command: kermit sb -fR *.* Pro-YAM creates directories as needed when receiving files. Not all programs do. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM http://www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 20:50:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:50:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:50:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: transferring directory hierarchies? Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:50:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <40drev$ogp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX wrote: >In article <40chdg$h9k@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta wrote: >>Is there a way to transfer directory hierarchies without having to >>restore to tar/zip etc? >> >>I'm sure this is one of those common questions that pops up every few weeks. >>I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of my Kermit book which hopefully will >>explain all. > >Professional-YAM can transfer a directory tree with the command: > > kermit sb -fR *.* > >Pro-YAM creates directories as needed when receiving files. > Neat. >Not all programs do. > C-Kermit creates directories too, on selected operating systems (UNIX, VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, and OS-9), if you enable this feature on the receiver with SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON and on the sender with SET SEND PATHNAMES ON. It even creates intermediate directories if they don't exist. However, at present, no Kermit program has the built-in ability to send directory trees on the fly. That's coming. In the meantime: . MS-DOS Kermit and OS/2 C-Kermit come with XSEND utilities that let you do this. . In UNIX, you can pipe transfers through tar, or just make tar files and transfer them. . In VMS you can transfer BACKUP savesets. Instructions are in the manuals and update (.UPD) files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 20:51:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:51:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Aug 1995 16:51:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Escape ?? Date: 10 Aug 1995 20:51:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <40drhc$ohr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Edward Stevens wrote: >Help, I'm trying to escape C-Kermit using CTRL-] (control rightbracket) >and CTRL \ (control backslash) with no luck. Any help appreciated. > It's always a good idea to say which version of Kermit you are using on which platform. But probably the answer is: just follow the escape character (Ctrl-\ or Ctrl-], or whatever it is) by the letter "c". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 10 01:07:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:11:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 01:11:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS KERMIT, telnet, and WFW Message-Id: <1995Aug10.070757.58553@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Aug 95 07:07:57 MDT References: <40cf50$9p6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40cf50$9p6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cn125@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Jerry L. Brod) writes: > I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit to make telnet connections > from Microsoft Windows for Workgroups 3.11. I have examined > the MSKWFW.DOC file and found that our situation seems to be > covered by text #3, situation 3: WFW uses NDIS version 3 handler > and its own TCP/IP stack. The text states: > > An alternative for those owning the Microsoft TCP/IP > protocol stack is to run Kermit over that stack. The > Kermit command to do this is SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), and > that talks to WFW protected-mode agent VBAPI.386. > Host selection occurs while talking to the BAPI handler > itself. Shims are not needed in this case. > > This seems like an ideal solution, but I'm unable to find the > VBAPI.386 handler in Microsoft's WFWT32.EXE archive. It does > exist in the older WFWTCP.EXE archive, but that version does > not support the 32-bit protected mode tcp stack that we want > to run. The notes with the WFWT32 archive indicate that it > is a complete refresh of WFWTCP. Did Microsoft drop support > of BAPI? ---------- The answer seems to be yes to your last (BAPI) question. Dan Lanciani at Harvard has been working on a shim for this situation, the archive file is named ndis3pkt.zip, so please contact him at ddl@harvard.edu. An older version is in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu, but please be aware that the rules on MS' TCPIP32 have been very fluid and this older version is probably inappropriate. A cheap solution is to add a second Ethernet board, as silly as that first appears. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 02:36:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 03:08:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 03:08:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RTS flow under Unixware 1.1.2 Date: 11 Aug 1995 02:36:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 28 Message-Id: <40efne$mou@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I had been having intermittent problems making dialout connections on a Unixware 1.1.3 machine, running 5a-189 C-Kermit. Occasionally, a connection wouldn't echo any keystrokes, although I could see TX data going out. I discovered that Unixware is rather untidy about the handling of RTS. If RTS isn't asserted, my modem won't send any data to the system, which is correct, but annoying. I am using the "hardware" port /dev/term/01h. If I use the "soft" port, /dev/term/01s, then the connection is okay, but without hardware flow control. If I run my macro "mmodem" a few times, each of the commands toggles DTR, and magically, on one of the toggles, RTS is asserted. I assume that Kermit is doing the correct thing, as usual, so I am looking for some way to kick Unixware in the right spot. define mmodem set modem hayes,set line /dev/term/01h,set speed 38400 I think for now I will set a macro "start", that will call mmodem three times, which always seems to work. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 5 07:18:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:26:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:26:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news1.digital.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 07:18:23 GMT Message-Id: References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: > >So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some >providers do use or not use them.... > >The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for >downloading files from CIS is: > >- Don't try it? >- You are out of luck. >- better not try it. BTW I tried CKermit 190 on SCO Open Server 5 downloading some .jpg files today, both via modem and via telnet, and it downloaded the files without errors. You might check with Columbia University, HP, or your internet provider to find out why your mileage is worse. > >If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom >program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the >Internet. Professional-YAM has B+ protocol and the ability to use telnet for outgoing calls. But, we don't have binaries for Hp-Ux. We do have source code license for $400, but please beware that TCP/IP interfacing is not well standardized among different Unix systems. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 19:19:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 17:24:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 17:24:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: personal note to Chuck Forsberg [was Re: Kermit download...] Date: 11 Aug 1995 19:19:43 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 13 Message-Id: <40gagf$ot6@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <3vmh57$6ja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jerry Wallace wrote: >you, I don't feel that kermit is the best protocol/term emulator >out there, it has strengths and limitations that I recognize and bit out from the subject line...BUT, kermit emulates tek graphics the best..by far from the others. (although, it's really hard to find other products that emulates tek graphics..and also, you may not need tek emulation though..) - jae From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 21:24:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:11:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:11:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Breaking out of a auto-redial script? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 21:24:01 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 11 Message-Id: <40gdid$1gdu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: troy.ucs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have a Mskermit 3.13 script which will auto-redial our modem pool until it gets a free modem. This can be a time consuming process, 100s of attempts, so we would like to have the option of breaking out of the script loop. So far no key-strokes seem capable of doing this ie it dials until it gets a free modem and nothing stops it . Any ideas out there? From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 22:48:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:27:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 12:27:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!vassun0.macau.ctm.net!sitouwh From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 22:48:55 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 26 Message-Id: <40gj6s$rb0@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> References: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: c9line9.macau.ctm.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote: >subject says it all.. >i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. >what do i need to set for proper display? Try to set the file type to binary in both ends. If the problem still exist, check your host. Some system/OS only support 7bit. For example old version of UNIX. BTW if you want to display ideographics char. such as: Chinese, Japanese, etc. on a host which only support 7bit there some altenative coding formation to work around this kind of limitation. In these case you better rewrite you question and post it alt.chinese.computing. c-kermit can't help you. ---- SAM >- jae =================================================================== SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU Tel: +(853) 963609 Fax: +(853) 511456 e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net AT&Tmail: !hermestech =================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 19:39:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:54:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 13:53:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!vassun0.macau.ctm.net!sitouwh From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: Fri, 11 Aug 1995 19:39:22 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes, MACAU Lines: 84 Message-Id: <40g83f$q78@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: c9line15.macau.ctm.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) wrote: >So, filtered out the flaming about several protocols and how some >providers do use or not use them.... >The answer to my original question about the best kermit (190) setup for >downloading files from CIS is: >- Don't try it? >- You are out of luck. >- better not try it. I would suguest you to modify the set up, the set up is supposed to provide for you to modify. There is no the best setup because speed of your PC, the setup of your modem, and the host that you cannect to, and the delay on the signal reach your PC from the Host all these factory will affect your the best set up for your own configuration, no one else can do it for you. The default setup is aimed for very bad quality of line, thus the overall transfer speed is very low. if you modify the packet lenght for a biger value the transfer speed will be faster, sometime it can reach the transfer speed of Zmodem, which Zmodem 's default is aimed for the line quality far better than Kermit 's default. So if your line quality is quite good, then if you do not modify the setup, you will end up with a very robust, but extremely slow connection. I am using C-Kermit (190) on a Sun System. I set the file type to binary. No. of Window to 5 Tx Pac length to 500 Rx Pac length to 500 3-byte CRC on both end (PC and Host) The is not the best seup for me, but I already have big improvement on speed when compare with default setup. (Note my service provider just upgrade the Host, before upgrade there is a small SUN station, at that time the best pac length for me is arround 1000) your can try to download the same file for many time and change the pac length each time to find the length best to you. >If kermit does not work well, could somebody give me a pointer to a datacom >program which would allow FAST downloads from my CIS account over the >Internet. If you have trouble to handle or loss confidence on Kermit . You need to post that your CIS account accept which protocal: Zmodem, Ymodem, Xmodem, etc. than the people in this newsgroup can tell you the name of the communication program support the protocal you require. Since your are in Swiss then if you download big file from US, please be condiser that even your link between your Local Host or Router is extremely fast, speed of the link betwen Swiss to US might be very slow, in this situation any improvement on the speed at your own would not have much result, unless you rent a private high speed lease line for youself. >It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) I should run on a HP. If it is available from U. of Columbia. Since Kermit was invented for so many year. If is almost impossible for the people at U. of Columbia to port a version of Kermit to HP versions of Unix. ---- SAM >Thanks >Daniel >-- >Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, Niederwangen, HP8702 >SMTP: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) >X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ >If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? >--- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 01:11:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:11:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:11:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit download from CompuServe.. best setup?? Date: 13 Aug 1995 01:11:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <40jjfo$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3uidtu$r5c@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <3var29$nvm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3vsmvh$4v8@hpber004.swiss.hp.com> <40g83f$q78@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40g83f$q78@vassun0.macau.ctm.net>, SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) wrote: >danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) wrote: >>It should run on a HP (HP-UX 9.x) > >I should run on a HP. If it is available from U. of Columbia. Since >Kermit was invented for so many year. If is almost impossible for the >people at U. of Columbia to port a version of Kermit to HP versions of >Unix. > C-Kermit for HP-UX, all versions from 5.21 through the latest 10.x, is most definitely available from Columbia University. In fact, HP-UX 10.0 (and later) is delivered with C-Kermit installed in the /bin directory, by contract with Columbia University, along with all the supporting initialization files, etc. Other UNIX vendors should feel free to contact us to make similar arrangements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 01:28:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:28:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 21:28:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: xferring(displaying) 8bit char.set thru kermit Date: 13 Aug 1995 01:28:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <40jkfu$fgk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <403sen$d9q@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <40gj6s$rb0@vassun0.macau.ctm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40gj6s$rb0@vassun0.macau.ctm.net>, SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) wrote: >jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote: >>i'm trying to display 8bit char.set thru c-kermit. >>what do i need to set for proper display? >Try to set the file type to binary in both ends. If the problem still >exist, check your host. Some system/OS only support 7bit. For example >old version of UNIX. > First of all, for 8-bit display, "simply" make sure that your terminal or window (e.g. cxterm) supports the same Chinese character set as the remote host: usually either Guo Biao (GB) or Big5. Then tell C-Kermit to: set parity none set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent and off you go. Also make sure the remote host does not strip the 8th bit; e.g. use a command like "stty pass8" or "stty cs8 -istrip" on a remote UNIX system, or "set terminal /eightbit" on VMS, etc. >BTW if you want to display ideographics char. such as: Chinese, >Japanese, etc. on a host which only support 7bit there some altenative >coding formation to work around this kind of limitation. In these case >you better rewrite you question and post it alt.chinese.computing. >c-kermit can't help you. > That's not necessarily true. The same idea applies here too. If your terminal or display window supports the 7-bit representation for Chinese such as HZ/B5E3 or ZW (as do some chinese DOS versions, like ZWDOS), then C-Kermit certainly will not stand in the way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 02:48:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Aug 1995 23:46:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!HiWAAY.net!root From: JoeM@hiwaay.net(JoeM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for XMODEM Information Date: 13 Aug 1995 02:48:13 GMT Organization: HiWAAY Information Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <40jp5d$tun@fly.HiWAAY.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: max7-203.hiwaay.net X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize that this is really not the proper place to post this, but I can't find an appropriate news group. Does anyone know where I can find source code for XMODEM? Thanks, Joe McClain From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 06:10:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:00:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:00:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!iafrica.com!ticsa.com!cstatd.cstat.co.za!usenet From: groenea@qtts-nfs-2303.telkom.co.za Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: variable in script Date: 8 Aug 1995 06:10:13 GMT Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 5 Message-Id: <406v45$1ua@grovel.iafrica.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: qtts-groenea.telkom.co.za Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using the latest version of C-Kermit. How do I start a kermit script and read a variable set in the UNIX shell or how do I read a variable declared in a UNIX shell from within a kermit session. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 03:18:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00938 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:52:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 08:52:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!news-1a.csn.net!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cyrillic and msk3.14: character set problem Date: 13 Aug 1995 03:18:48 GMT Organization: SuperNet Inc. (303)-296-8202 Denver Colorado Lines: 7 Message-Id: <40jquo$2f3@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i recently read a russian posting in a usenet group. it was in (old) KOI-8, and i saw it just fine, thanks to msk 3.14's standard equipment. is there any way, using the programs that come with kermit, to get a regular CP866 coded file out of that? or, must one hunt in the great ftp forest for such a thing? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 13:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02881 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 09:58:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 09:58:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: variable in script Date: 13 Aug 1995 13:58:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <40l0du$m7l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <406v45$1ua@grovel.iafrica.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <406v45$1ua@grovel.iafrica.com>, wrote: >I am using the latest version of C-Kermit. >How do I start a kermit script and read a variable set in the UNIX >shell or how do I read a variable declared in a UNIX shell from within >a kermit session. > As explained in the manual (info below), environment variables are accessible within Kermit as \$(xxx), where xxx is the name of the environment variable. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. 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Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 14:01:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 10:01:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 10:01:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: cyrillic and msk3.14: character set problem Date: 13 Aug 1995 14:01:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <40l0k3$mgt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40jquo$2f3@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40jquo$2f3@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: > >i recently read a russian posting in a usenet group. it was >in (old) KOI-8, and i saw it just fine, thanks to msk 3.14's >standard equipment. is there any way, using the programs that >come with kermit, to get a regular CP866 coded file out of that? >or, must one hunt in the great ftp forest for such a thing? > By the time you see it on your screen, it has already been translated to CP866. So the trick is to copy the screen to a file. Dump screen (Ctrl-numeric-keypad-End or ^]f) to file KERMIT.SCN (or other current SET DUMP file), or any kind of print-screen operation (except transparent print), with SET PRINTER xxx, where xxx is the desired filename. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 13 17:18:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 13:57:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 13:57:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: asiegel@primenet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT-CKO101 Date: 13 Aug 1995 17:18:18 GMT Organization: Primenet Lines: 15 Message-Id: <40lc4q$npl@nnrp2.primenet.com> Reply-To: asiegel@primenet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ip020.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running the IAK in OS/2 WARP (blue) and just obtained the subject comm protocol package to use in accessing the OS/2 Shareware BBS. I connect just fine, but can't figure out how to start a DL. I select the file(s) I want and it tells me to start my DL. The screen shows the B00000, etc. I hit ALT-X to get a command prompt and enter RECEIVE F:\DL (F:\DL being the directory where I would like to receive the file(s). It seems to start to DL, but doesn't, quitting after a minute or so. I'm used to ZMODEM in other comm packages which starts DL's and UL's automatically. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong and/or not doing something I should be doing. Would appreciate any help/clues. FWIW, I am able to DL from this host using VMODEM (from the SIO comm package) but it's VERY slow...about 700cps though I'm using a USR Courier V34, as is my Internet provider and the host. This is not a line problem as I get consistant 26.4k connections and around 3000cps DL's in non-Internet connects. FTP Dl's are "fast" though I don't have a number. Thanks for any help. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 12 01:12:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 23:09:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Aug 1995 23:09:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Breaking out of a auto-redial script? Date: Sat, 12 Aug 1995 01:12:29 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 43 Message-Id: <40gv11$edt@newstand.syr.edu> References: <40gdid$1gdu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-93.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) wrote: >We have a Mskermit 3.13 script which will auto-redial our modem pool >until it gets a free modem. >This can be a time consuming process, 100s of attempts, so we would >like to have the option of breaking out of the script loop. >So far no key-strokes seem capable of doing this ie it dials until it >gets a free modem and nothing stops it . Ken, I seem to recall having to deal with the same problem. If I remember correctly, I inserted something like set alarm 2 if not alarm end 1 in the redial loop. It did not make my redialing slower since it replaced a "pause 2" which gave the modem time to regroup before redialing. If a key is pressed during these 2 seconds, the "set alarm 2" command is interrupted; the alarm does not expire, "not alarm" is TRUE, and the script exits, the return code of 1 indicating failure. It's still a little hard to hit a key at just the right time. Prefixing the two lines above with echo Keystroke NOW to abort!!! helps a bit. I hope it helps. - Vince >Any ideas out there? ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 13:09:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:34:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 11:34:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!news From: Sanjeev Motwani Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem Downloading Files Using Kermit Date: 14 Aug 1995 13:09:13 GMT Organization: Information Technology Services, The University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Lines: 13 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <40nhtp$q3s@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: dialup08.geko.com.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A friend of mine is trying to download files from a BBS but is unable to do so despite being able to connect. More specifically, on being prompted to commence download the following is typed in but does not work: ~?kermit -r The problem is apparently due to being unable to connect the Unix stdin of kermit to the communication line. Any pointers or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Sanjeev E-mail: motwani@geko.com.au From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 15:21:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:00:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 14:00:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!intac!usenet From: goldberg@intac.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hebrew in Kermit for OS/2 Date: 14 Aug 1995 15:21:47 GMT Organization: INTAC Access Corporation - An Internet Service Provider Lines: 15 Message-Id: <40npmb$s4o@uucp.intac.com> Reply-To: goldberg@intac.com Nntp-Posting-Host: palpk-s11.intac.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-Kermit 5A(191), Beta.13 (5 April 95) and would like to use the Hebrew font for accessing the ALEPH library system in Israel. However when I enter "set term font cp862" either in ckermod.ini or at the kermit prompt I receive the message "?PCFONTS.DLL is not available in CKERMIT executable directory." The file pcfonts.dll is located in D:\ckermit on my system, which is the directory from which I am running ckermit. The .inf file contains no information regarding the location of pcfonts.dll and my ckermit directory is in my path, libpath, and dpath settings. Can anyone suggest why kermit doesn't find the file, and how I might remedy this problem? I very much would like to be able to use Kermit's Hebrew capability. Thank you in advance for any help, Yechiel Goldberg New York University goldberg@intac.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 20:39:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:02:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 18:02:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem Downloading Files Using Kermit Date: 14 Aug 1995 20:39:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <40ocai$3qa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40nhtp$q3s@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40nhtp$q3s@metro.ucc.su.OZ.AU>, Sanjeev Motwani wrote: : A friend of mine is trying to download files from a BBS but is unable to : do so despite being able to connect. : : More specifically, on being prompted to commence download the following : is typed in but does not work: : : ~?kermit -r : : The problem is apparently due to being unable to connect the Unix stdin : of kermit to the communication line. Any pointers or suggestions will : be appreciated. : Perhaps we should take this offline. Send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu explaining exactly which platforms and which programs are being used on each end of the connection, and which end the "~?kermit -r" is being typed, etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 22:08:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:59:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Aug 1995 19:59:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!frankensun.altair.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!dbrownd From: dbrownd@phoenix.phoenix.net (Damon Brownd) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for MS-DOS Date: 14 Aug 1995 22:08:53 GMT Organization: Phoenix Data Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <40ohhl$8rs@gryphon.phoenix.net> References: <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: phoenix.phoenix.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu>, SCOTT R TAYLOR wrote: >Dear reader, > >I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to >exchange files between the calculator and my PC. If anyone knows an ftp >site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would >greatly appreciate it. > The official kermit ftp site is kermit.columbia.edu. -- Damon Brownd dbrownd@phoenix.net I am the worlds foremost expert..... on my own opinions. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 04:52:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 00:52:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 00:52:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hebrew in Kermit for OS/2 Date: 15 Aug 1995 04:52:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <40p95i$6v8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40npmb$s4o@uucp.intac.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40npmb$s4o@uucp.intac.com>, wrote: >I am using C-Kermit 5A(191), Beta.13 (5 April 95) and would like to use the >Hebrew font for accessing the ALEPH library system in Israel. However when I >enter "set term font cp862" either in ckermod.ini or at the kermit prompt I >receive the message "?PCFONTS.DLL is not available in CKERMIT executable >directory." The file pcfonts.dll is located in D:\ckermit on my system, which is the >directory from which I am running ckermit. The .inf file contains no information >regarding the location of pcfonts.dll and my ckermit directory is in my path, >libpath, and dpath settings. Can anyone suggest why kermit doesn't find the file, >and how I might remedy this problem? I very much would like to be able to use >Kermit's Hebrew capability. Please do not post queries regarding unsupported Beta versions. Please update your software to the current release version which is available either: via ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/cko191.zip via www http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html If you still have a problem with the official release, then send bug reports to the kermit @columbia.edu. Thanks. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 14:09:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 04:04:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 04:04:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for MS-DOS Message-Id: <1995Aug14.190941.100979@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 14 Aug 95 19:09:40 CDT References: <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu SCOTT R TAYLOR (srt1204@utagraph.uta.edu) wrote: : Dear reader, : I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to : exchange files between the calculator and my PC. If anyone knows an ftp : site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would : greatly appreciate it. I thought I'd let you know that you'll have to set your packet length to 90 on send and receive to get kermit transfers to work with your HP. The HP's serial line buffer is too small to accept packets any larger than that. The ftp site for kermit is kermit.columbia.edu. If you have an SX and enough free RAM, you'll want to get the file browser utility to ease transfers. Pop into comp.sys.hp48 for more information. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 8 11:57:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:04:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 05:04:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!news.ssnet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 and EVE Message-Id: <1995Aug8.175724.58390@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Aug 95 17:57:24 MDT References: <408069$q05@pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <408069$q05@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > Hello, all. > > A coworker is trying to use MS-Kermit 3.14 (latest version) to > communicate with our Vax/VMS mainframes from home via dial-up connection. > The modem is connected to our systems thru a terminal server. I believe > he is using Ms-Kermit as a VT-320 emulator. > > The problem: he says that, when running EVE (sp), the text-editor, he > gets all sorts of stray characters on his screen, rendering the system > useless. Any ideas about the cause (asside from the possibility of a > noisy telephone line)? Dunno whether he's done a "do vms" or not. ----------- SET DISPLAY 8, for sure. Get the right terminal type negotiated via VMS command SET TERM/INQ (put it in your login.com). Recommend VT320. Joe D. (typed in Eve) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 20:55:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:24:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:24:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!rider.wharton.upenn.edu!riegera From: riegera@rider.wharton.upenn.edu (Andrew Rieger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need init string help Date: 15 Aug 1995 20:55:27 GMT Organization: University of Pennsylvania Lines: 18 Message-Id: <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rider.wharton.upenn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2-upenn1.1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I don't really know kermit, but I need to support a developer who knows even less than I do. :) He is using a kermit script to dial into a modem pool. The problem is that the modems are sometimes in a upset state and need to be reset before dialing out. I assumed that just doing an atz before dialing would be best. The c-kermit manual seemed to suggest that I should modify the dial init-string. I have tried to do this, but I cannot seem to see what it is before I initialize it, so I do not know how to just add an atz at the beginning. The modem type is V42-telebit. Any suggestions as to how to solve this problem, or a better MTFR would be appreciated. Thanks. Andrew Rieger arieger@lehman.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 22:50:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:50:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11994 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:50:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need init string help Date: 15 Aug 1995 22:50:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <40r8bq$bmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu>, Andrew Rieger wrote: >I don't really know kermit, but I need to support a developer who >knows even less than I do. :) He is using a kermit script to dial >into a modem pool. The problem is that the modems are sometimes >in a upset state and need to be reset before dialing out. I assumed >that just doing an atz before dialing would be best. The c-kermit >manual seemed to suggest that I should modify the dial init-string. >I have tried to do this, but I cannot seem to see what it is before >I initialize it, so I do not know how to just add an atz at the >beginning. The modem type is V42-telebit. Any suggestions as to >how to solve this problem, or a better MTFR would be appreciated. > To paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, "Son, you've got the only manual there is". There is some additional info about Telebits in the ckcker.bwr. Well, a lot... But really, I think all you need to do is: C-Kermit>set modem v42-telebit C-Kermit>sho dial Modem: v42-telebit, speed: 38400 Dial directory: (none) Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off Dial init-string: \{17}AAAAATQ0X1S12=50 S2=43 I\{13} <--- Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13} Dial prefix: (none) Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none) Carrier: auto C-Kermit>exit There it is. But really, it turns out that C-Kermit 5A(190) and earlier support Telebits in a rather unnecessarily convoluted way, the upshot of which is that if you change the init string, you also wind up preventing some other important stuff from happening. In the forthcoming release, 5A(192), matters will be a lot simpler. But in the meantime, why not just do this: set carrier off output ATZ\13 set carrier auto and then DIAL. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 08:21:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:58:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 22:58:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!rzcom.stadt-mh.de!amt10pc10 From: rosenb@stadt-mh.de (h.-j. rosenberger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help: how to get PARAGRAPH character on German keyboard ???? Date: Wed, 09 Aug 95 08:21:02 GMT Organization: Stadt Muelheim an der Ruhr, Germany Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <409rmi$pmm@rzcom.stadt-mh.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: amt10pc10.stadt-mh.de Keywords: emulation, mapping, paragraph X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #0 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are using MSKERMIT 3.14 with the LATIN1-char-set. Everything work o.k., except the mapping of the '-sign! Kermit will send the '-sign to the host as \21, which is ok, because this is the place, where you can find it in the CODE-PAGE 437 we are using. But instead, it should be mapped to \167, its place in Latin1 ! Do you know this problem? I constructed a work-around like this: >; >set key \21 \172 ; ---> " , " >set translation input on ; Uebersetzungsmechanismus einschalten >set translation input \172 \21 ; Zeichen Nr. 172 ---> Nr. 21 uebersetzen > This works for the display, but it does not work for documents, that will be printed, because now there is a strange character instead of ' !!!! PS: Of course, I did check the book and any related documents Thanks in advance HJR From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 12:36:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:29:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:29:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!homer.alpha.net!usenet From: Bill Masters Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: 15 Aug 1995 12:36:45 GMT Organization: Alpha.net -- Milwaukee, WI Lines: 24 Message-Id: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: luna.execpc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Howdy out there in Kermit land ... Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD drawings) to a location in India. Unfortunately the lines over there seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped during the call or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for instance, Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise at that distance is causing this. Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can be used? BTW: I've looked for but can't find any other newsgroups on modems and file transfer protocols. Any better place to post? Thanks in advance. In great humbleness, Bill Masters (bmasters@execpc.com) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 9 09:22:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:58:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Aug 1995 23:58:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!nntp.teleport.com!nntp.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit over IP connection Date: 9 Aug 1995 02:22:30 -0700 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 79 Message-Id: <409uom$apq@kelly.teleport.com> References: <4073r0$ijs@linda.teleport.com> <1995Aug8.082408.58352@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Take 2... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'll _try_ to recast this coherently... :-) Joe D. wrote: # I'm not sure I follow all the details above, but let me take a #stab at matters. # SLIP is a point to point transport mechanism with only two stations #on the wire: this end and "the other end". There is no ARP-ing involved #since ARP is a way of finding one of many stations on the same broadcast #medium (and a serial link isn't a broadcast medium). CSLIPPER is a SLIP #Packet Driver. Right... I'm thinking of the connection as running something like this: [My DOS app] -> [SLIP or PPP client] -> [Serial card] -> [My modem] -> [Telephone network] -> [Server's modem] -> [Server's port] -> [SLIP or PPP server] -> [Server's LAN] -> [LAN's TCP/IP gateway] -> Internet stuff... # Given a point to point architecture "the other end" is responsible #for transporting packets to far away places, and hence it is both a host #and the gateway. Figuring out what to do with packets not addressed to it #is a problem that other end has to deal with. I have no idea of how you #have the Cisco boxes configured. In any case, SLIP has no notion of routing, I don't know about the Ciscos' configurations either, although I can get some information from the server prompt using the 'show' command with various extensions. I have asked the support office here re the manuals... which they couldn't locate! #gateway, or ARP. Any routing which does occur is a pleasant side effect #of "the other end." # I'm thinking that the server, attempting to link me to the Net, can't resolve the gateway's IP address into a valid Ethernet address, and sends some message to this effect back to the client. Since the client (DOS Kermit in this case) is attached to the server via SLIP/PPP, the message is passed over the link layer back to my SLIP/PPP driver, which complains to Kermit; the link layer has nothing to do with all this beyond hauling datagrams back and forth. All this is based on my exceedingly limited knowledge of networking of course. I'm probably out to lunch on some of it. # EtherPPP is the MERIT item, I presume. Honestly, I have never been #able to get that program to work in any way; it always hangs my machine as #it starts up. Thus I have nothing useful to suggest for it. # Yup, configuring EtherPPP is a unique experience. It works great now that I've figured out the settings my machine likes. But that doesn't mean I've found a configuration which would work everywhere. To return to the topic, the ARP problem appears to occur independent of the driver (I have tried two EtherPPP releases as well as the {,C}Slipper drivers). With the earlier Kermit no problem. With the recent Kermit, the ARP error is returned. # Adding to my confusion on your report is "name resolution doesn't #seem to be a problem." If the nameserver is far away, in the SLIP sense, #then that is no different than trying to reach another machine far away. # Right. An inadvertent red herring on my part... I don't know if what I have added is helpful in diagnosing the problem. I would be more than happy to mail in session transcripts, config files &c. if this would help. I suppose I've used enough bandwidth on this question at any rate. Thanks... ___________________________________________________________________ I know that I am man; in the day to come My portion will be as yours, no more, no less. - Sophocles, _Oedipus at Colonus_, 401 B.C Tr. E.F Watling, 1946, after "mainly... Jebb (Cambridge; 1889)." Never a Windoze user and proud of it. Mail: URL: From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 11 07:42:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 04:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 04:13:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!harbour.awod.com!usenet From: Carl.Hilton@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Date: 11 Aug 1995 07:42:17 GMT Organization: Hilton Consulting Lines: 36 Message-Id: <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: chilton@awod.com Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp201.awod.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > MSK does run over TNGLASS. SET PORT BIOS is the Kermit command > to use to find the Int 14h support provided by TNGLASS; don't use SET PORT > 1 or COM1 because that tells Kermit to go to the serial port hardware. I > suspect there is a command in your setup to go to the hardware, and if so > then Kermit.exe command line phrase "-f NUL" is the way to avoid loading > mskermit.ini and other startup files. Reading the .ini files will reveal > if SET PORT x is present. Thanks, SET PORT BIOS is something I haven't tried. > > > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've > >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before > >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. > > MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. > So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration? > > Can someone plesase help. > > What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load > up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of > Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still > applies. This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack? So the ONLY TCPIP program that can be used is KERMIT? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 15:00:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:00:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:00:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: how to get PARAGRAPH character on German keyboard ???? Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:00:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <40t16t$mci@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <409rmi$pmm@rzcom.stadt-mh.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: emulation, mapping, paragraph Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <409rmi$pmm@rzcom.stadt-mh.de>, h.-j. rosenberger wrote: (Dear readers: Be sure to use 8-bit display and Latin-1 character set when reading this message or it will make no sense...) : We are using MSKERMIT 3.14 with the LATIN1-char-set. Everything work : o.k., except the mapping of the '-sign! Kermit will send the '-sign to : the host as \21, which is ok, because this is the place, where you can : find it in the CODE-PAGE 437 we are using. But instead, it should be : mapped to \167, its place in Latin1 ! : First, we should all be aware of the confusion surrounding the name "paragraph sign". Americans think it is the glyph that looks like a backwards uppercase "P" with two vertical strokes (6), whereas Europeans give this name to the one that looks a bit like an uppercase "S" with a circle in the middle ('). The real name for the "P" sign (6) is Pilcrow sign. In this text, "paragraph sign" refers to the true Paragraph sign ('). PC Code page 437 does not contain a Paragraph sign OR a Pilcrow sign. If you want to use Latin-1 as your terminal character set, then you should also set your PC code page to 850, because CP850 contains all the graphics characacters of Latin-1 (but, of course, using different codes): CHCP 850 SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP850 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET LATIN1 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET PARITY NONE Then you can view and enter all Latin-1 characters. Below you can see how I used MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 to enter them into this message: Par Pil Compose ' 6 ; Using Compose Key: Alt-c SO and Alt-c PP Alt-nnn ' 6 ; Using Alt-nnn method: Alt-245 and Alt-244 Neither of these methods is necessary if you have such keys directly on your national keyboard. The Alt-nnn method is documented in "Using MS-DOS Kermit". The Compose key is documented in the KERMIT.UPD file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 15:11:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:11:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:11:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:11:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <40t1qh$mma@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : > > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. : > >I've tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running : > >WINPKT before I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. : > : > MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. : : So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration? : ... : This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack? So the ONLY TCPIP : program that can be used is KERMIT? : Again, the general rule is: Only one protocol stack of a given kind per network adapter. The situation is explained as clearly as we can possible contrive to explain it in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, which also contains a looooong writeup on WfW. The quickest, easiest, and cheapest solution to this problem is to lay out the $70 or so needed for a second Ethernet board. Then you can run two TCP/IP stacks simultaneously. If, however, you want to waste about $1000 worth of your time, you can try to chase down a software solution. Look in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt at item (6) for some possible starting points. If you achieve success with any of these methods, please don't hesitate to report back to this newsgroup, since, to my knowledge, nobody else has done so. Good luck. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 15:17:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21020 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:17:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:17:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: 16 Aug 1995 15:17:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <40t26o$n4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net>, Bill Masters wrote: : Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD : drawings) to a location in India. Unfortunately the lines over there : seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped during the call : or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for : instance, Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time : out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise at that distance is causing this. : : Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better : methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can be used? : Try Kermit. It is designed to work on connections like this. I'd suggest settings like the following (give these commands to both Kermit programs): set file type binary set receive packet-length 80 set window 20 In other words, binary-mode transfer using very short packets and a large window size. This should minimize not only the number of retransmissions caused by noise, but also result in reasonably fast performance and error-recovery time over a link that has a long round-trip delay. If this works satisfactorily, gradually increase the packet-length until the performance begins to take a nosedive. To learn all about Kermit software and documentation, visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 15 20:38:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:42:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 11:42:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bmtlh10.bnr.ca!cocosco From: cocosco@bnr.ca (Cristian Cocosco) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [^@] garbage in terminal session?? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 15 Aug 1995 20:38:49 GMT Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd, Montreal Lines: 28 Message-Id: <40r0kp$l92@bmtlh10.bnr.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: bmtlh571.bnr.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings everyone, I use unix c-kermit 190 to 'connect' via tcp/ip to a dial-out server (modem pool), and from there to dial out ( 'atdt #') to a remote terminal server. The problem is I get a "^@" garbage char on my terminal for every line received, plus warnings like "ignoring null characters" from the "mail" program... Any ideas, hints, etc about where is the problem in my connection will be appreciated. Email preffered. My .kermrc : ---------------------------- set host xx.xx.xx.xx port set telnet newline-mode off set flow-control none set parity none ---------------------------- Cheers, Chris -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cristian Cocosco esn: 852-8826 phone: 514-761-8826 Bell-Northern Research, Montreal email: cocosco@bnr.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 17:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:44:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 13:44:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What are you using Kermit for? Date: 16 Aug 1995 17:44:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <40tapi$sei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It is a time-worn truism that the maker of a product (like Kermit) never hears back from its users unless something is wrong. I would like to get a different kind of feedback at this point, of a rather specific nature: In this world that is rapidly changing from text-based online access to graphical browsers and such, where, specifically, is a text-based communications program still useful? When I say "text based", I'm speaking not about the user interface, but the intrinsically text-based nature of the terminal emulator ( Tektronix graphics aside :-). In other words, when the world is divided up between Web browsers and terminal emulators, what is the place of the terminal emulator (either serial or telnet based)? I would guess in at least the following areas and applications: . Organizations that have any kind of central computing facility -- timesharing systems, text-based online library catalogs, etc. Especially when telecommuting is a possibility. . For accessing BBS's. . For accessing text-based Internet service providers, where the customer basically gets a UNIX prompt (can people provide me with specific examples -- company names and locations, etc?) . For accessing commercial data services that are text based. I believe the following fall into this category. Please correct me if I am wrong, and please let me know about others I might have forgotten: Dow Jones News Retrieval MCI Mail Genie Delphi Discipline-specific services like Lexis, Nexis, Westlaw, Medline . Text-based information services on the Internet like: Library of Congress (dra.com) Weather (madlab.sprl.umich.edu:3000) Geography (martini.eecs.umich.edu:3000) Others... ??? . What else??? The Web is a wonderful thing, but everybody can't run a Web browser, at least not today, and Web browsers do have certain limitations (e.g. regarding character sets). AOL and MSN are wonderful things too, but they lock you in to a proprietary world. I like to think that products like Kermit stand for freedom of choice. What do you think? Please, if you will, just reply to kermit@columbia.edu by email rather than posting, so as to keep the newsgroup free for its primary purpose, which is (I think) tech support. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 18:41:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02464 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:41:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 14:41:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [^@] garbage in terminal session?? Date: 16 Aug 1995 18:41:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <40te4t$1bm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <40r0kp$l92@bmtlh10.bnr.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40r0kp$l92@bmtlh10.bnr.ca>, Cristian Cocosco wrote: : I use unix c-kermit 190 to 'connect' via tcp/ip to a dial-out : server (modem pool), and from there to dial out ( 'atdt #') : to a remote terminal server. The problem is I get a "^@" garbage : char on my terminal for every line received, plus warnings like : "ignoring null characters" from the "mail" program... : Has nothing to do with Kermit. Probably the host you are connecting to, or your terminal server, is inserting the NUL characters because it thinks you have an ASR-33 model Teletype or something, and is sending NULs as carriage-return padding to give the print head time to return to the left margin. Tell the host you have a modern terminal. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 17 02:10:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 22:56:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Aug 1995 22:56:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!not-for-mail From: smurman@leland.Stanford.EDU (Scott Michael Murman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: timeout failure in one direction Date: 16 Aug 1995 19:10:04 -0700 Organization: Stanford University, CA 94305, USA Lines: 14 Message-Id: <40u8ds$oul@elaine46.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: elaine46.stanford.edu Keywords: kermit, fail, bug Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a problem with kermit on Unix boxes. I can download from work or school to my home computer without any problems, but going the other way causes a timeout failure *after* the entire file has been sent. The transfer appears to complete, but whatever the final data that needs to be sent gets a timeout error. This problem is reproducible, but only occurs on larger ascii files, or any binary file. Small text files (10k) will go through fine. I have kermit 190 at home, and have tried versions 188-190 on the receiving end to no avail. It also doesn't seem to matter what the flavor of Unix on the receiving end is. I guess I must have something set up wrong on my home computer, but I use the same initialization files on both sides. Thanks in advance for any help. Scott From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 06:11:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:05:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 00:05:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Aug16.121132.59080@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Aug 95 12:11:32 MDT References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >> What we do on my campus. Use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. Load >> up ODIPKT + WINPKT before entering Windows. Use Kermit in a window of >> Windows (that's Win 3.x and Win95). The one-stack-at-a-time rule still >> applies. > > This will then prevent use of FTP's TCPIP stack? So the ONLY TCPIP program that can > be used is KERMIT? ------------- We've said this in the release docs and on the radio (here) many times: Only ONE protocol stack of a given kind over a lan adapter at one time. We have offered support for running over several other vendor's TCP/IP stacks. We cannot solve the world's TCP/IP problems in one program. It's your choice of what to run, and how, for your clients. Letting a TCP/IP stack sit eating memory while not in use is not a swift idea in these times of vastly bloated applications, so apply thought to unloading what's not used. Batch files still work with Windows, so give them a try. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 17 03:56:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 02:02:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 02:02:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit initialization on TCP/IP Message-Id: <2961@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 17 Aug 95 03:56:15 GMT References: <1995Aug8.075939.58350@cc.usu.edu> <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com> Organization: Internet Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40f1kp$mor@harbour.awod.com>, Carl Hilton writes: [... attribution level lost ...] | > | > > On machine 2. I am running WFW3.11 with MS's TCPIP stack for WFW. I've | > >tried shelling out to DOS and running WINPKT and even running WINPKT before | > >I launch WFW but I keep getting the same error. | > | > MS' TCP/IP stack isn't for DOS programs. | > | | So there is NO way to run kermit from this configuration? Some people have been able to run kermit & MSTCP32 w/WfWG 3.11 together using my ndis3pkt.386 driver. The trick is to use different IP addresses for MSTCP32 and kermit. More generally, you need one IP address for MSTCP32 and one IP address for all your other packet-driver applications. This is because, although ndis3pkt includes a tcp session multiplexor that allows multiple packet-driver-based tcp/ip stacks to share the same IP address on one machine, ndis3pkt has no control over the MSTCP32 stack. If you try to use the same address for both, MSTCP32 will reset kermit's connections and such. Some people have been unable to get the MSTCP32+kermit+ndis3pkt combination to work in configurations that appear superficially identical to those which work elsewhere. I suspect there is some minor detail of interest to be found here, but I don't know what it is. :) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 17 14:29:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:33:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 12:33:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!wcbst4 From: wcbst4+@pitt.edu (William C Beegle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: 17 Aug 1995 14:29:08 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 24 Message-Id: <40vjnk$rr9@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> <40t26o$n4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unixs4.cis.pitt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40t26o$n4c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: [to someone who wanted to send files over VERY noisy lines] >I'd suggest settings like the following (give these commands to both >Kermit programs): > set file type binary > set receive packet-length 80 > set window 20 You might also want to set block 3 to enable more advanced error correction. If the lines are as bad as you say, a simple checksum might be insufficient. -willie -- -- Finger wcbst4+@pitt.edu for my PGP key. Home - http://www.pitt.edu/~wcbst4 "Caffeine is one of the many substances that have been shown to cause laboratory experiments involving rats." -Dave Barry From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 16 13:10:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:57:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 16:57:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!nova.np.ac.sg!news From: 93202832@comet.np.ac.sg (Edwinder Singh S/o Gurmukh S) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Script needed. Date: 16 Aug 1995 21:10:46 +0800 Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 9 Message-Id: <40sqom$g9b@comet.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone provide me with a simple Ms-Kermit redial script? Please email. Thank you in advance. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwin aka Wolf Email: 93202832@np.ac.sg Sometimes it's only madness that makes us what we are. Batman - Arkham Asylum ---------------------- http://arbornet.org/~edwinder ------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 14 00:10:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:39:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Aug 1995 20:39:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!seas.smu.edu!!utagraph.uta.edu!srt1204 From: srt1204@utagraph.uta.edu (SCOTT R TAYLOR) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for MS-DOS Date: 14 Aug 1995 00:10:32 GMT Organization: University of Texas Arlington Lines: 11 Message-Id: <40m49o$3ou@utaipx02.uta.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: utagraph.uta.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear reader, I recently purchased a HP 48 and am in need of kermit for dos to exchange files between the calculator and my PC. If anyone knows an ftp site from which i can download a current version of kermit i would greatly appreciate it. Your sincerely Scott Taylor E-mail : srt1204@omega.uta.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 14:05:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:01:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 11:01:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT220 vs VT320 Terminal Type on Unix Date: 18 Aug 1995 10:05:38 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Message-Id: <4126ni$97b@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The default terminal type for MS-Kermit is vt320. Locally we pessimized this to vt102 because our Unix hosts don't have vt320 termcap or terminfo definitions. Now that I know a little bit more about MSK I'd like to change the local default terminal type, in part because some people want to use the Compose key to enter accented characters. vt220 supports Compose and our Unix hosts have vt220 terminal definitions. Questions: Is there any particular advantage to vt320 over vt220? If so, where can I get termcap and terminfo definitions for vt320? What do people connecting to SunOS and Solaris systems normally do? I don't like the thought of having to add a vt320 terminal definition to every Unix box on campus. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 17:02:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:09:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 12:09:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!ddi2.digital.net!ddi.digital.net!rac From: rac@digital.net (Roger Cornelius) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit Date: 18 Aug 1995 17:02:42 GMT Organization: FLORIDA ONLINE, Florida's Premier Internet Provider Lines: 13 Message-Id: <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rac%@ddi.digital.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to connect to a UNIX system. Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get it working. This makes it very difficult to work in applications which rely on highlighting. Is there some way to get stdout mode to work in wyse50 mode, either via reverse video or underline? Thanks. -- Roger Cornelius rac@ddi.digital.net sherpa!rac@uunet.uu.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 10:24:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:46:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 15:46:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.delphi.com!usenet From: Mike Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 7bit transfer of binary files Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 05:24:55 -0500 Organization: Delphi (info@delphi.com email, 800-695-4005 voice) Lines: 4 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bos1f.delphi.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only. I understand that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files even using 7 bits. Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this. Thanks Mike Anderson. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 11:44:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:53:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Aug 1995 22:53:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Novell's Lanwp and Kermit, mixed env Message-Id: <1995Aug18.174403.59276@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Aug 95 17:44:03 MDT References: <41316u$mul@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41316u$mul@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>, Jose Kirkland writes: > Hello, People! > > I have a problem (no!) in that we are running a group of Netware servers, > and are slowly switching most of our folk onto Lan Workplace for the > tcpip.... Many of them are fairly kermit dependent, though, and whenever > they have the lanwp tcpip loaded, kermit fritzes out looking for a > bootpd. > > I have the batch which kermit runs from set up to do a tcpip -u whenever > kermit is trying to start, so that its own stack can play, which > sometimes works, but if a user has done much since the lanwp stack was > loaded, say, entered and exited windows, then it can't restore the int > handler and the tcpip sticks and kermit bails, so an insufficient fix > ultimately. > > So I downloaded the most recent Kermit, which is built to deal with the > lanwp tcpip, and does so nicely, but the problem is that I have both > users with and without lanwp, and can't determine how (or whether) I can > configure kermit to operate with either. I need to make all of this as > automated as possible, as my users tend to balk at things as complex as > "cd ..". > > Any hints, or anyone who has had to get things set up for a fairly motley > environment? > > Thanks in advance, > Josefa Kirkland > pc/Novell spec > jose@bernard.pitzer.edu -------------- Sympathy but not much useful advice from our end. If users have various programs loaded that require treatment before MS-DOS Kermit is run then you will have to develop a strategy for discovering the individual flavors. Recall that MSK also runs over TELAPI (Novell's Telnet layer to apps) so at least you can continue to run MSK with LWP/DOS. And, Kermit is able to read the DOS Environment so you can write scripts/macros which react to information there; use \$(Environment variable name) to get the variable's defining string. The NetWare login script can write to the DOS master Environment; thus Kermit can respond to NW login scripts too. My tuppence worth on users. They are a sly bunch, and they can do marvelous things when enticed. Just watch what happens on 24 Aug no matter what you advise. Full backups on 23 Aug is recommended. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 20:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:46:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 01:46:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!nntp.hk.super.net!vassun0.macau.ctm.net!c9line9 From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any experience with international file transfer over noisy lines? Date: Fri, 18 Aug 95 20:46:50 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 53 Message-Id: <412u7q$gvc_001@macau.ctm.net> References: <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net> Reply-To: bmasters@execpc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: c9line9.macau.ctm.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40q4ct$keh@homer.alpha.net>, Bill Masters wrote: > >Howdy out there in Kermit land ... > >Our company is experimenting with file transfer (specifically CAD drawings) to a location in >India. Unfortunately the lines over there seem to be pretty noisy. We either have the line dropped >during the call or, more frequently (always, so far) we have nad no luck getting , for instance, >Zmodem to actually successfully transfer, always seems to time out, bad CRCs. I figure the noise >at that distance is causing this. > >Does anyone have any experience with this? Are there better methods/protocols (Kermit?) that can >be used? > >BTW: I've looked for but can't find any other newsgroups on modems and file transfer protocols. >Any better place to post? > >Thanks in advance. > >In great humbleness, > >Bill Masters >(bmasters@execpc.com) > > I have this kind of experience. Few years ago. I once download files for more the 20Mins from USA to here in South Asia. First you need a first a pair of top quality modem at both ends, so that your line would not be dropped. Then try to use Kermit as the start point, I prefer version from U of columbia than other kermit protocal bundled with comm. program, as those bundled sometime lack of the facilities to aloow fine tune the performace. First start with short packet (96), windows as 1, then try to increse the packet lengh. After determine the best packet length, try to find the best windows size. Than I would come back to try to modify the packet-length to increase the though put. Windows size play a important factor on trought put of long haul international link. I would use Zmodem on connection(s) known with good quality of line. ---SAM ==================================================================== SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU Tel: +(853) 963609 Fax: +(853) 511456 e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net AT&Tmail: !hermestech ==================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 05:42:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 04:24:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 04:24:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit Message-Id: <1995Aug18.114240.59236@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Aug 95 11:42:40 MDT References: <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net>, rac@digital.net (Roger Cornelius) writes: > I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to > connect to a UNIX system. Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear > to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get > it working. This makes it very difficult to work in applications > which rely on highlighting. > > Is there some way to get stdout mode to work in wyse50 mode, either > via reverse video or underline? -------- I can't speak for your termcap/terminfo material. However, here is the section of Kermit's Wyse50 doc on the matter: WYSE ESCAPE SEQUENCE DESCRIPTION OF ACTION (* = Not Supported) ESC report terminal ident, send 3 bytes "50" ESC ! attrib writes all unprotected cells with attribute code attrib (Blank attribute is ignored) attrib action 0 normal video 1 *blank 2 blink 3 *blank 4 reverse video 8 underscore 40h dim (attrib is a byte with these bits as components, using a bias of ASCII "0", 30h) Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 20:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:01:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:00:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.injersey.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: SREEDHAR.RAMANAN@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring Date: 18 Aug 1995 20:15:15 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 55 Message-Id: <412scj$1fd@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet2.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELLO: I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell Token-Ring Server. I am loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, Token-Ring_Snap for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as follows: STARTNET.BAT ---------------------------- LSL TOKEN ODIPKT 1 99 WINPKT 0x63 IPXODI VLM and NET.CFG --------------- protocol KERMIT bind Token Link Driver TOKEN Frame TOKEN-RING Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol IPX E0 TOKEN-RING Protocol IP 0800 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol ARP 0806 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol RARP 8035 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, Kermit comes up with the following error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway Unable to connect to the host ?Cannot start connection The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and using the Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back as TCP/IP Available. Kermit is not able to make a connection to the UNIX Server, both from DOS prompt and going through Windows 3.1 However, if the ODIPKT and WINPKT drivers are not loaded through "startnet.bat", then Kermit is able to make a successful connection, from DOS prompt, to the UNIX Server. Kermit then is using the ODI packet driver. Any help I can get to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sreedhar Ramanan RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.attmail.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 20:08:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:08:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 05:08:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.injersey.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring Date: 18 Aug 1995 20:08:01 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 55 Message-Id: <412rv1$1fd@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet2.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELLO: I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell Token-Ring Server. I am loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, Token-Ring_Snap for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as follows: STARTNET.BAT ---------------------------- LSL TOKEN ODIPKT 1 99 WINPKT 0x63 IPXODI VLM and NET.CFG --------------- protocol KERMIT bind Token Link Driver TOKEN Frame TOKEN-RING Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol IPX E0 TOKEN-RING Protocol IP 0800 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol ARP 0806 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Protocol RARP 8035 TOKEN-RING_SNAP Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, Kermit comes up with the following error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway Unable to connect to the host ?Cannot start connection The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and using the Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back as TCP/IP Available. Kermit is not able to make a connection to the UNIX Server, both from DOS prompt and going through Windows 3.1 However, if the ODIPKT and WINPKT drivers are not loaded through "startnet.bat", then Kermit is able to make a successful connection, from DOS prompt, to the UNIX Server. Kermit then is using the ODI packet driver. Any help I can get to resolve this problem is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Sreedhar Ramanan RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.attmail.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 19 04:14:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:00:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!cello.gina.calstate.edu!cello.gina.calstate.edu!not-for-mail From: sclaass@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Stephen N. Claassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 7bit transfer of binary files Date: 18 Aug 1995 21:14:39 -0700 Organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <413off$7i8@cello.gina.calstate.edu> References: X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Anderson (andersonmb@delphi.com) wrote: : I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only. I understand : that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files using : 7 bits. Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this. -- Kermit on the pc that originates the failed transfers is probably trying to send the files as binaries. Make sure your files are truly 7-bit ascii files. Uuencode the files if you can't determine this directly because binary files will not transfer over over a 7-bit connection without some kind of translation. Don't worry about changing your data byte size. If you can maintain a connection at all, your 7/8 bit setting is fine. Depending on what kermit flavor you're running, set the default file type to ascii or text. That option may be in your startup script, on a pull-down menu, or...8:) -- steve claassen ------------------------------- sclaass@cello.gina.calstate.edu the opinions i express are my own and in no way do my opinions represent the views of my employer (or anyone else for that matter). From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 21:37:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:35:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 07:35:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!news.claremont.edu!usenet From: Jose Kirkland Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Novell's Lanwp and Kermit, mixed env Date: 18 Aug 1995 21:37:34 GMT Organization: Pitzer College Lines: 32 Message-Id: <41316u$mul@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: horton.pitzer.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, People! I have a problem (no!) in that we are running a group of Netware servers, and are slowly switching most of our folk onto Lan Workplace for the tcpip.... Many of them are fairly kermit dependent, though, and whenever they have the lanwp tcpip loaded, kermit fritzes out looking for a bootpd. I have the batch which kermit runs from set up to do a tcpip -u whenever kermit is trying to start, so that its own stack can play, which sometimes works, but if a user has done much since the lanwp stack was loaded, say, entered and exited windows, then it can't restore the int handler and the tcpip sticks and kermit bails, so an insufficient fix ultimately. So I downloaded the most recent Kermit, which is built to deal with the lanwp tcpip, and does so nicely, but the problem is that I have both users with and without lanwp, and can't determine how (or whether) I can configure kermit to operate with either. I need to make all of this as automated as possible, as my users tend to balk at things as complex as "cd ..". Any hints, or anyone who has had to get things set up for a fairly motley environment? Thanks in advance, Josefa Kirkland pc/Novell spec jose@bernard.pitzer.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 19 13:21:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:21:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 09:21:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 7bit transfer of binary files Date: 19 Aug 1995 13:21:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <414og0$dra@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Anderson wrote: >I have access to Internet by means of a 7 bit line only. I understand >that it is possible to use Kermit to transmit binary files even using 7 >bits. Can anyone help me set up my Kermit parameters to do this. > Yes, it's very simple. Tell Kermit to "set parity space". Then you can transfer binary files. That's it, period. For additional information about Kermit, visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 18 10:16:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 10:40:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 10:40:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit thru Windows over Token-Ring Message-Id: <1995Aug18.161635.59266@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Aug 95 16:16:34 MDT References: <412rv1$1fd@legba.synergy.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 66 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <412rv1$1fd@legba.synergy.net>, RAMANAN.SREEDHAR@MHS-PFG1.ATTMAIL.COM writes: > HELLO: > > I am trying to get Kermit 3.14 to run Windows 3.1 loaded from a Novell >Token-Ring Server. I am > loading both ODIPKT and WINPKT in my "startnet.bat" and have a second frame, > Token-Ring_Snap > for my IP, ARP and RARP protocols in my "net.cfg" file. My files are as >follows: I have unwrapped your lines; please press the Enter key before approaching column 80, thanks. > > STARTNET.BAT > ---------------------------- > > LSL > TOKEN > ODIPKT 1 99 > WINPKT 0x63 > IPXODI > VLM > > > > and NET.CFG > --------------- > > protocol KERMIT > bind Token There are no alternatives to choose amongst, so you may omit the two lines above. > Link Driver TOKEN > Frame TOKEN-RING > Frame TOKEN-RING_SNAP > Protocol IPX E0 TOKEN-RING > Protocol IP 0800 TOKEN-RING_SNAP > Protocol ARP 0806 TOKEN-RING_SNAP > Protocol RARP 8035 TOKEN-RING_SNAP > > Now, when I try to connect to an UNIX Server on the ring using TCP/IP, >Kermit comes up with the > following error message: > > Unable to ARP resolve gateway > Unable to connect to the host > ?Cannot start connection > > The "show network" command of MSKERMIT shows that TCP/IP port is #23 and >using the > Packet-Driver-interrupt: \0x63. Also, the "check tcp" command comes back >as TCP/IP Available. Dan Lanciani may wish to amplify matters here. Basically ODIPKT is relaying Token-Ring_SNAP frames to the application (Kermit). ODIPKT should say this on its startup banner. Kermit understands Ethernet and SLIP frames but not Token Ring. However, you may run Kermit *directly* over ODI with Token-Ring_SNAP frames, but that makes life difficult without winpkt if Windows is active (don't do it, or check the "lock application in memory" box in Kermit's PIF). If ODIPKT reports "class 1" (aka Ethernet II frames) then the problem is probably in your TCP/IP setup. Class 3 is Token-Ring_SNAP. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 19 21:49:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:05:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:05:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: johnbach%net@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Restrict) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Government Restricts Internet!! Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 21:49:52 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <415m77$6u3@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-val-ca1-12.ix.netcom.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu SPEAK UP AMERICA -- MAKE YOUR VOTE COUNT Question: Should the United States Government interfere and put restrictions on the use of the Internet?? 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From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 19 22:02:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:23:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Aug 1995 18:23:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 19 Aug 1995 22:02:39 GMT From: johnbach%net@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Restrict) Message-Id: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <415m77$6u3@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Control: cancel <415m77$6u3@ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 20 23:08:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:11:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:11:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: JMGREEN@cc.snow.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS/Telix Transfers Date: 20 Aug 1995 18:08:24 -0500 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 15 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: <950820170813.202045ec@cc.snow.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, I have been using Ckermit on our VAX VMS and transfering files to and from Telix Kermit. I have had little trouble except that the transfer is at 200cps. (I would use MSKermit if I could make it work because Zmodem has such a wierd author!) But recently Kermit has said "Can't create file" or something like that when it is told to download. (Uploads are still the same -- slow but sure) I have done nothing to the kermit.ini file not to Telix -- indeed I can think of nothing I have done to the system EXCEPT change from NW7 to MS622. What does the group think might have happened? Where do you think I should look???? Please help poor ol' Jim Green . . . jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 20 23:29:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:29:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 19:29:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS/Telix Transfers Date: 20 Aug 1995 23:29:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <418ggg$8fs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <950820170813.202045ec@cc.snow.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <950820170813.202045ec@cc.snow.edu>, wrote: : Folks, I have been using Ckermit on our VAX VMS and transfering files to : and from Telix Kermit. I have had little trouble except that the : transfer is at 200cps. (I would use MSKermit if I could make it work...) : I think this is the real question to be answered. What version of MS-DOS Kermit do you have and in what way doesn't it work? It is hard to imagine a situation in which Telix would work and MS-DOS Kermit would not. Perhaps if you described your configration, connection, and the nature of the problem? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 20 23:55:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 20:10:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 20:10:07 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!bb324 From: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Subject: Giflink? Message-Id: Sender: bb324@freenet.carleton.ca (Chris Benjamin) Reply-To: bb324@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Chris Benjamin) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Sun, 20 Aug 1995 23:55:28 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this doesnt belong in here, but does anyone know where i could get giflink on the net? i didnt know what group to post in. thanx -- ---------------==============>*LOWPROFILE*<==============--------------- bb324@freenet.carleton.ca http://freenet.buffalo.edu/~bs350 From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 21 01:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11309 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:15:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Aug 1995 21:15:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!cf77 From: cf77@columbia.edu (Carrson Fung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: uart problem Date: 21 Aug 1995 01:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <418mn3$cbm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I was wondering if anyone could help me with a problem using the serial port on a compaq aero laptop. I was trying to hook up the computer with a UPS unit in this fashion: UPS--signal converter (home-made)--laptop serial port (DB9) The computer uses a 16550AF UART chip. We use the UPS s/w to talk to the UPS. The problem is the computer frozed when I started using the s/w. My believe is that the converter is sending RS-232C signals (voltage levels) that might be slightly off the tolerance level of the UART. I also noticed when I used kermit (instead of the mfr prog) to talk to the UPS, I got a msg saying "This port operates through the BIOS". I didn't get the msg if I am talking to a modem (external). And if I use the Terminal prog under Windows-Apps, the initialization can fix the prob, and make subsequent progs (like kermit or the mfr prog) works as it suppose to. Can someone tell me what sort of initialization does the Terminal prog use that makes things go right? I believe it might have something to do with setting the right IRQ, but I am not sure. If anyone has a solution, please send me email. Thanks, Carrson Fung From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 21 17:43:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:39:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Aug 1995 18:39:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!news.daimi.aau.dk!guldager From: guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.comm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 21 Aug 1995 17:43:51 GMT Organization: DAIMI, Computer Science Dept. at Aarhus University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: calais.daimi.aau.dk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.os2.comm:1942 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3463 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi... I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the session. The dokumentation mentiones this problem, but I think that I have checked for the errors mentioned herein. Is there any minimum CSD-level for both Warp and TCP/IP ??? Would it help to change some buffers somewhere ?? Can anyone help ??? Thanks in advance /hans -- Hans Guldager Knudsen | Finsensgade 51, 4 mf Stud Comp Sci | DK-8200 Aarhus N Daimi, Aarhus Universitet, Danmark | Tlf. (+45) 86 16 82 55 E-mail: guldager@daimi.aau.dk | Member of TeamOS/2 From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 11:14:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:25:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 07:25:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.american.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 22 Aug 1995 11:14:52 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu> References: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes: >Hi... > >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, running >Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. > >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the >session. > >The dokumentation mentiones this problem, but I think that I have checked for the >errors mentioned herein. > >Is there any minimum CSD-level for both Warp and TCP/IP ??? >Would it help to change some buffers somewhere ?? > >Can anyone help ??? > >Thanks in advance >/hans > >-- >Hans Guldager Knudsen | Finsensgade 51, 4 mf I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer! Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 13:44:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:15:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:15:34 -0400 Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit, SLiRP, and telnet Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:44:03 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since I've moved on campus, I've been using a DOV unit on the Xyplex server. I've been trying to get SLiRP to work, and most things work fine (I'm able to read news, browse the web, etc.), but perhaps the most important thing, telnet, does not work. It doesn't matter if I use C-Kermit's telnet, OS/2 telnet, or whatever. Over the summer, when I was dialing in to the Physics Computer Network's Annex server, everything worked fine, so it seems to point to the Xyplex server. I've tried "set session passall." Actually, I've tried everything in the Xyplex's manual. I've also tried every configuration of flow control, prefixing, etc. (including the most holy 255). Please help. SLIP is great, but it won't be complete without telnet. Thanks, Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 14:36:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:36:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 10:36:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 22 Aug 1995 14:36:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <41cq17$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: : In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes: : >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, : >running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. : > : >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the : >session. : : I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using : kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not : been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note : that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens : reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer! : If this happens when Kermit is in terminal (CONNECT) mode, the first thing to try is Alt-r (RESET). Explanation: perhaps Kermit has received an APC, DCS, or other escape sequence which introduces a string of arbitrary length, which must be terminated by another escape sequence called ST (String Terminator). Now if an APC, DCS, etc, shows up by accident -- e.g. as garbage, or because of a terminal-type or character-set mismatch, then Kermit will wait forever for the ST that isn't coming, and will therefore appear to be hung. Solution: RESET the terminal emulator with ST. This is not, by the way, a shortcoming of Kermit -- it's exactly how VT220 and VT320 terminals work. And, unlike the real terminals, Kermit *does* give you a reset button :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 16:04:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:14:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:14:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit sending CR/LF, instead of just CR? Date: Tue, 22 Aug 1995 16:04:50 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <41cv1s$l0b@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-141.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) wrote: > We've started trying to talk to some modems on a terminal server >using kermit. We can telnet to the modem, but when we send a dial string >it would appear that we're getting more than just a CR when we type a CR. Tan, CKermit has the command: set terminal newline-mode [on, off] (convert CR to CRLF) I quote from "Using CKermit" ... "Normally OFF. Don't use this one unless your CONNECT-mode screens look loke they need it. The normal indications are that the remote host does not respond to your commands, or that your commands over-write one another." And MSKermit has: set terminal newline [on, off] From "Using MS-DOS Kermit" ... "Normally when you press the Enter Key, Kermit sends a carriage return only. SET TERMINAL NEWLINE ON makes it send both a carriage return and linefeed, which is useful in PC-to-PC communications. Perhaps you've got it turned on. If this is not the case, please supply more information about the undesired effects. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 15:55:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:43:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 12:43:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit, SLiRP, and telnet Date: 22 Aug 1995 11:55:18 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 24 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-Reply-To: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu's message of Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:44:03 GMT X-Posting-Software: (ding) Gnus v0.99.17 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.99.17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I can think of two things to try: If you're using a version of SLiRP older than 0.9o, upgrade to 0.95e. If you're using SLiRP 0.95e, try using 0.9o instead. If neither of these work you might want to ask over on alt.dcom.slip-emulators. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.3, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBMDn9wp6VRH7BJMxHAQE/IQP/SwYfzZgTWGB+gDDEodWNJolhm34fFwcI VEmR8DW7jD255QJXhPjomTazljaK0/oOux/ubWUd08MDYiWocS/yd1+J4wPgU45m WInxJUAnyzV/P8bBgO/kP2/hp8EAm4afO8Q9cc8mIFuuMVkk1WfZMplJaRtzjYwc QF1lCAriqgs= =kpd8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ When in doubt, cop an attitude. -A cat's \ guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/~ratinox \ From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 16:54:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:40:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 13:40:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!ftpbox!mothost!newdelph.cig.mot.com!tapir!broezell From: broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Marco Not Being Set Date: 22 Aug 1995 16:54:16 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 130 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <41d23o$gli@newdelph.cig.mot.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tapir.rtsg.mot.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using the standard .kermrc file (ckermit.ini) I find that the built in Macro UNIXLOGIN is not being set. If I do a show macros I get the following output: Macros: _dialdir = /home/tapir/broezell/.kdd _forx = _assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,- define \\\%1 \%2,- :top,- if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto bot,- \%6,- :inc,- incr \\\%1 \%4,- goto top,- :bot,- _putargs},- def break goto bot,- def continue goto inc,- do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },- _assign _for\v(cmdlevel) _myinit = /home/tapir/broezell/.mykermrc _send = asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- else send \%1 _servicedir = /home/tapir/broezell/.ksd _while = _assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,- :inc,- \%1,- \%2,- goto inc,- :bot,- _putargs},- _def break goto bot,- _def continue goto inc,- do _whi\v(cmdlevel),- _assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) _xif = _assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,- \%1,- _putargs},- do _if\v(cmdlevel),- _assign _if\v(cmdlevel) access = echo { Services directory not available.} bget = remote set file type binary,- if success get \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 binary = set file type binary bsend = binary,- _send \%1 \%2 edit = if = \v(argc) 2 assign myfile \%1,- if not def myfile echo Edit what?,- else run \m(myeditor) \m(myfile) fast = ech FAST file transfer settings - use at your own risk...,- set win 5,- set rec packet 5000,- set contr u all,- set con p 0 1 3 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 fatal = if def \%1 echo \%1,- if not = \v(local) 0 hangup,- stop 1 ibm-linemode = set parity mark,- set dupl half,- set handsh xon,- set flow none list = echo { Services directory not available.} myeditor = vi myfile = .kermrc pcget = apc server,- msleep 200,- if not eq "\v(ftype)" "" remote set file type \v(ftype),- xif def \%2 { get,- \%1,- \%2,- asg _tmp \v(status) } else { get \%1,- asg _tmp \v(status) },- fin,- end \m(_tmp) pcsend = asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- set delay 1,- apc receive,- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- else send \%1 robust = set win 1,- set rec packet 90,- set con p all text = set file type text tget = remote set file type text,- if success get \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 tsend = text,- _send \%1 \%2 vtprint = echo \27[5i,- type \%1,- echo \27[4i Entering UNIXLOGIN gives the following: ?No keywords match - unixlogin Am I doing something wrong here? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 21:46:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:06:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 18:06:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!pacbell.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-sc.barrnet.net!netapp.com!usenet From: Varun Mehta Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC dropping out of server mode on connect Date: 22 Aug 1995 21:46:00 GMT Organization: Network Appliance Corporation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41dj6o$8kg@netapp.netapp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.9.200.16 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#41cv41$t3l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to transfer files from one PC to another. I set up PC A as a server as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit." When I dial in from PC B, as soon as the two modems connect, PC A drops out of server mode and goes back to command line mode. This makes it impossible to transfer files. Perhaps there's a control character that PC B is sending to PC A that's causing the latter to drop out of server mode? This doesn't happen when I use PC B as a server and dial in from PC A. PC A has a Best Data 14.4 Smart One modem and PC B has a US Robotics Sportster 14.4 modem and I'm using the appropriate .scr files for both. I guess I should check if ctl-C or alt-X are escaped? Or could it be something else? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 00:06:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:16 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:06:08 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu was cancelled from within trn. -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 00:06:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09306 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 20:43:21 -0400 Control: cancel Newsgroups: purdue.cc.general,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: cancel Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 00:06:38 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu was cancelled from within trn. -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 23 01:48:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:01:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Aug 1995 23:01:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nwfocus.wa.com!nwestnews!usenet From: robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.palmtops Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) question? Date: 22 Aug 1995 18:48:50 -0700 Organization: McCaw Cellular Communications, Inc. Lines: 9 Sender: robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com Message-Id: Reply-To: robert.nicholson@mccaw.com Nntp-Posting-Host: seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.99.11 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3472 comp.sys.palmtops:29609 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a HP200LX and a C-Kermit 5A(190) running on a NeXT Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? ie. I want LF to translate to CR/LF. -- The views and opinions expressed in this article are those of the poster and not his employer. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 05:57:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:25:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 04:25:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: wy50 stdout mode in mskermit Date: 23 Aug 1995 05:57:00 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-Id: <41efvc$v6@bug.rahul.net> References: <412h3i$8u3@ddi2.digital.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Roger Cornelius (rac@digital.net) wrote: : I'm using mskermit 3.14 on an IBM clone with set term type wyse50 to : connect to a UNIX system. Kermit's wy50 emulation doesn't appear : to include stdout mode, or at least I can't figure out how to get I don't use the wy50 mode personally, but it is in use in my office. The people who use it are quite impressed with the highlighting and colors that appear, in what ProcommPlus for Windows treated as a monochrome adventure. Perhaps your wy50 terminfo needs some tuning. I think I have a stock ESIX SVR4.0.4 system, but someone might have made changes. Send email for some followup. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 10:09:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:31:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:31:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!daily-planet.execpc.com!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: font@MCS.COM (Font) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) question? Date: 23 Aug 1995 05:09:15 -0500 Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <41euob$39q@Venus.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com (Robert Nicholson) writes: >I have a HP200LX and a C-Kermit 5A(190) running on a NeXT >Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? >ie. I want LF to translate to CR/LF. Don't quote me on this, but you may want to check out the SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY and/or SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE commands. As the help says, "Type SHOW TERMINAL to see current terminal settings." -- font@mcs.net Wishes are like dishes. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 10:01:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:53:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 06:53:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!ecostat!eco891950 From: eco891950@ecostat.aau.dk (CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit ? Date: 23 Aug 95 10:01:13 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat> Nntp-Posting-Host: ecostat.aau.dk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP) And what is the latest version? Thanks Chr. Wounlund From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:12:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:17:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 07:16:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!freenet.buffalo.edu!bp469 From: bp469@freenet.buffalo.edu (Nathan G. Finstuen) Subject: Where can I find individual Kermit files?? Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Organization: Buffalo Free-Net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 08:12:33 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find MSKERMIT.INI and MSCUSTOM.INI without having to download the whole file again. As you can probably figure out, I screwed them up trying to tweak them out! :( -- ....................................................................... | Nathan Finstuen 405 Lilly Court | | Electronics Technician Holmen, WI 54636 | ....................................................................... From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 13:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:53:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 11:53:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!paladin.american.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CKermit for OS/2 freezes Date: 23 Aug 1995 13:46:52 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <41fbgc$iqn@news.jhu.edu> References: <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu> <41cq17$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <41cq17$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <41ce7c$ae9@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: >: In <41agkn$315@belfort.daimi.aau.dk>, guldager@daimi.aau.dk (Hans Guldager Knudsen) writes: >: >I have problems with Ckermit (5A191) for OS/2 on IBM-pentium machines, >: >running Warp (danish) and IBM TC/PIP 2.0. >: > >: >Sometimes (often) kermit freezes, and the only thing to do, is to kill the >: >session. >: >: I have this problem too. When I telnet over to the unix machines using >: kermit, kermit occaisonally freezes and I have to kill kermit. I have not >: been able to reproduce it at will which is why I haven't reported it. Note >: that this is distinct from having my whole machine freeze which happens >: reasonably often when I have my modem set to autoanswer! >: >If this happens when Kermit is in terminal (CONNECT) mode, >the first thing to try is Alt-r (RESET). > >- Frank Again, this works sometimes but not always. Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 16:03:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:59:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 13:59:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit sending CR/LF, instead of just CR? Date: 22 Aug 1995 16:03:13 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 20 Message-Id: <41cv41$t3l@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tan@hillae.com (Tan Bronson) writes: > We've started trying to talk to some modems on a terminal server >using kermit. We can telnet to the modem, but when we send a dial string >it would appear that we're getting more than just a CR when we type a CR. > > Can this be controled from kermit? > Is this a telnet parameter? Try SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE RAW Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 22:26:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:03:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 20:03:15 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!wega.fibronics.de!odb!incom!win From: win@incom.rhein-main.de (Winfried Koenig) Subject: Help, can't use 'kermit -l file_descriptor' Organization: Individual Network, Rhein-Main Date: Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:26:45 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use C-Kermit cku190 compiled with "make unixwarenetc" and want to start kermit with an open file descriptor. If I use kermit -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx or kermit -b 19200 -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx kermit response is "Sorry, you must 'set speed' first". If I use kermit -l 6 -b 19200 -m unknown -Y -g xxx the response is "unsupported transmission rate". I also tryed to use some different init files (with -y option) but had no success. I call kermit with the open descriptor, from a perl script which has to handle login, menu, lookup for files, renaming ... on the remote host. The remote host does not run Unix has an very limited version of kermit. Any help would be useful. Winfried From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 02:37:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:37:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Aug 1995 22:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!io.org!usenet From: kwstreet@io.org (Kevin W Street) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet arrow keys and vi Date: 24 Aug 1995 02:37:00 GMT Organization: Internex Online, Toronto, Ontario, Canada (416 363 3783) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: harley.net2.io.org X-Newsreader: NeoLogic News for OS/2 [version: 4.2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191). I'm having trouble with the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to a UNIX session via a slip link. I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the same). If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the OA stream as - go to command mode O - open a line A - insert the letter A If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing. However if I do: define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect set key \584 \KUpArrNew then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode momentarily. I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm avoiding with the macro. Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal emulation to work properly? (or how to make the sceen not flash if I have to use the macro). -- kwstreet@io.org Kevin W Street From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 13:26:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:26:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:26:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit ? Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:26:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <41hulj$6bp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat>, CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND wrote: >Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP) > >And what is the latest version? > The best place to find out answers to questions like this is our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 13:32:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:32:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 09:32:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help, can't use 'kermit -l file_descriptor' Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:32:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <41hv0p$6gc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Winfried Koenig wrote: : I use C-Kermit cku190 compiled with "make unixwarenetc" and want to : start kermit with an open file descriptor. If I use : : kermit -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx : or : kermit -b 19200 -l 6 -m unknown -Y -g xxx : : kermit response is "Sorry, you must 'set speed' first". If I use : : kermit -l 6 -b 19200 -m unknown -Y -g xxx : : the response is "unsupported transmission rate". I also tryed to use : some different init files (with -y option) but had no success. : : I call kermit with the open descriptor, from a perl script which has to : handle login, menu, lookup for files, renaming ... on the remote host. : The remote host does not run Unix has an very limited version of kermit. : Kermit's own script language could handle all this, too, probably easier and better than Perl script, but, to answer your question, Kermit assumes that when you invoke it with an open file descriptor, that the device (which could be anything, not just a tty port) has already been set up as desired and the connection has already been made. Thus there is no need to include the "-m modem-type" option. Try leaving it out. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 20:56:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:33:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 16:33:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!usenet From: h970@dmt03.mcc.virginia.edu Subject: What Kermit to get? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: tcl4ppc.mcc.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: Med Center Computing X-Newsreader: IBM RN 3.8c (OS/2 2.0) bugfixed by mittelst@fh-ulm.de Date: Thu, 24 Aug 1995 20:56:04 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking to batch download files from our mainframe. We have kermit for the mainframe and I know there's an ftp site at columbia, but what kermit files do I need to start. The machine will be a pc running windows or dos if need be. Thanks, Tom From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:03:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:29:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:29:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit + TCP/IP Date: 23 Aug 1995 08:03:38 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 57 Message-Id: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Thanks to all who replied to my earlier message regarding connecting PCs to a Vax computer via TCP/IP. One of your suppliers is supplying us a NE2000 compatible NIC. Apparently we are unable to connect the PC to the Vax when using this card. The error message we get is: Cannot access IP type packets Unable to initialise TCP/IP system, quitting. ?Cannot start the connection. When we replaced the card with the 3COM Etherlink II/TPs, no problem. The NET.CFG looks something like this: Link Support Buffers 8 1500 MemPool 4096 Max Boards 4 Max Stacks 4 Link Driver 3c503 Port 300 INT 5 FRAME ETHERNET_II FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 PROTOCOL IPX E0 ETHERNET_802.2 PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II Link Driver NE2000 Port 300 INT 3 FRAME ETHERNET_II FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 PROTOCOL IPX 8137 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II Netware DOS Requester Preferred Server="HQFS1" Name Context=".CSD.SMRT" First Network Drive=F Netware Protocol=NDS BIND Thanks in advance. Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:27:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:33:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:33:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP Date: 23 Aug 1995 08:27:20 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 12 Message-Id: <41eop8$37h@raffles.technet.sg> References: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Further to my previous post, the NIC is the Mitron LX2000/T series. Thanks Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 23 08:29:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:34:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 19:34:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP Date: 23 Aug 1995 08:29:42 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41eotm$37h@raffles.technet.sg> References: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Aaarrgghhh! It's me again! We also have a few DEC EtherWORKS Turbo TP cards. We get the same problem. Regards Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 01:29:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:48:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Aug 1995 23:48:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!silas.cc.monash.edu.au!not-for-mail From: palexiou@silas.cc.monash.edu.au (Mr P Alexiou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for NT availability ??? Date: 25 Aug 1995 11:29:51 +1000 Organization: Monash University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <41j92f$9pe@silas.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: silas.cc.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: palexiou X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject saids it all. An NT port with the identical functionality of the feature-packed OS/2 version would be great. Is any port being planned ? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 14:36:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:36:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 02:36:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit + TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Aug24.203626.59666@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Aug 95 20:36:26 MDT References: <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 105 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41encq$1pl@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > Hi, > > Thanks to all who replied to my earlier message regarding connecting > PCs to a Vax computer via TCP/IP. > > One of your suppliers is supplying us a NE2000 compatible NIC. Apparently > we are unable to connect the PC to the Vax when using this card. The error > message we get is: > > Cannot access IP type packets > Unable to initialise TCP/IP system, quitting. > ?Cannot start the connection. > > When we replaced the card with the 3COM Etherlink II/TPs, no problem. > The NET.CFG looks something like this: Your NET.CFG file looks ok to me. However, in case no one has pointed out a soft spot let me indicate that IRQ 3 is used by COM2 and hence cannot coexist with the network board. Please check for hardware conflicts. In addition, not all NE-2000 clones are created equal, and as they say, some are more equal than others. The overall point is the lan driver may not load properly because of hardware conflicts or the board does not match the driver. In such cases Kermit (and IPXODI for that matter) will be unable to find a board and declare errors such as you cite. Hints on loading are often displayed as the MLID (board driver) is loading; they can be redirected to a log file by > filename appended to the loading command. Here is an example of what I mean: @echo off set nwlanguage=ENGLISH c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\lsl.com >startup.log c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\ne3200.com >>startup.log c:\qemm\loadhi /r:2 c:\nwclient\ipxodi /d >>startup.log c:\nwclient\vlm /mX /v4 /c=c:\nwclient\net.cfg >>startup.log @echo on Further, the MLID itself can report on its state by reinvoking it with a /S argument, such as ne3200 /s shown below: Novell NE3200 Ethernet MLID v2.04 (950405) (C) Copyright 1991 - 1995 Novell, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The following LAN drivers are loaded in memory: Novell NE3200 Ethernet v2.04 is loaded at Segment D7F9h. Slot 6, IRQ 5, Port 6000, Node Address 1B16A7D4 L Max Frame 1514 bytes, Line Speed 10 Mbps, Bus ID 2 Board 1, Frame ETHERNET_II, LSB Mode Board 2, Frame ETHERNET_802.3, LSB Mode Board 3, Frame ETHERNET_802.2, LSB Mode Board 4, Frame ETHERNET_SNAP, LSB Mode (I have four frame kinds loaded for experimental purposes; only one, Ethernet_II, is needed and recommended for general use.) Reinvokation this way does not install a second instance of the driver, so this is a safe test. Finally, if you have another TCP/IP stack operating over the same board then the same error message will be produced. The rule is only one protocol stack of the same kind over one board. Joe D. > Link Support > Buffers 8 1500 > MemPool 4096 > Max Boards 4 > Max Stacks 4 > > Link Driver 3c503 > Port 300 > INT 5 > FRAME ETHERNET_II > FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 > PROTOCOL IPX E0 ETHERNET_802.2 > PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II > > Link Driver NE2000 > Port 300 > INT 3 > FRAME ETHERNET_II > FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 > PROTOCOL IPX 8137 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL IP 800 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL ARP 806 ETHERNET_II > PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II > > Netware DOS Requester > Preferred Server="HQFS1" > Name Context=".CSD.SMRT" > First Network Drive=F > Netware Protocol=NDS BIND > > Thanks in advance. > > Robert > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | > | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | > | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 12:31:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:31:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:31:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for NT availability ??? Date: 25 Aug 1995 12:31:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <41kfrp$bt2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41j92f$9pe@silas.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41j92f$9pe@silas.cc.monash.edu.au>, Mr P Alexiou wrote: : An NT port with the identical functionality of the feature-packed : OS/2 version would be great. : Yes. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 22 13:03:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:36:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 08:36:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC dropping out of server mode on connect Message-Id: <1995Aug22.190359.59497@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Aug 95 19:03:59 MDT References: <41dj6o$8kg@netapp.netapp.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41dj6o$8kg@netapp.netapp.com>, Varun Mehta writes: > I'm trying to transfer files from one PC to another. I set up PC A as a > server as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit." When I dial in from PC B, > as soon as the two modems connect, PC A drops out of server mode and > goes back to command line mode. This makes it impossible to transfer files. > > Perhaps there's a control character that PC B is sending to PC A that's > causing the latter to drop out of server mode? This doesn't happen when > I use PC B as a server and dial in from PC A. > > PC A has a Best Data 14.4 Smart One modem and PC B has a US Robotics > Sportster 14.4 modem and I'm using the appropriate .scr files for both. > I guess I should check if ctl-C or alt-X are escaped? Or could it be Alt-x is not a control code and has no ASCII representation. Try SET DEBUG ON and/or LOG PACKETS to see what the answering modem is sending to Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 18:26:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:26:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 14:26:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet arrow keys and vi Date: 25 Aug 1995 18:26:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <41l4kg$q5f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org>, Kevin W Street wrote: : I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191). I'm having trouble with : the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to : a UNIX session via a slip link. I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the : same). If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the OA stream : as - go to command mode : O - open a line : A - insert the letter A : : If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing. : : However if I do: : define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect : set key \584 \KUpArrNew : then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode : momentarily. : : I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm : avoiding with the macro. Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal : emulation to work properly? (or how to make the sceen not flash if I : have to use the macro). -- kwstreet@io.org Kevin W Street : This would be a bug. Evidently you have discovered the workaround :-) It will be fixed in the next release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 25 23:24:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:53:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Aug 1995 19:53:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!nwfocus1.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!usenet From: kmhouse@halcyon.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit wil *not* drop connection to machine "B" Date: 25 Aug 1995 23:24:45 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 4 Message-Id: <41lm3t$d4p@news1.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: halcyon.com Summary: Machine in server mode will not accept "bye" or "finish" command Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit bye finish From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 26 14:59:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:51:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Aug 1995 23:51:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit ? Date: 27 Aug 1995 00:29:46 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 15 Message-Id: <41nct2$4op@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <1995Aug23.100113@ecostat> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu CHRISTIAN WOUNLUND (eco891950@ecostat.aau.dk) wrote: : Where can I download MS-kermit ? (FTP) : And what is the latest version? : Chr. Wounlund Filename: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.zip Version: 3.14, 21 May 1995. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 04:57:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 01:51:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 01:51:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!nova.voicenet.com!omni.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer through shell account? Date: 27 Aug 1995 00:57:04 -0400 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access (800)835-5710 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: omni.voicenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account. From there, I telnet to "Host B". Is it possible to transfer files between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop? Host B has kermit but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files. TIA, -- Bob Dougherty I speaks fer meselfk bobd@omni.voicenet.com And not no one elsek. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 13:55:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 09:55:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 09:55:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account? Date: 27 Aug 1995 13:55:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41ptfk$466@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com>, Bob Dougherty wrote: >I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account. >From there, I telnet to "Host B". Is it possible to transfer files >between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop? Host B has kermit >but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files. > Yes. Just tell Kermit to "set parity space". Use short packets, small windows, don't unprefix control characters; if that works, then work up until you achieve peak performance. Or use "rlogin -8" rather than TELNET. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 17:23:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:50:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:50:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!koala.melbpc.org.au From: Graham Jenkins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SESSION.LOG .. Is there a way to make it wrap? Date: Sun, 27 Aug 95 17:23:44 GMT Lines: 19 Message-Id: <809544224@gkja> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: koala.melbpc.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 on an IBM-Clone to give me a console on a Unix mainframe. The theory is that if the mainframe dies, pre-death messages will still be stored in the PC's session log. So what I need is a way to make the session log wrap around (or swap logfiles) when it reaches (say) 5000 lines. Does anyone have a way of doing this on the fly? I am aware that some of what I need is covered through screen rollback - but the PC is a VERY ancient 286 (!) with limited memory - and if I retain more than about 16 pages, I don't have enough memory to do 'run' commands from within kermit (actually kermite). Besides, if the power dies, rollback gets lost. Any suggestions welcome! Thanks .. Graham Jenkins TABCORP Melbourne, Australia grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 26 23:03:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:55:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 10:55:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: archive site? Date: Sat, 26 Aug 1995 18:03:46 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where's the best place to get the latest C-Kermit for OS/2? The copy at ftp.cdrom.com is build 190, and at hobbes they totally took it off the archive... ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Environmentalist on toilet tissues: "Help save our environment... use both sides of the paper." ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 18:59:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:59:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Aug 1995 14:59:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: archive site? Date: 27 Aug 1995 18:59:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <41qfa2$g1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Roadside Attraction wrote: : Where's the best place to get the latest C-Kermit for OS/2? The copy at : ftp.cdrom.com is build 190, and at hobbes they totally took it off the : archive... : The one and only official ftp site for Kermit software is kermit.columbia.edu. The OS/2 version is in kermit/archives, binary mode, file cko190.zip. Unzip, install, go from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 24 20:23:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:03:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:03:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "set carrier" Date: 24 Aug 1995 13:23:01 -0700 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: <41in35$2sb@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <40r1jv$ltn@netnews.upenn.edu> <40r8bq$bmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <40r8bq$bmo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > set carrier off > output ATZ\13 > set carrier auto I recommend that the keyword be changed in the next release, from "carrier" to "carrier-watch". This would make it a little more obvious that the "set carrier-watch on" command does not turn CD on or off; it tells KERMIT whether or not to pay attention to the Carrier Detect signal that comes from the modem. -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data Services Div, Product Tech Support (TYMNET Code Gen) 2560 N 1st St, MS-5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." http://www.inwap.com/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 01:49:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Screen mode on C-Kermit OS/2 help Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 20:49:06 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I used build 190 for about a week before I installed build 191 (which I got yesterday). I was enjoying 132x43 screen with build 190, which I set at ur... the command mode (whatever that mode is -- the initial mode -- whatever)? And when I type CONNECT after DIALing -- there it is. But after I installed build 191, I found that this trick doesn't work anymore. Does build 191 support anything other than 80x25 or has the support/bug been taken out? ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many bugs does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Just two; but I have no idea how THEY got in there. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 03:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit transfer speed Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:35:25 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as Z-modem transfer at 9600? ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Q: How many bugs does it take to screw in a lightbulb? A: Just two; but I have no idea how THEY got in there. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 18:30:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:30:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:30:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Screen mode on C-Kermit OS/2 help Date: 28 Aug 1995 18:30:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <41t20k$k06@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Roadside Attraction wrote: >I used build 190 for about a week before I installed build 191 (which I >got yesterday). I was enjoying 132x43 screen with build 190, which I set >at ur... the command mode (whatever that mode is -- the initial mode -- >whatever)? And when I type CONNECT after DIALing -- there it is. > >But after I installed build 191, I found that this trick doesn't work >anymore. Does build 191 support anything other than 80x25 or has the >support/bug been taken out? Please read the CKERMIT.INF file that comes with 191 and you will find that as of 191, C-Kermit has built-in support for a wide variety of screen widths and heights. By building this into the program we are able to respond to host initiated screen mode changes and report user initiated changes to the host via Telnet NAWS. SET TERMINAL { WIDTH, HEIGHT } Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 20:39:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:39:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:39:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit transfer speed Date: 28 Aug 1995 20:39:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <41t9hn$q0p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Roadside Attraction wrote: >Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as >Z-modem transfer at 9600? > Depends on the Kermit implementation and how it's tuned. Please read the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 27 14:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:41:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:41:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account? Message-Id: <1995Aug27.200953.59876@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Aug 95 20:09:53 MDT References: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com>, bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty) writes: > I use MS-Kermit on a PC to dial into "Host A", where I have a shell account. > From there, I telnet to "Host B". Is it possible to transfer files > between the PC and Host B, in one apparent hop? Host B has kermit > but when I try putting it in server mode I can't transfer files. -------- Think of matters this way. Host A is running an interactive shell for your PC to Host A communications link, and bytes going to or from that shell move along the wire to your PC. If you run a program (say telnet) on Host A bytes still move the same way. Now, after logging into Host B you put Kermit in server mode on it. You should be able to "escape back" (that means on the PC, ALT-x to get the MSK prompt) and issue get/send etc commands to that server Kermit. The gotcha may be the Host A part is not transparent to material having control codes such as Control-A (start of packet) and Control-M (carriage return, end of packet) which are Kermit packet delimiters. Basically this ought to work IF the Kermit on Host B can talk down the telnet connection. So check the Host B part and maybe you will be in luck. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 15:42:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:51:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:50:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!nova.voicenet.com!omni.voicenet.com!not-for-mail From: bobd@omni.voicenet.com (Bob Dougherty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer through shell account? Date: 28 Aug 1995 11:42:15 -0400 Organization: Voicenet - Internet Access (800)835-5710 Lines: 19 Message-Id: <41so4n$pip@omni.voicenet.com> References: <41otv0$or4@omni.voicenet.com> <1995Aug27.200953.59876@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: omni.voicenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug27.200953.59876@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: (snip...) >and issue get/send etc commands to that server Kermit. The gotcha may >be the Host A part is not transparent to material having control >codes such as Control-A (start of packet) and Control-M (carriage Joe: Thanks for your reply (you too, Frank!). I followed your advice and managed to do some xfers through not one but 2 intermediate hosts! The problem was Joe's 'gotcha': I was originally using the 'screen' program on one of the in-the-middle hosts. Control-A is screen's escape character! Once I eliminated 'screen', I was able to transfer via Kermit. Trouble is, I'd like to keep using 'screen'. Next time, I'll use its command-line option to change its escape character. -- Bob Dougherty I speaks fer meselfk bobd@omni.voicenet.com And not no one elsek. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 18:38:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:51:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:51:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!Starbase.NeoSoft.COM!not-for-mail From: schenke@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Richard Schenke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet arrow keys and vi Date: 28 Aug 1995 13:38:46 -0500 Organization: NeoSoft Internet Services +1 713 968 5800 Lines: 47 Message-Id: <41t2fm$o7i@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> References: <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: starbase.neosoft.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41gokc$g6p@ionews.io.org>, Kevin W Street wrote: >I'm using the OS/2 version of C-Kermit 5A(191). I'm having trouble with >the way that the arrow keys are being interpreted by vi when telneted to >a UNIX session via a slip link. I'm using VT220 (VT100 and 102 do the >same). If I 'set key \584 \KupArr' then vi is seeing the OA stream >as - go to command mode > O - open a line > A - insert the letter A > I had the same problem with true dumb terminals, not emulations. I don't remember the details, but we found several workarounds: 1) try to use h, j, k and l for cursor movement instead of the arrow keys, 2) See if the Unix administrator can provide for a time delay after receiving ESC. I don't remember if this was a system-level setting or a user option for vi. It causes the host to wait for more incoming characters before acting on an escape. 3) change your terminal emulation setting to send ESC [ A instead of ESC O A. Better yet, use 8-bit control if you can, so the emulation will send #8F=SS3 instead of ESC O, and #9B=CSI instead of ESC [. >If I do 'set key \584 \{27}OA' I get the same thing. > >However if I do: > define UpArrNew out \{27}OA, connect > set key \584 \KUpArrNew >then vi works correctly but the screen flashes back to kermit command mode >momentarily. > >I take it that there is a delay between characters with \KupArr that I'm avoiding >with the macro. Any suggestions how to get the normal terminal emulation >to work properly? (or how to make the sceen not flash if I have to use the >macro). No matter how fast Kermit sends the characters, if you go through protocol translations on the way to your host, the ESC may get split into a different block from the rest of the command, and the arrival times may exceed the host's delay time. If you set the delay time really long, it will take a long time for the 'naked' ESC for ending input mode to be acted on. You may include your edit keystrokes as text. (We were first using Televideo 955 terminals, and the arrow keys sent control characters. Then we got Beehive vt100 clones and started seeing this problem. Our resident Unix guru worked the details.) === Richard Schenke From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 05:07:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:23:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:22:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: lgreene@omnifest.uwm.edu (Laura Greene) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: accessing a serial device on UNIX -- HELP! Date: 28 Aug 1995 00:07:49 -0500 Organization: Omnifest Lines: 33 Distribution: na Message-Id: <41riv5$thl@omnifest.uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.70.58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's hoping a kermit/serial device guru can help. I have been trying to access a serial device via unix. (HP-UX, actually). I need to send a "connect" string, and then go into an infinite loop, receiving and processing, a char at a time. (this device sends me a packet of about 64 bits/minute. my problem is that when I have sent the string, my next read fails. I have tried forking, and having one device read and one write, but the read either hangs completely, or GIVES ME THE STRING THAT I SENT IN, and nothing else. However, when I reset the modem, while the program continues to run, everything is cool, and I can do all my reads (though of course, I had not sent my connect string). I have enabled CREAD via ioctl(), and I have what I think is a fairly raw device. so what do I need to do to get the read to work following a write? I have the C-Kermit source, and hacked that down to 1000 lines, and can't see that it is doing anything besides non-blocking IO. I thought that I might have to flash DTR or something, but that wasn't it, nor was putting forks in various places. Anybody got any ideas? I suppose its possible that my fork is not in the right place, forking before or after I actually open the device.... help! I'm confused! it can't be that hard to do what I want to do! thanks! From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 28 09:42:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:26:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 02:26:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: INT14 drivers under MS-Windows? Date: 28 Aug 1995 19:12:16 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 9 Message-Id: <41s31o$7b8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This isn't specifically an MS-Kermit question, but does MS-Windows 3.1 need to be told anything about COM1 when using a 3rd party INT14h driver that appears to be BIOS port 1? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 10:47:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:29:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 07:29:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!ieunet!login.Ieunet.ie!ebairead From: ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Waiting ... Date: 29 Aug 1995 10:47:38 GMT Organization: Ieunet Limited Lines: 28 Message-Id: <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: login.ieunet.ie X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a VAX, kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output through a SERVER command on the VAX. The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running) VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes. My .INI commands are output \64LONGJOB\13 ; @LONGJOB input 9999 machine. ; get the "machine." prompts input 10 machine. ; from VAX KERMIT get OUTPUTFL.DAT ; get the VAX output what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE VAX JOB IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for retries. Am I doing something wrong. LONGJOB.COM finishes up with $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT thanks Eoin Bairead Dublin Ireland From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 12:53:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:53:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:53:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Waiting ... Date: 29 Aug 1995 12:53:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-Id: <41v2kh$d42@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie>, Eoin Bairead wrote: : I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a : VAX, kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output : through a SERVER command on the VAX. : : The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running) : : VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes. : : My .INI commands are : output \64LONGJOB\13 ; @LONGJOB : input 9999 machine. ; get the "machine." prompts : input 10 machine. ; from VAX KERMIT : get OUTPUTFL.DAT ; get the VAX output : : what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE : VAX JOB IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for : retries. : : Am I doing something wrong. : You need to handle failures after each INPUT statement, for example: INPUT 9999 machine IF FAIL STOP 1 Failed - No Kermit server within 9999 seconds. 9999 seconds is 166 minutes, which should be more than ample time. On the off-chance that some counter is overflowing, maybe you could get by with a smaller number, like 1000, which would be 16 minutes. More likely, however, something interfered with Kermit during the long INPUT wait. Maybe you touched the keyboard, or maybe something is messing with your PC's timer chip. You can add all sorts of debugging capacity to your script to narrow down what is happening, for example: ECHO Long INPUT begins at \v(time) INPUT 1000 machine IF FAIL STOP 1 Failed - No Kermit server at \v(time) : LONGJOB.COM finishes up with : $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT : I'd also recommend you convert from Kermit-32 to C-Kermit 5A(190). Not only does it work better and faster, but it has a much more meaningful message that you can look for: KERMIT READY TO SERVE... More info about current Kermit versions at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 06:35:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:08:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 19:08:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Waiting ... Message-Id: <1995Aug29.123550.60013@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Aug 95 12:35:50 MDT References: <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41ur8a$4ns@news.Ieunet.ie>, ebairead@login.ieunet.ie (Eoin Bairead) writes: > I've a Kermit .ini file on a PC (3.14) which automatically LOGS IN to a VAX, > kicks of a (fairly) long job, and then GETs the job's output through a SERVER > command on the VAX. > > The VAX job can take 1 minute (optimal) or 10 minutes (backup running) > > VAX KERMIT is kicked off in SERVER mode as soon as it finishes. > > My .INI commands are > output \64LONGJOB\13 ; @LONGJOB > input 9999 machine. ; get the "machine." prompts > input 10 machine. ; from VAX KERMIT > get OUTPUTFL.DAT ; get the VAX output > > what happens is that I get the File Transfer screen showing WHILE THE VAX JOB > IS STILL RUNNING, and the File Transfer process falls over for retries. > > Am I doing something wrong. > > LONGJOB.COM finishes up with > $ KERMIT SERVER ! KERMIT is a symbol - $SYS$SYSTEM:KERMIT > > thanks > Eoin Bairead > Dublin > Ireland ---------- SET INPUT ECHO ON to watch what the VAX sends to the PC. Also look at CLEAR INPUT-BUFFER to ensure old text is not stumbled over. IF SUCCESS commands are useful to separate cases of success and timeout failures. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 21:58:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:04:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 20:04:27 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!world!werner From: werner@world.std.com (Craig Werner) Subject: MS-DOS Kermit and Virtual Modems Message-Id: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:58:33 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. A friend just purchased an AT&T Globalist Pentium 75 machine which has a virtual modem (DSP chip); that is, no physical UART is present. It recognizes Windows-based telecommunications programs, but not DOS-based ones, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. AT&T Technical Support suggests that he buy an external modem. Is there a way around this, such as a DOS driver or something that would make his virtual modem recognize Kermit addressing? Thanks for all help. Craig Werner From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 00:13:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:26:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 21:26:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:13:15 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? > > Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 09:04:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:54:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Aug 1995 22:54:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!koala.melbpc.org.au From: Graham Jenkins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keyboard file for Wyse50 (MSKERMIT-3.14) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 09:04:39 GMT Lines: 5 Message-Id: <809773479@gkja> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: koala.melbpc.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone have one, or know where one can be got? Graham Jenkins TABCORP Melbourne, Australia grahamj@gkja.melbpc.org.au From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 13:47:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:51:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01523 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 03:51:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 29 Aug 1995 13:47:50 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 14 Message-Id: <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: localhost X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer over the phone line. The unix system is preset to send files as binary and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the kermit prompt itself. Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every line instead of a carriage return and line feed. I've tried giving my own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change anything. Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's? The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0. I can use e-mail, gopher, and www but my system's ftp is disabled. Is there a way to get the latest mskermit using these other methods? Thanks, David Stow From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 05:10:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:24:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:24:16 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: kermit script for unix Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 05:10:10 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just downloaded the new version of ms kermit and have been trying to set up a script as to automatically log into a unix machine (ie, standard login:, password:) and I cannot get it to work. It's like it does not even see the incoming charcters. I have set up scripts like this before for 5A(190) under AIX and SCO, but this is my first attempt at an ms-dos machine. Any helpfull insights for migrating scripts from unix to dos? thanks in advance -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A system without COBOL or FORTRAN || | (419) 882-1113 || | is like a piece of chocolate cake || | FAX (419) 882-2911 || | without ketchup and mustard || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 29 17:10:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:46:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19315 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 07:46:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!psgrain!fizban.solace.mh.se!vampire.xinit.se!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita.tip.net!mikasa.iol.it!news From: Paolo Franzi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows 95 version Date: 29 Aug 1995 17:10:59 GMT Organization: Multimedia Point srl Lines: 3 Message-Id: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: sw24-251.iol.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 09:47:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:15:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:15:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.palmtops Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpcpb!mark From: mark@bri.hp.com (Mark Simms) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) question? Sender: news@bri.hp.com (News User) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:47:23 GMT References: Nntp-Posting-Host: vanye.bri.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1.4] Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.palmtops Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3518 comp.sys.palmtops:29863 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Robert Nicholson (robertn@seahawk.nwest.mccaw.com) wrote: : Can anybody tell me how I deal with CR/LF translation? On the Unix system from within C-Kermit: set file type text Usually this is the default, but I don't know the NeXT set uo that well. This will ensure that the translation is done properly. Hope this helps, Mark Simms --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mark Simms |Org: Hewlett-Packard Profession: Software Engineer | Computer Peripherals Bristol Unix-mail: mark@hpcpbla.bri.hp.com| United Kingdom --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Life is short and the ROM is full" (Bill Wickes) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are my own and are not intended to be an official statement by Hewlett-Packard Company --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 13:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:48:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:48:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 30 Aug 1995 13:48:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <421q7i$me7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer : over the phone line. The unix system is preset to send files as binary : and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the : kermit prompt itself. : Need I say that's a dumb idea? Why don't you just ask the system administrators to change the menu to include "Kermit binary" and "Kermit text"? : Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every : line instead of a carriage return and line feed. I've tried giving my : own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change : anything. Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's? : The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0. : That is five years old. The current version is 3.14. Both Kermit programs are perfectly able to handle text-format conversion. Just tell the system administrators to let you use this program to do what it is supposed to do. : I can use e-mail, gopher, : and www but my system's ftp is disabled. Is there a way to get the : latest mskermit using these other methods? : Why don't you order it from us by post? That way we get some money to help pay for our continuing work, and you get a manual. I'll send you a catalog under separate cover. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 13:55:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:55:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:55:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit and Virtual Modems Date: 30 Aug 1995 13:55:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <421qkf$mji@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Craig Werner wrote: : A friend just purchased an AT&T Globalist Pentium 75 machine which has : a virtual modem (DSP chip); that is, no physical UART is present. It : recognizes Windows-based telecommunications programs, but not : DOS-based ones, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. AT&T Technical Support : suggests that he buy an external modem. : They are right. AT&T "Controllerless modems", like RPI modems, are not real modems at all. They depend on OS-specific drivers to work. There is "no market" for such drivers for any OS except Windows, so don't expect these modems ever to work outside Windows, and don't expect them to work very well *in* Windows either. See the Kermit FAQ for a fuller discussion: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 16:11:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:44:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 13:44:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!bham!wcl-rs!gio From: gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Andrew G McMullins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Atari ST C-Kermit - Terminal type? Date: 30 Aug 1995 16:11:57 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <4222kd$osr@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best option. Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this. Can anyone help? If I downloaded the latest sources, would I be able to get vt320 emulation? That, I have to admit, is an ideal scenario, as emulating a vt100 would suffice. On the plus side, the up/downloading side of things worked perfectly - I just had to make do with a different emulator for the actual screen handling, which is a pity. Thanks in advance... Be seeing you... /----o-------------------------\ | /~\|/~\ | Giovanni Ciampa | | \O/\\O/ | gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk | | / \ |--------------------| | \_/ | I am but a figment | | \___/ | of my own deranged | | \_/ | imagination | \---------+--------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 17:30:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:06:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:06:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Atari ST C-Kermit - Terminal type? Date: 30 Aug 1995 17:30:53 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 27 Message-Id: <42278d$ec@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <4222kd$osr@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andrew G McMullins (gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk) wrote: % Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally % have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using % MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best % option. % Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen % output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is % at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the % 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's % a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this. As I recall it was vt52 emulation. However, we abandoned that rather elderly version of Kermit and used Simon Poole's excellent GEM-based freeware terminal emulator UniTerm when we had STs. It includes various file transfer protocols (including Kermit) and does extremely good vt200 emulation (on a par with MS-Kermit and even does proper double-height and width characters). I can probably dig out a copy if required, though I dare say you will find it still in the Atari section of micros.hensa.ac.uk. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 02:24:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:19:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Aug 1995 16:19:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Aug 95 08:24:16 MDT References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes: > In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? >> >> > > Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? -------- It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95. MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as Windows 4.00. Joe D. hing that would make his virtual modem > recognize Kermit addressing? > > Thanks for all help. > > Craig Werner -------- Your friend purchased what is, I believe, a "controller-less" modem, not a regular one. That takes a special proprietary software driver to do much work which is normally in the modem, and apparently it is available only for Windows 3.1. We have no information on such modems, and given the strongly negative reaction to them by knowlegable people their lifetime is expected to be short. Given the circumstances there is nothing that we Kermit folks can do to help, other than repeat the advice of AT&T Tech Support above: purchase a regular modem, an external one at that. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 03:53:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:05:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 00:05:34 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Aug31.035325.4893@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:53:25 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes: >> In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >>>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? >>> >>> >> >> Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? >-------- > It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95. >MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as >Windows 4.00. > Joe D. Thanks for the information. DOS 7 ??? That's very interesting. Later, Helen From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 30 21:46:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:25:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:25:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hp-pcd!hp-cv!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews1.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!uw-beaver!uw-coco!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can kermit change LF's to CRLF's? Date: 30 Aug 1995 21:46:32 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 22 Message-Id: <422m7p$39u@krel.iea.com> References: <41v5q6$mvk@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu David Stow (dastow@freenet.vancouver.bc.ca) wrote: : I use kermit to transfer files from a unix computer to my ms-dos computer : over the phone line. The unix system is preset to send files as binary : and only gives me access to a menu that starts the transfer, not to the : kermit prompt itself. : Text files arrive at my computer with a line feed at the end of every : line instead of a carriage return and line feed. I've tried giving my : own kermit program the command SET FILE TYPE TEXT but this doesn't change : anything. Does anyone know a simple way to change the LF's to CRLF's? : The version of kermit I use is mskermit 3.0. I can use e-mail, gopher, : and www but my system's ftp is disabled. Is there a way to get the : latest mskermit using these other methods? : Thanks, : David Stow From the MS-Kermit prompt, remote set file type text then do a get or tget. Rod From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 07:59:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:28:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 04:28:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Roadside Attraction Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit transfer speed Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 02:59:25 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <9508310729.AA19619@sol.UVic.CA> Nntp-Posting-Host: bluejay.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <9508310729.AA19619@sol.UVic.CA> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Thu, 31 Aug 1995, Melvin Klassen wrote: > In article you write: > >Is there any reason that the kermit transfer at 14.4 is about the same as > >Z-modem transfer at 9600? > > Out of the box, KERMIT is "pessimistic" -- > it assumes that the communication-line is "noisy", and adapts itself > to ensuring that the file is transmitted correctly, if slowly. > KERMIT can be "tuned" to be "optimistic". Thanks for the info. It turns out the problem is at the HP-UX sever which I download from. The version of the HP-UX was 4E(077), circa 1989 -- little bit early to have sliding window scheme implemented. ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ************************************************************ Looking for roadkills... drop it by honge@creighton.edu... e-mails are welcome anytime -- but mails are not. Keyboard stuck failure. Press F1 to continue. Lab: A room full of icky, funny-looking creatures and dead frogs. ************************************************************ From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 07:39:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 05:49:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 05:49:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 31 Aug 1995 07:39:24 GMT Organization: Joensuu University language Center Lines: 41 Message-Id: <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kielipc0.joensuu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.eduB says... > >In article <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu>, hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu >writes: >> In article <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> Paolo Franzi writes: >>>When can I see a kermit version for Windows 95 ? >>> >>> >> >> Does this mean the dos version does not work under Win95? >-------- > It could not mean that because MS-DOS Kermit runs fine in Win95. >MSK also properly reports the version of DOS as 7.00 rather than as >Windows 4.00. > Joe D. No What the user and a number of other people are looking for is a GUI version of kermit. The kermit telnet is one of the best I have seen and it would be great if it was a true Windows program. I asked about this over a year ago and got a basic "we don't do Windows". In five years from now, if you believe the press, Microsoft will have everybody using Windows NT 5.0. Windows 95 is a transition OS to give people time to replace their DOS programs over the next 4 - 5 years. I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. Later -- ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 14:33:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:06:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:06:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!cddc.demon.co.uk From: Brenda Robb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 14:33:30 GMT Organization: City Of Dundee District Council Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cddc.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Thursday, Aug 31, 1995 14.33.30 GMT X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-Kermit vers. 3.14 C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA Unix SVR4 Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use kermit command level. I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down to local kermit command line to issue my GET command. I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs don't exist. Any help or suggestions. Thanks _______________________________________________________________________ Brenda Robb City of Dundee District Council Dundee Scotland Email brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)382 434168 (direct line) All views expressed are my own not my employers From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 15:16:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:32:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:32:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.isnet.is!news.ismennt.is!news From: halldorg@ismennt.is (Halldor Gudmundssson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script for unix Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:16:54 GMT Organization: Islenska Menntanetid (The icelandic edu. Network) Lines: 335 Distribution: world Message-Id: <424kfg$1jo@folda.ismennt.is> References: Reply-To: halldorg@ismennt.is Nntp-Posting-Host: rvik.ismennt.is X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) wrote: >I just downloaded the new version of ms kermit and have been trying to >set up a script as to automatically log into a unix machine (ie, standard >login:, password:) and I cannot get it to work. It's like it does not >even see the incoming charcters. I have set up scripts like this before >for 5A(190) under AIX and SCO, but this is my first attempt at an ms-dos >machine. Any helpfull insights for migrating scripts from unix to dos? >thanks in advance >-- > +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ > | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ > | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || > | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| > | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A system without COBOL or FORTRAN || > | (419) 882-1113 || | is like a piece of chocolate cake || > | FAX (419) 882-2911 || | without ketchup and mustard || > +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| > +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ this is a script and you should run kermit from batchfile like @echo off kermit def passwd ,def userid , take k1.scr, stay define getout out \13,- inp 3 >,- if succ out exit\13,- inp 10 >,- if succ hangup,out +++ATH\13, pause 5, out ath\13,pause 2,- exit set key \2320 {\Kgetout} ; Assign GETOUT macro to Alt-Q. set com3 \x3E8 11 Set PORT 3 SET BAUD 19200 SET FLOW rts SET DISP 8 SET TERM BELL NONE SET RECEIVE PACKET 2000 SET TRANSLATE INPUT ON SET WINDOWS 4 set transfer char latin1 set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE set input echo on ; Don't echo the modem test ; Define ERRSTOP macro to issue an error message and stop. ; define errstop echo \%1, hangup, stop ; FILE MT1432.SCR (MSMT1432.SCR) ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Multitech MT1432 series ; modems, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later. The modem is set ; for compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS ; flow control, and a fixed interface speed of 57600 or 38400. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz, Max Evarts; ; Columbia University, June 1993 ; Modified May 1994 to remove DSR check (Peter Mossel) ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} if eq "\v(system)" "UNIX" if = \v(local) 0 stop 1 You must SET LINE first define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second ; Speed. Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600. set speed 19200 ; If computer can be set to 57600 bps, use it. if fail set speed 9600 ; If not, use 19200. echo Configuring MultiTech MT1432 on \v(line). :INIT output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes chkok {Can't get modem's attention} output AT E1 &Q1 X4\13 ; Echoing, result codes, etc. chkok {Can't initialize modem} echo Enabling modulation negotiation... output AT $SB\v(speed) $MB19200\13 ; Start modulation speed negotiation ; at V32bis, set interface speed chkok {Can't enable modulation speed negotiation} echo Enabling hardware flow control... output AT &E4\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail errfail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now echo Configuring modem to ignore BREAK... output AT %E1\13 ; Make modem ignore BREAK chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} echo Enabling error correction and data compression... output AT &E1 &E15 $BA0\13 ; Enable error correction & compression ; with automatic speed buffering chkok {Can't enable compression EC and fallback} :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing 5811100 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATDT5811100\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. input 20 ): output 1\13 goto login define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of MT1432.SCR ; Action starts here ; If they typed their password on the DOS command line, ; clear the screen now. ; if def passwd cls ; for security... def \%9 ; "Thank you" flag. if def userid goto askpw :XUID ; ; User ID wasn't specified on command line, so prompt for it. ; ask \%8 {Enter your userid Enter: } if not def \%8 goto XUID assign userid \%8 def \%9 Thank you. :ASKPW if def passwd goto thanks :XPWD ; ; Password wasn't specified on command line, so prompt for it. ; askq \%8 - {Enter Password (it will not echo) and press ENTER: } if not def \%8 goto XPWD assign passwd \%8 def \%9 Thank you. :THANKS def \%8 ; Erase password from memory if def \%9 echo \%9 ; Be polite def \%9 echo set input case ignore ; Don't care about alphabetic case. hangup ; Hang up any current data connection. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE set input echo on ; Don't echo the modem test output ATQ0V1X1\13 ; Send AT, use word result codes. input 5 OK ; Modem should say "OK" Output \13 Set count 4 :LOOP output \13AT\13 ; Give the Hayes modem AT command input 5 OK ; Look for Hayes OK response. if failure goto RETRY ; Not found, try again. echo Hringi ! menntaneti ... ; It's 244PC, tell the user. output ATDT5683370\13 ; Make a data call to "[CUNIX]". input 30 CONNECT ; Look for modem's confirmation. if success goto GOOD :RETRY if count goto LOOP set count 4 :L2 output ATDT5811100\13 input 30 CONNECT if success goto GOOD2 if count goto L2 ; Get here when there is no communication after 3 tries. ; echo echo { Modem not answering.} echo { You are using port \v(port), and speed is \v(speed).} echo { if this is not correct use SET PORT in Kermit} echo { and SET SPEED and try again.} echo { Check if modem is connected and } echo { that it is powered on} echo hangup stop :GOOD ; We got through, one way or the other. ; Send carriage returns for speed recognition. ; Try up to 5 times to get Info terminal server prompt, "blah>". ; set count 5 ; Loop counter. :AGAIN output \13 ; Send CR for speed recognition. input 20 > ; Look for prompt. if success goto INFO ; If found, proceed with login process, if count goto again ; otherwise continue the loop. errstp {Failed to connect to main computer - try again} :INFO goto UNA set count 5 :GOOD2 input 20 ): if success goto RVIK out +++ATH\13 pause 5 out ath\13 pause 2 if count goto RETRY errstp {No answere from machinhe.} :RVIK output 1\13 input 20 login: if fail errstop {Did not get login } GOTO LOGIN ; ; Got terminal server prompt, select cunix and wait for login prompt. ; :UNA output una\13 input 20 login: if fail errstop {did not get login prompt - try again} :LOGIN ; ; Got "login:" prompt, send user ID and look for "Password:" prompt. ; output \m(userid)\13 ; Send user ID, followed by CR. input 20 Password: ; Wait up to 5 seconds for "Password:" prompt. if fail errstop {did not get password prompt} ; Send user's password, then wait for shell prompt. ; Here we must figure out whether it is "$ " or "% ". ; If it is anything else, such as "cunixa:", that must be ; predefined (see top of this file). ; output \m(passwd)\13 ; Send password. define passwd ; Erase from memory. ; Now try to get the shell prompt. ; CONNECT Halldor Gudmundsson halldorg@ismennt.is http://rvik.ismennt.is/~halldorg From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 03:27:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:37:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11441 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 12:36:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Message-Id: <1995Aug31.092748.60213@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Aug 95 09:27:48 MDT References: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk>, Brenda Robb writes: > MS-Kermit vers. 3.14 C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA Unix SVR4 > > Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to > IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use > kermit command level. > I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down > to local kermit command line to issue my GET command. > I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in > MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs > eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs > don't exist. ---------------- If you read the release notes accompanying MSK v3.14 you will discover that TerminalR/S macros had to be abandoned because DEC used the communication codes for other purposes, sigh. In their places is the much more general APC command, details of which are in the notes. I think you will like the APC command better. While you are rummaging around, may I recommend upgrading C Kermit to the modern era. It is version 5A(190) these days. Please visit kermit.columbia.edu for the latest Kermits. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 19:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:52:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 15:51:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: danielwest@aol.com (DanielWest) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File List for send ?? Date: 31 Aug 1995 15:28:45 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 17 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-Id: <4252hd$kiv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: danielwest@aol.com (DanielWest) Nntp-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all I am trying to use a kermit script to back up PC-Data files to an AIX box so that they will go to tape nightly. I am using my script to trigger dos's Dir command and am writing the results to a file. (I am doing this so that I can include files in all sub-directories under my parent directory.) How can I tell kermit to send the files in this list? (it's a clean list) I seem to remember something in the manual about a file-list however; I have been pageing through it for an hour and cannot find it. Something like !(filename.XXX) or @(filename.XXX) or something.... Thanks Fallacy Somewhere! - One Bad Baronet Of Ruddygore DanielWest@aol.com (Daniel Weston) "A line is a terrible thing to waste" From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 21:47:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05979 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:47:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:47:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File List for send ?? Date: 31 Aug 1995 21:47:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <425al2$ppi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4252hd$kiv@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4252hd$kiv@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, DanielWest wrote: : I am trying to use a kermit script to back up PC-Data files to an AIX box : so that they will go to tape nightly. I am using my script to trigger : dos's Dir command and am writing the results to a file. (I am doing this : so that I can include files in all sub-directories under my parent : directory.) : : How can I tell kermit to send the files in this list? (it's a clean list) : I seem to remember something in the manual about a file-list however; I : have been pageing through it for an hour and cannot find it. Something : like !(filename.XXX) or @(filename.XXX) or something.... : In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, the current version, but not in earlier versions, you can: send @filename where "filename" is the name of a file that contains a list of files. The list of filenames can contain one filename per line, or it can contain a comma-separated list of names, or any mixture of the two. Filenames can contain disk letters, directory names, and DOS-format wildcards. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 21:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:41:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 19:41:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news1.cle.ab.com!RSI_MOORE!not-for-mail From: moorebj@cle.ab.com (Bruce J. Moore) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Atari ST C-Kermit - Terminal type? Date: 31 Aug 1995 21:25:54 GMT Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Inc. Lines: 56 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <4259d2$ifm@news1.cle.ab.com> References: <4222kd$osr@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: aatpc01.cle.ab.com X-Newsreader: TIN [Windows/NT 1.3 950131BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andrew, I did the port, although I've since gotten out of the Kermit business. My ST is currently collecting dust. On to your questions: Andrew G McMullins (gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk) wrote: : Subject says it all really - I downloaded this recently, as I occasionally : have to work from home - the systems at work tend to assume that you're using : MS-DOS Kermit, but as I've only got an ST, I thought this would be my best : option. : : Unfortunately all I got was a mangled heap of escape sequences and screen : output, so I need to know what terminal type is being emulated and, if it is : at all possible, to change the terminal type - I've tried variations on the : 'SET TERMINAL' command set, but nothing seems to work. My guess is that it's : a vt52, as this is built into the ST, but I can't verify this. It's definitely a VT52. I presume you're using VMS from the above, so the correct command is: $ SET TERM/DEVICE_TYPE=VT52 It should be noted that many DEC utilities simply assume a VT100/VT200 and behave accordingly. : : Can anyone help? If I downloaded the latest sources, would I be able to get : vt320 emulation? That, I have to admit, is an ideal scenario, as emulating a : vt100 would suffice. On the plus side, the up/downloading side of things : worked perfectly - I just had to make do with a different emulator for the : actual screen handling, which is a pity. Another poster mentioned Uniterm. This is a very nice package. If doing simple stuff, I used kermit, but fell back to Uniterm for long remote editing sessions, and so forth. If memory serves, TPU/EVE was one of the programs that refused to act as a VT52. In this case, I was unable to use kermit. For unix hosts I was always able to use kermit. : : Thanks in advance... You're welcome. Hope the information above helps. : : Be seeing you... : : /----o-------------------------\ : | /~\|/~\ | Giovanni Ciampa | : | \O/\\O/ | gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk | : | / \ |--------------------| : | \_/ | I am but a figment | : | \___/ | of my own deranged | : | \_/ | imagination | : \---------+--------------------/ Bruce From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 1 00:59:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:59:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 31 Aug 1995 20:59:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Date: 1 Sep 1995 00:59:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 169 Message-Id: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu PRE-ANNOUNCING KERMIT FOR WINDOWS 95 Planning bulletin! Kermit software for Windows 95 is on the way. This is a full-featured, fully native, 32-bit communications software package for Windows 95 from the Kermit Team at Columbia University for both serial and TCP/IP communication. K-95 can be both icon/menu operated for newcomers or command-line executed for veterans (or any combination of the two for those who want it all). LICENSING Unlike other Kermit software, K-95 is not "free". It is not available for downloading; it cannot be freely shared and given away. Instead, it must be purchased and licensed. It will be quite inexpensive. It will be available in software retail chains and directly from Columbia University. Aggressive quantity- and site-based licensing terms will also be available from Columbia, including special academic/nonprofit licenses. Exact terms are still being worked out. Why isn't it free? -- 1. The Kermit Project operates entirely on the income it generates. 2. Because of the rapid growth and commercialization of the Internet and proliferation of "free software" CDROMs made from Internet ftp sites, Kermit software is in wider use than ever before, but nobody is ordering it from us. Thus our income is down while our tech-support workload is up. 3. We could not have brought this software to you without making a significant investment. The status of other Kermit software (MS-DOS, UNIX, VMS, IBM Mainframe, etc) remains as it always has been. FEATURES K-95 comes with a graphical Dialer (menus, buttons, dialog boxes, notebooks, and all) to help you manage all your connections and all the settings for each one, without complicated initialization files, macro definitions, or SET commands. The Kermit engine itself is launched from the Dialer pushbutton-style to make the desired connection automatically with all the appropriate settings. Kermit veterans need not worry: It can also be run on its own like other Kermit programs. K-95 is a multithreaded multitasking NATIVE 32-bit Windows 95 communication software application that is easy on your CPU. It is fully integrated with Microsoft Telephony (TAPI) and Winsock, and can be used uniformly for both serial and network connections. K-95 offers: . A directory PRELOADED with hundreds of dialup and network connections: - Commercial networks and data services - Public data networks like SprintNet and TYMNET - Internet service providers by dialup - Internet resources via TELNET - BBSs and much more . VT320, VT220, VT102, VT100, VT52, ANSI, and TTY terminal emulation with: - Amazingly fast screen updates - Full color selection - Virtually unlimited and instantaneous screen rollback - Flexible key mapping - Integrated mouse functions: copy-and-paste, cursor steering - Screen height and width selection - Character-set conversion - Versatile printer control - Pop-up context-sensitive help, debugging, much more . Kermit as well as X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer: - The fastest and most advanced Kermit protocol available anywhere: Sliding windows, long packets, control-character unprefixing, locking shifts, character-set translation, an update feature, recovery, automatic file transfer initiation, and much more. - X/Y/ZMODEM licensed from Online Solutions Oy, Jyvaskyla, Finland - Windows 95 long filenames - Background as well as foreground file transfers . Management of multiple sessions through the graphical Dialer. . An intelligent phone-list that understands the difference between international, long-distance, local, toll-free, and internal PBX calls, and adjusts itself according to your location; that allows multiple phone numbers for a single service; and that can be told how many times and how frequently to redial if the connection is not made. . Script programming using the same portable Kermit script language that is already in widespread use on hundreds of other platforms. When used in combination with the Windows 95 System Agent, this allows for automatically scheduled unattended communications tasks. . A brand-new user manual plus a technical reference manual. . A tech-support hot line (900 number, as so many of you suggested) and a tech support BBS. AVAILABILITY The publication date is October 5th, 1995. The USA list price is $79.00 US. The USA street price is $54.00 US. For orders prior prior October 5th, 1995, the USA introductory price is $49.00. The shrink-wrapped package, published by Manning Publications of Greenwich CT includes the software and manuals plus a discount upgrade coupon for the next planned version. The package will be available in computer software stores and you can order it now from Columbia University or the publisher (store orders should go to the publisher): 1. Kermit Columbia University 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7221 USA Fax: +1 (212) 662 6442 or +1 (212) 663 8202 Voice: +1 (212) 854 3703 Email: kermit-orders@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ 2. Manning Publications 3 Lewis Street Greenwich CT 06830 USA Fax: +1 (203) 661 9018 Voice: +1 (203) 629 2078 Email: 73150.1431@Compuserve.com Web: http://www.sirius.com/~freedom/BBC/NetworkingNookPage.html In recognition of the beginning of the academic year on campuses far and wide, and students arriving by the truckload with PCs and Windows 95, we encourage campus software administrators to contact us via e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu to discuss academic bulk or site licenses. Further announcements will appear on the comp.protocols.kermit newsgroups and in the LISTSERV Kermit Digest. If you want to receive announcements directly by e-mail, please send a request by e-mail to: kermit@columbia.edu Also watch our World Wide Web site for updates: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ THE FUTURE We plan to develop this product actively to meet your needs. Numerous new features are on tap; our priorities will be driven by the success of this product and preferences of its users. Items under consideration include Tektronix terminal emulation, 3270 terminal emulation, 5250 terminal emulation, RIP graphics for BBS's, ALA character-set support, UNICODE support, a character-set-aware form of HTML viewing, and further GUIfication. Frank da Cruz Christine M. Gianone Manager Manager Communications Software Development Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University New York City From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 31 17:26:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:02:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16563 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 01:02:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!msc.edu!network.com!news From: escargo@finally.network.com (David S. Cargo) Subject: MS-DOS Kermit through parallel ports? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: finally Message-Id: Originator: escargo@finally Sender: news@network.com Organization: Network Systems Corporation Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 17:26:02 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS has changed a lot since I have used it last. Now it has network connections over many protocols. However, now that many PCs have bidirectional parallel ports, is there a way of using Kermit to connect two PCs through their parallel ports and transfer files between them? In networking terms, Kermit would still be the application, but down at the data link and physical levels, a parallel port would be used instead of a serial port. It seems like this should be simple and maybe even possible in a way that's not obvious to me. So, can it be done now? Is it possible that it might be implemented soon? David S. Cargo (escargo@network.com) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 1 23:48:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:43:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 1 Sep 1995 20:43:10 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!world!jeffb From: jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Date: Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:48:23 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes: >hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: >> I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a >>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. >See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later >this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware >like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street >price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. >I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that >matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that >everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia >anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough >money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too >painfully aware of funding problems. All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to like it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in the user community. Jeff Berntsen jeffb@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 12:50:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:50:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:50:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 2 Sep 1995 12:50:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <429ju5$lv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey T Berntsen wrote: >> ... >All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to >like it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of >its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its >documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great >deal of ill will in the user community. > Well, we had a choice. We can be here and be the brunt of some people's ill will, or we can be gone. Without making this move, I assure you we would be gone. Usage has never been higher, tech support demands have never been higher, ftp accesses have never been higher, Web page accesses go up every week. But our income has never been lower. And still we get hundreds of requests for Windows Kermit software every day. Charging media costs for disks and tapes doesn't work any more -- nobody is ordering them. They just grab the software off the net or from a CDROM they bought from somebody else, and then call us to ask how it works. We are adapting to this new world in order to survive and keep serving you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 12:56:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:56:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 08:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windows 95 Academic Site Licensing Date: 2 Sep 1995 12:56:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <429k9e$m55@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is the preliminary information regarding academic site licensing of Kermit for Windows 95. This information also appears on our Web page, which is updated frequently. Check the Web page for information that might be more current: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html To discuss site licensing, send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. PRELIMINARY KERMIT 95 ACADEMIC SITE LICENSE INFORMATION Kermit 95 academic site licenses are available at the rates listed below. An academic site license entitles all students, faculty, and staff at a licensed institution to individual, non-transferable use of Kermit 95 at school and at home, with no copy counting required, as long as they are students at or employed by the institution. The site license must be administered from a single administrative point of contact within the institution. Technical support must be provided by the institution, which provides a single technical point of contact with the development and support team at Columbia University. For any single college or university: First year: $ 2,000 Subsequent years: $ 1,000 For a large (e.g. statewide) university system: First year: $ 10,000 Subsequent years: $ 5,000 An active license entitles the institution to continuing technical support and to software upgrades. The year is counted as July 1 through June 30; however, the entire first-year fee must be paid for 1995-96. An academic site license includes a single copy of the shrink-wrapped software package, to be registered, duplicated, and distributed by the institution, plus 100 user manuals and 5 technical reference manuals, with additional manuals available in bulk at a discount. Manuals may be resold through institutional channels such as book stores or otherwise distributed internally. Outside of the USA, Canada, and Mexico, shipping costs must be added for the manual set. The institution must assume responsibility of preventing all manner of external access to the software, including, but not limited to, placing of the software on file servers, ftp servers, or Web home pages accessible from outside the institution. (End) From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 15:13:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:13:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 11:13:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: Yeechang Lee Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 2 Sep 1995 15:13:01 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 10 Message-Id: <429s9t$rka@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Originator: ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey T Berntsen says: |I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its media |(such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its |documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great |deal of ill will in the user community. Anyone who feels that way is IMHO out of line. Since when did having Kermit become some kind of right? http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 1 13:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:10:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 2 Sep 1995 16:10:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 1 Sep 1995 13:56:30 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 34 Message-Id: <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a >true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too painfully aware of funding problems. The code should be hitting the retail store shelves in the near future; the official release date he posted is 5 October. Most of us have been quietly freeloading on the Columbia people for years. Between this and the way that some users seem to think that they have the right to berate the KERMIT developers for not having released a native Windows KERMIT I'm amazed that Columbia has been so supportive of the KERMIT effort. (BTW: a note saying "I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a true GUI version" isn't berating anyone; it's a polite expression of interest. It's the flamers who SCREAM ABOUT HOW THEY DEMAND ALL SORTS OF COMPLEX FEATURES that give USENET its bad reputation and irritate providers of freeware.) Anyway...to KERMIT: welcome to the GUI world! And to the developers of the new package, congratulations. Joe Morris / MITRE From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 06:53:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 03:55:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 03:55:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!jrs From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 1 Sep 1995 00:59:55 GMT Message-Id: Sender: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Organization: The Internet References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:53:53 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available for Kermit for Windows 95? I realize you must be doing this to survive but how can you expect to compete with communications programs that have twice the features for half the price? Let's say you really do come through on all of the features and the price comes down to 20 bucks. Let's say you do survive. Is is really worth it to give up the very thing that it is to be Kermit: free software with source? It seems better to me to throw in the towel and say it was an experiment that didn't work than to compromise in the name of survival. Or better yet, can't you just charge for support and see how far that gets you? It doesn't seem to me you've investigated that avenue yet. I am happy for you if the decision you have made makes you successful. Every one needs a job or funding. But I think it is a sad turn of events. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 14:55:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 10:58:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 10:56:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Date: 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-Id: <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Sladkey wrote: > I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available > for Kermit for Windows 95? > Some parts will, some parts won't. The parts that won't were all done here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped. This is not from a desire to be secretive, but rather because historically code from our software has been incorporated into hundreds of commercial and shareware programs, most often without permission. If the new Windows 95 code is of any value, and we believe it is, the same thing would happen if we made it public. Our project was not established for that purpose. > I realize you must be doing this to survive but how can you expect to > compete with communications programs that have twice the features for > half the price? > None of the communications software that has been announced for Windows 95 is less expensive than Kermit 95. Most of it is in the $129 range. For universities, our academic site licensing plan should allay all fears about cost. This was posted yesterday. > Let's say you really do come through on all of the features and the > price comes down to 20 bucks. Let's say you do survive. Is is really > worth it to give up the very thing that it is to be Kermit: free > software with source? > The world has changed since 1981. The Internet (then, the ARPAnet) was a forum for sharing and cooperation and mutual help. Now it's a hotbed of entrepreneurs who are principally concerned with how to profit from the work of others. The question is: despite all that, do people still want Kermit software? I think that millions of them do. It is up to us to figure out how to be in a position to furnish to them in the long run. > It seems better to me to throw in the towel and say it was an > experiment that didn't work than to compromise in the name of survival. > We decided not to do that. As you can see, the other Kermit software versions (MS-DOS, UNIX, VMS, IBM Mainframe, and hundreds of others) are still there. Should we shut those down too? If not, then how shall we pay for their upkeep? > Or better yet, can't you just charge for support and see how far that > gets you? It doesn't seem to me you've investigated that avenue yet. > Believe me, over the past 3 or 4 years we've investigated every option, including that one. > I am happy for you if the decision you have made makes you successful. > Every one needs a job or funding. But I think it is a sad turn of > events. > Sure it is. So is the rampant commercialization of the Internet. But that is an unstoppable force, and one which was devouring our project. Whether it is good or bad remains to be seen, but it is real, and it will change "our little world" forever in ways we can scarcely even begin to imagine. Those of you who are interested in this type of discussion are invited to read through the archives of comp.procotols.kermit.misc, comp.os.vms, comp.dcom.modems, and many other forums in which it has taken place at great length over the past two or three years. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 02:50:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:26:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 13:26:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!bcsystems!rforster From: rforster@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca (Russ Forster) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Sep3.095032.6894@venus.gov.bc.ca> Date: 3 Sep 95 09:50:32 PDT References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <429ju5$lv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: RFORSTER@GALAXY.GOV.BC.CA Organization: BC Systems Corporation Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <429ju5$lv6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , > Jeffrey T Berntsen wrote: >>> ... >>All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to >>like it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of >>its media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its >>documentation is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great >>deal of ill will in the user community. >> > Well, we had a choice. We can be here and be the brunt of some people's > ill will, or we can be gone. Without making this move, I assure you we > would be gone. Usage has never been higher, tech support demands have > never been higher, ftp accesses have never been higher, Web page accesses > go up every week. But our income has never been lower. And still we get > hundreds of requests for Windows Kermit software every day. > > Charging media costs for disks and tapes doesn't work any more -- nobody > is ordering them. They just grab the software off the net or from a CDROM > they bought from somebody else, and then call us to ask how it works. > > We are adapting to this new world in order to survive and keep serving you. > > - Frank Frank, I understand your need for money, however you are targeting a very specific audience. Perhaps I should move to a MAC and get the software free. The other more promising alternative, it to have you charge for all versions of Kermit not just the media it's on. /Russ -- Russ Forster, BC Systems, 4000 Seymour Place, Victoria, B.C., Canada, V8X 4S8 RForster@Galaxy.Gov.BC.CA Office: (604) 389-3186 Fax: (604) 389-3412 Disclaimer: The opinions and statements contained in this posting are the sole responsibility of the author and have not in any way been reviewed or approved by my employer or any network service. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 20:24:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:24:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 16:24:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 3 Sep 1995 20:24:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu PROBLEM #1: If I leave MS-DOS machine running Kermit idle for (let us say) 15 minutes, then the terminal stops showing input and output. PROBLEM #2: After reaching the state described in Problem #1, it is no longer possible to start other TCP/IP sessions. PROBLEM #3: Upon exiting kermit, the PC machine freezes up, requiring a Control-Alt-Del, and sometimes a power-down. In general, it seems that the problem reappears if one does NOT use a power-down. I have read the kermit.hlp and kermit.bwr but remain unenlightened. BACKGROUND: 1. I have been using MS-KERMIT 3.14pl9 to connect from MS-DOS machines (486 w/ MS-DOS 6.22 and a XT w/MS-DOS 5.0 and ANSI.SYS) to a Linux machine. All the involved machines have 3Com ethernet cards, and all three are located on a TCP/IP ethernet with about one meter distance between them. 2. I am positive that the problem is not the Kermit has dropped the connection. Because the machines are setting next to each other, I can look at the Linux machine and see what program is being run on the "hung" machine running Kermit. I can also "logout", etc. 3. I have tried SET TERM RESET, Alt-=, set term none, and anything else I could find in kermit.hlp that seemed relevant, but this did not help. 4. As mentioned above, when exiting, the PC freezes. As suggested in KERMIT.BWR, it is possible to push to DOS, etc., while the session is still running, but hangup and exit result in the PC crash. I can provide more information if the preceding was not sufficient. Thanks for any advice/help/suggestions. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 3 11:44:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:14:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 20:14:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep3.174430.60473@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Sep 95 17:44:30 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 56 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > PROBLEM #1: If I leave MS-DOS machine running Kermit idle for > (let us say) 15 minutes, then the terminal stops showing > input and output. > > PROBLEM #2: After reaching the state described in Problem #1, it > is no longer possible to start other TCP/IP sessions. > > PROBLEM #3: Upon exiting kermit, the PC machine freezes up, > requiring a Control-Alt-Del, and sometimes a power-down. In general, > it seems that the problem reappears if one does NOT use a power-down. > > I have read the kermit.hlp and kermit.bwr but remain unenlightened. > > BACKGROUND: > > 1. I have been using MS-KERMIT 3.14pl9 to connect from MS-DOS > machines (486 w/ MS-DOS 6.22 and a XT w/MS-DOS 5.0 and ANSI.SYS) to a > Linux machine. All the involved machines have 3Com ethernet cards, > and all three are located on a TCP/IP ethernet with about one meter > distance between them. > > 2. I am positive that the problem is not the Kermit has dropped the > connection. Because the machines are setting next to each other, I > can look at the Linux machine and see what program is being run on the > "hung" machine running Kermit. I can also "logout", etc. > > 3. I have tried SET TERM RESET, Alt-=, set term none, and anything > else I could find in kermit.hlp that seemed relevant, but this > did not help. > > 4. As mentioned above, when exiting, the PC freezes. As suggested > in KERMIT.BWR, it is possible to push to DOS, etc., while the > session is still running, but hangup and exit result in the PC crash. > > I can provide more information if the preceding was not sufficient. > > Thanks for any advice/help/suggestions. > > Cheers, > Seth Chaiklin --------------- Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way of correcting its ARP cache. The situation seems to be Kermit is getting no response to its IP transmissions and it is doing backed off retries (as per TCP specs). Control should return when the retries are successful or exhausted. You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory, segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine power-downs too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 02:31:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:31:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 22:31:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 4 Sep 1995 02:31:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-Id: <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep3.174430.60473@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik wrote: > Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way >of correcting its ARP cache. You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. > You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid >clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to >seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory, >segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in >the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine >power-downs too. Thanks for these additional suggestions. Good to know for the future, but the machine where I was having the problems is: An elder XT with 640K. There is no memory to manage, and definitely not green! There are no screen savers. There are keyboard and codepage drivers installed, as well as a Cyrnwr packet driver, otherwise no other TSRs. The monochrome monitor has a hercules-compatible card. There is a single serial port IRQ4, and the ethernet adapter is IRQ3. The ethernet adaptor is a 3c501. However, I tried the same experiment (with the same results) with a 486 VGA monitor machine and a 3c509 ethernet card, so I suspect the problem is not with MSK nor with the PC-hardware. However, there is still one part that bothers me: Why would MSK crash the PC in the process of exiting from MSK? This happens even if I logout from the Linux machine (because it is still possible to issue commands, even if the arp cache has lost the ethernet address, and if it they are not shown on the monitor). That doesn't seem right. (It doesn't crash if I reload the arp cache.) Meanwhile, thanks very much for the insightful suggestion. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:17:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:44:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:44:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 03:17:21 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 48 Message-Id: <42dqug$eb7@newstand.syr.edu> References: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-131.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brenda Robb wrote: >MS-Kermit vers. 3.14 C-Kermit vers. 5A(179) BETA Unix SVR4 >Can anyone help me, I'm trying to do File Transfers from Unix to >IBM-PC. My problem is that I don't want the operator to have to use >kermit command level. >I can set my Unix kermit in SERVER mode but then I have to break down >to local kermit command line to issue my GET command. >I've tried to use the TERMINALS/TERMINALR macros, as described in >MS-KERMIT vers 2.32, and then SETting KEYs for those verbs >eg SET KEY \2415 \Kterminals etc but kermit tells me that the verbs >don't exist. Brenda, You might do well to get the latest MSKermit, v3.14, (tell you where later) and use the newer APC command (provided the remote host's Kermit is new enough). The APC command allows either Kermit to issue commands to the other. A download, for example, can be accomplished without escaping to the local Kermit. As an example, here's my bsend macro which I keep on the remote host; notice the APC command ... it tells the local Kermit to receive ... no moving around between Kermits. define bsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- set file type binary, set delay 1, apc receive,- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- else send \%1 For example, I would tell the remote (UNIX) Kermit to: bsend file1 file2 file3 That's it! Entire Kermit package: ftp kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/archives/msvibm.zip kermit.exe only: ftp kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/bin/msvibm.exe - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:27:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:54:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 3 Sep 1995 23:54:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 03:27:07 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <42drgq$efp@newstand.syr.edu> References: <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> <42dqug$eb7@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-131.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) wrote: >define bsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- > if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- > set file type binary, set delay 1, apc receive,- > if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- > else send \%1 >For example, I would tell the remote (UNIX) Kermit to: > bsend file1 file2 file3 And in so writing, goofed! The macro allows for the use of wildcards. When no wildcards are used, the second argument (not required) allows you to specify a name for the lone received file. Examples: bsend report.* bsend report.may bsend report.may may-95.rpt - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 06:02:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 03:57:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 03:57:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!news From: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 4 Sep 1995 06:02:31 GMT Organization: Joensuu University language Center Lines: 20 Message-Id: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kielipc0.joensuu.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Frank, I guess you are the person to answer this. What is the upgrade policy for win95 kermit? In the future after I buy the program will I then have to pay extra for the updates as they become available? Also I assume the license is with the user not the machine, is this right? And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? TIA PAul -- ======================================================================= Paul Hounsell |disclaimer: Joensuu University Language Center | Of course I have opinions, I am Joensuu Finland | just not responsible for them hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi | and neither is anybody else! ======================================================================= From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 2 17:53:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 06:48:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 06:48:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in1.uu.net!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Kenneth Udut) Subject: Re: Windows 95 version References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Leaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ, USA) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 1995 17:53:20 GMT X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.84 with YES 0.20.B0509 Message-Id: Lines: 72 X-Info: YES is the Yarn Editor Shell, a freeware utility for Yarn! The best supplement to the best offline newsreader! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In comp.protocols.kermit.misc on Fri, 1 Sep 1995 23:48:23 GMT, jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes: > jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes: > > >hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > > >> I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a > >>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. > > >See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later > >this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware > >like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street > >price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. > > >I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that > >matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that > >everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia > >anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough > >money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too > >painfully aware of funding problems. > > All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to like > it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its > media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation > is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in > the user community. > > Jeff Berntsen > jeffb@world.std.com I disagree. Windows 95 is going to be (is?) a popular operating system. I don't have the capability to use it, but from what I've seen, it's much nicer than I had expected it to be. I have no qualms whatsoever with Frank. If I were the type to bow down to a living person, Frank would be near the top of my list of idols. Frank, anyone who can take the heat like you do, who continues to support and promote dispite occasional negativity, has earned more than regular ol' respect from me. Congratulations, Frank, for making the decision to charge for Windows 95 Kermit. The people buying Windows 95 Kermit will probably entice their lower-end computer friends to get regular Kermit, especially if they get into script programming. It's time that Kermit gets on the shelf, and while I won't be running even regular Windows for a long long time to come, I'll suggest to everyone I know with Windows 95 to purchase Kermit from the shelf, for it seems to be what Kermit has needed for a very long time now. Thank goodness you Kermit folks at Columbia had the foresight *NOT* to write a Windows 3.x version, optimize MS-DOS Kermit to work fantastically under Windows 3.x, and wait for the next true operating system to get bundled with every computer under the sun. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com current owner of the Children's Rights List current owner of the Minister's Discussion List -- Proud user of MS-Kermit 3.14! Faster than Zmodem! More Robust than any other protocol that is available for hundreds of incompatible platforms! [works on nearly ALL computers!] FTP: kermit.columbia.edu WWW: www.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 11:48:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 07:51:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 07:51:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!logica.co.uk!news From: Luc Bollen Subject: Transfering files with upper case filenames X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 158.234.138.101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: Sender: news@carmen.logica.co.uk (News Manager Account) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Logica SA/NV Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 1995 11:48:51 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2b2 (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in UPPER CASE. Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT'). Could anybody let me know if it is possible to get filenames created on the Unix machine in uppercase? If yes, using which command ? Thanks for your help. Luc Bollen Logica SA/NV From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 12:46:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:11:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 09:11:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!erinews.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!news.seinf.abb.se!nooft.abb.no!Norway.EU.net!telepost.no!usenet From: sven@aftenposten.no (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 12:46:30 GMT Organization: Aftenposten A/S Lines: 23 Message-Id: <42esa9$g03@nms.telepost.no> References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gatekeeper.aftenposten.no X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >PRE-ANNOUNCING KERMIT FOR WINDOWS 95 >Kermit software for Windows 95 is on the way. This is a full-featured, >fully native, 32-bit communications software package for Windows 95 from >the Kermit Team at Columbia University for both serial and TCP/IP >communication. ----clip, clip >The publication date is October 5th, 1995. -----clip, clip Will beta versions be available before the release date?? Our company is very interested in this SW and would gladly pay the price if the SW suits our needs. Regards, Sven Andreassen Aftenposten, Norway ----> Sven Andreassen ----> sven@aftenposten.no From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 14:56:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:56:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 10:56:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transfering files with upper case filenames Date: 4 Sep 1995 14:56:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <42f43e$4m4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Luc Bollen wrote: : I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, : and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the : received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in : UPPER CASE. : : Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename : created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in : place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT'). : Nothing could be easier. Just tell C-Kermit on UNIX to SET FILE NAMES LITERAL. Then send the files from the PC in the normal way; no need to specify an "as-name". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:31:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:20:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:20:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep4.093116.60494@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Sep 95 09:31:15 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 78 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? >>I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just >>the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way >>of correcting its ARP cache. > > You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). > > I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while > connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; > do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp > cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, > of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. > > I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it > does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for > the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and > then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown > on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. > Looks as if you need to talk with the Linux folks about fixing the mis-designed TCP/IP stack. >> You should also double check memory management on the PC to avoid >>clobbering the Ethernet adapter (presumed, you didn't say), and also to >>seek out and destroy IRQ & port conflicts. Remember to leave video memory, >>segments A000-BFFF, to the video system. These matters are discussed in >>the release notes. Do worry about PC screen savers and green machine >>power-downs too. > > Thanks for these additional suggestions. Good to know for the future, > but the machine where I was having the problems is: > > An elder XT with 640K. There is no memory to manage, and > definitely not green! There are no screen savers. There are > keyboard and codepage drivers installed, as well as a Cyrnwr packet > driver, otherwise no other TSRs. The monochrome monitor has a > hercules-compatible card. There is a single serial port IRQ4, and > the ethernet adapter is IRQ3. The ethernet adaptor is a 3c501. 3C501? Yikes, that's a very poor board on any network these days. NE-2000 clones cost very little and I recommend putting the 3C501 in the museum drawer (please). > However, I tried the same experiment (with the same results) with > a 486 VGA monitor machine and a 3c509 ethernet card, so I > suspect the problem is not with MSK nor with the PC-hardware. > > However, there is still one part that bothers me: Why would MSK crash > the PC in the process of exiting from MSK? This happens even if I > logout from the Linux machine (because it is still possible to > issue commands, even if the arp cache has lost the ethernet address, > and if it they are not shown on the monitor). That doesn't seem > right. (It doesn't crash if I reload the arp cache.) I have no idea, to tell the truth. MSK doesn't crash here when the other end goes away. It takes awhile to time out but that's all. I'm typically using ODI rather than a Packet Driver. Joe D. > Meanwhile, thanks very much for the insightful suggestion. > > Cheers, > Seth Chaiklin > > > > > > > > > > > > > From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 03:33:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:51:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 12:51:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transfering files with upper case filenames Message-Id: <1995Sep4.093306.60495@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Sep 95 09:33:06 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Luc Bollen writes: > I'm using kermit (mskermit V3.14) to transfer files from MS-DOS to UNIX, > and due to a constraint of the Unix application that is processing the > received files, the filenames must be created on the Unix machine in > UPPER CASE. > > Using a command like 'send FILE.DAT FILE.DAT' results in the filename > created on the Unix machine to be in lower case (i.e. 'file.dat') in > place of upper case (i.e. 'FILE.DAT'). > > Could anybody let me know if it is possible to get filenames created on > the Unix machine in uppercase? If yes, using which command ? ---------------- If you read the C Kermit user's manual this is explained. The command is SET FILE NAMES LITERAL. Try it; it works. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 18:58:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 16:00:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 4 Sep 95 18:58:25 GMT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 69 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: | | Joe Doupnik wrote: | > Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? | >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just | >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way | >of correcting its ARP cache. | | You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). | | I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while | connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; | do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp | cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, | of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. Note that most implementations intentionally time out ARP entries; this is a feature. I doubt that the entry is lost as such, though timeouts are usually a bit longer. You may be looking at an ARP bug in Linux or kermit involving bad behavior when one side already knows the address. These kinds of bugs come up more often than you might imagine since the ARP process for mainly-client programs is usually one way and the reverse process may be only lightly tested. Keep in mind that the answerer of an ARP request also retains the address of the caller to avoid sending an ARP itself. Starting with both machines ignorant of the hardware addresses, the process might go like this: kermit -> ARP-REQUEST -> Linux (saves kermit's hardware address) Linux -> ARP-RESPONSE -> kermit Since this is the most common sequence, kermit probably doesn't have to answer ARP requests at all most of the time. | I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it | does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for | the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and | then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown | on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. (It could also be that Linux isn't sending them at all, but that would be such a devastating error that it would have been noticed long ago. I hope.) I think there are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on the situation. First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. If it doesn't respond then it has somehow been corrupted (or doesn't respond to ARPs in general). If it does respond then it may be that kermit has a problem answering ARPs when it already knows the peer's hardware address. If it does not respond, move on to the next test: Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this and still have the tcp running?). Now try to ping kermit from a machine which has no ARP entry for kermit. If this works and the first test failed then it is likely the program is becoming corrupted somehow. If the second test fails then kermit doesn't respond to ARPs at all (seems unlikely) or you have some obscure problem with broadcasts and/or frame types that is blocking ARPs in one direction. (Don't laugh; I've seen it.) The general idea is that things can work remarkably well with ARPs functioning in only one direction and it takes something like a short cache timeout to bring the problem to light. Consider that one end could be totally incapable of receiving broadcasts (bad NIC, bad driver, etc.) and it would still appear to function normally as long as it always ARP'ed first and the peer had a long timeout. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 11:00:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:15:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 4 Sep 1995 19:15:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Sep 95 17:00:19 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 97 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Supplementing Dan's decent advice... In article <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: > In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > | > | Joe Doupnik wrote: > | > Did you have a chance to look at the ARP cache on the Linux machine? > | >I've heard rumors (I don't use Linux) that it times out and can yield just > | >the effects noted. You might try pinging MSK from the Linux end as one way > | >of correcting its ARP cache. > | > | You are definitely on the right track (and thanks for the fast response!). > | > | I tried an experiment. I let the MSK machine sit idle while > | connected to the Linux machine, and after 10 minutes (while true; > | do date; arp -a; sleep 60; done), I discovered that the Linux arp > | cache loses the HW address of the ethernet card, at which point, > | of course, the MSK machine appears to be frozen. > > Note that most implementations intentionally time out ARP entries; this > is a feature. I doubt that the entry is lost as such, though timeouts > are usually a bit longer. You may be looking at an ARP bug in Linux > or kermit involving bad behavior when one side already knows the address. > These kinds of bugs come up more often than you might imagine since > the ARP process for mainly-client programs is usually one way and the > reverse process may be only lightly tested. Keep in mind that the answerer > of an ARP request also retains the address of the caller to avoid sending > an ARP itself. Starting with both machines ignorant of the hardware > addresses, the process might go like this: > > kermit -> ARP-REQUEST -> Linux (saves kermit's hardware address) > Linux -> ARP-RESPONSE -> kermit > > Since this is the most common sequence, kermit probably doesn't have to > answer ARP requests at all most of the time. True, but MSK does answer ARPs all the time the TCP stack is active (while there is a session going). MSK does regular ARP caching too, but it does not timeout the entries for the currently used remote hosts. The bug seems to be in Linux. > | I tried pinging the MSK machine from the Linux machine, but it > | does not respond. However, if I hand-entered the HW address for > | the MSK machine, then deleted this entry from the arp cache, and > | then added it again, I could reestablish input/output being shown > | on the MSK machine, and everything seems to work as it should. > > You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit > isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. (It could also be that > Linux isn't sending them at all, but that would be such a devastating > error that it would have been noticed long ago. I hope.) I think there > are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on the situation. > First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that > has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell > you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. > If it doesn't respond then it has somehow been corrupted (or doesn't > respond to ARPs in general). If it does respond then it may be that kermit > has a problem answering ARPs when it already knows the peer's hardware > address. If it does not respond, move on to the next test: > > Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this > and still have the tcp running?). Now try to ping kermit from a machine > which has no ARP entry for kermit. If this works and the first test failed This won't work as intended because MSK does not run its TCP/IP stack until a session has started (or is starting). After all, why run a TCP/IP stack if it's not being used? Probing MSK and the Linux box from a third uninvolved machine is a good thing to do, however. Ping and traceroute both work with MSK. Something else to keep in mind is another station coming on the air with MSK's IP number. That clobbers ARP caches. MSK 3.14 checks for another station using it's IP address when the TCP/IP stack is started. (It ARPs for its own IP number and declares any response an imposter. I had to insert an special case to work around echoing by NDIS drivers.) > then it is likely the program is becoming corrupted somehow. If the second > test fails then kermit doesn't respond to ARPs at all (seems unlikely) or > you have some obscure problem with broadcasts and/or frame types that is > blocking ARPs in one direction. (Don't laugh; I've seen it.) I'm not laughing either. I've encountered worse. > The general idea is that things can work remarkably well with ARPs functioning > in only one direction and it takes something like a short cache timeout to > bring the problem to light. Consider that one end could be totally incapable > of receiving broadcasts (bad NIC, bad driver, etc.) and it would still appear > to function normally as long as it always ARP'ed first and the peer had a long > timeout. There are still some rather unusual (eg, wierd) situations where ARP responses simply don't get through. I don't know why, but they don't. One always suspects one piece of code or another and probably one does have a problem, but the saying "it does not happen here" applies to make diagnosis difficult. Joe D. > Dan Lanciani > ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 17:08:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 05:57:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 05:57:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!cddc.demon.co.uk From: Brenda Robb Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Transfer Date: Mon, 04 Sep 1995 17:08:11 GMT Organization: City Of Dundee District Council Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: <33642358wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> References: <1995Aug31.092748.60213@cc.usu.edu> <702050560wnr@cddc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: cddc.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Monday, Sep 04, 1995 17.08.11 GMT X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article: <1995Aug31.092748.60213@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > If you read the release notes accompanying MSK v3.14 you will > discover that TerminalR/S macros had to be abandoned because DEC used > the communication codes for other purposes, sigh. In their places is the > much more general APC command, details of which are in the notes. I think > you will like the APC command better. > While you are rummaging around, may I recommend upgrading C Kermit > to the modern era. It is version 5A(190) these days. Please visit > kermit.columbia.edu for the latest Kermits. > Joe D. > Thanks Joe We are now up and running using the APC command, and I've also upgraded my C Kermit as suggested. The original didn't quite work with APC Thanks again _______________________________________________________________________ Brenda Robb City of Dundee District Council Dundee Scotland Email brenda@cddc.demon.co.uk Tel: +44 (0)382 434168 (direct line) All views expressed are my own not my employers From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 4 19:16:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:25:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 07:25:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Message-Id: <1995Sep5.001622.8668@ais.com> Date: 5 Sep 95 00:16:22 EST References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 61 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jeffb@world.std.com (Jeffrey T Berntsen) writes: > jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) writes: >>hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi (Paul Hounsell) writes: > >>> I really wish the developers would re-consider about doing a >>>true GUI version of kermit that could be ported to Windows. > >>See today's KERMIT news from Frank da Cruz: Kermit 95 will be out later >>this year. That's the good news; the bad news is that it won't be freeware >>like the older KERMIT packages from Columbia. Frank estimated the street >>price to be US$54; bulk, site, and academic pricing is being worked out. > >>I don't really like having to pay for it (or anything else, for that >>matter) but it's difficult to argue with Frank's quite valid point that >>everybody seems to be using KERMIT and few people are paying Columbia >>anything for it. Idealism is fine, but somehow you've got to get enough >>money to pay the bills. I spent twenty years in academia and I'm too >>painfully aware of funding problems. > > All true, and I can see your and Frank's point. I still don't have to like > it though. I think this charging for a version of kermit instead of its > media (such as the kermit tapes available from Columbia) or its documentation > is going to earn KERMIT, Columbia U., and Frank a great deal of ill will in > the user community. I disagree. I think most people realize that you don't usually get anything for free, and that the network community was very fortunate to have people as dedicated as Frank and others who put out what amounted to free software. The alternatives to this were probably either to shut down the Kermit effort entirely, or to convert it to some kind of groupware effort like the Linux project. In either case Columbia University would be out of the picture as far as any kind of support goes; and Frank would not be available for user support at anywhere near the level he has been, if he would be available at all. Is this what everyone wants? Is anyone being forced to upgrade? (Kermit 3.14 works perfectly well under Windows 95 except that you can't have both the Windows 95 TCP/IP stack and the Kermit TCP/IP stack active at once). Personally I think this is a much better approach to providing funding for the Kermit project than what I think was the rather ill-advised effort to have Kermit 3.* removed from BBSes and CD-ROMs. _That_ generated considerable ill will because it all seemed so peculiar: `You can use this software for free as long as you get it from our FTP site, but you can't put it on a CD or a BBS.' The only effects I could see were that this might reduce the total number of Kermit users and make those who still used it put even more load on the Columbia FTP sites (therefore requiring more support hardware...). At the time I suggested that perhaps Kermit 3.* should be converted to shareware (I bought the book, but how many others did? Apparently not enough), but I know there are some legal questions about whether that's possible; and whether for that reason or for other reasons, Columbia did not think it in their interest to do so. I hope this solves Kermit's funding problems; maybe they'll even be able to provide more enhancements with the additional revenue. I wish Frank and Columbia University good luck with their venture; I know I'll be getting a copy of it. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 17:57:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:28:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 15:28:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!news.ecn.bgu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <2980@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 5 Sep 95 17:57:25 GMT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | | Supplementing Dan's decent advice... | | In article <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: | > In article <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: | True, but MSK does answer ARPs all the time the TCP stack is | active (while there is a session going). MSK does regular ARP caching | too, but it does not timeout the entries for the currently used remote | hosts. The bug seems to be in Linux. I'd say that the limited information so far provided points to hardware/ drivers or kermit more than Linux, but at this point anything is possible. (This is based on no internal knowledge of kermit or Linux but on the general understanding that some kinds of ARP bugs are much more likely to be noticed than others.) | > Start kermit fresh and don't connect to anything (I assume you can do this | > and still have the tcp running?). Now try to ping kermit from a machine | > which has no ARP entry for kermit. If this works and the first test failed | | This won't work as intended because MSK does not run its TCP/IP stack | until a session has started (or is starting). After all, why run a TCP/IP | stack if it's not being used? Well, I think we just demonstrated one reason. :) I suggest then that you modify the test to start kermit fresh with one connection to a random machine and do the ping as soon as possible from another machine. Of course, this is only interersting if the first test failed, so maybe you don't need to do it at all. The idea was just to try to determine whether the hardware (or kermit image) was becoming corrupt over time. | Something else to keep in mind is another station coming on the | air with MSK's IP number. That clobbers ARP caches. This can't be happening in the case in question since it would result in an incorrect ARP entry on the Linux machine (as opposed to the lack of any entry as observed). |MSK 3.14 checks for | another station using it's IP address when the TCP/IP stack is started. | (It ARPs for its own IP number and declares any response an imposter. I | had to insert an special case to work around echoing by NDIS drivers.) Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering out the ARP request from Linux? I wonder if there is anything unusual (but legal) about Linux ARP requests? A network trace of this problem would make diagnosis _so_ much easier... | There are still some rather unusual (eg, wierd) situations where ARP | responses simply don't get through. I don't know why, but they don't. One Is this in general or something specific to kermit? | always suspects one piece of code or another and probably one does have a | problem, but the saying "it does not happen here" applies to make diagnosis | difficult. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 20:11:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:35:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 16:35:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K-95 and TAPI Date: 5 Sep 1995 20:11:32 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 20 Message-Id: <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm very excited to hear about the newly available Kermit for Windows 95. I've got my order in. My question is how does Kermit interact with TAPI (or Telephony API)? Will it co-exist with my MSN connection and Internet connection as well as TAPI compliant FAX programs? Is there a way to dial into my machine and have the new connection forwarded to a Kermit script? Just trying to plan ahead. Thanks, Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 21:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:41:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 19:41:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 5 Sep 1995 16:06:03 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <42ie3r$cfo@Mars.mcs.com> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <1995Sep4.170019.60531@cc.usu.edu> <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: >Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering >out the ARP request from Linux? I wonder if there is anything unusual (but >legal) about Linux ARP requests? A network trace of this problem would >make diagnosis _so_ much easier... I noticed some time ago that 3.14 would time out and lose it's connection to AT&T Svr4 machines but not to Dell Svr4. But, I mostly have winsock stacks these days so I went back to 3.12 on the dos machines and it doesn't have the problem. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 5 10:57:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:10:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 5 Sep 1995 23:10:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep5.165735.60618@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 Sep 95 16:57:35 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <42ie3r$cfo@Mars.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42ie3r$cfo@Mars.mcs.com>, les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: > In article <2980@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: > >>Wouldn't it be funny if that special case was somehow accidentally filtering >>out the ARP request from Linux? I wonder if there is anything unusual (but >>legal) about Linux ARP requests? A network trace of this problem would >>make diagnosis _so_ much easier... > > I noticed some time ago that 3.14 would time out and lose it's connection > to AT&T Svr4 machines but not to Dell Svr4. But, I mostly have > winsock stacks these days so I went back to 3.12 on the dos machines > and it doesn't have the problem. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com -------- As always, I remain attentive to these problems, even if I can't nail down the effect at my place. MSK sits for hours to my SVR4 machine and finally the latter decides that I've gone home and logs me out. It's a UnixWare 2.02 box. The comment that Linux loses its ARP cache entry and can't communicate until it's filled in by subtrafuge leads one to believe there is a Linux problem. For tracking ARP requests arriving at an MSK machine I have available privately a special version which displays each such incoming request. Please contact me directly (jrd@cc.usu.edu) for the test tool; it is NOT for general distribution, please, so don't ask without a really good story plus a note from your Mom. To record who said what to whom on a very short time scale basis we have the Crynwr Collection Trace and Dump programs. Trace has only a 55KB (approx) buffer in which to write packets and that does not last long on a network. Netwatch can show things visually, if desired. Both are free. See netlab1.usu.edu pub/mirror/pktdrvr and pub/netwatch, resp. Finally, on Dan's thread, MSK can be made Internet active without a remote host (and hence respond to Pings etc) by putting it into TN server mode: SET PORT TCP * and then CONNECT. The star means be a Telnet server. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 03:43:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:29:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:28:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!world!jrs From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT Message-Id: Sender: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) Organization: The Internet References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:43:33 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > From: jrs@world.std.com (Rick Sladkey) > Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 > Date: Sun, 3 Sep 1995 06:53:53 GMT > I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available > for Kermit for Windows 95? > From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) > Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 > Date: 3 Sep 1995 14:55:50 GMT > Some parts will, some parts won't. The parts that won't were all done > here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped. Partial source is just a token unless the user can recompile and/or relink the product themselves. Please, if you want to make your offering of source more than a pretense then please provide linkable objects or libraries for the rest of the system. Best of wishes on your commercial venture. Thanks again for all your support over the years. I will regret the missed opportunity of assisting in the process by finding bugs or porting to new operating systems. I will try to continue to support you in spite of your change in status. Remember to treat other platforms consistently and to begin charging for C-Kermit and MS-Kermit. Good luck. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 03:59:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:33:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:33:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!cygnus.com!news.zeitgeist.net!bdt.com!miwok!gorilla!holmes From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) Subject: change c-kermit lockfile? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Keywords: kermit lockfile Message-Id: Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 03:59:42 GMT Summary: Can I change the format & location of lockfiles? Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to change the format & location of the c-kermit lockfile? I am running linux and want the lock to be ascii, not binary, and other than in /usr/spool/uucp. Right now I have altered all the other serial port apps to use binary locks and have put a symbolic link to /var/lock, where I want the locks to be. Can I change it so that the locks are ascii and in /var/lock? Thanks for any insight into this. Tim Holmes holmes@gorilla.nbn.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 08:11:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:56:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 04:56:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!inet!unikh From: unikh@inet.uni-c.dk (Klaus Hessellund) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cancel File transfer Date: 6 Sep 1995 08:11:53 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <42jl49$t7b@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet.uni-c.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, How do I cancel a filetransfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol? I think zmodem is canceled by pressing -x several times, but I'm not sure. Regards Klaus Hessellund From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 07:10:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:10:45 GMT Message-Id: References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , >Rick Sladkey wrote: >> I suppose it's obvious but I assume that source will not be available >> for Kermit for Windows 95? >> >Some parts will, some parts won't. The parts that won't were all done >here, at our own expense -- and that's money that must be recouped. > >This is not from a desire to be secretive, but rather because historically >code from our software has been incorporated into hundreds of commercial >and shareware programs, most often without permission. If the new Windows >95 code is of any value, and we believe it is, the same thing would happen >if we made it public. Our project was not established for that purpose. Frank, which of these hundreds of commercial and shareware programs have incorporated your Kermit source code in violation of Columbia's Copyright? According to your Kermit News #5 none of the other comms programs had a decent Kermit implementation. Have hundreds of authors filched your code since then??? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 07:24:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 06:48:12 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Pre-announcing Kermit for Windows 95 Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:24:09 GMT Message-Id: References: <425lub$4rr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42cflm$15a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >None of the communications software that has been announced for Windows 95 >is less expensive than Kermit 95. Most of it is in the $129 range. For >universities, our academic site licensing plan should allay all fears >about cost. This was posted yesterday. I haven't spammed the net with pre-announcements of the Windows-95 flavor of ZCOMM, so perhaps not everyone is familiar with ZCOMM. A beta test version of ZCOMM for Win95/NT has been up on the FTP site and TeleGodzilla. ZCOMM has a very favorable academic use provision, much better than the announcements I've seen for Kermit. Students may use unregistered copies of ZCOMM in the discharge of assigned coursework for the duration of the course without obligation to register. As always, unmodified ZCOMM archive files may be freely redistributed on BBS systems, information utilities, "shareware collection CDROMS", etc.. Check the web page www.omen.com -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 10:33:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:26:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 07:26:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!inet!unikh From: unikh@inet.uni-c.dk (Klaus Hessellund) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cancel File transfer Date: 6 Sep 1995 10:33:04 GMT Organization: News Server at UNI-C, Danish Computing Centre for Research and Education. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <42jtd0$l7o@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet.uni-c.dk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, How do I cancel a file tranfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol? I think zmodem is canceled with -x several times, but I'm not sure. Regards Klaus Hessellund From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 12:30:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 and TAPI Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:30:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <42k497$d03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com>, Brit Systems wrote: : I'm very excited to hear about the newly available Kermit for Windows 95. : I've got my order in. : : My question is how does Kermit interact with TAPI (or Telephony API)? : As much as it can if you want it to. If you choose a TAPI port, Kermit uses the TAPI driver, obtains your location info from TAPI for purposes of interpreting phone numbers, lets TAPI control and dial the modem, etc. Kermit 95 also lets you choose a "bare" COM port, in which case Kermit 95 does the dialing and serial i/o itself. : Will it co-exist with my MSN connection and Internet connection as : well as TAPI compliant FAX programs? : By using the TAPI Line Device, the port it is associated with is not locked by the application until a call is attempted. As long as your application uses TAPI, and you use a TAPI device instead of directly specifying a COM port, you can share the device. : Is there a way to dial into my machine and have the new connection : forwarded to a Kermit script? : A Kermit script can be written to configure any TAPI or Modem device for autoanswer mode. Kermit's INPUT, MINPUT, and SERVER commands can be used to process data after the call comes in. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 12:45:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:45:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:45:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: change c-kermit lockfile? Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:45:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <42k55a$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit lockfile Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim Holmes wrote: : Is it possible to change the format & location of the c-kermit lockfile? : Of course. You've got the source code, change it to whatever you like, at your own risk. As you will note, there are already two (2) different and incompatible lock file conventions for Linux, and dozens of them for other UNIX variations and releases thereof. Read the UNIX appendix of "Using C-Kermit" and/or the file ckuins.doc for details. : I am running linux and want the lock to be ascii, not binary, and other : than in /usr/spool/uucp. Right now I have altered all the other serial : port apps to use binary locks and have put a symbolic link to /var/lock, : where I want the locks to be. : The purpose of the lock file is to be where all applications can find it, so all of these applications will interoperate. Changing it is probably a bad idea. Eventually you will install another application, and another, and you'll have to go through this over and over again. : Can I change it so that the locks are ascii and in /var/lock? : You can change it any way you like if that's what you really want. Read the aforementioned references. In fact, maybe all you need to do is build Linux C-Kermit for the "other" lockfile standard, known as FSSTND: make linux KFLAGS=-DLINUXFSSTND This selects /var/lock as the lockfile directory and write the pid in ascii. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 12:49:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:49:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 08:49:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Cancel File transfer Date: 6 Sep 1995 12:49:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <42k5cd$dfi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42jl49$t7b@news.uni-c.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42jl49$t7b@news.uni-c.dk>, Klaus Hessellund wrote: >Hi All, > > >How do I cancel a filetransfer with the kermit and zmodem protocol? > >I think zmodem is canceled by pressing -x several times > Usually 5 times. With Kermit, as explained in all of the documentation, you have many options for cancellation: . 2 or consecutive 3 control C's (to a remote Kermit in packet mode) . To local Kermit: X = cancel current file, continue with group Z = cancel current file and return to prompt E = cancel with a fatal error (in case X or Z are not supported by the remote) In fact, when you start up a Kermit transfer, this legend is printed on your screen, at least if you are using real Kermit software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 17:06:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:13:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 16:13:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sol.caps.maine.edu!dartvax.dartmouth.edu!usenet From: randy.witlicki@hanover.valley.net (Randy Witlicki) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 17:06:29 GMT Organization: some Lines: 26 Message-Id: <42kk5c$afd@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: v1-p-26.valley.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have another data point to add and perhaps confuse things: I recently helped a library convert from a DOS based library automation package to a UNIX based system (Innopac from Innovative Interfaces). Most of the PCs are of the diskless 286 and 386 variety on a Novell Netware network. The protocol stack was monolithic IPX/NETX which I updated to current NETX with the odipkt shim so kermit could talk TCP/IP. The existing frame type was 802.3 so I added Ethernet_II to the Net.CFG files. (to be updated to Ethernet_II only at some future date). This is a single segment network with bridges, routers, or other outside connections. The Unix box is a Dec Alpha 3000. The PCs have DANET (Direct Access - Network) as their menu front end. So, to finally get to the problem: After about 10 minutes of sitting idle, the Kermit TCP/IP connection to the UNIX box times out and the PC drops back to the menu program - it doesn't hang, no reboot needed, it just drops the connection after about 10 minutes.... - Randy From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 09:00:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:31:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:31:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC SERVER QUESTION Message-Id: <1995Sep6.150009.60685@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Sep 95 15:00:09 MDT References: <42kq7k$fb8@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42kq7k$fb8@ccnet2.ccnet.com>, gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) writes: > Hi all, > > I need some help with the Kermit server setup. I have the book > (excellent - good job guys) and have read the FAQ, but obviously not > all three synapses are not firing correctly ;-)! > > Here is what I am trying to do. At work, on this PC, I want to call > my PC at home and transfer files back and forth when the need arises. > Both PCs are running the latest version of CKermit, so the software is > OK. My script at home is: > > DEFINE GOSERVER - > SET CARRIER ON,- > SET PORT COM3:,- > SET SPEED 57600,- > SET FILE TYPE BINARY,- > SET RECEIVE-PACKET 9024,- > SET WINDOW 32,- > SET SERVER LOGIN x x,- > SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 > > then at the Kermit prompt I type GOSERVER and then I am presented with > the server screen, all OK. > > At work, I call my home PC and the number rings, and rings, and rings > until finally it times out. ----------- All is fine above, but I'll be you forgot to program your modem to answer the phone. That's normally ATS0=. See your modem's instruction booklet. Try it from another phone. You can save memory by reducing the number of sliding window slots to say 4. More won't be used on such a link. Save time by shortening packets to say 2KB so that a glitch will have fewer bytes to repeat. Little is gained abouve 1KB packet lengths (the packet header overhead is small to begin with). The server will follow text/binary from MSK 3.14 client, so just use SET FILE TYPE Binary/Text on the client and the server will obey too. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 18:41:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:36:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 19:36:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!ccnet.com!usenet From: gbernard@dbc.com (Greg Bernard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC SERVER QUESTION Date: Wed, 06 Sep 1995 18:41:23 GMT Organization: Data Broadcasting Corporation Lines: 32 Message-Id: <42kq7k$fb8@ccnet2.ccnet.com> Reply-To: gbernard@dbc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.217.9.49 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I need some help with the Kermit server setup. I have the book (excellent - good job guys) and have read the FAQ, but obviously not all three synapses are not firing correctly ;-)! Here is what I am trying to do. At work, on this PC, I want to call my PC at home and transfer files back and forth when the need arises. Both PCs are running the latest version of CKermit, so the software is OK. My script at home is: DEFINE GOSERVER - SET CARRIER ON,- SET PORT COM3:,- SET SPEED 57600,- SET FILE TYPE BINARY,- SET RECEIVE-PACKET 9024,- SET WINDOW 32,- SET SERVER LOGIN x x,- SET SERVER TIMEOUT 0 then at the Kermit prompt I type GOSERVER and then I am presented with the server screen, all OK. At work, I call my home PC and the number rings, and rings, and rings until finally it times out. Any ideas/thoughts/suggestion would be greatly appreciated. Greg Bernard gbernard@dbc.com 1900 South Norfolk Street All opinions, if I had any, are my own. San Mateo CA 94403 From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 00:35:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:35:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:35:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 and Windows NT Date: 7 Sep 1995 00:35:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <42lep8$h1f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frequently asked questions about Kermit 95: Q: Does Kermit 95 work in Windows 3.x or Windows for Workgroups 3.11? A: No. Kermit 95 is a strictly 32-bit application. MS-DOS Kermit is the Kermit software for Windows 3.0 and 3.1 and WfW 3.11. Q: Does Kermit 95 work in Windows NT Workstation 3.5x? A: Yes, beginning with NT version 3.51. Although all our development has been concentrated on Windows 95, we have done some extra work to allow it also to operate under Windows NT 3.51. It can run, for example, without the presence of the Windows Telephony (TAPI) DLL, which is not yet available for NT, and it can make serial connections using its own built-in serial-port handler. However, since Kermit 95 is primarily targeted at Windows 95, there might be some inconsistencies in the messages, banners, and so forth. This will be added to our Web page and will be expanded as more questions are frequently asked. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 00:40:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:40:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 6 Sep 1995 20:40:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 7 Sep 1995 00:40:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <42lf2d$hal@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi>, Paul Hounsell wrote: >Frank, I guess you are the person to answer this. What is the >upgrade policy for win95 kermit? In the future after I buy the program >will I then have to pay extra for the updates as they become available? > This upgrade and licensing of individual copies is still being worked out. We'll publish the details when we have have them. Also, note that site licenses include upgrades as long as the annual fee is paid. >And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? > Yes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 6 09:04:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:30:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 08:30:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep6.150417.60686@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Sep 95 15:04:17 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42kk5c$afd@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42kk5c$afd@dartvax.dartmouth.edu>, randy.witlicki@pop.valley.net (Randy Witlicki) writes: > I have another data point to add and perhaps confuse things: > > I recently helped a library convert from a DOS based library > automation package to a UNIX based system (Innopac from > Innovative Interfaces). Most of the PCs are of the diskless > 286 and 386 variety on a Novell Netware network. The > protocol stack was monolithic IPX/NETX which I updated > to current NETX with the odipkt shim so kermit could talk TCP/IP. > The existing frame type was 802.3 so I added Ethernet_II to > the Net.CFG files. (to be updated to Ethernet_II only at some > future date). This is a single segment network with > bridges, routers, or other outside connections. > The Unix box is a Dec Alpha 3000. > The PCs have DANET (Direct Access - Network) as their > menu front end. > > So, to finally get to the problem: After about 10 minutes of > sitting idle, the Kermit TCP/IP connection to the UNIX box > times out and the PC drops back to the menu program - it > doesn't hang, no reboot needed, it just drops the connection > after about 10 minutes.... ---------- Hmmmm, as they say. I have an idea, one needing a little assistance from your side. The idea is the other end is using one method of TCP session keepalives and Kermit is expecting another. The assistance is to record packets around the ten minute mark and send me the ASCII packet dumps. That takes a packet monitor, and ones doing nifty recording/dumps are not free. Anyone else able to duplicate this experimental setup? Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 13:51:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:27:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28370 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 10:27:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 and TAPI Date: 7 Sep 1995 13:51:53 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Lines: 8 Message-Id: <42mtdp$mse@feenix.metronet.com> References: <42iatk$bi5@feenix.metronet.com> <42k497$d03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you, that is exactly what I wanted to hear. Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 15:00:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:38:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 7 Sep 1995 23:38:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit file transfer between VMS and Windows. Message-Id: <1995Sep7.210043.60814@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Sep 95 21:00:43 MDT References: <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it>, mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi) writes: > Hi, > > I'm trying to write a win 16 software to transfer file from a VMS server and a > PC. I bought the saxsoft's saxcomm libs to get kermit protocol and the file > transfer seems to work correctly. The problem is that i have no idea on how can > i send commands to the VMS running kermit in server mode. Is it enough to send a > simple string with the proper command (eg. get file) or is there a real protocol > behind the command you send with mskermit? ---------- There is a full protocol behind those commands, not simple text strings. I have not encountered saxcomm so I'll pass by comments on its Kermit protocol implementation. The rules to the game are contained in a book, "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, and supplemented by more recent protocol additions described in files on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 00:36:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:11:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 03:11:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!balsam!balsam From: honeycutt@unca.edu (Mike Honeycutt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 8 Sep 1995 00:36:28 GMT Organization: UNC Asheville University Computing Lines: 49 Message-Id: <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <1995Aug30.001315.22366@mercury.ncat.edu> <1995Aug30.082416.60077@cc.usu.edu> <423ovc$7ia@cc.joensuu.fi> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: mikeh.cc.unca.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Let me begin by saying I have the highest respect for Frank, Joe and everyone who contributed to the Kermit effort over the years. At the very least, these people deserve our thanks and praise. The two main attractions of Kermit to us are it is basically free and it is basically free. If the Windows 95 version is commercial, I would have very serious doubts about how well it could compete with the dozens of other Windows' communication programs already available. As for tech support, I handle almost all of it for our campus and post questions to this newsgroup two or three times a year. I figure you do your part and I do mine. I applaud your academic pricing and your feature list for Kermit 95 but unfortunately, it *always* comes down to which product offers the most bang for the least bucks for us. I've used Kermit since the mid-80's and it is like an old friend (and still has the best VT220, VT320 emulation I've found). The interface was never super friendly but it was free after all. I don't mean for this message to sound like the death of Kermit but in the beginning, Kermit seemed to be a labor of love - I regret things have to change with the Windows' version. How about some reasonably small sum of money - maybe $500 - paid to Columbia each year for unlimited site license. We agree to provide tech support for the product and have only one person per site who can call Columbia for support. I suggest trying the honor system and to (politely) refuse help to sites that don't pay. I don't know what kind of expenses you currently incur but this scheme quickly produces a lot of money (1000 sites * $500 = $500,000 a year). Let me close by saying I truly hope the new Windows' version succeeds. The Kermit team deserves much more recognition - include financial - than it has ever received. Good Luck Mike Honeycutt UNC Asheville University Computing honeycutt@unca.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 15:04:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:11:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 08:11:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!hawk.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 07 Sep 1995 15:04:37 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Message-Id: References: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@hawk.hcsc.com Nntp-Posting-Host: amberxt.ssd.csd.harris.com In-Reply-To: hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi's message of 4 Sep 1995 06:02:31 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? I second that question, and raise with another: Will the Windows version have the ability to fully control exactly what each and every keystroke generates in terminal emulation mode? (Like I can do in DOS). (I keep seeing all sorts of people saying kermit isn't as fully featured as this or that other program, but the one feature I use most in kermit is the ability to remap keys with different strings being generated for different Alt/Ctrl/Shift combinations, and most, if not all, other terminal emulators I have looked at are really pitiful when it comes to letting you program the keyboard, so from my point of view, kermit is much more fully featured than all those other products...) -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Home: 511 Kingbird Circle Delray Beach FL 33444 Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 Support Project Vote Smart! They need your support in non-election years too! (email pvs@neu.edu, 1-800-622-SMART, http://www.vote-smart.org) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 15:10:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:10:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:10:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: What is the upgrade policy of kermit for win 95? Date: 8 Sep 1995 15:10:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <42pmdg$9l1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42e4pn$qa3@cc.joensuu.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Horsley wrote: : >And finially will this run on win nt 3.51+ system? : : I second that question... : The answer is: Yes, it will run on Windows NT Workstation 3.51 on Intel platforms only. Later there will be an NT-specific release whose major difference from the Windows 95 version will be the ability to run on non-Intel platforms. Just out of curiosity... How many client NT systems are out there? We had been under the impression that only a few NT systems were running at each site, in a kind of experimental or evaluation mode. Not that it makes a difference, but we have been surprised by the amount of feedback of this nature, and the more we know about the user base, the better we can apportion our efforts. : ... and raise with another: Will the Windows version : have the ability to fully control exactly what each and every keystroke : generates in terminal emulation mode? (Like I can do in DOS). : : (I keep seeing all sorts of people saying kermit isn't as fully featured : as this or that other program, but the one feature I use most in kermit : is the ability to remap keys with different strings being generated for : different Alt/Ctrl/Shift combinations, and most, if not all, other : terminal emulators I have looked at are really pitiful when it comes to : letting you program the keyboard, so from my point of view, kermit is : much more fully featured than all those other products...) : From ours too :-) Kermit 95 will have at least as much flexibility on the keyboard as MS-DOS Kermit. We will absolutely positively differentiate each key combo, rather than lumping certain combinations together. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 15:27:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:27:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 11:27:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 8 Sep 1995 15:27:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu>, Mike Honeycutt wrote: : Let me begin by saying I have the highest : respect for Frank, Joe and everyone who : contributed to the Kermit effort over the : years. At the very least, these people : deserve our thanks and praise. : Thanks! : The two main attractions of Kermit to us are : it is basically free and it is basically : free. : I can understand that. Everybody would prefer to get stuff for free than to pay for it. : If the Windows 95 version is commercial, : I would have very serious doubts about how : well it could compete with the dozens of other : Windows' communication programs already available. : Let's hope it holds its own. Otherwise, we're outa here. Simple as that. Developing and supporting Kermit software on the scale that its present usage demands is a full-time job for a certain number of people. People need food, shelter, etc, and therefore need salaries. The reality is, we need more people than we have now, not less, in order to support even the present level of usage. Because of the "new spirit" of the Internet and the proliferation of "free software" CDROMS, the demands on our time are higher than ever and income is lower than ever. The old model does not work any more. : How about some reasonably small sum of money ... : paid to Columbia each year for unlimited site : license. : That is exactly what our academic site license is. The dollar amount might differ from the one you propose, but not by much. It won't break anybody's budget. : Let me close by saying I truly hope the : new Windows' version succeeds. The Kermit : team deserves much more recognition - include : financial - than it has ever received. : Thanks! - Frank P.S. The Kermit 95 Web page is updated about once a day. Now we have academic site licensing info, screen shots, an FAQ, and more: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Drop by any time! From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 20:11:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:43:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 14:43:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <42njee$en7@newstand.syr.edu> Control: cancel <42njee$en7@newstand.syr.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 20:11:47 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 7 Message-Id: <42njga$en7@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-130.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 19:32:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 16:46:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: C-Kemir from a cron job Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:32:32 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically timed in the evening). I've tried running it in the background and it crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file. anyone else ever tried this? -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A system without COBOL or FORTRAN || | (419) 882-1113 || | is like a piece of chocolate cake || | FAX (419) 882-2911 || | without ketchup and mustard || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 21:30:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:58:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 17:58:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: Rick Owens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 21:30:11 GMT Organization: Flathead Valley Community College Lines: 59 Message-Id: <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated >in several ways: > . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. > . New patch files have been issued. > . A new font utility is now included. >The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a >period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become >the official version. Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH >files have been installed in all the regular places: Um, there may still be a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. First, some background: Our campus network is composed of an Ethernet backbone and an Arcnet backbone. The two are connected through our primary Novell file server (3.11, FWIW). We've been using Kermit with ODI drivers to connect to the Unix hosts on our network (all such hosts are connected to the Ethernet backbone) for about two years now. We're planning to make some major changes in the next few months, and in preparation I've been updating our set of Kermit scripts for MS-Kermit 3.14 and to take advantage of other changes to available software, servers, etc. Several days ago I downloaded the updated 3.14 mentioned above and today I put kermit.exe and the patch files on the file server for everyone to access. I found, though, that our users on Arcnet machines could no longer access our Unix hosts; Kermit would complain that it could not find the address of the gateway using ARP. (Ethernet connected machines work just fine with the same set of files.) I suspected that there might be a problem with the patch file so I renamed it; same result. I tried tweaking various settings without any luck; finally I thought to try the earlier version of 3.14. That fixed the problem! The machines in question are running MS-DOS 6, 5, and 3.3. The ODI driver is called TRXNET; the boards are mostly Compex brand. The only difference between a working setup and a non-working setup is which version of the executable and patch file is in place. I said 'may' in the first line above because I'm not very familiar with TCP/IP internals and how they're interacting with ODI and the Arcnet driver and card, and I don't have the resources here to do comparison testing. I would not be surprised to find that there's something peculiar in the TRXNET board driver which is responsible for the error message from MS-Kermit re. ARP. It could also be something strange with the NLM which forwards IP and ARP packets between media. However, in case it is a Kermit problem, I figured I should let everyone know about it. If anyone needs more information about our setup (e.g. file dates, or whatever) please ask. /--------------------------------------------------------\ | All opinions are personal unless stated otherwise. | |--------------------------------------------------------| | Rick Owens, Computer Op. Tech. | | Flathead Valley Community College | | "When the moment dies / the spark still flies / | | reflected in another pair of eyes!" | | --Rush, 'Chain Lightning' | \--------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 23:18:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:18:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:18:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kemir from a cron job Date: 8 Sep 1995 23:18:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <42qj0l$43o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , craig szczublewski wrote: >Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit >in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically >timed in the evening). I've tried running it in the background and it >crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file. > >anyone else ever tried this? > Lots of people, including me, do it all the time. Kermit does not write into /tmp unless you tell it to -- it's probably cron or something related to it. Unfortunately, your question is much to vague to result in a useful answer. What operating system and version? Which version of Kermit? Exactly how are you starting it and where is it getting its commands from and what are the commands? etc etc. In general, the best method is to tell Kermit to read its commands from a file, and to redirect its standard output to some other file, for example (a cron job that runs every four hours): 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * (cd /usr/olaf; kermit -y /oofa.scr > oofa.log) where oofa.scr is a file containing all the commands you want C-Kermit to execute. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 20:52:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 19:52:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!usenet From: jeremy hinman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit doesn't recognize busy signal, other problems Date: 8 Sep 1995 20:52:39 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <42qaen$p03@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: stumac.stanford.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit 5 on a Sparc 10 running Solaris 2.4 with a Hayes Smartmodem 1200. When I dial and the number is busy, kermit simply waits until the dial timeout interval has expired, then reports that error (dial timeout expired). Is there a set command I should use to make Kermit respond with an error message to a busy signal ? Also, if the modem is not connected to the phone line, Kermit will still dial the number and wait util the timeout has expired. Should it be looking for a dialtone? How about recognizing a ring? All of the internal switches on the modem are set correctly for returning error codes, etc. , and kermit works fine with the modem if everything's connected correctly and the number is not busy. Any ideas? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 7 23:54:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:17:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 8 Sep 1995 21:17:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita.tip.net!t500.vol.it!news From: mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit file transfer between VMS and Windows. Date: Thu, 07 Sep 1995 23:54:06 GMT Organization: Video On Line Lines: 19 Message-Id: <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: volbg26.vol.it X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to write a win 16 software to transfer file from a VMS server and a PC. I bought the saxsoft's saxcomm libs to get kermit protocol and the file transfer seems to work correctly. The problem is that i have no idea on how can i send commands to the VMS running kermit in server mode. Is it enough to send a simple string with the proper command (eg. get file) or is there a real protocol behind the command you send with mskermit? Thank you very much for your help. P.S. Please, send e-mail to me too. mrcznc@mbox.vol.it From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 8 20:53:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:19:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:19:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.algonet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita.tip.net!t500.vol.it!news From: mrcznc@mbox.vol.it (Marco Zanchi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit file transfer between VMS and Windows. Date: Fri, 08 Sep 1995 20:53:31 GMT Organization: Video On Line Lines: 20 Message-Id: <42q771$97@t500.vol.it> References: <42ntdk$6jn@t500.vol.it> <1995Sep7.210043.60814@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: volbg26.vol.it X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > There is a full protocol behind those commands, not simple text >strings. I have not encountered saxcomm so I'll pass by comments on its >Kermit protocol implementation. The rules to the game are contained in >a book, "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, and supplemented >by more recent protocol additions described in files on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Thank you for your answer. The problem now is that here in Italy it is not easy to find that book soon and i need it now. Also, I only need to know only a few information about the problem i told you about. Is there any place around the Net where I can find such documentation ? Bye mrcznc@mbox.vol.it From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 16:52:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:22:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 14:22:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!agate!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kemir from a cron job Date: 9 Sep 1995 11:52:47 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 37 Message-Id: <42sgov$nen@Venus.mcs.com> References: <42qj0l$43o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42qj0l$43o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article , >craig szczublewski wrote: >>Is there anything special that would have to be specified from c-kermit >>in order to run an upload (rather large) in the background (specifically >>timed in the evening). I've tried running it in the background and it >>crashes on me and fills up my /tmp filesystem with some junk file. >> >>anyone else ever tried this? >> >Lots of people, including me, do it all the time. Kermit does not write >into /tmp unless you tell it to -- it's probably cron or something related >to it. Cron normally collects stdout and mails it to the owner of the cron job, so the problem is likely kermit sending lots of stuff to stdout. >In general, the best method is to tell Kermit to read its commands from >a file, and to redirect its standard output to some other file, for >example (a cron job that runs every four hours): > > 0 0,4,8,12,16,20 * * * (cd /usr/olaf; kermit -y /oofa.scr > oofa.log) > >where oofa.scr is a file containing all the commands you want C-Kermit >to execute. I usually write a shell wrapper that will do some retries and report complete failures, although you could do that in the kermit script as well. Keep in mind that you don't ever want to go to 'connect' mode in a script - do everything with 'input' and 'output', and unless you are manually debugging, be sure 'take echo' and 'input echo' are turned off. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 05:49:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:01:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 15:01:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Message-Id: <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Sep 95 11:49:15 MDT References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net>, Rick Owens writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > >>As announced a few weeks ago, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 has been slightly updated >>in several ways: > >> . A new KERMIT.EXE fixes a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. >> . New patch files have been issued. >> . A new font utility is now included. > >>The ZIP file containing these updates was placed in kermit/msdos for a >>period of testing, and seems to have checked out OK, so it has now become >>the official version. Effective today (July 5), the new ZIP, EXE, and PCH >>files have been installed in all the regular places: > > Um, there may still be a problem with TCP/IP ARP resolution. First, some > background: Our campus network is composed of an Ethernet backbone and an > Arcnet backbone. The two are connected through our primary Novell file > server (3.11, FWIW). We've been using Kermit with ODI drivers to connect > to the Unix hosts on our network (all such hosts are connected to the > Ethernet backbone) for about two years now. We're planning to make some > major changes in the next few months, and in preparation I've been updating > our set of Kermit scripts for MS-Kermit 3.14 and to take advantage of other > changes to available software, servers, etc. > > Several days ago I downloaded the updated 3.14 mentioned above and today I > put kermit.exe and the patch files on the file server for everyone to > access. I found, though, that our users on Arcnet machines could no longer > access our Unix hosts; Kermit would complain that it could not find the > address of the gateway using ARP. (Ethernet connected machines work just > fine with the same set of files.) I suspected that there might be a > problem with the patch file so I renamed it; same result. I tried tweaking > various settings without any luck; finally I thought to try the earlier > version of 3.14. That fixed the problem! > > The machines in question are running MS-DOS 6, 5, and 3.3. The ODI driver > is called TRXNET; the boards are mostly Compex brand. The only difference > between a working setup and a non-working setup is which version of the > executable and patch file is in place. > > I said 'may' in the first line above because I'm not very familiar with > TCP/IP internals and how they're interacting with ODI and the Arcnet driver > and card, and I don't have the resources here to do comparison testing. I > would not be surprised to find that there's something peculiar in the > TRXNET board driver which is responsible for the error message from > MS-Kermit re. ARP. It could also be something strange with the NLM which > forwards IP and ARP packets between media. However, in case it is a Kermit > problem, I figured I should let everyone know about it. If anyone needs > more information about our setup (e.g. file dates, or whatever) please ask. ---------- Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes to ARP. An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got broken. I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP routing a NW server does in that case. I found that connections would cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. I'll see if I can resolve the situation. It's a little awkward because I have to take apart machines and move them to construct an ARCnet environment and then route IP to Ethernet. This may take several days because I'm eyeballs deep in swamp creatures already and students are about to descend upon my place en masse. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 20:32:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:53:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 18:53:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Message-Id: <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 9 Sep 95 20:32:51 GMT References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: [...] | Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes | to ARP. ODI makes your application completely media-independent... :) As long as your medium looks like Ethernet/802.3/802.5... :( |An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte | MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. I seem to recall that the answer here is that there isn't a simple answer. There is certainly an end where the node id appears (check the ODIPKT sources; I forget which end it is), but there are other cases where all six bytes are significant. For example, I think you get into trouble unless you set all six bytes to ff for a broadcast, at least on some drivers. | The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, | 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the | MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got | broken. The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT. It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver interface to the client (kermit in this case). I did all the original development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :) | I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that | arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP | routing a NW server does in that case. Funny, I've found most users of the server's IP routing features to have no trouble. It does (did?) enforce some subnetting restrictions a little too enthusiastically, but I guess one can't blame them for following the RFCs... |I found that connections would | cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. I wonder if this is related to the Linux ARP problem described earlier? Like Linux, the NW server does time out ARP entries. Perhaps something similar is happeneing? Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 9 11:13:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:42:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 9 Sep 1995 20:42:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Message-Id: <1995Sep9.171325.60974@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Sep 95 17:13:25 MDT References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: > In article <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > [...] > | Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes > | to ARP. > > ODI makes your application completely media-independent... :) As long > as your medium looks like Ethernet/802.3/802.5... :( Right, sure. I understand ODI rather well, but the picky hardware dependent things, say the other guy's MAC address, requires special handling outside the otherwise CS-clean ODI material. ARP is the dirtiest of the hardware parts. > |An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte > | MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. > > I seem to recall that the answer here is that there isn't a simple answer. > There is certainly an end where the node id appears (check the ODIPKT sources; > I forget which end it is), but there are other cases where all six bytes are > significant. For example, I think you get into trouble unless you set all > six bytes to ff for a broadcast, at least on some drivers. You are beginning to see what the muddle is. > | The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, > | 6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the > | MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got > | broken. > > The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT. > It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver > interface to the client (kermit in this case). I did all the original > development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :) Good suggestion Dan. Tnx. > | I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that > | arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP > | routing a NW server does in that case. > > Funny, I've found most users of the server's IP routing features to have > no trouble. It does (did?) enforce some subnetting restrictions a little > too enthusiastically, but I guess one can't blame them for following > the RFCs... It's not straight IP routing that's the problem; it's the media conversion involved (all that grubby hardware-specific stuff on the ARCnet side). Thanks for the comments, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 10 19:56:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:36:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12590 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 10 Sep 1995 17:36:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!Aachen.Germany.EU.net!rmi.de!sun2.cadis.de!graulich From: graulich@cadis.de (Robert Graulich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: (Q) how to download with zmodem? Date: 10 Sep 1995 19:56:24 GMT Organization: Cadis GmbH Lines: 7 Message-Id: <42vft8$7rl@sun2.cadis.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: elc2.cadis.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use c-kermit to talk with a BBS. Kermit connects with the telnet command to the modem. How can I configure kermit to receive a file using 'rz'? Is this possible? Thanks in advance, Robert From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 03:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 02:46:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 02:46:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.sesqui.net!saratoga.compassnet.com!usenet From: rickr@compassnet.com (Rick Russell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 03:44:28 GMT Organization: Compass Net, Inc. Lines: 30 Message-Id: <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <4273ee$k9l@reuters2.mitre.org> <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: rickr@compassnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 198.66.160.73 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > The reality is, we need more people > than we have now, not less, in order to support even > the present level of usage. Because of the "new > spirit" of the Internet and the proliferation of > "free software" CDROMS, the demands on our time are > higher than ever and income is lower than ever. The > old model does not work any more. Maybe I'm just a dumb guy, but couldn't you provide a freeware version and a commercial version, and just (politely) refuse support for people who don't buy the program? Perhaps a card in each commercial package with a printed checksum that can be checked against a formula? I mean, geez, I was the point-main for MS-Kermit at a university for a couple of years, and it never even occurred to me to bother Columbia with my problems. That's what "free" means -- no pay, no tech support. And, yes, my university library bought several copies of the MS-Kermit book. I really like MS-Kermit though -- even in the world of SLIP/PPP and Netscape, I still use it. I hope the W95 version enjoys similar success. Rick R. Rick Russell // rickr@compassnet.com // IRCnick: Cobalt From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 00:33:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:30:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 04:30:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu!wirt From: wirt@u.washington.edu (Brian Wirt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Speeding up Kermit Date: 11 Sep 1995 00:33:31 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 24 Message-Id: <43004r$hkp@nntp5.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: saul2.u.washington.edu Nntp-Posting-User: wirt Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all, I'm still a novice to the whole Kermit thing and I was wondering if someone could help me out. My problem is that transfer of compressed files from a host to my home PC runs only around 600cps (i.e. zip files) on a 14.4 modem. Uncompressed files seem to transfer quite well. Here are the parameters I'm using: set file type binary set receive packet 1024 set window 4 set send packet-length 1024 set block 2 Can anyone spot if I'm missing something? Thanks for any replies! E-mail would be preferable. -- Brian Wirt wirt@u.washington.edu Seattle, Washington From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 13:14:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:14:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 09:14:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Speeding up Kermit Date: 11 Sep 1995 13:14:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <431cnl$qmf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43004r$hkp@nntp5.u.washington.edu>, Brian Wirt wrote: : My problem is that transfer of compressed files from a host to my home PC : runs only around 600cps (i.e. zip files) on a 14.4 modem. Uncompressed : files seem to transfer quite well. Here are the parameters I'm using: : : set file type binary : set receive packet 1024 : set window 4 : set send packet-length 1024 : set block 2 : That's a good start. A few things to note: 1. The packet length is governed by the file receiver. Thus, when uploading you have to give the "set receive packet-length" command to the *other* Kermit program. The "set send packet-length" command doesn't do anything except override (and only downwards, never upwards) the *other* Kermit's packet-length request. 2. "set block 3" is recommended. It's generally a false economy to use less powerful block checks. Now, why is the transfer still so slow? 1. Check your flow control. Use hardware flow control if possible; otherwise you are likely to get buffer overruns, and therefore retransmissions. 2. Try a bigger window size. In general, the bigger the window size, the better, provided flow control is effective. 3. Try a bigger packet length if your connection is relatively noise free (and well-flow controlled). Finally, assuming you are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or C-Kermit 5A(189) or later, read in the update notes (KERMIT.UPD or ckcker.upd) about control-character "unprefixing", which will add another 25% to your throughput right away when transferring ZIP files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 14:19:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:19:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 10:19:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 11 Sep 1995 14:19:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <431ght$fp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <42o3jh$2qk_001@balsam.unca.edu> <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com>, Rick Russell wrote: >Maybe I'm just a dumb guy, but couldn't you provide a freeware version >and a commercial version, and just (politely) refuse support for people >who don't buy the program? Perhaps a card in each commercial package >with a printed checksum that can be checked against a formula? > That does not solve the entire problem. Tech support is only one of our burdens. There is also development, documentation, ftp site management, business management, and on and on. In any case, the world has proven to us that when it has a choice of getting something free or paying for it, "free" wins every time. >I really like MS-Kermit though -- even in the world of SLIP/PPP and >Netscape, I still use it. I hope the W95 version enjoys similar success. > Thanks. I think the price to universities is so close to free that it makes little difference to each university. But it makes a lot of difference to us. And ultimately to them too -- if so many universities depend on our software, I think they want us to continue to be here, developing it and supporting it. The problem with our stance on MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, etc ("please buy books") was that it was impossible for purchasing agents and budgeteers to understand. The policy on Kermit 95 could not be simpler, and everyone will benefit from it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 22:05:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:00:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:00:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!swrinde!sgigate.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 11 Sep 1995 22:05:35 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 41 Message-Id: <432brf$j7i@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <41vhn3$aeq@mikasa.iol.it> <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <430b3g$gtf@saratoga.compassnet.com> <431ght$fp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <431ght$fp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >That does not solve the entire problem. Tech support is only one of our >burdens. There is also development, documentation, ftp site management, >business management, and on and on. In any case, the world has proven >to us that when it has a choice of getting something free or paying >for it, "free" wins every time. Not necessarily. I've done some work at some sites that have an explicit policy: only fully licensed software can be run on their PC's. A license for *every* piece of software on each PC must be in the legal office. Freeware, shareware, or anything that isn't purchased isn't allowed. There are at least two reasons for this policy: 1. The lawyers wanted it. This makes perfect sense, in light of the lawsuit that Microsoft, etc. would launch against a large company if it was found running dozens of unlicensed copies of Word, Excel, etc. 2. System administration likes it. They only have to support (or pretend to support) a small number of packages. And they don't have their users installing all sorts of widgets and hacks that wreak havoc with keeping hundreds of PC's running. But as a result of this policy, I wasn't allowed to use MS-DOS Kermit at several sites. And let me tell you - the sorry excuse for a terminal emulator I had to run made my life miserable. How the f**k do these people get away with calling these things terminal emulators? I swear the writers of these crummy emulators must've never seen a real VT100. So I have one suggestion for Frank, or whoever actually packages up Windows-95 Kermit: please include a version of MS-DOS kermit which (by default) gets installed along with the Windows-95 version. Then it will at least be possible to buy Windows-95 Kermit as a way of getting MS-DOS Kermit to sites which have extremely restrictive software policies. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 00:01:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:19:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 20:19:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in2.uu.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!axe!ll1 From: Larry Levine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: Mon, 11 Sep 1995 17:01:53 -0700 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: axe.humboldt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a previously unseen problem... Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit will show the message, ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. A "set port 2" entered from the keyboard puts matters right. Of course there is also a "set port 2" in my mscustom.ini, and in my log-in script. What's going on? Suggestions for correcting this? From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 14:42:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22492 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:13:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 11 Sep 1995 23:13:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Sep 95 20:42:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Larry Levine writes: > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a > previously unseen problem... > > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit > will show the message, > > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > > A "set port 2" entered from the keyboard puts matters right. Of course > there is also a "set port 2" in my mscustom.ini, and in my log-in > script. > > What's going on? Suggestions for correcting this? ----------- I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to your machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 12:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:21:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:21:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!buffnet2.buffnet.net!usenet From: root Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit through telnet Date: 11 Sep 1995 12:23:03 GMT Organization: BuffNET Lines: 22 Message-Id: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: buffnet3.buffnet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.3.25 i386) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ok, first off what OS... Linux Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the session to sz rz or whatever I want... Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT modifing C-Kermit?! -- ________________ -= Andrew Kroll =---------------\ /------------------------------ Tired of Bill Gates? LL \ / Think Bill is getting MY CASH?? Win '95 sucks! DOS is OK. LL II NNNNN UU UU XX XX Linux! A free Un*x Want to turn your PC into LL II NN NN UU UU XXX clone for 386/486/P5's a powerful workstation? LLLLL II NN NN UUUUU XX XX FINALLY A -=REAL=- OS! -------------------------------------\ /--= =-- \ / \/ FREELY available at your favorite ftp site! From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 03:10:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:59:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 03:59:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!nwfocus1.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Kermit /var/lock permission Date: 12 Sep 1995 03:10:15 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 35 Message-Id: <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:72894 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3605 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Linux from the Dec 1994 InfoMagic 4 CD-ROM set. I've finally got my modem working but I now get a permission error when I start kermit. Seyon doesn't complain at all. I'm sure it's a head slapper but I can't figure out what the heck is going on. Here is the grab from my xterm: gryphon:~$ kermit /var/lock: Permission denied Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/modem ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, POSIX Type ? or HELP for help Linux Kermit> and here is the listing for kermit: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 373764 Jul 21 1994 /usr/bin/kermit and the /var/lock directory drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Sep 10 19:43 lock and subdir drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 1024 Sep 11 12:20 emacs Yeah I know I should get the latest version but I'd like to see this one working first. Thanks for any help, Rod From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 07:28:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:51:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:51:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!Gopher!schroedj From: schroedj@pcub30.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE (Juergen Schroeder) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit /var/lock permission Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 12 Sep 1995 07:28:45 GMT Organization: Library of the Philipps University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <433crd$t8@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> References: <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com> Reply-To: js@psub13.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE Nntp-Posting-Host: pcub30.ub.uni-marburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:72909 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3606 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Rod Anderson (andersr@comtch.iea.com) wrote: : gryphon:~$ kermit : /var/lock: Permission denied [..] : and the /var/lock directory : drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Sep 10 19:43 lock If you want start kermit not as root you have to set the permissions chmod a+w /var/lock because kermit wants to create an lockfile in this dir. Juergen From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 04:33:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:04:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:04:02 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: kermit through telnet Message-Id: <91QVww8Z7yZR084yn@netcom.com> Sender: jhurwit@netcom3.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 04:33:01 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root wrote: >ok, first off what OS... Linux > >Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the >session to sz rz or whatever I want... > >Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT >modifing C-Kermit?! C-Kermit will read from the standard input (instead of a file), if that's what you mean. 'kermit -s -' at your prompt or, if you want a file name sent with it, 'kermit -s - -a filename'. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 10:19:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:19:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 06:19:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Date: 12 Sep 1995 10:19:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42dodl$go@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine. ] >You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit >isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box. It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should do or what I should look for. >There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on >the situation. >First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that >has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell >you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no need to try the second test. I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response. However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response. However, this handloading technique does not always result in control being returned to the MSK machine, as I once reported. Meanwhile, some more information. After the MSK machine would not respond (this again means, no output on the screen. It is still possible to shell out to DOS, issue commands to the Linux box (as confirmed with a 'w' command from the console) etc., etc.), I tried to telnet to the same Linux machine as well as other machines. I got the error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response). I tried another experiment. I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache. The output stopped, as other times. It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just a return to the Kermit prompt. Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes, and I have not been able to reproduce the problem. It sounds like I should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong. I noticed in a recent message that there was an updated version of Kermit. I use a version from 18 Jan 95. Could this also be a possible source of the problem? So I put a copy of 21 May 1995 onto the MSK machine. Tried to connect to the Linux box and got: Unable to ARP resolve xxx.yyy.xxx.zzz However, I was able to telnet to other machines. Aaarrgh! I am really interested in solving this problem because we would like to use 8-bit characters, and other telnet programs do not behave as well as Kermit about this. Also, when these "freeze-ups" do happen, it does not seem proper that MS-Kermit should lockup on "exit" or "hangup" requiring a power-down to restart the machine. I just wanted to re-emphasize that point. Thanks for your patience with this jumbled and unclear information. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 11 19:26:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:56:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 07:56:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!metro.atlanta.com!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!infinet!jaimef From: jaimef@infinet.com (Jaime Fuhr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit/msdos xfer Date: 11 Sep 1995 19:26:03 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4322gb$sr8@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.infinet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just installed C-Kermit on our IBM/RS6000 and MS-DOS kermit on a PC. What I want to do is transfer files, by modem, to the RISC machine. I have found that the file xfer is very slow. Is there any way I can speed it up? I've tried adjusting the packet-length with no success. Also, has anyone seen any help files for writing scripts for kermit? Thanks! jaime -- ============================================================================== Jaime Fuhr jaimef@infinet.com System Administrator http://www.infinet.com/~jaimef Kemba Columbus Credit Union Columbus, Ohio '95 XLH-Loooooo "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times......" - Charles Dickens from A Tale of Two Cities ============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 12:29:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:29:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:29:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit through telnet Date: 12 Sep 1995 12:29:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <433ufr$7oh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root wrote: : ok, first off what OS... Linux : : Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the : session to sz rz or whatever I want... : : Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT : modifing C-Kermit?! : Yes. The command is REDIRECT. It is available in version 5A(190). See section 8.1 of the ckcker.upd file for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 12:31:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:31:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:31:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit/msdos xfer Date: 12 Sep 1995 12:31:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <433uje$7qg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4322gb$sr8@horus.infinet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4322gb$sr8@horus.infinet.com>, Jaime Fuhr wrote: >I have just installed C-Kermit on our IBM/RS6000 and MS-DOS kermit on >a PC. What I want to do is transfer files, by modem, to the RISC machine. >I have found that the file xfer is very slow. Is there any way I can >speed it up? > Yes. Please refer to the manual, info below, or the FAQ at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt >Also, has anyone seen any help files for writing scripts for kermit? > The information is in the manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +2 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 031-294247 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 12:41:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:41:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:41:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit /var/lock permission Date: 12 Sep 1995 12:41:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <433v58$81p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:72946 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3612 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <432tmn$eua@krel.iea.com>, Rod Anderson wrote: >Linux from the Dec 1994 InfoMagic 4 CD-ROM set. I've finally got my >modem working but I now get a permission error when I start kermit. >Seyon doesn't complain at all. > It's always nice to hear when somebody buys our copyrighted software from a third party who has never bothered to ask our permission to sell it. I suggest that you obtain technical support from the company that sold it to you. They have your money. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 11:29:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:57:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:57:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: wsm0@Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: 12 Sep 1995 07:29:03 -0400 Lines: 15 Message-Id: <433qtv$1g3p@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns5-1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I get a similar error on a Thinkpad 350 under ms-windows after using the 'suspend' feature and resuming. thereafter windows is messed up as far as that port is concerned. wayne -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ** BE PREPARED TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE ** /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ * People die, 8 per day on the transplant waiting list, for lack of a donor. ** Your family must know your wishes *!now!* because their agreement is required at the time donation is to take place. Questions? See the FAQ: -- ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/bit.listserv.transplant/ Wayne S. Mery Systems Programmer, Lehigh University 610-758-3983 wsm0@lehigh.edu http://www.lehigh.edu/~wsm0 610-974-6434(fax) VSE/ESA 1.2, VM/HPO 5 http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/vse-l/ (VSE mailing list) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 01:53:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:27:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:26:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <1995Sep12.075302.61110@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Sep 95 07:53:02 MDT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 84 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: > > [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the > terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux > (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine. ] > >>You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit >>isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. > > I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box. > It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should > do or what I should look for. > >>There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on >>the situation. >>First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that >>has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell >>you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. > > I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no > need to try the second test. > > I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response. > However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet > card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response. > > However, this handloading technique does not always result in control being > returned to the MSK machine, as I once reported. > > Meanwhile, some more information. After the MSK machine would not > respond (this again means, no output on the screen. It is still possible > to shell out to DOS, issue commands to the Linux box (as confirmed with a > 'w' command from the console) etc., etc.), I tried to telnet to the same > Linux machine as well as other machines. I got the error message: > Unable to ARP resolve gateway > > This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response). This rather clearly indicates that the Linux TCP/IP stack has real problems with its ARP cache and destination MAC address handling. > I tried another experiment. I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately > deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache. The output stopped, as other > times. It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was > impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just > a return to the Kermit prompt. Ditto. > Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have > tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes, > and I have not been able to reproduce the problem. It sounds like I > should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a > cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong. > > I noticed in a recent message that there was an updated version of Kermit. > I use a version from 18 Jan 95. Could this also be a possible source of the > problem? Not that I can deduce. > So I put a copy of 21 May 1995 onto the MSK machine. Tried to connect to > the Linux box and got: Unable to ARP resolve xxx.yyy.xxx.zzz > However, I was able to telnet to other machines. > > Aaarrgh! I am really interested in solving this problem because we > would like to use 8-bit characters, and other telnet programs do not > behave as well as Kermit about this. How about talking to the Linux News groups for hints. You are not the only person to report such problems. > Also, when these "freeze-ups" do happen, it does not seem proper that > MS-Kermit should lockup on "exit" or "hangup" requiring a power-down > to restart the machine. I just wanted to re-emphasize that point. If MSK sends a TCP segment which requires an acknowledgment from the other end then it must wait and wait for it, and finally give up after a long interval. The process of tearing down a connection does the same (tries a proper FIN close, then if necessary sends an RST and bails out, but the FIN close has time delays. Unack'd data requires waiting, and FIN, and waiting...). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 20:28:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:34:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news4.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 hanging on idle TCP/IP connection? Message-Id: <2992@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 12 Sep 95 20:28:21 GMT References: <42d2u9$edt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <433mrn$49i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: | | In article <2979@sun3.ipswitch.com>, Dan Lanciani wrote: | | [stuff deleted about how a MSK machine would lose control of the | terminal output after about 10 minutes and the ARP cache on a Linux | (1.2.8) machine would lose the hardware address of the MSK machine. ] | | >You'd need a network trace to be sure, but this suggests that kermit | >isn't responding to ARPs in its current state. | | I have traceroute and netstat (and maybe some others) on the Linux box. | It was mentioned that this could be helpful, but I do not know what I should | do or what I should look for. | | >There are at least two additional experiments that might shed light on | >the situation. | >First, while in the bad state, try to ping it from another machine that | >has never been involved with the connection at all. This should tell | >you whether kermit is willing to respond to anybody's ARP at this point. | | I did try this, and the MSK machine responded to the ping, so there was no | need to try the second test. I forgot to ask whether this is another Linux box or something else. If something else, then it would still be good to try the ping-from-clean- Linux-system test to see if such ARPs *ever* work. | I also tried to ping from the Linux box, but there was no response. | However, if I handloaded the Hardware address of the ethernet | card on the MSK machine, then I could get a ping response. In the absence of a trace (which would probably make everything completely clear at this point), I can suggest one more drastic test. Rather than adding the ARP entry at this point, reboot the Linux machine. This would (I hope) determine whether something stateful on the Linux box prevented the ARP from working. | This was when I tried to ping from the Linux machine (with no response). | |I tried another experiment. I logged in from the MSK machine, then immediately | deleted the entry from the Linux ARP cache. The output stopped, as other | times. Well, that's nice in a sense. At least you can reproduce the problem on demand without waiting for it to show up. |It was still possible to telnet to other machines, but now it was | impossible to telnet to the Linux machine, no error message or anything, just | a return to the Kermit prompt. Does it return immediately or take a while to time out? | Finally, I hand-entered the hw address for the MSK machine, and now I have | tried two or three times to let the MSK machine sit for for 30-60 minutes, | and I have not been able to reproduce the problem. It sounds like I | should just try to load the addresses for these cards, maybe even as a | cron job...but I would still like to try to understand what is going wrong. I believe that a hand-entered address is not timed out (if Linux ARP is typical). That would explain why it didn't fail thereafter. If you can point me at the version of kermit in question I can do some tests myself... Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 23:19:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: Rick Owens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:19:28 GMT Organization: Flathead Valley Community College Lines: 42 Message-Id: <4354fl$h8p@cpmt.cyberport.net> References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: [text omitted] > Ugh(tm). Arcnet with ODI has its share of problems when it comes >to ARP. An ARCnet MAC address is one byte long, yet ODI provides six byte >MAC addresses. Which end of that string will the byte appear? Undocumented. >The medium ident appearing in an ARP packet reflects the kind of wiring, >6 for Ethernet and presumably 7 for ARCnet. I did make some changes in the >MAC address extraction procedure in MSK mark II, and maybe something got >broken. FWLIW, Novell's user list shows it on the right (least significant byte). > I tested earlier MSK's with ARCnet, and honestly I found that >arrangment to be flakey at best. It's not MSK but rather whatever IP >routing a NW server does in that case. I found that connections would >cease operating after a while or be reluctant to progress. Well, we've been lucky; MSK 3.13 and early 3.14 have both been working for us, and should (hopefully) see us through 'till we can junk the ARCnet wiring and NICs. (I will be _so_ glad when we can afford to switch all that--stuff--to Ethernet. ARCnet is a royal pain in more ways than one.) > I'll see if I can resolve the situation. It's a little awkward because >I have to take apart machines and move them to construct an ARCnet environment >and then route IP to Ethernet. This may take several days because I'm eyeballs >deep in swamp creatures already and students are about to descend upon my >place en masse. > Joe D. Thanks! If there's anything I can do to give you more info, please ask. /--------------------------------------------------------\ | All opinions are personal unless stated otherwise. | |--------------------------------------------------------| | Rick Owens, Computer Op. Tech. | | Flathead Valley Community College | | "When the moment dies / the spark still flies / | | reflected in another pair of eyes!" | | --Rush, 'Chain Lightning' | \--------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 12 23:26:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02731 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 12 Sep 1995 20:07:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: Rick Owens Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Second Edition Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 23:26:38 GMT Organization: Flathead Valley Community College Lines: 25 Message-Id: <4354t2$hb9@cpmt.cyberport.net> References: <3tf3n7$2tl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <42qciv$c6k@cpmt.cyberport.net> <1995Sep9.114915.60947@cc.usu.edu> <2989@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) wrote: [text omitted] >The poster with the ARCNet problem might want to try running over ODIPKT. >It understands all these details and presents a fake Ethernet driver >interface to the client (kermit in this case). I did all the original >development with [T]RXNET so it should work with that if anything. :) So far, the early MSK 3.14 has done the trick. Thanks for the suggestion though. (And with a bit of luck, we'll make it through long enough to remove the last vestiges of ARCnet from our campus... on which day we'll probably have an ARC-NIC toss.... :) ) /--------------------------------------------------------\ | All opinions are personal unless stated otherwise. | |--------------------------------------------------------| | Rick Owens, Computer Op. Tech. | | Flathead Valley Community College | | "When the moment dies / the spark still flies / | | reflected in another pair of eyes!" | | --Rush, 'Chain Lightning' | \--------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 05:13:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:52:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:52:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!senior.nectec.or.th!mozart.inet.co.th!suttip From: suttip@mozart.inet.co.th (Suttinun Pa-khanghung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need kermit source Date: 13 Sep 1995 05:13:59 GMT Organization: Internet Thailand, Bangkok, Thailand. Lines: 2 Message-Id: <435pan$6qe@senior.nectec.or.th> Nntp-Posting-Host: mozart.inet.co.th X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find and get Ms-kermit for PC source code suttip From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 13 02:44:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:57:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 02:57:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit through telnet Date: 12 Sep 1995 21:44:47 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 15 Message-Id: <435giv$hpp@Venus.mcs.com> References: <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4319n7$ic7@buffnet2.buffnet.net>, root wrote: >ok, first off what OS... Linux > >Okay, I have a telnet program that allows me to redirect the i/o for the >session to sz rz or whatever I want... > >Is it possible for kermit to recieve redirected i/o like sz and rz WITHOUT >modifing C-Kermit?! I think so, but why bother since kermit is perfectly capable of making the telnet connection itself and you can run it with a script if you like? Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 09:02:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:36:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:36:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nntpserver.pppl.gov!newsserver.jvnc.net!forest!mrichich From: mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Netware/IP and packet driver Kermit coexistence Message-Id: <1995Sep13.140223.124158@forest> Date: 13 Sep 95 14:02:23 EST Organization: Drew U. Academic Computer Center Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, here's the issue. We have a LAN running Netware 4.1. We are currently using ODIPKT and MS-Kermit 3.13 to telnet to on-campus machines in DOS. We want to switch these machines over to Netware/IP 2.1, thus getting a Winsock to run Netscape, and then still be able to run MS-Kermit 3.13 (ideally in Windows) and still have it access tcp/ip through a packet driver. Now, the first thing to try is just run ODIPKT. No go--when Novell's TCPIP.EXE loads, it prevents ODIPKT from working, even in DOS. That's to be expected, though. Well, after some careful thought, lots of fun, and a few hundred machine reboots, I've come up with the following solution: 1) Run the packet driver for the network card (in this case, 3Com 3c509.) 2) Run PKTMUX and then 2 PKTDRVs. 3) Use PDETHER on one of the packet driver interrupts, and then load Novell's LSL, TCPIP, NWIP, and VLM (thus getting complete Netware connectivity to file servers and such.) 4) Kermit then takes the other packet-driver interrupt for it's tcp/ip connections. 5) Yes, this even works in Windows. I'm doing it right now, I've got my Kermit window covering my Netscape window, and both work simultaneously. There are delays in one app when the other is transmitting data, but again, that's to be expected. The big question is: Am I flirting with disaster? Is PDETHER not as good of a Netware solution as the native ODI driver for the card? Are there any other unforseen problems that I should know about? I'm going to hit it hard for a while to see if it crashes and burns. --Mike From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 13:36:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:31:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 13 Sep 1995 22:31:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!salliemae!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Netware/IP and packet driver Kermit coexistence Message-Id: <1995Sep13.193648.61242@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Sep 95 19:36:48 MDT References: <1995Sep13.140223.124158@forest> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep13.140223.124158@forest>, mrichich@forest.drew.edu (Mike Richichi, Systems Manager) writes: > Okay, here's the issue. We have a LAN running Netware 4.1. We are > currently using ODIPKT and MS-Kermit 3.13 to telnet to on-campus machines > in DOS. We want to switch these machines over to Netware/IP 2.1, thus > getting a Winsock to run Netscape, and then still be able to run MS-Kermit > 3.13 (ideally in Windows) and still have it access tcp/ip through a packet > driver. > > Now, the first thing to try is just run ODIPKT. No go--when Novell's > TCPIP.EXE loads, it prevents ODIPKT from working, even in DOS. That's to > be expected, though. > > Well, after some careful thought, lots of fun, and a few hundred machine > reboots, I've come up with the following solution: > > 1) Run the packet driver for the network card (in this case, 3Com 3c509.) > 2) Run PKTMUX and then 2 PKTDRVs. > 3) Use PDETHER on one of the packet driver interrupts, and then load > Novell's LSL, TCPIP, NWIP, and VLM (thus getting complete Netware > connectivity to file servers and such.) > 4) Kermit then takes the other packet-driver interrupt for it's tcp/ip > connections. > 5) Yes, this even works in Windows. I'm doing it right now, I've got my > Kermit window covering my Netscape window, and both work simultaneously. > There are delays in one app when the other is transmitting data, but > again, that's to be expected. > > > The big question is: Am I flirting with disaster? Is PDETHER not as good Yes. Not as good. > of a Netware solution as the native ODI driver for the card? Are there > any other unforseen problems that I should know about? I'm going to hit > it hard for a while to see if it crashes and burns. If your site has a licensed copy of Lan WorkPlace/DOS from Novell then component TELAPI placed on top of Novell's TCP/IP stack forms an interface that Kermit can use, even in Windows. This is an "approved" method to run the two products together; we think so and so does Novell. We basically say all risks become yours when pktmux is involved. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 15:47:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:17:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:17:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!koala.melbpc.org.au From: Graham Jenkins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 - Problem with Wyse-50 Emulation Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 15:47:22 GMT Lines: 30 Message-Id: <811093642@gkja> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: koala.melbpc.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of our Applications suppliers is using sequences as shown in the example below for marking screen-areas to stand out. Unfortunately, the "revert-to-normal" bit doesn't work quite the same under KERMITE (mid-95 3.14 release) with a Wyse50 emulation as it does on a real Wyse50. Is there perhaps a patch for this? --- #!/bin/sh # wy50test.sh Tests screen feature escape codes for Wyse-50 with # MSKermit-3.14 (mid-'95 release, kermite). # Sledgehammer reset echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-NORMAL\c" sleep 3 # Standout (Reverse character protect, write protect) echo "\0033\`6\0033)-STANDOUT\c" sleep 3 # Normal echo "\0033(-NORMAL\c" sleep 3 # Sledgehammer reset echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-END" exit 0 --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 13 17:04:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:41:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 17:41:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!upsnews.ups.com!airvax.air.ups.com!air1ggp From: air1ggp@airvax.air.ups.com (George Gary Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit <-> C-Kermit file translate Date: 13 Sep 95 21:04:03 EDT Organization: United Parcel Service Lines: 10 Message-Id: <1995Sep13.210403@airvax.air.ups.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 153.2.131.10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am attempting to use a PC --> C-Kermit --> PC upload/download to translate a file with code page 437 characters to one with a Macintosh character set. Two different C-Kermit(189) installations to which I have access include macintosh-latin as a file character set [set file char ?], but when I "set file char mac", "sho file" reports the character set as dg-international. One machine is running DEC-VMS; the other DEC-OSF/1-Unix. The idea is to translate the file on the upload to mac-speak, then download it with a transparent transfer mode. The C-Kermit manual indicates that the dg-intl character set is quite different from the macintosh set. Can anyone explain or provide a solution? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 22:04:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:04:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 18:04:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <-> C-Kermit file translate Date: 14 Sep 1995 22:04:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <43a8u4$218@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Sep13.210403@airvax.air.ups.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep13.210403@airvax.air.ups.com>, George Gary Perkins wrote: : I am attempting to use a PC --> C-Kermit --> PC upload/download to : translate a file with code page 437 characters to one with a : Macintosh character set. Two different C-Kermit(189) installations : to which I have access include macintosh-latin as a file character : set [set file char ?], but when I "set file char mac", "sho file" : reports the character set as dg-international. : Try the current version of C-Kermit, which is 5A(190). It works fine there. You can even upload the file without translation and then tell C-Kermit to "translate cp437 mac". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 15:26:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:05:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 01:05:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 - Problem with Wyse-50 Emulation Message-Id: <1995Sep14.212654.61352@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Sep 95 21:26:53 MDT References: <811093642@gkja> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <811093642@gkja>, Graham Jenkins writes: > One of our Applications suppliers is using sequences as shown in > the example below for marking screen-areas to stand out. > Unfortunately, the "revert-to-normal" bit doesn't work quite the > same under KERMITE (mid-95 3.14 release) with a Wyse50 emulation > as it does on a real Wyse50. Is there perhaps a patch for this? > > --- > #!/bin/sh > # wy50test.sh Tests screen feature escape codes for Wyse-50 with > # MSKermit-3.14 (mid-'95 release, kermite). > > # Sledgehammer reset > echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-NORMAL\c" > sleep 3 > > # Standout (Reverse character protect, write protect) > echo "\0033\`6\0033)-STANDOUT\c" > sleep 3 > > # Normal > echo "\0033(-NORMAL\c" > sleep 3 > > # Sledgehammer reset > echo "\0033(\0033\`A\0033A00-END" > exit 0 ----------- Yes, this is a genuine bug, sigh. It turns out that fixing it is something of a chore deep in the code because of the way sundry video attributes are munged (changed) by the ESC ` sequence. I'll have this fixed in the next release, as they say, because it is turning out to be too complicated to generate as a Patch file item. I have a real Wyse-50 to help decode the affair. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 17:25:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:21:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 03:21:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VOS Kermit (batched) and the INPUT command Date: 14 Sep 1995 13:25:25 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 10 Message-Id: <439oi5$hup@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a script which works quite well when run interactively with Kermit 190(5A) on VOS 11.7.2. But when it is run as a batched or start- process, it hangs. Using the -d option, it appears that it hangs on the first INPUT command it encounters -- which makes sense if it is trying to read from a nonexistent keyboard to see if the INJPUT has been interrupted. Am I doing anything wrong? marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 14 20:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 05:18:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 05:18:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!usenet From: TQT Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 24-bit CRC Date: 14 Sep 1995 20:04:57 GMT Organization: Sandia National Laboratories Lines: 4 Message-Id: <43a1ta$8pp@news.sandia.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: sasg353.sandia.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Through the PROCOM (a PC communication software) document I learn that Kermit uses 24 bit CRC for error detection/correction. Does anyone know what is the generating polynomial for this CRC-24? Any reference to a list of 24th order CRC generating polynomials will be much appreciated. msscom.asm in MS-DOS Kermit: ; The CRC is based on the SDLC polynomial: x**16 + x**12 + x**5 + 1. This is also known as CCITT-16. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 13:09:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:09:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:09:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Problems with MS-Kermit 3.14 and (c)slipper.exe? Date: 15 Sep 1995 13:09:12 GMT Organization: Council of Foreign Relations, Covert World Domination Bureau Lines: 32 Message-Id: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3629 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37064 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use Kermit 3.14 (24 May 1995 release, patchlevel 9) and slip8250.com (10 Feb 1992, the one that comes with the Kermit .ZIP distribution) quite successfully on my 386sx/16 to dial up to Columbia and run multiple terminal sessions with SLIP. However, running Kermit with either slipper.exe or cslipper.exe (15 Jan 1994, part of slippr15.zip file available everywhere--their documentation describe them as drop-in replacements for slip8250.com) is not so successful--about half my keystrokes get "bunched up" for several seconds at a time, then get all spit out to the host at once. Output to me seems unaffected. The funny thing is the trouble didn't exist with the 18 January Kermit release; I used cslipper.exe and Kermit on an old 8-MHz Tandy clone quite successfully. Upgrading to 24 May caused similar symptons on that machine (verified by returning to the older kermit.exe executable). Now same things happen on this 386sx/16. Any ideas? Here are the parameters I use to load slip8250.com: c:\kermit\networks\slip8250 0x60 -h slip 3 0x2f8 38400 And slipper.exe and cslipper.exe: c:\kermit\networks\slipper.exe com2 baud=38400 keepalive I have tried loading slipper.exe and cslipper.exe in regular memory, in upper memory, and with and without the keepalive switch, all with no effect. (Crossposted to comp.protocols.kermit.misc and comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc) -- http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 13:51:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:51:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 09:51:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 15 Sep 1995 13:51:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 97 Message-Id: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, so I will start a fresh thread. I posted a question about these problems to the Linux newgroups and after several days, I got the following reply which I send further without permission (because it was publically posted). The main gist of the message is that it is believed that Linux ARP is OK. Here it is: ------------------------ Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc From: iialan@iifeak.swan.ac.uk (Alan Cox) Subject: Re: ARP cache problem in 1.2.*?? Organization: Institute For Industrial Information Technology Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 13:29:07 GMT In article <433jha$k6m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: >I have also tried MS-Kermit Version 3.14, 24 May 1995, and that will >simply not connect to the Linux box, complaining about Arp resolution >problems. I have communicated with the Kermit people aboout the >problem and I am still trying to figure out what is going on, but >one candidate is that the Linux ARP cache is not well-behaved yet. Linux ARP is believed to work, and its a 'seen by nobody else' problem. That given the userbase normally means its a user setup problem. The one person here who persists in using kermit under DOS, his own custom mail collect read/write scripts and other strange things hasn't moaned at me, nor have other kermit + Linux users I know. >I have tried to look in the kernel changes and could see that some >work was done on Arp. Can someone comment on whether it is likely >that the problems with Kermit could be located in the Linux ARP cache? The only ARP changes made recently have been in the 1.1.x kernels to clean up code and add netmasks to proxy arp (for transparent routing) and some recent 1.3.x fixes whereby ATF_PERM entries would previously be updated by an ARP reply for that address. --------------------------------------------- Meanwhile, this mention of apparent success by another person made me wonder what will happen if I used another version of MSK. So I make the following experiment. 1. Run MSK 3.14 on a 486 machine with ODIPKT and 3C509 card. (and no energy saving features) As usual, after 10 - 15 minutes, the ARP entry disappears, the screen output disappears, though it is still possible to enter commands. 2. Powerdown machine. 3. Run MSK 3.13pl5 on the same machine. a. After 10 minutes, the entire IP number (as opposed to HW address) disappears from ARP table. b. Press CR on MSK. It works. c. Let sit 45 minutes. d. Press CR. It still works. e. Logout, manually delete IP number from ARP cache with arp -d f. Powerdown MSK machine. Login again with MSK 3.13 g. Wait 45 minutes. At this point the HW address has disappeared from the ARP cache (i.e., 00:00:00:00:00:00), even though the IP number is still there. It still works! h. Delete IP number (arp -d) while MSK 3.13 is connected. It still works. i. Login with MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) edition. j. Delete IP number from ARP cache (arp -d). It freezes! k. If I add and delete the IP number by hand a few times, I can "jumpstart" the MSK 3.14 machine back to monitor output. I am willing to suggest that there is some change between MSK 3.13 and MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) that is critical to this problem. And there is yet another change from MSK 3.14 (18 Jan 95) to MSK 3.14 (24 May 95) that creates a new problem. Well, I don't know much more now about why these problems occur than I knew yesterday, but I am starting to get a better sense of how to create them. Cheers, Seth Chaiklin From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 15:07:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:31:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 12:31:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: wsm0@Lehigh.EDU (Wayne S. Mery) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: 15 Sep 1995 11:07:27 -0400 Lines: 21 Message-Id: <43c4rf$3oe3@ns1-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> <433qtv$1g3p@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1-1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 12 Sep 1995 07:29:03 -0400 Wayne S. Mery (wsm0@Lehigh.EDU) wrote: > I get a similar error on a Thinkpad 350 under ms-windows after using > the 'suspend' feature and resuming. thereafter windows is messed up My reporting was in error. I get the problem after running kermit, shutting it down, switching to another window (in my case WordPerfect) and then trying kermit again. I can't swear that there is nothing wrong with the ms-windows setup, I'm not an expert there. W. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ** BE PREPARED TO SAVE SOMEONE'S LIFE ** /\/\/\/\/\/\/\ * People die, 8 per day on the transplant waiting list, for lack of a donor. ** Your family must know your wishes *!now!* because their agreement is required at the time donation is to take place. Questions? See the FAQ: -- ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/bit.listserv.transplant/ Wayne S. Mery Systems Programmer, Lehigh University 610-758-3983 wsm0@lehigh.edu http://www.lehigh.edu/~wsm0 610-974-6434(fax) VSE/ESA 1.2, VM/HPO 5 http://www.lehigh.edu/lists/vse-l/ (VSE mailing list) From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 05:30:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:02:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 15 Sep 1995 22:02:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!paperboy.osf.org!bone.think.com!blanket.mitre.org!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: Problems with MS-Kermit 3.14 and (c)slipper.exe? Message-Id: <1995Sep15.113038.61385@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Sep 95 11:30:37 MDT References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3632 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37069 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > I use Kermit 3.14 (24 May 1995 release, patchlevel 9) and slip8250.com > (10 Feb 1992, the one that comes with the Kermit .ZIP distribution) > quite successfully on my 386sx/16 to dial up to Columbia and run > multiple terminal sessions with SLIP. However, running Kermit with > either slipper.exe or cslipper.exe (15 Jan 1994, part of slippr15.zip > file available everywhere--their documentation describe them as > drop-in replacements for slip8250.com) is not so successful--about > half my keystrokes get "bunched up" for several seconds at a time, > then get all spit out to the host at once. Output to me seems > unaffected. This looks rather like lost packets, going in either direction. The 24 May edition of MSK has slight changes in the transmit section where Nagle's algorithm is involved (suspend further transmission until an outstanding one has been ACK'd, that kind of thing). > The funny thing is the trouble didn't exist with the 18 January Kermit > release; I used cslipper.exe and Kermit on an old 8-MHz Tandy clone > quite successfully. Upgrading to 24 May caused similar symptons on > that machine (verified by returning to the older kermit.exe > executable). Now same things happen on this 386sx/16. Any ideas? The older MSK was more aggressive about sending, the newer one is closer to industry standard practice on the Nagle matter. Differences will arise when outgoing data or their ACKs are lost. The newer one is preferable overall. > Here are the parameters I use to load slip8250.com: > > c:\kermit\networks\slip8250 0x60 -h slip 3 0x2f8 38400 > > And slipper.exe and cslipper.exe: > > c:\kermit\networks\slipper.exe com2 baud=38400 keepalive > > I have tried loading slipper.exe and cslipper.exe in regular memory, > in upper memory, and with and without the keepalive switch, all with > no effect. I have to guess that maybe flow control to the modems is not all that it ought to be, or the modem is buffering material and sitting on it. Doing VJ header compression yields shorter packets and hence the modem buffer fills more slowly. Using slipper.exe here on a straight copper wire across the hall way has performed ok. There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some time ago. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 15:47:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:39:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 00:39:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Key map for VMS PF keys Message-Id: <1995Sep15.214739.61446@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Sep 95 21:47:39 MDT References: <43cu1s$4tl@hydra.cc.umb.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43cu1s$4tl@hydra.cc.umb.edu>, 5067RZHAN@gemini.cc.umb.edu (Zhang,ray Y.) writes: > Can someone tell me what's the keyboard mapping for VMS PF keys, you > know Gold key, etc. ------------ They aren't operating system keys but rather than are VTxxx terminal keys. They are discussed fully in the user's manual for your Kermit and in the release supplementary documentation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 08:17:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:30:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:30:18 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!seunet!mn4.swip.net!lorelei!hoh From: hoh@lorelei.approve.se (Goran Larsson) Subject: Problems with c-kermit-5A.190 Message-Id: <1995Sep16.081720.22831@lorelei.approve.se> Organization: Home of the Hacker of Hackefors Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:17:20 GMT Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As someone who handles my communication needs over modems using UUCP, I very seldom uses kermit. I have had c-kermit-5A-188 installed for dialup users and to get new firmware from USRobotics BBS (WILDCAT!) in France. C-kermit-5A-188 is old and as many people has recommended (in this group) that everyone upgrade to c-kermit-5A-190 I did so a while ago. The last night I tried to get the latest USRobotics firmware but the received file was corrupt and I had to fall back to c-kermit-5A-188. $ ls -l SDL* -rw-r--r-- 1 hoh 253974 Sep 16 01:42 SDLPALLA.EXE-188 -rw-r--r-- 1 hoh 381140 Sep 16 00:56 SDLPALLA.EXE-190 $ hd SDLPALLA.EXE-188 | head -5 00000000 4d5a6400 04000000 02000010 fffff0ff MZd............. 00000010 00010000 0001f0ff 1c000000 00000000 ................ 00000020 eb792000 4c484127 73205346 5820322e .y .LHA's SFX 2. 00000030 31335320 28632920 596f7368 692c2031 13S (c) Yoshi, 1 00000040 3939310d 0a005265 6e616d65 20746f20 991...Rename to $ hd SDLPALLA.EXE-190 | head -5 00000000 4d5a6400 04000000 02000010 597f597f MZd.........Y.Y. 00000010 5970597f 00010000 00015970 597f1c00 YpY.......YpY... 00000020 00000000 0000596b 7920004c 48412773 ......Yky .LHA's 00000030 20534658 20322e31 33532028 63292019 SFX 2.13S (c) . 00000040 6f736869 2c203139 39310d0a 0052656e oshi, 1991...Ren $ Note that the SDLPALLA.EXE-190 file contains some spurious Y characters. About one third of the characters in SDLPALLA.EXE-190 are Y! This looks to me as a quoting problem. Is this some incompatibility between the "kermit" in WILDCAT! and c-kermit-5A-190, or a problem in c-kermit-5A-190? -- Goran Larsson Phone: +46 13 299588 FAX: +46 13 299022 Approve AB +46 589 12810 +46 589 16901 hoh@approve.se I was an atheist, until I found out I was God. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 15 05:33:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:08:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 08:08:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Sep 95 11:33:20 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have > had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. > > I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, > so I will start a fresh thread. I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the behavior. It's a substitution test. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 14:24:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:24:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 10:24:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with c-kermit-5A.190 Date: 16 Sep 1995 14:24:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <43emn4$sld@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Sep16.081720.22831@lorelei.approve.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep16.081720.22831@lorelei.approve.se>, Goran Larsson wrote: >As someone who handles my communication needs over modems using UUCP, >I very seldom uses kermit. I have had c-kermit-5A-188 installed for >dialup users and to get new firmware from USRobotics BBS (WILDCAT!) >in France. C-kermit-5A-188 is old and as many people has recommended >(in this group) that everyone upgrade to c-kermit-5A-190 I did so a >while ago. The last night I tried to get the latest USRobotics firmware >but the received file was corrupt and I had to fall back to c-kermit-5A-188. > ... >Note that the SDLPALLA.EXE-190 file contains some spurious Y characters. >About one third of the characters in SDLPALLA.EXE-190 are Y! This looks >to me as a quoting problem. Is this some incompatibility between the >"kermit" in WILDCAT! and c-kermit-5A-190, or a problem in c-kermit-5A-190? > The problem is with the Wildcat BBS, in its execution of the Kermit protocol negotiation phase. Here are the solutions to the problem in descending order of desirability: 1. Mustang Software should license a top-notch and correctly-functioning implementation of Kermit protocol from Columbia University. Since you are their customer, you might suggest this to them. 2. The proprietors of any Wildcat BBS's can install MS-DOS Kermit Lite on their own BBS's, bypassing the Wildcat Kermit implementation. See Kermit News #6 for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html 3. Work around the Wildcat bug by telling C-Kermit (or MS-DOS Kermit or any other Kermit program you might be using) to "set parity space" prior to transferring any files. Of course, with your parity set to space (or anything other than none) you can't see those attractive BBS screens during terminal emulation, you should "set parity space" just before transfer and "set parity none" right after transfer, before going back to the BBS screen. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 16:58:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:58:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:58:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: New version of slip8250? Date: 16 Sep 1995 16:58:07 GMT Organization: Council of Foreign Relations, Covert World Domination Bureau Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep15.113038.61385@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3638 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37076 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik says: | There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper |tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more |sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts |and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some |time ago. Interesting--thanks for your possible diagnoses. Is the slip8250 you rewrote the one that's dated 10 February 1992, or is there a newer one? -- http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 07:44:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:22:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:22:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: New version of slip8250? Message-Id: <1995Sep16.134421.61471@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Sep 95 13:44:21 MDT References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3639 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37078 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, ylee@manila.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) writes: > Joe Doupnik says: > | There is one more remote possibility, and that is maybe (c)slipper > |tries to be cute and use TX empty interrupts from the UART to trigger more > |sending. That can easily lead to loss of received-char-available interrupts > |and hence lost incoming packets. That's the reason I rewrote slip8250 some > |time ago. > > Interesting--thanks for your possible diagnoses. > > Is the slip8250 you rewrote the one that's dated 10 February 1992, or > is there a newer one? ----------------- The current version is dated 11-22-93 and it is in the Crynwr Collection of Packet Drivers, available widely. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 23:19:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:40:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 19:40:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!axe!ll1 From: Larry Levine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 16:19:02 -0700 Organization: Information Resources and Technology Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: axe.humboldt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > In article , Larry Levine writes: > > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a > > previously unseen problem... > > > > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit > > will show the message, > > > > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over > the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, > a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? > There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution > docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to > your machine. > Joe D. Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck. As for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper. Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. Larry. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 06:34:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:30:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 16 Sep 1995 23:30:49 -0400 Message-Id: <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi> Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!anon.penet.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: an369375@anon.penet.fi X-Anonymously-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Anonymous forwarding service Reply-To: an369375@anon.penet.fi Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 06:34:42 UTC Subject: How to hook up via PPP Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector). I would like to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how over a serial port. I have used packet drivers for ethernet cards, but don't know which driver may work serially. I am using MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help. Any advice? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To find out more about the anon service, send mail to help@anon.penet.fi. If you reply to this message, your message WILL be *automatically* anonymized and you are allocated an anon id. Read the help file to prevent this. Please report any problems, inappropriate use etc. to admin@anon.penet.fi. From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 17 14:14:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 10:14:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 10:14:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to hook up via PPP Date: 17 Sep 1995 14:14:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <43hafd$3gv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi>, wrote: : My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP : connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector). I would like : to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how : over a serial port. I have used packet drivers for ethernet : cards, but don't know which driver may work serially. I am using : MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help. Any advice? : Note that the current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14. PPP is, in most cases, problematic -- maybe somebody else who has gotten this to work can pipe up. But you can certainly use Kermit over SLIP using the SLIP8250 driver that comes on the Kermit diskette, and following the instructions in NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC, section "Making SLIP Connections". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 00:19:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:19:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:19:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 18 Sep 1995 00:19:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: >> This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have >> had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. >> >> I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, >> so I will start a fresh thread. > > I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is >try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the >behavior. It's a substitution test. If I understood correctly, I attempted this test. I connected between MSK and a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, let it sit for two hours and there were no problems. So what do you conclude? Cheers, Seth From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 17 23:01:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:39:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 17 Sep 1995 20:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: alan@clark.net (Alan McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mac-Kermit: FONTS Date: 17 Sep 1995 19:01:44 -0400 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-Id: <43i9co$b3a@clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As a dedicated Linuxian, I am a big C-Kermit fan. I'm getting my mother - fairly new to computers - a Mac, and of course I downloaded and installed the Mac version of Kermit. Works great, except: even though fonts come with the package it really only likes the 9pt font, which is hard for me and will be _very_ hard for my mother. Can someone reveal the trick to me whereby the Terminal Window(not so worried about the Command Window) can have good-size(12-14pt) fonts which look OK? I should mention that the Mac is a performa, and I installed the fonts in what I am assured is the acceptable way: dragging the icon over the System Folder and then answering Yes to the question: should these be installed in Fonts? Many thanks in advance for any help! Best wishes, Alan McConnell -- Alan McConnell For some strange reason, the United States, although Pixel Analysis inhabited by mostly rich people, is a very poor country. (alan@clark.net) ===> Unless it can be abused, it's not freedom. <=== From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 08:12:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:10:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 05:10:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!Gopher!schroedj From: schroedj@pcub30.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE (Juergen Schroeder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to hook up via PPP Date: 18 Sep 1995 08:12:08 GMT Organization: Library of the Philipps University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <43j9ko$g17@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE> References: <064310Z16091995@anon.penet.fi> Reply-To: js@psub13.UB.Uni-Marburg.DE Nntp-Posting-Host: pcub30.ub.uni-marburg.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu an369375@anon.penet.fi wrote: : My Internet service provider has just started offering PPP : connectivity (but not Usenet, hence the reflector). I would like : to use Kermit TCP/IP features, but have been unable to grasp how : over a serial port. I have used packet drivers for ethernet : cards, but don't know which driver may work serially. I am using : MS-DOS but not Windows, so Winsock would not help. Any advice? Try to get etherppp. It emulates a packetdriver interface and has a builtin dialer. Works good with e.g. NCSA-Telnet. It needs 120 KB RAM so don't know if it run with kermit. Juergen From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 09:06:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05076 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!pacifier!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows 95 version Date: 18 Sep 1995 18:36:23 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 24 Message-Id: <43jcqf$rst@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <42pncv$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : If the Windows 95 version is commercial, : : I would have very serious doubts about how : : well it could compete with the dozens of other : : Windows' communication programs already available. : : : Let's hope it holds its own. Otherwise, we're : outa here. Simple as that. Developing and supporting : Kermit software on the scale that its present usage : demands is a full-time job for a certain number of : people. If K95 (sounding like the Australian Defence force exercise Kanagaroo '95) can handle network protocols and INT 14H redirectors under Windows '95 it's doing better than a large number of its competitors. (Now if only I could persuade the folks at esoft.com to fund a built-in TIPX client for MS-Kermit/K95...) -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 09:03:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 07:38:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!at From: at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with OS/2 C-Kermit REXX interface Date: 18 Sep 1995 09:03:58 GMT Organization: University of Stuttgart, IER Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-Id: <43jclu$2bao@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A edit 191 for several months on the German version of OS/2 Warp with WinOS without problems until I tried to use the xsend macro. C-Kermit was stopped with SYS1808 and the return code of one of the programs (was it C-Kermit or REXX ?) was reported to be 0005. To isolate the problem, I edited a minimal REXX command file test.cmd. rexx call test.cmd works fine as long as test.cmd contains REXX commands like say "hello" but it results in the above error if test.cmd contains quoted Kermit commands like 'set parity none'. I can't believe that I am the first to try the xsend macro under cko191 and OS/2 Warp, but I didn't find a description of this problem in the FAQ. Thanks for any hints, Alfred -- .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Alfred Trukenmueller Universitaet Stuttgart | | IER | From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 12:26:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:26:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 08:26:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac-Kermit: FONTS Date: 18 Sep 1995 12:26:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <43joi5$65r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43i9co$b3a@clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43i9co$b3a@clark.net>, Alan McConnell wrote: >As a dedicated Linuxian, I am a big C-Kermit fan. I'm getting my >mother - fairly new to computers - a Mac, and of course I downloaded >and installed the Mac version of Kermit. Works great, except: even though >fonts come with the package it really only likes the 9pt font, which >is hard for me and will be _very_ hard for my mother. Can someone >reveal the trick to me whereby the Terminal Window(not so worried >about the Command Window) can have good-size(12-14pt) fonts which >look OK? > As you might infer from reading the ckmker.bwr file, Mac Kermit has been disinherited for quite some time, for lack of volunteer programmers and funding for professional ones. The font question is discussed at length in the ckmker.bwr and accompanying ckmker.fon file. The gist is that this aspect of Mac Kermit (among many others) needs a complete overhaul. We even have a new font created expressly for Mac Kermit, but the program was never coded to use it. The short answer to your question is that the only sizes for the built-in font that are usable are 9 and 18. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 16 12:03:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:19:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 13:19:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Try to run OS/2 CKERMIT in text mode? Message-Id: <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Sat, 16 Sep 1995 12:03:06 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run? Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 18:20:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:20:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 14:20:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Try to run OS/2 CKERMIT in text mode? Date: 18 Sep 1995 18:20:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <43kd9m$lgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >Hi, > >I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs >only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps >components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run? > >Thanks, > >Helen > No. C-Kermit is linked to the REXX and PM subsystems even though it is a Vio application. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 22:23:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:03:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:03:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!epicycle.lm.com!gentzel From: gentzel@epicycle.lm.com (David Gentzel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Try to run OS/2 CKERMIT in text mode? Date: 18 Sep 1995 18:23:52 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 15 Sender: gentzel@telerama.lm.com Message-Id: References: <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu> <43kd9m$lgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: epicycle.lm.com In-Reply-To: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 18 Sep 1995 18:20:38 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43kd9m$lgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <1995Sep16.120306.12768@mercury.ncat.edu>, > wrote: >>I'm trying to get ckermit to work on a minimal os2 system. The system runs >>only a text mode session in full screen. I have removed all the pm and wps >>components. It won't run. Anyway to get it to run? > >No. C-Kermit is linked to the REXX and PM subsystems even though it is >a Vio application. Any chance a future version will load these DLL's dynamically rather than statically? -- Dave Gentzel gentzel@telerama.lm.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 20:22:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 20:22:34 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 10 Message-Id: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Reply-To: Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: troy.ucs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log file. I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it in a fle. Apologies if this is a FAQ. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 23:51:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:51:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 18 Sep 1995 22:51:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.gmi.edu!msunews!news From: Brian Hoort Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: How to get rid of all the horiz. lines? Date: 18 Sep 1995 23:51:57 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <43l0mt$18de@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: via-annex3-7.cl.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; Linux 1.2.1 i486) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc#43j9ko$g17@surz03.HRZ.Uni-Marburg.DE Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using Kermit on an old IBM PC I had in my closet for a dumb terminal for Linux. Everything works great, except for some esthetics. 1. Instead of a blank, black screen, I get underscores across each row. It's very annoying and makes some work difficult. 2. Their is a status line at the bottom of the screen which decreases my screen size by one line and makes Emacs tutorial, among other things, fail. How do I rid myself of these two thorns? Aside from these, Kermit is great and I would like to commend the authors. Thankyou. Brian Hoort Michigan State University hoortbri@pilot.msu.edu Just remember kids- All is moral in the name of god, and Linux is religion with complete autonomy. From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 18 08:06:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 05:55:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 05:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!col.hp.com!simtel!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Sep18.140620.61546@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Sep 95 14:06:20 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Larry Levine writes: > On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> In article , Larry Levine writes: >> > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a >> > previously unseen problem... >> > >> > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit >> > will show the message, >> > >> > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > >> I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over >> the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, >> a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? >> There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution >> docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to >> your machine. >> Joe D. > > Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck. As > for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though > I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. > > FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper. > > Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the > error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. > > Larry. --------- Oh. The WP task swapper. Well, all bets are off if you use that item since it's not quite what we would call a multitasker in this day and age. I don't know if it touches serial ports either. I can say that some machines initialize their serial ports at power on self test (POST) time better than others, and that internal modems are often in an unstable state until beaten upon by software. Maybe you can try again with a bare machine (boot from floppy to make life simpler), and without the WP task swapper. If the serial port is recognized those ways then the finger swings to WP. Please keep in mind that some TSRs consume lots of cpu time with interrupts turned off, DOS' PRINT being near the head of that list, and they can interfere with validating serial port hardware. So can using a 3C509 Ethernet board for a lan adapter. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 12:58:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:58:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:58:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: 19 Sep 1995 08:58:49 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <43meq9$fmm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Ken Crossman wrote: : : I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture : a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log : file. : : I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it : in a fle. : : Apologies if this is a FAQ. : From the KERMIT.BWR file on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette: You can use Kermit's controller-print feature to turn a session log into a plain text file. The session log contains escape sequences that can be stripped as follows: 1. Edit the session log file to insert ESC [ ? 5 i at the beginning (start controller print). 2. Start Kermit and give it these commands: SET PORT BIOS1 ; Or some other port you will not actually be using. SET PRINTER FILE.TXT ; Send transparent print material to this file. REPLAY SESSION.LOG ; Run session log through terminal emulator. (Thanks to H.D. Knoble for this hint.) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 09:34:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:02:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:02:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!nntp.hut.fi!vipunen.hut.fi!rak From: rak@vipunen.hut.fi (Risto A Karola) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PUSHing to DOS with MSK 3.14 Date: 19 Sep 95 09:34:39 GMT Organization: Helsinki University of Technology Lines: 15 Distribution: inet Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: vipunen.hut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have succesfully used kermit with home desktop PC, but now I have a problem with Toshiba T2110CS & Angia Fax/Modem 14.4 Kbps: When (in the middle of a session) I exit from terminal emulator to kermit (Alt-X) and give PUSH command to go to DOS shell, the speaker begins to output the line 'noise' and when I EXIT back to kermit, the connection is cut off. Any ideas why this is happening? Fixes? I couldn't find anything to fix this. Thanks, RAK From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 16:26:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:11:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:11:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!pendragon.jsc.nasa.gov!ames!olivea!fusaro!usenet From: lauro@argo.ico.olivetti.com (Marco Lauro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS Date: 19 Sep 1995 16:26:23 GMT Organization: Olivetti Ricerca Lines: 5 Message-Id: <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com> Nntp-Posting-Host: skipper.ico.olivetti.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excuse me for my poor english. I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial port uses the kermit protocol. Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ???? Thank in advance.............. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 17:30:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:31:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 13:30:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS Date: 19 Sep 1995 17:30:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <43muof$19b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com>, Marco Lauro wrote: >Excuse me for my poor english. >I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial >port uses the kermit protocol. >Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ???? > Just run communications software on your PC that uses the Kermit protocol, such as MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Then you can transfer files with the HP calculator: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. Unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 13:53:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:35:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 14:35:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!at From: at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with OS/2 C-Kermit REXX interface Date: 19 Sep 1995 13:53:02 GMT Organization: University of Stuttgart, IER Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <43mhvu$1mko@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> References: <43jclu$2bao@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43jclu$2bao@info4.rus.uni-stuttgart.de>, at@ierws3.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Alfred Trukenmueller) writes: |> |> I have been using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A edit 191 for several months on |> the German version of OS/2 Warp with WinOS without problems until |> I tried to use the xsend macro. C-Kermit was stopped with SYS1808 |> and the return code of one of the programs (was it C-Kermit or REXX ?) |> was reported to be 0005. |> |> To isolate the problem, I edited a minimal REXX command file test.cmd. |> rexx call test.cmd |> works fine as long as test.cmd contains REXX commands like |> say "hello" |> but it results in the above error if test.cmd contains quoted Kermit |> commands like |> 'set parity none'. This problem is obsolete with the current version of OS/2 C-Kermit!! Jeffrey Altman of Columbia University suggested to use the latest version, and indeed everything works perfectly. (The problem is restricted to an older version of ck0191, with ckoker32.exe dated 04-05-95.) -- .-------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Alfred Trukenmueller Universitaet Stuttgart | | IER | From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 20:13:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 18:12:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 18:12:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!in1.uu.net!morgan.com!usenet From: Raj Venkataraman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit: invoking script Date: 19 Sep 1995 20:13:31 GMT Organization: Morgan Stanley Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43n89b$c5k@sanews1.morgan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bkis171.morgan.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way of automatically kicking off a script at the end of a file transfer? More specifically, I have kermit running in server mode on my Sun workstation. I have a user's PC connected to the serial port on my Sun w/s. I would like to automatically kick off a script as soon as the file transfer is done. The script takes the filename as the first (and only) argument. Any pointers/tips much appreciated. Raj -- Raj Venkataraman venkar@morgan.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 18:12:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:14:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 20:14:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hayes.tak for DIAL command Date: 19 Sep 1995 18:12:12 GMT Organization: Vancouver Regional FreeNet Lines: 5 Message-Id: <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a Hayes compatible modem? The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0. Thanks, David Stow rently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems >in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or >not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there >(current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). > Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? > Joe D. Just wondering if a related problem is MSK314's hanging when telneting to a VMS system using CMU/IP. I no longer have CMU running, but I remember it as an unsolved issue. It usually happened after about 30 seconds of inactivity. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 12:56:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 21:55:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 19 Sep 1995 21:55:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: How to get rid of all the horiz. lines? Message-Id: <1995Sep19.185651.61665@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Sep 95 18:56:51 MDT References: <43l0mt$18de@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43l0mt$18de@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Brian Hoort writes: > I have been using Kermit on an old IBM PC I had in my closet for a dumb > terminal for Linux. Everything works great, except for some esthetics. > 1. Instead of a blank, black screen, I get underscores across each row. > It's very annoying and makes some work difficult. > 2. Their is a status line at the bottom of the screen which decreases my > screen size by one line and makes Emacs tutorial, among other things, > fail. > > How do I rid myself of these two thorns? Aside from these, Kermit is great and > I would like to commend the authors. Thankyou. -------------- You have a monochrome board in the machine yet Linux thinks it is a color unit. Color code dim blue on black means underlining to mono display adapters. Kermit examines the display adapter to determine its capabilities, but Linux simulates that to Kermit and thus MSK can't come close to the real hardware. You are using a VTxxx emulation, not a PC emulation. VTxxx terminals have 24 lines, not a PC display. Tell your machine the correct screen size (say 80x24) and the display should be fine. Thanks for the complement and we hope you enjoy Kermits. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 23:15:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news5.ner.bbnplanet.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 19 Sep 95 23:15:36 GMT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems | in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or | not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there | (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). | Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? Ah, well, that certainly explains it (assuming the version that sends 0.0.0.0 is the one we were talking about). Glancing at the Linux code I see that it will drop any replies that aren't addressed (meaning that target ip is one of its addresses) to it. This action appears to be intentional. Of course, this doesn't explain why the fixed kermit fails in a worse way... Perhaps some other field is getting trashed? The Linux code seems to be quite picky and checks all the length and type fields. If anything is wrong, the ARP packet gets dropped. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 11:41:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 04:20:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.delphi.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Message-Id: <1995Sep19.174120.61657@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Sep 95 17:41:20 MDT References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) writes: > I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture > a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log > file. > > I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it > in a fle. > > Apologies if this is a FAQ. ----------- SET PRINTER Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" on the status line. That's a clean copy of just the TEXT appearing on each line, after the cursor moves off by several standard ways. ALT-Printscreen is a toggle, so press again to turn it off. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 19 03:29:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:29:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 05:29:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Sep 95 09:29:01 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > In article <1995Sep15.113320.61386@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: >>> This message is a continuation of my inquest into why I have >>> had problems with MSK 3.14 and Linux connections. >>> >>> I have made some progress, I believe in delimiting the problem, >>> so I will start a fresh thread. >> > >> I think the logic is still muddled here. A simple suggestion is >>try a connection between MSK and a non-Linux machine, and observe the >>behavior. It's a substitution test. > > If I understood correctly, I attempted this test. I connected > between MSK and a SunOS 4.1.3 machine, let it sit for two hours and > there were no problems. > > So what do you conclude? ------------ So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 13:05:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:05:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 09:05:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hayes.tak for DIAL command Date: 20 Sep 1995 13:05:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <43p3i2$t4l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: >What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a >Hayes compatible modem? The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0. > The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 and it comes with dialing scripts for many modems. Just install it according to instructions, tell it to "set modem hayes" (or other), and DIAL: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York NY 10025-7721 USA Voice: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Email: kermit@columbia.edu Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada, Toll-free M-F 8AM-6PM Eastern time) +1 617 928 2613 (Newton, MA office for sales/marketing info) +44 1933 414000 (Rushden, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +44 1865 310366 (Oxford, England, customer service/sales dept) +61 (0)3 245 7370 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Philippines, Thailand) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 15:23:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:03:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 15:03:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!not-for-mail From: chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Sothamith Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Request Kermit dialup script examples Date: 20 Sep 1995 10:23:53 -0500 Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <43pbm9$f56@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: maroon.tc.umn.edu Keywords: kermit, script Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would kindly appreciate it if anyone having a couple of already written scripts that use kermit to dial up a remote connection, log on to a session without user assistance, and subsequently retrieve a number of files either using the kermit specification or an external protocol such as rz could please either email them to me at chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu as mime or text attachments -- or post them here if others would have interest in seeing them. I have the unix version of Kermit. Thanks ahead of time. I need some information in kinda of a hurry, otherwise I would be willing to wait for the books from Columba to arrive. Thanks alot Sothamith -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Boyer chau0004@maroon.tc.umn.edu 612-772-2966 H ------------- Mike_Boyer@notes.pw.com 612-830-4831 W Technology . . . the knack of so arranging the world that we dont have to experiance it. -Max Frisch From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 12:44:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01529 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:31:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09394 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 20 Sep 1995 22:31:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 20 Sep 1995 12:44:33 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 19 Message-Id: <43p2bh$9tb@krel.iea.com> References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43idul$j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: [snip] : So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems : in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or : not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there : (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). : Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? : Joe D. Caveat: I don't have networking on my system at home. The systems with networking I have experiences with are 1.0.9 on a network with an IBM RS/6000 Model 320(?). We couldn't get a network connection (ping, telnet, ftp) between the IBM and the Linux machines unless someone was logged on to the Linux machine. Strange but maybe applicable. Rod From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 01:30:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:14:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 00:14:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: REQUEST: KERMIT SPECS Message-Id: <1995Sep20.073026.61684@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 07:30:26 MDT References: <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43mqvf$gj7@fusaro.ICO.Olivetti.Com>, lauro@argo.ico.olivetti.com (Marco Lauro) writes: > Excuse me for my poor english. > I must connect an HP portable programmable calculator to PC. The HP serial port uses the kermit protocol. > Can anyone send me a copy of the kermit specifications ???? ----------- First, if Kermit is built into the HP calculator then you can run MS-DOS Kermit on the PC and move files back and forth naturally. HP48 calculators, in particular, work well this way. On the other hand, if the calculator lacks a Kermit program, and it has the ability to be programmed enough to make a primative Kermit, then a good place to start is purchasing a copy of the rule book: "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, also available from Columbia University. In addition to presenting the Kermit protocol specifications the book has a BASIC program implementing a very simplified version of the Kermit protocol. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 20:30:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!not-for-mail From: espiritu@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Ed Espiritu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?warning: unknown hardware for port Date: 20 Sep 1995 13:30:18 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310-527-4279,818-756-0180,909-785-9712,714-638-4133,805-294-9338) Lines: 58 Message-Id: <43ptkq$qlg@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> References: <1995Sep11.204212.61093@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaiwan009.kaiwan.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Larry Levine wrote: > > >On 11 Sep 1995, Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> In article , Larry Levine writes: >> > I recently switched from MS-Kermit 2.32 to 3.14, which resulted in a >> > previously unseen problem... >> > >> > Occasionally, immediately after my modem reports a connect, Ms-Kermit >> > will show the message, >> > >> > ?warning: unknown hardware for port. Using Bios as BIOS2. > >> I dunno. The most suspicious culprit is a hardware conflict over >> the port. Do you have anything else attacking that port? A mouse driver, >> a MODE blah,P, hardware stepping on the IRQ wire or i/o port numbers? >> There is quite a bit of discussion of serial ports in the distribution >> docs so I suggest reading the material and see if any points apply to >> your machine. >> Joe D. > >Much thanks, Joe. I re-read the material per your suggestion...no luck. As >for the conflicts you mentioned, I couldn't find anything obvious, though >I suspect I lack the resources/knowledge to do a thorough check. > >FYI, I run MSKermit under the WordPerfect Shell 4.0 task swapper. > >Anyway, I added a "set port 2" to the script just after the place where the >error message appears... and this seems to solve the problem completely. > > Larry. Clone 486DX2-66 Windows 3.1 PC Tools for Windows shell my login script reads set port 2 echo set port 2 set port 2 echo set port 2 set port 2 echo set port 2 Occasionally the first one generates the error, one in thirty uses. The second one never generates the error. The third one is there in case it does. Sessions with and without the error message are indistinguishable. -- Ed Espiritu --- -- --Ed Espiritu== From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 11:01:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 17:01:40 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM>, ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) writes: > In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > | So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems > | in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or > | not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there > | (current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). > | Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? > > Ah, well, that certainly explains it (assuming the version that sends > 0.0.0.0 is the one we were talking about). Glancing at the Linux code > I see that it will drop any replies that aren't addressed (meaning that > target ip is one of its addresses) to it. This action appears to be > intentional. Of course, this doesn't explain why the fixed kermit fails > in a worse way... Perhaps some other field is getting trashed? The Linux > code seems to be quite picky and checks all the length and type fields. If > anything is wrong, the ARP packet gets dropped. --------- It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 16:55:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18872 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 05:49:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cfa.org!news.cfa.org!not-for-mail From: alk@swifty.cfa.org (Tony Kimball) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: New version of slip8250? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Date: 20 Sep 1995 11:55:20 -0500 Organization: Comunicating for America Network Services, MN USA Lines: 1 Message-Id: <43ph1o$eno@swifty.cfa.org> References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep16.134421.61471@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: swifty.cfa.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3674 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37118 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know whether there is a 16550-aware cslip driver extant? and when I EXIT back to kermit, the > connection is cut off. > > Any ideas why this is happening? Fixes? I couldn't find anything to fix this. ----------- Good grief. No, there is no obvious "fix" since the problem is not directly a Kermit difficulty. When Kermit shells to DOS it detaches from the serial port, and perhaps your Toshiba and/or the internal modem is doing a power-save operation that yields the strange behavior. Some internal modems are known to have bizarre side effects when their serial port is programmed, and there is nothing much more that we can do to avoid such situations (they depend on the precise model and so on). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 12:24:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:24:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 08:24:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie questions Date: 21 Sep 1995 12:24:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 181 Message-Id: <43rlif$90e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43pe7u$q4g@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43pe7u$q4g@ftcnews.nrcs.usda.gov>, Ute R. Willmore wrote: >I have just started using Kermit and really know very little about it. > The best way to learn is from the manuals, listed at the end of this message. >There >are some things I need to do from a UNIX machine, but I don't know how. So, >here are my questions. I would appreciate any help and/or the faq location. > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt >I know how to initiate a file transfer using Kermit for Unix, but I need to >suppress the progress screen Kermit puts up. Any idea how to do that? > Depending on which Kermit program you are talking about, it would be SET FILE DISPLAY NONE or SET DISPLAY QUIET. >Also, how do I initiate a dos command from the UNIX side via Kermit? > Read about APC in the .UPD file that comes with the current version of MS-DOS Kermit (3.14) or C-Kermit (5A(190)). >I have a c program running under UNIX 4.2 and need to get a listing of >the files in a specified directory on a DOS machine (which is connected >via a serial line to the UNIX system). That listing of files needs then >to be transfered to the UNIX machine. > Here's one way: MS-Kermit> set term apc unchecked MS-Kermit> connect C-Kermit> def xx apc dir *.* > x.tmp, apc server, get x.tmp, fin C-Kermit> xx - Frank KERMIT BOOK LIST ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. 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Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 (End) From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 14:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!epicycle.lm.com!not-for-mail From: hdelien@telerama.lm.com (knight) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for IBM AS400 Date: 20 Sep 1995 10:58:23 -0400 Organization: Telerama Public Access Internet, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 10 Message-Id: <43pa6f$gh3@epicycle.lm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: epicycle.lm.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for kermit for an IBM AS400 running (of course) OS400. Please reply via E-mail and let me know if there is a version available. I checked columbia university and didn't see it, I may have missed it though. Thanks, in advance. -- / / / | "Peace! Live it or rest in it" /__ __/ __ / . __ ,_ | hdelien is Knight Watchman / / / / /_/ / / /_/ / / | hdelien@telerama.lm.com / / /_/ /_ / / /_ / / | http://www.lm.com/~hdelien From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 04:21:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:00:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Message-Id: <1995Sep21.102146.61788@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Sep 95 10:21:46 MDT References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > > : SET PRINTER > : Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" > > Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen? Works for me ;-) > > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. ---------- Indeed, you are correct Clarence. I'll have to have a word with the guy (me) who wrote the response above and the code. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 14:43:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:20:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 13:20:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!pagesat.net!sloth.swcp.com!helios From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit: invoking script Date: 20 Sep 1995 14:43:27 GMT Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <43p9af$1b9@sloth.swcp.com> References: <43n89b$c5k@sanews1.morgan.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: kitsune.swcp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Raj Venkataraman (venkar@morgan) wrote: : Is there a way of automatically kicking off a script at the end of a file : transfer? More specifically, I have kermit running in server mode on my Sun : workstation. I have a user's PC connected to the serial port on my Sun w/s. I : would like to automatically kick off a script as soon as the file transfer is : done. The script takes the filename as the first (and only) argument. The gurus may understand your question as it stands, but I am a bit lost. Which version(s) of Kermit are you using? Which machine is receiving the file? Which machine do you want to run the script? Is there already a script directing the file transfer? If so, can it simply continue to do what you want next? -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 15:34:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:20:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:19:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PUSHing to DOS with MSK 3.14 Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:34:08 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43pc9g$g7s@bug.rahul.net> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Risto A Karola (rak@vipunen.hut.fi) wrote: : I have succesfully used kermit with home desktop PC, but now I have a : problem with Toshiba T2110CS & Angia Fax/Modem 14.4 Kbps: Disable power-saving options for the modem. When you "push" to DOS, Kermit gives up the modem. When the modem is not in use, a power save option on a laptop might choose to turn off the modem. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 15:35:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:25:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 14:25:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: 20 Sep 1995 15:35:42 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 11 Message-Id: <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net> References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1995Sep19.174120.61657@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : SET PRINTER : Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen? Works for me ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 12:52:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00874 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:41:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:41:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Message-Id: <1995Sep21.085225.1603@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 21 Sep 95 08:52:25 -0400 References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca>, crossman@dc-next.ucs.ualberta.ca (Ken Crossman) writes: > > I would like to run Mskermit in VTXXX terminal emulation mode, capture > a session, then somehow remove the VTXXX control characters in the log > file. > > I realize I can REPLAY the log file to see the session but I need it > in a fle. > > Apologies if this is a FAQ. > it sorta is, but it's not obvious... SET PRINTER FILENAME, where you say the filename, no, type it... rather than log session, use: CONTROL-PRINTSCREEN to start logging via the vt100 autoprint, thus autoprinting into the file, only completed lines are logged, thus stripping the ansi sequences.. thanks to Joe D for his help to me on this.. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 15:51:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:24:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09162 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 18:24:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news.sandia.gov!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!sloth.swcp.com!helios From: helios@swcp.com (Thomas David Nichols) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Session log file with out VT100 control characters?? Date: 21 Sep 1995 15:51:14 GMT Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems Lines: 22 Message-Id: <43s1li$6l9@sloth.swcp.com> References: <43kh0d$hcu@rover.ucs.ualberta.ca> <1995Sep19.174120.61657@cc.usu.edu> <43pcce$g83@bug.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: kitsune.swcp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : : SET PRINTER : : Then while in Connect mode press ALT-PrintScreen. See "PRN" : Should this be CTRL-PrintScreen? Works for me ;-) I, too, found CTRL-PrintScreen works better. The other method, editing a "start printer" sequence into the session log and replaying the log file, works better if you put a "stop printer" sequence (change 5 to 4 in the code) at the end. Otherwise, MSKermit complains that the printer is not ready. Unfortunately, neither method works with the gopher server I tried it on, because it erases the screen before writing each page, and nothing scrolls off the screen into the printer file. I had to resort to screen dumps and heavy editing :-( -- Thomas David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems, 1-505-298-4657 Quality Auditing, Quality Manuals, Statistics, ISO-9000 Consulting From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 00:15:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:15:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:15:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc Subject: Re: New version of slip8250? Date: 22 Sep 1995 00:15:14 GMT Organization: Council of Foreign Relations, Covert World Domination Bureau Lines: 7 Message-Id: <43sv6i$dor@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43btto$g66@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <43evn0$62n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Sep16.134421.61471@cc.usu.edu> <43ph1o$eno@swifty.cfa.org> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3684 comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:37128 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tony Kimball says: |Does anyone know whether there is a 16550-aware cslip driver extant? The aforementioned cslipper.exe, part of the slippr15.zip found on all the big archive sites, is 16550 aware as of v1.1. -- http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 00:28:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:28:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 20:28:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for IBM AS400 Date: 22 Sep 1995 00:28:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <43svvj$ebl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43pa6f$gh3@epicycle.lm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43pa6f$gh3@epicycle.lm.com>, knight wrote: : I am looking for kermit for an IBM AS400 running (of course) OS400. : Please reply via E-mail and let me know if there is a version available. : I checked columbia university and didn't see it, I may have missed it : though. : I contend that the AS/400 is unprogrammable. If it were not, surely someone would have written a Kermit program for it by now. Does anybody care to prove me wrong? :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 19:43:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:07:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:07:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!simtel!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.stanford.edu!fahn From: fahn@nntp.stanford.edu (Paul Fahn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cannot set speed Date: 21 Sep 1995 19:43:09 GMT Organization: Stanford University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <43sf8d$eu3@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Reply-To: fahn@arcata.stanford.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: arcata.stanford.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In C-Kermit, when I try "set speed 19200" (or any other value), I get an error message "you must SET LINE first". I still get this message *after* I "set line /dev/tty" (and I've checked that LINE is properly set). Any ideas? Thanks, Paul From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 07:31:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:09:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:09:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!psinntp!psinntp!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Message-Id: <1995Sep20.133131.61723@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 13:31:31 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) writes: > In article <1995Sep19.092901.61603@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >> So far I would conclude that your version of Linux has problems >>in its TCP/IP stack. And that the problems are sensitive to whether or >>not an ARP reply has the IP address of the requestor or 0.0.0.0 there >>(current MSK has the IP address, previous v3.14 did not by mistake). >> Anyone else have some ideas? Dan? >> Joe D. > > Just wondering if a related problem is MSK314's hanging when telneting to a > VMS system using CMU/IP. I no longer have CMU running, but I remember it as > an unsolved issue. It usually happened after about 30 seconds of inactivity. > > JamesS --------- I don't think we will know unless someone has CMU's TCP/IP running and a TCP/IP packet capture facility handy. MSK does not hang here, which includes VMS with TGV's Multinet on my MicroVax and on Alphas (not mine, sigh), Unix boxes of various kinds (none Linux), and so on. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 20 07:28:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15544 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:13:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 21 Sep 1995 21:13:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hayes.tak for DIAL command Message-Id: <1995Sep20.132829.61722@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Sep 95 13:28:29 MDT References: <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43n15s$frj@milo.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca>, dastow@opus.freenet.vancouver.bc.ca (David Stow) writes: > What should be in the hayes.tak file to make the DIAL command work with a > Hayes compatible modem? The Kermit version I have is mskermit 3.0. > Thanks, > David Stow -------------- The easiest solution is to "upgrade to the current release", which is v3.14. Lots of dialing scripting has been done for you there. Please see a nearby message from Frank da Cruz on ftp-ing to kermit.columbia.edu for the quick start kit binary file msvibm.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 12:44:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:44:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 08:44:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: cannot set speed Date: 22 Sep 1995 12:44:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <43ub3i$l4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43sf8d$eu3@nntp.Stanford.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <43sf8d$eu3@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, Paul Fahn wrote: >In C-Kermit, when I try "set speed 19200" (or any other value), I >get an error message "you must SET LINE first". I still get this >message *after* I "set line /dev/tty" (and I've checked that LINE >is properly set). Any ideas? > As explained in the manual, you can only change the speed of an external (e.g. dialout) line. You can't change the speed of your job's controlling terminal. If you really want to do the latter, issue the appropriate system command (stty, SET TERMINAL, etc) prior to starting Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 21 16:42:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 14:25:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Assorted Problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 16:42:15 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We've been having some problems with OS/2 C-Kermit when a file transfer goes bad or a COM port gets hung. If a file transfer fails (because the line goes down or some other irregularity), it seems impossible to hang up the line without physically disconnecting the phone line. The "hangup" command doesn't cut it. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, shouldn't I be able to tell C-Kermit just to make the modem go on-hook? As for the hung COM port problem, it makes it impossible to close C-Kermit. Not only does C-Kermit lock up so that I can't type "exit," but it won't even close when I double-click the icon box, or even when I try to kill it with a utility like Watchcat. The only way out of this problem seems to be to reboot. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Andy -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 22 19:53:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:53:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 22 Sep 1995 15:53:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Assorted Problems with C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Date: 22 Sep 1995 19:53:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <43v47n$c67@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >We've been having some problems with OS/2 C-Kermit when a file >transfer goes bad or a COM port gets hung. > >If a file transfer fails (because the line goes down or some other >irregularity), it seems impossible to hang up the line without >physically disconnecting the phone line. The "hangup" command doesn't >cut it. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, shouldn't I >be able to tell C-Kermit just to make the modem go on-hook? This is not a Kermit problem but a modem configuration issue. Configure your modem to drop hangup when DTR drops. >As for the hung COM port problem, it makes it impossible to close >C-Kermit. Not only does C-Kermit lock up so that I can't type "exit," >but it won't even close when I double-click the icon box, or even when >I try to kill it with a utility like Watchcat. The only way out of >this problem seems to be to reboot. If an OS/2 program hangs because it has failed in a device driver call, i.e. the device driver never returns, OS/2 will not terminate the program because doing so would destabalize the rest of the system. The problem is in your Device Driver. If you are using the one that shipped with your version of OS/2 and have not applied service packs, do so. If you are using an alternate driver, contact the author and make sure you are using the latest version. Most driver hangs on ISA machines are caused by interrupt conflicts. Make sure that your Serial port IRQs are not also being used by Sound Boards, network cards, scsi cards, etc. >What am I doing wrong? > >Thanks, >Andy >-- >Andrew J. Korty >Systems Programmer >Physics Computer Network >Purdue University Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 23 06:53:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:26:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 23 Sep 1995 08:26:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!newsie.wis.com!glasrud From: Politics@usa.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Proposed State & Federal Regulations for the INTERNET! Date: 23 Sep 1995 06:53:37 GMT Organization: Wisconsin Internet Services Lines: 23 Message-Id: <440ath$657@newsie.wis.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: squeaky.free.org Originator: Politics@usa.com Originator: glasrud@squeaky.free.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My name is Scott Glasrud, and I am running for the New Mexico State Senate during the 1996 elections. One of the reasons I have chosen to run is to combat the proposed state and federal regulations of the Internet. As you know, the Internet was never designed to be regulated! It was designed to allow communications in the event of anuclear war or a major catastrophe. I OPPOSE REGULATION, and if elected will fight to preserve your constitutional rights. HOWEVER, I NEED YOUR HELP! I am asking each person who reeives this message to send $5.00 to the Scott Glasrud Campaign Committee. If we pull together, we CAN protect our first amendment rights! HELP ME show the politicians the POWER behind this important NETWORK. Please send contributions to: The Scott Glasrud Campaign Committee 11024 Montgomery Blvd. NE, Suite 179 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87111 Thank you! From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 24 11:13:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:43:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 24 Sep 1995 11:43:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!ferret.ocunix.on.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 24 Sep 1995 11:13:54 GMT From: Politics@usa.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <440ath$657@newsie.wis.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <440ath$657@newsie.wis.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-By: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu EMP/ECP (aka SPAM) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca. See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19950924.01 for further details From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 10:21:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:08:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 06:21:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!merhaba.cc.columbia.edu!chaiklin From: chaiklin@columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problem Date: 25 Sep 1995 10:21:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <445vr8$7u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: merhaba.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A >quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part. I am willing to attempt this packet trace, but I do not know what software to use, and whether it is easily accessbile (e.g., via anon ftp) Seth From news@columbia.edu Sun Sep 24 17:39:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 07:09:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 06:06:22 -0400 Control: cancel <440ath57@newsie.wis.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.uh.edu!uuneo.neosoft.com!bonkers.taronga.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: Politics@usa.com Subject: cmsg cancel <440ath57@newsie.wis.com> Approved: Politics@usa.com Followup-To: poster Reply-To: cancelbot@taronga.com Sender: Politics@usa.com Organization: Taronga Park BBS X-Cancelled-By: cancelbot@taronga.com Message-Id: Date: Sun, 24 Sep 1995 17:39:27 GMT Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by cancelbot@taronga.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 13:57:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:11:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 13:11:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.netins.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!decuac.dec.com!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news From: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using kermit 191 in server mode under OS/2 Date: 25 Sep 1995 13:57:13 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-Id: <446cfp$t1k@news.jhu.edu> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I log in from home over a SLIP line directly to my office where I also have SLIP running. I have ckermit-191 under Warp on both machines. In the documentation it says that I can use kermit instead of a program like Laplink but I can't seem to get the two to communicate. When I type "server" I get a message like "trying 0.0.0.0" (I can't swear to the syntax and address) and then ntohing further. What can I do? Thanks, Jayant Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 18:13:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:13:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:13:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using kermit 191 in server mode under OS/2 Date: 25 Sep 1995 18:13:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <446rgj$av4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <446cfp$t1k@news.jhu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <446cfp$t1k@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: >I log in from home over a SLIP line directly to my office where I >also have SLIP running. I have ckermit-191 under Warp on both machines. >In the documentation it says that I can use kermit instead of a program like >Laplink but I can't seem to get the two to communicate. When I type "server" >I get a message like "trying 0.0.0.0" (I can't swear to the syntax and address) >and then ntohing further. What can I do? The documentation says: place one of the kermits in incoming mode: SET NETWORK TCP SET HOST *: Then you can issue the SERVER command --- On the other Kermit, SET NETWORK TCP SET HOST : Then you can issue Kermit Server commands. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 04:31:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:52:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13255 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 25 Sep 1995 14:52:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress on MSK 3.14 and Linux 1.2.8 problemnext Message-Id: <1995Sep25.103124.61988@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 95 10:31:24 MDT References: <43c0ds$hvk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <2994@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> <445vr8$7u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <445vr8$7u0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, chaiklin@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu (Seth Chaiklin) writes: > In article <1995Sep20.170141.61741@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> It doesn't explain it at this time since the data are missing. A >>quick packet trace would be a good start on the data part. > > I am willing to attempt this packet trace, but I do not know what software > to use, and whether it is easily accessbile (e.g., via anon ftp) -------------- A quick free tool is to use the Cyrnwr Collection of Packet Drivers programs TRACE and DUMP. TRACE is a TSR with a 50+KB packet buffer and sits on top of a Packet Driver. Run as TRACE 0x60 50000 (or equiv), run Kermit, exit Kermit, say EXIT to DOS to terminate TRACE. 50KB of buffer does not last long at all. The binary output file is trace.out. DUMP reads that file and sends the ASCII rendition to stdout, so redirect it to a file. These programs are widely available, such as on kermit.columbia.edu and netlab2.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 01:17:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:23:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:23:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!storm!lakeheadu.ca!Lakehead.user From: Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation Message-Id: <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca> Date: 26 Sep 1995 01:17:24 GMT Sender: news@storm.LakeheadU.Ca Organization: Lakehead University Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.2N (Windows; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem has already been addressed. I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II, and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc. When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from the older version into the newer one. It works okay. However, while running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of control characters and stuff. Also, when I try to go from the bottom of the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there. I know that this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort of help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, Patrick Cholin Programmer/Analyst Lakehead University e-mail occpat@rowdi.lakeheadu.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 17:22:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:06:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:06:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation Message-Id: <1995Sep25.232219.62039@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 95 23:22:19 MDT References: <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca>, Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca writes: > Greetings, > > I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem > has already been addressed. I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II, > and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc. > When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not > exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from > the older version into the newer one. It works okay. However, while > running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of > control characters and stuff. Also, when I try to go from the bottom of > the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the > template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there. I know that > this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort > of help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, --------------- How are you getting into your faithful MicroVAX? Serial connection or Telnet or DECnet? Is the terminal type being set correctly by VMS, such as doing a SET TERM/INQ in your login.com file? More likely than not you have a 7/8 bit display problem or someone has manipulated the basic terminal driver (VMS) settings. Here is what my MicroVAX shows for MSK v3.14 setup as VT100: $ sh term Terminal: _NTY1: Device_Type: VT100 Owner: JRD Remote Port Info: jrd.usu.edu Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24 Terminal Characteristics: Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escape Hostsync TTsync Lowercase Tab Wrap Scope Remote No Eightbit Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup No Modem No Local_echo Autobaud Hangup No Brdcstmbx No DMA No Altypeahd No Set_speed Line Editing Insert editing No Fallback No Dialup No Secure server Disconnect No Pasthru No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer Port Numeric Keypad ANSI_CRT No Regis No Block_mode No Advanced_video No Edit_mode DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2 No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 $ Notice that VMS properly understands that a VT100 is a 7-bit device ("No Eightbit") and to echo for us ("Echo"). and it's a DEC_CRT old device (a 100 level and below). This is an Ethernet connection (Telnet). The above is a good starting point for you to decode your environment. To do more we would need to know more about your situation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 05:46:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:04:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20053 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 06:04:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!cpmt.cyberport.net!usenet From: christmn@cyberport.net (Richard Christman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: sending AT commands with Kermit...? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 05:46:41 GMT Organization: Cyberport Montana. Lines: 27 Message-Id: <44843c$rua@cpmt.cyberport.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: cpmt2.cyberport.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi all, some time back i ask about how one would send AT commands to a modem using kermit. i received the instructions: set line /dev/tty set carrier off connect then type AT commands to my hearts content :) you know what, i get an immediate disconnect after connect... C-Kermit>set line /dev/ttyA14 C-Kermit>set carrier off C-Kermit>connect Connecting to /dev/ttyA14, speed 19200. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Communications disconnect (Back at cpmt2.cyberport.net) C-Kermit> what am i doing wrong? tia richard From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 18:33:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:50:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 15:50:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit 3.xx using VMS, vt100 emulation Date: 26 Sep 1995 18:33:08 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 38 Message-Id: <449h14$aaa@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca> <1995Sep25.232219.62039@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Sep25.232219.62039@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <22237@storm.LakeheadU.Ca>, Lakehead.user@lakeheadu.ca writes: >> Greetings, >> >> I'm a newbie to the group, so please bear with me if this problem >> has already been addressed. I use Kermit to log onto our MicroVAX II, >> and run a software package on VMS that does Payroll, General Ledger, etc. >> When we upgraded the Kermit on my machine (from 2.xx to 3.xx, I'm not >> exactly sure of the version numbers), I tried to mimic the commands from >> the older version into the newer one. It works okay. However, while >> running the software on VMS, it seems that I'm getting "echoes" of >> control characters and stuff. Also, when I try to go from the bottom of >> the screen back up, the screen becomes distorted with overprinting of the >> template (entry screen) on top of what is currently there. I know that >> this is not a lot of information, but if someone could give me any sort >> of help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks for your time, >--------------- > How are you getting into your faithful MicroVAX? Serial connection >or Telnet or DECnet? Is the terminal type being set correctly by VMS, such >as doing a SET TERM/INQ in your login.com file? > More likely than not you have a 7/8 bit display problem or someone >has manipulated the basic terminal driver (VMS) settings. Good suggestion; but I'd also check the flow control if a serial connection is being used. In particular, if you didn't carry over your old flow control settings into the new MSCUSTOM.INI when you upgraded then you lost whatever flow control settings you had made there. If you're directly connectedd to a multiplexer inside the uVax, you almost certainly want to be sure that XON/XOFF is chosen in MS-Kermit. On a terminal server, check what sort of flow control the server is expecting (a SHOW PORT works on many Xyplex-like servers) and be sure that MS-Kermit matches that. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 18:20:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:40:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 17:40:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!gaylord From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Function keys w/ ANSI emulation and MSK Date: 26 Sep 1995 18:20:32 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 27 Message-Id: <449g9g$jbf@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Nntp-Posting-User: gaylord X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is the continuing saga of the problem reported yesterday with "ANSI" graphics not displaying correctly. I think this approach may solve the problem better. Using the ANSI terminal emulation allows me to see my screens on my Xenix box ok. But now I cannot for the life of me get the F-keys to work. It seems, for example, that ^[V (Esc-V, it would seem) is what F10 should be (is this right? I've only used VT100's, where it's Esc-0). Scan code for F10 is \324, so I tried set key \324 \{27}V and various other versions to get my Foxbase app on my Xenix box to admit that this was F10. No way; had to kill my Foxbase app from console (F10 is Exit in this application!) I tried the \K-verbs that looked at all likely or plausible (PF10, decF10, etc ... I don't have MSK in front of me right now, so bear with me). Is there a "standard" keymapping problem with F keys? This app also uses F5, F6, ..., F10 and none of these work. Thanks! Clark -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 18:30:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:49:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 26 Sep 1995 22:49:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!vtaix.cc.vt.edu!gaylord From: gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ANSI graphics not displaying right Date: 25 Sep 1995 18:30:21 GMT Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 36 Message-Id: <446sft$3rb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: vtaix.cc.vt.edu Nntp-Posting-User: gaylord X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ Article crossposted from comp.unix.xenix.sco ] [ Author was Clark Gaylord ] [ Posted on 25 Sep 1995 18:25:47 GMT ] I have a PC running kermit connected via a terminal card to a Xenix box (2.3.4). The Xenix box's principal function in life is to run a large foxbase application. I cannot get the ansi screens to display right and the function keys to work right at the same time. The function keys seem to work best when kermit is emulating a Wyse50; I get the screen *almost* right (cursor positioning is still flaky) with Ansi. But if I choose Wyse50, then the Ansi graphics characters do not display correctly. The wierd thing is that the graphics are fine, e.g., in the vsh screen, under Wyse50, yet when I go into the foxbase application it doesn't display right (I figure it's probably stripping the high bit). I've tried various combinations of 7-bit vs 8-bit, code pages, character sets, etc. Any tips would be appreciated. P.S. The Link terminal on another port works fine; I believe it is doing Wyse emulation. -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ -- Clark K. Gaylord Blacksburg, Virginia USA cgaylord@vt.edu http://gaylord.async.vt.edu/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 25 10:54:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:27:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 10:27:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!pipeline!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANSI graphics not displaying right Message-Id: <1995Sep25.165417.62010@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Sep 95 16:54:17 MDT References: <446sft$3rb@solaris.cc.vt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <446sft$3rb@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, gaylord@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Clark Gaylord) writes: > [ Article crossposted from comp.unix.xenix.sco ] > [ Author was Clark Gaylord ] > [ Posted on 25 Sep 1995 18:25:47 GMT ] > > I have a PC running kermit connected via a terminal card to a Xenix > box (2.3.4). The Xenix box's principal function in life is to run a > large foxbase application. I cannot get the ansi screens to display > right and the function keys to work right at the same time. > > The function keys seem to work best when kermit is emulating a Wyse50; > I get the screen *almost* right (cursor positioning is still flaky) > with Ansi. But if I choose Wyse50, then the Ansi graphics characters > do not display correctly. The wierd thing is that the graphics are > fine, e.g., in the vsh screen, under Wyse50, yet when I go into the > foxbase application it doesn't display right (I figure it's probably > stripping the high bit). I've tried various combinations of 7-bit vs > 8-bit, code pages, character sets, etc. > > Any tips would be appreciated. > > P.S. The Link terminal on another port works fine; I believe it is > doing Wyse emulation. ------------ Well, I guess the obvious thing to say is the Xenix system is using one kind of terminal emulation and Kermit is using another. It's best to remember that Wyse terminals, taken as a group, tend to emulate many previous terminals of times gone bye so the termcap entries tend to be rather loose and varied. MSK emulates a native Wyse50 rather than the many older variety. The other comment is "ANSI" graphics is almost a non-operative word describing character sets. MSK matches up the native Wyse50 with the inherent PC display adapter as best that it can so there will be some differences. Something more specific than "ANSI" graphics might help pin down the problem, as would a SESSION.LOG file (uuencoded for mailing, thanks) for replaying here with your advice on what's wrong. Finally, you may want to have a word with the Xenix machine and discover what it thinks it is doing. I don't have any Xenix facility to test with, so we are reliant upon yours to dope out the situation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 04:51:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:29:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 27 Sep 1995 15:29:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: clau@clark.net (David Clausen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Date: 27 Sep 1995 04:51:04 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950726BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! I am looking to perform automated file transfers between a UNIX host and an MS-DOS host using Kermit and a null-modem connection. What I would like to do is have the Unix host act as the client, sending files to the MS-DOS host unattended via cron. My question is, can MS-DOS Kermit be set up as a remote server, sitting in the background and waiting for file transfer requests from the UNIX host? I know that C-Kermit has this functionality, but am not sure about MS-DOS Kermit. Thanks so much! Dave Clausen clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 13:13:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29857 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:59:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 01:59:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Message-Id: <1995Sep27.191359.62187@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 95 19:13:59 MDT References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net>, clau@clark.net (David Clausen) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is > : discussed in the documentation. > : When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an > : oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests, > : and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item. > : Joe D. > > Joe, thanks for your response! > > When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an > MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11. > > Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or > UUPC. UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session, > which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK > will running as a DOS session. However, from what I've read, it would > seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a > direct null-modem cable). That's pretty much speculation, and I would recommend you put matters to the test. Don't forget that you can tune cpu allocation for a DOS box. Just as a matter of technical interest, MSK does not sit and poll the serial port hardware for things to do, and it releases cpu time slices when it's not busy. That makes MSK gentle on Windows, NT, OS/2, DESQview. MSK continues to run happily when its Windows icon is the only part showing. I'll skip listing features of interest in Kermit which are not in most other comms programs. Joe D. > If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit, > I would love to hear them. > > Dave Clausen > clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 14:43:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:43:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:43:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digex.net!cablew.com!VMAZIN.ENG.CWC.COM From: vlad.mazin@cwi.cablew.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source code for CKO191.ZIP Date: Thu, 28 Sep 95 10:40:46 Organization: Cable and Wireless Lines: 5 Message-Id: <44ec7d$o65@doberman.cablew.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: 146.135.128.110 X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where to get the source code for the latest OS/2 version of C-Kermit? CKO191.ZIP does not include the source. TIA, Vlad From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 26 15:47:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:42:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 16:42:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!simtel!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Escape-Code Problem Date: 26 Sep 1995 15:47:17 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 24 Message-Id: <4497a5$6sv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, we use a software remotely via Kermit & TCP-IP. This software recognizes the Escape-key (and character) and associates the function "one level back" to it. On the other hand the terminal emulation (Kermit VT220) uses escape sequences for cursors keys (e.g. [B for cursord-down). Now this software (yes, it does support a VT220) has to distinguish between a single escape and an escape that is part of an escape sequence. Obviously this is done via the delay between the bytes. And if the line is a bit slow you don't have the cursor keys anymore :-( Thus, is there a way to tell Kermit that it will send escape sequences in a single packet or something the like? I agree, this is not a problem of Kermit but of the remote software (no way to disable the escape key or remap it). But perhaps Kermit can offer a way to get around this problem? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 19:36:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:26:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:26:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!psgrain!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!news.inetnebr.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: feeney.chad@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Send" command problems Date: 28 Sep 1995 19:36:16 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 26 Message-Id: <44etfg$89@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet1.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Send" command problems with a file transfer b/w a PC and a UNIX server... Q: What I'm currenty experiencing with the "Send" command is that it will not transfer a file to a capitialized UNIX subdirectory from a PC? The send process works with non-capitialized directories thou. I have experimented with the "Get" command from the capitalized UNIX subdirectory to a PC and this process works correcty. Any thoughts would be welcomed! Examples: (1) send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc --> This process fails... (2) send c:\chad\chad.doc /test/level1/chad.doc --> This process works!! (3) get /Test/level1/chad.doc c:\chad\chad.doc --> This process works!! Side Notes: What I also found is that Kermit will not read capital UNIX subdirectories and will try to recreate a that directory with the specified name given... Example: send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc --> This will try to create a directory on the UNIX system starting with /test/level1/chad.doc From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 02:13:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Escape-Code Problem Message-Id: <1995Sep27.081350.62112@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 95 08:13:50 MDT References: <4497a5$6sv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4497a5$6sv@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > we use a software remotely via Kermit & TCP-IP. This software recognizes > the Escape-key (and character) and associates the function "one level back" > to it. On the other hand the terminal emulation (Kermit VT220) uses escape > sequences for cursors keys (e.g. [B for cursord-down). Now this software > (yes, it does support a VT220) has to distinguish between a single escape > and an escape that is part of an escape sequence. Obviously this is done via > the delay between the bytes. And if the line is a bit slow you don't have > the cursor keys anymore :-( Thus, is there a way to tell Kermit that it will > send escape sequences in a single packet or something the like? I agree, this > is not a problem of Kermit but of the remote software (no way to disable the > escape key or remap it). But perhaps Kermit can offer a way to get around > this problem? ---------- Kermit for which operating system and machine?? MS-DOS Kermit does group bytes corresponding to single key presses. Please do note that TCP/IP Telnet full duplex connections have no concept of records and unit delivery; it's a data stream. IP packets hold as much as the protocol stack wants to send at that time and the time between packets is not tied to the data. The Emacs-like ESC versus escape sequence timing gimmick fails on long distance links because timing is not tightly controlled. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 02:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10585 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:49:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Message-Id: <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Sep 95 08:17:52 MDT References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net>, clau@clark.net (David Clausen) writes: > Hello! I am looking to perform automated file transfers between a > UNIX host and an MS-DOS host using Kermit and a null-modem connection. > > What I would like to do is have the Unix host act as the client, > sending files to the MS-DOS host unattended via cron. > > My question is, can MS-DOS Kermit be set up as a remote server, > sitting in the background and waiting for file transfer requests > from the UNIX host? MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is discussed in the documentation. When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests, and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item. Joe D. > I know that C-Kermit has this functionality, but am not sure about > MS-DOS Kermit. > > Thanks so much! > Dave Clausen > clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 23:01:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:55:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10840 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 02:54:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!bhuber From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) Subject: IBM ThinkPad & PCMCIA card & Kermit Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 23:01:49 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: bhuber@netcom3.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Have recently had to step into the laptop user community using the above mentioned hardware. Windows based software seems to work okay with the PCMCIA card, but DOS based Kermit is a no go. Any ideas? The IBM is a 755CD, the PCMCIA card is a 28.8K fax/modem by Megahertz. Symptoms is system lockup. -- -------------------- Bud Huber <72130.1217@compuserve.com> or . PGP 2.7.1 public key available on request. From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 29 15:38:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:38:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 11:38:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Send" command problems Date: 29 Sep 1995 15:38:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <44h3u3$87u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <44etfg$89@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44etfg$89@legba.synergy.net>, wrote: : "Send" command problems with a file transfer b/w a PC and a UNIX : server... : : Q: What I'm currenty experiencing with the "Send" command is that it will : not transfer a file to a capitialized UNIX subdirectory from a PC? The : send process works with non-capitialized directories thou. I have : experimented with the "Get" command from the capitalized UNIX : subdirectory to a PC and this process works correcty. Any thoughts would : be welcomed! : : Examples: : : (1) send c:\chad\chad.doc /Test/level1/chad.doc --> This process fails... : Tell C-Kermit to "set file names literal" and "set receive pathnames on". (make sure you have C-Kermit 5A(190) or later) : (2) send c:\chad\chad.doc /test/level1/chad.doc --> This process works!! : : (3) get /Test/level1/chad.doc c:\chad\chad.doc --> This process works!! : Good. : Side Notes: : : What I also found is that Kermit will not read capital UNIX : subdirectories and will try to recreate a that directory with the : specified name given... : set filenames literal. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 19:01:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:07:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 14:07:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: clau@clark.net (David Clausen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Date: 27 Sep 1995 19:01:58 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 25 Message-Id: <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net> References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950726BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : MS-DOS Kermit has had server mode for a very long time. It is : discussed in the documentation. : When you mix words "background" and "MS-DOS" then we have an : oxymoron. Perhaps you mean the MSK server patiently waits for requests, : and if so the answer is yes it does. But MSK is not a TSR item. : Joe D. Joe, thanks for your response! When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11. Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or UUPC. UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session, which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK will running as a DOS session. However, from what I've read, it would seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a direct null-modem cable). If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit, I would love to hear them. Dave Clausen clau@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 27 12:45:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:50:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:50:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!post.demon.co.uk From: "Kevin J. G. Pugh" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Blast Date: Wed, 27 Sep 1995 12:45:17 GMT Organization: Helikon Computers Limited Lines: 22 Message-Id: <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Gwyn@helikon.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: post.demon.co.uk X-Broken-Date: Wednesday, Sep 27, 1995 12.45.17 X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST? It supports sliding windows, large packet size and goes like the name suggests. I am trying to get hold of a copy. A secondary question, is there a public domain kermit version out there which goes p.d.q ?? Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ. _________________________________ Nevik Tel/Fax: ++1926-435550 For the love of Humanity ... _________________________________ From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 19:17:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:57:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 21:57:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!news.inetnebr.com!legba.synergy.net!usenet From: feeney.chad@mhs-pfg1.attmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Send" command Date: 28 Sep 1995 19:17:45 GMT Organization: Synergy Communication Inc. Lines: 1 Message-Id: <44escp$89@legba.synergy.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inet1.principal.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 14:10:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:10:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 10:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Blast Date: 30 Sep 1995 14:10:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <44jj44$ah4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk>, Kevin J. G. Pugh wrote: : Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST? : It supports sliding windows, large packet size and goes like the name : suggests. : It's a commercial product with a proprietary protocol. : A secondary question, is there a public domain kermit : version out there which goes p.d.q ?? : Most Kermit software is NOT in the public domain. It's protected by copyright against (for example) people ftp'ing it from Columbia and then selling it. : Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ. : The speed of Kermit transfers is indeed addressed in our FAQ. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - General information about Kermit http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - FAQ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 29 07:37:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:10:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 15:10:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.novell,bit.listserv.novell,uhawaii.network Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!tinman.dev.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!ames!news.hawaii.edu!uhunix4.its.Hawaii.Edu!mtom From: Michael Tom Subject: Telnet TermType using LWP5 TSU? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: uhunix4.its.hawaii.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 07:37:51 GMT Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:3717 comp.sys.novell:92881 bit.listserv.novell:87200 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client over Novell LAN WorkPlace 5, how does one set the Telnet terminal type? My batch file essentially contains the following commands: telapi -sn1 -st1 tsu -o 128.171.44.54 k1 tsu -a k1 1 kermit set port bios1, connect I figure that I need to insert the command "tsu -f VT100", but what's the correct keyword for ? I've guessed at TERM, TERMTYPE, TERM-TYPE, TERMINAL, and TT with no luck. Our workaround is to set the terminal type after logging in to the UNIX host by issuing a "setenv TERM" command. Since this is running in a lab setting, though, it will save a lot of grief to just fix the TSU/Kermit startup commands rather than having hundreds of users adopt the setenv workaround. And it should be easy -- everything works fine if I run TSU in interactive mode to open and configure the Telnet session before running Kermit; I just need to know the equivalent batch-mode TSU commands. Thanks for any help! Michael Tom Academic Computing Coordinator Windward Community College From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 20:07:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:39:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 16:39:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will MS-DOS Kermit act as server? Date: 30 Sep 1995 15:07:16 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 41 Message-Id: <44k81k$4dn@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <44al7o$q8l@clarknet.clark.net> <1995Sep27.081752.62113@cc.usu.edu> <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44c736$6on@clarknet.clark.net>, David Clausen wrote: >When I said "background", I meant that Kermit would be running as an >MS-DOS session under WINDOWS 3.11. > >Now, I need to make a decision between implementing MS-DOS Kermit, or >UUPC. UUPC's server (uucico) runs as a dedicated Windows session, >which probably means it won't bog the system down as much as MSK >will running as a DOS session. However, from what I've read, it would >seem that Kermit may be more reliable (although my connection is a >direct null-modem cable). > >If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions regarding UUPC vs. Kermit, >I would love to hear them. It will work to use either but if you care about performance you should consider an ethernet connection if the machines are in the same building. You can run the 'samba' file server on the unix host and Windows-for-Workgroups as a client and simply have the PC create the files transparently on the host's drive in the first place, or share the WFW drive and copy from the unix host with smbclient which is sort of like ftp. Or use any of the usual tcp/ip tools to move files. If you really have to use a serial connection you could still use one of the slip/ppp winsock interfaces like trumpet and use the tcp/ip tools. You can't use WFW/samba over trumpet, but you could do it with Win95 and its slip/ppp connection. The advantage of going this route is that you can switch to a network connection with no change except speed. And with either the slip or network link you get access to all the other machines on the network, not just the one at the end of the serial line, and you can use it from the other windows sessions as well. I think you can run the Windows version of UUPC over tcp/ip on the winsock link (along with other things). Unfortunately you can't do that with kermit so if you start that way you'll have to change to go with a networked Windows 3.11 system. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 00:56:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:08:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:08:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: adldata@ix.netcom.com (David Pollack ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Blast Date: 1 Oct 1995 00:56:38 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 35 Message-Id: <44kp06$2au@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> References: <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk> <44jj44$ah4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-wp3-15.ix.netcom.com X-Netcom-Date: Sat Sep 30 5:56:38 PM PDT 1995 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <44jj44$ah4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >In article <122535485wnr@helikon.demon.co.uk>, >Kevin J. G. Pugh wrote: >: Has anyone out there come across a comms program called BLAST? >: It supports sliding windows, large packet size and goes like the name >: suggests. >: >It's a commercial product with a proprietary protocol. > >: A secondary question, is there a public domain kermit >: version out there which goes p.d.q ?? >: >Most Kermit software is NOT in the public domain. It's protected by >copyright against (for example) people ftp'ing it from Columbia and then >selling it. > >: Thanks for your help for what no doubt is a FAQ. >: >The speed of Kermit transfers is indeed addressed in our FAQ. > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - General information about Kermit > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html - FAQ > >- Frank We tried Blast a long while back, It has versions for VAX/VMS, Xenix, SCO, interactive, System V and a DOS version. The box says its from US Robotics (communications research div.). It does lot of things but costs more than real kermit. -Sol From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 30 22:09:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:35:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 30 Sep 1995 21:35:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Have rz v1.21 and sz v1.31 - Where can I find newer ones? Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 22:09:53 GMT Message-Id: References: <44i5fg$1k4@ralph.vnet.net> Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44i5fg$1k4@ralph.vnet.net>, Milton Baucom wrote: >I'm using version 1.21 of rz and 1.31 of sz with Kermit 190. Where >can I find later versions that will still work with Kermit? > >Thanks The most recent rz/sz that can work with Kermit are available in the ZMODEM Developer's Collection. Check www.omen.com for more info. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM www.omen.com Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 11:51:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:20:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18410 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 09:20:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!in2.uu.net!news1.digital.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!io.UWinnipeg.ca!clark From: Jim Clark Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Push Command Date: Sun, 1 Oct 1995 06:51:43 -0500 Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 23 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos. Shell was Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a new command process or returns to the calling process? Seems to me that most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other programs). For example, that is what does in Procomm. Thanks Jim **************************************************************************** James M. Clark (204) 786-9313 Department of Psychology (204) 786-1824 Fax University of Winnipeg clark@uwinnipeg.ca Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 4L02A CANADA **************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 18:30:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 14:30:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Push Command Date: 1 Oct 1995 18:30:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <44mmoa$8p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Clark wrote: >Hi > >Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the >shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos. Shell was >Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. >Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I >control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a >new command process or returns to the calling process? Seems to me that >most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new >process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other >programs). For example, that is what does in Procomm. Jim, the solution is extremely easy. Respecify the COMSPEC environment variable to point to the program you wish to use as your SHELL. Then MS-DOS Kermit or any other for that matter which supports the PUSH command will start that process instead of the standard COMMAND.COM shell. - Jeff Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 28 03:07:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17954 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:02:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 16:02:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM ThinkPad & PCMCIA card & Kermit Message-Id: <1995Sep28.090727.62206@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Sep 95 09:07:27 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber) writes: > Have recently had to step into the laptop user community using the above > mentioned hardware. Windows based software seems to work okay with the > PCMCIA card, but DOS based Kermit is a no go. Any ideas? > > The IBM is a 755CD, the PCMCIA card is a 28.8K fax/modem by Megahertz. > > Symptoms is system lockup. --------- Probable cause is mismatch between pcmcia hardware and the drivers for same; it's endemic to the scheme. I've installed Kermit on a Thinkpad a couple of years ago with no trouble, but that's a whole computer generation in the past. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 10:24:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Push Command Message-Id: <1995Oct1.162401.62433@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 16:24:01 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Clark writes: > Hi > > Several months ago I asked about how to get Kermit to push back to the > shell from which Kermit was called, rather than pushing to Dos. Shell was > Wordperfect Office and solutions I received were specific to that shell. > Is there any more general solution on the Kermit side; that is, can I > control in anyway within Kermit or in calling Kermit whether Push starts a > new command process or returns to the calling process? Seems to me that > most people would want to return to calling shell rather than start a new > process (e.g., to switch back and forth between Kermit and other > programs). For example, that is what does in Procomm. When Kermit "shells to DOS" it invokes the currently identified command processor, named in DOS Environment line SHELL=. If the line does not exist (as is the default on DOS machines) it uses the COMSPEC= Environment line. The latter is normally COMSPEC=c:\dos\command.com. Please see release doc file kermit.bwr, and search on occurences of keyword SHELL. Kermit has no way of knowing how it got invoked. Since DOS is not a multitasking o/s, as we all know, Kermit's only choice is to invoke that command processor in such a way that Kermit regains control when the processor and its successors complete. The SHELL= line gives the user control of which command process will be invoked as Kermit "shells" to it. Joe D. > > Thanks > Jim > > **************************************************************************** > James M. Clark (204) 786-9313 > Department of Psychology (204) 786-1824 Fax > University of Winnipeg clark@uwinnipeg.ca > Winnipeg, Manitoba R3B 2E9 4L02A > CANADA > **************************************************************************** > From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 10:11:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 18:47:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ?Warning:unknown hardware for port Message-Id: <1995Oct1.161112.62432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 16:11:12 MDT References: <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 61 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <445vuc$4g6@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > Hi, > > Our environment: > > a) Netware 4.1, Lanworkgroup, Windows > b) Before running Windows, we run WGTCPIP & TELAPI > > In the DOS environment, we do not load WGTCPIP & TELAPI. Kermit talks to > our Vax and Dec Alpha via TCP/IP protocols - works like a charm. > > In the Windows environment, we load WGTCPIP & TELAPI and the connection > works fine. One problem that our users find very unnerving is the message > > ?Warning: unknown hardware for port: Using the Bios as BIOS1. > > I read the docs, and the FAQ (section 22 I think). I did the definition > of PORT etc, but no luck, I now get PORT as an error message. > > Our MSKERMIT.INI is called from WIN-ALPHA.INI In the MSKERMIT.INI file, > we have: > > Define PORT - > > {following the FAQ} One wonders why, under Windows, you have these present at all. Presumably (and here others can lend helpful insight) Windows will simulate COM1..4 if it knows they exist and their port/IRQ values. Also, please have a look at the Kermit release notes, if you haven't done so recently, on the discussion of what is meant by COM1. It is NOT a particular port/IRQ value pair. > > PORT 1 > SET SPEED 9600 > etc > > Even when I put the definition of PORT after PORT 1, I still get the > warning about an undefined port. > > Any ideas? Simply put, Kermit can't verify the serial port. Under Windows, which simulates that hardware, it can mean something else is using the port/IRQ at the same time. Do you have a real-mode TSR grabbing the port? SLIP_PPP will do so, so will some mouse drivers. I am no expert on Win 3.1x serial port mumbo jumbo in system.ini, but if yours is slightly tangled then a trip to the Windows Resource Kit is a good suggestion. Joe D. > Thanks > > Robert > > -- > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ > | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | > | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | > | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | > +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 22:56:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:29:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 19:29:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mp.cs.niu.edu!muir.math.niu.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!altair.krl.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I need help with Kermit. Date: 1 Oct 1995 22:56:10 GMT Organization: Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech Lines: 30 Message-Id: <44n6aa$4qh@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <44j0lo$4rn@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: altair.krl.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44j0lo$4rn@bcarh8ab.bnr.ca>, Duc Le wrote: >Hello, > > I am trying to connect my PC, and SUN SPARCstation 5 thru serial ports, and >using kermit for file transfer. The kermit version on the SUN is C-Kermit 5A, >and the PC version is MS-Kermit (very old version). With the proper parameters >set, I can't get it connect, and send/receive file. > > Here are what I set: > SUN PC > --- -- > set line /dev/ttya set port com2 > set parity none set parity none > set terminal bytesize 8 > set speed 9600 set baud 9600 > > Here are my questions: > >a) Where can I get the lastest version of Kermit run on PC. Anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory /kermit/archives, file msvibm.zip. >b) What I am missing? I have the serial cable directly connect the 2 computers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If I assume that "direct" means "not a null modem cable", then this is your problem. You need a null modem cable. Tim. (shoppa@altair.krl.caltech.edu) From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 13:54:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:19:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:19:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help, Kermit wont work Message-Id: <1995Oct1.195432.62440@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 19:54:32 MDT References: <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu>, peterk@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Kleczka) writes: > Hello :) > > I just bought a new-used computer...same as my old one....on the > old one I used to run Kermit.....the new one came with a copy of Comit. > I can't get Kermit to run on the new machine. What happens is it works > fine until i press 'c' to connect....then I get the connect screen > but I can't type any commands (e.g. atdt). I know the phone line is > pluged in because Comit works. I've tried setting to diffrent ports > but the only port Kermit accepts is port 1. I've included part of > the Kermit.ini and some settings that appear on Comit in this letter. > Any advice would be appricated. Thanks. > > Please email me @ peterk@csd.uwm.edu > Thanks, > Pete ----------------- Pete, At the very end of your message, shown below, is the key to your puzzle. The serial port hardware is at port 0x3e8 and IRQ 5. Please do read the release notes which are packaged with MS-DOS Kermit and discover how serial ports are identified. IRQ 5 is not a conventional value at all, and COM2 does NOT, repeat not, mean a specific hardware port either. The solution is to tell Kermit the parameters of your non-standard serial port, via command SET COMx port irq where the "x" is a digit 1..4. It's in the manual. Joe D. > > > comment ** 1200 - No Parity - COM1 ** > comment ** for use on CSD4 Unix BSD 4.3 GNU Emacs ** > comment Kermit.Ini for V2.30 for Emacs > comment 10/20/88 > > set terminal vt102 ;DEC vt102 terminal wmulation > set port com2 ;serial port > set speed 1200 ;PACX > set parity none ;needed for C-Kermit transfers, change to > set receive Packet-length 900 ; > set Default-disk b: ; > set send Packet-length 900 ; > space for > ;Sperry 1100 transfers > > set warning on ;warn if files will be overwritten > set mode-line on ;turn on status line at bottom of screen > > **************************************************************** > Comit settings > > Port COM3 IRQ5 03E8 > > Init ATS0 = 0Q0v1x4&C1&D2 > From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 1 14:16:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03667 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:57:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 1 Oct 1995 22:57:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help, Kermit wont work Message-Id: <1995Oct1.201618.62441@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Oct 95 20:16:18 MDT References: <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 351 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <44mcec$3nt@uwm.edu>, peterk@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (Peter J Kleczka) writes: > Hello :) > > I just bought a new-used computer...same as my old one....on the > old one I used to run Kermit.....the new one came with a copy of Comit. > I can't get Kermit to run on the new machine. What happens is it works > fine until i press 'c' to connect....then I get the connect screen > but I can't type any commands (e.g. atdt). I know the phone line is ------------ Making a followup on the matter, in case others have not taken the opporunity to read KERMIT.BWR in the MSK distribution material. Below is a clipping from that interesting file: Joe D. ---------- (6.2) HOW A PHYSICAL COMMUNICATION PORT IS ASSOCIATED WITH A DOS COMn DEVICE DOS PCs support only two communication ports, COM1 and COM2, but have provisions for two more, COM3 and COM4. COM3 and COM4 are not well supported in most types of PCs, as are COM1 and COM2 which rarely (by themselves) cause any problems (note: this last phrase is becoming increasingly less true as PCs are loaded up with additional devices such as CDROM drives, sound boards, etc). This discussion considers only COM1-COM4. The digit in the port name (like the "2" in COM2) is an index into an area in memory that contains the address of the serial port hardware. The PC's Basic Input/Ouput System (BIOS) has four words starting at segment 40 (hexadecimal), word 0, for the addresses of the first four COM ports. Word 0 is for COM1, word 2 (two bytes per word) for COM2, word 4 COM3, and word 6 COM4. To view: C:\> debug (start the debug program) -d 40:0 (display segment 40) -q (quit the debug program) ("C:\>" is the DOS prompt, "-" is the debug prompt.) Here are the results on a PS/2 with 3 COM ports: 0040:0000 F8 03 F8 02 20 32 00 00-BC 03 00 00 00 00 60 03 .... 2........`. ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^^ COM1 COM2 COM3 COM4 The first line contains the COM port information (ignore the other lines, as well as the characters on the right). "F8 03" is the 2-byte COM1 address, expressed in hexadecimal (base 16) with the low byte first. Thus the actual COM1 address is 03F8 hex, expressed in Kermit commands as \x3f8. The COM2 address is 02F8, the COM3 address is 3220, and (since there is no COM4) the COM4 address is 0000. That is how both DOS and the BIOS understand which ports are defined and where to find them. When your PC is powered up, the BIOS startup code checks for serial port hardware (that is, a Universal Asynchronous Receiver/Transmitter, or UART) at the two port addresses 03F8 and 02F8. If it finds a UART at the first address then that address is placed in word 40:0 and declared to be COM1. Then the BIOS tries the second address and if successful this address goes into the first available word at that time, typically 40:2 as the address of COM2. Thus if you remove a COM1 device then a previously COM2 device will appear in the COM1 BIOS storage area as COM1 to DOS and Kermit. What happens to the other two words depends on the PC model and BIOS. The IBM PS/2 BIOS fills in all four words on startup, but most others handle only the first two because that's how original PCs worked. So... just setting switches or jumpers on a serial port board or internal modem does NOT necessarily define the board to be a particular COM port. So why do some communication programs work with COM3 and COM4 without any special fiddling? These programs ASSUME certain COM3 and COM4 addresses, even when there are no entries in the BIOS communication-port area. Some of these programs show you their assumptions in a menu (and might allow you to change them), others do not. The assumed values are usually as follows: Port Assumed Address (hexadecimal) COM1 03F8 COM2 02F8 COM3 03E8 COM4 02E8 PS/2s use different addresses for COM3 and COM4 -- 3220 and 3228, respectively. Well-behaved communication software (like Kermit) uses these addresses rather than the defaults listed above. Ill-behaved software ignores the segment-40 addresses and erroneously uses its own values, right or wrong. Unchecked use of an assumed port address is DANGEROUS if the device is not really where the software expects, especially if some other kind of device, say a network adapter, is at the given address. It can also produce unwanted conflicts under Windows, OS/2, and DesqView, whose drivers often set the port's segment-40 word to 0 when they want to use the port exclusively and without interference, and then restore the real address when done, and similar unwanted interference with Int 14H redirectors that allow serial-port communication software to be used on network connections. Unlike most other PC communication software, Kermit does NOT attempt to use a communications port unless: (a) It finds its address in the BIOS comm-port area, segment 40, or: (b) You specify the address yourself. AND: The device at the given address passes certain tests, in which registers must contain certain values that are legitimate for a UART. In other words, KERMIT IS MORE CAREFUL than most other communication software, because does not want to risk disrupting normal operation of your PC. (6.3) SPECIFYING THE PORT ADDRESS If you tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT COMn (where n is 1, 2, 3, or 4), and Kermit responds: Warning, no hardware for this serial port. This port will be operated through the BIOS as BIOSn it means that Kermit did not find an address for the port in the BIOS area or it did find one but the hardware at that address did not look like a UART. If the cause of the message is a missing address, you can tell MS-DOS Kermit the address of the port by issuing the following command: SET COMn \xhhhh where n is 1, 2, 3, or 4, and hhhh are four hexadecimal digits (0-9, A-F) representing the 16-bit address. This command not only informs Kermit of the address, but also inserts the address into the BIOS so other programs can find the port (if they follow the rules), and so you don't have to give this command to Kermit again until after the next time you reboot, unless another program removes it again. After giving the SET COMn command, give a SET PORT COMn command for the same port, e.g.: set com3 \x3e8 ; FIRST specify the address of COM3 set port com3 ; THEN select COM3 How do you know what addresses to give? If have purchased an internal modem or an add-on serial port, the installation instructions should tell you. You have to make sure that the address that you have chosen agrees with the address that Kermit will use. Although it is not recommended that you guess at address values, sometimes it is the only way (as often with inherited equipment), for which occasions here is a list of commonly used addresses: Port Likely Addresses (hexadecimal) COM1 03F8 COM2 02F8 COM3 03E8, 3220 (PS/2) COM4 02E8, 3228 (PS/2), 02E0 Now let's look at the other cause for "This port will be operated through the BIOS", namely that an address was found in segment 40, but the device at that address does not appear to be a genuine serial port. Possible explanations: 1. The device is at a different address. Check your device's configuration again, or your SET COMn command. 2. Your device is indeed at the given address, but its registers do not contain values expected of a true PC serial port. In that case, BIOS operation is the only alternative. 3. Your device is at the given address, but there is a conflict with another device at that address or the machine's bus speed (not CPU speed) is set so high that the hardware test gave confusing results. When Kermit operates a port through the BIOS, rather than directly, it will be MUCH slower and might not work at all because the BIOS requires the CD, CTS, and DSR modem signals to be asserted by the device connected to the port (and the CD signal is normally NOT asserted by a modem before it has made a connection to another modem). In that case, you must configure the device (e.g. modem) to assert DSR, CTS, and CD always, or wire your modem cable to fake these signals (e.g. by connecting CD and DSR together). Assuming you have found the right address for your COM3 or COM4 port (or nonstandard address for COM1 or COM2), and you want these addresses to be set correctly for Kermit at all times, even if it doesn't read its initialization file, you can put a command like the following in your AUTOEXEC.BAT file: set kermit=com3 \x3e8; com4 \x2e8; (6.4) INTERRUPTS AND IRQS "I can send characters to the modem, but I never see any on my screen." This complaint, also known as "can-talk-but-not-listen syndrome", usually means that the communication device was found at the expected address, but Kermit's idea of its interrupt is wrong. What's an interrupt? To achieve high-speed communication without impacting other applications, Kermit reads characters from a serial device using "interrupts". Whenever a character arrives at the serial device, the device sends a signal, called an interrupt, that can be "caught" by applications like Kermit, leaving the application free to do other work in the meantime without having to constantly look at the serial port to see if any characters have arrived (an operation called "polling", which is used by some other communications programs). Polling programs are not sensitive to interrupts being set improperly and might therefore work with improperly-configured machines where Kermit will not (until you give it the required info), but they also tend to take over the entire computer. In contrast to polling programs, Kermit is normally waiting for input from the keyboard, so it's idle if you are not typing and no characters are arriving at the communication port. In multitasking environments like Windows or OS/2, this gives other applications the largest possible share of the CPU. When a character arrives at the port, an interrupt signals Kermit to wake up from its keyboard-wait state and read from the port. But Kermit needs to know which device the interrupt came from, so it will not read from the wrong one. The device is identified by an Interrupt Request (IRQ) number, a small number like 3 or 4. The BIOS does not record the IRQ number used by a serial port because the BIOS uses polling rather than interrupts. The communications software has to know which IRQ to use. By convention from the original IBM PC, COM1 uses IRQ 4 and COM2 uses IRQ 3. There is no standard for COM3 and above, but certain conventions are normally followed: Port PS/2 Others COM3 IRQ3 IRQ4 COM4 IRQ3 IRQ3 Certain serial port cards and internal modems allow themselves to be configured with different IRQ numbers (such as 9), even on COM1 or COM2. Check your device's installation instructions. Some types of PCs (PS/2s, for example) allow sharing of IRQ numbers. Each application has its own interrupt service routine and each such routine is built to "chain" interrupts properly (pass them along to other applications if they arrived at the wrong place). This works, for example, with Kermit on a PS/2; you can run two copies of Kermit under Windows, one using COM2/IRQ3 and the other using COM3/IRQ3 (i.e. two ports, same IRQ), both doing input and output simultaneously with no confusion. But on most types of PCs, IRQs can NOT be shared, so each device must have a unique IRQ number. This caution applies especially when you have a serial mouse on IRQ 3 or 4. Once Kermit knows the COM port's address, it tests to see which IRQ number, 3 or 4, the device uses. This is a safe test and doesn't cause any modem signaling or communication to take place. The PC architecture has a limited range of IRQ numbers available, and so (usually) there can not be a unique IRQ number for each serial port when there are more than two, so in most cases no more than two serial ports can be active at once. If the IRQ test fails, a default value is used, as listed above. No error message is given in this case, but "can-talk-but-not-listen syndrome" is a likely result. Some add-on communication boards or internal modems are set up to use IRQ numbers other than 3 or 4 to avoid conflicts with COM1 or COM2 and/or to allow more than two COM ports to be active at once. But this can be dangerous -- for example, IRQ 5 (which is often used for this purpose) is also used by the hard disk controller on the PC/XT. IRQ 7 is often used by network boards. For this reason, Kermit does not automatically test any IRQ numbers other than 3 or 4, and does not use any other IRQ number unless you tell it to. But it is sometimes necessary, particularly on ISA (Industry Standard Architecture) bus machines (PC/ATs and compatibles) and earlier (such as PCs and XTs) to use an IRQ other than 3 or 4, for example when when an internal modem is installed as COM3 on IRQ4, and then use of COM1 prevents COM3 from working, and vice versa. This problem can often be solved by reconfiguring the board to use an otherwise unused unique IRQ number. Ideally this would be a normally free IRQ such as 10 or 11, but unfortunately most communication boards are not configurable for IRQs higher than 7. Here is a brief, and definitely not comprehensive, guide to the low IRQ numbers (decimal): 2 Normally available, but some video boards use it to obey an obsolete standard for indicating vertical refresh. Adjust video board jumpers to not do this. On 286's and above, IRQ 2 is also known as IRQ 9: same IRQ, alternate number. Windows 3.0 had difficulty with devices using IRQ 2, but Windows 3.1 is better. 3 Normally COM2 and COM4. PS/2's use IRQ 3 for all serial ports above COM1. IRQ3 is also a favorite "factory default" of many local area network (LAN) adapters. 4 Normally COM1 and informally COM3 (except on PS/2s). 5 Secondary parallel port. Parallel ports are rarely interrupt-driven (except for Novell RPRINTER users) so this IRQ becomes free if you unjumper it on the parallel port board. LAN adapters are often placed on IRQ 5. PC/XTs use IRQ 5 for the hard disk. Careful with this one. 6 Floppy disk drives. Leave it alone! 7 Primary parallel port. Remove as described for IRQ 5. Be careful, LAN adapters are frequently placed here. IRQs higher than 7 are not available on original PCs or PC/XTs. 9 Alias for IRQ 2 on PC/AT and above. Don't try to use this one as if it were a unique IRQ. 10 Usually free. 11 Usually free. 12 Used by the IBM bus mouse, otherwise usually free. 13 Math coprocessor errors are trapped here, otherwise frequently free. 14 Used by hard disk on 286 and above. Leave alone! 15 Some SCSI controllers use this. Usually free. If your communication board uses an IRQ other than 3 or 4 and you experience "can talk but not listen" syndrome when using Kermit, simply tell Kermit the device's IRQ number. This is done in the SET COMn command, after the address: SET COMn
for example: SET COM3 \x03e8 5 When you include a number (like 3, 4, 5, 6, or 7) after the port address (separated by a space), Kermit skips its IRQ test and uses the IRQ number you specified the next time you give a SET PORT command for that port. AVOID address and IRQ conflicts; these items MUST NOT overlap existing equipment. SERIOUS DAMAGE can result if, for example, the IRQ number you give is the same as the one used by your disk controller or network adapter. Incorrect operation can result if the interrupt is in use by a less critical device, such as a mouse. It is necessary to specify the IRQ number in either of these two situations: 1. The communication device uses an IRQ number other than 3 or 4. 2. Kermit's IRQ test interferes with Windows or a similar environment. Check your PC's configuration carefully before specifying an IRQ number. Before starting Kermit, you can use public domain or commercial utilities like MAPMEM, Northgate QAPLUS, Quarterdeck MFT, or the MSD utility shipped with Windows 3.1 to get an idea of which IRQ numbers are already in use (these utilities are, of course, not foolproof -- for example, they can't tell what IRQs are used by programs that are not presently loaded). (NOTE: Run these programs under DOS, not Windows, if possible, since Windows hides things.) If, even after establishing the device's interrupt, Kermit still fails to operate correctly, check whether: 1. Some other device (such as a mouse or LAN adapter) is generating the same interrupt. 2. Some other software (such as a mouse or video driver) is catching the same interrupt. If you find a conflict, you'll have to resolve it: remove the offending device driver or TSR from your CONFIG.SYS or AUTOEXEC.BAT file or turn it off temporarily (e.g. with the MOUSE OFF command for certain mouse drivers) or reconfigure one of the conflicting devices to use a different IRQ. Example: A PC (not PS/2) is delivered with a serial mouse on COM1 and with COM2 as a free serial port. COM2 can be used with an external modem, but you can't put an internal modem on COM3 because its IRQ conflicts with the mouse and the COM4 address clashes with an 8514/A video adapter (such as the ATI Ultra+). Neither the mouse interrupt nor the video board address can be changed. So to install an internal modem, you must remove the serial mouse and driver and, if you need a mouse, replace it with a bus mouse.