From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 09:46:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01274 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00590 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Script is not quitting after it sends the Page Date: 25 Apr 1996 13:46:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 99 Message-ID: <4lnvn6$i9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lm2ik$4kn@dprmp3.dataprompt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4lm2ik$4kn@dprmp3.dataprompt.com>, Shujaat Siddiqui wrote: : I am working on simple Kermit script to page the Sysyem Administrators : if any Production Machine goes down. : : We have Linux sitting on a P.C. which is a firewall connection to : the internet. I am using that machine also to check the Main Production : machines out. : : Since we have only numaric pagers provided by our company, I am : using the following Kermit Script to send the pager out. : : ****************** BEGINNIG OF SCRIPT ****************** : : set line /dev/modem ; Set for second serial port on a SPARCstation die : set modem hayes ; Set for Hayes modem : set local-echo on ; Echo local (doesn't seem to work) : set duplex full ; Echo local (doesn't seem to work) : These two are synonyms in C-Kermit so you only need one of them. They apply only to CONNECT mode, and since your script does not enter CONNECT mode, they do indeed have no effect. If you want to watch what's going on during the dialing process, use "set dial display on", like it says in the book, "Using C-Kermit". : set parity even ; Should set us to 7e1 : set speed 19200 ; 1200 is max speed AirTouch seems to accept : ;set output pacing 1 ; Seems needed to work with AirTouch : : define \%a 9,5109443 : define \%b 8765432 : : output AT\13 : input 3 OK : if fail stop 1 Can't get your modem's attention : output ATDT\%a,,,,,\%b##;\13 : input 3 OK : if fail stop 1 Can't place call : output exit\13 : "output exit\13"? But "exit" is not a modem command, is it? It certainly isn't going to the pager, since you do not have a data connection -- remember, numeric pagers do not answer the phone with a carrier signal. : pause 5 : hangup : : stop 0 Script succeeded : : *************** END OF SCRIPT ************************* : : The problem I am having, is that above script does the job, which pages : sends the message correctly, but it never hangup and quit the Kermit : session. : I don't know what you intended to accomplish with the "output exit\13" line, but you should probably just remove it. In any case I don't see why the "pause 5" and "hangup" commands would not be executed, so this probably means that the modem is not responding to Kermit dropping the DTR signal, which in turn probably means that the modem is configured to ignore DTR transitions. So instead of "hangup", try: pause 1 output +++ pause 1 output ATH0\13 or (assuming you are using C-Kermit 5A(190)): set dial modem-hangup on hangup Now if you want Kermit to exit when it is finished with the script, change: stop 0 Script succeeded to: echo Script succeeded exit : Also if someone could give me some hints how to get variables outside of : the script instead of hard coding it in my Kermit script, so that I : would be able page more than one person at time. : There are numerous ways to do this -- as parameters to macros, as command-line arguments, as environment variables, etc etc. You should read the script programming chapters of "Using C-Kermit". : ******************************************************************** : * * : * A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Emerson * : * * : ******************************************************************** : Emerson? I though it was Ben Grimm... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 09:49:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01602 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:49:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA00640 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there a new version of Kermit for HP-UX Date: 25 Apr 1996 13:48:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4lnvsa$jo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lm3ds$chu@fcnews.fc.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4lm3ds$chu@fcnews.fc.hp.com>, Bill McKinney wrote: : : Help... : Does anybody know of a newer version of Kermit for HP-UX than 5A (190) : for 9.x systems? : That's the current release. We are working on a new release and you're welcome to test it if you want to. It's in the kermit/test tree on kermit.columbia.edu, available via anonymous ftp. It's more or less at Alpha level now (only for the brave and/or foolhardy); when it reaches Beta level I'll post an announcement here. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 15:21:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17456 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08932 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!news.bhp.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!inquo!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!genmagic!sgigate.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Followup-To: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Date: 25 Apr 1996 10:15:28 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <1996Apr23.122245.1@eisner> <4llu3e$gpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:125841 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5154 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:133504 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:123867 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : And the forthcoming GUI version will support arbitrary screen sizes, not : just the standard 24 x 80 or 132, 49 x 80 or 132, 55 x 80 or 132, etc. : It will also allow you to change the screen size OR the font size by dragging : the window corner, with automatic notification of the host (on Telnet or : Rlogin connections) of the new screen dimensions. Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?). : Right. In the most recent release, 1.1.4, we added searching and bookmark : capabilities for the scrollback buffer too. Also note that you can make : the scrollback buffer as big as you want, up to about 2 million lines, : as long as your PC has the memory and swap space to handle it. Most other : packages have an artificial limit on the amount of scrollback. Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate? Of course, I care less about bookmarks that about Tektronix emulation, but still. Also -- is there really no way to keep supporting and improving a vio / command line version once you go GUI? I just love the ability to use ckermit fullscreen or in text windows, even on slower machines (I am talking 386dx25 with 8 MB RAM, Trident 8900 graphics, and OS/2 Warp, for instance) which would be more or less useless otherwise. : : We are most pleased with Kermit 95. I am too, with C-Kermit 5 (191) for OS/2. : Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like there was only that? I mean, all the other Kermit realted stuff is under a biiiig 'Kermit '95 / NT' headline as 'what''s available' ... Again --- I care more about the software than about the web page, but still. Maybe it is also the text based browser lynx I use; I can't stand the graphics stuff. Kind regards. Stefan : - Frank -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 15:22:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17574 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA08940 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!rail.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news.halcyon.com!usenet From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending XModem through C-Kermit Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:35:43 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4lmobt$cio@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm3-ip19.halcyon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Howdy All, I'm having a bit of trouble and wondering if anyone had "been there" or "Done that". I'm trying to connect to a remote site via our C-Kermit (190) from our big unix box (DG AViiON). I'm using the 'redirect' command and XModem 3.9. I start the xmodem transfer, it sends the first block (128 bytes) and never receives the ACK back. (Same old story, little ack grows up, leaves home... can never come back...:,\). I've verified by hook-and-crook that we can transfer using YModem, ZModem and the blessed Kermit transfer modes, but not XModem. I've examined log files and find that that data gets where its going and the remote machine sends (it thinks) an ACK back, but the sending side never sees it and keeps sending the same block again and again. I've tried making sure I'm working across an 8-bit channel, but I'm unsure if various 'stty' commands and 'set terminal byte 8' is enough. My heart belongs to Kermit and I don't intend to use any other tool (not counting XModem3.9), but I'd really like to get that o'l data flowin again. Thanks in Advance, (ADVthanksANCE) Edward Hatfield. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 15:43:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20914 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09444 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Date: 25 Apr 1996 19:42:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-ID: <4lokk1$96s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <1996Apr23.122245.1@eisner> <4llu3e$gpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:125842 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5156 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:133511 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:123869 In article <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : And the forthcoming GUI version will support arbitrary screen sizes, not : : just the standard 24 x 80 or 132, 49 x 80 or 132, 55 x 80 or 132, etc. : : It will also allow you to change the screen size OR the font size by dragging : : the window corner, with automatic notification of the host (on Telnet or : : Rlogin connections) of the new screen dimensions. : : Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already : and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?). OS/2 C-Kermit 5a(191) already supports Telnet Negotiate About Window Size (NAWS) protocol and uses it if your host supports it. 5a(191) does not support rlogin. : : Right. In the most recent release, 1.1.4, we added searching and bookmark : : capabilities for the scrollback buffer too. Also note that you can make : : the scrollback buffer as big as you want, up to about 2 million lines, : : as long as your PC has the memory and swap space to handle it. Most other : : packages have an artificial limit on the amount of scrollback. : : Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate? The Alpha versions of Kermit/2 (K2) for OS/2 already support all of the enhancements made in Kermit-95. : Of course, I care less about bookmarks that about Tektronix emulation, but : still. Also -- is there really no way to keep supporting and improving a : vio / command line version once you go GUI? Our intention is to develop both in parallel GUI and Console versions. Obviously, graphics features such as Tektronix emulation cannot be supported in Text only Console versions. : I just love the ability to : use ckermit fullscreen or in text windows, even on slower machines (I am : talking 386dx25 with 8 MB RAM, Trident 8900 graphics, and OS/2 Warp, for : instance) which would be more or less useless otherwise. : : : : We are most pleased with Kermit 95. : : I am too, with C-Kermit 5 (191) for OS/2. Thank you. : : Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: : : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : : Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some : money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like : there was only that? I mean, all the other Kermit realted stuff is : under a biiiig 'Kermit '95 / NT' headline as 'what''s available' ... : Again --- I care more about the software than about the web page, but still. : Maybe it is also the text based browser lynx I use; I can't stand the : graphics stuff. Point taken. As new versions of the software are made available on additional platforms the Web Page will be restructured as needed. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 25 20:25:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26487 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 20:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Date: 26 Apr 1996 00:25:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-ID: <4lp55o$fgt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <1996Apr23.122245.1@eisner> <4llu3e$gpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : ... : Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already : and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?). : As Jeff pointed out, the OS/2 version -- like the MS-DOS version -- already supports TELNET NAWS, but the Telnet server on the other end has to support it too. OS/2 C-Kermit (and MS-DOS Kermit) also support the escape sequence method (as in UNIX `eval resize` or the VMS equivalent) but this must be initiated by the host. Since MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit are text-mode programs, screen-sizes change only when you escape back and give commands to change the size, or when the host itself sends an escape to change the size (e.g. to switch to 132-column mode). In a GUI program, we also can change screen dimensions by dragging the corner with the mouse. On Telnet and Rlogin connections, GUI terminal emulators can send the appropriate Telnet or Rlogin protocol messages whenever this happens, as xterm users know. : Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate? : It depends on the platform. If you are asking, will there be a product for OS/2 comparable to Kermit 95, the answer is "maybe". Maybe you and other OS/2 users can help answer it. Obviously we want to please everybody, but there are not enough of us to do that, and in today's financial climate we have to focus our efforts where they will pay off best. (Remember, the Kermit Project pays its own way.) To be candid, we could not give away a product for OS/2 that is the same as the one we are selling for Windows 95. This is our bread and butter. Thus any new Kermit release for OS/2 would need to be a commercial-quality product. But that requires a certain level of investment -- and I'm not just talking about programmer time, but also packaging and so on. The question is: would there ever be enough sales of an OS/2 product to recoup the original investment, or would we take a bath? I don't mean to sound crass, but the newsgroups are full of postings whose gist is "Kermit is GREAT as long as I don't have to pay for it." Kermit 95 users, it seems, have mostly gotten past that. What about OS/2 users? How do we know in advance if the investment is worth the risk? With Windows 95 it was an easy decision. With OS/2? Not so easy. : Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: : : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : : Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some : money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like : there was only that? : Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs. It was posted in a message that discusses Kermit 95. The main Kermit URL is: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html In any case, I hope some of you OS/2 users can help us reach a decision. Look at the Kermit 95 licensing and pricing plans at the aforementioned Kermit 95 URL and see how they would settle with you or your company or institution. In short... would you pay? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 26 02:00:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA25715 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA23008 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 01:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!hearye.mlb.semi.harris.com!ns.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Date: 25 Apr 1996 17:18:49 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <1996Apr23.122245.1@eisner> <4llu3e$gpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: amberxt.ssd.hcsc.com In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 24 Apr 1996 19:06:22 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:125872 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5158 comp.os.ms-windows.win95.misc:133671 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:123949 >And the forthcoming GUI version will support arbitrary screen sizes, not >just the standard 24 x 80 or 132, 49 x 80 or 132, 55 x 80 or 132, etc. >It will also allow you to change the screen size OR the font size by dragging >the window corner, with automatic notification of the host (on Telnet or >Rlogin connections) of the new screen dimensions. Please, please, please: If you're gonna do this, pop-up a small dialog that tells me what size the screen is as I am re-sizing it so I can tell when I have it the size I want (this sort of thing is pretty much the default in X, at least with mwm, and it drives me crazy that I can't ever really tell what size I have under most windows applications). If you can't do that, at least have a alternate way to set the size with a dialog box so I can set it to the exact size I want. -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 The 2 most important political web sites: http://www.vote-smart.org (Project Vote Smart), and http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TomHorsley (Me!) From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 26 13:45:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12013 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA25798 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: marc.mulhuijzen@tip.nl (Marc Mulhuijzen) Subject: Passing variables to kermit to use in a standard script X-Nntp-Posting-Host: amsterdam15.pop.tip.nl Message-ID: Sender: news@tip.nl (The News User) Organization: The Internet Plaza X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:48:25 GMT Lines: 21 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.telegate.nl!news.tip.nl!news Hi, I have a script I use to send a message to my pager. However, I would like to make the messages variable. Can I pass the message to kermit on startup and use e.g. %1 as variable ? The script will in some cases be called 10 times in 1 minute with a different message every time. Maybe there is another solution ? I now use a file that looks like this which kermit takes from my script : assign \%a /dev/tty1 assign \%b Test message Thanks, Marc Mulhuijzen AIX System Manager From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 26 14:45:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19217 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA27099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Passing variables to kermit to use in a standard script Date: 26 Apr 1996 18:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4lr5ir$qen@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Marc Mulhuijzen wrote: : I have a script I use to send a message to my pager. However, I would : like to make the messages variable. Can I pass the message to kermit : on startup and use e.g. %1 as variable ? : Yes. There are many ways to do this, described in the script programming chapters of "Using C-Kermit". : The script will in some cases be called 10 times in 1 minute with a : different message every time. Maybe there is another solution ? : : I now use a file that looks like this which kermit takes from my : script : : : assign \%a /dev/tty1 : assign \%b Test message : Let's assume it is UNIX. You would like to be able to type a UNIX command like: page 7654321 "This is a message" and have Kermit call the phone number and send the message. Let's write a short shell script that passes this info to C-Kermit: #!/bin/sh kermit -C "define \\%1 $1, define \\%2 $2, take scriptfile" -C (uppercase) is the command-line option that lets us give a list of interactive-mode commands on the command line. Note that the command list must be enclosed in doublequotes and backslashes in the Kermit variables have to be doubled -- these are UNIX shell quoting rules. Now your scriptfile can refer to the number as \%1 and the message as \%2, as in: dial \%1 if fail .... output \%2\13 hangup (or however you talk to the pager.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 26 17:27:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10911 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00948 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!imsi.com!imsi.com!not-for-mail From: larrym@imsi.com (Larry Martell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where does kermit get host addresses from? Date: 26 Apr 1996 15:49:25 -0400 Organization: Investment Management Services, Inc. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4lr9c5$b65@titan.imsi.com> References: <4lr8qf$b5a@titan.imsi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.imsi.com In article <4lr8qf$b5a@titan.imsi.com>, Larry Martell wrote: >I"m trying to use C-Kermit to connect to a site with set host. But when I >issue the command it says "Can't get address for ..." But outside of >kermit I can telnet to that same site with no problem. > >Could it be that I'm connecting through a firewall? To telnet I use the >socks telnet. Is there a way to get kermit to know the address of the host >and for it to go through the firewall. A follow up to my own post: When I give the hard coded ip address in the set host command, it says "netopen connect: Network is unreachable". So the real problem is getting kermit to go through the fire wall - that's why it can't get the address. larry -- Larry Martell "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, larrym@imsi.com I feel bad. And that is my religion." From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 26 17:51:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13943 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA01612 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 17:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.cis.okstate.edu!newsfeed.ksu.ksu.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!news.nas.com!news From: jholmes@sos.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 initial screen colors problem v1.1.4 Date: 26 Apr 1996 15:43:14 GMT Organization: Skagit County Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4lqqui$hak@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sos-dialup10.sos.net X-Newsreader: News for Windows NT X1.0-80 I have the 1.1.4 version of Kermit-95. It's listed as item 91 in the bug notes as being fixed, the initial screen colors aren't the same as the ones that I've defined. Is there a way to solve this with this version? Thanks, John Holmes jholmes@sos.net From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 27 08:02:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02179 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.ingr.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!imsi.com!imsi.com!not-for-mail From: larrym@imsi.com (Larry Martell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where does kermit get host addresses from? Date: 26 Apr 1996 15:39:59 -0400 Organization: Investment Management Services, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4lr8qf$b5a@titan.imsi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: titan.imsi.com I"m trying to use C-Kermit to connect to a site with set host. But when I issue the command it says "Can't get address for ..." But outside of kermit I can telnet to that same site with no problem. Could it be that I'm connecting through a firewall? To telnet I use the socks telnet. Is there a way to get kermit to know the address of the host and for it to go through the firewall. TIA, larry -- Larry Martell "When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, larrym@imsi.com I feel bad. And that is my religion." From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 27 08:02:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02184 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06557 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsserver.jvnc.net!newsserver2.jvnc.net!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!VM.TEMPLE.EDU!AMRHEIN From: AMRHEIN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU (amrhein,paul) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal Emulation: cursor control via mouse Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 12:47:38 EDT Organization: Temple University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <17775B3EAS86.AMRHEIN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: vm.temple.edu I am currently incorporating the Kermit file transfer protocol into a terminal emulation program used in an IBM mainframe environment. I have encountered a problem (not related to file transfer) that has me stumped. I'd like to relocate the on-screen cursor with a click of the mouse. The algorithm goes roughly like this: determine the current cursor coordinates determine the coordinates of the mouse pointer when clicked compute the number of arrow strokes (up, down, left, right) needed to properly relocate the cursor send these keystrokes When I implement this algorithm, the mouse click sends the cursor flying about my screen in all directions (reminiscent of the old 'Pong' game), and it comes to rest in an unlikely position. We have come to call this effect 'the rogue cursor.' Is there a trick or secret to controlling the cursor with a mouse? Any suggestions or references would be greatly appreciated. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | Paul M. Amrhein amrhein@vm.temple.edu | | Accounting Information Systems 215-204-3125 (phone) | | Temple University 215-204-4500 (fax) | ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 27 08:02:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02193 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06563 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!scanner.worldgate.com!alpha3!Russell_Schulz Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG (Russell Schulz) Reply-To: Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG (Russell Schulz) Subject: where to get kermit for AS/400 Message-ID: <960425.234729.0c8.rnr.w164w@locutus.ofB.ORG> Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:47:29 -0600 Organization: Private System, Edmonton, AB, Canada X-Newsreader: rnr v2.15 Lines: 24 searching for `kermit' and `as/400', I found a few hits on the web. one of the best is at : > Features of File Transfer Command Facility > > * REDOC File Transfer uses Asynchronous communications to up-load > and down-load files using any of these protocols: Xmodem, Ymodem, > Kermit, and ASCII. You can transfer data between the IBM AS/400TM > and personal computers or any other remote system which supports > one or more of the above file transfer protocols. but: > Ordering Information > > REDOC File Transfer and Command Facility is available for all IBM > AS/400TMs. The price of File Transfer and Command Facility is $995.00. I'm not saying that talking to an AS/400 is trivial in the first place. but I just think that once you are, and you've already implemented 3270 input screens and EBCDIC mappings and all those painful things, that adding the simplest level of kermit on top wouldn't be too much more. -- Russell_Schulz@locutus.ofB.ORG Shad 86c From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 27 08:02:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA02190 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA06561 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 08:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!castle.nando.net!news From: "K.R. Lewis" <"sllewis@nando.net, krl"@rtmx.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.m6809 Subject: Re: Looking for flex 6809 kermit version Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:15:03 -0400 Organization: RTMX Incorporated Lines: 69 Message-ID: <4lr7i7$4fi@castle.nando.net> References: <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: vyger904.nando.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5165 comp.sys.m6809:2492 Peter Orban wrote: > > In article <31775D49.202ACD19@lvd.be>, Lieven Tomme wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I could use a kermit version under the flex operating system, > > running on a Motorola 6809 processor. > > I did not found a binary version yet (thats what I finally > > want). > > Columbia University is the official site for Kermit: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Hello to all, Given a little time (we are absolutely swapped right now), I could possibly help each of you with ALL THINGS FLEX & UniFLEX .... How? Almost six years ago, near the end of life for TSC (Chapel Hill, NC) a few of us former employees (TSC & UniFLEX Computing Ltd.) started our own company to do a POSIX conformant system. It's happend that this too came to pass (RTMX !!! ), but my point to you is we still have ALL of the FLEX & UniFLEX sources archived. There remains still a short time before we could provide the UniFLEX stuff (due to copyright expirations & such), but I am almost sure that anything FLEX *could* be released with no harm. If there is interest, let me know. Be specific. Keep it reasonable, becasue we don't really have a lot of free time to devote. Why this offer? Each of us "worker bees" were left in the lurch when all of the original owners, partners and hanger-on's bailed out. Not really ready to go get real jobs, we decided to try running our own business. The RTMX O/S (see web address below) has been a tremendous success. We were NOT allowed to do anything else with UniFLEX (or FLEX) due to severe restrictions in the license agreements we had to sign - so, nothing new was done. As you can see - both products have died on the vine.... Each of you are certainly entitled some sort of explanation, and to the degree possible, whatever support can be offered. To that end.....I can only offer to try and locate any particular item you might want, and then try retrive it and give it to you. Thanks for taking the time to read this background info. Randy Lewis -- +----------------------- RTMX Incorporated ---------------------+ | Real Time IEEE POSIX Operating Systems, Tools & Techniques | | http://www.rtmx.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kenneth R. (Randy) Lewis | | c/o | | RTMX Incorporated 919-493-1452 (ph) | | 2634 Chapel Hill Blvd., Suite 214 919-490-2903 (fx) | | Durham, NC 27707-2832 sllewis@nando.net | | krl@rtmx.com | +---------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 27 11:25:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17948 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 11:25:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10906 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 11:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 initial screen colors problem v1.1.4 Date: 27 Apr 1996 15:25:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4lte96$akj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lqqui$hak@barad-dur.nas.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4lqqui$hak@barad-dur.nas.com>, wrote: : : I have the 1.1.4 version of Kermit-95. It's listed as item 91 in the bug : notes as being fixed, the initial screen colors aren't the same as : the ones that I've defined. Is there a way to solve this with this : version? : It will be fixed (again :-) in the next patch, which will also come with some nice bonuses. Meanwhile, there are various workarounds: . Hit the reset button (Alt-R). But this also clears the screen. . If your host application has a "refresh screen" command, use it. . Prior to entering the terminal emulator, force creation of a new virtual screen buffer: set terminal color ... ; First set your colors set term scrollback 256 ; Change size of scrollback buffer set term scrollback 5000 ; Change it again (to any size you want) If you put these commands at the end of your K95CUSTOM.INI file, they will always be executed. However, if you are making a connection from the Dialer, the Dialer will issue another set of SET TERM COLOR commands (but without the scrollback-buffer trick) so undo the effect of those here. So if you are using the Dialer, another choice would be to put these commands in a login script, which is invoked from the Login page of the dialer entry. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 27 12:06:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22009 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA11757 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 12:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation: cursor control via mouse Date: 27 Apr 1996 16:06:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ltgmc$bfb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17775B3EAS86.AMRHEIN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17775B3EAS86.AMRHEIN@VM.TEMPLE.EDU>, amrhein,paul wrote: : I am currently incorporating the Kermit file transfer protocol into a : terminal emulation program used in an IBM mainframe environment. : : I have encountered a problem (not related to file transfer) that has me : stumped. I'd like to relocate the on-screen cursor with a click of the : mouse. The algorithm goes roughly like this: : : determine the current cursor coordinates : determine the coordinates of the mouse pointer when clicked : compute the number of arrow strokes (up, down, left, right) needed to : properly relocate the cursor : send these keystrokes : : When I implement this algorithm, the mouse click sends the cursor flying : about my screen in all directions (reminiscent of the old 'Pong' game), and : it comes to rest in an unlikely position. We have come to call this effect : 'the rogue cursor.' : How this sort of thing works depends on various factors. First you should be aware that arrow keys send different sequences depending on the terminal type and what "mode" the cursor keypad is in. The mode must agree with the mode that the host application thinks they are in to achieve the desired effect. Second, the success of this technique depends on the screen management model of the host application: is the screen represented as a n x m rectangle filled with blanks all the way to the right margin, or is it represented as a series of lines of varying length? The best way to make this technique work is to try it yourself, by hand, fingers on arrow keys, in many different situations, using many different techniques, until you find the one that misbehaves the least, and then program it that way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 27 13:08:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27888 for ; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA12920 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 13:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where does kermit get host addresses from? Date: 27 Apr 1996 17:08:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4ltka3$cjj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lr8qf$b5a@titan.imsi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4lr8qf$b5a@titan.imsi.com>, Larry Martell wrote: : I"m trying to use C-Kermit to connect to a site with set host. But when I : issue the command it says "Can't get address for ..." But outside of : kermit I can telnet to that same site with no problem. : : Could it be that I'm connecting through a firewall? To telnet I use the : socks telnet. Is there a way to get kermit to know the address of the host : and for it to go through the firewall. : As you discovered later, you are indeed trying to push through a firewall. There are various types of firewalls. If yours is the type that can be negotiated with SOCKS, and your computer has a Socks library, you can rebuild to use the SOCKS library and then, provided the SOCKS configuration is set up appropriately on your host (as it must be, since Telnet works), you should now be able to make the same connections with C-Kermit as you make with Telnet. Here is an excerpt from the forthcoming edition of the C-Kermit Configuration instructions document: One firewall method is called SOCKS, in which a proxy server allows users inside a firewall to access the outside world, based on a permission list generally stored in a file. SOCKS is enabled in one of two ways. First, the standard sockets library is modified to handle the firewall, and then all the client applications are relinked (in systems where linking is not dynamic) with the modified sockets library. The APIs are all the same, so the applications do not need to be recoded or recompiled. In the other method, the applications must be modified to call replacement routines, such as Raccept() instead of accept(), Rbind() instead of bind(), etc, and then linked with a separate SOCKS library. This second method is accomplished in C-Kermit by including -DCK_SOCKS in your CFLAGS, and also adding: -lsocks to LIBS, or replacing -lsockets with -lsocks (depending on whether the socks library also includes all the sockets entry points). Explicit firewall support can, in general, not be a standard feature or a feature that is selected at runtime, because the SOCKS library tends to be different at each site -- local modifications abound. The ideal situation occurs when firewalls are supported by the first method, using dynamically linked sockets-replacement libraries; in this case, all your TCP/IP client applications will negotiate the firewall transparently. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 28 17:31:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08531 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA07056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nctuccca.edu.tw!news.Edu.TW!news.cc.nctu.edu.tw!serv.hinet.net!usenet From: Clarence Hsu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pcAnywhere using internet? Date: Sun, 28 Apr 1996 22:13:11 -0400 Organization: HiNet, Taiwan Lines: 13 Message-ID: <318425B7.11C6@tp.globalnet.com.tw> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.66.169.103 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win16; I) I have a question regarding the software pcAnywhere, maybe you can help. Since I travel to overseas often, I need to have access to my office computer while I am away without paying international phone rate. Does pcAnywhere allow me to use the internet to connect both the remote and host computers? Both of the computers are using PPP connection. If not, is there any software or method you recommend? Plase send me an e-mail. Thanks in advance. Clarence Hsu chsu@tp.globalnet.com.tw From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 28 17:31:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08536 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA07060 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 17:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Date: 28 Apr 1996 16:30:15 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 255 Message-ID: <4m06en$1bn@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <1996Apr23.122245.1@eisner> <4llu3e$gpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4lp55o$fgt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu Followup: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5171 comp.os.os2.comm:6835 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: :In article <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, :Deutscher wrote: ::... :: Nice. Will the OS/2 version be able to notify the host, too (or is it already :: and its again one of those treasures I haven't found yet?). :: :As Jeff pointed out, the OS/2 version -- like the MS-DOS version -- :already supports TELNET NAWS, but the Telnet server on the other end has :to support it too. Yup, I am just trying to find out what our UNIX boxes can do about it :-) [snip] :In a GUI program, we also can change screen dimensions by dragging the :corner with the mouse. On Telnet and Rlogin connections, GUI terminal :emulators can send the appropriate Telnet or Rlogin protocol messages :whenever this happens, as xterm users know. Nice, still I was very pleased to read in Jeffrey's message that you will continue to offer a console version, since this is one of the many strong sides in my oppinion, that distinguishes Ckermit from the crowd: You can use it fullscreen, text mode, _fast_. Say, w/o slip / ppp connection and a 9.6 modem all I have to use multiple sessions over one dialup is the UNIX screen command. CKermit swaps screens fast enough to make that very pleasant, I'd expect GUI version to be slower. Just an example. Over my ethernet connectoin OTHO I'd have no problem with a GUI version. Anyway, the text mode interface was what caused me to ditch ZOC after I had used it to d/l Ckermit, and hence I am happy. ::Will these things make it in the other releases, too, where appropriate? :: :It depends on the platform. If you are asking, will there be a product :for OS/2 comparable to Kermit 95, the answer is "maybe". Maybe you and :other OS/2 users can help answer it. Ahhhhhh, I see what's comming (and think it is justified). :Obviously we want to please everybody, but there are not enough of us to :do that, and in today's financial climate we have to focus our efforts :where they will pay off best. (Remember, the Kermit Project pays its own :way.) :To be candid, we could not give away a product for OS/2 that is the same :as the one we are selling for Windows 95. This is our bread and butter. :Thus any new Kermit release for OS/2 would need to be a commercial-quality :product. But that requires a certain level of investment -- and I'm not :just talking about programmer time, but also packaging and so on. Well, if you were to include a CD-ROM with Ckermit in the Ckermit book you'd keep packaging down. A friend of mine who runs a hw/sw company told me a while ago that above a certain number of disk distributed CD-ROM is cheaper than even one or two floppies, which is why AOL and people like this can afford to keep sending me all this Windows stuff on CD-ROM, which in my case make great coasters; it seems cheaper even than taking me out of their data base. :The :question is: would there ever be enough sales of an OS/2 product to recoup :the original investment, or would we take a bath? I can't answer this, since I am not all OS/2 users, but I can do two things: I have already taken the liberty to crosspost this to comp.os.os2.comm, where you maight get more exposure to that audience, and I can tell you what I think. Another note though: Someone who reads a 'kermit' newsgroup is probably already in the camp, so the feedback you'd get here might be more positive than the average of all users out there. :I don't mean to sound :crass, but the newsgroups are full of postings whose gist is "Kermit is :GREAT as long as I don't have to pay for it." Kermit 95 users, it seems, :have mostly gotten past that. Well, I really can't resist, but people who don't mind paying for an 18bit (on average) operating system that is inferior to things which are out for a while already (inlcuding UNIces, OS/2, and NT) will probabaly even more happily pay for good software that actually works reliably: CKermit. Now, that that is said, I have got the impression that CKermit users are as loyal as are OS/2 users, so I'd expect the resulting set to be similar: people stick with what works well. I also would assume that posts regarding CKermit may actually be more of the "CKermit is great _and_ it is even free" nature rather than of the " .. _as long_ as I don't have to pay .." one. I at least post the first version no matter where one asks for good OS/2 communications software, and I also always add that people may wish to buy the book to both get full control over the package and to support the project. I understand it is possible to order CKermit from you guys for a charge, but naturally, you will see less orders for something you can download and use legitimately for free, than for software that has to be bought like CKermit/95. So I'd expect your statistics to be influenzed by this fact. :What about OS/2 users? How do we know in advance if the investment is :worth the risk? With Windows 95 it was an easy decision. With OS/2? Not :so easy. I know. Windows is everywhere, so even if you capture only 10 % of its market you will gain, OS/2 is a much smaller and, to be honest, also way more critical market. People who use OS/2 do so because things like Windows didn't fit their needs or expectations, be it just of uptimes of 3+ weeks and heavy multitasking, that means they _have_ expectations in the first place. This is why simple ports of Windows software to OS/2 (like Wordperfect once upon a time) will not be accepted too widely since they don't utilize the power of OS/2's underlying SOM / WPS architecture: Often they don't integrate with the OS but just look like a quick recompile. (The frontend of Mathematica for OS/2 is another example.) Luckily the OS/2 version you have put out is pretty impressive in my mind, including native help files, all that is nice. Maybe a commercial version should also accept some sort of dialing scripts which are stored in a separate CKermit object file and can be double-clicked on or droppend on the ckermit programme object to automate dialing and such. I realize this can be done to some extent already by calling ckermit with, I think -c or so, and having the WPS pass the script file name to Ckermit, but this requires quite some knowledge or at least familiarity with the OS and might be easier for new users if it was installed as some sort of 'CKermit template' that has already the association set to launch CKermit. Just an idea to support my point. To sum it up: Windows software will sell, no matter what, just due to the big market and its inherent inertia. The fact that Windows kept on selling as it did is proof enough. If the Windows software is good, it will sell even better. OS/2 software will only sell when it is good, because the OS has set some expectations. ::Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: :: ::: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html :: ::Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some ::money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like ::there was only that? :: :Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for :Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs. It was posted in a :message that discusses Kermit 95. The main Kermit URL is: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ :The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html Hm. Haven't checked your web page in a while, hm? :-) I _did_ try the 'generic' URL; here we go: Linkname: Kermit Communications Software URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96 * What is Kermit? * Licensing * Documentation * Technical Support * What's New - 14 Apr 96 * What's Available and How to Get It * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) * Further information * Links to Other Sites :In any case, I hope some of you OS/2 users can help us reach a decision. :Look at the Kermit 95 licensing and pricing plans at the aforementioned :Kermit 95 URL and see how they would settle with you or your company or :institution. In short... would you pay? In short: yes, subject to certain restrictions, and I have already once buying the book. But then again, I used to write commercial software myself and think it is perfectly fine to pay for things you use if the price is in a proper relation to the product, and I think it is not right to use illegally copied software, I try to make a contribution to the FSF and buy Nutshell books where most stuff is out on the web, too. I may not be typical. I would not buy a GUI-only version. (Unless there is a non-GUI version also which is either included or --- free, which would be the same on a CDROM). Now lets talk about the prices: First it would have to be reasonable, say together with the book, shouldn't exceed the price of the OS (as one threshold), or if it does, there should be a lite version, and it should probably not be more expensive than shareware registration fees for products like ZOC. Second, there should be well priced site licensing schemes available, so environments like universities and such can afford it and can allow their students and such to afford it, w/o the handbook, which they should buy themselves if they wish. (That means there'd have to be the version with and the version w/o CD around). This would perhaps also buy you more customers in the long run, because most everybody seems to feel the urge to upgrade all the time and once students have left the university they may well _buy_ the next version. Third, old versions should remain available at the original conditions. This is what I can think of now. I also know that I am dying to get Tektronix support and just started to shop around to find commercial offers for native OS/2 tektronix emulators. I'd surely love to see this and my favourite comm package (CKermit -- you guessed it) in one, maybe with a plugin module or a moderately priced add-on to the base package. I realize that not many people will be so eager to get Tektronix emulation, so I'd think it is fair if I pay for it a bit extra. I'd even be happy with the rudimentary Tektronix support NCSA telnet for MS-DOS has, of course the amazingly close-to perfect emulation of EM4105, for instance, wouldn't be rejected either. Also, it would be nice to allow ckermit to intergrate with external picture viewers (like PM View) to allow viewing pictures, say, a weather map, as it is being downloaded, w/o having to put all that stuff in the CKermit code and blow it up to the size of ZOC. (I understand that, e.g. LifeWire can do this integratin with PM View already). Granted, PM View is shareware, but the point is it should be _possible_ and a documented interface rather than building in all and every whistle. Probably CKermit would need to be distributed with the littel add-in (p201 or so?) that allows to use xyz-modem transfers in addition to the kermit protocol, and it would be interesting to see how the Finnish (I believe) gentleman who wrote and made freely available this add-in would feel about his code being part of a now commercial package. I think xyz modem are essential. (I love kermit to death for uploads to my main frames, xyz never get the job done, but for d/l I prefer sz, be it just for the transparent handeling of file types and such.) Did you consider going shareware rather than fully commercial? It seems at leas in an office environment to be more annoying to be told that you use unregistered software than that you use someone elses registered copy ... Did you consider getting together with IBM about it? They distributed lately a CD with demo versions of a boatload of commercial software with contact info and such, and this might get you some exposure. Did you consider posting a solicitaion in comp.os.os2.announce asking what the OS/2 community would think about a commercial CKermit? On a related note, maybe you could set up a web address for further suggestions to CKermit (if you haven't done so, I didnt' check out your whole site). Wolfram Research -- the Mathematica guys -- have an email address suggestions@wri.com, as an example. I keep for most pieces of software I use all the time a little file with notes where I collect ideas, bugs, and such, and send them every now and then. I did this also when 191 was in beta. This way I could beg more efficiently for file name completino also for directories, and when using /, and for a transfer-option that is something like 'basename-literal' to allow to transer file names from some other than working directory w/o having suddenly the same directory structure on the other machine). Anyway, I think this gets bit to much in details. Feel free to send me email if you wish. Kind regards! Stefan ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 28 19:00:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17408 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA09205 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 19:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Date: 28 Apr 1996 22:59:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4m0t9f$8v4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4lp55o$fgt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4m06en$1bn@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4m06en$1bn@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : ... : ::Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: : :: : ::: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : :: : ::Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some : ::money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like : ::there was only that? : :: : :Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for : :Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs. It was posted in a : :message that discusses Kermit 95. The main Kermit URL is: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : :The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html : : Hm. Haven't checked your web page in a while, hm? :-) I _did_ try : the 'generic' URL; here we go: : : Linkname: Kermit Communications Software : URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : : K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT : : - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96 : * What is Kermit? : * Licensing : * Documentation : * Technical Support : * What's New - 14 Apr 96 : * What's Available and How to Get It : * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) : * Further information : * Links to Other Sites : Aha, now I see why people are confused. This *is* the main Kermit page. However, the way it is formatted by a text browser like Lynx makes it look as if the first menu item is actually the title of the menu. In fact, "K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96" is the first menu item, then "What is Kermit?" is the second one, and so on. Thanks for pointing this out -- the arrangement has been changed to make it a bit more clear. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 28 21:55:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05029 for ; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA13100 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Apr 1996 21:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.dseg.ti.com!news From: megee@flopn2.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: host mode with K95 Date: 28 Apr 1996 19:02:31 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4m0fc7$hlo@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-dsbd2-0002.itg.ti.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I have no trouble dialing out with K95 even though my modem wasn't one of the listed few. My trouble is with hostmode. the dialing machine dials, the host machine answers the phone, the modems start to chatter and after the initial burst, the host machine quits. The message in the host window indicates no carrier detected. I put a command in the "mypref" part of the k95custom.ini to set the modem carrier to auto but it didn't work. I've tried two different machines to do the dialing and 3 different terminal software including kermit for linux. I changed the modem setup from hardware to xon/xoff and tried every speed combination. I've got an internal v.34 28800 modem that identifies it's self to win95 as a unimodem733c4e29 It's supposed to be hayes compatible. I've used it before for dialin under linux. any clues? Thanks, Robert Megee megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 29 10:53:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21498 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18779 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: host mode with K95 Date: 29 Apr 1996 14:53:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4m2l5d$iak@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4m0fc7$hlo@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4m0fc7$hlo@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com>, Robert Megee wrote: : I have no trouble dialing out with K95 even though my : modem wasn't one of the listed few. My trouble is with : hostmode. the dialing machine dials, the host machine answers : the phone, the modems start to chatter and after the initial : burst, the host machine quits. The message in the host window : indicates no carrier detected. : This is not a Kermit 95 problem. Your modem is not successfully negotiating a modulation and/or error-correction and/or data compression method with the calling modem. You will have to consult your modem manual to find out what to do. Most V.34 modems have numerous settings regarding negotiation fallback, tone frequencies, etc etc, and you check yours to be sure it is set for the most normal and all-inclusive procedure: enable all modulation fallbacks: V.34 -> V.32bis -> V.32 -> V.22bis -> V.22 -> Bell 103 (in the USA); enable all error-correction fallbacks: V.42 -> MNP; and enable all data compression fallbacks: V.42bis -> MNP. Set the modem up for RTS/CTS (*not* Xon/Xoff) flow control and speed buffering. Many modern modems enter this mode automatically if you give them the simple command to "restore factory settings", such as ATZ or AT&F0 or AT&F1, etc -- depending on the modem make and model. An exception to the above procedure occurs with RPI (Rockwell Protocol Interface) modems, which I sincerely hope you don't have. In that case you must disable everything: RPI, error-correction, data-compression, flow-control, etc, because none of that will work. If you still have your modem packaging, look carefully at the fine print for the phrases "RPI" or "software required" or "controllerless". : I put a command in the "mypref" : part of the k95custom.ini to set the modem carrier to auto but : it didn't work. : That's the default anyway. SET CARRIER tells Kermit 95 whether or when to require a carrier signal; it has nothing to do making the modem negotiate a successful connection. : I've tried two different machines to do the : dialing and 3 different terminal software including kermit for linux. : I changed the modem setup from hardware to xon/xoff and tried : every speed combination. I've got an internal v.34 28800 modem : that identifies it's self to win95 as a unimodem733c4e29 It's : supposed to be hayes compatible. I've used it before for : dialin under linux. : If you can send us the the command summary for your modem, we can probably get you up and running by setting up a "user-defined" modem profile for your modem. Send email to kermit@columbia.edu about this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 29 18:27:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28683 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00308 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news1.erols.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!news-admin From: 0002016821@mcimail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to save info to file Date: 29 Apr 1996 17:08:44 GMT Organization: InternetMCI Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4m2t2s$77f@news.internetmci.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup285.washington.mci.net I am having difficulty saving information to a file. When I set my pc to terminal (connect I think), I then hit send on my other machine (a data collector), the file scrolls by on screen and at this point I am stuck. How can I get it to dump this info right into a file ? tia Kevin J Murphy From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 30 23:37:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10297 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA29897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: which is the best soft. Kermit95, Relfection, KEA ?? Date: 30 Apr 1996 12:12:15 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 65 Message-ID: <4m502v$l0o@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <96042308432572@arcv01.gra.acr.gmeds.com> <4lnjc0$so1@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4lp55o$fgt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4m06en$1bn@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4m0t9f$8v4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4m06en$1bn@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, : Deutscher wrote: : : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : ... : : ::Btw, full information about Kermit 95 is available on the Web at: : : :: : : ::: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : : :: : : ::Just a minor remark. I realize you have to and I hope you do make some : : ::money with Kermit '95, but does that mean that the URL has to look like : : ::there was only that? : : :: : : :Just to clear up this misunderstanding: like it says, this is the URL for : : :Kermit 95, not for all the other Kermit programs. It was posted in a : : :message that discusses Kermit 95. The main Kermit URL is: : : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : : :The OS/2 C-Kermit URL is: : : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html : : : : Hm. Haven't checked your web page in a while, hm? :-) I _did_ try : : the 'generic' URL; here we go: : : : : Linkname: Kermit Communications Software : : URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : : : : K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT : : : : - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96 : : * What is Kermit? : : * Licensing : : * Documentation : : * Technical Support : : * What's New - 14 Apr 96 : : * What's Available and How to Get It : : * Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) : : * Further information : : * Links to Other Sites : : : Aha, now I see why people are confused. This *is* the main Kermit page. : However, the way it is formatted by a text browser like Lynx makes it : look as if the first menu item is actually the title of the menu. Heck, I should have thought of that possibility and at least tried WebExplorer before I moan. Sorry for the noise, and thanks for making it more lynx-friendly. (Isn't it funny that a guy who begs for Tektronix in C-Kermit can't seem to like graphical web browsers?). Thanks again! Stefan : In fact, "K-95 Kermit for Windows 95 and NT - v1.1.4, 7 Mar 96" is the : first menu item, then "What is Kermit?" is the second one, and so on. : Thanks for pointing this out -- the arrangement has been changed to make it : a bit more clear. : - Frank -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed May 1 10:06:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15919 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA01929 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:06:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.ingr.com!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!news.starnet.net!newsreader.wustl.edu!usenet From: "Sammi C. Naes" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Focus Printing - K95 Date: 30 Apr 1996 20:50:56 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4m5ufg$jcf@newsreader.wustl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: @128.252.95.57 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) I am having a problem with Focus Printing using Kermit 95 (hp laserjet 4si printer). I select Landscape but my print comes out portrait, and I only get the first two lines of each page. Does anyone have any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 1 10:53:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22606 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Focus Printing - K95 Date: 1 May 1996 10:53:16 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4m7tss$lvp@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4m5ufg$jcf@newsreader.wustl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4m5ufg$jcf@newsreader.wustl.edu>, Sammi C. Naes wrote: : I am having a problem with Focus Printing using Kermit 95 (hp laserjet : 4si printer). I select Landscape but my print comes out portrait, and I : only get the first two lines of each page. : I take it Focus is the name of your host application. And it has a "transparent print" feature that sends text to your PC's printer? Well, first of all, Kermit acts just like a real VT terminal with respect to printing -- it does not have printer / page setups, etc, for selection of orientation, fonts, and so on, any more than a VT terminal does. It simply redirects the transparent print bytes to the printer. It would be the responsibility of the host application to format the output appropriately for the printer. Second, there is a well-known and age-old problem with the PC printing text from host, namely that underlying operating system tends to forget to tell the printer when the job is done, and therefore to send out the last (or only) page. This might or might not be happening in your case. Probably not, since you say the pages actually do come out, but only have two lines on them. The best course in a case like this is to collect a session log demonstrating the problem, uuencode it, and send it by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu together with a brief description of the problem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 2 00:41:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA28801 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 00:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA23743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 May 1996 00:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Sender: adachi@xnet.com (Kris Kasalo) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.kigam.re.kr!xpat.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: jem@xpat.com Message-ID: Control: cancel <4m791i$t52@flood.xnet.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.com X-No-Archive: Yes Subject: cmsg cancel <4m791i$t52@flood.xnet.com> Date: 1 May 1996 10:22:17 GMT Approved: jem@xpat.com Lines: 3 Cancelled by jem@xpat.com. 830946137 thinning hair Original Subject was: HAIR LOSS?..JAPAN'S LEADING TREATMENT MAKES MINOXIDIL OBSOLETE... From news@columbia.edu Thu May 2 07:31:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA12514 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 07:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA10852 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 May 1996 07:31:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!lexis-nexis!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!usenet From: peteg@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Calling DOS programs from Host. Date: 1 May 1996 17:34:36 GMT Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: peteg@ibm.net (Pete Goodridge) NNTP-Posting-Host: slip166-72-205-106.ma.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2 We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system. The terminals for this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01. For one of our projects we need to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session. Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop doing terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the parameters X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS application? Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 2 10:07:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27680 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA23438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 May 1996 10:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Calling DOS programs from Host. Date: 2 May 1996 14:07:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4mafi7$ms7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, wrote: : We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system. The terminals for : this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01. For one of our projects we : need to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session. : : Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop : doing terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the : parameters X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS : application? : Yes. First upgrade to current Kermit versions on VMS (5a(190)) and MS-DOS (3.14). Then in the update notes (CKCKER.UPD for VMS or KERMIT.UPD for DOS), read about the APC mechanism. It is exactly what you need. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 2 15:15:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08076 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00967 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 May 1996 15:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeeder.servtech.com!murphy2.servtech.com!news From: Terry Carmen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Need to extract data from uncooperative dinosaur Date: 1 May 1996 23:49:21 GMT Organization: Meadowbrook Software Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4m8ta1$6a8@murphy2.servtech.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ds-9.syr.servtech.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) Greetings! I've got an *extremely* shakey System V Rel. 3 / Sys V/386 5.3a unix box that I need to transfer some data from. Unfortunately, the full-height 200 meg drive uses an unknown controller, the tape drive hasn't worked in years and there's no network connection. Just to make my life more interesting, the original installer didn't include any comm software or the c compiler. If anybody could email me a compiled Kermit binary for this system, it would make me a very happy (and much calmer) person. Thanks for the help! Terry From news@columbia.edu Thu May 2 17:28:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25894 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA04222 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 May 1996 17:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.vbc.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Calling DOS programs from Host. Date: 2 May 1996 14:41:06 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4mahi2$rc5@samba.rahul.net> References: <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] peteg@ibm.net wrote: : We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system. The terminals for : this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01. For one of our projects we need : to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session. : Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop doing : terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the parameters : X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS application? You need the current version of MSKermit (3.14), and probably a newer VMS kermit as well (my Unix version is 190 or 191). This will give you "APC" calls, which let the host tell the client to do things, including '\033_run prog.exe xxx yyy ' The only problem I've run into with this scheme is limited memory on the PC, while "shelled out" to DOS. You might want to make your first APC call '\033_run mem ', just to see how much memory you have for your target program. Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 3 18:03:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29374 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26157 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 May 1996 18:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc Subject: Re: ISO Wyse 60 emul. for Win3.1 Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 3 May 1996 14:30:33 -0400 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 61 Distribution: world Expires: 4 July 1996 00:11:22 GMT Message-ID: <4mdjc9INN2mh@duncan.cs.utk.edu> References: <4m6d48$4n4@nw002.infi.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: duncan.cs.utk.edu Summary: MS-Kermit might do the job Keywords: Wyse, Kermit, Windows 3.1 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:8668 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5183 comp.os.ms-windows.apps.misc:18780 In article <4m6d48$4n4@nw002.infi.net> jvogel writes: > > I would like to find a good Wyse 60 emulator which runs under windows > 3.1*. Prefer freeware/shareware, but will consider commercial products as > well. Cost per seat should be <$50. Ideal product is stable, easy to use, > has low memory requirements, and at least a rudimentary script > capability. Any recommendations? TIA. > MS-Kermit for MS-DOS (version 3.14 by Joe Doupnik) might do the job. - It can run nicely in a DOS box under Windows 3.1 (or at least as nicely as any serial-communication program runs under Win3.1). - It can emulate a Wyse 50, which differs from a Wyse 60 only in ways that are generally negligible.* - Three different sub-versions are available, with the idea of keeping memory use low if you don't need certain fancy features. - Extensive scripting is possible. - Extensive support for non-English character sets. - The software itself can be obtained via the Internet.... http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/howtoget.html ...although you'll want to purchase copies of the documentation: \Using MS-DOS Kermit/, 2nd edition, by Christine M. Gianone. Woburn, Massachusetts: Digital Press/Butterworth-Heinemann, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from the publisher, Digital Press, or from Book Stacks Unlimited. The following is a Web URL for the last source: http://www.books.com/scripts/view.exe?isbn~1555580823 The package price is around $40 (US). --<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>-- While I'm at it, I'll advertise the URL of my Web page of my archive of general information on video terminals. http://www.cs.utk.edu/~shuford/terminal_index.html where other options may be explored. --<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>-- * negligible -- n. Fit to be neglected or disregarded. --<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>----<>-- -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "If a man shuts his ears to the cry of the poor, ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | he too will cry out and not be answered." ...Info-Stratus contact| Proverbs 21:13 NIV From news@columbia.edu Fri May 3 23:05:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27336 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA02625 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 May 1996 23:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.cps.udayton.edu!news.engr.udayton.edu!blackbird.afit.af.mil!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Calling DOS programs from Host. Message-ID: <1996May3.085718.79526@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 May 96 08:57:18 MDT References: <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <4m87bc$m9s@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, peteg@ibm.net writes: > We run an application under OpenVMS on an Alpha system. The terminals for > this are DOS machines running MSKermit 3.01. For one of our projects we need > to run a DOS Application in the middle of the session. > > Is there a way for the VMS application to tell the Kermit terminal to stop doing > terminal emulation now, run prog.exe under DOS passing it the parameters > X and Y, and when prog.exe is done return result Z to the VMS application? > > Thank you. --------- Yes, there is, but you will need to do two simple things first. These are a) obtain the current release v3.14 from kermit.columbia.edu as binary file msvibm.zip from directory kermit/msdos, and b) please read the enclosed docs on the APC command. There is one small hiccup: DOS result passing. The only results movable will be in files. Kermit isn't a RPC mechanism. So redirect the output of the program to one or more files and figure out how the VAX end wants to receive the information (raw binary from TRANSMIT command or the far better Kermit file transfer). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 4 10:28:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09295 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 10:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04827 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 4 May 1996 10:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!dastow From: dastow@vcn.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Mskermit with 3270 terminal emulator Date: 4 May 1996 12:22:31 GMT Organization: Vancouver Community Net Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4mfi67$nac@milo.vcn.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.vcn.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am trying to set a 286 computer with an AST Coax-II CUT terminal emulator board to connect with a remote IBM mainframe and I haven't done this before. If anyone has had success making a similar connection, could you tell me what equipment and programs you used? Do I need a cluster controller and synchronous modem at my end? If so, do I need to set Mskermit differently to use a synchronous modem? Thanks, David Stow P.S. Can you point me to any FAQ's or recommend any books on the subject? From news@columbia.edu Sun May 5 04:27:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18641 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 04:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA16027 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 5 May 1996 04:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to save info to file Date: 4 May 1996 04:21:40 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4mem0k$kjm@news.iastate.edu> References: <4m2t2s$77f@news.internetmci.com> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.miu.edu In article 5175 of newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc, 0002016821@mcimail.com writes: > I am having difficulty saving information to a file. When > I set my pc to terminal (connect I think), I then hit send > on my other machine (a data collector), the file scrolls by > on screen and at this point I am stuck. > How can I get it to dump this info right into a file ? > tia > Kevin J Murphy ------------------------------------------------------------ This sounds as if you mean an ASCII (plain text) file, in which case you want to tell Kermit to LOG SESSION [optional file name] before CONNECT, so that everything that appears on or scrolls by your terminal screen will be captured. To close the session log, exit from the CONNECT mode (by means appropriate to your Kermit, such as ALT+X for MS-DOS) and either CLOSE SESSION or exit Kermit. If it happens that you are using a terminal emulator other than Kermit, it may instead have an "Ascii transfer" function which does essentially the same thing. If both computers have Kermit, then you might want instead to let Kermit do the file transfer, using SEND on one machine and RECEIVE on the other (or SERVER on one machine and GET or SEND on the other). Hope this helps! ---------------------------------- Best Wishes, John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) ---------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun May 5 18:26:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05416 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 18:26:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25866 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 5 May 1996 18:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!lenny.rosenet.net!usenet From: ksmith@rosenet.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K-95 Dasher emmulation Date: Fri, 03 May 96 21:01:49 GMT Organization: Rosenet Lines: 5 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp032.rosenet.net X-Newsreader: Quarterdeck Message Center [1.0] I'm trying to connect locally from a PC W95 system to a Data General host to access CEO and AOS/VS. When I connect the LF and CR don't work right and set term newline doesn't fix it. I'd appreciate advice on where to find out how to set the terminal to emmulate a D463? From news@columbia.edu Mon May 6 00:56:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09004 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 00:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA08284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 May 1996 00:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news.halcyon.com!usenet From: ehat@halcyon.com (Edward Hatfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending XModem through C-Kermit Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 03:28:32 GMT Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4mjrhk$lug@news.halcyon.com> References: <4lmobt$cio@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: blv-pm2-ip15.halcyon.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I don't mean to whin, but... I would really appreciate any ideas on this problem from anyone who's been up the same creek without propulsion.(:-0) Thanks (in desperation), Edward. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 6 13:08:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26977 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10660 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K-95 Dasher emmulation Date: 6 May 1996 17:07:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mlbkr$acv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I'm trying to connect locally from a PC W95 system to a Data General : host to access CEO and AOS/VS. When I connect the LF and CR don't work : right and set term newline doesn't fix it. I'd appreciate advice on : where to find out how to set the terminal to emmulate a D463? : Pay somebody about $50,000 to do the necessary year of work? Your other alternative is to access the Data General system in VT100 mode. Give the following command to the AOS/VS CLI: char/on/xlt/nas as soon as you log in, and then Kermit 95 (in VT100, VT102, VT220, or VT320 mode) should work find as a terminal emulator with AOS/VS. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 6 13:11:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27472 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10730 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mskermit with 3270 terminal emulator Date: 6 May 1996 17:10:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mlbr0$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4mfi67$nac@milo.vcn.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4mfi67$nac@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : I am trying to set a 286 computer with an AST Coax-II CUT terminal : emulator board to connect with a remote IBM mainframe and I haven't done : this before. If anyone has had success making a similar connection, : could you tell me what equipment and programs you used? Do I need a : cluster controller and synchronous modem at my end? : You need to connect the board to a coax cable that is connected to a cluster controller. : If so, do I need to : set Mskermit differently to use a synchronous modem? : MS-DOS Kermit does not do 3270 emulation, and it does not know how to use Coax boards. You'll need to find some other software, most likely commercial. Sorry. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 6 13:18:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28412 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10851 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 May 1996 13:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending XModem through C-Kermit Date: 6 May 1996 17:17:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4mlc7a$ais@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lmobt$cio@news.halcyon.com> <4mjrhk$lug@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4mjrhk$lug@news.halcyon.com>, Edward Hatfield wrote: : I don't mean to whin, but... : : I would really appreciate any ideas on this problem from anyone who's : been up the same creek without propulsion.(:-0) : I assume you mean you are connected from computer A to computer B using some kind of terminal program that has Xmodem, and then you are running C-kermit on computer B to connect to computer C, and you want to transfer a file between computers A and C using Xmodem protocol. Sorry, it usually can't be done, at least not if you are uploading (sending the file from A to C). The reason is that C-Kermit, in CONNECT mode, has an escape character that is used to let you get back to command mode -- just like Telnet. The problem is that this escape character is likely -- in fact almost certain -- to appear in an Xmodem packet. If Xmodem encoded ("escaped") control characters there would be no problem. The inflexibility of Xmodem is one of the major reasons that more advanced protocols were designed. You should be able to transfer files on this type of connection using Zmodem or Kermit protocol. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 6 17:01:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA26940 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16043 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UNIX dialout port names? Date: 6 May 1996 21:01:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mlpah$fl4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everybody. I'd like to start collecting information on the device names that are usually assigned to dialout devices on different varieties of UNIX, especially when the names vary according to whether the device has modem control or not, or has hardware flow control or not, or is "hardwired" or not, etc. I'd appreciate it you could send me, by direct email, the following info: UNIX operating system name and version: Device name of dialout device with modem control: Device name of dialout device with hardware flow control: Device name of hardwired or direct-connect serial device: (Obviously not all UNIX varieties make all of these distinctions). Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 6 19:45:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA16042 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA19619 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 May 1996 19:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.dseg.ti.com!exwin.dseg.ti.com!megee From: megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: host mode with K95 Date: 6 May 1996 16:16:53 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4ml8ll$oip@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com> References: <4m0fc7$hlo@mksrv1.dseg.ti.com> <4m2l5d$iak@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: exwin.dseg.ti.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I was able to get it to work in server mode by going to a dos prompt and runnint K95 interactively. Before going into server mode, all I had to do was issue the command ats0=1 to the modem so it would pick up the phone. This verifies what you said about the modem not being set correctly. I'll play with it to get the correct setting for the batch program. Thanks for the help Robert -- ==================================================================== Breathe in and breathe out, | Robert Megee the rest is just fluff... | megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com ==================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue May 7 10:11:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA12554 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA27605 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 May 1996 10:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!inquo!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending XModem through C-Kermit Date: 6 May 1996 18:31:13 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4mlghh$h8k@samba.rahul.net> References: <4lmobt$cio@news.halcyon.com> <4mjrhk$lug@news.halcyon.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Edward Hatfield (ehat@halcyon.com) wrote: : I would really appreciate any ideas on this problem from anyone who's : been up the same creek without propulsion.(:-0) If you wait for the next release of c-kermit... Or, in the meantime, if you have an _old_ version of x/y/zmodem, which is public domain, the line is simple, in my .kermrc. The newer versions of x/y/zmodem (after 1988?) don't allow redirection of /dev/tty, without hacking the code, right near a comment that you shouldn't hack this particular section of code ;-) define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) (The sz/rz that works is from 4/27/88) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 7 13:01:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05776 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 May 1996 13:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mskermit with 3270 terminal emulator Date: 7 May 1996 13:32:22 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4mnjd6$8et@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4mfi67$nac@milo.vcn.bc.ca> <4mlbr0$af5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4mfi67$nac@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : : I am trying to set a 286 computer with an AST Coax-II CUT terminal : : emulator board to connect with a remote IBM mainframe and I haven't done : : this before. If anyone has had success making a similar connection, : : could you tell me what equipment and programs you used? Do I need a : : cluster controller and synchronous modem at my end? : : : You need to connect the board to a coax cable that is connected to a cluster : controller. : : If so, do I need to : : set Mskermit differently to use a synchronous modem? : : : MS-DOS Kermit does not do 3270 emulation, and it does not know how to use : Coax boards. You'll need to find some other software, most likely commercial. : Sorry. : - Frank How about using NCSA telnet? It is available for DOS (we use it still on some machines in an OS/2 window) and has been enhanced to handle tn3270 just fine. Oh -- it is free, and I assume most universities even distriute it. Stefan -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue May 7 17:44:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12688 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09383 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 May 1996 17:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ncar!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Altos Xenix 3.4b ? Date: 7 May 1996 00:13:07 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4mm4ij$5fu@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu Yes, there still exist Altos 2086 computers (286 CPU), running Xenix 3.4b I would be most pleased to find a Kermit which runs on it; thank you for any leads! ---------------------------------- Best Wishes, John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Tue May 7 18:55:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA21371 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 May 1996 18:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Altos Xenix 3.4b ? Date: 7 May 1996 22:55:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4mokck$bu7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4mm4ij$5fu@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4mm4ij$5fu@news.iastate.edu>, John H Meyers wrote: : Yes, there still exist Altos 2086 computers (286 CPU), running Xenix 3.4b : I would be most pleased to find a Kermit which runs on it; : thank you for any leads! : C-Kermit 5A(190) can be built for the Altos. Get the sources and makefile and try "make altos". I can't swear that this will work, but at least it did during some previous C-Kermit incarnation. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). NOTE: If you're interested in testing something newer, go to kermit/test/bin for cku192.tar.{Z,gz} rather than kermit/archives. Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, in this case: make altos Let me know how it goes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 7 19:52:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27919 for ; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA13724 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 May 1996 19:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 7 May 1996 23:52:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5198 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126072 comp.os.vms:126798 vmsnet.alpha:4931 This is to announce that Kermit 95 communication software, previously available for Windows 95 and for Windows NT on Intel and PowerPC platforms, is now also available for Windows NT (3.51 or later) on the Digital Equipment Corporation 64-bit Alpha AXP platform. For details, see the Kermit 95 Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Frank da Cruz Manager, The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Wed May 8 11:58:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09141 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:58:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22925 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 May 1996 11:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!swrinde!news.uh.edu!lurch.sccsi.com!news.sccsi.com!cadserv1!hoang2 From: hoang2@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com (Ted Hoang #2) Subject: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit Organization: Tedix: A Linux fan Message-ID: Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:37:00 GMT Lines: 5 Hi, Could someone tell me how to transfer file using sz and rz within Unix Kermit run on both sides of the Unix servers. Thanks in advance, Ted From news@columbia.edu Wed May 8 14:07:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA26850 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26383 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit Date: 8 May 1996 18:07:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4mqnsg$pob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ted Hoang #2 wrote: : Could someone tell me how to transfer file using sz and rz within : Unix Kermit run on both sides of the Unix servers. : First of all, if you have C-Kermit on both ends, you don't need to use sz and rz. C-Kermit goes just as fast, or faster, if you tune it for speed. More about tuning Kermit for speed in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt But yes, you can use rz and sz from C-Kermit if you want, provided it is a version of rz/sz that allows its standard i/o to be redirected over Kermit's SET LINE or SET HOST connection (only very old versions allow this, or else licensed versions of Professional YAM from Omen Technology). Get the current version of C-Kermit, 5A(190), if you don't have it already and then read section 8 of the ckcker.upd file for instructions. C-Kermit 5A(190) is available as follows: The complete package, including source code, initialization files, installation instructions, documentation updates, hints and tips files, etc, but NOT binary executables: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). NOTE: If you're interested in testing something newer, go to kermit/test/bin rather than kermit/archives. Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions, and please purchase the manual, "Using C-Kermit", if you don't already have it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 8 16:47:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20823 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA29773 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!inquo!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit Date: 8 May 1996 15:11:32 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4mqdj4$r9o@samba.rahul.net> References: <4mqdbc$r40@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Clarence Dold (dold@rahul.net) wrote: : The only time sz is of value is when you are connecting to a source that : doesn't offer a good kermit implementation. In those cases, I use: : define rz !time rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) : define sz !time sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) What I forgot to mention, since I don't use this much, is that the screen display from sz is poor, and on small files, you really can't tell if the file transferred or not. The display is only updated modulo blocksize. On large files, the reported transfer from the updating display is always the nearest blocksize below the file size. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 8 16:47:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20825 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA29771 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!inquo!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit Date: 8 May 1996 15:07:24 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4mqdbc$r40@samba.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Ted Hoang #2 (hoang2@cadserv1.tedix.sccsi.com) wrote: : Could someone tell me how to transfer file using sz and rz within Unix Kermit : run on both sides of the Unix servers. >From unix to unix, with ckermit version 190 available on both ends, there is no reason to run sz. You might need to adjust windows and packets to larger than defaults, but I wouldn't bother running sz. The only time sz is of value is when you are connecting to a source that doesn't offer a good kermit implementation. In those cases, I use: define rz !time rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !time sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) These only work if you have the 1988 version of sz. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 8 21:53:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26150 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA10031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!noao!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!van-bc!news.mindlink.net!news From: Thomas Dzubin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 8 May 1996 18:02:00 GMT Organization: (none) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: line211.nwm.mindlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 16bit) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5203 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126264 comp.os.vms:126926 vmsnet.alpha:4936 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > >This is to announce that Kermit 95 communication software, previously >available for Windows 95 and for Windows NT on Intel and PowerPC >platforms, is now also available for Windows NT (3.51 or later) on the >Digital Equipment Corporation 64-bit Alpha AXP platform. For details, I wish it were called Kermit-NT, then. I make it a habit to stay away from all the lovely products that have "95" appended to it. :-) (Unless of course, someone comes out with VMS-95, or RSX-11-95) :-) From news@columbia.edu Thu May 9 11:02:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14446 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA18401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 9 May 1996 15:01:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5204 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126363 comp.os.vms:126998 vmsnet.alpha:4938 In article <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net>, Thomas Dzubin wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : >This is to announce that Kermit 95 communication software, previously : >available for Windows 95 and for Windows NT on Intel and PowerPC : >platforms, is now also available for Windows NT (3.51 or later) on the : >Digital Equipment Corporation 64-bit Alpha AXP platform. ... : : I wish it were called Kermit-NT, then. I make it a habit to stay away : from all the lovely products that have "95" appended to it. :-) : You can call it Kermit-NT if you want to :-) There is nothing warmed-over about Kermit 95 on NT. It uses built-in Winsock and multiple threads, it understands NTFS, and it is one of the few -- if not the only -- native (i.e. not 16-bit) communications applications that does run on Windows NT on Intel, PowerPC, and Alpha, as well as on Windows 95. It is developed in parallel on Windows NT and Windows 95. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 9 13:53:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06577 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA24538 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 May 1996 13:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 09 May 1996 10:11:10 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 22 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-ID: References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-reply-to: Thomas Dzubin's message of 8 May 1996 18:02:00 GMT X-Posting-Software: Gnus v5.0.15 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5205 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126407 comp.os.vms:127042 vmsnet.alpha:4939 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "TD" == Thomas Dzubin writes: TD> (Unless of course, someone comes out with VMS-95, or RSX-11-95) :-) ^^^^^^ What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMZH9AJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFMvwQAkz1cF78xb0NheOOB2DNXLjvoml7kYLT+ n6nWUJlGd6yySN2gn/xRSNG2Vnq7SjE0+D7qnn2vj2lrthfX/yi32BV/K4/vb0WX rs5O8wd3NbGsgmVaiH7E0GcO9IeDbD2S52Cfk1NIc1zm58trF0K2EYfNT17eNlsr IJKHH6vMjsY= =tCqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ If you're not receiving enough attention, \ try knocking over some very expensive http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ antique lamps. -A cat's guide to life From news@columbia.edu Thu May 9 19:43:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA19303 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04628 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!mvb.saic.com!malun1.mala.bc.ca!mala.bc.ca!dunnett From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 9 May 96 12:34:09 -0700 Organization: Malaspina University-College Lines: 25 Message-ID: <1996May9.123409@malad1.mala.bc.ca> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net> <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: malad1.mala.bc.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5206 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126458 comp.os.vms:127071 vmsnet.alpha:4942 In article <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : > You can call it Kermit-NT if you want to :-) There is nothing warmed-over > about Kermit 95 on NT. Does it still use "console mode" for the actual terminal emulation ( no font selection, one size fits none, scrolling rather slow, doesn't respond immediately to xon/xoff ). All the nice features in K95 don't seem worth it when one is stuck with that ugly little box. The old MSDOS Kermit is more pleasant to use on Win 95 than K95 is :-( I suppose peoples priorities differ, but I don't understand why you'd go to the trouble to preload hundreds of sites I have no interest in visiting while leaving the basic terminal emulator in such bad shape. I'd sure love to hear this is fixed, because I sure can't recommend people buy K95 in its current form. Sorry about the rant, just a very dissatisfied K95 customer ... -- ============================================================================= Malcolm Dunnett Malaspina University-College Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca Computer Services Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5 Tel: (604)755-8738 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 9 20:15:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22183 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05325 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!nr1.ottawa.istar.net!news From: e.gibson@linkd.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unix 2 Unix file names Date: 9 May 1996 22:11:36 GMT Organization: Linkdata Communications Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4mtqio$68j@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: laptop.linkd.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Help... I've been diligently working away at a nightly polling script (replacing a UUCP setup) and am banging my head against the fact that ckermit seems to want to rename the case on a server send and also does not like the double periods in a compressed file (it shifts to lower case and replaces the second period with an "x") any help would be appreciated. e.g. transfering ABC0123.KLM.Z results in abc0123.klmxz Thank You Ed Gibson e.gibson@linkd.net From news@columbia.edu Thu May 9 20:19:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22638 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05413 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 10 May 1996 00:18:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net> <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May9.123409@malad1.mala.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5208 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126460 comp.os.vms:127073 vmsnet.alpha:4943 In article <1996May9.123409@malad1.mala.bc.ca>, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: : In article <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > : : > You can call it Kermit-NT if you want to :-) There is nothing warmed-over : > about Kermit 95 on NT. : : Does it still use "console mode" for the actual terminal : emulation ( no font selection, one size fits none, scrolling rather : slow, doesn't respond immediately to xon/xoff ). All the nice features : in K95 don't seem worth it when one is stuck with that ugly little box. : Yes, it still uses console mode. Believe me, if the full-GUI version were ready, we would not be concealing the fact (and yes, we are still working hard on the full-GUI version). BUT... you can select any font that appears in the font menu, in any size that is offered. Scrolling is not particularly slow -- Kermit 95 has just about the fastest times on scrolling tests of any terminal emulator (although for some video boards, reportedly the NT drivers can be noticably slower than the Windows 95 drivers -- there's not much Kermit can do about that). Converting from console mode to GUI is not likely to make it go faster -- more likely the opposite. Reportedly, however, scrolling operations will go a lot faster in NT 4.0. Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit. As to the ugly little box -- you can change it to be any size or dimensions you want in Windows NT. Windows 95 has bugs that prevent "strange" dimensions from being selected, but NT does not suffer from them. Look at the screen shots on our Web page -- Terminal windows of all sizes, shapes, and colors; read the reviews there too -- sizeability of the terminal window is one of the features that people like best. And you can also change the font, the font size, and the coloration to suite your needs and tastes. For some very useful hints along these lines, see Vince Fatica's "Kermit 95 Bits" Web page: http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/k95bits.html : I suppose peoples priorities differ, but I don't understand why you'd : go to the trouble to preload hundreds of sites I have no interest in : visiting while leaving the basic terminal emulator in such bad shape. : I think our terminal emulator is one of the best. If you have specific complaints about it, let's hear them. The ones above are mostly off base. : I'd sure love to hear this is fixed, because I sure can't recommend : people buy K95 in its current form. : Sorry about the rant, just a very dissatisfied K95 customer ... : Work with us and you'll be more satisfied. If you have questions, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll be glad to answer them. If you have problems, we'll be glad to work with you to solve them. That's what we're here for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 9 20:21:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22932 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05483 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix 2 Unix file names Date: 10 May 1996 00:21:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4mu25q$5b9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4mtqio$68j@nr1.ottawa.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4mtqio$68j@nr1.ottawa.istar.net>, wrote: : I've been diligently working away at a nightly polling script (replacing a : UUCP setup) and am banging my head against the fact that ckermit seems to : want to rename the case on a server send and also does not like the double : periods in a compressed file (it shifts to lower case and replaces the : second period with an "x") any help would be appreciated. : : e.g. transfering ABC0123.KLM.Z results in abc0123.klmxz : As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", which you should have if you are writing scripts, there is a command that governs this feature, just as there is a command that governs just about every other feature. In this case the command is: set file names literal - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 10 15:37:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23600 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 15:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18094 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 May 1996 15:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!malun1.mala.bc.ca!mala.bc.ca!dunnett From: dunnett@mala.bc.ca (Malcolm Dunnett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 10 May 96 10:22:17 -0700 Organization: Malaspina University-College Lines: 51 Message-ID: <1996May10.102217@malad1.mala.bc.ca> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net> <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May9.123409@malad1.mala.bc.ca> <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: malad1.mala.bc.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5210 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126603 comp.os.vms:127173 vmsnet.alpha:4944 In article <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : > Yes, it still uses console mode. Believe me, if the full-GUI version were > ready, we would not be concealing the fact (and yes, we are still working > hard on the full-GUI version). BUT... you can select any font that > appears in the font menu, in any size that is offered. > You're right, I figured this out after posting the last message. The problem is that on NT 4.0 there is no menu bar on the console box, as there is on Win 95. Once I tried the magic "right click while the cursor is on the title bar" I found the properties menu and was able to change the font size ( rather awkward but I suppose you don't have any control over that ). > > Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior > is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit. > Sorry, I should have been more specific - it's with Telnet sessions that I'm seeing this. Of course it's not really using Xon/Xoff in this case, but the effect should still be the same ( ie when I hit ^S I'd like the display to freeze immediately, not 10 or 20 lines later ) > : > I think our terminal emulator is one of the best. If you have specific > complaints about it, let's hear them. The ones above are mostly off base. > I've always maintained Kermit is one of the best terminal emulators around in terms of responding the same way a real terminal would. The problem is that it seems windows users don't want to accept "dos box" applications, they want to be able to interact with their terminal emulator the same way they would any other windows app. As long as K95 uses the console mode for all its real work I can't see people here accepting it. It was terribly disappointing to open up K95 box and run into this. I'd say K95 is a pretty good program, but it leaves a poor first impression. I guess I was just venting my frustration in the last post. Sorry about that. -- ============================================================================= Malcolm Dunnett Malaspina University-College Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca Computer Services Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5 Tel: (604)755-8738 From news@columbia.edu Fri May 10 16:03:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA26944 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 16:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18622 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 May 1996 16:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 10 May 1996 20:02:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4n07de$i56@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May9.123409@malad1.mala.bc.ca> <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May10.102217@malad1.mala.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5211 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126605 comp.os.vms:127177 vmsnet.alpha:4945 In article <1996May10.102217@malad1.mala.bc.ca>, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: : In article <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior : > is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit. : > : Sorry, I should have been more specific - it's with Telnet sessions : that I'm seeing this. Of course it's not really using Xon/Xoff in this case, : but the effect should still be the same ( ie when I hit ^S I'd like the : display to freeze immediately, not 10 or 20 lines later ) : I don't think there is much that any Telnet client can do about this. The problem is that by the time the Xoff reaches the other side, there is already, potentially, a huge amount of stuff "in the pipe", on its way to your screen. So instead of using Ctrl-S, just hit the "Scroll Lock" key. It acts immediately. : I've always maintained Kermit is one of the best terminal emulators : around in terms of responding the same way a real terminal would. The : problem is that it seems windows users don't want to accept : "dos box" applications, they want to be able to interact with their : terminal emulator the same way they would any other windows app. As long : as K95 uses the console mode for all its real work I can't see people : here accepting it. : : It was terribly disappointing to open up K95 box and run into this. : I'd say K95 is a pretty good program, but it leaves a poor first : impression. : That's why we are so scrupulous about describing exactly what it is on our Web page, which is the only place we publicize Kermit 95 (aside from newsgroup postings, which all point to the Web page): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Actually, reception has been better than you might expect. Most people who spend a lot of time in a terminal emulator value its features, speed, responsiveness, and flexibility more than its user interface, since they use the user interface only briefly to make the connection, and from that point on are in a "world of text" anyway, GUI or no GUI. In any case, I agree that -- especially in the mass market -- the fact that Kermit 95 is mostly a console application might indeed leave a bad first impression on many people. That's why we are working so hard to bring you a full GUI version, rather than, say, working to add major new features (like, say, 3270 emulation) to the console version. Watch comp.protocols.kermit.misc for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 10 23:44:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10767 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 23:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28239 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 10 May 1996 23:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!swen.emba.uvm.edu!sadye.emba.uvm.edu!olivares From: olivares@swen.emba.uvm.edu (Jose Olivares) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with mskermit and zoom modem Date: 10 May 1996 15:48:22 GMT Organization: EMBA Computer Facility, The University of Vermont Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4mvog6$gn0@swen.emba.uvm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sadye.emba.uvm.edu Originator: olivares@sadye.emba.uvm.edu I am using ms-kermit to connect my pc to a remote unix network via a zoom 14400 modem. I have a problem with file transfers (I read the manual; couldn't find a clue). When I connect to the network from home and transfer files from C-kermit to my ms-kermit, everything goes fine. But when I do the transfers in the other direction, the speed drops to the minimum (1200 bps). I have tried several combinations of set window, set send/receive block sizes, terminals, etc., with no success. I use the zoom script in version 3.14 for the dial command. I have also tried to change different settings there. Has anybody experienced this problem? How can I fix it? Thanks, Jose' Olivares olivares@emba.uvm.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat May 11 09:46:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06690 for ; Sat, 11 May 1996 09:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA28041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 May 1996 09:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with mskermit and zoom modem Date: 11 May 1996 13:46:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4n25mv$rc7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4mvog6$gn0@swen.emba.uvm.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4mvog6$gn0@swen.emba.uvm.edu>, Jose Olivares wrote: : I am using ms-kermit to connect my pc to a remote unix network via a : zoom 14400 modem. I have a problem with file transfers (I read the : manual; couldn't find a clue). : : When I connect to the network from home and transfer files from : C-kermit to my ms-kermit, everything goes fine. But when I do the : transfers in the other direction, the speed drops to the minimum (1200 : bps). : : I have tried several combinations of set window, set send/receive : block sizes, terminals, etc., with no success. I use the zoom script : in version 3.14 for the dial command. I have also tried to change : different settings there. : There are two likely explanations. First is that you have different settings in the host-to-PC direction than you do in the PC-to-host direction: . Tell BOTH Kermits to "set window 4" (or whatever) . Tell the RECEIVING Kermit to "set receive packet-length 2000" (or whatever) Since you are using the ZOOM dialing script, that means you have enabled RTS/CTS flow control between the PC and your modem. Which brings up the second possibility: the terminal server at your university either lacks flow control for incoming data (as, for example, Cisco ASM-series terminal servers do), or it is not configured symmetrically. If this is the problem, it can be fixed only by the network administrators at your site; for example, by replacing Cisco ASMs with newer models that support bidirectional RTS/CTS flow control -- an expensive proposition. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat May 11 19:43:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07147 for ; Sat, 11 May 1996 19:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA09344 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 11 May 1996 19:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!ggr.co.uk!ussun2n.glaxo.com!concert!ais!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Message-ID: <1996May11.121131.8780@ais> Date: 11 May 96 12:11:31 EST References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5214 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126794 comp.os.vms:127284 vmsnet.alpha:4948 In article , Richard Pieri writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>>>>> "TD" == Thomas Dzubin writes: > > TD> (Unless of course, someone comes out with VMS-95, or RSX-11-95) :-) > ^^^^^^ > What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS? I don't think so, at least not from a user perspective. It's true that Dave Cutler was one of the main architects behind both systems, but I use and program on both Windows NT and VMS all the time, and although NT has a couple of minor concepts in its programming interface that might have been borrowed (with HEAVY modification) from VMS, they are nearly as different from each other as either one is from, for example, Unix. It's possible that the kernel architecture of NT is more similar to that of VMS -- I'm more familiar with the kernel-level details of VMS than I am of NT. (Though that might change. It looks possible that I might be writing some device drivers for NT before too long). But _all_ of the user interface, and most of the programming API, of Windows NT looks more like Windows than it does like VMS. Fortunately the kernel is much more stable and protects itself from out-of-control apps much better than that of Windows 3.1 and 95, but for the purposes of running a system that's "similar to" another one from a user's or programmer's perspective, that's an entirely different issue. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun May 12 00:47:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04587 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA15539 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 May 1996 00:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@simile.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Caldera's WordPerfect Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 12 May 1996 04:47:26 GMT Organization: Council of Foreign Relations, Covert World Domination Bureau Lines: 60 Message-ID: References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <319245C3.5BF3@glacier.jpl.nasa.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: simile.cc.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.8.8.1 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119131 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5215 (Crossposted and followups set to comp.protocols.kermit.misc for obvious reasons.) Evan Leibovitch wrote: |While you're begging "Begging"??? A question on whether an academic discount exists for a particular product != "begging," last time I checked. [Snip] |So a request from someone Columbia to give its educational users a |break comes across as more than a bit hollow. [Snip] |I know you don't speak for Frank and the other folks working on |Kermit, Gee, how kind of you to point that out. |but their refusal to GPL their code, I think the GPL is a Good Thing. However, the Kermit people, in my opinion, can do whatever they want with the code and how it is distributed. Refusal to GPL Kermit is not a sin. Annoying to some? Sure. Many? Perhaps. Within Columbia's rights to do so? Absolutely. |and their hostility to anything that even smacks of commercialism |unless it's Columbia doing the exploitation, sucks big time. How does refusing to allow Kermit to be distributed on CDs or from non-Columbia archives = "Columbia doing the exploitation"? Kermit is free, always has been. The Win95 version is different, of course, but then that's always been a commercial, shrink-wrapped product. No, your problem is that Columbia does not do it Your Way, therefore they are Evil. |And the sight of someone from cc.columbia.edu asking for breaks from |commercial vendors is just too ironic. I'm sure Frank da Cruz is glad I'm willing to take the stripes on his behalf. Anyone want to blame me for Charles Van Doran and the '68 riots, while we're at it? (For the record and by sheer serendipity, I *do* happen to be an employee of the same division of the university as the Kermit people, though not in the same department; in a year and a half of part-time employment I've never met any of 'em and quite possibly never will. Obviously, I am speaking on my own behalf and *not* for Columbia University, Academic Information Systems, the Kermit project, or NBC's Thursday night lineup.) -- http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ _. icbm://40.83.-73.91/ __./ | /___. |___ PERTH------>\*./ From news@columbia.edu Sun May 12 11:57:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07198 for ; Sun, 12 May 1996 11:57:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15378 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 12 May 1996 11:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: 12 May 1996 11:57:03 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119182 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5216 In article , Yeechang Lee wrote: : Evan Leibovitch wrote: : | Columbia is one university that isn't cutting commercial users *any* : | slack (they won't even allow their code to be put on a CD-ROM archive, : | though it is freely downloadable) ... their refusal to GPL their : | code, and their hostility to anything that even smacks of commercialism : | unless it's Columbia doing the exploitation, sucks big time. : ... We would all like it if everything were free. The nice thing about most Kermit programs is that they are, indeed, free. People take them all the time -- thousands of times a day according to our ftp statistics -- and use them without paying a penny. And then they get free tech support by email or newsgroup, or low-cost tech support by voice telephone call. These programs, however, may not be freely redistributed by companies to their customers and clients, companies like: : | Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., ... : | Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / ... They have to license it, and that will cost them some money. Invective is irrelevant -- we are a full-time nonprofit self-funding university-based R&D group that produces software used and depended upon by millions of individuals, by universities, government agencies, and companies all over the world. We have a responsibility to be here to continue to develop and support the software, and that means we have a responsibility to generate income to pay salaries, purchase equipment and supplies, carry maintenance contracts, and so on. Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything back. This is short-sighted. Suppose their products, and hence their customers, come to depend on Kermit, and the Kermit Project disappears for lack of funds? Most companies that need to incorporate our software into their products, or distribute it to their customers or clients, however, are glad to license it from us, and we are happy to work with them to tailor it to their needs. A good example would be the version of C-Kermit that was developed by us for HP-UX 10.0 in cooperation with Hewlett Packard. All HP-UX 10.0 users have it, and everybody's happy. Frank da Cruz Manager, The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 05:32:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA05196 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 05:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA05377 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 05:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!infoshare!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 02:06:59 GMT References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario Lines: 166 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119286 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5217 In article <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >We would all like it if everything were free. The nice thing about most >Kermit programs is that they are, indeed, free. People take them all the >time -- thousands of times a day according to our ftp statistics -- and >use them without paying a penny. [...] >These programs, however, may not be freely redistributed by companies to >their customers and clients, companies like: >: | Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., ... >: | Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / ... Ah, so they're NOT free ... make up your mind! Big bloody deal. I just give instructions so that my clients can fetch Kermit themselves -- that is, those clients who still need it; fewer and fewer of them do (see below). (All for their own research purposes, of course.) You haven't hurt me or them, just cause a minor inconvenience. The cost of the inconvenience, however, will be the ultimate demise of the Kermit Project. >They have to license it, and that will cost them some money. At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution policies. Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures (you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD) hurt only the end-users. Columbia takes delight in advocating the totally arbitrary double standard that allows (even encourages) commercial ISPs to make money off peoples' aquisition of Kermit, but not hard-media distributors. >we are a full-time nonprofit self-funding university-based >R&D group that produces software used and depended upon by millions of >individuals, by universities, government agencies, and companies all over >the world. Yup, software that involved the contributions of hundreds, of people outside of Columbia who haven't received a cent either. Yet Columbia now derives revenue from their efforts, and has indulged in policies that prohobit outsiders from exploiting the value of Kermit, as Kermit has exploited the value of outsiders in the past. How hypocritical! >Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial >advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything >back. This is short-sighted. On the contrary, my friend, this is not only not short-sighted, it is one of the backbones of the Free Software Foundation, and everything produced by the GNU and Linux projects (amongst many, many others). Kermit is in the minority; the ever-shrinking, lonely minority. Far more complex and significant pieces of software than Kermit have emerged that have been either indifferent or encouraging to commercial distribution. Mosaic. CNews and INN. X Windows (and XFree86). TeX. >Suppose their products, and hence their >customers, come to depend on Kermit, and the Kermit Project disappears for >lack of funds? Yes, let's suppose... So what? The code, as it sits, is quite robust. If the Kermit Project dissapeared tomorrow and its code GPL'd, it would live on quite well, thank you. Its maintenance would be taken up by of competent programmers who would extend it and support it in ways you may never have imagined. And people who wanted support would find it, even if Columbia's 'services' dried up overnight. You and Christine might even see higher book royalties as more people would have to RTFM if they had a problem. There are precedents, you know. Major pieces of work such as Postgres and Smail2 have undergone major changes in stewardship, and both are as useful today (if not moreso) as when they were under their inventors' wings. What's your point? >Most companies that need to incorporate our software into their products, >or distribute it to their customers or clients, however, are glad to >license it from us, and we are happy to work with them to tailor it to >their needs. A good example would be the version of C-Kermit that was >developed by us for HP-UX 10.0 in cooperation with Hewlett Packard. All >HP-UX 10.0 users have it, and everybody's happy. How good for you. How good for HP. Under your scenario above, if the Kermit Project ceased to exist, HP may well have spent its Kermit money on a programmer to extend functionality, rather than to subsidize Columbia's bureaucracy. It's all becoming a moot point anyway. The Kermit programs are fast becoming dinosours, legacy tools to communicate with legacy computers, required only when today's better tools like ftp or Seyon or Taylor UUCP (all GPL'd tools) aren't available. Every time a CTOS or RT-11 system gets switched off for the last time, another Kermit user becomes an ex-user. Your user base, and your influence, is shrinking. It would seriously surprise me to hear you're netting any money at all on Kermit95. Columbia made good on its intentions to go full-blown commercial with Kermit95 -- why else would Kermit people go ape over the thought of their work being commercially exploited unless they saw the others as competition? Yet there's not a single computer store, bookshop, or distributor that I know that sells it. The Kermit Project's disgust for commercial enterprises has come back to bite it in the tail, as technically inferior products such as TinyTerm eat Kermit95 for lunch in the marketplace. Heck, it wasn't that long ago that I would have helped your stuff sell. I've personally been responsible for quite a few sales of your C Kermit book, and if you go *way* back you'll find my name on the earliest Kermit mailing lists, as someone who bought *original* Kermit tapes and documentation. (I still have my copy of Kermit News, Volume 1 Number 1, dated July 1986 on green paper.) So, yes, I was an early supporter *and* financial contributor, at a time when you could count the number of Kermit users in Nevada in single digits. I did so out of a sense of community, believing strongly in the original intent of the authors: "The Kermit software -- including source -- is furnished free, without license, or restrictions on copying or redistribution provided that it is not sold for profit, and that any copyright notice are left intact." [ Kermit News, July 1986, Page 4 ] Somewhere, sometime, the Kermit Project either got a bad infection of socialist anti-commercialism dogma, or a desire to limit commercial use so that Columbia alone could exploit Kermit commercially. The simplicity of the above copyright was warped into a nasty set of restrictions that made Kermit less usable and harder to get, just as so much of the freeware community (led by UCB and the FSF) was *easing* restrictions on commercial use. As the freeware world was embracing the GPL and the copyleft, Columbia stood alone in actively rejecting its principles. As an initial contributor and supporter, I had been betrayed. It is the Kermit Project's full right to make any kind of policies regarding the copyright of the base Kermit products, no matter how unpopular, counterproductive, or hypocritical these policies are. It is also my right -- my obligation -- to point out the horrific flaws in said policies. And it is certainly my right to advocate a boycott of funding the Kermit Project or buying any Kemit books or software, because of these anti-commercial policies. I have not taken my boycott call public until this message, it has been strictly word-of-mouth 'till now. When this issue has come up before, Frank and I have merely agreed to disagree. All that has changed is that Frank chose to step into an unrelated discussion in a Linux newsgroup. I was pointing out the irony of a Columbia student whining that he couldn't get an educational discount off a commercial product, while Columbia (thorugh its Kermit Project) rails against the evils of commercialism.... (...unless, of course, it's Columbia's own form of commercialism.) -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504 Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 07:44:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24048 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA26349 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!cdc2.cdc.net!news.stealth.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Various Date: 13 May 1996 04:10:54 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4n6qqe$od7@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org >From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed on 18:07 05-08-96 regarding Re: How to run sz & rz wi we peruse: }> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc }> Subject: Re: How to run sz & rz within Unix Kermit }> Date: 8 May 1996 18:07:12 GMT }> Message-ID: <4mqnsg$pob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> }> References: }> In article , }> which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's Quick, Frank, this is your chance to name it "Otto"... Just Kidding. Nice to see your posting after all these years! Few questions: (1) What Kermits running under Windows 3.11 (16 bit) and/or MS-DOS recognise COM4: as a port? (..Gateway P5-75 & Zoom ..) (2) Will any of these allow me to tell my Zoom modem to lock in 300 baud for one particular app while not restricting me on other apps? (ie let me scout CompuServe at a cheaper rate then use the faster one fo "production") (3) What is "groucho" and what does it have to do with usenet reading? (4) I used to use NightOwl MeX on my 1985 Ampro 80186 (which was hooked up to an HP2621A Peter Bujara sold me in 1980), and I used Kermit for text transfers. When I got this new Pentium in December, I started downKermiting some utilities on my old system to run them on the Pentium, and they got messed up. This happened with both CompuServe and Dorsai. Then someone on Dorsai told me Kermit gets all messed up when not properly told about the right CR/LF sequence (ie Unix/Dos.. CompuServe runs DEC20 clones.. you remember those, ca. 1978 sy.fdc?) What really happened? (A lot of folks I asked this of tried to make Kermit look outdated.. but that can't be - If I didn't try to link the ChE Plessey to the 20, Jeff Damens & Bill Catchings wudda never written Kermit.. I can't be outdated to..) How do I avoid this in the future? tnx/rgds/vjp2 Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- -(Composed offline at 20h21 05012096)- --- þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 07:44:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA24046 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA26347 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 07:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!news From: Urs Scherrer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT Source Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 11:12:09 +0200 Organization: imt AG, Buchs Lines: 10 Message-ID: <3196FCE9.7980@imt.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.imt.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) Hi there Does anybody have a source code (pascal, C ...) for a KERMIT newbie? Thanks i.A. -- << Press Any Key to Reboot >> - Where the hell is the ANYKEY ? Remark: My first name Urs is pronounced like Urs@imt.ch From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 10:03:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06872 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 10:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA00814 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 10:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!neonlights.uoregon.edu!news.jsums.edu!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!bofh.dot!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 06:57:13 GMT Message-ID: <1996May13.015713.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 162 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119323 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5220 In article , evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes: > In article <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: >>These programs, however, may not be freely redistributed by companies to >>their customers and clients, companies like: > > Ah, so they're NOT free ... make up your mind! > > Big bloody deal. I just give instructions so that my clients can fetch Kermit > themselves -- that is, those clients who still need it; fewer and fewer > of them do (see below). I think you're missing the point. If someone fetches Kermit from Columbia and installs it, then a) they have an idea where it comes from, and b) they might have even read the info on support. I have personally seen a number of cases where Kermit "came with" another package or system and the vendor of that other package or system told their customers "just call Columbia for free support". As I understand it, the reason you (or any other individual) can still fetch copies of Kermit executables or sources is *because* the Kermit folks want you to be able to have them for free. They just don't want anyone else making money off the software without giving something back to support fur- ther development or support. > At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which > included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as > part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution > policies. As a user and developer, I was upset when I first heard that the MS-DOS Kermit documentation was being frozen in favor of the commercial Kermit book. However, the documentation (in the form of the book) is vastly im- proved from the notes that shipped with earlier versions of MS-Kermit. When my users ask me questions, I point them to our bookstore and tell them to go buy the manual (or read a copy in our library if they prefer). Would you have any complaints if the books were from an independent source (say, "Kermit for Dummies")? If that's Ok with you, aren't you applying a double standard here? > Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures > (you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD) > hurt only the end-users. I can do that with Netscape too. Doesn't seem to have hurt either Netscape-the-company or Netscape-the-product. And if I'm not an edu- cational site, I have to either pay for Netscape after 30 days or cease using it, while I can continue to use the Kermit I downloaded forever. > Yup, software that involved the contributions of hundreds, of people > outside of Columbia who haven't received a cent either. Yet Columbia > now derives revenue from their efforts, and has indulged in policies > that prohobit outsiders from exploiting the value of Kermit, as Kermit > has exploited the value of outsiders in the past. How hypocritical! How much work have you contributed to Kermit? Look at people like Joe Doupnik (MS-Kermit) or the people like myself who contributed to C-Kermit. The fact that I'm writing this might give you an idea that I'm not being "expolited". >>Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial >>advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything >>back. This is short-sighted. > > On the contrary, my friend, this is not only not short-sighted, it is one > of the backbones of the Free Software Foundation, and everything produced > by the GNU and Linux projects (amongst many, many others). So? They use one model, Kermit uses another. > Kermit is in the minority; the ever-shrinking, lonely minority. > Far more complex and significant pieces of software than Kermit have > emerged that have been either indifferent or encouraging to commercial > distribution. Mosaic. CNews and INN. X Windows (and XFree86). TeX. X Windows wasn't done by uncompensated volunteers. There was some serious backing from the start. If Kermit had similar backing things might have been different. Today's homework assignment: go look at Ghostscript. Report back. > So what? The code, as it sits, is quite robust. If the Kermit Project > dissapeared tomorrow and its code GPL'd, it would live on quite well, > thank you. Its maintenance would be taken up by of competent programmers > who would extend it and support it in ways you may never have imagined. I really doubt that. We'd been asking for help for a *long* time and while we got a "sure, I'll do that" from some *very* big names in "the business", nothing happened. VMS C-Kermit would still be unusable if I didn't start fooling with it in my spare time, rewriting the file I/O from scratch and doing substantial work in the other OS-dependent modules. Aside from my changes and the work Frank did, the *only* other changes made to it were a few things that people found annoying enough to fix. *Nobody* else did any- thing with the VMS stuff, despite a large portion of the VMS community ask- ing for features. This is a platform where most systems have at least one programmer (compared with the PC platform, for example). > And people who wanted support would find it, even if Columbia's > 'services' dried up overnight. You and Christine might even see higher > book royalties as more people would have to RTFM if they had a problem. Sure. The only reason people don't have the books is because vendors were giving them the software without it, and because users were calling the "free" support number. > There are precedents, you know. Major pieces of work such as Postgres > and Smail2 have undergone major changes in stewardship, and both are as > useful today (if not moreso) as when they were under their inventors' wings. And major packages have been taken commercial as well. Most of those packages then abandoned development on their free versions, while the free Kermits are still enhanced, many by volunteers. > It's all becoming a moot point anyway. The Kermit programs are fast > becoming dinosours, legacy tools to communicate with legacy computers, > required only when today's better tools like ftp or Seyon or Taylor UUCP > (all GPL'd tools) aren't available. Every time a CTOS or RT-11 system gets > switched off for the last time, another Kermit user becomes an ex-user. > Your user base, and your influence, is shrinking. A good reason for a shrinking user base was that Kermit wasn't available for the world's most popular platforms - the Microsoft Windows family. There were earlier efforts, but they stalled due to lack of volunteers. Most of the computers ever built are running today, and the majority of them are Windows PC's. Kermit 95 is now available to meet their needs. My guess is that Kermit 95 is commercial because *nobody* could be found to implement it for free. The alternative was either to not write it or to hire someone to do the work. If someone was hired, what do you think they should be paid with? Kermit 95 includes *my* "labeled file" design (I suggested it, and Frank and Joe made improvements, and then I coded it). I'm not jumping up and down for a share of the profits. Any changes I make to C-Kermit will go back to Columbia, where they will find their way into both free and commercial soft- ware. If more people were willing to contribute, maybe we wouldn't be in this situation, but they weren't, despite requests that occasionally took on the tone of out-and-out begging on the Kermit project's part. > It would seriously surprise me to hear you're netting any money at > all on Kermit95. Columbia made good on its intentions to go full-blown > commercial with Kermit95 -- why else would Kermit people go ape over the > thought of their work being commercially exploited unless they saw the > others as competition? Yet there's not a single computer store, bookshop, > or distributor that I know that sells it. The Kermit Project's disgust > for commercial enterprises has come back to bite it in the tail, as > technically inferior products such as TinyTerm eat Kermit95 for lunch > in the marketplace. I don't have the numbers (I've never asked and I don't really care to know) but I assume it's paying its own way or you'd see development stop. If it covers its costs and lets the Kermit folks hire phone support people, what do you (or any of us) care how well it sells? Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 12:03:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA21048 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03470 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with mskermit and zoom modem Date: 13 May 1996 16:03:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4n7mg9$3c8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4mvog6$gn0@swen.emba.uvm.edu> <4n25mv$rc7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4n25mv$rc7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <4mvog6$gn0@swen.emba.uvm.edu>, : Jose Olivares wrote: : : I am using ms-kermit to connect my pc to a remote unix network via a : : zoom 14400 modem. I have a problem with file transfers (I read the : : manual; couldn't find a clue). : : There are two likely explanations. ... : And another one suggested by a person who has used a lot of different Zoom modems: certain models tend to "lock up" for no reason at all, whereas other models tend to work OK; this seems to be related to the specific version of the chipset. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 12:14:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22576 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03647 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Various Date: 13 May 1996 16:14:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4n7n4j$3hr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4n6qqe$od7@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4n6qqe$od7@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA wrote: : (1) What Kermits running under Windows 3.11 (16 bit) : and/or MS-DOS recognise COM4: as a port? : (..Gateway P5-75 & Zoom ..) : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is the latest version, and it works fine on COM3 and COM4 but you might have to some fiddling, of the sort which is described in the online KERMIT.BWR file, section 6. : (2) Will any of these allow me to tell my Zoom modem : to lock in 300 baud for one particular app while : not restricting me on other apps? : (ie let me scout CompuServe at a cheaper rate : then use the faster one fo "production") : You can set the speed to anything you like. If you use the ZOOM.SCR dialing script, it configures the modem for its highest modes of operation. Make a new copy of the script, call it ZOOM300.SCR or something, edit it to use the lower speed and to skip enabling all the fancy features. : (4) I used to use NightOwl MeX on my 1985 Ampro 80186 : (which was hooked up to an HP2621A Peter Bujara sold me : in 1980), and I used Kermit for text transfers. : When I got this new Pentium in December, I started : downKermiting some utilities on my old system to : run them on the Pentium, and they got messed up. : You must tell the file to "set file type binary" when transferring binary files. Also watch out for CompuServe's Kermit implementation -- some reports indicate that it simply does not work right. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 12:59:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA27728 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 12:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!rutgers!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: 13 May 1996 10:09:33 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 29 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-ID: References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May11.121131.8780@ais> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-reply-to: bruce@ais.com's message of 11 May 96 12:11:31 EST X-Posting-Software: Gnus v5.0.15 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5223 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:126973 comp.os.vms:127393 vmsnet.alpha:4951 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "b" == bruce writes: >> What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS? b> I don't think so, at least not from a user perspective. You can layer any UI you want on top of Windows/NT, including something that looks like Unix, and that is what you see. But underneath, the NT kernel has quite a bit in common with VMS internals -- and conceptually it resembles the Amiga's OS quite a bit. Obviously they are not the same thing, but Windows/NT is the closest thing to a VMS port you will find. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMZdCn56VRH7BJMxHAQE+BgP7Br6VEkZ3bwRQ9sHms6N/UAN1W2WJUAsh UgjLG8Bm259WLauu8TcTlDuZAyefB9LdxOie9nbV2TE/btP7ZgnLPSNFW8tn9IXc 7y1Acl1OBFfS2ej7ZOnEuEXCZHJW7fERlc0Up7mO0IwUxubu9sEjtte5NiGL1ok1 NaadMQWiHZI= =+1WS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Never sleep alone when you can sleep on \ someone's face. -A cat's guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 17:18:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02094 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10999 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:18:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!xenitec!nic.wat.hookup.net!news From: alrudder@hookup.net (Al Rudderham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.os.vms,vmsnet.alpha Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:24:06 GMT Organization: HookUp Communication Corporation, Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Lines: 48 Message-ID: <319564c1.8120696@nnrp.wat.hookup.net> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May11.121131.8780@ais> NNTP-Posting-Host: alrudder.wat.hookup.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5224 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:127009 comp.os.vms:127428 vmsnet.alpha:4953 bruce@ais.com wrote: >In article , Richard Pieri writes: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >>>>>>> "TD" == Thomas Dzubin writes: >> >> TD> (Unless of course, someone comes out with VMS-95, or RSX-11-95) :-) >> ^^^^^^ >> What do you think Windows/NT is, if not an Intel almost-port of VMS? > >I don't think so, at least not from a user perspective. It's true that >Dave Cutler was one of the main architects behind both systems, but I >use and program on both Windows NT and VMS all the time, and although >NT has a couple of minor concepts in its programming interface that >might have been borrowed (with HEAVY modification) from VMS, they are >nearly as different from each other as either one is from, for example, >Unix. It's possible that the kernel architecture of NT is more similar >to that of VMS -- I'm more familiar with the kernel-level details of >VMS than I am of NT. (Though that might change. It looks possible >that I might be writing some device drivers for NT before too long). >But _all_ of the user interface, and most of the programming API, of >Windows NT looks more like Windows than it does like VMS. Fortunately >the kernel is much more stable and protects itself from out-of-control >apps much better than that of Windows 3.1 and 95, but for the purposes >of running a system that's "similar to" another one from a user's or >programmer's perspective, that's an entirely different issue. > >Bruce C. Wright Take a look at the memory management of NT. In some areas it's a knock off of VMS, they even used the same terminology. Both have: - modified list - free list - paged pool - non-paged pool - demand zero faults and a few other things in various places where they are similar: - "access violations" (app crash due to illegal memory reference) - base priority plus "boost" (for scheduling) - ACLs There are many many parts of NT that show no similarity to VMS. But if you look around closely, you'll also find a lot of things that are near identical. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 17:48:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05883 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13233 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 17:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sol.net!uwm.edu!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.kth.se!newsfeed.sunet.se!news01.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!nntp.inet.fi!gate.compart.fi!usenet From: joonas.kervinen@pcb.compart.fi (joonas kervinen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: GET in Ms-kermit Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:01:35 GMT Organization: Compart Internet, Helsinki, Finland Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4n78j5$a42@gate.compart.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: spider.compart.fi X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I'm using my own comm prog (Windows C) to dial a kermit server (a bank unix system) to send invoices etc.. The bank has issued a set of kermit command which enables communication with it. It's a plain kermit script. The problem I'm having is how do send a GET. The bank script goes as follows: OUT ATDT555555\13 SEND MYNAME GET OKFILE ..and some command, just as it is typed at MS-KERMIT's prompt. The MYNAME is a plain ASCII file on my hard drive which contains passwords etc. The banks looks at it and then sends me OKFILE which is an ASCII file also and contains text whether my password is ok etc. The problem I'm having is with the GET. When ms-kermit issues GET to the host server it send some characters. I'm at lost how to make similar operation. Putting me program into receive mode after successfully having sent MYNAME results in nothing. Please help me out with this. What bytes do I send? I'm using Greenleaf Commlib btw and BCC 4.53. Please answer via e-mail: joonas.kervinen@pcb.compart.fi From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 19:09:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA15468 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 19:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15025 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 19:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news3.ottawa.istar.net!istar.net!infoshare!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:18:11 GMT References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May13.015713.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario Lines: 308 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119437 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5226 In article <1996May13.015713.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr. wrote: >> I just give instructions so that my clients can fetch Kermit >> themselves -- that is, those clients who still need it; fewer and fewer >> of them do (see below). >I think you're missing the point. If someone fetches Kermit from Columbia >and installs it, then a) they have an idea where it comes from, and b) they >might have even read the info on support. Anyone who reads a copyright message knows where a piece of software came from. Why does this matter, unless (as in the case of Kermit and no other freeware model) the (chief) author wants a piece of the action. As for support, there are very active communities providing support for software that doesn't have an 'official' support mechanism; Linux being the best example. Those wanting support can pay for it from organizations such as Red Hat or Cygnus or Caldera; those who don't need support, even if they use Linux for commercial purposes or distribute Linux to clients, don't have that bother. >I have personally seen a number of cases where Kermit "came with" another >package or system and the vendor of that other package or system told their >customers "just call Columbia for free support". And Columbia, by providing an 'official' help desk, merely plays into the hands of those vendors. So scrap the help desk, eliminate the costs of maintaining Kermit, and get rid of the feeble attempts at revenue-gathering. >As I understand it, the reason you (or any other individual) can still >fetch copies of Kermit executables or sources is *because* the Kermit folks >want you to be able to have them for free. ...as long as I'm not an Evil Commercial Entity, in which case Columbia wants a piece of the action, even if I never use their help desk. >They just don't want anyone else >making money off the software without giving something back to support fur- >ther development or support. The ways in which people 'give something back' can take many forms. Columbia wishes to impose the form that 'something back' takes, in a manner that no other freeware imposes. >> At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which >> included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as >> part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution >> policies. > As a user and developer, I was upset when I first heard that the MS-DOS >Kermit documentation was being frozen in favor of the commercial Kermit >book. However, the documentation (in the form of the book) is vastly im- >proved from the notes that shipped with earlier versions of MS-Kermit. >When my users ask me questions, I point them to our bookstore and tell >them to go buy the manual (or read a copy in our library if they prefer). Indeed. This is a wonderful model, which is used well in a number of instances, the one that comes to mind first is TeX: Like the software? Want to support the author's work? Buy the books. Every client to whom I have distributed TeX has bought the TeXbook. Ditto for Perl and the O'Reilly books. The Kermit model is different. Their slant is that the only way you can buy a hard-media (floppy or CD) distribution is if Columbia makes money on it. It's not voluntary the way TeX or Perl is; it's forced. Columbia, in an interest of maintaining a self-justifying bureaucracy, has created a help desk and then exhibited very commercial tendencies (for a supposedly non-commercial body) in order to recoup the costs of this very unnecessary "feature". >Would you have any complaints if the books were from an independent >source (say, "Kermit for Dummies")? If that's Ok with you, aren't you >applying a double standard here? I don't at all complain about the Columbia Kermit books. In the spirit of other packages such as Perl and TeX, book royalties are an excellent manner to reward the author of a work of software that you use. But the TeX and Perl books still sell despite there being no 'official' help sites for those products, and despite the lack of restrictions on their distributions (commercial or otherwise). I have no complaint about the use of books. My complaint is with Columbia's restrictions that effectively make them the *only* way one may obtain Kermit by floppy disk. >> Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures >> (you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD) >> hurt only the end-users. >I can do that with Netscape too. Doesn't seem to have hurt either >Netscape-the-company or Netscape-the-product. Indeed. But at least Netscape doesn't make any protestations about it being a not-for-profit entity, it makes no attempt to hide its capitalism. Columbia has merely become just another software vendor, with certain conditions under which its software is obtainable for free. >And if I'm not an edu- >cational site, I have to either pay for Netscape after 30 days or cease >using it, while I can continue to use the Kermit I downloaded forever. Almost every software vendor offers educational discounts (that's what started this thread in the first place). Netscape's is a little more generous than others. Frankly, I consider your analogies between Netscape and Kermit to be very apt -- yet one hides under the guise of being non-profit, the other does not. >> Yup, software that involved the contributions of hundreds, of people >> outside of Columbia who haven't received a cent either. Yet Columbia >> now derives revenue from their efforts, and has indulged in policies >> that prohobit outsiders from exploiting the value of Kermit, as Kermit >> has exploited the value of outsiders in the past. How hypocritical! >How much work have you contributed to Kermit? I am not a programmer. In the days I first used Kermit, the way for non-programmers to contribute was to buy Kermit documentation or 9-track tapes direct from Columbia. I did that. What's your point? >Look at people like Joe >Doupnik (MS-Kermit) or the people like myself who contributed to C-Kermit. >The fact that I'm writing this might give you an idea that I'm not being >"expolited". Bully for you. Were you ever given the choice? Were you, or Joe or other contributing bodies like the University of Toronto or Steven Institute of Technology ever *offered* a share of the revenue Columbia would earn when it went commercial? When you joined the development team, when Henson gave permission to use the name, did you know that Columbia would have turned Kermit (or tried, at least) into a commercial product? That you do not object to Columbia exploiting your efforts is very noble. But that does not reverse the fact that Columbia is generating revenue, in part, from work you have done. This is exploitation by most definitions. How many non-Columbia volunteers have joined the Kermit development effort in the last two years? There is none of the sense of community development that existed when the product started, and the credits section of the Kermit manual went on for pages. >>>Some for-profit companies would like to take our work and gain commercial >>>advantage from it, directly or indirectly, without contributing anything >>>back. This is short-sighted. >> On the contrary, my friend, this is not only not short-sighted, it is one >> of the backbones of the Free Software Foundation, and everything produced >> by the GNU and Linux projects (amongst many, many others). > So? They use one model, Kermit uses another. That is obvious. My post is to describe the double standards and arbitrariness of the Kermit model, and to delight in the knowledge that nobody has followed Columbia down that road of dark ethics. >> Kermit is in the minority; the ever-shrinking, lonely minority. >> Far more complex and significant pieces of software than Kermit have >> emerged that have been either indifferent or encouraging to commercial >> distribution. Mosaic. CNews and INN. X Windows (and XFree86). TeX. >X Windows wasn't done by uncompensated volunteers. There was some serious >backing from the start. If Kermit had similar backing things might have been >different. Unless you (and the others who worked on the project) place no value on your time and efforts, it's safe to say that a good many people gave the Kermit Project "serious backing". > Today's homework assignment: go look at Ghostscript. Report back. Assignment complete. My Ghostscript, unlike Kermit, came on a CD-ROM. It has none of the commercial distributions restrictions that Kermit does. It is under the GPL. Next assignment....? >> So what? The code, as it sits, is quite robust. If the Kermit Project >> dissapeared tomorrow and its code GPL'd, it would live on quite well, >> thank you. Its maintenance would be taken up by of competent programmers >> who would extend it and support it in ways you may never have imagined. >I really doubt that. We'd been asking for help for a *long* time and while >we got a "sure, I'll do that" from some *very* big names in "the business", >nothing happened. VMS C-Kermit would still be unusable if I didn't start >fooling with it in my spare time, rewriting the file I/O from scratch and >doing substantial work in the other OS-dependent modules. Aside from my >changes and the work Frank did, the *only* other changes made to it were a >few things that people found annoying enough to fix. *Nobody* else did any- >thing with the VMS stuff, despite a large portion of the VMS community ask- >ing for features. This is a platform where most systems have at least one >programmer (compared with the PC platform, for example). Hmm. Do you imagine *why* there has been so little community support for Kermit of the kind you mention, when other freeware projects such as Linux have been actively supported by DEC? >> And people who wanted support would find it, even if Columbia's >> 'services' dried up overnight. You and Christine might even see higher >> book royalties as more people would have to RTFM if they had a problem. >Sure. The only reason people don't have the books is because vendors >were giving them the software without it, and because users were calling >the "free" support number. So get rid of the "free" support number. Not rocket science. >> There are precedents, you know. Major pieces of work such as Postgres >> and Smail2 have undergone major changes in stewardship, and both are as >> useful today (if not moreso) as when they were under their inventors' wings. >And major packages have been taken commercial as well. Most of those >packages then abandoned development on their free versions, while the free >Kermits are still enhanced, many by volunteers. But they're not free to us Nasty Commercialists to redistribute, remember? Your contribution may be voluntary, but the limitations put on Kermit distribution most certainly are not. >> It's all becoming a moot point anyway. The Kermit programs are fast >> becoming dinosours, legacy tools to communicate with legacy computers, >> required only when today's better tools like ftp or Seyon or Taylor UUCP >> (all GPL'd tools) aren't available. Every time a CTOS or RT-11 system gets >> switched off for the last time, another Kermit user becomes an ex-user. >> Your user base, and your influence, is shrinking. >A good reason for a shrinking user base was that Kermit wasn't available >for the world's most popular platforms - the Microsoft Windows family. There >were earlier efforts, but they stalled due to lack of volunteers. Lack of volunteers!!! Thank you for help proving my point. The very philosophies that the Kermit Project thought would continue its growth, have eliminated the sense of community that it once had, in reality strangling the growth. The volunteers with effort and drive gravitated to the packages without restrictions, such as Linux and GNU and *BSD (or even Seyon :-). >Most of the computers ever built are running today, and the majority of >them are Windows PC's. Kermit 95 is now available to meet their needs. And it is not for sale in most quarters that people seek such software. I've checked. >My guess is that Kermit 95 is commercial because *nobody* could be found >to implement it for free. The alternative was either to not write it or to >hire someone to do the work. If someone was hired, what do you think they >should be paid with? If there is no need, and nobody to step forward to write it, then *don't do it*. That is the role of the commercial marketplace; if commercial vendors did not see the need for Kermit95, what crystal ball at Columbia predicted *it* could make money from the effort? Every modem sold these days comes with a wealth of communications software; this is a *very* hard market to crack. Columbia, with its demonstrated anti-commercial slant, is in the *least* possible position to adequately market it. By commercial standards, Kermit95 is a flop. But I don't think that matters to the Project. Why? The Kermit Project has become a massive self-perpetuating make-work project; its quasi-commercial initiatives only exist to help justify ongoing support by Columbia brass, on what is essentially a mature product that needs no further continuing support. >Kermit 95 includes *my* "labeled file" design (I suggested it, and Frank >and Joe made improvements, and then I coded it). I'm not jumping up and down >for a share of the profits. How noble. Do you at least have the sense to ask for a tax receipt? They're still non-profit, or so they claim... >If more people were willing to contribute, maybe we wouldn't be in this >situation, but they weren't, despite requests that occasionally took on the >tone of out-and-out begging on the Kermit project's part. The begging has happened, IMO, because Kermit is no longer seen as a worthwhile project into which to put effort -- especially volunteer effort, given Columbia's new role as a commercial vendor wannabe. It looks from your description that the comminity programming effort that once marked the Kermit Project is now a shadow of its former self. And the Project has nothing upon which to blame this change except its own pride and greed. You are to be commended for your loyalty, but apparently not enough share your view. Frank said in his post that allowing commercial exploitation of Kermit without compensation to Columbia would be short-sighted. I shall allow time to tell whether the Kermit model, or the GPL adopted by the rest of the freeware world, is the approach that is truly self-destructive. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504 Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 20:44:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25900 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 20:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16937 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 20:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: 14 May 1996 00:44:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4n8l0m$gh7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <1996May13.015713.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119467 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5227 In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: : : (a lot of stuff...) : In case anybody expects me to jump into this argument, don't hold your breath. It's all been done before. This is Evan's sesqui-annual visit to our newsgroup, where he raised all the same points before and there was yet another Great Debate about how the Kermit Project should conduct itself. If you enjoy this sort of thing, the relevant archives can be found at: ftp://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsgroups/misc.941004 and .941221 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 13 23:15:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA08066 for ; Mon, 13 May 1996 23:15:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA20281 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 13 May 1996 23:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May13.015713.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:31:26 GMT Message-ID: <1996May13.213126.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 64 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119491 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5228 In article , evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes: [Lots of things, but I'm only going to address the new points] > Hmm. Do you imagine *why* there has been so little community support > for Kermit of the kind you mention, when other freeware projects such > as Linux have been actively supported by DEC? You can't talk about "DEC" as a monolithic entity. There are still hun- dreds of little kingdoms, despite attempts by Digital to change that. Someone at DEC saw that having Linux available on their "NoName" OEM Alpha motherboard might help sell those motherboards and decided to do something. What DEC products does Kermit help sell? Remember, at the time this was happening, Digital Press (the publishers of all the Kermit books) was a part of DEC and they couldn't even get info on Kermit included with other DEC products! >> Today's homework assignment: go look at Ghostscript. Report back. > > Assignment complete. My Ghostscript, unlike Kermit, came on a CD-ROM. > It has none of the commercial distributions restrictions that Kermit does. > It is under the GPL. > > Next assignment....? Yes, but there are also commercial versions of Ghostscript (by the same author) which have distribution restrictions. >>Sure. The only reason people don't have the books is because vendors >>were giving them the software without it, and because users were calling >>the "free" support number. > > So get rid of the "free" support number. Not rocket science. I believe that has happened. You encourage a 900- or pay-per-call support service but decry the "commercialization" of Kermit? Or would you prefer that there be no support at all? >>If more people were willing to contribute, maybe we wouldn't be in this >>situation, but they weren't, despite requests that occasionally took on the >>tone of out-and-out begging on the Kermit project's part. > > The begging has happened, IMO, because Kermit is no longer seen as a > worthwhile project into which to put effort -- especially volunteer > effort, given Columbia's new role as a commercial vendor wannabe. > > It looks from your description that the comminity programming effort > that once marked the Kermit Project is now a shadow of its former self. > And the Project has nothing upon which to blame this change except its > own pride and greed. You are to be commended for your loyalty, but > apparently not enough share your view. You appear to be ignorant of the timeline here. As an example, Frank had been asking for volunteers to help with VMS C-Kermit since September of 1989, when the previous contributor stopped working on it. I started poking around in July of 1990, nearly a year later. The previous developer stopped working on it in May of 85 and it took about 4 years (until February 1989) to find another volunteer. All of this *far* pre-dates the "commercialization" you're talking about. Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Tue May 14 03:16:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA29008 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 03:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA25368 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 May 1996 03:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!djwhome.demon.co.uk From: David Woolley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit doesn't restore serial port state (spd_hi) on Linux Date: Sun, 12 May 1996 12:03:04 GMT Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 14 Sender: news Message-ID: X-NNTP-Posting-Host: djwhome.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: djwhome.demon.co.uk Kermit 5A (190) will change the Linux setserial mapping for 38400 but will not restore it afterwards. I am using 57600 for UUCP (38400 with setserial spd_hi) but when I use kermit at 38400, it resets to setserial spd_normal, so that subsequent UUCPs are at 38400. The only fix which respects port locking is to change the speed at the end of the kermit script, but this means that the script is not independent of its environment. (Amongst other things, setserial allows 38400 to be mapped to 57600 or 115200 to get round the historic limitations on the available serial speeds under Unix.) -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue May 14 13:25:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12103 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA25829 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 May 1996 13:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!cbgw2.att.com!cbgw3.att.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 for Alpha AXP Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 14 May 1996 15:27:01 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4na8o5$661@samba.rahul.net> References: <4monni$dcm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4mqnio$ole@fountain.mindlink.net> <4mt1cl$huq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May9.123409@malad1.mala.bc.ca> <4mu21f$590@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May10.102217@malad1.mala.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > : > Xon/Xoff is implemented in the Windows serial port driver -- its behavior : > is a property of the operating system, not of Kermit. : > Malcolm Dunnett (dunnett@mala.bc.ca) wrote: : Sorry, I should have been more specific - it's with Telnet sessions : that I'm seeing this. Of course it's not really using Xon/Xoff in this case, : but the effect should still be the same ( ie when I hit ^S I'd like the : display to freeze immediately, not 10 or 20 lines later ) This isn't the fault of Kermit, but of a bufferred protocol. Does some other terminal emulator work the way you expect it to work? I think not, unless there is an option for ^S to operate as a local control, like on some RS232 terminals. You can map the ^S sequence on your kermit to equal ScrollLock, but that would never be a standard feature... Doesn't emacs use ^S for some command? Set Key \1043 \Kholdscrn will make your screen stop when you press ^S. restarting the screen is also ^S, rather than ^Q. Or you could use the ScrollLock button on the keyboard. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 14 21:06:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA05161 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 21:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA07311 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 May 1996 21:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!ieunet!maths.tcd.ie!maths.tcd.ie!not-for-mail From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: 14 May 1996 23:32:34 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4nb1m2$t08@bell.maths.tcd.ie> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May13.015713.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bell.maths.tcd.ie Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119719 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5231 evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >Indeed. This is a wonderful model, which is used well in a number of >instances, the one that comes to mind first is TeX: >Like the software? Want to support the author's work? Buy the books. >Every client to whom I have distributed TeX has bought the TeXbook. >Ditto for Perl and the O'Reilly books. Unfortunately (or fortunately) kermit is not like TeX or Perl. Everything the normal person needs or wants to know about kermit can be written in large type on one sheet of paper. I once read the official kermit book, and found it more or less useless. (I speak as a great admirer of the program.) By contrast, both TeX and Perl are infinitely complicated. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From news@columbia.edu Tue May 14 22:18:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA11365 for ; Tue, 14 May 1996 22:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08889 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 14 May 1996 22:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.htp.net!usenet From: norbert@mail.htp.com (Norbert E. Kremer) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: 14 May 1996 22:11:14 GMT Organization: HTP Net, Inc. 516-757-2599 Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: norbert.htp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119732 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5232 In article , evan@telly.telly.org says... > Wow, I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, which would make this why this level of emotion is justified..... You seem to want it both ways.... you say kermit is legacy-ware, all these other apps blow it away, etc. Then why are you so upset that it's not "free" according to your definition. I have used kermit on and off over the years for the purpose at which it beats everything else that I'm aware of: connecting reliably across different platforms. Personally, I use kermit only when I have to, there are other programs (that I have paid for) that I prefer to use when I can. But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution policies: I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site. Seems to me that if they wrote it, they can spread it around in any manner they choose, even if that is not the same manner that FSF and GPL choose to do it. If you don't like that policy, you can 1.) not use kermit 2.) write a really "free" compatible program and GPL it. I, for one, just don't get what all the excitement is about here... Sincerely, -- Norbert Kremer norbert@mail.htp.com From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 00:14:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA21049 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11874 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 00:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: GET in Ms-kermit Message-ID: <1996May14.143421.80194@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 May 96 14:34:20 MDT References: <4n78j5$a42@gate.compart.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 54 In article <4n78j5$a42@gate.compart.fi>, joonas.kervinen@pcb.compart.fi (joonas kervinen) writes: > I'm using my own comm prog (Windows C) to dial a kermit server (a bank > unix system) to send invoices etc.. The bank has issued a set of > kermit command which enables communication with it. It's a plain > kermit script. The problem I'm having is how do send a GET. The bank > script goes as follows: > OUT ATDT555555\13 > SEND MYNAME > GET OKFILE > ..and some command, just as it is typed at MS-KERMIT's prompt. The > MYNAME is a plain ASCII file on my hard drive which contains passwords > etc. The banks looks at it and then sends me OKFILE which is an ASCII > file also and contains text whether my password is ok etc. The problem > I'm having is with the GET. When ms-kermit issues GET to the host > server it send some characters. I'm at lost how to make similar > operation. Putting me program into receive mode after successfully > having sent MYNAME results in nothing. Please help me out with this. > What bytes do I send? > I'm using Greenleaf Commlib btw and BCC 4.53. ----------- GET is a command from client to server. RECEIVE is a command from client to itself. GET initiates action, RECEIVE passively waits for action from the other side. Servers, like polite lawyers, sit and wait for clients to come to them with a request. The official specification of the Kermit protocol is the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, plus the extensions invented since publication (and which are documented on kermit.columbia.edu). You need that book, so please contact Columbia for current ordering information. Now I can't resist a comment on security. One N E V E R puts passwords in disk files. Your bank's procedures are thus wide open to misuse, and were I in your shoes my money would move elsewhere (voluntarily rather than as a big surprize one day). Perhaps they intended you to manually type the access codes rather than exposing you and them to unwanted usage by leaving them exposed on disk. What your bank should have done is: a) provide you with an encryption program, which prompts for your password and provides an encrypted response. The response depends on what you type PLUS what the bank sends at That Moment Only as an encryption key. The program erases your plaintext password and any memory so used before returning the result. b) You send the encrypted result to the bank, and in turn you receive an encrypted reply. The reply goes into that program, it is decrypted with the response you just sent (or similar) and says OK, Good Morning or whatever soothing phrase. The first response contains a time of day attribute such that it self destructs ("Your assignment Jim, if you choose to accept it...") after a minute or less. In both cases only encrypted traffic goes over the wire, never your plaintext password. Keys change on every message, and they expire rapidly anyway. There is a large body of reseach on such matters so I am being only suggestive here rather than precise. Don't mistake my advise as gospel truth. Boy, what an education one gets by asking a simple question... Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 09:54:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16905 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 09:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12831 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 09:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!bofh.dot!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!agis!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Various Date: 15 May 1996 04:17:07 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4nc3u3$3uf@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org TO: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed on 16:14 05-13-96 regarding Re: Various we peruse: }> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc }> Message-ID: <4n7n4j$3hr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>ntium, and they got messed up. }> You must tell the file to "set file type binary" when }> transferring binary files. Also watch out for CompuServe's }> Kermit implementation -- some reports indicate that it simply }> does not work right. Thanks. It probably doesn't. VEdit sent me their CRT version by e-mail in the summer when I only had the 80186 and no ZIP program (unix or msdos) could unpack it. But I had the same problem in December (when I had the Pentium modem-less) when I tried to get some fonts off www.hri.org with Dorsai's kermit (which is a GNU BASH SunOS setup) in server mode. So I was blaming MeX -- which might've worked elsewhere.. Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- -(Composed offline at 13h40 05014096)- --- þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 09:59:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA17405 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 09:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12938 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 09:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Sender: privacy@interlink-bbs.com Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!news.utdallas.edu!news.tamu.edu!newshost.comco.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!cdc2.cdc.net!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news.dacom.co.kr!xpat.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: jem@xpat.com Message-ID: Control: cancel <9605141431.D6990eb@interlink-bbs.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.com X-No-Archive: Yes Subject: cmsg cancel <9605141431.D6990eb@interlink-bbs.com> Date: 15 May 1996 09:04:22 GMT Approved: jem@xpat.com Lines: 3 Cancelled by jem@xpat.com. 832151062 IneterlinkBBS Original Subject was: New Anonymous Remailer From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 10:44:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23068 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13992 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 10:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!bofh.dot!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uib.no!usenet From: skjalg@imr.no (Skjalg Thorbjørnsen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit and PC-NFS Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 11:28:24 GMT Organization: University of Bergen, Norway Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3199bce4.846261@gate> NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeeper.imr.no X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Hi there, We have a network with SUN Unix servers and PC's which runs Sun PC-NFS 5.x TCP/IP. I received a copy of MS-Kermit 3.00 from a guy who had made some settings in a Kermit scriptfile. The purpose is to run an application (SAS) on a remote machine in Denmark through Kermit. He had made some key-mappings to suit that application. The problem is that I can't get connected to the remote machine with Kermit. I've tried different SET PORT ... and all it says is that Network is unavailable. Can I get MS-Kermit to run with PC-NFS and use the server in Denmark (I also tried 3.14 which had more Network support but to no use). The guy who made the script used 3COM(BAPI) (wtf is this?) as the network and it worked at his place. I can of course use PC-NFS buil-in Telnet but I wan't to use the keyboard setting already set up with Kermit. Btw We are located behind a firewall, does that cause any problems. Any clues, please. Skjalg Thorbjørnsen Institue of Marine Research Bergen, Norway From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 14:45:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21459 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 14:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19451 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wwa.com!news From: Jim Jacobus Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 10:40:45 -0500 Organization: PonyXPress Horse Transportation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <3199FAFC.12D6@wwa.com> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vh3-050.wwa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119840 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5236 Evan Leibovitch wrote: > > In article <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > At one time I regularly encouraged customers to buy the books which > included the Kermit programming. I've stopped that practise, as > part of my own personal boycott of Columbia's insane distribution > policies. > > Kermit's absolutely assinine and arbitrary distribution procedures > (you can download it for free, but you can't get it freely on a CD) > hurt only the end-users. > > Columbia takes delight in advocating the totally arbitrary double > standard that allows (even encourages) commercial ISPs to make money > off peoples' aquisition of Kermit, but not hard-media distributors. > If you don't like the licensing policy, you are not under any obligation to use Kermit. The policy will not change as a result of your rantings. Why don't you find a different product? Isn't that a simpiler solution than wasting time? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 14:45:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA21461 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 14:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 14:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!n1ott.istar!n3ott.istar!istar.net!infoshare!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 May 1996 14:46:13 GMT References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net> Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario Lines: 55 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:119843 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5237 In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>, Norbert E. Kremer wrote: >In article , evan@telly.telly.org says... >Wow, I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, >which would make this why this level of emotion is justified..... >You seem to want it both ways.... you say kermit is legacy-ware, all >these other apps blow it away, etc. Then why are you so upset that it's >not "free" according to your definition. The two sentiments are not contradictory. I maintain that one of the reasons that Kermit development has been stagnant, is because of its distribution policies. Cause and effect. (BTW, there are enough legacy systems around out there to give Kermit a continuing life for some time. I just note that it is not keeping pace with other developments; communications development skills that could have helped Kermit have instead gone into freely-distributable software such as Seyon. And I attribute this, in part, to Columbia's abandonment of the community development model when they went commercial.) >I have used kermit on and off over the years for the purpose at which it >beats everything else that I'm aware of: connecting reliably across >different platforms. Personally, I use kermit only when I have to, there >are other programs (that I have paid for) that I prefer to use when I can. >But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution >policies: I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site. Fine, until you want to give it to someone else. If 'someone else' pays you (ie, they are your client) you are prohibited from giving them Kermit unless Columbia gets a cut. >Seems to me that if they wrote it, they can spread it around in any manner >they choose, even if that is not the same manner that FSF and GPL choose >to do it. And I don't deny that. My comments are not to deny Columbia the ability to do what they please with Kermit, only to point out the hypocricy of these policies and the effect they have had on recruitment efforts for Kermit developers. >If you don't like that policy, you can 1.) not use kermit >2.) write a really "free" compatible program and GPL it. I use Kermit under its guidelines. I find the guidelines illogical and self-defeating and I say so. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504 Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 17:15:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08126 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 17:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA23904 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 17:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!newshub.tc.umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!gold.tc.umn.edu!mill0440 From: mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu (Henry W Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: arp, odi and MSkermit problem Date: 15 May 1996 20:21:23 GMT Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gold.tc.umn.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm having troubles setting up[ over odi drivers, in particular, I cannot arp to my kermit machines running in server mode. (mskermit 3.14, patch 8) What I have is a test network of PCs (testing routers) and I want to use a couple PCs running kermit to generate ip traffic. Kermit itself works, that is I can connect to a PC (running on a packet driver) from the pc runing the odi stuff. but I cannot connect to the odi machine unless I know have the mac address already avaibal. Ie, If I connect to a unix box and then disconnect the unix box will then be able to connect to the pc. but if I try to connect to the pc before connecting fromn the pc, nothing will happen. I intend to be working only between PCs runnign odi stacks, on networks where other hosts may not be avaibal. While I could run a packet driver, that is not an idea solution since these pc will also spend part time running netware client software when we need IPX traffic. currently we have batch programs to load and unload the odi drivers for which ever boards are in the pc (normally more then one, but only one is used at a time) form the net.cfg file, I have Link driver exos int #1 3 port #1 300 (or similer data, depending on teh exact nature of the board, currently I've only worked with ethernet) FRAME Ethernet_II PROTOCOL IP 0800 Ethernet_II PROTOCOL ARP 0806 Ethernet_II PROTOCOL RARP 8035 Ethernet_II According to the readme files this is the correct values (\kermit\networks\setup.doc) I know that IP is itself working coffectly, becuase I can telnet out, is there a error in my setup? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 15 23:11:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA10882 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 23:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA05113 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 15 May 1996 23:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.lightlink.com!usenet From: nedh@lightlink.com (Ned Horning) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connecting a PC and Mac Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 02:46:48 GMT Organization: Consultant Lines: 19 Message-ID: <319a9549.6612888@news.lightlink.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: port70.lightlink.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 I am trying to connect a PC running NT and a Mac IIci with system 7.1 to be able to transfer files between the two systems. I was thinking of using a null modem cable for the connection to keep it simple (I know next to nothing aboout networking) and inexpensive. I would like to know if: 1) Kermit would be a good choice for the software 2) Will Kermit (or any other software) work with this kind of cableing Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on this. Ned -- Ned Horning nedh@lightlink.com -- Ned Horning nedh@lightlink.com From news@columbia.edu Thu May 16 00:25:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17016 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 00:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA07347 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 May 1996 00:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit and PC-NFS Message-ID: <1996May15.092936.80246@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 May 96 09:29:36 MDT References: <3199bce4.846261@gate> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 In article <3199bce4.846261@gate>, skjalg@imr.no (Skjalg Thorbjørnsen) writes: > Hi there, > We have a network with SUN Unix servers and PC's which runs Sun PC-NFS > 5.x TCP/IP. > I received a copy of MS-Kermit 3.00 from a guy who had made some > settings in a Kermit scriptfile. The purpose is to run an application > (SAS) on a remote machine in Denmark through Kermit. He had made some > key-mappings to suit that application. > The problem is that I can't get connected to the remote machine with > Kermit. I've tried different SET PORT ... and all it says is that > Network is unavailable. > Can I get MS-Kermit to run with PC-NFS and use the server in Denmark > (I also tried 3.14 which had more Network support but to no use). > The guy who made the script used 3COM(BAPI) (wtf is this?) as the > network and it worked at his place. > I can of course use PC-NFS buil-in Telnet but I wan't to use the > keyboard setting already set up with Kermit. > Btw We are located behind a firewall, does that cause any problems. ------------ The problem is you already have a TCP/IP stack running; NFS runs over UDP over IP. You can have only one TCP/IP stack running over a single lan adapter in a DOS machine. So far as I am aware Sun (or your NFS vendor) provides no common "terminal-like" interface such as 3COM(BAPI) for that stack, and hence MS-DOS Kermit has no way of using that stack rather than its own internal one. We do mention this in the MSK documentation. Beame and Whiteside make a PC-NFS solution, and MS-DOS Kermit knows how to talk to their TCP/IP stack. That's not the case with Sun's PC-NFS product. The cheap quick safe solution is put a second Ethernet board in the clients, assign a unique IP number to it (not the same as for the first board), then load a Packet Driver or Novell's ODI, and then run MS-DOS Kermit. Boards are cheap these days, if there is a free slot. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 16 06:18:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA01952 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA14961 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 May 1996 06:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!news.nuri.net!news From: dstnsw@dsn31.doosan.co.kr (Millennium) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: My Kermit does not know where my file to send is. Date: 16 May 1996 05:25:15 GMT Organization: DOOSAN Technical Center Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4nee7r$578@cham.nuri.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.248.97.147 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.6 2 Hi, 3 I am trying to send a text file to UNIX(SCO UNIX) from 4 MSDOS or Win95 in noninteractive mode. I have tested 5 the same job with a simple script between MSDOS and LINUX. 6 It was fine. Unix-to-Unix file transfer works fine too. 7 8 1. With Win 95, I tried to run MS-Kermit3.13(1993) from Visual 9 Basic4.0 but this time Kermit does not locate my file to send. 10 I gave another trial under MSDOS environment and result was same. 11 What parameter am I missing ? 12 13 2. I am interested in backgrond process. My question is 14 Can WinKermit or Kermit for Win95 be running noninteractively ? 15 16 Jinki Jung (dstnsw@dsn31.doosan.co.kr) 17 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 16 10:17:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15292 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 10:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA07116 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 May 1996 10:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: My Kermit does not know where my file to send is. Date: 16 May 1996 14:17:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4nfdda$6ua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4nee7r$578@cham.nuri.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4nee7r$578@cham.nuri.net>, Millennium wrote: : 3 I am trying to send a text file to UNIX(SCO UNIX) from : 4 MSDOS or Win95 in noninteractive mode. I have tested : 5 the same job with a simple script between MSDOS and LINUX. : 6 It was fine. Unix-to-Unix file transfer works fine too. : 7 : 8 1. With Win 95, I tried to run MS-Kermit3.13(1993) from Visual : 9 Basic4.0 but this time Kermit does not locate my file to send. : 10 I gave another trial under MSDOS environment and result was same. : 11 What parameter am I missing ? : For Windows 95, you need to use Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : 13 2. I am interested in backgrond process. My question is : 14 Can WinKermit or Kermit for Win95 be running noninteractively ? : Yes, Kermit 95 has a full-blown scripting language built-in. You can use this language to automate just about any task that can be done interactively. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 16 19:30:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA26298 for ; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA19899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 16 May 1996 19:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 16 May 1996 11:26:40 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4ne20o$pqs@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:120075 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5243 Evan Leibovitch (evan@telly.telly.org) wrote: : That you do not object to Columbia exploiting your efforts is very : noble. But that does not reverse the fact that Columbia is generating : revenue, in part, from work you have done. This is exploitation by : most definitions. : How many non-Columbia volunteers have joined the Kermit development : effort in the last two years? There is none of the sense of community : development that existed when the product started, and the credits : section of the Kermit manual went on for pages. I suppose you could count me. In return for the cost of the MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit books, I've received a continually improving product and great support. : Why? The Kermit Project has become a massive self-perpetuating : make-work project; its quasi-commercial initiatives only exist : to help justify ongoing support by Columbia brass, on what is : essentially a mature product that needs no further continuing support. Yes and no... the product is mature, but the functionality continues to improve and the continuing support of new (and old) operating systems is great. If and when NT 3.51 or later gets installed at work, K95 will be the first commercial software to be purchased for the machines running it. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Fri May 17 13:29:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA24093 for ; Fri, 17 May 1996 13:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00050 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 17 May 1996 13:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.sol.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!pier2.bayarea.net!wetware!spunky.RedBrick.COM!nntp.et.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Message-ID: <1996May16.113752.80339@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 May 96 11:37:52 MDT References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:120213 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5244 In article , evan@telly.telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) writes: > In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>, > Norbert E. Kremer wrote: > >>In article , evan@telly.telly.org says... > >>Wow, I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, >>which would make this why this level of emotion is justified..... > My comments are not to deny Columbia the ability to do what they please > with Kermit, only to point out the hypocricy of these policies and the > effect they have had on recruitment efforts for Kermit developers. Evan, The hypocracy is yours. You are purposfully creating a very negative impression without the facts to substantiate it. You know next to nothing about "recruitment efforts for Kermit developers." Spreading FUD again. I told you once before: please stop minding other people's business. After the third or fourth repetition of (mis)advice the affair goes from informative to repetitious to intrusive to abusive, and you are at that threshold. As a business person you can pick up the telephone/fax/email and contact Columbia on terms to distribute Kermit to your customers. Easy as can be; you do that all the time for other products sold by your company. Have you done so? We suspect not. Contrast this to your hot air on NEWS. Joe D. > Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario > Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504 > Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions From news@columbia.edu Sat May 18 14:12:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19215 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 14:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18826 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 May 1996 14:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntphub.cb.att.com!cbgw2.att.com!oucsboss!modem-1-3-14.dialnet.ohiou.edu!undetermined From: "William M. Leal" <73131.3554@compuserve.com> Subject: DEC Codes in Kermit X-Nntp-Posting-Host: modem-1-3-14.dialnet.ohiou.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: Sender: postmaster@modem-1-3-14.dialnet.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Sat May 18 10:23:41 1996 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ohio State University Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 14:23:45 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 16 Sorry in advance if this is a question millions have asked before. I didn't find any info in the FAQ. How can I find out just what codes are generated by, for instance, set key \4434 \KdecFind I need to make some small changes to several of the codes. decFind (and other dec commands) seems to be wired into Kermit; at any rate, I didn't see a table of codes listed out anywhere. I'm using Kermit for DOS, v. 3.13. Thanks. Bill. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 18 14:15:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19535 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 14:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA18896 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 May 1996 14:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!lys.vnet.net!degraaf From: degraaf@lys.vnet.net (degraaf) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit & MS TCP/IP-32, v3.11b Date: 18 May 1996 16:51:10 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. - Charlotte, NC. (704) 374-0779 Lines: 66 Message-ID: <4nkv5u$e7a@ralph.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lys.vnet.net Summary: kermit can run with new MS TCP/IP-32 Keywords: kermit TCP/IP-32 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Kermit _can_ be run over MicroSoft's new TCP/IP-32 ver 3.11b stack, but there's a trick. Short story: You must add NDIS3PKT.386 and you must use two different IP addresses, one for the MS stack, the other for kermit. Long story: I have a samba UNIX server and wanted to use the new MS TCP/IP-32 ver3.11b stack for WindowsforWorkgroups 3.11 and also use kermit to log on directly to UNIX from a client PC. I collected from ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/clients/wfw the files TCP32B.EXE and WFWFILES.EXE, as well as instruction files, INDEX.TXT, UPDATE.TXT, and WFWFILES.TXT. The .EXE files expand into floppy-loads that are used to install this new stack into WfW 3.11 and some new files that are manually copied according to the complete instructions given. This new stack uses NDIS ver 3 to access the Ethernet card, while kermit uses a packet driver. Previously, DIS_PKT9.DOS was interposed between kermit's packet driver and the NDIS module, and WINPKT.COM was used to mediate between Windows and the packet driver. This was clearly documented by Joe Doupnik in DIS_PKT.DOC in the Kermit for DOS package. Unfortunately these NDIS 2 programs don't work any more with the new NDIS 3 stack. Instead, one uses NDIS3PKT.386, written by Daniel D. Lanciani. It is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a packet driver interface on top of NDIS 3. I collected ver 1.2 from pc.usl.edu/pub/packet_drivers - ndis3pkt.386 and ndis3pkt.readme. Installation is very simple: Copy NDIS3PKT.386 file to the system directory, eg C:\WFW\SYSTEM. In system.ini, add to [386Enh] device=ndis3pkt.386 and add a new section [ndis3pkt] netcard0=MS$NE1CLONE where MS$NE1CLONE happens to be the driver name for my network card. Yours may well be different. (It's usually found in the BINDINGS= line of the [NETBEUI] section of protocol.ini) Now comes the trick. You have, during network initialization, specified an IP address for the PC. This is used by the MS stack in its communications with other machines on the network. You must also give kermit an IP address, usually in MSCUSTOM.INI, eg, SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 192.9.100.23 ;(NOT 192.9.100.22) Be SURE this is different from the address given to TCP/IP! When I initially used a single IP address for both, kermit's attempt to open a connection to the UNIX server failed with the message "Connection refused by host". With a different IP address for kermit, connections succeed. Apparently, when packets arrive for both NDIS and the packet driver using the same IP address, bad things happen in the new MS stack. Since NDIS3PKT.386 includes a multiplexor, the same "extra" IP address can be used by several packet driver programs, such as kermit. But you must now use up two addresses for each PC. Thanks, MicroSoft. -- David A. De Graaf degraaf@vnet.net DATIX, Inc. (803) 785-3136 From news@columbia.edu Sat May 18 14:29:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA20837 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 14:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19067 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 May 1996 14:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC Codes in Kermit Date: 18 May 1996 18:29:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4nl4v1$ijo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , William M. Leal <73131.3554@compuserve.com> wrote: : Sorry in advance if this is a question millions have asked : before. I didn't find any info in the FAQ. : : How can I find out just what codes are generated by, for : instance, : : set key \4434 \KdecFind : : I need to make some small changes to several of the codes. : decFind (and other dec commands) seems to be wired into Kermit; : at any rate, I didn't see a table of codes listed out anywhere. : : I'm using Kermit for DOS, v. 3.13. : The codes are listed on pages 290-294 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit", second edition. Of course you can assign any other codes you want, but \KdecFind, etc, send the correct codes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat May 18 15:10:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24624 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 15:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19950 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 May 1996 15:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: My Kermit does not know where my file to send is. Date: 18 May 1996 17:52:34 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4nl2p2$7ud@samba.rahul.net> References: <4nee7r$578@cham.nuri.net> <4nfdda$6ua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] : Millennium wrote: : : 3 I am trying to send a text file to UNIX(SCO UNIX) from : : 4 MSDOS or Win95 in noninteractive mode. I have tested Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : For Windows 95, you need to use Kermit 95: : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Frank, I think "need" is too strong a word here ;-) "would want" is a better substitute. I used MSKermit under Win95 until the Kermit-95 package arrived. I had no problems with serial connections, didn't try cobbling the TCP widgets together, since I knew K-95 would be arriving soon. I did use a modern MSKermit(3.14), though. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 18 20:34:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25748 for ; Sat, 18 May 1996 20:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA26306 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 18 May 1996 20:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta For UNIX, VMS, AOS, and Mac Date: 19 May 1996 00:34:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 437 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4nlqal$plu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit, UNIX, VMS, AOS, Macintosh, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5249 comp.os.vms:127869 comp.os.aos:746 This is to announce a public Beta testing period for C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, and (sort of) the Macintosh, hopefully to be joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The major new features include: . Serial communications: Dialing - A major overhaul of C-Kermit's dialing capalities (see below) Modems - A major overhaul of C-Kermit's modem support (see below) Speeds: more and higher speeds allowed in many versions (e.g. VMS) . TCP/IP: New ability to accept incoming TCP/IP connections (UNIX and VMS only) New SET TCP controls (buffer sizes, "linger", etc) New SET TELNET controls (binary mode, etc) New command-line option "-J " makes C-Kermit work like Telnet . X.25 support updated for SunLink 8.00 and 9.00. . File transfer: REGET (crash recovery, like RESEND, but for downloading from a server) Autodownload (automatic RECEIVE while in CONNECT mode) (VMS and UNIX) Dynamic packet timeouts Lots of useful stuff added to fullscreen file transfer display ADD SEND-LIST (build up a list of files to send) FAST, CAUTIOUS, ROBUST commands (quick selection of transfer settings) SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY (make all downloads go to same place) SET FILE DESTINATION { DISK, PRINTER, SCREEN } as in MS-DOS Kermit SET PRINTER (file, device, or pipe) Text-file record format selection In UNIX, built-in support for external protocols (ZMODEM, etc) . Client/server: SET SERVER LOGIN (for incoming connections) Redirection of REMOTE commands (to file, printer, or pipe) SET SERVER GET-PATH (search path for GET requests) New REMOTE commands: RENAME, COPY . Script programming: Local (automatic) variables for macros New C-like commaless, dashless syntax for script programs New SWITCH statement like in C SET/IF/SHOW ALARM as in MS-DOS Kermit PAUSE, SLEEP, WAIT, INPUT, SET ALARM also accept hh:mm:ss as in MS Kermit Many new variables and functions, listed below Long variable names now can be used with READ, ASK, etc SET INPUT BUFFER-LENGTH allows you to make the INPUT buffer any size Braces allowed for grouping in function arguments Automatic evaluation of arithmetic expressions in many contexts . General: Ability to become a fully transparent 8-bit link between 2 end systems Improved context-sensitive "?" keyword and file menus "More?" prompting for most menus, HELP, and SHOW text More and better messages Default prompt now shows current directory NOPUSH available at runtime to disable escape to system Many new file management commands, e.g. MKDIR, RMDIR Improved speed & responsiveness on many System V based UNIXes DYNAMIC PACKET TIMEOUTS In previous versions of C-Kermit, packet timeouts were fixed at some constant value, like 10 seconds. This could be changed by the user, but it still remained fixed throughout the file transfer. This had two unfortunate consequences: 1. It the timeout was too short the file transfer would always fail. 2. If it was too long, error recovery was slow. Situation (1) was surprisingly common. For example, if you dialed in with a slow modem (say, 1200 bps) and tried to transfer a file using long packets (say, 2400 bytes), then 2400 / 120 = 20 seconds would be needed for each packet. If C-Kermit *knew* the speed was 1200, it would take this into account, but often it would have no way to know, e.g. if you were going through a terminal server, in which case the system sets some default value for your speed, like 19200 or 38400, and Kermit never knows the real speed. The new method, which is used unless you specify otherwise, calculates timeouts on a per-packet basis, based on the observed round-trip time (the time from when a packet is sent until its acknowledgement is received). This lets Kermit adjust automatically to prevailing conditions -- slow connections, fast connections, bursty connections -- even if they are always changing. Acknowledgments to Tim Kientzle for demonstrating how simply this can be done (but of course there are always a few extra wrinkles in practice :-) INCOMING TCP/IP CONNECTIONS This is just a first step, and is so far available only in the UNIX and VMS versions, and then only in certain of them (the ones with a sockets library AND that have the select() function available). The idea is that you can tell C-Kermit to wait for an incoming TCP/IP connection on a socket of your choice. What you do with it after the connection comes in is up to you. It can be put into server mode; it can run some kind of script (like a "host mode" script); you can even go into CONNECT mode and have a "chat" session. If you put it into server mode, you can also specify a username and password that must be supplied by the client before the server will honor any other requests, and you can also set up all sorts of restrictions on what the client can do. This gives ordinary users the ability to set up relatively secure and private file transfers with anybody else on the Internet, without any special privilege, without the need to create user IDs, without requiring access to directories they do not own, etc. Later on, perhaps even during this Beta period (time permitting), we'll be expanding this to provide a kind of generic "Kermit service" on the Internet, similar to FTP service, the details of which remain to be worked out. DIALING The biggest change in version 6.0 is in areas of modems and dialing. In version 6.0, C-Kermit supports: . Automatic repeated dialing (no scripts required) . Multistage dialing . Credit-card dialing . Dialing pagers . Incoming modem calls (ANSWER command) But the biggest change is in the dialing directory and in C-Kermit's understanding of telephone numbers. The version 5A dialing directory couldn't have been simpler -- a single file that Kermit searched for a name and, if found, replaced it with the associated phone number and dialed it, literally, exactly as found. Version 6.0 supports multiple simultaneous dialing directories, multiple (thousands, even) entries under the same name (so, for example, if the first number is busy, Kermit immediately goes on to the second number, etc), and most of all, a thorough understanding of dialing procedures: country codes, area codes, toll-free calling, calling cards, PBXs, and lots more. This new knowledge about telephone numbers, in turn, allows "cheapest-first" dialing when multiple numbers are fetched from the dialing directory, and it allows dialing directories to be "portable" -- that is, the same entry can be dialed from anywhere -- local, long-distance, international, etc. Old-format directories are converted to new format automatically (if you approve, of course). MODEMS "Render unto dialing the things of dialing, and render unto modems the things of modems..." The concepts of "dialing" and "modems", which had been mushed together in previous C-Kermit versions, are now nicely separated. Dialing related parameters (such as country codes, are codes, repeat dialing, pulse vs tone dialing, etc) are controlled by SET DIAL commands, and modem-related items (like error correction, data compression, speed buffering, flow control, and other modem configuration parameters) are controlled by SET MODEM commands. Every aspect of modem operation can be customized, and new modem types can be added easily. Furthermore, a lot of settings that used to have to be done by hand are now done automatically according to the built-in modem database when you choose a modem type. And modem configurations (e.g. with respect to EC, DC, flow-control, etc) follow the Kermit settings automatically. Modems supported in version 6.0 include: AT&T Dataport AT&T Digital Terminal Data Module AT&T ISN Network AT&T switched-network modems Boca modems CCITT / ITU-T V.25bis (old) Cermetek Info-Mate 212 A (old) Condor CDS 220 2400b (old) DEC DF03-AC (old) DEC DF100-series (old) DEC DF200-series Digitel DT-22 CCITT variant Gateway 2000 Telepath (old) GeneralDataComm 212A/ED Hayes 1200, 2400, and compatible modems Hayes Accura, Optima, and Ultra IBM Mwave Intel Fastalk and Lifestyle MaxTech modems Microcom DeskPorte FAST ES 28.8 Microcom modems in native SX mode Motorola FasTalk II or Lifestyle Multitech modems (old) Penril modems Practical Peripherals modems Racal Vadic VA4492E Rockwell V.32 Rockwell V.32bis Rockwell V.34 Data/Fax Rolm 8000, 9000, 9751 CBX DCM Supra modems Telebit modems, all models USR Courier and Sportster (old) Ven-Tel modems Zoltrix modems Zoom modems ZyXEL modems (If you want support added for additional modems, be prepared to furnish a copy of the manual or command summary by email, fax, or post.) "Telebit Unification" has taken place, and now Telebits are treated like any other modem, divided roughly into two categories, "telebit" (recent models) and "old-telebit" (old models like the TrailBlazer). Any model-specific variations can be handled easily using SET MODEM commands. In general, C-Kermit is now much more attuned to the world of high-speed modems, much easier to use with them, and much easier for users to tune. SCRIPT PROGRAMMING C-Kermit's script programming features have been considerably expanded and simplified. The script programming language is now: . More powerful (it has more features) . More structured (a kind of block structure has been added) . Easier to use (syntax is simplified) . Easier to debug (line numbers are displayed in error messages) . More compatible with MS-DOS Kermit To illustrate, is a script program to print the day of the week in German (or something like it): switch \v(nday) { :0, echo Sonntag, break :1, echo Montag, break :2, echo Dienstag und zunaechst kommt... :3, echo Mittwoch, break :4, echo Donnerstag, break :5, echo Freitag - Gott sei dank, break :6, echo Samstag, break :default, echo Invalid day - \v(nday)! } Note the new SWITCH statement, the block structure (accomplished by braces), and the absence of those confusing ",-" constructions at the end of each line. New Built-In Variables: \v(charset) (local character set) \v(connection) (type of connection - serial, tcp/ip, etc) \v(cps) (speed of most recent file transfer, chars per sec) \v(d$xxx) (various SET DIAL values) \v(dialstatus) (numeric code for DIAL result) \v(dialresult) (literal string returned by modem after dialing) \v(download) (download directory) \v(errno) (value of the "errno" variable) \v(errstring) (error message, if any, associated with errno) \v(evaluate) (result of most recent EVALUATE command) \v(ftype) (current FILE TYPE setting, e.g. "text" or "binary") \v(instatus) (detailed result of the most recent INPUT command) \v(minput) (tells which MINPUT search string was matched) \v(modem) (current modem type) \v(m_xxx) (various SET MODEM COMMAND values) \v(newline) (newline character or sequence appropriate to the OS) \v(packetlen) (current RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH value) \v(parity) (current PARITY setting) \v(protocol) ("kermit") \v(rows) (number of rows (lines) on your screen, if known) \v(cols) (number of columns on your screen, if known) \v(terminal) (terminal type, if known) \v(tmpdir) (directory for creating temporary files) \v(query) (result of most recent REMOTE QUERY command) \v(sysid) (Kermit protocol system/OS code) \v(window) (current SET WINDOW size) \v(xversion) (product-specific C-Kermit version number, if any) \v(_line) (current line number in current command file) New Built-In Functions: \Fbreak(s,c) (substring of string s up to first occurence of char c) \Fcapitalize(s) (string s capitalized) \Fdate(file) (creation or modification date of file) \Fhexify(s) (hexadecimal representation of string s) \Fipaddr(s,n) (first IP address in s starting at position n) \Fltrim(s1,s2) (trim all chars that are in s2 from left of s1) \Fmodulus(n1,n2) (n1 mod n2) \Freplace(s1,s2,s3) (replaces all occurrences of s2 in s1 with s3) \Frindex(s1,s2,n) (rightmost occurrence of s1 in s2) \Fsize(file) (size, in bytes, of file) \Fspan(s1,s2) (left substring of s1 with only characters from s2) \Ftod2secs(hh:mm:ss) (convert hh:mm:ss to seconds since midnight) \Ftrim(s1,s2) (trim all chars that are in s2 from right of s1) \Funhexify(string) (opposite of \fhexify()) \Fverify(s1,s2,n) (position of the first char in s2 not also in s1) DOCUMENTATION The new features of C-Kermit 6.0.192 (and in fact, all the features that have been added since version 5A(188)) are documented in the ckcker.upd file. Use this file as a supplement to "Using C-Kermit". The new modem and dialing features are documented in their own files, modems.doc and dialing.doc. Hints and tips, FAQs, etc, applying to C-Kermit as a whole can be found in the ckcker.bwr file, and to each particular version of C-Kermit in the ck*ker.bwr files (* = u for UNIX, v for VMS, etc). Installation instructions are in ck*ins.doc (* = u, v, etc). All the other online files (man pages, etc) have also been updated. THE MACINTOSH VERSION Owing to the chronic lack of Macintosh programmers, the Macintosh version is still badly neglected (volunteers are always welcome :-). However: . It has been rebuilt on the C-Kermit 6.0 code base, even though all of the new features might not be fully integrated; and: . It now uses the Communications Tool Box, which should eliminate a lot of bombs, as well as allow the use of certain devices, such as internal modems, that could not be used before. TESTED ON... Apple Macintosh with Mac OS 6.03. DEC Alpha, OpenVMS 6.2 with and without TGV MultiNet. DEC VAXstation 3100 VAX/VMS 5.5-1 with and without UCX. DEC VAX 4000 VMS 5.5-2 + TGV MultiNet. Data General MV 2500/DC AOS/VS II 2.20.00.39 + TCP/IP. AT&T 3B2 with System V R2.1 AT&T UNIX PC 7300 System V R3.51 DEC 5800 with Ultrix 4.3. DEC Alpha with OSF/1 3.0 DEC Alpha with Digital UNIX 3.2 HP 9000, various models, with HP-UX versions from 7.05 to 10.01. HP 9000 with BSD 4.4-Lite. IBM Power Power Series 400 AIX 4.1. IBM RS/6000 with AIX 3.1.5 and 3.2.5. NCR System 3000, System V R4.2. NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1. PCs with BSDI 1.0-C and 2.1. PCs with Linux, various versions. PCs with QNX 4.22. PCs with SCO UNIX 3.2v4 (= ODT 3.0). PCs with SCO Open Server R5.0. PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11. SGI Indigo with IRIX 5.3. Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1. Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4 and 2.5, SPARC, with gcc and with SunPro CC. Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4 with SunLink X.25 9.00. and... (would you believe): A DEC MicroVAX-II with Bell Labs Research UNIX 10th edition. Building and testing is still needed on platforms not listed above (as well as on the ones that are listed :-) WHERE TO GET IT Quick access for Web users: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Follow the "What's New" link (reload if necessary). The new test version is available via anonymous ftp from: kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/test directory tree: kermit/test/text Contains individual source files, documentation files, makefiles, etc ftp in text mode. The general formula for getting all the files you need for a particular version is: text prompt mget ck[cuw]*.[cwh] ck?*.* (where ? = v for VMS, m for Macintosh, etc) kermit/test/macintosh The macintosh binary as a BinHex 4.0 file, ckmker.hqx, plus accompanying documentation files, such as they are. ftp in text mode. kermit/test/tar The complete UNIX sources, makefile, and documentation files as compressed tar archives: cku192.tar.Z (uncompress) and cku192.tar.gz (gunzip) kermit/test/bin Individual binaries, all of them used to transfer themselves (in binary mode, of course :-) ftp in binary mode: Filename Build procedure Built on ckdker.pr ckdmak.cli DG MV 2500 AOS/VS-II 2.20.73 with TCP/IP ckmker.hqx MPW / ckmker.mak Macintosh IIx Mac OS 6.03 ckuker.bsdi make bsdi Intel PC, BSDI 1.0-C ckuker.dec-osf32 make dec-osf32 DEC Alpha, Digital UNIX 3.2 ckuker.du42c make du42c DECstation MIPS, Ultrix 4.3 ckuker.hpux80c make hpux80c HP 9000/385, HP-UX 8.00 ckuker.hpux90o700 make hpux90o700 HP 9000/7.12, HP-UX 9.05 ckuker.irix51 make irix51 SGI Indigo, IRIX 5.3 ckuker.next.68000 make next NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1 ckuker.qnx16 make qnx16 PC, QNX 4.22, 16-bit ckuker.qnx32 make qnx32 PC, QNX 4.22, 32-bit ckuker.rs6aix41 make rs6aix41 IBM Power Series 400, AIX 4.1 ckuker.sco32v5net make sco32v5net PC, SCO Open Server R5.0 ckuker.solaris2x make solaris2x SPARC, Solaris 2.4 ckuker.solaris2x25 make solaris2x25 SPARC, Solaris 2.4 + SunLink X.25 9.00 ckuker.sunos41c make sunos41c SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1 ckuker.unixwarenetc make unixwarenetc PC, UnixWare 2.03 ckvaker.exe ckvker.mak DEC Alpha OpenVMS 6.2 (no TCP/IP) ckvatvg.exe ckvker.mak DEC Alpha OpenVMS 6.2 + TGV MultiNet ckvvker.exe ckvker.mak DEC VAX/VMS 5.5-1 (no TCP/IP) ckvvtgv.exe ckvker.mak DEC VAX/VMS 5.5-2H4 + TGV MultiNet ckvvucx.exe ckvker.mak DEC VAX/VMS 5.5-1 + DEC TCP/IP Reports of all kinds -- good, bad -- are most welcome; please send them straight to: kermit@columbia.edu Bad ones tend to come anyway, but if you test this version of Kermit and it's OK, please let us know about that too. Please be specific about your hardware platform, operating system and version, etc. If anybody wants to furnish binaries for this Beta version that are not already present -- e.g. for DG/UX, VMS with other TCP/IP products, etc, please send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks to all the people too numerous to name for their help with system access, code, bug reports, fixes, suggestions, and encouragement -- and especially to Jeff Altman. Watch the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup for further announcements. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone Managers, The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Sun May 19 01:57:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA21852 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 01:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA02453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 19 May 1996 01:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!miwok!gorilla!holmes From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) Subject: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 01:24:32 GMT Lines: 36 I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box. Not having any luck. There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2. The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup. If I exit dvx, I can ping the Linux box ok. I tried the following setup: set port tcp set tcp pack odi set tcp add 150.0.0.2 set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 set port tcp 150.0.0.1 connect I get "cannot access IP packets". So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000). It seemed to initialize OK, then when I do: set por tcp set tcp add 150.0.0.2 set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 set port tcp 150.0.0.1 connect I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Tim Holmes holmes@gorilla.nbn.com From news@columbia.edu Sun May 19 16:17:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12452 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06752 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta For UNIX, VMS, AOS, and Mac Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Distribution: inet Date: Sun, 19 May 1996 19:29:05 GMT Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: edison.encore.com References: <4nlqal$plu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Keywords: Kermit, UNIX, VMS, AOS, Macintosh, C-Kermit Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet News) Lines: 10 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5251 comp.os.vms:127899 comp.os.aos:748 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11. No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released. -- -- Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Sun May 19 16:19:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA12690 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06790 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 19 May 1996 16:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta For UNIX, VMS, AOS, and Mac Date: 19 May 1996 20:19:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4nnvos$6k3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4nlqal$plu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit, UNIX, VMS, AOS, Macintosh, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5252 comp.os.vms:127900 comp.os.aos:749 In article , Thanh Ma wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11. : No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released. : Nevertheless, C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.025 has been built and tested there :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun May 19 19:19:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29751 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA10048 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 19 May 1996 19:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!en.com!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: 19 May 1996 17:58:39 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 55 Message-ID: <4no92v$17l@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:120645 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5253 In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>, Norbert E. Kremer wrote: >In article , evan@telly.telly.org says... >> >Wow, I am sure I am missing something in the history of this discussion, >which would make this why this level of emotion is justified..... Yes, kermit had a long and noble history of being developed by vast numbers of contributors. In those days, the distribution documentation contained some rather strong wording about how kermit software would 'always remain free'. Unsurprisingly, this document has disappeared from current releases. At least they do still retain credits to the contributors in the source. >You seem to want it both ways.... you say kermit is legacy-ware, all >these other apps blow it away, etc. Then why are you so upset that it's >not "free" according to your definition. It's not free for anyone who is likely to need it. >I have used kermit on and off over the years for the purpose at which it >beats everything else that I'm aware of: connecting reliably across >different platforms. Personally, I use kermit only when I have to, there >are other programs (that I have paid for) that I prefer to use when I can. Yes, thanks to the efforts of many volunteers over the years it is available and reliable on many platforms. That is it's real value. >But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution >policies: I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site. If you can use ftp, you probably don't really need kermit to transfer files, do you? The people who need it are the ones who have a modem and a CD distribution of Linux. Or a PC and a modem and a local BBS that carries copies of popular free software. >Seems to me that if they wrote it, they can spread it around in any manner >they choose, even if that is not the same manner that FSF and GPL choose >to do it. In the case of the Dos and Win95 versions, I'd say that is reasonable. In the case of the unix version, I think it would not be too much to ask for them to obtain the permission of all the contributors who thought they were contributing to a freely redistributable product before changing their policy. >If you don't like that policy, you can 1.) not use kermit >2.) write a really "free" compatible program and GPL it. Basically, (1) has pretty much already happened. Some other university developed something called tcp/ip and they don't seem to mind how people use it or distribute it. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun May 19 20:12:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA04902 for ; Sun, 19 May 1996 20:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA11031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 19 May 1996 20:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: 20 May 1996 00:12:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: <4noddj$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net> <4no92v$17l@Mercury.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:120648 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5254 In article <4no92v$17l@Mercury.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: : It's not free for anyone who is likely to need it. : I'm sure that millions of people would disagree with you. The Kermit archive has up to 10,000 ftp accesses a day. Maybe a half million to a million a year. And it's been like this for many years. Often, a single ftp access results in thousands of people getting the software; for example at a university, and then using it in the situations where they do not have ftp or telnet. : If you can use ftp, you probably don't really need kermit to transfer : files, do you? : Then why do so many people use ftp to get Kermit software? : The people who need it are the ones who have a modem and a CD distribution : of Linux. Or a PC and a modem and a local BBS that carries copies of : popular free software. : Exactly, and there's the rub. The people who complain about our policies in this regard obviously do not understand them. In order for a company (such as CD-ROM seller, or a BBS maker) to distribute our softare to its customers, it must obtain written permission. How does it do that? It contacts us and asks for it. Then we discuss the situation and usually come to a *mutually beneficial* agreement. This is the norm, and it works. Those who complain about our copyright notices and restrictions on redistribution are generally those who never opened up any lines of communication. : In the case of the unix version, I think it would not be too much to : ask for them to obtain the permission of all the contributors who : thought they were contributing to a freely redistributable product : before changing their policy. : Anybody who wants the UNIX version for themselves can ftp it from us. Nobody's trust has been violated. The hot spot seems to be centered on the Linux packagers. These people make and sell CDROMs for money. If they want to include C-Kermit on their CDROMs, they have to come to a *mutually beneficial* arrangement with us. How many of them do you think have even gone so far as to ask us about it? On the other hand, if they don't want to include Kermit, then why the fuss? I don't think anybody has cause for complaint. Kermit software has served millions for free for more than fifteen years. The only people to whom it is not free (Kermit 95 aside, and aside from those who order Kermit from us on physical media) are those who themselves make money or otherwise gain commercial advantage from it *as a commodity*. If they make money from our work, so should we. Unlike many other similar projects that have come and gone, we're still here to stand behind our software and protocol, and to support, maintain, and develop it. People, companies, laboratories, agencies all over the world depend on us for that. If you don't agree that this is a good thing, set up your own communications software development and support operation and run it any way you like. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 20 03:17:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA11438 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 03:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19082 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 May 1996 03:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!n3ott.istar!istar.net!infoshare!whome!telly!evan From: evan@telly.org (Evan Leibovitch) Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 05:06:49 GMT References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net> <4no92v$17l@Mercury.mcs.com> <4noddj$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Sound Software Ltd., Brampton, Ontario Lines: 60 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:120702 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5255 In article <4noddj$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Exactly, and there's the rub. The people who complain about our policies in >this regard obviously do not understand them. In order for a company (such >as CD-ROM seller, or a BBS maker) to distribute our softare to its >customers, it must obtain written permission. How does it do that? It >contacts us and asks for it. Then we discuss the situation and usually come >to a *mutually beneficial* agreement. This is the norm, and it works. This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to *you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence. The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold. I thought it was a good compromise between users who wanted a CD-ROM distribution, and Columbia which wanted a share of profits from commercial distribution. >Those who complain about our copyright notices and restrictions on >redistribution are generally those who never opened up any lines of >communication. I also have a copy of your reply, Frank. You took three months to answer me, dismissing the idea and blowing it off. It never even got to the stage of "how much royalties?" So much for lines of communication. Your statement above about "those who complain" is provably false. Pray tell, if I *do* write to Columbia to find out under what terms you'll let me re-distribute Kermit, and you won't even discuss it, exactly which part of the distribution policy don't I understand? If I can't use it for free, and you won't let me license it, what are the other options? >Anybody who wants the UNIX version for themselves can ftp it from us. >Nobody's trust has been violated. The hot spot seems to be centered on the >Linux packagers. These people make and sell CDROMs for money. If they want >to include C-Kermit on their CDROMs, they have to come to a *mutually >beneficial* arrangement with us. It's been tried in good faith and rejected. See above. >How many of them do you think have even gone so far as to ask us about it? I don't know about anyone else. I know that I personally attempted to fill a void in a manner that would have resulted in revenue to Columbia, and you personally turned it down. What do you want, begging? PS: My offer to do the CD is still open. -- Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario Caldera Business Partner / SCO Authorized VAR / evan@telly.org / (905) 452-0504 Economists have successfully predicted 14 of the last 2 recessions From news@columbia.edu Mon May 20 11:09:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA04330 for ; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16576 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 20 May 1996 11:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Date: 20 May 1996 15:09:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4nq1um$g5p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4no92v$17l@Mercury.mcs.com> <4noddj$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:120779 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5256 In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: : : This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to : *you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company : producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence. : The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold. : ... : I also have a copy of your reply, Frank. You took three months to : answer me, dismissing the idea and blowing it off. : Thanks for the reminder, Evan. I looked it up, and sure enough we had some correspondence about this. If you want to classify as "blowing it off" the fact that we were working 80-100 hours per week on getting the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and C-Kermit 5A(190) releases out and therefore did not have time to address the issue at the moment -- which is what I told you in my response -- then I guess I blew it off. The problem with your request was that it was not routine; you were basically asking us (as you are now) to change our business model. If we had the luxury of trying a new business model, failing, trying another one, again and again, and had no other demands on our time, this might be fun. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 21 10:24:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04761 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05859 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 May 1996 10:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!n3ott.istar!istar.net!n1ott.istar!uniserve!van-bc!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail Date: 21 May 1996 08:37:33 GMT From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) Sender: heinkel@xnet.com (Abram Rutman) Message-ID: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4nrkm7$mcm@flood.xnet.com> Control: cancel <4nrkm7$mcm@flood.xnet.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-Cancelled-by: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca X-No-Archive: Yes Lines: 2 THINNINGHAIR spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Original Subject: HAIR LOSS?....MINOXIDIL USERS? From news@columbia.edu Tue May 21 11:23:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA13774 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07307 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 May 1996 11:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.inc.net!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet From: triocomp@dial.pipex.com (Chris Raper) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Does C-Kermit 5.0 have an inherrant Xon/Xoff problem? Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 11:42:59 GMT Organization: Trio Computing Ltd Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31a1a81b.14168617@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ai057.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 I have C-Kermit 5.0 running under SCO UNIX 3.2.4.2 on a standard Pentium machine. The port/modems are running at 19200 baud with a modem connection speed of 28800. When I dial another machine, log in and list something to the screen we sometimes experience Xon/Xoff-type drop out. :-\ We have checked the wiring and modem connection by connecting directly (without C-kermit between anything) and it works fine. I have checked that the modem is set for Xon/Xoff and that the remote machine's port is Xon/Xoff. Kermit's flow-control has been set to XON/XOFF and its handshake is left as its default (none) - any other setting seems to either make no difference or cause other problems. I would be very grateful if someone who has experience of this sort of thing could give me some clues. Thanks in advance Chris R. -- All views are my own and are not necessarily those of my employer. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 21 14:23:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA07396 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11024 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!caen!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arp, odi and MSkermit problem Message-ID: <1996May20.100936.80520@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 May 96 10:09:36 MDT References: <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 In article <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu (Henry W Miller) writes: > I'm having troubles setting up[ over odi drivers, in particular, I cannot > arp to my kermit machines running in server mode. (mskermit 3.14, patch 8) Henry, could you have another try at this report? I am having much difficulty following along ("pc" is overloaded). MSK does run fine over ODI, and your fragmentary NET.CFG file has the right stuff (tm). Please do watch out for IRQ 3 because it's used by COM2, but you knew that already. Also please keep in mind two other factors which may influence things here. One is there is a bug in MSK 3.14 such that comms between boards made by the same vendor may not work (it's echo suppression from NDIS drivers that has the bug which drops packet having the same three leading bytes of MAC address as the local machine). The other is some versions of Linux have real ARP problems. I don't run Linux so I have no details to help. Somehow I don't think problem #1 is active here, but you can tell us more. Please contact me directly at jrd@cc.usu.edu and we will try to sort out the difficulty. Thanks, Joe D. > What I have is a test network of PCs (testing routers) and I want to use a > couple PCs running kermit to generate ip traffic. Kermit itself works, that is > I can connect to a PC (running on a packet driver) from the pc runing the odi > stuff. but I cannot connect to the odi machine unless I know have the mac > address already avaibal. Ie, If I connect to a unix box and then disconnect > the unix box will then be able to connect to the pc. but if I try to connect > to the pc before connecting fromn the pc, nothing will happen. I intend to be > working only between PCs runnign odi stacks, on networks where other hosts may > not be avaibal. > > While I could run a packet driver, that is not an idea solution since these pc > will also spend part time running netware client software when we need IPX > traffic. currently we have batch programs to load and unload the odi drivers > for which ever boards are in the pc (normally more then one, but only one is > used at a time) > > form the net.cfg file, I have > > Link driver exos > int #1 3 > port #1 300 > (or similer data, depending on teh exact nature of the board, currently > I've only worked with ethernet) > FRAME Ethernet_II > PROTOCOL IP 0800 Ethernet_II > PROTOCOL ARP 0806 Ethernet_II > PROTOCOL RARP 8035 Ethernet_II > > > According to the readme files this is the correct values > (\kermit\networks\setup.doc) I know that IP is itself working coffectly, > becuase I can telnet out, is there a error in my setup? > From news@columbia.edu Tue May 21 14:33:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08980 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11207 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 May 1996 14:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: Does C-Kermit 5.0 have an inherrant Xon/Xoff problem? Date: 21 May 1996 18:32:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Message-ID: <4nt285$au0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31a1a81b.14168617@news.dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31a1a81b.14168617@news.dial.pipex.com>, Chris Raper wrote: : I have C-Kermit 5.0... : You mean 6.0? : ... running under SCO UNIX 3.2.4.2 on a standard Pentium machine. : : The port/modems are running at 19200 baud with a modem connection : speed of 28800. : So why not run the port at 38400 or higher? : When I dial another machine, log in and list something : to the screen we sometimes experience Xon/Xoff-type drop out. :-\ : What exactly do you mean by drop out? Lost chunks of data? Deadlocks? : We have checked the wiring and modem connection by connecting directly : (without C-kermit between anything) and it works fine. I have checked : that the modem is set for Xon/Xoff... : You mean for LOCAL Xon/Xoff? With or without passthrough? : and that the remote machine's port : is Xon/Xoff. : And what about the remote modem? : Kermit's flow-control has been set to XON/XOFF and its : handshake is left as its default (none) - any other setting seems to : either make no difference or cause other problems. : : I would be very grateful if someone who has experience of this sort of : thing could give me some clues. : Yes, please, anybody with direct experience on SCO 3.2v4.2 please pipe up. But to answer in a general way... First, why not use RTS/CTS? C-Kermit does support it on SCO 3.2v4.2, and you should always use RTS/CTS if it's available, rather than Xon/Xoff. Flow control is done by the device driver, not by Kermit. You tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff" (or whatever) and Kermit tells the device driver. If it does not seem to be working satisfactorily, then: . The device driver is buggy (it happens). . The modem is buggy (it happens). . You're using a version of C-Kermit that was not built for precisely your platform / OS / version / configuration. APIs are likely to change from OS version to the next. . Kermit is using the wrong API or using the right one incorrectly (not likely, otherwise we've had heard about it by now, but not out of the question either). . There is a mismatch between the flow control that Kermit is using and the type of flow control being used by the device it is connected to. . It is working as well as it can work, but Xon/Xoff is at best an imperfect means of flow control, as the flow control signals themselves are in-line data, themselves subject to flow control and to corruption, as well as delays and misinterpration. The general guideline is: set the interface speed higher (at least two to four times as high) than the modem modulation speed, and use RTS/CTS flow control if it is available. Use Xon/Xoff only as a last resort. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 21 15:27:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15985 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12418 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 May 1996 15:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!citicorp.com!martinpc From: kevin.martin@citicorp.com (Kevin Martin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 init for use with DEC's EDT Date: Tue, 21 May 96 14:22:51 GMT Organization: Citicorp FSA - Standard Disclaimer! Lines: 52 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4nsjn7$k53@spruce.citicorp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: martinpc.cfs.citicorp.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 This may be coals to Newcastle, but I finally got K95 to work with the EDT keypad (actually EVE/TPU emulating EDT), and thought I'd share. Took me a whopping ten minutes to collect all the keycodes.... I'm using the online help rather than the manual, and couldn't figure out how to invoke "keymaps," which I'm sure is the way Frank would prefer that we do this. :-) Anyway, for those keys where NumLock makes a difference, I just define the key *twice.* NumLock is now my GOLD (PF1) key; end of problems. Hope this is of some use. ; begin KM95CUS~M.INI echo Executing \v(cmdfile) for \v(system)... set term byte 8 ; makes EVE much happier! Thanks, Frank set term keypad application set key \4496 \Kgold set key \4463 \Kpf2 set key \362 \Kpf3 set key \365 \Kpf4 set key \292 \Kkp7 set key \359 \Kkp7 set key \294 \Kkp8 set key \360 \Kkp8 set key \289 \Kkp9 set key \361 \Kkp9 set key \363 \Kkpcoma set key \4365 \Kkpenter set key \293 \Kkp4 set key \356 \Kkp4 set key \268 \Kkp5 set key \357 \Kkp5 set key \295 \Kkp6 set key \358 \Kkp6 set key \291 \Kkp1 set key \353 \Kkp1 set key \296 \Kkp2 set key \354 \Kkp2 set key \290 \Kkp3 set key \355 \Kkp3 set key \352 \Kkp0 set key \301 \Kkp0 set key \366 \Kkpdot set key \302 \Kkpdot end ; of K95CUS~M.INI -- Kevin.Martin@citicorp.com I do not speak for Citibank/Citicorp. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 21 18:15:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08416 for ; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16187 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 21 May 1996 18:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was: Caldera's WordPerfect) Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 21 May 1996 19:41:13 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4nt68p$3nf@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4lqr4e$55g@netnews.upenn.edu> <4n51of$6sj@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net> <4no92v$17l@Mercury.mcs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:121053 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5261 Leslie Mikesell (les@MCS.COM) wrote: : In article <4nb0e3$bb1@news.htp.net>, : Norbert E. Kremer wrote: [snip] :>But it has never once occurred to me to complain about kermit's distribution :>policies: I just don't find it a big bother to grab it off of their ftp site. : If you can use ftp, you probably don't really need kermit to transfer : files, do you? The people who need it are the ones who have a modem : and a CD distribution of Linux. Or a PC and a modem and a local BBS : that carries copies of popular free software. That is not the whole story. I have ftp via a direct internet connection, and amongst other things I use it to quickly d/l ckermit, put it on a floppy in my office and carry it home where I use it to go online, rather than d/l with a 9.6 kB modem forever. Some people use ckermit as telnet frontend or replacement even for netwok connections since a) its vt{You name it} emulation blows others out of the water b) it is nice to have the same interface over dial up and direct network c) it can be scripted to make even ftp sort of automagic d) it provides nice cut-and-paste features and scroll back buffers and the like, and speed, which beats the ones of IBMs telnet version for OS/2 Warp Connect (that's what I use on PCs). People with a modem and Linux and all could as well use some SLIP/PPP connection and the built-in telnet/ftp clients, in an X-term even (to get, say, Tektronix), and use z-modem for d/l. No _need_, just desire for C-Kermit when using Linux (or anything for that matter). My modem came with some -- at most: crappy -- terminal emulation software which I could use. My OS came with a slightly more usable terminal emulator which I could use. But I want a _good_ emulator, not a GUI wiz-bang thing that chokes on plain vt100. So, I want c-kermit. And bought the book. And am prepared to pay for it if the price is reasonable. If software is good and free, that's fine. If it is good and not free I'll buy it if I need and can afford it. It's as simple as buying a burger. I see the potential problem with contributions from third parties to c-kermit, and I'd expect the Kermit people will have an answer for that. Maybe by running the whole thing as self-supporting, non-profit project or some such. But that is up to them and, I suppose, their law department. I, for one, don't mind sending in bug reports and ideas and do not even consider this contributing. The options would be to send in stuff to some software giant who never fixes anything or tells you to upgrade to version n+1 instead ... Kind regards. Stefan ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 09:10:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19916 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27249 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta For UNIX, VMS, AOS, and Mac Message-ID: <1996May20.080157.80505@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 May 96 08:01:57 MDT References: <4nlqal$plu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5263 comp.os.vms:128104 comp.os.aos:751 In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > > >> PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11. > > No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released. > -- -------- As the sign says, no big deal. That's UnixWare version 2.10 in reality, and it's my machine upon which the latest CKermit was built. CK runs just fine on it, thankyouverymuch. What is difficult to find from the outside is the minor-minor version digit, the "0" above, since uname provides only "2.1" rather than "2.1" You almost have to have the SCO CD-ROM in front of you to know the final digit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 09:10:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19926 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27250 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! Message-ID: <1996May20.080819.80506@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 May 96 08:08:19 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 In article , holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes: > I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off > the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box. Not having > any luck. > > There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2. > The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup. If I exit dvx, I can > ping the Linux box ok. I tried the following setup: > > set port tcp > set tcp pack odi > set tcp add 150.0.0.2 > set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 > set port tcp 150.0.0.1 > connect > > I get "cannot access IP packets". Most likely because your net.cfg file is improperly constructed or there is another TCP/IP stack using the board. Please see the MSK distribution docs for example net.cfg files. Unload that other stack so Kermit can get at the board. Joe D. > > So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000). It seemed to initialize OK, > then when I do: > > set por tcp > set tcp add 150.0.0.2 > set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 > set port tcp 150.0.0.1 > connect > > I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1. > > What am I doing wrong? > > Thanks, > > Tim Holmes > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com > From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 09:10:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19911 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:10:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 09:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!swsbe6.switch.ch!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!inta.es!a024132 From: sanchezba@inta.es (Anastasio Sanchez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed on protocols...!! Date: Wed, 22 May 96 15:26:21 GMT Organization: INTA. Instituto Nacional de Tecnica Aeroespacial, Spain Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4nvbmt$hro_001@a024132.inta.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: a024132.inta.es X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Hi everybody. 1) Can anybody say to me which protocol (Xmodem, Zmodem, Kermit...) is the best and fastest to transfer files between computers throught a phone line?. 2) Do these protocols automatically change the CR - CR-LF when transferring between UNIX and DOS systems? TIA... Anastasio Sanchez From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 12:53:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19992 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02257 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.encore.com!tma From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) Subject: Re: Announcing C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta For UNIX, VMS, AOS, and Mac Organization: Encore Computer Corporation Distribution: inet Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 12:55:20 GMT Message-ID: X-Nntp-Posting-Host: edison.encore.com References: <4nlqal$plu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996May20.080157.80505@cc.usu.edu> Sender: news@encore.com (Usenet News) Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5265 comp.os.vms:128120 comp.os.aos:752 jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: >> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> >> >>> PCs with Unixware 1.1.2, 1.1.4, 2.03, and 2.11. >> >> No big deal... but I am not aware that UW-2.11 has been released. >> -- >-------- > As the sign says, no big deal. That's UnixWare version 2.10 in >reality, and it's my machine upon which the latest CKermit was built. >CK runs just fine on it, thankyouverymuch. What is difficult to find >from the outside is the minor-minor version digit, the "0" above, since >uname provides only "2.1" rather than "2.1" You almost have to >have the SCO CD-ROM in front of you to know the final digit. Joe, It is my only curiosity ... as I was told that UW-2.11 is being worked on, yes, real UW-2.11. Until then, I bet that uname -v will return 2.11. -- -- Thanh Ma tma@encore.com From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 12:53:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19997 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA02259 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 12:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed on protocols...!! Date: 22 May 1996 11:17:55 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 38 Sender: ratinox@unilab.dfci.harvard.edu Message-ID: References: <4nvbmt$hro_001@a024132.inta.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu In-reply-to: sanchezba@inta.es's message of Wed, 22 May 96 15:26:21 GMT X-Posting-Software: Gnus v5.0.15 [ NNTP-based News Reader for GNU Emacs ] X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "AS" == Anastasio Sanchez writes: AS> 1) Can anybody say to me which protocol (Xmodem, Zmodem, Kermit...) AS> is the best and fastest to transfer files between computers throught AS> a phone line?. "Best" and "fastest" may not be synonymous; they could be mutually exclusive. Of the three, xmodem is probably not worth looking at. Kermit by default is the most robust, able to deal with a poor connection better than the other two protocols. Zmodem by default is the fastest of the three, but it cannot deal with line noise nearly as well as kermit. Both kermit and zmodem may be tweaked to provide more or less robustness on dirty lines, in exchange for throughput; at maximum throughput both perform similarly. AS> 2) Do these protocols automatically change the CR - CR-LF when AS> transferring between UNIX and DOS systems? Kermit defaults to text mode; 'set file type binary' to set binary transfer mode. Zmodem defaults to binary transfer mode; use the -a switch to set text transfer mode. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMaMwJZ6VRH7BJMxHAQF6wgP/VQftuN4U1ILptfPICqWzUvwgSOjaGDU5 RA8M5GFqJ1bty6MVCQ620NVHxsZjonBWXiwwoGPgJFc8HhoSKGdkSN8kA2YSpEOr tjnAyrheJA8RlHvJ/LrdkcRmyxlgdxARTe/ohj90mCfPLMWywWXAG8AD1we6dY3K kcK3ZdTpSfQ= =YJ2M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ When eating out, think nothing of sending \ back your meal twenty or thirty times. -A http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ cat's guide to life From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 13:52:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27273 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03659 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!ts-b.bcc.ac.uk!skaamjm From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! Message-ID: <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:28:43 GMT References: Organization: University College London Lines: 47 holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes: >I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off >the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box. Not having >any luck. >There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2. >The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup. If I exit dvx, I can >ping the Linux box ok. I tried the following setup: >set port tcp >set tcp pack odi >set tcp add 150.0.0.2 >set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 >set port tcp 150.0.0.1 >connect >I get "cannot access IP packets". >So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000). It seemed to initialize OK, >then when I do: >set por tcp >set tcp add 150.0.0.2 >set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 >set port tcp 150.0.0.1 >connect >I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1. >What am I doing wrong? >Thanks, >Tim Holmes >holmes@gorilla.nbn.com Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and failing. (You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you boxes registered). Matthew Moore From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 13:52:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA27272 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA03656 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 13:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet From: triocomp@dial.pipex.com (Chris Raper) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Q: Does C-Kermit 5.0 have an inherrant Xon/Xoff problem? Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 14:28:30 GMT Organization: Trio Computing Ltd Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31a2e375.6979437@news.dial.pipex.com> References: <31a1a81b.14168617@news.dial.pipex.com> <4nt285$au0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: am142.du.pipex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 21 May 1996 18:32:37 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: [whole article snipped] Many thanks Frank, Your tips & suggestions were very useful - and educational. The upshot is - a humble apology from your's truely :-) After a complete brainwave (well, the brain fog seems to have cleared a bit anyway!) I used cu to dial another machine and got the same problems with it :-( If it gets to be a major problem I will have to upgrade the wiring at both ends to give RTS/CTS support. Cheers Chris R. -- All views are my own and are not necessarily those of my employer. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 15:30:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10237 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 15:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!ts-b.bcc.ac.uk!skaamjm From: skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) Subject: Re: kermit & MS TCP/IP-32, v3.11b Message-ID: <1996May22.151734.105314@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 22 May 1996 15:17:34 GMT References: <4nkv5u$e7a@ralph.vnet.net> Organization: University College London Keywords: kermit TCP/IP-32 Lines: 79 I add to degraaf's post the information that Kermit (3.13 and 3.14) will run alomgside the Microsoft stack under Windows 95. (I say alongside because the second IP address is needed). NDIS3PKT installation under WIN95 is simpler : in the network control panel you choose ADD protocol, and specify location of NDS3PKT under 'HAVE DISK' - WIN95 does the rest. Matthew Moore degraaf@lys.vnet.net (degraaf) writes: >Kermit _can_ be run over MicroSoft's new TCP/IP-32 ver 3.11b stack, >but there's a trick. >Short story: >You must add NDIS3PKT.386 and you must use two different IP addresses, >one for the MS stack, the other for kermit. >Long story: >I have a samba UNIX server and wanted to use the new MS TCP/IP-32 >ver3.11b stack for WindowsforWorkgroups 3.11 and also use kermit >to log on directly to UNIX from a client PC. I collected from >ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/clients/wfw the files TCP32B.EXE and >WFWFILES.EXE, as well as instruction files, INDEX.TXT, UPDATE.TXT, and >WFWFILES.TXT. The .EXE files expand into floppy-loads that are used to >install this new stack into WfW 3.11 and some new files that are >manually copied according to the complete instructions given. >This new stack uses NDIS ver 3 to access the Ethernet card, while >kermit uses a packet driver. Previously, DIS_PKT9.DOS was interposed >between kermit's packet driver and the NDIS module, and WINPKT.COM >was used to mediate between Windows and the packet driver. >This was clearly documented by Joe Doupnik in DIS_PKT.DOC in the >Kermit for DOS package. Unfortunately these NDIS 2 programs don't work >any more with the new NDIS 3 stack. >Instead, one uses NDIS3PKT.386, written by Daniel D. Lanciani. >It is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a packet driver >interface on top of NDIS 3. I collected ver 1.2 from >pc.usl.edu/pub/packet_drivers - ndis3pkt.386 and ndis3pkt.readme. >Installation is very simple: >Copy NDIS3PKT.386 file to the system directory, eg C:\WFW\SYSTEM. >In system.ini, add to [386Enh] > device=ndis3pkt.386 >and add a new section > [ndis3pkt] > netcard0=MS$NE1CLONE >where MS$NE1CLONE happens to be the driver name for my network card. >Yours may well be different. (It's usually found in the BINDINGS= line >of the [NETBEUI] section of protocol.ini) >Now comes the trick. You have, during network initialization, >specified an IP address for the PC. This is used by the MS stack in >its communications with other machines on the network. >You must also give kermit an IP address, usually in MSCUSTOM.INI, eg, > SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 192.9.100.23 ;(NOT 192.9.100.22) >Be SURE this is different from the address given to TCP/IP! >When I initially used a single IP address for both, kermit's attempt >to open a connection to the UNIX server failed with the message >"Connection refused by host". With a different IP address >for kermit, connections succeed. >Apparently, when packets arrive for both NDIS and the packet driver >using the same IP address, bad things happen in the new MS stack. >Since NDIS3PKT.386 includes a multiplexor, the same "extra" IP address >can be used by several packet driver programs, such as kermit. >But you must now use up two addresses for each PC. >Thanks, MicroSoft. >-- > David A. De Graaf degraaf@vnet.net > DATIX, Inc. (803) 785-3136 From news@columbia.edu Wed May 22 20:17:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA13939 for ; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:16:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15526 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 22 May 1996 20:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.nstn.ca!news.dal.ca!mhoneth From: mhoneth@is.dal.ca (Michael Eric Ragnar Honeth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Downloading with Kermit Date: 22 May 1996 20:58:03 GMT Organization: Dalhousie University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4nvv4r$21m@News.Dal.Ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: is.dal.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I am trying to download images and zipped files from the university server, but do not have the kermit program. Instead I use BitCom for Windows and receive with Kermit protocol. However, all binary files end up corrupted - can't see the images or unzip the programs. Can anyone supply me with the correct settings I should use for the Kermit protocol? Parity bits etc. I usually use msend or send command. Thank you in advance! From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 00:48:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09028 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cftnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: 23 May 1996 01:41:52 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4o0fp0$7f0@samba.rahul.net> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] John Verne - CNED/F94 (jverne@acs.ryerson.ca) wrote: : I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file : transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit. I seem to get a max of "11%" no : matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc. The % number is crudely made by dividing the bytes transferred by the serial port speed. If you have a link of 115K, and a 14.4 modem, you can, at best, see a transfer of 13.9%. This number is derived from the 14.4 modem raw throughput of around 1600cps, divided by the port speed of 115k. How many characters per second being delivered is a better check. With Kermit using default stuff, except for packet size, and a sliding window of 2 or 4, you should easily see 12-1300 cps on a 14.4 connection. 11% is probably not a bad number. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 00:49:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09099 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA21463 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 00:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!news.ryerson.ca!hopper.acs.ryerson.ca!jverne From: jverne@acs.ryerson.ca (John Verne - CNED/F94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Best efficiency ? Date: 22 May 1996 23:37:55 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit. I seem to get a max of "11%" no matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc. Anybody got a secret pointer? -- Jon D. Verne "So with all kindred 'modern improvements' there is an illusion about them; there is not always a positive advance. The devil goes on exacting compound interest to the last for his early share and numerous succeeding investments in them. Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end." -- Henry David Thoreau From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 06:29:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06179 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA01876 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 06:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news.caldera.com!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! Message-ID: <1996May22.170646.80723@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 May 96 17:06:46 MDT References: <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 In article <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes: > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes: > >>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off >>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box. Not having >>any luck. > >>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2. >>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup. If I exit dvx, I can >>ping the Linux box ok. I tried the following setup: > >>set port tcp >>set tcp pack odi >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2 >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1 >>connect > >>I get "cannot access IP packets". > >>So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000). It seemed to initialize OK, >>then when I do: > >>set por tcp >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2 >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1 >>connect > >>I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1. > >>What am I doing wrong? > >>Thanks, > >>Tim Holmes >>holmes@gorilla.nbn.com > > > Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS > so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and > failing. > > (You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you > boxes registered). > > Matthew Moore ----------- 150.0.0.x is also illegal with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 because it creates a subnet field, the third octet in this Class B case, of all zeros. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 10:08:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA05487 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA21676 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: 23 May 1996 14:08:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4o1rh7$l5a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca>, John Verne - CNED/F94 wrote: : I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file : transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit. I seem to get a max of "11%" no : matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc. : 11% of what? When Kermit prints its percent efficiency figure, it is based upon its idea of the connection speed. The efficiency is how long the transfer took, compared to how long it should have taken to move that many file bytes at the given speed. Unfortunately, more often than not, the underlying operating does not know the speed. For example, if you have a Telnet and/or terminal-server connection into UNIX, it (usually) thinks your speed is 38400, no matter what your speed really is. So even if you are dialing in with 1200 bps modem, it is calculating the efficiency based on 38400 bps. Secondly, even when it *does* know the speed of a serial connection, that's the *interface* speed, not the modulation speed. For example, on a V.32bis connection, your interface speed might be 57600 bps, but the modulation speed is 14400 bps. And to complicate matters further, the actual throughput over the modem might be lower (because of error correction) or higher (because of data compression). And to confuse matters even more, V.34 modems can "speed-shift" up or down at any time during the connection, while the interface speed remains constant. So take the "percent efficiency" figure with a grain of salt and look at the actual throughput in cps (characters per second). Kermit's TRUE efficiency can vary from a few percent to many hundreds of percent, depending on the data itself, the quality of the connection in terms of noise and delay, whether the connection is 7 bits or 8 bits, and your packet-length, window size, and control-character unprefixing settings. It is typical to get 85-100% percent true efficiency if you take the trouble to select a longer-than-default packet length and a window size greater than one. : Anybody got a secret pointer? : It's no secret -- it's in all the Kermit books, and it's the top item on our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 10:15:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA06296 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA21809 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 10:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!muir.math.niu.edu!corn.cso.niu.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jodell From: jodell@netcom.com (Jake Odell) Subject: MS-Kermit / multi-port cards (?)_ Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 21 May 1996 14:13:04 GMT Lines: 7 Sender: jodell@netcom22.netcom.com Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port to see which UART is generating the interrupt? -- jake@pantheon.us.com jodell@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 13:17:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA28451 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA25667 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 13:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit / multi-port cards (?)_ Date: 23 May 1996 17:17:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4o26il$p1p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jake Odell wrote: : Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card : like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port : to see which UART is generating the interrupt? : Most such cards come with a "Fossil driver". Install the fossil driver, then tell Kermit (version 3.14 is needed) to "set port fossil ". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 14:05:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04792 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA26862 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 14:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.consultix.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 15:14:43 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <31a47d81.389121497@128.230.1.4> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial6-232.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 jverne@acs.ryerson.ca (John Verne - CNED/F94) wrote: >I was just wondering what % some folk's are getting with big binary file >transfers in PC-Kermit to C-Kermit. I seem to get a max of "11%" no >matter what I do with the control-prefixing, block length, etc. As Clarence pointed out, the efficiency (%) can be misleading since it's based on the DTE (computer to modem) speed. CPS (characters per second) is a better indication. With my pretty good settings, I routinely get 1620-1640 cps on a 14400 connection for compressed data (zips, gzs) and twice that on a 28800 connection. And I've achieved those speeds with many different Kermits (C-Kermit on UNIX and OS/2, MS-Kermit, Kermit95); it shouldn't matter which you use. Windows, large packets, and little prefixing are the keys. These days, I use: set window 31 set send packet 2000 set receive packet 2000 set control unprefix all set control prefix 0 1 3 128 129 131 These days I make TCP/IP connections as well as dialed ones. I seem to recall using only "set control prefix 0 1 3" back when I made only dialed connections. - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 16:37:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23961 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA00197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 16:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!bone.think.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!not-for-mail From: lsprague@cass.ma02.bull.com (Lin Sprague) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Caps lock makes !@#$% instead of 12345 Date: 23 May 1996 16:05:16 -0400 Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4o2gds$1aou@cass.ma02.bull.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cass.ma02.bull.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] I'm using Kermit 95 on both Windows NT and Win95 and I've noticed that the top row number keys produce the punctuation characters rather than numerals when the Caps Lock key is down, just like if you were holding the key. Is this by design? Is there any way to make it not do this? -- ...Lin Sprague... lsprague@crater.ma02.bull.com From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 18:41:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08212 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 18:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 18:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Caps lock makes !@#$% instead of 12345 Date: 23 May 1996 22:41:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4o2pii$2su@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4o2gds$1aou@cass.ma02.bull.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4o2gds$1aou@cass.ma02.bull.com>, Lin Sprague wrote: : : I'm using Kermit 95 on both Windows NT and Win95 and I've noticed that the : top row number keys produce the punctuation characters rather than numerals : when the Caps Lock key is down, just like if you were holding the : key. Is this by design? Is there any way to make it not do this? : Kind of makes you want to say "!@#$%" :-) (But are you sure it's also happening in Windows NT?) >From the Kermit 95 BUGS.DOC file: 6. Keyboard Scan Codes and Caps Lock (M) Certain keyboard scan codes, constructed by Kermit 95 from information reported by Windows, are inconsistent between Windows NT and Windows 95. These include Num Lock and Numeric Keypad /. More seriously, Windows 95 (not NT) returns the shifted version of non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you press the "2" key on a USA keyboard with Caps Lock on, you get "@" instead of "2". In other words, Caps Lock behaves like Shift Lock. This is a Windows 95 bug. The same K95 code executing under Windows NT returns the correct values. Workaround: None, except to avoid using Caps Lock. There is nothing Kermit can do about this. If Windows gives it the wrong scan code, Kermit can't guess what the right one would have been -- especially when you consider the multiplicity of national and other keyboards. Cure: If the next Microsoft update or release fixes the Caps Lock bug, it will be fixed in Kermit. When the full-GUI, non-console-mode version of Kermit 95 comes out, that, too, will cure this problem by not using the console driver. (end quote) There is a kind of workaround for this, however. You can find it at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/caps.ksc It's a key mapping file to "do the right thing" -- but only on a US keyboard. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 19:11:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11364 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04127 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 19:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns.hcsc.com!amber!tom From: tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: 23 May 1996 15:51:42 GMT Organization: Harris Computer Systems Corporation Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> <31a47d81.389121497@128.230.1.4> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: amber-34.ssd.hcsc.com In-reply-to: vefatica@syr.edu's message of Thu, 23 May 1996 15:14:43 GMT Well, as long as people are on the subject, I'll mention a problem I'm having (but I admit up front, I haven't tried nearly hard enough to track it down yet). I have the following path when attempting to download a file: Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix (with K95) I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that). When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone decides to do some RTS/CTS flow control signalling, and it comes to a dead halt, sits there for several seconds, flashes the RTS/CTS lights, sends a few more bytes, then flashes the RTS/CTS lights again, and sort of stays in "dribble" mode for the rest of the file transfer. Somewhere along the line, triggering flow control constipates some part of my connection, but since the problem could be a bug in NT, or a bug in the ZyXel or USR handling of flow control, or a problem with buffering or flow control in the Portmaster, or the firewall, or the Unix box, I'm not sure what to check or where to look. (And a DAT tape in the glove compartment of my car on the way home is *much* higher bandwidth than kermit, so I don't need to do file transfers very often, which is why I haven't spent much time on trying to track this down :-). -- -- Tom.Horsley@mail.hcsc.com or Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net Work: Harris Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 The 2 most important political web sites: http://www.vote-smart.org (Project Vote Smart), and http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TomHorsley (Me!) From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 20:16:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA18081 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05528 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Downloading with Kermit Date: 23 May 1996 23:12:18 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4o2rci$n2t@news.iastate.edu> References: <4nvv4r$21m@News.Dal.Ca> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu In article <4nvv4r$21m@News.Dal.Ca>, mhoneth@is.dal.ca (Michael Eric Ragnar Honeth) writes: > I am trying to download images and zipped files from the university > server, but do not have the kermit program. Instead I use BitCom for > Windows and receive with Kermit protocol. However, all binary files end > up corrupted - can't see the images or unzip the programs. What kind of system is "the university server"? Is it using a standard Kermit at its end? Some systems (such as the Vax I am using at this moment, with Kermit-MS on my PC serving as both my terminal emulator and file transfer software) require a command such as "set file type binary" to be given (before send) to the Kermit on their end, without which the transfer will be corrupt. If there are excess newlines or carriage returns in the transferred files, this may signal the fact that this is what happened. Check the end of your ".zip" files -- can you read all the file names in the .zip directory at the end? (a good sign); does each file name appear on a new line? (a bad sign). To check for an error at the receiving end, rather than at the sending end, try A Windows Terminal Binary download using Kermit. Since there is also a ready-to-use Kermit 3.14 DOS version which runs in a DOS window under Windows, that would be another alternative at the DOS end. If you can not get the free Columbia distribution for it directly, because of the very problem you mention, perhaps Frank will explain how to get it E-mailed to you (or permit someone else to do so). ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 20:30:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA19408 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA05799 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 20:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: 24 May 1996 00:29:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-ID: <4o2vu4$5kf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> <31a47d81.389121497@128.230.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Horsley wrote: : Well, as long as people are on the subject, I'll mention a problem I'm : having (but I admit up front, I haven't tried nearly hard enough to track it : down yet). : : I have the following path when attempting to download a file: : : Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix : (with K95) : : I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection : is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that). : : When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max : throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the : first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone : decides to do some RTS/CTS flow control signalling, and it comes to a dead : halt, sits there for several seconds, flashes the RTS/CTS lights, sends a : few more bytes, then flashes the RTS/CTS lights again, and sort of stays in : "dribble" mode for the rest of the file transfer. : When you say you are downloading, that would seem to point the finger at NT as the flowcontrolmeister. Stuff is coming in faster than NT can handle, so it says "stop" to the modem. Why would it do that? Certainly it's not because Kermit can't keep up, because Kermit can receive files at hundreds of K per second on a network connection (under ideal conditions) -- way faster than a modem. So if NT is the culprit, then it's probably the serial port driver, the disk driver, or some combination. The fact that Kermit receives a few K (four maybe?) before this starts seems to incriminate the disk driver more than anything else. I don't pretend to be an NT expert, but it sounds like its disk output buffer filled up and it went to actually write the stuff out, and maybe it can't "walk and chew gum at the same time" (some of us are like that) so it told the serial driver to shut up the modem while it was writing. Sort of like happens in DOS :-) It also tends to exonerate the PC serial port and driver, since if the first few K did not make the PC interrupt itself to death, why should subsequent K? So maybe there is something you can do by way of increasing disk-write buffers, or disk cache, or somesuch, or some other NT tuning ritual, that I will leave to the NT experts. : Somewhere along the line, triggering flow control constipates some part of : my connection, but since the problem could be a bug in NT, or a bug in the : ZyXel or USR handling of flow control, or a problem with buffering or flow : control in the Portmaster, or the firewall, or the Unix box, I'm not sure : what to check or where to look. (And a DAT tape in the glove compartment of : my car on the way home is *much* higher bandwidth than kermit, so I don't : need to do file transfers very often, which is why I haven't spent much time : on trying to track this down :-). : "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of magnetic tapes", updated to more compact media (and perhaps also cars). But yeah, it could be any of those things. It could, for example, be some kind of "resonance" (and I mean that in bad way) between the modems, but that would not account for the computer's RTS signal going off. And, to the best of my knowledge, NT's handling of RTS/CTS is, in itself, not buggy (unlike, say, Windows 95's handling of Xon/Xoff). So your best bet is to start by looking into the disk subsystem and/or cache. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 23 23:31:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA05281 for ; Thu, 23 May 1996 23:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA09447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 23 May 1996 23:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!news From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Accessing multiple types of modems? Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 00:09:10 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Charlotte, NC - info@char.vnet.net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31a4fd85.87049414@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: catfish.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Is there a "recommended" way to access a pool of different kind of modems using Kermit? I've got 4 14.4 Multitechs, 2 2400 Multitechs, and 2 28.8 Multitechs. I want to select the next available modem and somehow get Kermit to recognize the type and speed. Any suggestions are welcome. MAB --------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom | Hot Doughnuts Now! mbaucom@vnet.net | -- Krispy Kreme From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 00:55:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA14131 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 00:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA11545 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 00:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!news.consultix.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 02:06:43 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <31a515bc.428099459@128.230.1.4> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> <31a47d81.389121497@128.230.1.4> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial6-232.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 tom@ssd.csd.harris.com (Tom Horsley) wrote: >Well, as long as people are on the subject, I'll mention a problem I'm >having (but I admit up front, I haven't tried nearly hard enough to track it >down yet). > >I have the following path when attempting to download a file: > >Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix >(with K95) > >I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection >is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that). > >When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max >throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the >first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone >decides to do some RTS/CTS flow control signalling, and it comes to a dead >halt, sits there for several seconds, flashes the RTS/CTS lights, sends a >few more bytes, then flashes the RTS/CTS lights again, and sort of stays in >"dribble" mode for the rest of the file transfer. Just a thought ... In my quest to get a good USR Sportster out of Gateway2000 (I'm on modem number 6) I've had a few with the (now well-known) "pausing" problem. I normally use Win95 which is set up nicely, but a few days ago, I was fooling with PPP on Linux (not set up nicely) and inadvertantly made a connection with the speaker left on after handshaking. So I got to hear the pauses. The modems were retraining (hear the "bongs") or at least in my case trying to, since they seemed to wind up at the same speed as before. This problem seems to be widespread among Gateway users; I don't know about "real" USR Sportsters. And the telephone line in question has served me well for years. Gateway admits a "pausing" problem; I don't know if they know it seems to be due to excessive (and even unnecessary) retraining. If after the pause your xfer rate is less, maybe they really are retraining, possibly because of a noisy line, or bad error correction ... maybe just for kicks. So, turn on the speaker and, if this is what's happening, at least you'll know it. Of course, there's always congestion and bottlenecks on the network to deal with too. Good luck. - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 03:05:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA24288 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 03:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA13898 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 03:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!bone.think.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!cass.ma02.bull.com!not-for-mail From: lsprague@cass.ma02.bull.com (Lin Sprague) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Caps lock makes !@#$% instead of 12345 Date: 23 May 1996 23:16:49 -0400 Organization: Bull Worldwide Information Systems. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4o39n1$tjm@cass.ma02.bull.com> References: <4o2pii$2su@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cass.ma02.bull.com Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4o2gds$1aou@cass.ma02.bull.com>, : Lin Sprague wrote: : : : : I'm using Kermit 95 on both Windows NT and Win95 and I've noticed that the : : top row number keys produce the punctuation characters rather than numerals : : when the Caps Lock key is down, just like if you were holding the : : key. Is this by design? Is there any way to make it not do this? : : : Kind of makes you want to say "!@#$%" :-) You e-mail your mother with those keycodes?? C'mon, let's keep it clean here! : (But are you sure it's also happening in Windows NT?) You're right, it's only Win 95. I wasn't on the NT machine when I posted that message, but I just checked now and it's OK. : More seriously, Windows 95 (not NT) returns the shifted version of : non-alphabetic characters when Caps Lock is on; for example, if you press the That is serious! I don't suppose the Win 95 Service Pack #1 fixed it, did it? I haven't applied it yet because I thought I had no need to. Microsoft really should fix this. Are they (officially) aware of this, IOW, do they acknowledge the bug? I'm curious why the effect doesn't show up in DOS programs. Do they not use the console driver. : There is a kind of workaround for this, however. You can find it at: : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/caps.ksc : It's a key mapping file to "do the right thing"-- but only on a US keyboard. It sounds like this would take care of my immediate problem. I hope the problem itself is cured soon. -- ...Lin Sprague... lsprague@crater.ma02.bull.com From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 04:33:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01337 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 04:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA15116 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 04:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!cdc2.cdc.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!miwok!gorilla!holmes From: holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Message-ID: References: <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk> <1996May22.170646.80723@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 04:00:57 GMT Lines: 64 Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes: : > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes: : > : >>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off : >>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box. Not having : >>any luck. : > : >>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2. : >>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup. If I exit dvx, I can : >>ping the Linux box ok. I tried the following setup: : > : >>set port tcp : >>set tcp pack odi : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2 : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1 : >>connect : > : >>I get "cannot access IP packets". : > : >>So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000). It seemed to initialize OK, : >>then when I do: : > : >>set por tcp : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2 : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1 : >>connect : > : >>I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1. : > : >>What am I doing wrong? : > : >>Thanks, : > : >>Tim Holmes : >>holmes@gorilla.nbn.com : > : > : > Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS : > so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and : > failing. : > : > (You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you : > boxes registered). : > : > Matthew Moore Since I'm the administrator of this two machine network (!), do I have to set up DNS to get kermit to work? : ----------- : 150.0.0.x is also illegal with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 : because it creates a subnet field, the third octet in this Class B case, : of all zeros. : Joe D. What subnet mask would work? I tried 255.255.0.0, but no go there either. Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm having trouble with this one. Thanks, Tim Holmes holmes@gorilla.nbn.com From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 09:39:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05522 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09404 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Caps lock makes !@#$% instead of 12345 Date: 24 May 1996 13:39:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4o4e6a$95q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4o2pii$2su@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4o39n1$tjm@cass.ma02.bull.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4o39n1$tjm@cass.ma02.bull.com>, Lin Sprague wrote: : That is serious! I don't suppose the Win 95 Service Pack #1 fixed it, did : it? I haven't applied it yet because I thought I had no need to. Microsoft : really should fix this. Are they (officially) aware of this, IOW, do they : acknowledge the bug? Microsoft does not release bug fixes the way for Windows the way that they do for NT. The comment from one of their employees is that it is too dangerous to fix bugs in Windows. Service Packs are only meant to add new features and fix items which (1) cause data loss; and (b) hit the front page of PC Week. Microsoft was made aware of this and other bugs months before the public release. They were advised of these bugs both by us and by JP Software (the makers of 4DOS.) : I'm curious why the effect doesn't show up in DOS programs. Do they not use : the console driver. It only affects Win32 console applications. DOS apps use a different piece of emulation code. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 09:54:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07195 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09675 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 09:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Accessing multiple types of modems? Date: 24 May 1996 13:53:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4o4f1i$9e9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31a4fd85.87049414@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31a4fd85.87049414@news.vnet.net>, Milton Baucom wrote: : Is there a "recommended" way to access a pool of different kind of : modems using Kermit? I've got 4 14.4 Multitechs, 2 2400 Multitechs, : and 2 28.8 Multitechs. I want to select the next available modem and : somehow get Kermit to recognize the type and speed. : That is a tough one. In the general case, this would be akin to implementing "plug and play" in Kermit -- something a company the size of Microsoft might be able to do on a grand scale, but not a reasonable goal for a small operation like ours. But that's where Kermit's script language comes in handy. If, by chance, there were a command you could give to the modem to have it identify itself, such as ATIn (where "n" is usually some digit, like 3), that would be ideal, especially if all three varieties recognized the same command but responded uniquely. Then you might do something like this: set host terminal-server-name port-number if fail ... output ati3\13 ; or whatever input \10 ; read back the echo if fail ... clear input ; clear INPUT buffer if fail ... input \10 ; read back the response if fail ... At the point, the \v(input) variable should contain the response. Then you can use IF EQUAL or similar commands, and/or string functions to analyze it and decide what to do. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 14:32:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13550 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 14:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA16001 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 14:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!news From: Urs Scherrer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: command Line KERMIT for NT Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:21:05 +0200 Organization: imt AG, Buchs Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31A5C5D1.44DF@imt.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.imt.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5289 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:128575 Hi I'm looking for a tool to send and receive data via kermit protocol. It should be startable from the command prompt for automatic transfers... Thanks for any hint -- << Press Any Key to Reboot >> - Where the hell is the ANYKEY ? From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 15:29:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA19462 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA17169 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 15:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.zNET.net!news.nothingbutnet.net!nntp.snfc21.pbi.net!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: 24 May 1996 15:28:54 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4o4kjm$8io@samba.rahul.net> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> <31a47d81.389121497@128.230.1.4> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Tom Horsley (tom@ssd.csd.harris.com) wrote: : I have the following path when attempting to download a file: : Windows NT 4.0 Beta <-> ZyXel <-> USR <-> Portmaster <-> firewall <-> Unix : (with K95) : I am transfering from the Unix box to the Windows NT box. The connection : is 8 bit clean all the way (I'm fairly positive of that). : When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max : throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the : first few kilobytes, then (judging from the lights on my modem), someone Assuming that you have sliding windows, you have probably "sent" a lot of data, with no acks. When your outstanding (unacknowledged) window count reaches the threshold, data stops. The "screaming" data delivery is exactly like ZModem encountering an existing file. The numbers are counting, but no data is moving. At least with Kermit, you can tell there is a problem ;-) The source of this trouble is likely bad flow control on the receiving modem. If the modem connection, with compression, delivers data faster than the serial link can absorb it, you will get this symptom. Guesses: You have "Set Windows 10" (substitute any number greater than 4) Returning to the Unix kermit prompt, "statistics" shows all of the windows have been used. The "packets sent" is higher (a lot higher) than "packets received". This is worse when downloading text than it is with .zip files. Your serial port speed is close to the modem speed (i.e., 19.2 on a 14.4 modem). Tests and solutions: Set windows 1 - Not a fix, just a test! change serial port speed to at least double the connect speed. fix the hardware flow control for your modem. set kermit to use the hardware flow control. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 17:46:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA03871 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 17:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19932 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 17:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!hookup!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!bofh.dot!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!bofh.dot!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!bofh.dot!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!torn!news.ryerson.ca!hopper.acs.ryerson.ca!jverne From: jverne@acs.ryerson.ca (John Verne - CNED/F94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: 24 May 1996 19:12:24 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4o51mo$g64@ns2.ryerson.ca> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: hopper.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I hate to followup my own message, but here's the latest, plus another (mainly rhetorical) question.... C-Kermit would freeze on uploads from MS-Kermit. Turns out my DTE speed was too high, on account of my having bought a STUPID rockwell modem. C-Kermit is XON/XOFF, so I prefix the usual suspects. Downloads are now on par with the 14.4kbps i.e. 23% efficiency @ 57.6K = 1500 cps (?) I have a clean connection, usually, so HUGE frames, and 5 windows just for good luck. However; binary uploads still cause C-Kermit to misbehave with anything other than 'set control prefix all'... A debug.log shows, among other things, that I was popped into telnet command mode at one point... An hour spent at investigating telnet code prefixing was fruitless. Hmmm... since I do far more dloading than uloading, I decided to give it a rest. The time involved changing a setting, sending a file, interrupting a file, changing a setting, ...etc... doesn't seem worth it. Not when I could be spreading helpful information and wasting precious bandwidth. What else are you gonna do with that 36.6kbps you spent all that money on ;> Jon D. Verne "So with all kindred 'modern improvements' there is an illusion about them; there is not always a positive advance. The devil goes on exacting compound interest to the last for his early share and numerous succeeding investments in them. Our inventions are wont to be pretty toys, which distract our attention from serious things. They are but improved means to an unimproved end." -- Henry David Thoreau From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 18:13:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06135 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA20627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!netcom.com!kientzle From: kientzle@netcom.com Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> <31a47d81.389121497@128.230.1.4> Date: Fri, 24 May 1996 16:39:50 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: kientzle@netcom10.netcom.com In article , Tom Horsley wrote: >When I issue all the commands from the FAQ to give me a fast, clean, max >throughput kind of connection and start the download it just screams for the >first few kilobytes, then ... It may or may not have anything to do with flow control per se. If your serial driver is dropping data (possibly due to flow control problems, possibly due to buggy drivers or scrambled hardware interrupts) then long windows and/or long packets are deadly. If you're using a long window, long packets, and there's data loss, you'll see exactly the sort of behavior you describe: the sender will send a bunch of long packets (furiously blinking modem), but only one or two will be successfully received. The receiver waits (no modem lights), eventually times out and re-requests a packet (modem blinks once), etc, etc. Try selecting a small packet size and small window and gradually increasing them. I suspect you'll find a point beyond which throughput degrades rapidly. On one local connection, I found that I had to limit the (window size times packet size) to less than 1500. Beyond that, throughput dropped to nothing. After upgrading the serial drivers, suddenly large windows worked better. If you're interested in the technical details of what's going on, you might be interested in the article I wrote for Dr. Dobb's back in February, which describes some techniques Kermit implementations can use to deal with this type of problem. - Tim Kientzle From news@columbia.edu Fri May 24 18:54:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09336 for ; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA21455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 May 1996 18:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!newsmaster From: <76355.3111@compuserve.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Windows 3.1x version of Kermit??? Dropping telnet sessions... Date: 24 May 1996 20:25:07 GMT Organization: CompuServe Incorporated Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4o55v3$5m1@arl-news-svc-2.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dd63-018.compuserve.com Content-Type: text/plain Keywords: Kermit Windows 16-bit telnet X-Newsreader: AIR Mosaic (16-bit) version 3.10.08.25 Has anyone heard of a 16-bit version of Windows Kermit from a guy named Wayne Warthen? Supposedly he made a version of Kermit that is winsock compliant and runs under Win 3.x. Any ideas? Thought this might help with the problem below: I am having some problems with DOS kermit keeping sessions connected on some Emulex terminal servers doing LAT to some VAXes. In other words, I do Kermit TCP/IP to the terminal server, then the terminal server takes the connection and converts it to LAT to talk to the VAX. It worked OK until we added more PC's to the network. Someone at Kermit Distribution at Columbia University said that it could be the LAT protocol dropping the connection because it doesn't hear from the TCP/IP connection soon enough. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 25 00:45:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA07142 for ; Sat, 25 May 1996 00:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 May 1996 00:45:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit / multi-port cards (?)_ Message-ID: <1996May23.172812.80806@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 May 96 17:28:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 In article , jodell@netcom.com (Jake Odell) writes: > Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card > like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port > to see which UART is generating the interrupt? --------- You don't because there is no support for vendor-specific serial ports in MSK. I have none of these boards, nor the public information to go with them. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 25 07:15:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15960 for ; Sat, 25 May 1996 07:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA14738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 25 May 1996 07:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!n3ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!n1van.istar!van.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lava.net!coconut!usenet From: mechdne@aloha.com@aloha.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-Kermit and digicom Date: 25 May 1996 10:03:59 GMT Organization: Coconut Wireless Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4o6luf$fi3@news.aloha.com> References: <31a1a81b.14168617@news.dial.pipex.com> <4nt285$au0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: mechdne@aloha.com@aloha.com NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup51.aloha.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS I just tried to run c-kermit for os2 for the first time in a home - office modem connection. The home system appears to be ok. The office system has a digicom "soft modem" which has a hard time getting activated by c-Kermit. The modem will answer if i set carrier off, then connect, then type commands, upon exit to c-kermit tho all is crap again. Any body out there with a digicom 19.2 enhanced modem running Kermit? In other apps the $80 (two-three years ago!) works great, any chance it can be convinced to talk Kermit? tia Dimitris Economou mechdne@aloha.com From news@columbia.edu Sun May 26 09:13:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA25242 for ; Sun, 26 May 1996 09:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10688 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 26 May 1996 09:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!agis!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit & PC->Unix Mail Date: 26 May 1996 02:45:25 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4o8um5$g89@dorsai.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsai.dorsai.org MS Kermit has a feature for mailing files. Is there any way to prepare mail messages, using GNU Emacs on the PC and to have the Unix side mail them upon linkage (The Unix side in question runs C-Kermit/Sun/Gnu/Bash.)? (I'm not sure I understand how GNU Emacs does Main & News connections.) Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- -(Composed offline at 20h16 05025096)- --- þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 06:06:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA27853 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 06:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA04651 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 06:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!agis!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was Date: 27 May 1996 03:23:33 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4obl9l$9vc@dorsai.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsai.dorsai.org >From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed on 15:09 05-20-96 regarding Re: Kermit licensing (was we peruse: }> Xref: news.dorsai.org comp.os.linux.misc:112666 }> comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5092 }> In article , }> Evan Leibovitch wrote: }> : This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to }> : *you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company }> : producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence. }> : The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold. }> had the luxury of trying a new business model, failing, trying another one, }> again and again, and had no other demands on our time, this might be fun. Most people need only one port of Kermit, so why would they buy a CDROM with every port? I buy CDROMS when they have tons of software I need and don't want to keep swapping floppies. There's an old Greek saying "Those who have plenty of butter (in this case CDROM-production capacity) apply it even to their (how should I say..) seats." Very often I am flustered by my alma mater's reluctance to do commercial things that would make it the center or technological New York the way Stanford is to the Silicon Valley. But this is not the case here. Many times I've staked by career in choosing to emulate decisions made by Columbia elsewhere and they never steered me wrong, especially when it involved emulating technical decisions made by Frank daCruz. In NYC, you will find no better technology than at Columbia. When I was at the Federal Reserve and we needed to use Macsyma, which at the time ran on noneof our machines, we bought an account on the DEC20 systems managed at the time by Frank daCruz. My own desk shows fading from where, for fifteen years, I had an HP2621a terminal sold to me by Columbia when I was an undergrad. It lasted that long. Columbia doesn't buy junk. They don't make junk either. Ask the folks at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. The first A-bomb was made in Pupin Hall. IBM used to have their first computer research facility in the building where Frank had his office. Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- -(Composed offline at 14h40 05026096)- --- þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 09:09:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA19224 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 09:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA25999 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 09:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!homer.alpha.net!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit licensing (was Date: Mon, 27 May 96 12:30:13 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4oc79e$i6h@decius.ultra.net> References: <4obl9l$9vc@dorsai.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Keyword: off-topic In article <4obl9l$9vc@dorsai.dorsai.org>, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: > >From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.ed on 15:09 05-20-96 regarding Re: Kermit > licensing >(was we peruse: >}> Xref: news.dorsai.org comp.os.linux.misc:112666 >}> comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5092 >}> In article , >}> Evan Leibovitch wrote: >}> : This is a load of crap. I still have a copy of the letter I wrote to >}> : *you* November 4 1994, asking about the feasability of my company >}> : producing a CD-ROM that would contain every port of Kermit in existence. >}> : The letter was clear in its intent to pay Columbia for every CD-ROM sold. >}> had the luxury of trying a new business model, failing, trying another one, >}> again and again, and had no other demands on our time, this might be fun. > >Most people need only one port of Kermit, so why would they >buy a CDROM with every port? I buy CDROMS when they have >tons of software I need and don't want to keep swapping >floppies. There's an old Greek saying "Those who have >plenty of butter (in this case CDROM-production capacity) >apply it even to their (how should I say..) seats." > [snip] Completely off-topic, but there is an interesting article in this month's Scientific American about old Greeks, butter, and seats. Seems to have been a major technological advance. Coincidently, there is also an article about reliable network sofware ... John Santos From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 11:47:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02314 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 11:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28652 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 11:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: Re: command Line KERMIT for NT Date: 27 May 1996 15:46:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4ocipf$rv8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31A5C5D1.44DF@imt.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5299 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:128936 In article <31A5C5D1.44DF@imt.ch>, Urs Scherrer wrote: : Hi : I'm looking for a tool to send and receive data via kermit : protocol. It should be startable from the command prompt for : automatic transfers... : Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and NT, info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 11:53:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02937 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 11:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 11:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Best efficiency ? Date: 27 May 1996 11:53:17 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4ocj5d$2qu@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4o08gj$d5u@ns2.ryerson.ca> <4o51mo$g64@ns2.ryerson.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4o51mo$g64@ns2.ryerson.ca>, John Verne - CNED/F94 wrote: : ... : However; binary uploads still cause C-Kermit to misbehave with anything : other than 'set control prefix all'... A debug.log shows, among other : things, that I was popped into telnet command mode at one point... : An hour spent at investigating telnet code prefixing was fruitless. : Telnet is running in the terminal server. It has an escape character, such as Ctrl-^. If you don't prefix this character, then the first time it occurs in the file, you will (or are likely to -- depending on whether the Telnet implementation uses a single character or a two-character sequence) be returned to the terminal-server prompt. Read the documentation on control-character (un)prefixing in the C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit update notes (ckcker.upd or KERMIT.UPD). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 13:25:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12347 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 13:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA00490 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 13:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!expert.cc.purdue.edu!strianta From: strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on ancient PC Date: 27 May 1996 15:50:46 GMT Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: expert.cc.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi folks, I just bought a new modem and retired the old one to the old computer... But I can't get them to work right. Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1 Modem: Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external Software: KermitE 3.14 I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or better drops characters. The serial port of course is 8250, and no plans for some savior technology like 16550 are in sight. The very old documentation I have said that even without flow control kermit can do 9600, and with flow control 19200 on a 4.77mhz 8088. Mine is an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. I connect to a Xyplex Terminal Server at work, talking to a Unix box. Any help would be appreciated! My other system works fine at 28.8 using Kermit but then it's a 486/33 w/16550a. Thanks! Spiros -- EMAIL: strianta@indy.net URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta Software Technology Group, Delco Electronics, c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Graduate Student (CEE), Human Factors Engineering, Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 14:16:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA17563 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 14:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01388 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 14:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Date: 27 May 1996 18:16:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4ocrho$1b9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Spiros Triantafyllopou wrote: : I just bought a new modem and retired the old one to the old computer... : But I can't get them to work right. : : Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1 : Modem: Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external : Software: KermitE 3.14 : : I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or : better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR : recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or : better drops characters. : So are you using RTS/CTS flow control? If not, what happens when you do? : The serial port of course is 8250, and no plans : for some savior technology like 16550 are in sight. The very old : documentation I have said that even without flow control kermit can : do 9600, and with flow control 19200 on a 4.77mhz 8088. Mine is : an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. : That comment is relevant to "real" PCs. The 6300 is not necessarily the same as a real PC -- it was also designed to run UNIX, so might have some other things going on inside that a real PC does not, even if it is "IBM compatible". RTS/CTS flow control is the best you can do to prevent data loss. Make sure the modem is configured for it (as the PPI script does, of course) and that your cable has RTS and CTS wires and that they go to the right pins on the far end. However, RTS/CTS still does not guarantee that data won't be lost, because if the computer is very slow it might fail to fetch byte n from the UART register before byte n+1 arrives. (Still, it shouldn't be THAT slow...) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 15:38:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA25726 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 15:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02976 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 15:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!defsdoor.demon.co.uk From: andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 17:26:29 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <833220494.1336.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: defsdoor.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99b.112 On 27 May 1996 15:50:46 GMT, strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) wrote: >I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or >better but it drops characters like flies... >an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. Sounds to me like your PC is too slow for the serial port. Due to the lack of a buffer on the 8250 if the PC does not collect the data quick enough it will lose bits. You will have little - or no - chose but to slow the speed down still. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 18:11:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA11738 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 18:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06197 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 18:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!expert.cc.purdue.edu!strianta From: strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Date: 27 May 1996 20:41:41 GMT Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4od425$ilo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <4ocrho$1b9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: expert.cc.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : So are you using RTS/CTS flow control? If not, what happens when you do? No, only xon/xoff. : That comment is relevant to "real" PCs. The 6300 is not necessarily the : same as a real PC -- it was also designed to run UNIX, so might have some : other things going on inside that a real PC does not, even if it is "IBM : compatible". I have the normal 6300, not the plus (the plus was for Unix with a 286 cpu). : RTS/CTS flow control is the best you can do to prevent data loss. Make sure : the modem is configured for it (as the PPI script does, of course) and that : your cable has RTS and CTS wires and that they go to the right pins on the : far end. However, RTS/CTS still does not guarantee that data won't be lost, : because if the computer is very slow it might fail to fetch byte n from the : UART register before byte n+1 arrives. (Still, it shouldn't be THAT : slow...) I'll try a 25 <--> 25 cable (the last cable was a different one with a few (7) pins soldered and also RTS/CTS... But I was mucho surprised because when the PC was in its prime we used similar (or slower) systems with 9600 lines into terminal servers and no problems... Thanks for the fast response! Spiros -- EMAIL: strianta@indy.net URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta Software Technology Group, Delco Electronics, c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Graduate Student (CEE), Human Factors Engineering, Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Mon May 27 18:32:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA13948 for ; Mon, 27 May 1996 18:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06548 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 May 1996 18:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Date: 27 May 1996 22:32:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4odaho$6cf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <4ocrho$1b9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4od425$ilo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4od425$ilo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Spiros Triantafyllopou wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : So are you using RTS/CTS flow control? If not, what happens when you do? : : No, only xon/xoff. : : I'll try a 25 <--> 25 cable (the last cable was a different one with a few : (7) pins soldered and also RTS/CTS... But I was mucho surprised because : when the PC was in its prime we used similar (or slower) systems with : 9600 lines into terminal servers and no problems... : But Xon/Xoff, used end-to-end, can have a long latency and therefore can be surprisingly ineffective as a flow-control mechanism. Although I still recommend RTS/CTS (and a cable with the wires needed for it) you can also try using Xon/Xoff locally with your modem, rather than end-to-end. You'll need to change the PPI script to send &K4 rather than &K3. That might hold you over until you get a good cable. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 03:24:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07034 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 03:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA17389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 03:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!bofh.dot!hunter.premier.net!bofh.dot!news.stylus.net!imci3!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!commpost!usenet From: Marc Pulido Subject: Problem with redirect rx ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <31A45918.543F@ml.com> Sender: usenet@tigadmin.ml.com (News Account) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Marc_Pulido@ml.com Organization: ml.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:24:56 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Lines: 8 Using kermit (c-kermit 5A190) to dial into a unix box and then download a file using xmodem using "redirect rx download_file". The problem is that although kermit says I connect at 9600 my download time are very low (32min. for a 40Kb file). What's going on??? Thanks In Advance, Marc Pulido From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 04:12:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA11032 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 04:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA18116 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 04:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!commpost!usenet From: Marc Pulido Subject: Problem with redirect. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <31A45826.999@ml.com> Sender: usenet@tigadmin.ml.com (News Account) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Marc_Pulido@ml.com Organization: ml.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 12:20:54 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.4 sun4m) Lines: 12 I'm using kermit (c-kermit 5A190) to dial into a unix box and download a text file via xmodem. Kermit tells me I'm logging into the box at 9600 but when I call: redirect rz download_file I'm getting rediculously low rates (32min. to download 40Kb). What's going on?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks In Advance, Marc Pulido From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 05:27:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA16163 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 05:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA19239 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 05:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 07:49:18 GMT Message-ID: References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <4ocrho$1b9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4od425$ilo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Lines: 21 In <4od425$ilo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Spiros Triantafyllopou writes: > I'll try a 25 <--> 25 cable (the last cable was a different one with a few > (7) pins soldered and also RTS/CTS... But I was mucho surprised because > when the PC was in its prime we used similar (or slower) systems with > 9600 lines into terminal servers and no problems... But did these terminal server deliver sustained 9600 in those days? About a year ago I had to hook up an ancient NCR Tower 600 via a dedicated line to another Unix system. I expected to be able to run about 19k2 over this line. To my surprise throughput never came above 7000 bps, although I used the "high performance" serial i/o of the NCR box and this was the only serial i/o on the system. Boy, we used to have 30-40 users on a box like that. :-) -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 37 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 09:15:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13224 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA12573 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newshub.csu.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!not-for-mail From: bayers@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com (Jim) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 & Unisys Terminal Date: 28 May 1996 05:30:09 -0700 Organization: KAIWAN Internet (310-527-4279,818-756-0180,909-785-9712,714-638-4133,805-294-9338) Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4oerkh$os3@kaiwan009.kaiwan.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kaiwan009.kaiwan.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] We want to connect to a Unisys mainfram from PC's running win 95. TCP/IP is the protocol and UTS60 is the terminal type. Is it possible? TIA -- - Jim From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 09:40:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA16608 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13135 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 09:40:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with redirect. Date: 28 May 1996 13:40:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4oevnr$cp9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31A45826.999@ml.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31A45826.999@ml.com>, Marc Pulido wrote: : I'm using kermit (c-kermit 5A190) to dial into a unix box and download : a text file via xmodem. Kermit tells me I'm logging into the box at : 9600 but when I call: : redirect rz download_file : So is it XMODEM or ZMODEM -- you said "xmodem", but "rz" is ZMODEM. : I'm getting rediculously low rates (32min. to download 40Kb). What's : going on?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. : I'd need to know a lot more about the connection, but the obvious question is why not just use Kermit protocol? It's available for any UNIX variety you can think of, and using will remove the layer of uncertainty. If you were using ZMODEM (or XMODEM?) because you thought it would be faster, you're obviously not getting the results you expected. Read our FAQ about performance: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 12:11:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10183 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA16414 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 12:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hplntx!hplb!hpcpb!mark From: mark@bri.hp.com (Mark Simms) Subject: Kermit on HP150 Sender: news@bri.hp.com (News User) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 28 May 1996 14:39:10 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: vanye.bri.hp.com Organization: Hewlett-Packard Lines: 25 I am currently using a version of Kermit on a Hewlet Packard HP150 computer. The HP150 is an MS-DOS computer that is not IBM compatible. The version of Kermit I have is ported to the HP150 specifically. It gives the following version string: HP-150 MS-DOS Kermit: 3.02 dev 7 Oct 1990 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1990 Is this the latest version of Kermit for this platform? Is there anything in the distribution other than the executable? Is support for this platform still being actively maintained? Is there anyone I can contact for more details? Mark Simms --------------------------------------------------------------------- Name: Mark Simms | Org: Hewlett-Packard Profession: Software Engineer | Computer Peripherals Bristol Unix-mail: mark@bri.hp.com | United Kingdom --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Black and white in a grey world" (Leslie Philips) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed are my own and are not intended to be an official statement by Hewlett-Packard Company --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 13:29:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA20189 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 13:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA18148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 13:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on HP150 Date: 28 May 1996 17:28:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ofd4n$hn0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark Simms wrote: : I am currently using a version of Kermit on a Hewlet Packard HP150 : computer. The HP150 is an MS-DOS computer that is not IBM compatible. : The version of Kermit I have is ported to the HP150 specifically. It : gives the following version string: : : HP-150 MS-DOS Kermit: 3.02 dev 7 Oct 1990 : Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1990 : : Is this the latest version of Kermit for this platform? Is there : anything in the distribution other than the executable? Is support : for this platform still being actively maintained? Is there anyone I : can contact for more details? : We did the port to the HP-150 here a LONG time ago. The HP-150 support was carried forward into versions up to 3.10, March 1991, about the time that our last HP-150 died. You can find the binary in kermit/bin/msvhp1.exe on kermit.columbia.edu. The sources are with all the other MS-DOS Kermit sources in kermit/a, files ms*.asm, ms*.c, and ms*.h. The HP-150-specific sources are ms*hp1.asm. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 28 23:32:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA00542 for ; Tue, 28 May 1996 23:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA03105 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 May 1996 23:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Message-ID: <1996May27.111032.80941@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 May 96 11:10:32 MDT References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 In article <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) writes: > Hi folks, > > I just bought a new modem and retired the old one to the old computer... > But I can't get them to work right. > > Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1 > Modem: Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external > Software: KermitE 3.14 > > I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or > better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR > recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or > better drops characters. The serial port of course is 8250, and no plans > for some savior technology like 16550 are in sight. The very old > documentation I have said that even without flow control kermit can > do 9600, and with flow control 19200 on a 4.77mhz 8088. Mine is > an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. > > I connect to a Xyplex Terminal Server at work, talking to a Unix box. > > Any help would be appreciated! My other system works fine at 28.8 > using Kermit but then it's a 486/33 w/16550a. Thanks! ---------- Characters are dropped because the system is busy doing other things. Kermit can't help with that because it's out of control of Kermit. Recall that "other things" include TSRs, which you say you've tried to avoid (DOS' PRINT command is a nasty TSR), video, disk controller, etc. The speed of Kermit is not an issue; it is the load your system puts on itself that prevents servicing serial port interrupts quickly enough. There are lots of ISA bus serial port boards with 16550A UARTs so you may wish to shop around for one. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 05:15:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA27932 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 05:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA09365 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 05:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeeder.gi.net!news.mid.net!news.creighton.edu!bluejay.creighton.edu!honge From: Psycho Bob Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 02:40:58 -0500 Organization: Creighton University, Omaha Nebraska USA Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <833220494.1336.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bluejay-nfs.creighton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <833220494.1336.0@defsdoor.demon.co.uk> > >I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or > >better but it drops characters like flies... > >an 8 mhz 8086 (yes! :-)) with no TSR's or anything running. > Sounds to me like your PC is too slow for the serial port. Due to the > lack of a buffer on the 8250 if the PC does not collect the data quick > enough it will lose bits. > You will have little - or no - chose but to slow the speed down still. My unbuffered GRiD portable 8086 4.77MHz can sing happily at 9600bps connected to external 14.4 modem without trouble (haven't tried kermit, though). I'm surprised that you get dropped characters with 8MHz 8086... ------------- clip here with virtual scissors -------------- ******************************************************************* Send any interesting roadkills to honge@creighton.edu! Keyboard stuck error. Press F1 to continue. Fax (402) 593-8975 I am among you. Resistance is futile. ******************************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 13:19:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07798 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 13:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07658 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 13:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news1.erols.com!newsmaster@erols.com From: taop@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (taop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help:how do you set different terminal mode when you using kermit? Date: 29 May 1996 14:43:27 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins Univ. Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4ohnqf$skl@news15.erols.com> Reply-To: yuehong@psi.ece.jhu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: as8s39.erols.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6 For example, how do you set the terminal emulation to ansi or wyse 50? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 15:18:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA00195 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA10314 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 15:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help:how do you set different terminal mode when you using kermit? Date: 29 May 1996 19:18:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4oi7ts$a28@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ohnqf$skl@news15.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ohnqf$skl@news15.erols.com>, taop wrote: : For example, how do you set the terminal emulation to ansi or wyse 50? : If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (which does support Wyse 50 and ANSI emulations), the commands are: set terminal type ansi set terminal type wyse50 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 16:20:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08853 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA11733 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix <-> VMS fiel transfer Date: 29 May 1996 17:43:17 GMT Organization: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4oi2bl$49t@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <31AC7C8B.41C67EA6@ms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:128495 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5317 In article <31AC7C8B.41C67EA6@ms.com>, Nina Bhanap wrote: >Hi there > >I am trying to use kermit for: > >Unix -> Vax >vax -> Unix > >Now Unix -> Vax seems to work okay but not the other way around and I'm >not sure why. There are a lot of reasons it might not work from the VAX to Unix, but you don't give us nearly enough information to tell why that might be. At a very minimum, it'd be nice to know the versions of Kermit on each end, the sort of connection between the machines, the commands you use to initialize Kermit, and the error message you get when you attempt the transfer. Probably the most common problem with VMS Kermit is that you are trying to transfer a Stream-LF file (possibly a .ZIP or .GZ file, or maybe a file put onto the VAX from a PC using PATHWORKS?) on the VAX in binary mode to the Unix machine, and the transferred file appears to be corrupted on the Unix machine. C-Kermit for VMS ignores the SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands, and looks at the RMS filetypes to determine whether to send the file in binary or text. It assumes that Stream-LF files are text and will send them that way, even if you really wanted to send them in BINARY. The way to override the automatic file type determination is to tell C-Kermit on the VMS machine to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. All of this is well documented in the appendix of your "Using C-Kermit" manual, by the way. Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 16:23:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09574 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA11754 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on HP150 Message-ID: <1996May28.112810.80973@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 May 96 11:28:10 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article , mark@bri.hp.com (Mark Simms) writes: > I am currently using a version of Kermit on a Hewlet Packard HP150 > computer. The HP150 is an MS-DOS computer that is not IBM compatible. > The version of Kermit I have is ported to the HP150 specifically. It > gives the following version string: > > HP-150 MS-DOS Kermit: 3.02 dev 7 Oct 1990 > Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1990 > > Is this the latest version of Kermit for this platform? Is there > anything in the distribution other than the executable? Is support > for this platform still being actively maintained? Is there anyone I > can contact for more details? ---------- That's the lastest version for the HP 150. Source files are in the Columbia archives (common main body for all MS-DOS Kermits, then HP 150 sepcific files). Maintenance on it ceased in 1990 since there was little perceived demand for that edition, and we have no HP 150 machines in the project. I'm the person writing the code, if you wish to talk about the situation: jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 17:13:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18924 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12868 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! Message-ID: <1996May28.093238.80968@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 May 96 09:32:38 MDT References: <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 103 In article , holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : In article <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk>, skaamjm@ucl.ac.uk (Matthew Moore) writes: > : > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes: > : > > : >>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off > : >>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box. Not having > : >>any luck. > : > > : >>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2. > : >>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup. If I exit dvx, I can > : >>ping the Linux box ok. I tried the following setup: > : > > : >>set port tcp > : >>set tcp pack odi > : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2 > : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 > : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1 > : >>connect > : > > : >>I get "cannot access IP packets". > : > > : >>So I tried doing a packet driver (ne2000). It seemed to initialize OK, > : >>then when I do: > : > > : >>set por tcp > : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2 > : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 > : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1 > : >>connect > : > > : >>I get cannot ARP resolve 150.0.0.1. > : > > : >>What am I doing wrong? > : > > : >>Thanks, > : > > : >>Tim Holmes > : >>holmes@gorilla.nbn.com > : > > : > > : > Neither 150.0.0.1 or 150.0.0.2 appeared to be registered in the DNS > : > so the Addres resolution protocol is trying to look their names, and > : > failing. > : > > : > (You would need to talk to a local network administrator to get you > : > boxes registered). > : > > : > Matthew Moore > > Since I'm the administrator of this two machine network (!), do I have > to set up DNS to get kermit to work? > : ----------- > : 150.0.0.x is also illegal with a subnet mask of 255.255.255.0 > : because it creates a subnet field, the third octet in this Class B case, > : of all zeros. > : Joe D. > > What subnet mask would work? I tried 255.255.0.0, but no go there either. > Sorry for the dumb questions, but I'm having trouble with this one. --------------- None that you have. The rules of the game are like this. A 32 bit IP address can be divided into three fields: a "network" portion whose width is determined by the Class (the top three bits of the first octet), a "subnet" portion which is taken from the third "host" portion and whose width is determined by the subnet mask, and the remaining "host" portion. -->subnetted--> None of the three fields may be all 1 bits nor all 0 bits. 150.0.0.0 is a Class B address, thus the "network" part is 150.0, and the "host" part is the last two octets (from which we will steal a subnet portion). You stole the third octet for "subnet" and it's all 0's. One must not choose IP addresses out of the blue because at some time you will be connected to the world. The RFC's make provision for "private" IP addresses, as follows: ----------- RFC 1597 Address Allocation for Private Internets March 1994 3. Private Address Space The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) has reserved the following three blocks of the IP address space for private networks: 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 We will refer to the first block as "24-bit block", the second as "20-bit block, and to the third as "16-bit" block. Note that the first block is nothing but a single class A network number, while the second block is a set of 16 contiguous class B network numbers, and third block is a set of 255 contiguous class C network numbers. ---------- That much said, let me add a bug report item to consider as well. MSK 3.14 has a filter to reject packets echoed by NDIS board handlers, and the filter resides well above the board hander code. The filter is broken, alas, such that it rejects packets if the first three octets of the MAC (hardware) address of source and destination are the same. Those three octets are vendor idents on Ethernet boards. It's a bug, unpatchable, and the workaround is try boards from different vendors. The cure is to await MSK v3.15 which is in the works. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 17:36:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA21052 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13402 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 17:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!ppp-66-60.dialup.winternet.com!JAMESSTU From: JAMESSTU@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 13:52:20 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <1996May22.152843.27781@ucl.ac.uk> <1996May28.093238.80968@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-66-60.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <1996May28.093238.80968@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >Subject: Re: befuddled by MSKermit TCP/IP!! >Date: 28 May 96 09:32:38 MDT >> : > holmes@gorilla.nbn.com (Tim Holmes) writes: >> : > >> : >>I have been trying to get MSKermit (the latest version just off >> : >>the ftp lines) to do a TCP/IP connection to a Linux box. Not having >> : >>any luck. >> : > >> : >>There are two machines, Linux is 150.0.0.1, DOS is 150.0.0.2. >> : >>The DOS box is running lanwp from a dvx setup. If I exit dvx, I can >> : >>ping the Linux box ok. I tried the following setup: >> : > >> : >>set port tcp >> : >>set tcp pack odi >> : >>set tcp add 150.0.0.2 >> : >>set tcp sub 255.255.255.0 >> : >>set port tcp 150.0.0.1 >> : >>connect >> : > Please note above that the PC is running Lan WorkPlace. Kermit's TCP cannot share the network card with LANWP. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 20:27:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11693 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 20:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16731 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 20:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!drn From: Guest.User@columbia.edu (SAM, C.K.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help:how do you set different terminal mode when you using kermit? Date: 29 May 1996 14:10:45 -0700 Organization: Zippo Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4oiegl$2h5@doc.zippo.com> References: <4ohnqf$skl@news15.erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.114 In article <4ohnqf$skl@news15.erols.com>, taop@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu says... > >For example, how do you set the terminal emulation to ansi or wyse 50? Set term vt320, set term vt100, etc... Rgrds, From news@columbia.edu Wed May 29 20:38:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA12801 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 20:38:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA17007 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 May 1996 20:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: escaping characters...^S^Q Date: 29 May 1996 21:27:48 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu NNTP-Posting-User: jshin what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ? - jae From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 03:24:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA17050 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 03:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA24873 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 03:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!expert.cc.purdue.edu!strianta From: strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4oj46e$slt@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Control: cancel <4oj46e$slt@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 30 May 1996 03:23:14 GMT Organization: Purdue University Computing Center Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4oj4b2$slt@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: expert.cc.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 12:12:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19288 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 12:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA23599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 12:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!cdc2.cdc.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!morgan.com!usenet From: Nina Bhanap Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Unix <-> VMS Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:23:24 +0100 Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY Lines: 27 Message-ID: <31AD771C.41C67EA6@ms.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: wallingford.morgan.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) CC: bhanapn@ms.com Hey all I am trying to do file transfers between Unix and VMS. Now Unix -> VMS works pretty well but VMS -> Unix does not seem to be working at all. The versions I am using are: VMS: kermit-32 version 3.3.117 Unix: kermit_5A This is what happens: On the VMS side I do a 'protocol kermit' and then a 'take ' I then do a \c to return to my system. Once back at my system I do a 'get ' and then I get: ISE and then it returns to my kermit prompt If I try this a second/third/... time I get a T%T%T% (retransmit, timeout) Any ideas? Thanks in advance - Nina -- To The Fullest! From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 13:51:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02535 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 13:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA25731 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 13:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!nntp.uio.no!solace!xinit!newsfeed.tip.net!peroni.ita.tip.net!mikasa.iol.it!news From: "SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.)" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: escaping characters...^S^Q Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:45:16 +0800 Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31AD35EC.2D05@macau.ctm.net> References: <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.106 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) CC: cksam@macau.ctm.net Jae H Shin wrote: > > what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ? > > - jae ^S = 019, ^Q = 017 (Decimal) Cheers, --SAM From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 18:12:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08823 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 18:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02277 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 18:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.corpcomm.net!newstand.syr.edu!usenet From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: escaping characters...^S^Q Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:23:31 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <31adaf31.74576333@128.230.1.4> References: <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: sudial6-232.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) wrote: > >what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ? 19, 17 ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 19:45:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA20352 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 19:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04481 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 19:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!news.er.usgs.gov!usgsnews.usgs.gov!mjpape From: mjpape@usgs.gov () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ^S Date: 30 May 1996 20:27:01 GMT Organization: US Geological Survey Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: dg12dnyalb.er.usgs.gov I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via modem from electronic data loggers. The particular data logger in question uses ^S to initiate the download. When I'm connected through a standard xterm, this isn't a problem, however if I execute Kermit through a telnet session or use the Expect scripting language to start a subprocess, Kermit intercepts the ^S and hangs the terminal. I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck. Is there a way to stop kermit from doing this? Thanks, Mike From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 20:49:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28309 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 20:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 20:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ^S Date: 31 May 1996 00:49:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>, wrote: : : I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via modem : from electronic data loggers. The particular data logger in question uses : ^S to initiate the download. When I'm connected through a standard xterm, : this isn't a problem, however if I execute Kermit through a telnet session : or use the Expect scripting language to start a subprocess, Kermit : intercepts the ^S and hangs the terminal. : : I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are : causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty : settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck. Is there a way to stop kermit from : doing this? : Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", tell Kermit to "set flow none". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 20:53:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28709 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 20:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06625 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 20:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cftnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: escaping characters...^S^Q Date: 30 May 1996 21:18:30 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4ol3b6$j79@samba.rahul.net> References: <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Jae H Shin (jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu) wrote: : what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ? Assuming this is in the kermit group because you are running kermit, you could use "show key" at the kermit prompt, then enter ^s or ^q, which would show you the decimal values. (\19 and \17 for ^s and ^q). -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 30 20:53:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA28708 for ; Thu, 30 May 1996 20:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06623 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 May 1996 20:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!umass.edu!unix.amherst.edu!usenet From: Michael Reilly Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in Win '95 Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 17:38:54 -0400 Organization: Amherst College Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31AE156E.60B6@amherst.edu> Reply-To: mpreilly@amherst.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: bootp119.acc5.amherst.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (Win95; I) I have followed Matthew Moore's directions for installation in Windows '95. I simply copied the ndis3pkt.inf and .386 files into the windows directory and then went to the network control panel, chose add protocol and away it went. After it restarted, I could not telnet from kermit, even though i assigned it an IP address separate from the one assigned to the TCP/IP protocol. I looked in the network control panel and saw that "Virtual packet Driver" had been added as a protocol (good). I selected it and chose "properties." The only property is bindings. The window says to choose the network components that will communicate using this protocol from the list. There is nothing on the list and there is no way to add to it. Under properties for the card itself, all protocols are bound, including Virtual packet Driver. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Michael Reilly Academic Computer Center Amherst College Amherst Massachusetts USA From news@columbia.edu Fri May 31 04:24:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06396 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 04:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA15310 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 31 May 1996 04:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: escaping characters...^S^Q Message-ID: <1996May29.205656.81103@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 May 96 20:56:56 MDT References: <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 7 In article <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) writes: > what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ? > > - jae ------------ Either look in a book or use Kermit command SHOW KEY. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 31 10:12:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA18132 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA10380 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 31 May 1996 10:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!usgsnews.usgs.gov!mjpape From: mjpape@usgs.gov () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ^S Date: 31 May 1996 13:00:25 GMT Organization: US Geological Survey Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4omqh9$899@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> References: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dg12dnyalb.er.usgs.gov fyi, I failed to mention that I had read the manual and tried this solution to no avail... Mike From news@columbia.edu Fri May 31 18:22:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22170 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 18:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA20472 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 31 May 1996 18:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!peroni.ita.tip.net!mikasa.iol.it!unitel-1!shan From: "SAM, C.K." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ^S Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 03:36:13 +0800 Organization: Italia Online Lines: 20 Message-ID: References: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4omqh9$899@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: shan@unitel-1 In-Reply-To: <4omqh9$899@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> On 31 May 1996 mjpape@usgs.gov wrote: > > fyi, > > I failed to mention that I had read the manual and tried this solution to > no avail... > > Mike > > Try to configurate your modems not to use Xon/Xoff, but hardware handahake, this may help..... Cheers, From news@columbia.edu Fri May 31 19:15:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27894 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 19:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA21554 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 31 May 1996 19:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!sgigate.sgi.com!esiee.fr!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.cc.uic.edu!news.wheaton.edu!usenet From: "David B. Malone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Takefile/Scripting Problems Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 13:09:05 -0500 Organization: Wheaton College Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bml_dmalone.wheaton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take file. I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to a unix server. The script functions, but too well. It seems to be looping. When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to the server, but will not run the input/output. However when I close that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the autologin procedure. In other words, it telnets twice, even though only one reference is made to the machine. Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no mention of the server. Any scripting assistance would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 31 19:45:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA01534 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 19:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA22423 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 31 May 1996 19:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Takefile/Scripting Problems Date: 31 May 1996 23:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4oo09j$ls2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu>, David B. Malone wrote: : I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take : file. I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to : a unix server. The script functions, but too well. It seems to be : looping. When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to : the server, but will not run the input/output. However when I close : that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the : autologin procedure. In other words, it telnets twice, even though only : one reference is made to the machine. Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no : mention of the server. : Your script probably has a CONNECT command in it. Take out the CONNECT command, or move it down to after all the INPUT/OUTPUT sequences, as explained in the script programming chapter of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 31 21:10:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA10741 for ; Fri, 31 May 1996 21:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA24095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 31 May 1996 21:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA!uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA!not-for-mail From: klassen@uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: escaping characters...^S^Q Date: 31 May 1996 16:25:55 -0700 Organization: University of Victoria Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4onv63$1tb4@uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA> References: <4oifgk$se0@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: uvaix3e1.comp.uvic.ca jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) writes: >what is the decimal ascii value of ^S^Q ? Since 'S' is the 19th letter of the alphabet, use decimal 19 for control-S. The code for 'Q' is left as an exercise for the reader. Thanks to the designers of ASCII for making it so simple! From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 1 09:36:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20322 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA26099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 09:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!netcom.com!jodell From: jodell@netcom.com (Jake Odell) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit / multi-port cards (?)_ Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1996May23.172812.80806@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 16:08:19 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: jodell@netcom11.netcom.com Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) posted: # In article , jodell@netcom.com (Jake Odell) writes: # > Any body figured out how to use ms-kermit with a multi-port dumb card # > like Digi, WCSC, etc? How do you tell Kermit to chech the vector port # > to see which UART is generating the interrupt? # --------- # You don't because there is no support for vendor-specific serial # ports in MSK. I have none of these boards, nor the public information to # go with them. # Joe D. I have info on some of these cards if you would be interested in adding this type of support for ms-kermit. I think that most if not all of these cards use a port who's address coresponds to the scratch register of one of the uarts as a vector register. The main difference between cards is how the interrupting uart is indicated. If interested, I'll send you what info I have. -- jake@pantheon.us.com jodell@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 1 12:19:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA06429 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29023 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 12:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in Win '95 Message-ID: <1996May30.202050.81217@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 May 96 20:20:50 MDT References: <31AE156E.60B6@amherst.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 In article <31AE156E.60B6@amherst.edu>, Michael Reilly writes: > I have followed Matthew Moore's directions for installation in > Windows '95. I simply copied the ndis3pkt.inf and .386 files into the > windows directory and then went to the network control panel, chose add > protocol and away it went. > After it restarted, I could not telnet from kermit, even though > i assigned it an IP address separate from the one assigned to the TCP/IP > protocol. I looked in the network control panel and saw that "Virtual > packet Driver" had been added as a protocol (good). I selected it and > chose "properties." The only property is bindings. The window says to > choose the network components that will communicate using this protocol > from the list. There is nothing on the list and there is no way to add > to it. Under properties for the card itself, all protocols are bound, > including Virtual packet Driver. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Michael Reilly > Academic Computer Center > Amherst College > Amherst Massachusetts USA -------- Once again, pinpointing what you mean by "Kermit" would help a great deal. Another question, related, is why are you installing ndis3pkt? I will guess that you are trying to run MS-DOS Kermit (version 3.14 is the current release), and if so just what did MSK tell you on its screen? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 1 16:07:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01677 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA03518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 16:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news0.bytes.net!ernie.cybernw.com!usenet From: rwhite@cybernw.com (Richard White) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Scripts Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 18:49:26 GMT Organization: CyberNet NorthWest Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4oq33r$djq@ernie.cybernw.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kermit.cybernw.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I'm looking for some script examples for grabbing a port, setting it to 19200 - 8,n,1 and connecting to a dos based PC via nul modem cable. (Automated transfer of files / statictic gathering). Can anyone help? Thanks in advance! Richard White From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 2 02:01:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA27178 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA14930 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 02:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Takefile/Scripting Problems Message-ID: <1996May31.165415.81284@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 May 96 16:54:15 MDT References: <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 In article <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu>, "David B. Malone" writes: > I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take > file. I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to > a unix server. The script functions, but too well. It seems to be > looping. When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to > the server, but will not run the input/output. However when I close > that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the > autologin procedure. In other words, it telnets twice, even though only > one reference is made to the machine. Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no > mention of the server. > > Any scripting assistance would be greatly appreciated. ----------- If your script said CONNECT then that's the problem. Scripts do not run within terminal emulation (CONNECT) mode. Instead say SET PORT TCP blah, OUTPUT whatever, INPUT stuff, and so on, but with SET PORT TCP appearing first to identify the transport mechanism. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 3 00:27:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA03832 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA28030 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 00:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ^S Date: 3 Jun 1996 02:25:30 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4otieq$bb4@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu NNTP-Posting-User: jshin set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling pine mailer or 'more' session. so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen. any other suggestions? - jae In article <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov>, wrote: >: >: I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via modem >: from electronic data loggers. The particular data logger in question uses >: ^S to initiate the download. When I'm connected through a standard xterm, >: this isn't a problem, however if I execute Kermit through a telnet session >: or use the Expect scripting language to start a subprocess, Kermit >: intercepts the ^S and hangs the terminal. >: >: I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are >: causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty >: settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck. Is there a way to stop kermit from >: doing this? >: >Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", tell Kermit to "set flow none". > >- Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 3 10:11:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02511 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28237 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!hookup!news.dacom.co.kr!bofh.dot!usenet.seri.re.kr!bofh.dot!news.cais.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4otoni$nqm@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Control: cancel <4otoni$nqm@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> Date: 3 Jun 1996 04:13:42 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4otopm$nr0@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca <4otoni$nqm@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> was cancelled from within trn. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 3 10:19:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03796 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28337 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 10:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ^S Date: 3 Jun 1996 10:19:10 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4ous8u$3fs@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4otieq$bb4@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4otieq$bb4@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Jae H Shin wrote: : : set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling : pine mailer or 'more' session. : Different connections use different flow control. Use "set flow xon/xoff" or "set flow rts/cts" to talk to your UNIX host, but see below about how to talk to your data logger. : so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen. : any other suggestions? : If you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff", then the operating system processes incoming Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) characters and you will never see them on the scren. So if you see ^S^Q, it is most likely that the host (or some other box along the communication path) is sending the literal characters ^ and S or Q. But... : >: I'm using Kermit under the DGUX operating system to download data via : >: modem from electronic data loggers. The particular data logger in : >: question uses ^S to initiate the download. When I'm connected through a : >: standard xterm, this isn't a problem, however if I execute Kermit through : >: a telnet session or use the Expect scripting language to start a : >: subprocess, Kermit intercepts the ^S and hangs the terminal. : >: : >: I realize that there must be some settings for the terminal type that are : >: causing this to happen, however after playing around with some of the stty : >: settings (eg. -ixon), I had no luck. Is there a way to stop kermit from : >: doing this? : >: : >Like it says in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", tell Kermit to "set flow : >none". : You can't use Xon/Xoff for flow control and also expect to see incoming Xoff (Ctrl-S) characters as data on the same connection. You must either "set flow none" (in which case you could lose characters) or (preferably, if it is available) use some other kind of flow control, such as RTS/CTS. The fact that your data logger sends Ctrl-S to indicate the start of a download is a pretty good indication that it does NOT use Xon/Xoff flow control, so I don't think "set flow none" should make any difference. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 3 11:17:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12622 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29605 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!morgan.com!usenet From: Nina Bhanap Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Unix <-> VMS fiel transfer Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 10:53:38 +0100 Organization: Morgan Stanley & Co., New York, NY Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31B2B622.41C67EA6@ms.com> References: <31AC7C8B.41C67EA6@ms.com> <4oi2bl$49t@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: wallingford.morgan.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4m) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:128847 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5342 Hey Tim > There are a lot of reasons it might not work from the VAX to Unix, > but you don't give us nearly enough information to tell why that might > be. At a very minimum, it'd be nice to know the versions of Kermit > on each end, the sort of connection between the machines, the commands > you use to initialize Kermit, and the error message you get when you > attempt the transfer. Apparently I am using a really ancient version of VMS kermit; in fact it is not even C-Kermit but kermit-32 3.3.117 On the Unix side I have a recent verison C-Kermit_5A. I have been advised to download a more recent version for VMS from Columbia university so I'm going to do that and hopefully it should solve my problems. Thank you for replying - Nina From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 3 12:16:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20470 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA00882 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.cais.net!mr.net!winternet.com!ppp-66-63.dialup.winternet.com!JAMESSTU From: JAMESSTU@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Takefile/Scripting Problems Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 08:50:43 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu> <4oo09j$ls2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-66-63.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] In article <4oo09j$ls2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) >Subject: Re: Kermit Takefile/Scripting Problems >Date: 31 May 1996 23:44:51 GMT >In article <31AF35C1.8ED@wheaton.edu>, >David B. Malone wrote: >: I would appreciate assistance from a group member concerning a take >: file. I am attempting to run a script that will telnet and autologin to >: a unix server. The script functions, but too well. It seems to be >: looping. When I run the script (kermit take titus.scr) it telnets to >: the server, but will not run the input/output. However when I close >: that initial session it begins another sessions and completes the >: autologin procedure. In other words, it telnets twice, even though only >: one reference is made to the machine. Mscustom and Mskermit.ini make no >: mention of the server. >: >Your script probably has a CONNECT command in it. Take out the CONNECT >command, or move it down to after all the INPUT/OUTPUT sequences, as explained >in the script programming chapter of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". >- Frank My guess is that the user's command is TELNET hostname. The proper command should be SET PORT TCP hostname JamesS From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 3 17:38:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12716 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08312 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!CS.Arizona.EDU!news.Arizona.EDU!jshin From: jshin@aruba.ccit.arizona.edu (Jae H Shin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ^S Date: 3 Jun 1996 18:23:58 GMT Organization: University of Arizona Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4ovaju$u10@news.ccit.arizona.edu> References: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> <4olfm7$6ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4otieq$bb4@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <4ous8u$3fs@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aruba.ccit.arizona.edu NNTP-Posting-User: jshin >: set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling >: pine mailer or 'more' session. >: >Different connections use different flow control. Use "set flow xon/xoff" >or "set flow rts/cts" to talk to your UNIX host, but see below about how >to talk to your data logger. c-kermit on ultrix doesn't support rts/cts h/w flow control.. :( > >: so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen. >: any other suggestions? >: >If you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff", then the operating system >processes incoming Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) characters and you will >never see them on the scren. So if you see ^S^Q, it is most likely that >the host (or some other box along the communication path) is sending >the literal characters ^ and S or Q. > when i set flow none, i never get ^S^Q, but don't get all the screen updates during scrolling, etc.. for set flow xon/xoff, i get all the screen updates, but it kept bothering about extra character inputs(^S^Q)...especially 'more' or some other session which need key input from an user. >: >You can't use Xon/Xoff for flow control and also expect to see incoming Xoff >(Ctrl-S) characters as data on the same connection. You must either "set >flow none" (in which case you could lose characters) or (preferably, if it >is available) use some other kind of flow control, such as RTS/CTS. > >The fact that your data logger sends Ctrl-S to indicate the start of a >download is a pretty good indication that it does NOT use Xon/Xoff flow >control, so I don't think "set flow none" should make any difference. the ^S^Q appears not only initiation of download, but also during normal shell sessions.... - jae From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 3 20:14:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15489 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA12824 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ^S Date: 4 Jun 1996 00:14:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: <4ovv5m$cgm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ol0al$qvh@qvarsx.er.usgs.gov> <4otieq$bb4@news.ccit.arizona.edu> <4ous8u$3fs@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> <4ovaju$u10@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4ovaju$u10@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, Jae H Shin wrote: : >: set flow none causes loss of some characters..esspecially, scrolling : >: pine mailer or 'more' session. : >: : >Different connections use different flow control. Use "set flow xon/xoff" : >or "set flow rts/cts" to talk to your UNIX host, but see below about how : >to talk to your data logger. : : c-kermit on ultrix doesn't support rts/cts h/w flow control.. :( : Ultrix itself doesn't support RTS/CTS flow control :-( Flow control is a function of the device driver and the kernel. : >: so...i need xon/xoff flow, but i don't want to get ^S^Q on screen. : >: any other suggestions? : >: : >If you tell Kermit to "set flow xon/xoff", then the operating system : >processes incoming Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) characters and you will : >never see them on the scren. So if you see ^S^Q, it is most likely that : >the host (or some other box along the communication path) is sending : >the literal characters ^ and S or Q. : : when i set flow none, i never get ^S^Q, but don't get all the : screen updates during scrolling, etc.. : for set flow xon/xoff, i get all the screen updates, but it : kept bothering about extra character inputs(^S^Q)...especially : 'more' or some other session which need key input from an user. : : >You can't use Xon/Xoff for flow control and also expect to see incoming Xoff : >(Ctrl-S) characters as data on the same connection. You must either "set : >flow none" (in which case you could lose characters) or (preferably, if it : >is available) use some other kind of flow control, such as RTS/CTS. : > : >The fact that your data logger sends Ctrl-S to indicate the start of a : >download is a pretty good indication that it does NOT use Xon/Xoff flow : >control, so I don't think "set flow none" should make any difference. : : the ^S^Q appears not only initiation of download, but also : during normal shell sessions.... : Shell sessions? Maybe we should take this offline -- I'm REALLY confused now. Is the data logger a separate device from the Ultrix system, or is it a program that runs on the Ultrix system. Do you have two different connections, or only one connection to both? Or are you going *through* Ultrix to get to the data logger? Send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 4 00:33:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08313 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18631 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit, TCP/IP under Linux / DOSEMU? Date: 3 Jun 1996 23:12:22 -0400 Organization: All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4p09im$s1p@panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com Has anyone ever tried getting MS-Kermit to run under Linux and Dosemu, and if so, is there a way to get TCP/IP to work? The current Dosemu FAQ says that "pdether" can run in the Dosemu environment, though they said to "beware" with TCP/IP access. -- Ed Ravin | In the novel I never wrote, I wanted the hero +1 212 678 5545 | to be a computer programmer because it was the eravin@panix.com | most poetic and romantic occupation I could | think of... -- John Updike, "The Music School" From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 4 03:16:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22074 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA21441 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit on ancient PC Date: 4 Jun 1996 02:36:26 -0400 Organization: All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4p0lha$ok4@panix.com> References: <4ocj0m$98d@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com >From somewhere in cyberspace, strianta@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Spiros Triantafyllopou) said: >Computer: AT&T 6300 (10+ years old, works fine) DOS 3.1 >Modem: Practical Peripherals PPI1440FXMT external >Software: KermitE 3.14 > >I tried all the mantras in the PPI.SCR to connect to work at 9600 or >better but it drops characters like flies. I used exactly what PPI.SCR >recommends (or my interpretation therof :-)) and no luck. 9600 or >better drops characters. The serial port of course is 8250, The only thing "different" I can remember about the 6300 is that it does it's 16-bit I/O with the "wrong" byte order. It wasn't wrong at the time the machine was built, it's just that it was one of the first, before the IBM AT came out, and it was AT&T's luck that IBM did it the other way. I don't think that would make a difference with Kermit's I/O, since the serial port is all 8-bit, but only Joe D. knows for sure. If you get fed up, you can either (a) buy a 16550 I/O card for $30 or so or (b) buy an internal 14400 modem with built-in 16550 I/O for $50 or so. -- Ed Ravin | In the novel I never wrote, I wanted the hero +1 212 678 5545 | to be a computer programmer because it was the eravin@panix.com | most poetic and romantic occupation I could | think of... -- John Updike, "The Music School" From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 4 03:33:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA23323 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA21674 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.onramp.net!usenet From: saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit arp problem Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 04:04:17 GMT Organization: On-Ramp; Individual Internet Connections; Dallas/Ft Worth/Houston, TX USA Lines: 34 Message-ID: <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: stemmons68.onramp.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing almost exactly the same thing. Kermit tries to arp the default gateway, but eventually claims that it can't arp resolve it and gives up. I put a protocol analyzer on the wire, with this sequence of events: Kermit machine: ARP resolve 192.238.56.250 Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX (waits around 0.25 second) Kermit machine: ARP resolve 192.238.56.250 Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX (waits around 0.25 second) ... a total of sixteen times. It looks like kermit is not seeing the returned arp resolution. I have several years experience using ODI for multiprotocol work, so I'm pretty sure that NET.CFG is configured correctly and the basics are OK. I'm using Novell TCPIP.EXE, NetManage Chameleon, Windows for Workgroups TCP32, Windows 95, and TGV Multinet VMS with no problems. Technical details: IBM DOS 6.1 Latest versions of LSL, 3C5X9, IPXODI, VLM NET.CFG configured per the kermit book and readme files Fancy VLM stuff (packet burst, packet signature...) turned off BOOTP assignment of all parameters, using Novell DHCP.NLM The default gateway is a firewall -- BorderWare Firewall server 3.1.1 Ping and traceroute servers are turned on If anyone else has seen this problem, do you see any common factors? ____________________________________________________________________________ Saleh W. Igal (saleh@onramp.net) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 4 11:40:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20310 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19659 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: "Robin Stephens" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sample scripts Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:42:44 +1000 Organization: Integritas Lines: 23 Message-ID: <01bb51f1.cc6bb6c0$7b06848b@schlesie.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc23-slip.ccs-stub.deakin.edu.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1080 Hi, If anyone has sample scrips that: 1. dials from a DOS system into a UNIX system at a set time (eg midnight). 2. transfers files from an upload directory on UNIX to a download directory on DOS and visa versa. 3. if there is a problem it redials and continues where it left off. 4. when done runs a batch file on DOS and a script file on UNIX to do xyz with the data. 5. is reasonably secure. This would save me reinventing the wheel and would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance Robin Stephens From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 4 13:45:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09841 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22108 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sample scripts Date: 4 Jun 1996 17:45:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4p1so6$lip@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb51f1.cc6bb6c0$7b06848b@schlesie.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb51f1.cc6bb6c0$7b06848b@schlesie.deakin.edu.au>, Robin Stephens wrote: : If anyone has sample scrips that: : : 1. dials from a DOS system into a UNIX system : at a set time (eg midnight). : 2. transfers files from an upload directory on : UNIX to a download directory on DOS and visa versa. : Both of these are amply illustrating in the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit" manuals. : 3. if there is a problem it redials and continues : where it left off. : Look on your MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 diskette, in the UTILS subdirectory, for RECOVER.SCR. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 4 17:27:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10611 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26769 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: Kermit arp problem Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 15:59:29 GMT Message-ID: References: <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> Lines: 23 In <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal) writes: > In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a > problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing > almost exactly the same thing. (..) > If anyone else has seen this problem, do you see any common factors? A few years ago (when MSkermit 3.13 was just in beta) I experienced a problem that looked remarkedly like yours. They only anomaly I could find at the time, was that kermit seemed to choke on ARP-responses that were 78 octets long, instead of the expected 60 octes. The work-around we used was to add odipkt to the stack and let kermit run over the packet-driver interface. We still use this trick if we can't get kermit to talk to a Unix host straight over ODI. I'm still not sure if this is a Kermit-problem or an ODI problem. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 37 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 5 08:47:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA08217 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA04260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 08:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit arp problem Message-ID: <1996Jun4.100121.81461@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jun 96 10:01:21 MDT References: <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 In article <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net>, saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal) writes: > In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a > problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing > almost exactly the same thing. > > Kermit tries to arp the default gateway, but eventually claims that it > can't arp resolve it and gives up. I put a protocol analyzer on the > wire, with this sequence of events: > Kermit machine: ARP resolve 192.238.56.250 > Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX > (waits around 0.25 second) > Kermit machine: ARP resolve 192.238.56.250 > Default gateway: ARP resolution -- MAC address is XX:XX:XX:XX:XX:XX > (waits around 0.25 second) --------- We just went through this exercise. Which version of MSK, please? To repeat, if MSK version is 3.14 and the boards on both ends of the connection are from the same vendor and have the same first three bytes of their MAC addresses alike then there can be a failure (bug in MSK). If true then please contact me directly at jrd@cc.usu.edu, else let us know more details, endif. Don't forget that MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address twice as protection against IP address collisions. I gather from your description that Bootp was successfully carried out, which means a UDP/IP transfer occurred both ways. Is that correct? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 5 22:18:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA26218 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA22678 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.serv.net!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit arp problem Message-ID: <1996Jun4.170152.81491@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jun 96 17:01:52 MDT References: <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 In article , kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > In <31b3b0e4.8632940@news.onramp.net> saleh@onramp.net (Saleh W. Igal) writes: > >> In <4ndec3$skd@epx.cis.umn.edu>, mill0440@gold.tc.umn.edu mentioned a >> problem with arp using Kermit's protocol stack on ODI -- I'm seeing >> almost exactly the same thing. > (..) >> If anyone else has seen this problem, do you see any common factors? > > A few years ago (when MSkermit 3.13 was just in beta) I experienced a > problem that looked remarkedly like yours. They only anomaly I could find > at the time, was that kermit seemed to choke on ARP-responses that were > 78 octets long, instead of the expected 60 octes. The work-around we used > was to add odipkt to the stack and let kermit run over the packet-driver > interface. We still use this trick if we can't get kermit to talk to a > Unix host straight over ODI. > > I'm still not sure if this is a Kermit-problem or an ODI problem. > > -- > Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl > | > ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 > PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 37 415 -------------- It's in Kermit. The ODI portion which receives ARP packets expects either packet length from ODI (early MLIDs did not do it because it was not in the ODI spec at that time) or it will calculate a buffer size from the peek-ahead contents of the packet. In the latter case it means ODI will be prevented from delivering a too-long packet into the buffer provided by Kermit. Too-long ARP packets are broken. The Packet Driver dodge eliminates my ODI code and hence permitted delivery. That is not a solution to broken packets but better than nothing. It's not a bug in Kermit. There are other gotcha's on the net too. A number of System 5 based Unices seem to go mute when their default route ARP cache entry is not refreshed from outside; they can't respond. What's true for the default route is also probably true for other routes in the cache. The problem at hand is not of this kind, however, and I await further word from the correspondent. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 6 14:05:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA04460 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04540 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!bofh.dot!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!news.be.innet.net!bofh.dot!INbe.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!nh.acorn.co.uk!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!netcom.com!stanb From: stanb@netcom.com (Stan Brown) Subject: Where to get latest kermit source ? Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:07:32 GMT Lines: 15 Sender: stanb@netcom3.netcom.com Could someone kindly point me to the ftp site where I could get the latest version of kermit ? I plan on compiling it for GP-UX to replace the *very* old version dsitributed with HP-UX. Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I didn't see a FAQ for this group, and as close to the first of the month as it is, if there is one it should have still been cirrent on my news server. Thanks Again. -- Stan Brown stanb@netcom.com 404-996-6955 Factory Automation Systems Atlanta Ga. -- Look, look, see Windows 95. Buy, lemmings, buy! Pay no attention to that cliff ahead... Henry Spencer (c) 1996 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 6 14:55:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA10437 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA05566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get latest kermit source ? Date: 6 Jun 1996 18:54:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4p79hk$5do@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Stan Brown wrote: : Could someone kindly point me to the ftp site where I could : get the latest version of kermit ? I plan on compiling it for GP-UX : to replace the *very* old version dsitributed with HP-UX. : If you have HP-UX 10.0 or later, it comes with C-Kermit 5A(190), which is the current version, already fully installed, by special agreement between HP and the Kermit Project. For earlier HP-UX versions: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku190.Z (or .gz) : Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I didn't see a FAQ for this group, : and as close to the first of the month as it is, if there is one it : should have still been cirrent on my news server. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 6 19:35:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09645 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!EU.net!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!netcom.net.uk!netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: logging keystrokes Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:06:20 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: gerlach@netcom19.netcom.com Hi Fellow Ckermit Users, I am using version 5A(190) of Ckermit. According to the manual the log session command will "copy the characters that are sent to your screen into a file ...". I would like to log the characters entered at the ckermit keyboard to be logged to a file as well. Ideally this would be the same file as the characters destined for the screen. I realize the log session command will record the characters hit at the keyboard if the remote end is echoing, but it is this echoing that I am trying to check. Thanks, Matthew From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 6 19:56:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11408 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA12342 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: logging keystrokes Date: 6 Jun 1996 23:56:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4p7r7d$c1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Matthew H. Gerlach wrote: : I am using version 5A(190) of Ckermit. : : According to the manual the log session command will "copy the : characters that are sent to your screen into a file ...". I would like to : log the characters entered at the ckermit keyboard to be logged to a file : as well. Ideally this would be the same file as the characters destined : for the screen. : : I realize the log session command will record the characters hit at : the keyboard if the remote end is echoing, but it is this echoing that : I am trying to check. : C-Kermit does not have a specific method of logging keystrokes, or of differentiating keystrokes from communications input in the session log. However, if you want to check the echoing, tell Kermit to "set terminal echo on", so Kermit will echo locally. In this case, keystrokes go straight into the session log. If the host is also echoing, you'll get two copies of each. Does that help? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 6 20:52:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA15145 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13448 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 20:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: kjr@panix.com (Kurt Rosenhagen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit for Solaris 2.5 Date: 6 Jun 1996 16:22:51 -0400 Organization: panix Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4p7emr$5b2@panix2.panix.com> I need to get ckermit running on a Tatung Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5. My makefile only lists Solaris 2.0 thru 2.3 using Sunpro or GNUcc. Same with the ckermit source at ftp.columbia.edu. What should I make it for? Is there a ready made binary? I have ckermit compiled on a Sun Sparc 10/50 running SunOS 4.1.3. I tried running that on the Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5. When I've set line and typed "c", it says "Communications disconnect Cant read character Operation would block" Is this indicative of running kermit for SunOS 4.1.3 under Solaris 2.5? -- __________________________________________________________________ | | | Name: Kurt Rosenhagen Email: kjr@panix.com | |__________________________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 7 10:51:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15623 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19014 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit for Solaris 2.5 Date: 7 Jun 1996 14:50:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4p9fkd$ii3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4p7emr$5b2@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4p7emr$5b2@panix2.panix.com>, Kurt Rosenhagen wrote: : I need to get ckermit running on a Tatung Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5. : My makefile only lists Solaris 2.0 thru 2.3 using Sunpro or GNUcc. Same : with the ckermit source at ftp.columbia.edu. What should I make it for? : Is there a ready made binary? : There are ready-made binaries for Solaris 2.4, which should run on 2.5. ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin. : I have ckermit compiled on a Sun Sparc 10/50 running SunOS 4.1.3. I tried : running that on the Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5. When I've set line and : typed "c", it says: : : "Communications disconnect : Cant read character - Operation would block" : : Is this indicative of running kermit for SunOS 4.1.3 under Solaris 2.5? : Yes. They are entirely different operating systems -- basically, one is BSD, the other is System V R4. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). It has some trouble with bidirectional tty devices on Solaris. The forthcoming version is 6.0.192, currently in Beta. The *next* (not the current) Beta edit might include a fix for this problem. Watch this newsgroup for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 8 10:38:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11623 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 10:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05935 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 10:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!resmon.demon.co.uk!Tom From: Tom Holder Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Specialists Wanted!!! Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:09:20 +0100 Organization: **** Lines: 60 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4shmyECw1WuxEwIt@resmon.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: resmon.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: resmon.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 THIS IS A NON PROFIT MAKING VENTURE. PLEASE READ ON... This message is NOT an advert and I'm NOT selling anything. I just want to bring a new service to the internet that will help people. It has been posted to lots of newsgroups but this is necessary for it to work. This will be a 100% FREE service, no one pays anything! Thank you to those people who have already showed interest in the idea. If you disagree with the idea that's fine, but I have had a lot of people saying that it is a good idea so please do not respond unless your interested. The IDEA, I'm collecting the names and e-mail addresses of people who feel they have a good knowledge and interest in a particuler subject/interest. 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Tom Holder Tom@resmon.demon.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 8 13:28:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26629 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09414 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 13:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!netcom.net.uk!netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: logging keystrokes Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <4p7r7d$c1g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:34:57 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: gerlach@netcom9.netcom.com >C-Kermit does not have a specific method of logging keystrokes, or of >differentiating keystrokes from communications input in the session log. > >However, if you want to check the echoing, tell Kermit to "set terminal >echo on", so Kermit will echo locally. In this case, keystrokes go straight >into the session log. If the host is also echoing, you'll get two copies >of each. > >Does that help? > >- Frank Yes, I think this will help. I use C-Kermit as a transport for expect scripts talking to test equipment over async serial, and I want to see what the expect scripts are sending and what the test equipment is sending. Thanks for the help and the great software, Matthew From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 8 19:12:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29774 for ; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15656 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 19:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tezcat.com!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit for Solaris 2.5 Date: 07 Jun 1996 13:06:03 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <4p7emr$5b2@panix2.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.9/XEmacs 19.13 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "KR" == Kurt Rosenhagen writes: KR> I need to get ckermit running on a Tatung Ultrasparc running Solaris KR> 2.5. My makefile only lists Solaris 2.0 thru 2.3 using Sunpro or KR> GNUcc. Use the Solaris 2.3 settings and GCC and it should work okay. [...] KR> I have ckermit compiled on a Sun Sparc 10/50 running SunOS 4.1.3. I KR> tried running that on the Ultrasparc running Solaris 2.5. This won't work; the binary compatability code will only go so far. 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See news.admin.net-abuse.announce, report 19960610.09 for further details From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 10 20:09:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21455 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20449 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!ra.nrl.navy.mil!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!EU.net!chsun!news.eunet.ch!ascomax.hasler.ascom.ch!usenet From: Sandro Morandini Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Including Kermit in a C/C++ program Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:20:47 +0200 Organization: Ascom Hasler AG, Bern, Switzerland Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31BC212F.446B9B3D@hasler.ascom.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) CC: jose@columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5363 comp.sys.hp48:50908 Hi everyone, I'm trying the develop an application for the calculator HP 48SX which should includes some parts of Kermit functionality.I have already done some investigations in using kermit with scripts and system calls from my application but personally I don't like this solution. My aim is to simulate the HP 48SX on a remote PC under MS-DOS using remote hosts operations, therefore I need a C/C++ communication library based on the kermit protocol. Has somebody knowledge of available libraries or sources which may be portable MS-DOS - UNIX? Any help will be appreciated, thank you in advance. ______________________________________________________________________ Sandro Morandini NXPN2 _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ Ascom Hasler Ltd _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Switching Fixed Networks _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ Sandro.Morandini@ascom.ch _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 11 04:31:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA18864 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA00503 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 04:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Including Kermit in a C/C++ program Date: 11 Jun 1996 03:53:32 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4piqjs$jtq@news.iastate.edu> References: <31BC212F.446B9B3D@hasler.ascom.ch> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5364 comp.sys.hp48:50928 In article <31BC212F.446B9B3D@hasler.ascom.ch>, Sandro Morandini writes: >Reply to: Sandro.Morandini@ascom.ch > I'm trying the develop an application for the calculator HP 48SX > which should includes some parts of Kermit functionality.I have > already done some investigations in using kermit with scripts and > system calls from my application but personally I don't like this > solution. > > My aim is to simulate the HP 48SX on a remote PC under MS-DOS using > remote hosts operations, therefore I need a C/C++ communication > library based on the kermit protocol. > > Has somebody knowledge of available libraries or sources which may be > portable MS-DOS - UNIX? Try Usenet newsgroup: comp.protocols.kermit.misc This newsgroup answers any and all Kermit questions; the current Columbia University development team for Kermit (including author Frank Da Cruz) answers most of the questions themselves, so you can't get a more authoritative source than this. ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 11 10:22:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09195 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA24725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!fstgal00.tu-graz.ac.at!not-for-mail From: Bernd Logar Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q}: How to keep vms/vax versions ? Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:29:46 +0200 Organization: Graz University of Technology, Austria Lines: 20 Message-ID: <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: fkphal01.tu-graz.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Hi ! Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files to MS-DOS and keep the version numbers ? eg: dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100 These files should be named on my local machine (MS-DOS) DP1.spc, DP2.spc .... DP100.spc !! How can I handle this problem ? Thanks Bernd -- +++ Dipl. Ing. Logar Bernd | Institute for Nuclear Physics +++ Voice: +43-316-873 8493 | TU Graz +++ Fax : +43-316-873 8980 | Petersgasse 16 / IV +++ Email: logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at | A-8010 Graz +++ http://fkphal01.tu-graz.ac.at:8080 | AUSTRIA - EUROPE From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 11 11:21:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA19801 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26436 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q}: How to keep vms/vax versions ? Date: 11 Jun 1996 14:29:53 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4pjvt1$3bd@news.iastate.edu> References: <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu In article <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar writes: > Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files > to MS-DOS and keep the version numbers ? > > eg: dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100 Let's explain for the "normal" world: VAX/VMS does not replace a file when it re-written, as does every other operating system I know of; it just makes a new copy and adds 1 to the "version number". I spend all my time *purging* these things, while you want to save them! :) Since our old VAX/VMS Kermit-32 does not incorporate a version number into the name under which it sends any file, even if the version number was explicitly given in the SEND command, some renaming is required at either one end or the other of this transfer. At the VMS end, a .COM script might be used to either rename or copy the set of files to a set having the version number incorporated into each name, with suitable gimmicks to deal with the (8,3) MSDOS name limitations; then you could send these, already renamed, to MSDOS. On the other hand, I just tried out a VMS-side "send file.ext;*" with an MSDOS-side "server" command; eureka! -- the MSDOS Kermit, each time it finds a duplicated file name (which will always happen after the first transmission, since VMS will keep using the same file name for all its SENDs), keeps altering the MSDOS "received" file names by replacing some part with an incremented number,just as it always does! Will one of these solutions work for you? ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 12 09:11:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA23936 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA13948 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:11:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!nntp.uio.no!nntp-oslo.UNINETT.no!nntp-trd.UNINETT.no!usenet From: el339@lhg.hib.no Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with HP48G.where do I find information? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:31:23 GMT Organization: UNINETT news service Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4pm2ig$rfq@ole.uninett.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: b06.lhg.hib.no X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am trying to write a program whitch can send data to the calculator HP48G, and I belive the best way to do so is to Use the Kermit transfer protocol. The program is a VB4(prof.edittion), Win 95 program. I guess my ultimat gole is to make a simnuler program to the Link48 program from the Back to school pack (only better). I hope some one can give my, or direct me to information that can put me closer to my gole. (would one use the comm control?) Thanks in advanse. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Espen B. Steinsvik @@Dead crows sings the sweetest song@@ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 12 14:31:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27890 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21308 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 14:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Jim Emett Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need help with kermit and our system Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:27:21 -0700 Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31BEEFE9.264E@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: max2-wc-ca-47.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) I work for a city, and we have a risc 6000 unix box, we are using IBM PC's for the terminals and using kermit to communicate. Currently we are using the DOS based version under WIN95, and after a yet to be determined time period (10 - 20 minutes) we will lose the connection. Any suggestions, could Win 95 own own netware work properly. Any halp would be appreciated, Jim Emett ph3@earthlink.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 12 17:24:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12559 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25185 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.physics.uiowa.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with HP48G.where do I find information? Date: 12 Jun 1996 19:54:17 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4pn799$9q7@news.iastate.edu> References: <4pm2ig$rfq@ole.uninett.no> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu In article <4pm2ig$rfq@ole.uninett.no>, el339@lhg.hib.no writes: > I am trying to write a program which can send data to the calculator > HP48G [which uses Kermit], and I belive the best way to do so is to Use > the Kermit transfer protocol. The program uses VB4(prof.edition), Win 95. > I hope some one can give me, or direct me to information that can put > me closer to my goal (would one use the [VB] comm control?) If a direct answer (as to whether MS Visual Basic's "comm control" or other function has a built-in Kermit protocol) does not appear soon in the "...kermit.misc" newsgroup, then try group "comp.lang.basic.visual.misc" If it is not built-in or in a library you can call directly, then: The definitive specification for the Kermit protocol is given in: "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol" by Frank da Cruz, Digital Press (This statement copied from kermit.columbia.edu :) Frank: What ever happened to the old ascii file which supplied basic Kermit specs (I have a printout on my desk) -- I couldn't find it in a cursory search of , is it there? The HP48 uses only a very basic subset of Kermit -- no "sliding windows" or any of the latest additions -- so it should be simple to deal with. ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 12 18:25:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA22118 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA26501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q}: How to keep vms/vax versions ? Message-ID: <1996Jun11.124427.81700@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Jun 96 12:44:27 MDT References: <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 In article <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar writes: > Hi ! > > Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files to MS-DOS and keep > the version numbers ? > > eg: dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100 > > These files should be named on my local machine (MS-DOS) DP1.spc, DP2.spc .... DP100.spc !! > > How can I handle this problem ? ---------- You could let MS-DOS Kermit handle it, and not be quite so specific about filenames. MSK will numercially label competing filenames, by placing a digit string at the end of the main filename portion. Alternatively, write a MSK macro to get file blah as file local and iterate though the combinations. Substitution variables are nifty replacment items within names. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 10:12:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA02643 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03934 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:12:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hldpub@gramercy.ios.com (Hector Davila) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news.dacom.co.kr!bofh.dot!news.kigam.re.kr!xpat.com!bofh.dot!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: jem@xpat.com Message-ID: Control: cancel <4pomli$d98@news2.ios.com> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Cancelled-By: jem@xpat.com X-No-Archive: Yes Subject: cmsg cancel <4pomli$d98@news2.ios.com> Date: 13 Jun 1996 10:05:51 GMT Approved: jem@xpat.com Lines: 3 Cancelled by jem@xpat.com. 834660351 HLDPLUB Original Subject was: Is your computer being bugged??? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 10:19:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03479 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04091 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.net.uk!btnet!news.euro.net!venus.euro.net!wirehub!Leiden.NL.net!sun4nl!sun4nl!phcoms4.seri.philips.nl!news From: c753330 Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wanted: Kermit for Sinclair QL Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:56:07 +0200 Organization: Philips C&P Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31BFD7A7.3A08@lss.cp.philips.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: spi03.lss.cp.philips.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.03 9000/712) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.sinclair:25202 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5371 Am looking for Kermit executable for the Sinclair QL. Columbia have only the sources (for which I have no compiler, and, without Kermit, wouldn't know how to get 'em to the QL anyway). Is it available somewhere? Would some kind soul be willing to send me a microdrive with kermit_exe ? I'll forward it to the Kermit team if I get it. Regards, Alex Kok (c753330@nlzcl1.decnet.philips.nl) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 10:29:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04687 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:29:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04272 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.alcatel.fr!usenet From: PONTAILLER Laurent Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: file transfer recovery script Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:08:05 +0200 Organization: ALCATEL CIT Lines: 21 Message-ID: <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: nsfhh5.alcatel.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 2) I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under kermit for RS6000 boxes. My problem is that after the connect order in the script there is an input order to wait for the login: prompt of the unix box. It seems that the script is loosing hand on this order. In the paper File transfer recovery you show an example with a modem connection, we are using a TCP/IP connection. script : :NOMSG connect input 15 login: output \%u\13 we are not going after the connect order. Can somebody tells me how to do it ? Thanks a lot From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 10:53:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09591 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04816 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer recovery script Date: 13 Jun 1996 14:52:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4pp9vt$4ls@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>, PONTAILLER Laurent wrote: : I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under : kermit for RS6000 boxes. : : My problem is that after the connect order in the script there is an : input order to wait for the login: prompt of the unix box. It seems that : the script is loosing hand on this order. In the paper File transfer : recovery you show an example with a modem connection, we are using a : TCP/IP connection. : : script : : : :NOMSG : connect : input 15 login: : output \%u\13 : : we are not going after the connect order. : Remove the CONNECT command. As explained in the C-Kermit manual, INPUT and OUTPUT take the place of CONNECT. CONNECT is for people, INPUT and OUTPUT are for scripts that do what the people would have done during CONNECT. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 14:22:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19417 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA09063 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!03-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!fstgal00.tu-graz.ac.at!not-for-mail From: Bernd Logar Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX ! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:25:24 +0200 Organization: Graz University of Technology, Austria Lines: 22 Message-ID: <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: fkphal01.tu-graz.ac.at Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Hi ! Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed correctly (1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!! Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 ! Thanks Bernd -- +++ Dipl. Ing. Logar Bernd | Institute for Nuclear Physics +++ Voice: +43-316-873 8493 | TU Graz +++ Fax : +43-316-873 8980 | Petersgasse 16 / IV +++ Email: logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at | A-8010 Graz +++ http://fkphal01.tu-graz.ac.at:8080 | AUSTRIA - EUROPE From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 15:46:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05075 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA10848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX ! Date: 13 Jun 1996 19:46:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4ppr70$aip@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar wrote: : Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : : : If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed : correctly (1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). If I start kermit and make : a dir, the version numbers containing originally the numbers 8 and 9 are : lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!! : : Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? : : test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 ! : Strange indeed. Which Kermit program are you using, and what version of it? And when you say "If I start kermit and make a dir", what do you mean? You mean if you give a "directory" command at the Kermit prompt? I tried this with both Kermit-32 (version 3.3.128, the last version ever released, many years ago) and C-Kermit (5A(190), the current version), and directory listings are normal; version numbers are shown correctly in decimal. I also tried putting both of these programs in server mode and sending "remote directory" commands to them, and the results, again, were normal. Lots of 8's and 9's among the version numbers. If you can send a more specific report to kermit-support@columbia.edu, maybe we can help better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 16:27:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10658 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA11638 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.exodus.net!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: need help with kermit and our system Message-ID: <1996Jun12.143410.81725@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 96 14:34:10 MDT References: <31BEEFE9.264E@earthlink.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 In article <31BEEFE9.264E@earthlink.net>, Jim Emett writes: > I work for a city, and we have a risc 6000 unix box, we are using IBM > PC's for the terminals and using kermit to communicate. Currently we > are using the DOS based version under WIN95, and after a yet to be > determined time period (10 - 20 minutes) we will lose the connection. > Any suggestions, could Win 95 own own netware work properly. Any halp > would be appreciated, > > Jim Emett > ph3@earthlink.net ----------- Is that 10-20 minutes of no TCP/IP activity at all, or just 10-20 minutes since the start of a session? There are two possible causes for losing a session after 10-20 minutes of inactivity. One is MSK is not responding to the RS-6000 TCP keepalive strategy. Another is the RS-6000 is losing its ARP cache entries and fails to properly refresh them (a fairly common problem among Unices these days). If it's the first case, an MSK affair, then we can offer a possible solution via the pre-alpha v3.15. If the latter, ARP cache, then it's on the IBM side of the house. MSK 3.15, under development, will shortly be opened up for "testing as we go, at your own risk, things can change daily, etc." Before we announce this and where to fetch I need a day to write up what's new and such, and those days are on backorder right now. Jim, if you would contact me directly at jrd@cc.usu.edu let's arrange for you to grab a copy of v3.15 to try. For what it's worth, my student labs use MSK under Win95 heavily every day with no problems. We do not want a TCP/IP stack resident normally because there isn't sufficient memory to hold it and the programs people need to use. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 17:53:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25461 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA13560 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news.bel.alcatel.be!ats.nld.alcatel.nl!vacquier From: vacquier@138.145.209 (Marco Vacquier) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Kermit for Sinclair QL Date: 13 Jun 1996 12:37:17 GMT Organization: Alcatel Telecom Nederland BV Lines: 30 Sender: vacquier@ats.nld.alcatel.nl (Marco Vacquier) Distribution: world Message-ID: <4pp21t$j1k@nlsun1.ats.nld.alcatel.nl> References: <31BFD7A7.3A08@lss.cp.philips.com> Reply-To: vacquier%NLEV00@btmv.bel.alcatel.be NNTP-Posting-Host: nles65.ats.nld.alcatel.nl X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.sinclair:25213 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5377 In article <31BFD7A7.3A08@lss.cp.philips.com>, c753330 writes: >Am looking for Kermit executable for the Sinclair QL. Columbia have only >the sources (for which I have no compiler, and, without Kermit, wouldn't >know how to get 'em to the QL anyway). You'ld be surprised how many compilers there are for the QL. Most QL users use other programs than kermit to let the QL communicate with other non-QL computers. > >Is it available somewhere? Would some kind soul be willing to send me a >microdrive with kermit_exe ? > I think I still have a version of kermit for QL somewhere on a disc from Quanta. Sending a microdrive cartridge, hmmm... I still have some never used ones, but AFAIK, none of my QLs still have their microdrives inside. I do still have a bag with some spare microdrive units, but I don't know which of them still work. At least in the weekends, I'm in the Netherlands. As I read your e-mail address, you're in The Netherlands too... Mail me if you want me to help you come to a solution. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ | Marco Vacquier | This article is based on my own opinion | |vacquier%nlev00@btmv.bel.alcatel.be| and is independent of the opninion of my| | Alcatel Telecom Nederland B.V. | employer. | | The Netherlands | QL stands for Quantum Leap | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 19:36:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA11845 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15660 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!firshman.demon.co.uk!tony From: Tony Firshman Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Kermit for Sinclair QL Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:18:24 +0100 Organization: TF Services Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <$2zCNLAwOJwxEwp0@firshman.demon.co.uk> References: <31BFD7A7.3A08@lss.cp.philips.com> <4pp21t$j1k@nlsun1.ats.nld.alcatel.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: firshman.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: firshman.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 1.12 <++5IPib03shhidXFeK+0cpx6ZH> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.sinclair:25214 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5378 In article <4pp21t$j1k@nlsun1.ats.nld.alcatel.nl>, Marco Vacquier writes > >In article <31BFD7A7.3A08@lss.cp.philips.com>, c753330 > writes: >>Am looking for Kermit executable for the Sinclair QL. Columbia have only >>the sources (for which I have no compiler, and, without Kermit, wouldn't >>know how to get 'em to the QL anyway). QTPI (a pointer driven comms prog for the QL) uses external 'XPR's for file transfer (including Kermit). Jonathan Hudson wrote these protocol files, so he must have something you could use. Try him. He may well read maus.sys.ql.int. They are execables but you will have to ask him how to use them. -- ------------------------------------------------ QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:254/67) (+44)1344 890987 tony@firshman.demon.co.uk TF Services Voice: (+44)1344-890986 Fax: (+44)1344-890987 Holly Corner, Priory Road, ASCOT, BErks, SL5 8RL ------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 20:35:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20366 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX ! Date: 13 Jun 1996 23:47:49 GMT Organization: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4pq9b5$hs6@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca In article <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar wrote: >Hi ! > >Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : > >If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed correctly >(1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). >If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally >the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!! > >Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? Which version of Kermit are you running? Under what version of VMS are you running them? C-Kermit 5A(189) and 5A(190) do not have this problem on my 5.5-1 or 6.2 systems. Neither does Kermit-32 v3.3.128 (which I think was the last version.) Could you also supply the exact commands you issued? In particular, did you issue the DIR command to the local or remote system? Tim. Tim Shoppa, TRIUMF theory group | Internet: shoppa@triumf.ca TRIUMF, Canada's National Meson Facility | Voice: 604-222-1047 loc 6446 4004 WESBROOK MALL, UBC CAMPUS | FAX: 604-222-1074 University of British Columbia, Vancouver, B.C., CANADA V6T 2A3 From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 13 20:36:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA20445 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA16729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 20:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026 Date: 14 Jun 1996 00:36:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 186 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4pqc5n$gam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5380 comp.os.vms:129586 comp.os.aos:757 This is to announce a second Beta-test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, and (not quite Beta) the Apple Macintosh, hopefully to be joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The first 6.0.192 Beta test was announced on May 19; the major new features of version 6.0.192 were listed in that announcement. The big functional changes are: . During Kermit protocol operations, a new "who am i" mechanism by which the two Kermits furnish their system types (e.g. UNIX, VMS, etc) to each other. If this occurs (as it will with C-Kermit 6.0, and the forthcoming versions of Kermit 95, OS/2 Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and Kermit-370), and if the two system types match, then the two Kermits automatically switch into binary file-transfer mode with literal filenames (or, in the case of VMS or OS/2, into labeled transfer mode). Upon exit from protocol, the previous file transfer and naming modes are restored. The other Kermit's system type, if known, is shown on the file transfer display and is also recorded in the transaction log if you have one going. This feature is enabled by default, but can be disabled/enabled explicitly with the new SET TRANSFER MODE { AUTOMATIC, MANUAL } command. For now it only works between two copies of C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta 026. . During CONNECT mode, C-Kermit for UNIX and VMS (as well as the forthcoming releases of Kermit 95 and MS-DOS Kermit) now handles not only "autodownloads", but also "autouploads" via automatic recognition of Kermit packets. Auto down- and uploads are DISabled by default in the UNIX and VMS versions (to prevent confusion when C-Kermit is "in the middle"), and can be enabled with SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD ON. When this is ON, and you tell the remote Kermit to SEND a file, C-Kermit goes into RECEIVE mode automatically, and then re-CONNECTs automatically when the transfer is over. The new "autoupload" feature lets you tell the remote Kermit to GET a file; C-Kermit sends it automatically. . The network directory: It is now set up by the standard initialization file, and has been augmented to work with many network types, not just TCP/IP. In particular, it now allows a full selection of X.25 settings (for Stratus VOS and SunLink X.25 only). SET NETWORK command syntax was changed to SET NETWORK { TYPE , DIRECTORY } (but the old form, e.g. "set network tcp/ip", is still accepted). . DIAL support added for MicroLink modems, plus many fixes and improvements to DIAL display and messages, and a new \v(dialnumber) variable holding last number dialed. Fixes since the first Beta edit include: . A potential fix for the longstanding problems with Solaris Port Monitor. . Numerous compiler-related fixes to make it compile on many more platforms. . Some C-Kermit crashes under obscure conditions (another memory leak plugged, plus an obscure timing problem in the UNIX CONNECT command). . TYPE command fixed in VMS version. . SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY fixed in VMS version. . Default file transfer display style changed to fullscreen in versions that support it, and to CRT in those that don't. . Problems (at least some of them) compiling under Red Hat Linux fixed. . Improvements to handling of filenames in UNIX version when SET FILE NAMES is CONVERTED. Incoming mixed case names are now preserved. And in outgoing filenames, the last (rather than first) dot is preserved, and other dots are changed to underscores rather than X's. . Fix to bug in OUTPUT command that prevented outputting of more than 80 characters. The UNIX makefile has new and/or improved entries for: . Sequent DYNIX/ptx 4.1. . 2.11 BSD on the PDP-11. . HP-UX versions: 5.21 works again; new makefile entries for 7.x, 8.x, and 9.x to get around optimizer bug when compiling ckcpro.c, etc. . Beginnings of BeBox support ("make bebox") .. doesn't quite work yet, stay tuned... Thanks to everybody who provided feedback on the first Beta and/or helped with the second. BUILT AND TESTED ON... Apple Macintosh with Mac OS 6.03. DEC Alpha, OpenVMS 6.2 with and without TGV MultiNet. DEC VAXstation 3100 VAX/VMS 5.5-1 with and without UCX. DEC VAX 4000 VMS 5.5-2 + TGV MultiNet. Data General MV 2500/DC AOS/VS II 2.20.00.39 + TCP/IP. DEC 5800 with Ultrix 4.3. DEC Alpha with Digital UNIX 3.2 DEC MicroVAX-II with Bell Labs Research UNIX 10th edition. DEC PDP-11/44 with BSD 2.11. HP 9000, many models, with HP-UX versions from 5.21 to 10.01. HP 9000 with BSD 4.4-Lite. IBM Power Power Series 400 AIX 4.1. NeXTstation, NeXTSTEP 3.1. PCs with BSDI 1.0-C and 2.1. PCs with Linux, various versions. PCs with QNX 4.22. PCs with SCO Open Server R5.0. PCs with Unixware 2.10. SGI Indigo with IRIX 5.3. Sun SPARC, SunOS 4.1.3_U1. Sun SPARC, Solaris 2.4 with and without SunLink X.25 9.00. THE MACINTOSH VERSION Owing to the still-chronic lack of Macintosh programmers, the Macintosh version remains badly neglected. Reportedly it does not work at all on some Macintosh platforms (it does on mine). It has been updated to the current C-Kermit beta level, but no Macintosh-specific changes were made since the previous beta. WHERE TO GET IT (same place as before): Quick access for Web users: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Follow the "What's New" link (reload if necessary). The new test version is available via anonymous ftp from: kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/test directory tree: kermit/test/text/ Contains individual source files, documentation files, makefiles, etc ftp in text mode. The general formula for getting all the files you need for a particular version is: text prompt mget ck[cuw]*.[cwh] ck?*.* (where ? = v for VMS, m for Macintosh, etc) kermit/test/macintosh/ The macintosh binary as a BinHex 4.0 file, ckmker.hqx, plus accompanying documentation files, such as they are. ftp in text mode. kermit/test/tar/ The complete UNIX sources, makefile, and documentation files as compressed tar archives: cku192.tar.Z (uncompress) and cku192.tar.gz (gunzip) kermit/test/bin/ Individual binaries, all of them used to transfer themselves (in binary mode, of course :-) ftp in binary mode. The READ.ME file in this directory explains what is what (text mode for this file only). As always, the primary documentation for C-Kermit is the book "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the following files, in kermit/test/text/: NEWS.TXT -- announcements ckcker.upd -- documentation for new features. dialing.doc -- new dialing features modems.doc -- new modem support and features ckuker.nr -- UNIX man page ck?ker.bwr -- "beware" file for ?=u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc. ck?ins.doc -- installation instructions for u (UNIX), v (VMS), etc. ckccfg.doc -- configuration options ckcplm.doc -- program logic manual Reports of all kinds -- good, bad -- are most welcome; please send them straight to: kermit@columbia.edu Bad ones tend to come anyway, but if you test this version of Kermit and it's OK, please let us know about that too. Please be specific about your hardware platform, operating system and version, etc. If anybody wants to furnish binaries for this Beta version that are not already present -- e.g. for DG/UX, VMS with other TCP/IP products, etc -- please send email to kermit@columbia.edu. Watch the comp.protocols.kermit.misc newsgroup for further announcements. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone Managers, The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 14 02:12:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00863 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA23284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 02:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: "Robin Stephens" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: output command not working Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:23:18 +1000 Organization: Integritas Lines: 32 Message-ID: <01bb59a9.369fad80$9606848b@rmstephe.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc50-slip.ccs-stub.deakin.edu.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 When I use the following take file there is a pause of 5 seconds then login prompt shows and after 5 more seconds the "no password prompt" error appears. set file type binary cd \rm53\download set input case ignore set output pacing 100 set com4 \x02e8 \5 set port 4 set speed 19200 set flow xon/xoff set term type vt100 set term bytesize 8 :LOOP input 5 login: if SUCCESS forward OK output \13 goto LOOP end 1 {no login prompt} :OK output xxxx\13 input 5 ssword: if fail end 1 {no password prompt} output xxxx\13 Regards Robin Stephens From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 14 09:51:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07514 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA20013 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 09:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: output command not working Date: 14 Jun 1996 13:50:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4prqns$jh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb59a9.369fad80$9606848b@rmstephe.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb59a9.369fad80$9606848b@rmstephe.deakin.edu.au>, Robin Stephens wrote: : When I use the following take file there is a pause of 5 seconds : then login prompt shows and after 5 more seconds the "no password : prompt" error appears. : : set file type binary : cd \rm53\download : : set input case ignore : set output pacing 100 : : set com4 \x02e8 \5 : set port 4 : set speed 19200 : set flow xon/xoff : set term type vt100 : set term bytesize 8 : : :LOOP : input 5 login: : if SUCCESS forward OK : output \13 : goto LOOP : end 1 {no login prompt} : :OK : output xxxx\13 : input 5 ssword: : if fail end 1 {no password prompt} : output xxxx\13 : Assuming this is MS-DOS Kermit trying to log in to a UNIX system, and the dialog is: login: xxxx Password: xxxx Why isn't it working? The script looks right. Maybe the dialog is not what you assumed? Maybe 5 seconds isn't long enough for the password to appear. Maybe the real script is not the same as the sample one shown above. You'll have to debug it yourself. Use "set input echo on" to watch what is happening. Maybe also "set take echo on" and/or "log session". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 14 17:36:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29183 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00272 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!news.uoregon.edu!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer recovery script Message-ID: <1996Jun13.131617.81738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Jun 96 13:16:16 MDT References: <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 In article <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>, PONTAILLER Laurent writes: > I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under > kermit for RS6000 boxes. > > My problem is that after the connect order in the script there is an > input order to wait for the login: prompt of the unix box. It seems that > the script is loosing hand on this order. In the paper File transfer > recovery you show an example with a modem connection, we are using a > TCP/IP connection. > > script : > > :NOMSG > connect > input 15 login: > output \%u\13 > > we are not going after the connect order. > > Can somebody tells me how to do it ? ------------ Scripts do not run within terminal emulation. CONNECT invokes terminal emulation. Use SET NETWORK TYPE TCP, then SET HOST host-name to setup the comms pathway. This is for C Kermit. After that do INPUT and OUTPUT work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 15 04:22:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA19100 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA14769 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 04:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!unixhub!lll-winken.llnl.gov!nntp.coast.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: "Robin Stephens" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: output command not working Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 15:33:43 +1000 Organization: Integritas Lines: 58 Message-ID: <01bb5a7d.c2679240$0f02000a@rana.deakin.edu.au> References: <01bb59a9.369fad80$9606848b@rmstephe.deakin.edu.au> <4prqns$jh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: juno.ccs.deakin.edu.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1080 > : > : set file type binary > : cd \rm53\download > : > : set input case ignore > : set output pacing 100 > : > : set com4 \x02e8 \5 > : set port 4 > : set speed 19200 > : set flow xon/xoff > : set term type vt100 > : set term bytesize 8 > : > : :LOOP > : input 5 login: > : if SUCCESS forward OK > : output \13 > : goto LOOP > : end 1 {no login prompt} > : :OK > : output xxxx\13 > : input 5 ssword: > : if fail end 1 {no password prompt} > : output xxxx\13 > : > Assuming this is MS-DOS Kermit trying to log in to a UNIX system, and correct > the dialog is: > > login: xxxx > Password: xxxx user name and password x'ed out for posting but otherwise correct. > > Why isn't it working? The script looks right. Maybe the dialog is not > what you assumed? Maybe 5 seconds isn't long enough for the password to I tested the dialog from the keyboard first. > appear. Maybe the real script is not the same as the sample one shown above. > > You'll have to debug it yourself. Use "set input echo on" to watch what > is happening. Maybe also "set take echo on" and/or "log session". tried that and the script got to "login:", waited 5 seconds before the "no password prompt appeared. The log file contained only text up to "login:" after I tried "log session. Regards Robin Stephens From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 15 09:29:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28839 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA08329 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 09:29:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!newshub.tc.umn.edu!lynx.unm.edu!news From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX ! Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 06:27:33 MDT Organization: Connemara - Computing for People Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4pua7n$h2m@lynx.unm.edu> References: <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> Reply-To: dmckeon@swcp.com NNTP-Posting-Host: chtm.eece.unm.edu X-Copyright: Copyright 1996 by Denis McKeon X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.0.1 12/13/89) Status: OR [followup both posted and mailed to poster] In <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar wrote: >Hi ! > >Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : > >If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed correctly >(1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). >If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally >the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!! > >Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? > >test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 ! Perhaps the Kermit session has a screen width set to something wider than 80, and the file names with 8s and 9s are output normally, but are not wrapped onto the 80 char screen? -- Denis McKeon dmckeon@swcp.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 15 11:22:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11667 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA10412 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Graham Underwood <100121.3564@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.sys.sinclair,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: Kermit for Sinclair QL Date: 15 Jun 1996 12:36:11 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4puanr$l3q$1@mhadg.production.compuserve.com> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.sinclair:25268 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5386 A Kermit xpr library is available for the excelent QTPI coms prog by J. Hudson. This is public domain and widely available. GrahamU \exit -- GrahamU From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 15 18:59:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA12917 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA19274 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q}: How to keep vms/vax versions ? Date: 15 Jun 1996 20:47:18 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4pv7gm$poa@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <31BD74CA.167E@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Bernd Logar (logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at) wrote: : Hi ! : Does anybody outthere know or have a macro/program to transfer VMS files to MS-DOS and keep : the version numbers ? : eg: dop.spc;1 dop.spc;2 .... dop.spc;100 : These files should be named on my local machine (MS-DOS) DP1.spc, DP2.spc .... DP100.spc !! : How can I handle this problem ? I handled it about four years ago by installing an OS that can handle long file names. In my case this was and is OS/2, but Linux can do the same thing. I do this on a 386dx40 with 16 MB of memory, but I have also a 386dx25 w. 8 MB around running it. It is also very nice to handle RCS file names (file.tex,v for instance). Kind regards. Stefan : Thanks : Bernd : : -- : +++ Dipl. Ing. Logar Bernd | Institute for Nuclear Physics : +++ Voice: +43-316-873 8493 | TU Graz : +++ Fax : +43-316-873 8980 | Petersgasse 16 / IV : +++ Email: logar@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at | A-8010 Graz : +++ http://fkphal01.tu-graz.ac.at:8080 | AUSTRIA - EUROPE -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 15 20:39:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA26552 for ; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA21429 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 20:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with dir on an VMS/VAX ! Message-ID: <1996Jun14.172312.8798@ais> Date: 14 Jun 96 17:23:12 EST References: <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 19 In article <31C040F4.41C6@ifk.tu-graz.ac.at>, Bernd Logar writes: > Hi ! > > Strange things happen on my VAX/VMS : > > If I list a directory under normal login, the version numbers are listed > correctly (1,2,3 ... 7,8,9,10...77,78,79..). > If I start kermit and make a dir, the version numbers containing originally > the numbers 8 and 9 are lost (1,2,3 ...7,10,11,...77,100,101...) !!!!! > > Seems to be an octal system ! How can I handle this problem ? > > test.log;8 should be always test.log;8 and not under kermit test.log;10 ! Are you sure that you're using VAX/VMS Kermit and not PDP-11 RSX Kermit under the PDP-11 emulation mode? That would explain the octal version numbers since that's what the old RSX systems used. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 16 16:12:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15043 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01554 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!world1.bawave.com!news.clark.net!mr.net!news.mid.net!news.cjnetworks.com!topeka!tdsmith From: tdsmith@cjnetworks.com (Troy Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC internal port miswired? Date: 16 Jun 1996 19:17:56 GMT Organization: Capital Journal Networks Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4q1ml4$1rd@topeka.cjnetworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: topeka.cjnetworks.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit v 3.14 pl0 to connect two machines via null modem, but am not having much luck. I believe that I have a mis-wired 25-pin serial port on one of the machines, but I'm not sure. In looking at a known good 9-pin port connector and comparing that to the signal chart on p. 269 of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, it would appear that the following should be true of a properly-wired 25-pin connector: Ribbon conductor Pin number 1 8 2 3 3 2 4 20 5 7 6 6 7 4 8 5 9 22 but this is what I have: Ribbon conductor Pin number 1 8 2 6 3 3 4 4 5 2 6 5 7 20 8 22 9 7 Now, before I break out the soldering iron, would someone here who knows for sure be kind enough to tell me whether this port is mis-wired or not? I know that the ports are good at the card, since a mouse will work on either one (with a 9-pin connector) and I can get characters to echo when using kermit with a homemade loopback plug (that connects directly to the pins on the serial card), so I'm now concentrating on the 25-pin plug itself. Thanks, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 16 18:24:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA02761 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA05031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.cloud9.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!news.ping.at!usenet From: Teufel Martin Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for WIN95 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 15:45:57 +0200 Organization: Ing. W. Teufel & Co Ges.m.b.H. Lines: 2 Message-ID: <31C41015.7971@ping.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: s13.grz1.austria.eu.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win95; I) Where can I get a Demo-Version or Full-Version of Kermit for WIN95 for testing? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 03:39:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA09870 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 03:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA15526 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 03:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!robodude From: robodude@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (z.s.z.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit on SGI Date: 17 Jun 1996 04:28:56 GMT Organization: Homewood Academic Computing, Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, Md, USA Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4q2mu8$8dg@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.2.5 I would like to use Ckermit as a terminal program on an SGI but use zmodem to do transfers. First of all, is this even possible? Secondly, if it is, how would I go about doing it? I tried the following (which didn't work): dial into a unix system via kermit (i.e. set modem usr, set speed 38400, set line /dev/ttyf2), run "sz " on the remote system, get back to the local kermit shell and issue "redirect rz". Why doesn't this work? According to the kermit help file, redirect should redirect the input/output from the given command to the connected line. Or does anyone else know of another terminal program that permits me to use ymodem or zmodem on an SGI? y-/zmodem is essential for this task, as the other system (PC based) only supports these transfer protocols. By the way, I am currently using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Silicon Graphics IRIX 5.1. Please reply via email if possible. -- __ // -/_)_ ( _ __) __)___ // http://jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu/~robodude _/ \(_)_)_)_/(_/_/(-__/(___________________________________________________ From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 05:16:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18633 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 05:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA16898 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 05:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.alcatel.fr!usenet From: PONTAILLER Laurent Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer recovery script Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:32:29 +0200 Organization: ALCATEL CIT Lines: 46 Message-ID: <31C50A0D.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> References: <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> <4pp9vt$4ls@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nsfhh5.alcatel.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; AIX 2) Frank Thank you veru much for your answer about my script, now it is working for it main part. I do apologize for not having the documentation but I get your book KERMIT a file transfer protocol, and i am waiting for my order of the manual (they told me about 3 weeks delay). So as we are testing the usability of kermit for our transfert from ALCATEL to our subsidaries all over the world i have to do the necessary script without the manual. In writing the script I have another problem, when all the retries and timeout failed because of a true anomaly in the physical link I can't manage to restart the protocol. Ther is always some caracters in the pipe and I can't manage to login. :LOOP echo echec du transfert echo nouvelle tentative dans 10 minutes sleep \%t clear echo le clear est fait ; :NOMSG ; input 30 login: ; attente du prompt unix this sequence always fail in timeout on input Is there something missing to be able to restart the transfert ? Thanks a lot Laurent Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>, > PONTAILLER Laurent wrote: > : I am having a problem to write a file transfer recovery script under > : kermit for RS6000 boxes. : we are not going after the connect order. > : > Remove the CONNECT command. As explained in the C-Kermit manual, INPUT > and OUTPUT take the place of CONNECT. CONNECT is for people, INPUT and > OUTPUT are for scripts that do what the people would have done during > CONNECT. > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 08:15:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA17570 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA08800 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!rutgers!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!terry From: terry@spcvxa.spc.edu (Terry Kennedy, Operations Mgr.) Subject: Re: PC internal port miswired? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu References: <4q1ml4$1rd@topeka.cjnetworks.com> Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) X-Nntp-Posting-User: TERRY Organization: St. Peter's College, US Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:19:45 GMT Message-ID: <1996Jun17.051945.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 19 In article <4q1ml4$1rd@topeka.cjnetworks.com>, tdsmith@cjnetworks.com (Troy Smith) writes: > Now, before I break out the soldering iron, would someone here who knows > for sure be kind enough to tell me whether this port is mis-wired or not? > I know that the ports are good at the card, since a mouse will work on > either one (with a 9-pin connector) and I can get characters to echo when > using kermit with a homemade loopback plug (that connects directly to the > pins on the serial card), so I'm now concentrating on the 25-pin plug > itself. There are a number of different standards for cabling the header connector on a motherboard/expansion card to the 9- or 25-pin RS-232 connector. The two most common are the "Everex" and IBM wiring schemes, although there are others. If you're using some cables you scrounged out of the parts box, you may want to see if you have any around of the other types and see if they work better for you. Terry Kennedy Operations Manager, Academic Computing terry@spcvxa.spc.edu St. Peter's College, Jersey City, NJ USA +1 201 915 9381 (voice) +1 201 435-3662 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 09:14:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24179 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA09878 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!ubnsrv.unisource.ch!peroni.ita.tip.net!mikasa.iol.it!news From: "SAM, Chi-Kin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC internal port miswired? Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:21:23 +0800 Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 57 Message-ID: <31C4A503.16ED@macau.ctm.net> References: <4q1ml4$1rd@topeka.cjnetworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.101 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Troy Smith wrote: > > I'm trying to use MS-DOS Kermit v 3.14 pl0 to connect two machines via > null modem, but am not having much luck. I believe that I have a > mis-wired 25-pin serial port on one of the machines, but I'm not sure. > In looking at a known good 9-pin port connector and comparing that to > the signal chart on p. 269 of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, it would appear that > the following should be true of a properly-wired 25-pin connector: > > Ribbon conductor Pin number > 1 8 > 2 3 > 3 2 > 4 20 > 5 7 > 6 6 > 7 4 > 8 5 > 9 22 > > but this is what I have: > > Ribbon conductor Pin number > 1 8 > 2 6 > 3 3 > 4 4 > 5 2 > 6 5 > 7 20 > 8 22 > 9 7 > > Now, before I break out the soldering iron, would someone here who knows > for sure be kind enough to tell me whether this port is mis-wired or not? > I know that the ports are good at the card, since a mouse will work on > either one (with a 9-pin connector) and I can get characters to echo when > using kermit with a homemade loopback plug (that connects directly to the > pins on the serial card), so I'm now concentrating on the 25-pin plug > itself. > > Thanks, > > Troy Smith After take a careful looking into the diagrams, I must say the first one should ne the corrected one. Cheers, --SAM -- ==================================================================== SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU Tel: +(853) 963609 Fax: +(853) 511456 PGP key available via email e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net AT&Tmail: !hermestech ==================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 10:27:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11386 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit on SGI Date: 17 Jun 1996 10:26:40 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4q3pv0$b03@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4q2mu8$8dg@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4q2mu8$8dg@news.jhu.edu>, z.s.z. wrote: : I would like to use Ckermit as a terminal program on an SGI but use zmodem : to do transfers. : : First of all, is this even possible? : Yes, but... : Secondly, if it is, how would I go about doing it? I tried the following : (which didn't work): dial into a unix system via kermit (i.e. set modem : usr, set speed 38400, set line /dev/ttyf2), run "sz " on the : remote system, get back to the local kermit shell and issue "redirect rz". : Why doesn't this work? According to the kermit help file, redirect : should redirect the input/output from the given command to the : connected line. : You did it right. The problem is that your copy of sz and rz do not allow themselves to be redirected. That is, they do not use file descriptors 0 and/or 1 for file transfer. See the ckurzsz.ini file for further information. : Or does anyone else know of another terminal program that permits me to : use ymodem or zmodem on an SGI? y-/zmodem is essential for this task, as : the other system (PC based) only supports these transfer protocols. : If C-Kermit can't do it, then neither can other program. If you want to use C-Kermit (or any other program) as a "front end" to rz/sz, you'll need to contact Omen Technology and obtain a copy of rz/sz or Professional YAM or whatever the appropriate product is, that allows itself to be redirected. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 10:34:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13177 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer recovery script Date: 17 Jun 1996 14:34:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4q3qd3$b75@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31C004A5.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> <4pp9vt$4ls@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31C50A0D.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31C50A0D.41C6@ln.cit.alcatel.fr>, PONTAILLER Laurent wrote: : In writing the script I have another problem, when all the retries and : timeout failed because of a true anomaly in the physical link I can't : manage to restart the protocol. Ther is always some caracters in the : pipe and I can't manage to login. : : :LOOP : echo echec du transfert : echo nouvelle tentative dans 10 minutes : sleep \%t : clear : echo le clear est fait : ; : :NOMSG : ; : input 30 login: ; attente du prompt unix : : this sequence always fail in timeout on input : : Is there something missing to be able to restart the transfert ? : Maybe you should remove the CLEAR command. If the login: prompt is already "in the pipe", the CLEAR command will discard it, and so the "input 30 login:" command will never find it. Script-writing is not an exact science -- commands like PAUSE and CLEAR are sometimes needed for mysterious reasons, and sometimes they must not be there; trial-and-error replaces the scientific method here :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 13:10:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11096 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA15010 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!bofh.dot!usenet.seri.re.kr!bofh.dot!news.cais.net!mr.net!news.mid.net!news.cjnetworks.com!topeka!tdsmith From: tdsmith@cjnetworks.com (Troy Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC internal port miswired? Date: 17 Jun 1996 14:30:26 GMT Organization: Capital Journal Networks Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4q3q62$iqe@topeka.cjnetworks.com> References: <4q1ml4$1rd@topeka.cjnetworks.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: topeka.cjnetworks.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Many thanks to all who replied. I had no idea that one needed to know the pinout on the card header. From what I can tell, the manufacturer installed an incompatible connector in the box when new, since I never was able to get that connector to function properly. I wired a spare connector in such a way that it corresponded to the wiring of a known good 9-pin connector and kermit works just fine now. Thanks again, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 16:53:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18307 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20230 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!nntp.coast.net!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news2.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: hashmi@cnj.digex.net (Atiqullah Hashmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with writing "P" into the port Date: 17 Jun 1996 15:10:46 -0400 Organization: Express Access Online Communications, New Jersey, USA Lines: 46 Distribution: na Message-ID: <4q4ajm$nev@cnj.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cnj.digex.net Hi, This is not a Kermit protocol question, but I considered this to be the best place to expect any answer to my question. I am implementing a simple protocol(called TAP) for paging. I dial-in to a paging service via modem and send/receive some char. streams. At one point, I have to send this: PG1000000 and in response receive where I have #define'd ESC as 0x1B , ACK as 0x06 etc. Here is how I am doing it: int len=0; char sbuf[500], ebuf[500]; sbuf[len++] = ESC; strncpy(sbuf+len, "PG1000000", strlen("PG1000000")); len += strlen("PG1000000"); sbuf[len++] = CR; sbuf[len] = '\0'; ebuf[0] = ACK; ebuf[1] = '\0'; cout << "sbuf=" << sbuf << "; ebuf=" << ebuf << endl; ---(1) sendAndExpect(sbuf, ebuf); //writes to modem and receives chars The program hangs at line(1) i.e. sbuf= such that even ^C and ^Z don't work and I have to close that window. Even if I comment out line(1), it hangs when writes to the port. It seems that P (in PG1000000) is a bad combination since replacing P with p, at least it didn't hang. Is that right ? What is wrong here ? (Note that protocol spec. doesn't say I have to convert control chars. to printable ASCII chars.) AH From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 17 17:34:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA25264 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA21544 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with writing "P" into the port Date: 17 Jun 1996 21:33:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Distribution: na Message-ID: <4q4ivm$l10@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4q4ajm$nev@cnj.digex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4q4ajm$nev@cnj.digex.net>, Atiqullah Hashmi wrote: : It seems that P (in PG1000000) is a bad combination : since replacing P with p, at least it didn't hang. Is that right ? ESC P is the beginning of a Device Control String to ANSI style terminals such as the VTxxx series. More than likely your problem is not being caused by writing ESC P to the port but by your attempt to debug your program by sending the ESC P to your terminal screen. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 18 20:25:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22294 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA14982 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:25:07 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!imp.ch!sunqbc.risq.net!hobbit.ireq.ca!news From: Gilles Ratel Subject: kermit Win95: client mode? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc_ratel.ireq.ca Message-ID: <01bb5d14.b3916540$223f13cc@pc-ratel.ireq.ca> Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Organization: Hydro-Quebec, Montreal, Canada X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:46:58 GMT Lines: 12 At home I use client program( via modem): Web browser, FTP, news reader etc. (I use Slirp solftware) Possible use Kermit Win95 with other client? (i.e Web browser + Kermit) thanks, Gilles Ratel email: ratel@ccfm.ireq.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 18 20:42:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25869 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA15399 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 20:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit Win95: client mode? Date: 19 Jun 1996 00:42:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4q7id6$f15@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb5d14.b3916540$223f13cc@pc-ratel.ireq.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb5d14.b3916540$223f13cc@pc-ratel.ireq.ca>, Gilles Ratel wrote: : : At home I use client program( via modem): Web browser, FTP, news reader : etc.: (I use Slirp solftware) : : Possible use Kermit Win95 with other client? (i.e Web browser + Kermit) : Kermit 95 is a normal 32-bit Winsock client, just like Netscape, Internet Explorer, FTP, news readers, etc, so if you can use them, you can also use Kermit 95. Since it shares the same TCP/IP stack as the other client applications, you can use it at the same time as you use the other applications. You can also use it as the Telnet helper application for your Web browser. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 01:13:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA26010 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA21153 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Greek in terminal emulation Date: 19 Jun 1996 02:14:27 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4q7nq3$ft7$2@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> I've run into a problem with Kermit-MS v3.14, which I recently installed as a terminal emulator (upgrading finally from v3.10). I run two separate COM ports (COM2 and COM4) to a DEC PDP/11 machine running RSTS. The IRQ and address settings haven't been a problem; data back and forth transfers with only rare hiccups. The problem is that sometimes (not always), when I start up Kermit on COM4, the terminal emulator starts up using a Greek character set (literally Greek: P is pi, A is alpha, etc.). The startup routines for COM2 & COM4 (initiated with -F xxx; port settings are in a small initial file, then common settings are called from each initial file) are identical except for the different port settings and the fact that COM2 runs at 9600 baud while COM4 runs at 19200. Typically, if I shut down Kermit and restart, it comes up with a normal ASCII character set. When I SHOW TERM, the terminal character-set is listed as Latin1 whether I get Greek or Roman characters. I have no recollection of this happening in five years of using v3.10. Any ideas on where this is coming from and/or what I can do to prevent it? Kelvin Smith From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 04:34:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA17488 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA24255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 04:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!van.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!uunet!in2.uu.net!li.net!usenet From: ngstatte@li.net (Norbert M. Gstattenbauer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need file transfer software (KERMIT?) for VAX/VMS V5.5. Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:19:49 GMT Organization: LI Net (Long Island Network) Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4q6ojf$4g6@linet06.li.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lieuser10.li.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I am looking for VAX-to-PC file transfer software to accomplish a simple VAX-to-PC ASCII file upload/download using a modem connection. KERMIT seems to be the protocol of choice, but I am open for any other solution. The file transfer software is to run on a VAX 3100-80 under VMS V5.5-2H4. Available tape drives are a TK50 and TLZ04 with the TLZ04 being the preferred I/O device. Since there is no compiler available on the VAX I would require executable binaries. KEA! 420 V4.20 software is used on the PC side. Since I am a novice in VAX-to-PC file transfers ease of installation and operation is very important for me. Where could I obtain KERMIT software meeting above requirements? You may send responses via e-mail. Thank you kindly for your help. Norbert M. Gstattenbauer. e-mail: ngstatte@li.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 08:50:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23231 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA17470 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help about the SERVER option Date: 19 Jun 1996 08:45:35 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 61 Message-ID: <4q8enf$jje@news.iastate.edu> References: <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu In article <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de>, tm@Informatik.TU-Cottbus.DE (Torsten Mielke) writes: > Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for? Without SERVER mode, a command must be issued on each of the two systems for each transfer: System A <----------------------------> System B Send xxxx ........................> Receive ... ... Receive <........................ Send yyyy ... ... Using SERVER mode, one system automatically responds to a series of commands from the other: System A <----------------------------> System B SERVER Remote DIR <......................... (sends directory) Send xxxx .........................> (receives xxxx) Get yyyy <......................... (sends yyyy) Finish (server mode ends) (or) Bye (logs out) Typical use: System A System B CONNECT (become a terminal) Login: myaccount Passwd: mypasswd % KERMIT Kermit-XX> SERVER (Escape to Kermit mode) REMOTE DIR (see results) SEND xxxx ........> GET yyyy.* <........ BYE or: CONNECT Login: myaccount Passwd: mypasswd % KERMIT Kermit-XX> SEND yyyy.* (Escape to Kermit mode) SERVER <......(yyyy.*)...... ^C CONNECT Kermit-XX> QUIT % LOGOUT Login: ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 08:50:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA23234 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA17468 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 08:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sol.net!newspump.sol.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help about the SERVER option Date: 19 Jun 1996 08:26:13 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4q8dj5$jje@news.iastate.edu> References: <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu In article <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de>, tm@Informatik.TU-Cottbus.DE (Torsten Mielke) writes: > Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for? Without SERVER mode, a command must be issued on each of the two systems for each transfer: System A <----------------------------> System B Send xxxx ........................> Receive ... ... Receive <........................ Send yyyy ... ... Using SERVER mode, one system automatically responds to a series of commands from the other: System A <----------------------------> System B SERVER Remote DIR <......................... (sends directory) Send xxxx .........................> (receives xxxx) Get yyyy <......................... (sends yyyy) Finish (server mode ends) (or) Bye (logs out) ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers ( jhmeyers@mum.edu ) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 09:41:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA00974 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA18496 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 09:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need file transfer software (KERMIT?) for VAX/VMS V5.5. Date: 19 Jun 1996 13:40:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4q900g$i1p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4q6ojf$4g6@linet06.li.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4q6ojf$4g6@linet06.li.net>, Norbert M. Gstattenbauer wrote: : I am looking for VAX-to-PC file transfer software to accomplish a : simple VAX-to-PC ASCII file upload/download using a modem connection. : KERMIT seems to be the protocol of choice, but I am open for any : other solution. : : The file transfer software is to run on a VAX 3100-80 : under VMS V5.5-2H4. Available tape drives are a TK50 and TLZ04 with : the TLZ04 being the preferred I/O device. : Since there is no compiler available on the VAX I would require : executable binaries. : You can get VMS C-Kermit (including the binary) from us on TK50 cartridge. : Where could I obtain KERMIT software meeting above requirements? : : You may send responses via e-mail. : Will do. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 10:01:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04381 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18952 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 10:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek in terminal emulation Date: 19 Jun 1996 14:00:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-ID: <4q916a$if8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4q7nq3$ft7$2@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4q7nq3$ft7$2@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : I've run into a problem with Kermit-MS v3.14, which I recently : installed as a terminal emulator (upgrading finally from v3.10). : I run two separate COM ports (COM2 and COM4) to a DEC PDP/11 : machine running RSTS. The IRQ and address settings haven't been : a problem; data back and forth transfers with only rare hiccups. : : The problem is that sometimes (not always), when I start up : Kermit on COM4, the terminal emulator starts up using a Greek : character set (literally Greek: P is pi, A is alpha, etc.). : The startup routines for COM2 & COM4 (initiated with -F xxx; : port settings are in a small initial file, then common settings : are called from each initial file) are identical except for : the different port settings and the fact that COM2 runs at 9600 : baud while COM4 runs at 19200. Typically, if I shut down Kermit : and restart, it comes up with a normal ASCII character set. : : When I SHOW TERM, the terminal character-set is listed as Latin1 : whether I get Greek or Roman characters. I have no recollection : of this happening in five years of using v3.10. Any ideas on where : this is coming from and/or what I can do to prevent it? : First, let's rule out the possibility that somehow a different code page is being loaded. In a session in which you are seeing Greek, what happens if you type "run chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt? I expect it will say that your code page is 437, which does include some Greek characters. Second, what about your PARITY and TERMINAL BYTESIZE settings? For using RSTS/E, I expect they should be NONE and 7, respectively (I don't remember RSTS that well -- maybe it needs EVEN parity). So if your code page is 437 and your communications are 7-bit, you should not see any Greek. If you are, my next guess would be that somebody is playing an elaborate trick on you. Because if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET is LATIN1, there is no way you would ever see a Greek character on your screen, except lowercase mu, which is the only Greek character that is part of Latin Alphabet 1. (But if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET is TRANSPARENT then you could see some Greek if your code page is 437.) Such a trick could be accomplished by loading a nonstandard font that had Greek characters in the ASCII positions, or by using SET TRANSLATE INPUT commands in some file that MS-DOS Kermit is executing. So after SET PORT COM4 and seeing Greek, escape back to the MS-Kermit> prompt and look carefully at what is reported by SHOW TERMINAL and SHOW COMMUNICATIONS. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 12:19:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA01788 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA21828 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e2a.gnn.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: rsvpdq@aol.com (Rsvpdq) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: $$$focus groups Date: 18 Jun 1996 20:04:09 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. 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Call SCG Research (212) 924-8499 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 13:01:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA14806 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA22689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!zib-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news.dfn.de!news.tu-cottbus.de!ir!tm From: tm@Informatik.TU-Cottbus.DE (Torsten Mielke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Need help about the SERVER option Date: 14 Jun 1996 08:42:57 GMT Organization: UCS, TECHNICAL UNIVERSITY at COTTBUS (FRG) Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: ir.informatik.tu-cottbus.de X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi Everybody. Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for? I would need a little bit detailed instructions. Thanks Torsten Mielke tm@informatik.tu-cottbus.de From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 13:45:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23069 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA23760 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.dacom.co.kr!bofh.dot!usenet.seri.re.kr!bofh.dot!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4q8dj5$jje@news.iastate.edu> Control: cancel <4q8dj5$jje@news.iastate.edu> Date: 19 Jun 1996 08:46:00 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 0 Message-ID: <4q8eo8$jje@news.iastate.edu> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 19 14:02:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25969 for ; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24734 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help about the SERVER option Date: 19 Jun 1996 18:02:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4q9fau$o3v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4pr8mh$6uj@bolzer.rz.tu-cottbus.de>, Torsten Mielke wrote: : Can anybody tell me what the SERVER-Option ist for? : I would need a little bit detailed instructions. : German-speaking MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit users may find the answers to all their questions about Kermit in the manuals: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Published by: Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 14:56:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05175 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA06267 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cftnet.com!ns2.mainstreet.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!genmagic!usenet From: William Mills Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit. Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:33:16 -0700 Organization: General Magic, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <31C98B5C.3061@genmagic.com> References: <31C86923.4868@genmagic.com> <4qa0o6$46b@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: mills@genmagic.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeep.genmagic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Thanks, I will go get the beta and try this out. I did find and OOOOOLD version of xmodem which I can amke work but would much prefer the Z variety. Now I just have the scripting to deal with and figure out why I dont get the proper things from \%n the way I think I should. Clarence Dold wrote: > > William Mills (mills@genmagic.com) wrote: ...snip... > > The new ckermit beta, announced here a few weeks ago, supports auto-download > of ZModem. I use it every day. > > It does require the external szrz to be available on your system. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 15:27:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA09541 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07152 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!lade.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!usenet From: William Mills Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem and Kermit. Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:54:59 -0700 Organization: General Magic, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31C86923.4868@genmagic.com> Reply-To: mills@genmagic.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeep.genmagic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to to r[xyz] from inside kermit. I can not make that work right at this point. My problem: I need to dial a remote system (BBS) that only supports file transfer in xyz-modem. This is from an HP9000-7xx series machine running HPUX 9.x. Suggestions? Pointers? I have also tried using cu instead of kermit to see if it is a problem with the way that I was invoking rz, no luck. e-mail or net is fine. Thanks, -bill From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 15:36:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16783 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07334 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit. Date: 19 Jun 1996 22:59:18 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4qa0o6$46b@samba.rahul.net> References: <31C86923.4868@genmagic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] William Mills (mills@genmagic.com) wrote: : It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to : to r[xyz] from inside kermit. I can not make that work : right at this point. : My problem: I need to dial a remote system (BBS) that only : supports file transfer in xyz-modem. This is from an : HP9000-7xx series machine running HPUX 9.x. Of course this is the only application where ZModem makes sense, when you can't control the other end ;-) The new ckermit beta, announced here a few weeks ago, supports auto-download of ZModem. I use it every day. It does require the external szrz to be available on your system. I have a copy of the old, friendly variety. The ckermit beta is on columbia. Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 15:44:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA20064 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit. Date: 20 Jun 1996 19:44:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4qc9mt$78l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31C86923.4868@genmagic.com> <4qa0o6$46b@samba.rahul.net> <31C98B5C.3061@genmagic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31C98B5C.3061@genmagic.com>, William Mills wrote: : I will go get the beta and try this out. I did find and : OOOOOLD version of xmodem which I can amke work but would : much prefer the Z variety. : Well, that's one approach. Personally, I would recommend that you license an up-to-date Zmodem package from Omen Technology, which, I believe, does allow itself to be used as an external protocol. I am a big believer in supporting the originators of popular protocols :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 16:14:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29560 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA08965 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!world!mcenaney From: mcenaney@world.std.com (Brendan McEnaney) Subject: K95 and Netscape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com> Sender: mcenaney@world.std.com (Brendan McEnaney) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: The Whirled Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 00:03:01 GMT Lines: 17 I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input. I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape. I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be? -- Brendan McEnaney mcenaney@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 16:36:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04815 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09905 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek in terminal emulation Message-ID: <1996Jun19.101847.81899@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Jun 96 10:18:47 MDT References: <4q7nq3$ft7$2@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 In article <4q7nq3$ft7$2@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> writes: > I've run into a problem with Kermit-MS v3.14, which I recently > installed as a terminal emulator (upgrading finally from v3.10). > I run two separate COM ports (COM2 and COM4) to a DEC PDP/11 > machine running RSTS. The IRQ and address settings haven't been > a problem; data back and forth transfers with only rare hiccups. > > The problem is that sometimes (not always), when I start up > Kermit on COM4, the terminal emulator starts up using a Greek > character set (literally Greek: P is pi, A is alpha, etc.). > The startup routines for COM2 & COM4 (initiated with -F xxx; > port settings are in a small initial file, then common settings > are called from each initial file) are identical except for > the different port settings and the fact that COM2 runs at 9600 > baud while COM4 runs at 19200. Typically, if I shut down Kermit > and restart, it comes up with a normal ASCII character set. > > When I SHOW TERM, the terminal character-set is listed as Latin1 > whether I get Greek or Roman characters. I have no recollection > of this happening in five years of using v3.10. Any ideas on where > this is coming from and/or what I can do to prevent it? > > Kelvin Smith ------------ I'd suggest a clean start and then find the offending side effect. Try KERMIT -f nul to eliminate all startup files, then TAKE filename one at a time between checks, until you find the item yielding the effect. Please check the distribution docs on what COMx means and ensure there are no hardware conflicts from your system. Check for viruses (normal advice for any problem these days, sorry). Check what the other end is doing by going to another machine. Don't load TSR's unless necessary. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 16:51:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07409 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10710 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape Date: 20 Jun 1996 20:51:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4qcdkp$aek@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com>, Brendan McEnaney wrote: : I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet : for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input. : This is Yet Another "Restriction" in Window 95 vis-a-vis console applications. When a console application is started by a GUI application (or vice versa), keyboard focus often tends to be misplaced. : I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's : Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to : the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to : oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great : with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape. : : I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major : dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be? : Believe me, it's nothing obvious. Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html/ and then go to the hints and tips from users section -- you should find the necessary magic incantation there. Console applications are most definitely second-class citizens in Windows 95. This and hundreds of other problems will magically disappear when conversion to GUI is complete. ("When?" "We're till working on it.") (But first there will be another interim console-mode release, to be announced very soon.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 17:38:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA15679 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA12730 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!mms.rvh.mcgill.ca!dpyper From: David Pyper Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DCS String Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:31:24 -0400 Organization: McGill University Computing Centre Lines: 11 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: mms.rvh.mcgill.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm using Kermit95, and when I use telnet to access a legacy application on my site, the first screen sends some control codes which puts a the following code on the status line: DCS STRING What is this and how can I get rid of it? Please reply to dpyper@mms.rvh.mcgill.ca! I need your help! From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 18:08:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19924 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA13912 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DCS String Date: 20 Jun 1996 22:08:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4qci4p$dil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , David Pyper wrote: : I'm using Kermit95, and when I use telnet to access a legacy application : on my site, the first screen sends some control codes which puts a the : following code on the status line: : : DCS STRING : : What is this and how can I get rid of it? : DCS means Device Control String. It is an escape sequence that starts out as ESC P (or 8-bit DCS) and ends with String Terminator, ESC \ (or 8-bit ST). When a DCS arrives, the terminal reads characters until the ST comes, then it interprets the intervening characters and executes them as a command. But what happens if the ST never comes? The terminal is hung forever, until you reset it. Try this on a real VT220 or 320 to see what I mean. How can this happen? Either your host is sending improper escape sequences (such as an unterminated DCS), or there is a disagreement between Kermit's terminal type and the type of terminal the host thinks you have (e.g. ESC P might be a valid sequence for some other terminal type), or the DCS lead-in was spontaneously generated as communications-line noise. A nice feature of Kermit 95 is that it tells you (in the status line) when a DCS has been received. That way, if the ST never comes, you'll know what's going on and you can (for example) push the "reset button" (verb \Kreset, assigned to Alt-R by default) to get back to normal. (Or, if more than about 4K of stuff arrives after DCS but before the ST, Kermit 95 breaks out of "DCS wait" automatically.) How do you make it stop happening? If the host is sending ESC P or 8-bit DCS to a terminal that it thinks is a VT220 or 320, without sending a the matching ST, then reconfigure your host not to do that -- it's wrong. For further assistance, send a session log to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 19:39:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04220 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA17061 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!genmagic!usenet From: William Mills Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: output command not working Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:36:09 -0700 Organization: General Magic, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31C9B639.E87@genmagic.com> References: <01bb59a9.369fad80$9606848b@rmstephe.deakin.edu.au> <4prqns$jh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb5a7d.c2679240$0f02000a@rana.deakin.edu.au> Reply-To: mills@genmagic.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeep.genmagic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) I was having similar problems, even testing parts of teh script and when I put them all together they broke. I found that frequent pauses of good size at the significant points like after you log in, made it work. I shove a pause 10 in there and lo-and-behold it works. Seems faster when testing by hand, but the script needs it I guess. -bill From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 20 19:52:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA05935 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA17753 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 19:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: output command not working Date: 20 Jun 1996 23:52:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <4qco82$hal@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb59a9.369fad80$9606848b@rmstephe.deakin.edu.au> <4prqns$jh3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb5a7d.c2679240$0f02000a@rana.deakin.edu.au> <31C9B639.E87@genmagic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31C9B639.E87@genmagic.com>, William Mills wrote: : I was having similar problems, even testing parts of teh : script and when I put them all together they broke. : : I found that frequent pauses of good size at the significant : points like after you log in, made it work. I shove a pause : 10 in there and lo-and-behold it works. : : Seems faster when testing by hand, but the script needs it I : guess. : PAUSE 10 (seconds) might be a little excessive, but yes, sometimes pauses are necessary. In the most common example, the computer prompts for a password and then waits for you to type your password. But it does NOT allow you to type ahead (this is a security feature). Thus it does something like this: Print "Password:" Clear input buffer Read password from user Clearing the input buffer takes some time, usually imperceptible to a human, but if a script sees "Password:" and responds instantly, the text could start to arrive while the computer is still clearing its buffer, and so the first few characters can be lost. So (remembering that we must never store passwords in a file), here is a typical login script: def \%p while not def \%p { askq \%p {Please type your password: } } ; ; Put commands here to make the connection ; input 10 login: ; (or whatever) if fail ... ; (handle failure here) output myuserid\13 ; (replace with your actual ID) input 10 Password: ; (or whatever) if fail ... ; (handle failure here) pause 1 ; (or longer if necessary) output \%p\13 ; send password def \%p ; erase this from memory and then CONNECT or whatever else you want to do next. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 21 15:15:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA11478 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA06401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:15:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ycc.yale.edu!yale!news-mail-gateway!daemon From: Tom Frenkel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Key map for 3270 emulation Date: 21 Jun 1996 13:45:23 -0400 Organization: Yale CS Mail/News Gateway Lines: 20 Sender: daemon@cs.yale.edu Message-ID: <19960621134518.aaaa005ZI@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: babyblue.cs.yale.edu To the Kermit newsgroup: I access a mainframe from home, using Kermit on a PC (running DOS 5). Once dialed in, I give a "tn" command to connect to the mainframe. (Apparently "tn" is a version of "tn3270"). I am able to log on to the mainframe, and things work pretty well ... except that the PF keys are not mapped correctly. For example, instead of F10, I have to use the sequence "Escape 0". Obviously, this is cumbersome. Could anyone help me re-map things so that the PF keys work properly? I am working with the Tech Support people at my installation on this issue, but so far they aren't too sure of the solution. I've also read the part of the Kermit FAQ entitled "Where is the key map for 3270 emulation" but am still unclear on things ... for instance, in which Kermit file I place the "set key" commands. If anyone out there has experience with this area, and could help, I would be very appreciative! Thanks, --Tom Tom Frenkel From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 21 15:34:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA15661 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA06738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 15:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Key map for 3270 emulation Date: 21 Jun 1996 19:34:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4qetfo$6ig@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19960621134518.aaaa005ZI@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <19960621134518.aaaa005ZI@babyblue.cs.yale.edu>, Tom Frenkel wrote: : I access a mainframe from home, using Kermit on a PC (running DOS 5). : Once dialed in, I give a "tn" command to connect to the mainframe. : (Apparently "tn" is a version of "tn3270"). I am able to log on to the : mainframe, and things work pretty well ... except that the PF keys are not : mapped correctly. For example, instead of F10, I have to use the sequence : "Escape 0". Obviously, this is cumbersome. Could anyone help me re-map : things so that the PF keys work properly? : Did you read about key mapping in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit"? SHOW KEY reveals that the scan code of the F10 key is \324. So: SET KEY \324 \{27}0 makes F10 send ESC and then "0". : I am working with the Tech Support people at my installation on this : issue, but so far they aren't too sure of the solution. I've also read : the part of the Kermit FAQ entitled "Where is the key map for 3270 : emulation" but am still unclear on things ... for instance, in which : Kermit file I place the "set key" commands. If anyone out there has : experience with this area, and could help, I would be very appreciative! : You can put the commands anywhere you want. Read about command files in Chapter 14 of the manual. For example, if you put them in a file, C:\KERMIT\TN.INI, then tell Kermit to "take c:\kermit\tn.ini". If this is the only connection that you use Kermit for, then you can have this file executed automatically every time you start Kermit by putting the TAKE command in your MSCUSTOM.INI file, or adding the SET KEY commands themselves to your MSCUSTOM.INI file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 21 17:15:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.40.159]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA29733 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09429 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!mikasa.iol.it!news From: "SAM, Chi-Kin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit. Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 03:51:28 +0800 Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 42 Message-ID: <31CAFD40.30ED@macau.ctm.net> References: <31C86923.4868@genmagic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.107 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) To: mills@genmagic.com CC: cksam@macau.ctm.net William Mills wrote: > > It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to > to r[xyz] from inside kermit. I can not make that work > right at this point. > > My problem: I need to dial a remote system (BBS) that only > supports file transfer in xyz-modem. This is from an > HP9000-7xx series machine running HPUX 9.x. > > Suggestions? Pointers? > > I have also tried using cu instead of kermit to see if it is > a problem with the way that I was invoking rz, no luck. > > e-mail or net is fine. > > Thanks, > -bill The SZRZ can be called within C-kermit in Sun OS, in fact I have the following line in my .kermrc: define autosz1 apc rz1, !sz -L1024 -b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 In fact, this macro also initial the auto receive of z-modem transfer by my MS-kermit, so if you would want to go so complicated, you can initial sz tranfer, after enter C-kermit by: !sz Note: above method need the exist of the sz/rz program. Cheers, --SAM -- ==================================================================== SAM, Chi-Kin (Mr.) at Hermes Electronics Technology Co. in MACAU Tel: +(853) 963609 Fax: +(853) 511456 PGP key available via email e-mail: cksam@macau.ctm.net AT&Tmail: !hermestech ==================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 22 04:37:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA12721 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA21622 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 04:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!olivea!sgigate.sgi.com!news1.best.com!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.aminet.co.kr!news@mgate.aminet.co.kr From: "Dong G. Kim" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer between AOS/VS and MS-DOS Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 16:03:55 +0900 Organization: Korea Power Plant Service Co., Ltd. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.30.154.116 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II. And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer speed. Recentry, I saw the FAQ list about Kermit. And I get to know Kermit is not a low performance file transfer protocol. It said that we can tune up the Kermit to improve the speed. Especially, long packet size and multiple windows, etc. And I got the current version of C-Kermit and MS-Kermit now. C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 repectively. Then I tested using them. >From AOS/VS to MS-DOS(download), it was great!! More than 4 or 5 times faster than before. No retries at all. I had excited. But, from MS-DOS to AOS/VS(upload), I failed every times. There were too many retries. Sometimes, program aborted caused by retries. Sometimes, file has been trnasferred to PC with about 100 times retries. You can imagine, how performance it was! But, I don't know why. Please help to solve this problem. The only changed parameters by me are as follows; set receive packet-length 2000 set block 3 set wind 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Your sincere response would be highly appreciated. Thanks. Dong Kim Seoul, korea From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 22 11:13:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03286 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA15613 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 11:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: File transfer between AOS/VS and MS-DOS Date: 22 Jun 1996 15:13:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 84 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4qh2ie$f7r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5426 comp.os.aos:763 In article <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, Dong G. Kim wrote: : We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II. : And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two : systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive : a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps : modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer : speed. : Recentry, I saw the FAQ list about Kermit. And I get to know Kermit is : not a low performance file transfer protocol. : It said that we can tune up the Kermit to improve the speed. : Especially, long packet size and multiple windows, etc. : : And I got the current version of C-Kermit and MS-Kermit now. : C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 repectively. : Then I tested using them. : : From AOS/VS to MS-DOS(download), it was great!! More than 4 or 5 times : faster than before. No retries at all. I had excited. : : But, from MS-DOS to AOS/VS(upload), I failed every times. There were too : many retries. Sometimes, program aborted caused by retries. Sometimes, : file has been trnasferred to PC with about 100 times retries. : You can imagine, how performance it was! : But, I don't know why. : Please help to solve this problem. : : The only changed parameters by me are as follows; : : set receive packet-length 2000 : set block 3 : set wind 4 : It sounds like a lack of flow control. The PC is sending bytes faster than the MV system can read them, and so some of the incoming bytes are lost before Kermit even gets a chance to read them. The same thing happens, by the way, on a Telnet connection. AOS/VS C-Kermit can send files at high speed using large packet and Window sizes, but it can not receive them that way. So I think we have a lack of adequate flow control combined with a terminal driver that is not designed to receive large amounts of input (regardless of the communication method). The best solution is to enable a good method of flow control. Start Kermit this way: ) char/on/hifc/hofc ) x kermit C-Kermit> set flow keep This tells AOS/VS to enable RTS/CTS flow control on your login port, and "set flow keep" tells Kermit not to try to change the flow control on the port. Of course RTS/CTS must also be enabled on the modem that is connected to the port. If that doesn't work, then try using Xon/Xoff software flow control: ) char/on/ifc/ofc ) x kermit C-Kermit> set flow xon/xoff In this case you must enable LOCAL Xon/Xoff flow control in the modem. If you are still having trouble, then try using a smaller packet size and/or window size when sending to AOS/VS. Remember, the rule is: For any given connection, there is an optimum combination of packet and window size. If you make it smaller, the transfer will go unnecessarily slow. If you make it bigger there will be errors. The nice thing about Kermit is that it has commands to let you control every aspect of its operation and configure optimally for every connection. By the way, most of the above is covered in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", in the file transfer section and in the AOS/VS appendix. Finally, you might want to look at the new C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta test, which is available for AOS/VS as well as UNIX and VMS. It is in the kermit/test directory tree on kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 22 20:54:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21782 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25607 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 20:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!chi-news.cic.net!news.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek in terminal emulation Date: 23 Jun 1996 00:38:00 GMT Organization: CompuServe, Inc. (1-800-689-0736) Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4qi3l8$4ht$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> References: <4q916a$if8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> In message <4q916a$if8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > First, let's rule out the possibility that somehow a different code > page is being loaded. In a session in which you are seeing Greek, > what happens if you type "run chcp" at the MS-Kermit> prompt? > I expect it will say that your code page is 437, which does include > some Greek characters. Yes, I'm using code page 437. > Second, what about your PARITY and TERMINAL BYTESIZE settings? For > using RSTS/E, I expect they should be NONE and 7, respectively (I don't > remember RSTS that well -- maybe it needs EVEN parity). Under SHOW TERM, parity is listed as "None (8-bit data)". > So if your code page is 437 and your communications are 7-bit, you should > not see any Greek. If you are, my next guess would be that somebody is > playing an elaborate trick on you. Because if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET > is LATIN1, there is no way you would ever see a Greek character on your > screen, except lowercase mu, which is the only Greek character that is > part of Latin Alphabet 1. (But if your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET is TRANSPARENT > then you could see some Greek if your code page is 437.) > Such a trick could be accomplished by loading a nonstandard font that > had Greek characters in the ASCII positions, or by using SET TRANSLATE > INPUT commands in some file that MS-DOS Kermit is executing. The possibility of such a trick being played on me is extremely remote. I ftp'ed Kermit directly from Columbia. No one else in my office of 4 people has the technical skills to pull off a trick like this (I set up all the programs for them, not the other way around), and the PC is not physically accessible to anyone outside the office. > So after SET PORT COM4 and seeing Greek, escape back to the MS-Kermit> > prompt and look carefully at what is reported by SHOW TERMINAL and SHOW > COMMUNICATIONS. I can't reproduce this problem at will, but the last time it happened I had the Greek version (running on COM4) and a properly displaying version (running on COM2) running in separate sessions under Windows. I task-switched back and forth between the two looking at every item in SHOW COMM and SHOW TERM. The only things that varied were the port-specific settings (COM number, port address, speed). Twice I've changed the terminal character-set when I was seeing Greek, even though SHOW TERM showed the active character-set as Latin1. Setting it to either ASCII or Latin1 cleared the condition (previous characters were unchanged, but anything displayed following was in normal form). IOW, resetting it to Latin1, even when Kermit claimed it was already using Latin1, cleared the condition. Kelvin Smith From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 22 23:28:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA06084 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA27889 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 23:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!insync!news.azstarnet.com!web.azstarnet.com!not-for-mail From: jeffbis@azstarnet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Will there be a new MSDOS version of kermit? Date: 22 Jun 1996 20:24:13 -0700 Organization: Arizona Starnet, Tucson, AZ Lines: 4 Message-ID: Reply-To: jeffbis@azstarnet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: web.azstarnet.com I have noticed that new development of the CKERMIT project is underway. Will there be a new MSDOS version of kermit. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 23 03:13:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA01079 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA02559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 03:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu! From: rkutai@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU (Raymond Steven Kutai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: random beeps at high speed connection Date: Sat, 22 Jun 96 06:15:40 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tchm08a5.rmt.utk.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 Hello, I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home. Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR. I managed to get connection. I noticed there's some improvement in speed. Problem is I kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on the screen. I read the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit dist. and I found out that the random beeps and characters are due to the high speed. Further, I need to use flow control. Well I did 'set flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow rcs/cts' but still getting the beeps and random chars. Is there anyway to solve this problem? My modem is Hayes Optima 9600. BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but I want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the modem capabilities. Thanks in advance. RSK 06.21.96 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 23 11:12:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01410 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 11:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27968 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 11:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: random beeps at high speed connection Date: 23 Jun 1996 15:12:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4qjms4$r9u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Raymond Steven Kutai wrote: : I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home. : Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR. I managed : to get connection. I noticed there's some improvement in speed. : Problem is I kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on : the screen. I read the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit : dist. and I found out that the random beeps and characters are due to : the high speed. Further, I need to use flow control. Well I did 'set : flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow rcs/cts' but still getting the : beeps and random chars. Is there anyway to solve this problem? : : My modem is Hayes Optima 9600. BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but I : want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the : modem capabilities. : ULTRA144.SCR sets the speed to 38400 and sets Kermit's flow control to RTS/CTS and also sets the modem's flow control to RTS/CTS by giving it the command AT&K1&K3. Therefore, assuming there are no imcompatibilities between the Ultra 14400 and the Optima 9600, everything is set up right. You didn't say what kind of computer you have, or what operating system, or what kind of UART (serial port controller). Beeps indicate a UART overrun -- that is, a character arrived before the previous character had been read. This usually means (a) a slow computer, (b) an overloaded computer, (c) you are running Kermit under Windows 3.x, and/or (d) your PC has an unbuffered UART. The solutions are: (a) get a faster computer, (b) don't run so many other applications or TSRs at the same time as Kermit, (c) run Kermit under DOS instead of Windows, and/or (d) replace your unbuffered (8250 or 14550) UART with a buffered (16550A) UART. Or, as a last resort, since your computer can't keep up at 38400, use a lower speed, like 19200 or 9600 (as you are doing). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 23 11:14:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA01724 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 11:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA27985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 11:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will there be a new MSDOS version of kermit? Date: 23 Jun 1996 15:14:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4qjn0o$raf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: : I have noticed that new development of the CKERMIT project is underway. Will : there be a new MSDOS version of kermit. : Yes. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 23 11:58:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08096 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 11:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA28695 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 11:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: random beeps at high speed connection Message-ID: <1996Jun23.081336.82013@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Jun 96 08:13:36 MDT References: <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 In article <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, rkutai@utkux.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai) writes: > Hello, > I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home. > Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR. I managed to > get connection. I noticed there's some improvement in speed. Problem is I > kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on the screen. I read > the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit dist. and I found out that > the random beeps and characters are due to the high speed. Further, I need to > use flow control. Well I did 'set flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow > rcs/cts' but still getting the beeps and random chars. Is there anyway to > solve this problem? > > My modem is Hayes Optima 9600. BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but > I want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the > modem capabilities. ------------ MS-DOS Kermit uses character Control-G (Bell) to stand for one or more characters lost from a serial port due to "incoming overrun." That means Kermit was unable to get to the serial port UART in time before a second or third... character arrived there and all but the last were lost. On today's computers this ought not happen unless the machine is strangely configured. Primary guess is IRQ or port conflicts. Second guess is something on your machine eating lots of cpu time with interrupts turned off, such as screen savers, a so-so disk cache, and so on. Third guess is simply a noisy comms link. This means you get to open the box, to unload all kinds of nifty software appearing in config.sys and autoexec.bat and put back one item at a time, and to talk with your local telephone company. Keep in mind that when you try SET FLOW RTS/CTS that the modem itself must be informed to do the same. Please check your modem manual for the proper command (typically an AT kind). RTS/CTS is the preferred flow control method. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 23 12:22:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10816 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA29139 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek in terminal emulation Date: 23 Jun 1996 16:22:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4qjqva$seh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4q916a$if8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4qi3l8$4ht$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4qi3l8$4ht$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>, Kelvin Smith <74654.3313@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : : (Spurious display of Greek characters when using COM4...) : : I can't reproduce this problem at will, but the last time it happened : I had the Greek version (running on COM4) and a properly displaying : version (running on COM2) running in separate sessions under Windows. : I task-switched back and forth between the two looking at every item : in SHOW COMM and SHOW TERM. The only things that varied were the : port-specific settings (COM number, port address, speed). Twice I've : changed the terminal character-set when I was seeing Greek, even : though SHOW TERM showed the active character-set as Latin1. Setting : it to either ASCII or Latin1 cleared the condition (previous characters : were unchanged, but anything displayed following was in normal form). : IOW, resetting it to Latin1, even when Kermit claimed it was already : using Latin1, cleared the condition. : Joe and I discussed this one, and we are pretty much stumped. I suspect some bizarre interaction of Windows "features" and the COM4 setup. Does your COM4 have a unique IRQ? (Are you sure?) Do you have anything about COM4 in your WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI file? If so, what? Are you using expanded memory for rollback screens? If so, what happens if you turn off this feature? (SET TERM EXPANDED-MEMORY OFF) What happens if you use Kermit on COM4 outside of Windows? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 24 12:14:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA18924 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14444 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!noao!stsci!usenet From: Gary Gladney Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:31:18 -0400 Organization: Space Telescope Science Inst. Lines: 46 Message-ID: <31CEB4C6.41C6@stsci.edu> References: <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com> <4qcdkp$aek@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: valhalla.stsci.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; OSF1 V3.2 alpha) Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com>, > Brendan McEnaney wrote: > : I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet > : for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input. > : > This is Yet Another "Restriction" in Window 95 vis-a-vis console > applications. When a console application is started by a GUI application > (or vice versa), keyboard focus often tends to be misplaced. > > : I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's > : Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to > : the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to > : oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great > : with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape. > : > : I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major > : dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be? > : > Believe me, it's nothing obvious. > > Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html/ and then go to the hints > and tips from users section -- you should find the necessary magic > incantation there. > > Console applications are most definitely second-class citizens in Windows 95. > This and hundreds of other problems will magically disappear when conversion > to GUI is complete. ("When?" "We're till working on it.") (But first > there will be another interim console-mode release, to be announced very > soon.) > > - Frank Frank, When I click on the URL I get this message File Not found The requested URL /kermit/k95.html/ was not found on this server just thought I would let you know. gary gladney From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 24 12:24:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20320 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14625 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape Date: 24 Jun 1996 16:24:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4qmffm$e8u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com> <4qcdkp$aek@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31CEB4C6.41C6@stsci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31CEB4C6.41C6@stsci.edu>, Gary Gladney wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > In article <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com>, : > Brendan McEnaney wrote: : > : I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet : > : for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input. : > ... : > Go to http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html/ and then go to the hints : > and tips from users section -- you should find the necessary magic : > incantation there. : > : When I click on the URL I get this message: : : File Not found : : The requested URL /kermit/k95.html/ was not found on this server : Sorry, typo. There should be no trailing slash. The proper URL is: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 24 14:11:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08854 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA17730 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 14:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!paladin.american.edu!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!shore!news From: info@hq.prosource.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.snmp,comp.protocols.smb,comp.protocols.pup,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.pcnet,comp.protocols.nfs,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SNMP/GUI DEVELOPMENT CONTRACT OPPOTUNITY Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 13:31:37 PDT Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) Lines: 43 Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-10-0.slip.shore.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip:42385 comp.protocols.snmp:6131 comp.protocols.smb:6652 comp.protocols.pup:6 comp.protocols.ppp:16378 comp.protocols.pcnet:252 comp.protocols.nfs:15598 comp.protocols.misc:5666 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5436 PRO SOURCE INC. 196 BEAR HILL RD. 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Interested Candidates Please contact Paul DeSantis at: PHONE: (617) 890-8000 FAX: (617) 890-2038 E-MAIL:pauld@hq.prosource.com WEB: www.prosource.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 24 20:31:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21051 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA27338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer between AOS/VS and MS-DOS Date: 24 Jun 1996 23:43:29 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4qn972$p32@krel.iea.com> References: <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr> NNTP-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Dong G. Kim (kps01@soback.kornet.nm.kr) wrote: : We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II. : And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two : systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive : a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps : modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer : speed. There is also a problem with the IACs. We have never been able to get faster than 9600 connection to an MV25000. At my location I have to also go through a MUX/MODEM so I'm lucky to see much over 150 CPS though the longer the upload goes the better the overall final speed. We've tried lots of tricks to get a 19200, even a direct wire from inside the computer room, but to no avail. Thanks goodness we've moving to a UNIX based system. Rod From news@columbia.edu Mon Jun 24 20:31:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA21056 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA27341 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 20:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!nwfocus.wa.com!krel.iea.com!comtch!andersr From: andersr@comtch.iea.com (Rod Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: random beeps at high speed connection Date: 24 Jun 1996 23:49:21 GMT Organization: CompuTech Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4qn9i1$p32@krel.iea.com> References: <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: comtch.iea.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Raymond Steven Kutai (rkutai@utkux.utk.edu) wrote: : Hello, : I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home. : Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR. I managed to : get connection. I noticed there's some improvement in speed. Problem is I : kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on the screen. I read : the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit dist. and I found out that : the random beeps and characters are due to the high speed. Further, I need to : use flow control. Well I did 'set flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow : rcs/cts' but still getting the beeps and random chars. Is there anyway to : solve this problem? Is this an internal or external MODEM? On some not-so-old machines I've found 8250 and 16450 uarts. Not condusive to high speeds with external MODEMs. If it's an internal then you may have to play with the speed; working your way down to one that will work or setting the MODEM before setting kermit. Look at the SPORT.SCR file to see an example of this. : My modem is Hayes Optima 9600. BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but : I want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the : modem capabilities. ^^^^^^ You may have to drop a zero off this. That's a bit beyond most modems capabilities. ;-) : Thanks in advance. : RSK : 06.21.96 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 03:09:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA04883 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA06124 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 03:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dbtech.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Baus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Check for call waiting? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:43:09 -0700 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts2-p34.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Anyone know how (or if it is possible) to check for call waiting on a phone line before sending the dialing string? Thanks, Steve From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 06:43:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA23086 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 06:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA28678 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 06:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gatech!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-mannheim.de!rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de!not-for-mail From: robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de (Robert Braeutigam) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and WfWorkgroups Date: 25 Jun 1996 10:06:40 GMT Organization: Rechenzentrum Uni Mannheim Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950515BETA PL0] Hello everybody, I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked. My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a "unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ? Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently... Robert -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de URL : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 07:50:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA14106 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA01857 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!TCHM05A11 From: rkutai@UTKUX.UTCC.UTK.EDU (Raymond Steven Kutai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: random beeps at high speed connection Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 08:05:28 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 80 Message-ID: <4qo6pl$gpe@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4qjms4$r9u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tchm05a11.rmt.utk.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <4qjms4$r9u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4qiniu$s22@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, >Raymond Steven Kutai wrote: >: I am using KERMIT 3.14 to connect to my UNIX account from home. >: Recently I swithced from using the HAYES.SCR to ULTRA144.SCR. I managed >: to get connection. I noticed there's some improvement in speed. >: Problem is I kept getting some random beeps, and ramdom characters on >: the screen. I read the .BWR and .UPD files included with the Kermit >: dist. and I found out that the random beeps and characters are due to >: the high speed. Further, I need to use flow control. Well I did 'set >: flow xon/xoff' and also tried 'set flow rcs/cts' but still getting the >: beeps and random chars. Is there anyway to solve this problem? >: >: My modem is Hayes Optima 9600. BTW, things works fine at 9600bps, but I >: want to make it work at 384000bps in order to take full advantage of the >: modem capabilities. >: >ULTRA144.SCR sets the speed to 38400 and sets Kermit's flow control to >RTS/CTS and also sets the modem's flow control to RTS/CTS by giving it the >command AT&K1&K3. Therefore, assuming there are no imcompatibilities >between the Ultra 14400 and the Optima 9600, everything is set up right. > >You didn't say what kind of computer you have, or what operating system, >or what kind of UART (serial port controller). Beeps indicate a UART >overrun -- that is, a character arrived before the previous character had >been read. > >This usually means (a) a slow computer, (b) an overloaded computer, >(c) you are running Kermit under Windows 3.x, and/or (d) your PC has an >unbuffered UART. > >The solutions are: (a) get a faster computer, (b) don't run so many other >applications or TSRs at the same time as Kermit, (c) run Kermit under DOS >instead of Windows, and/or (d) replace your unbuffered (8250 or 14550) >UART with a buffered (16550A) UART. > >Or, as a last resort, since your computer can't keep up at 38400, use a >lower speed, like 19200 or 9600 (as you are doing). > >- Frank I have an IBM PS/2 30-286. Recently, I upgraded the cpu to 486 with the Make-it 286 to 486 from Improve Technologies. I also noticed that I have bunch of TSRs loaded when I posted the original article. However, unloading those TSRs doesn't help much, i.e. the beeps are still there. BTW, I am running Kermit under DOS. As far as the UART is concerned I am not sure about how to recognize what type of UART it is. I guess if nothing else works then 19200 or 9600 would suffice for the moment. Thank you for the prompt reply. I will post for further progress. --- rsk 06.25.96 +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ Raymond Steven Kutai "Think imaginary!" -- Stephen Hawking rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~rkutai +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 11:38:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20145 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA06966 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!blue.thrunet.net!newsmaster From: bstrickl@thrunet.net (Robert J. Strickler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 wyse60 emultation soon? Date: 25 Jun 1996 15:10:54 GMT Organization: Koch Technlologies Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net> Reply-To: rstrickler@thrunet.net NNTP-Posting-Host: alioth.thrunet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this emulation. Any estimates on the availability? From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 11:48:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21694 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA07252 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 wyse60 emultation soon? Date: 25 Jun 1996 15:48:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4qp1od$72i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net>, Robert J. Strickler wrote: : We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 : emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the : wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 : expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 : terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this : emulation. Any estimates on the availability? : Real Soon Now. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 13:15:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA06600 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!connix.com!news From: Jim Jablonski Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automate File Send then Receive Date: 25 Jun 1996 15:49:24 GMT Organization: Town of Enfield, CT IS Dept. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4qp1q4$jgk@comet.connix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jjablons.connix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1PE (Windows; I; 16bit) Greetings, I am working on a project that requires us to dial out to a vendor, then send a text file that tells the remote site who we are, then the remote site sends us a text file. I would like to automate this process using C-kermit on a DEC Alpha 3600 running OpenVMS 6.1. I have been able to get as far as C-kermit dialing and connecting to the remote site. I get hung up at the remote site login sequence. I have been trying to use the INPUT and OUTPUT commands to accomplish this. The example in the book uses a single word (login:) after the INPUT command. The site I am logging into has for a login prompt. "Enter logon id:". My question is, can I use the INPUT command to process this prompt? I have tried using quotes("") around the login prompt, experimented with different times from 5-35 sec. of waiting for the prompt without success. I start C-kermit with the -y command line qualifier and a setup file as follows; Ckermit -y filename.set. The commands in Filename.set are; set carrier off set modem hayes set line lta415 set speed 2400 set terminal bytesize 8 set flow none dial 9,1xxxxxxxxxx connect input 15 Enter logon id: output 10 my_login input 15 Enter password: output 10 my_password ^\C ! I'm hoping this will get me back to my C-kermit to send send file.txt recieve Am doing this right? Will the ^\C get me back to my machine? Any suggestions will be appreciated. TIA, Jim From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 15:41:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03348 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12160 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:17:20 EDT From: "H. D. Knoble" Message-ID: <96177.111720HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Check for call waiting? References: <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com> Lines: 11 In article <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com>, Baus says: >Anyone know how (or if it is possible) to check for call waiting on a >phone line before sending the dialing string? >Thanks, Steve, depends on the service provider you're using. For Bell Atlantic if you dial (by phone) *70 and hear two beeps and a dial tone, you have Call Waiting. To cancel it for a modem call, prepend the "Cancel Call Waiting" string, followed by a Comma, to the phone number. E.g., *70,123-4567 From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 15:59:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA06062 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA12476 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wwa.com!news From: Jim Jacobus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:07:48 -0500 Organization: PonyXPress Horse Transportation Lines: 23 Message-ID: <31D02AF4.1C7C@wwa.com> References: <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vh1-019.wwa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) Brendan McEnaney wrote: > > I've had no luck getting K95 to work properly as the default telnet > for Netscape 2.2 (32bit). It fires up but won't accept keyboard input. > > I've put "E:\K95\K95.EXE -c -j" in Netscape's > Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field and copied the K95 telnet.exe to > the Windows directory (renaming the Windows telnet.exe to > oldtelnet.exe). I've also added E:\K95 to the DOS path. It works great > with the MS Explorer (3.0b) but no luck with Netscape. > > I'm so sure I'm overlooking something really obvious and have a major > dope slap comming. Hmmmmm... what _could_ it be? > > -- > > Brendan McEnaney > mcenaney@world.std.com FWIW: I'm successfully using K95 as a telnet app in Netscape 3.0. I don't have any command line options and I did not move the TELNET.exe to my Win95 directory. I have "D:\K95\TELNET.EXE" in Netscape's Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 19:02:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06299 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA16900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and WfWorkgroups Message-ID: <1996Jun25.133143.82066@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Jun 96 13:31:43 MDT References: <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de (Robert Braeutigam) writes: > Hello everybody, > > I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read > the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked. > My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit > works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a > "unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ? That error message says you are accessing the serial port, COMx, and there isn't anything there which masquerades as a real serial port. Recall that Windows itself usurps the serial port hardware and offers a virtual set to Windows apps and to the DOS box. I happen to run WFW on my desktop. I use Novell's ODI drivers, plus odipkt and winpkt for Windows stuff, with no difficulties. I do not run any MS networking components. Without knowing what you have setup it's difficult to offer more advice. Generally, however, the rule of "small is beautiful" applies here too, so try having fewer things accessing serial ports in Windows and so on. Check Windows itself on serial port setup. Joe D. > > Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently... > > Robert > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) > noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA > e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de > URL : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 21:25:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA26485 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA19922 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!news.PBI.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!world!mcenaney From: mcenaney@world.std.com (Brendan McEnaney) Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Message-ID: Sender: mcenaney@world.std.com (Brendan McEnaney) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Organization: The Whirled References: <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com> <31D02AF4.1C7C@wwa.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:49:31 GMT Lines: 20 In article <31D02AF4.1C7C@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus wrote: :FWIW: I'm successfully using K95 as a telnet app in Netscape 3.0. :I don't have any command line options and I did not move the TELNET.exe to :my Win95 directory. :I have "D:\K95\TELNET.EXE" in Netscape's Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field. DOH! I'll be damned, that did it. I tried everything but that. I pointed at the K95.pif file, the K95.exe file (both of these with and without the recommended command line options) and the K95 telnet.exe copy that I put in the Windows directory and none of that worked. This worked. Duh. Thanks Jim. Guess that's what I get for R'n TFM. ;-) Only problem with this is that the DOS box it pops open in initializes as tiny every time and needs to be resized. At least it works. I can live with this until the GUI comes out. -- Brendan McEnaney mcenaney@world.std.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jun 25 21:44:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA00265 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA20193 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and Netscape Date: 26 Jun 1996 01:44:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4qq4l2$jmv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1UJyxY6wjNkG091yn@world.std.com> <31D02AF4.1C7C@wwa.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Brendan McEnaney wrote: : In article <31D02AF4.1C7C@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus wrote: : :FWIW: I'm successfully using K95 as a telnet app in Netscape 3.0. : :I don't have any command line options and I did not move the TELNET.exe to : :my Win95 directory. I have : : "D:\K95\TELNET.EXE" in Netscape's Options/Preferences/Apps/Telnet field. : : DOH! I'll be damned, that did it. I tried everything but that. I : pointed at the K95.pif file, the K95.exe file (both of these with and : without the recommended command line options) and the K95 telnet.exe : copy that I put in the Windows directory and none of that worked. This : worked. Duh. Thanks Jim. Guess that's what I get for R'n TFM. ;-) : Putting the Kermit TELNET.EXE between Netscape and K95.EXE *sometimes* takes care of the problem that *sometimes* happens when starting K95.EXE directly from Netscape (because of bugs in Windows 95 -- not NT -- regarding starting of console apps from GUI apps), because now K95.EXE is being started from another console app. TELNET.EXE, itself a console app, is immune to the bug because it does not *need* keyboard focus. (Is this the kind of thing that belongs in a manual? :-) : Only problem with this is that the DOS box it pops open in initializes : as tiny every time and needs to be resized. At least it works. I can : live with this until the GUI comes out. : Again, read the hints about making PIF files for DOS boxes -- it makes a world of difference. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 26 03:27:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA07380 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA27026 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!news.nstn.ca!psinntp!psinntp!psinntp!spunky.RedBrick.COM!nntp.et.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automate File Send then Receive Message-ID: <1996Jun25.160406.82068@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Jun 96 16:04:06 MDT References: <4qp1q4$jgk@comet.connix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 In article <4qp1q4$jgk@comet.connix.com>, Jim Jablonski writes: > Greetings, > > I am working on a project that requires us to dial out to a vendor, > then send a text file that tells the remote site who we are, then > the remote site sends us a text file. I would like to automate this > process using C-kermit on a DEC Alpha 3600 running OpenVMS 6.1. > > I have been able to get as far as C-kermit dialing and connecting to > the remote site. I get hung up at the remote site login sequence. > I have been trying to use the INPUT and OUTPUT commands to accomplish > this. The example in the book uses a single word (login:) after the > INPUT command. The site I am logging into has for a login prompt. > "Enter logon id:". My question is, can I use the INPUT command to > process this prompt? I have tried using quotes("") around the > login prompt, experimented with different times from 5-35 sec. of > waiting for the prompt without success. > > I start C-kermit with the -y command line qualifier and a setup file > as follows; Ckermit -y filename.set. The commands in Filename.set are; > > set carrier off > set modem hayes > set line lta415 > set speed 2400 > set terminal bytesize 8 > set flow none > dial 9,1xxxxxxxxxx > connect ^^^^^^^--------- Noooooo. CONNECT puts you into terminal emulation mode and the script does not work there, as explained in the Kermit documentation. The script works at the Kermit prompt level, which is why you can use any Kermit commands in the script. What's more, there is a brand new feature in the very latest Kermits under development which permits a Kermit client to automatically recognize a Kermit packet arriving while the client is in terminal emulation/Connect mode, and to perform the file transfer as a short interlude to terminal emulation. That's not available in a script, so you have to use SEND/GET/ RECEIVE etc in scripts. Joe D. > input 15 Enter logon id: > output 10 my_login > input 15 Enter password: > output 10 my_password > ^\C ! I'm hoping this will get me back to my C-kermit to send > send file.txt > recieve > > Am doing this right? Will the ^\C get me back to my machine? Any > suggestions will be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 26 05:10:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA18542 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA28643 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!EU.net!sun4nl!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: linedraw chars in vt320 emulation Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 07:21:47 GMT Message-ID: Lines: 22 Hi all, I'm trying to access a Unix based application through MSKermit 3.14 under vt320 emulation. The app uses line-draw characters to draw boxes on the screen, but the boxes keep showing up with lower-case letters instead of line-draw chars. Kermit uses the Latin1 char set, DOS uses cp850 and everything is set to 8 bits. The application uses DEC SS2 as single-shift-out character, i.e., the top-line of a box is sent as: {0x9b}7;5H{0x8e}l{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}k Kermit simply ignores the 0x8e's. How do I tell kermit to process them and put the appropriate line-draw char on the screen? -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 37 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 26 09:51:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA02525 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22977 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: linedraw chars in vt320 emulation Date: 26 Jun 1996 13:51:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4qrf91$mdv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kees Hendrikse wrote: : I'm trying to access a Unix based application through MSKermit 3.14 under : vt320 emulation. The app uses line-draw characters to draw boxes on the : screen, but the boxes keep showing up with lower-case letters instead of : line-draw chars. Kermit uses the Latin1 char set, DOS uses cp850 and : everything is set to 8 bits. : : The application uses DEC SS2 as single-shift-out character, i.e., the : top-line of a box is sent as: : : {0x9b}7;5H{0x8e}l{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}q{0x8e}k : : Kermit simply ignores the 0x8e's. How do I tell kermit to process them : and put the appropriate line-draw char on the screen? : SS2 is Single Shift 2. It means: the next character value is to be treated as a pointer into the terminal's G2 table. The character after it is an "l" or a "q" or a "k". So "q", for example, whose ASCII value is 113 (decimal), would be translated into the 113th character of whatever character set had previously been designated to G2. If the DEC Special Graphics character set had been designated to G2 by: ESC * 0 then SS2 followed by "q" should select a horizontal line box-drawing character. Evidently it does not do this in MS-DOS Kermit, so that's a bug that we will have to fix. The bug involves 8-bit SS2 only. If you use SS2 in its 7-bit form: ESC N everything works fine, so you might be able to work around the problem by telling your application that you have a 7-bit connection, hopefully coercing it to send C1 controls in their 7-bit form. Also note that locking shifts do work correctly, so using LS2 (ESC n) instead of SS2 produces the desired results: {0x9b}7;5H{0x1b}nlqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk{0x0f} Thanks for the report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 26 14:19:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18695 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01040 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!email!gossettf From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How capture selective output to file? Date: 26 Jun 1996 17:07:02 GMT Organization: The University of Alabama in Huntsville Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4qrqnm$a7b@info.uah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: email.uah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello, I'm trying to capture modem configurations to a specific file for later review in a script. Currently I'm looping through the modem pool setting new configs. As part of the loop iteration, I would like to also "open append" a specific file (e.g. modcfg.tmp), have the modem display it's new configuration (which is spooled to the file), close the file (until the next iteration where it will again be "open appended", modem config output captured to file, file closed...etc...). Is this possible? Kermit seems to be able to capture just about every other source of data to a file, this one isn't obvious to me. Thanks in advance for the help? Regards, Frank Gossett gossettf@email.uah.edu P.S. I'm using K95 on a small Pentium. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 26 14:57:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA25886 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA01922 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!news.waterloo.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 wyse60 emultation soon? Date: 26 Jun 1996 17:34:36 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4qrsbc$mrm@samba.rahul.net> References: <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Robert J. Strickler (bstrickl@thrunet.net) wrote: : We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 : emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the : wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 : expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 : terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this : emulation. Any estimates on the availability? You don't mention what kind of connection you are using. I used MSKermit under Win95 for dialup access for a while, until I got K95. If you need TCP connectivity that would be a different story, but the serial portion of MSK 3.14 worked fine. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 26 15:15:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28769 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02278 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How capture selective output to file? Date: 26 Jun 1996 19:14:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4qs276$274@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4qrqnm$a7b@info.uah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4qrqnm$a7b@info.uah.edu>, Frank A. Gossett wrote: : I'm trying to capture modem configurations to a specific file for : later review in a script. Currently I'm looping through the modem : pool setting new configs. As part of the loop iteration, I would : like to also "open append" a specific file (e.g. modcfg.tmp), have : the modem display it's new configuration (which is spooled to the : file), close the file (until the next iteration where it will : again be "open appended", modem config output captured to file, : file closed...etc...). : : Is this possible? Kermit seems to be able to capture just about : every other source of data to a file, this one isn't obvious to me. : Sure, it's easy. Your script program would: 1. Make the connection to the terminal server, using INPUT and OUTPUT commands as described in "Using C-Kermit", chapter 13. 2. INPUT the terminal server prompt. 3. LOG SESSION name APPEND 4. OUTPUT the command to show the configuration of the desired modem. 5. Repeat steps 2-4 for each modem. 6. CLOSE SESSION. It wasn't clear to me if you wanted a once file for all modems, or a separate file for each modem, but the latter is just a small variation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jun 26 15:16:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29134 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA02337 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 15:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 wyse60 emultation soon? Date: 26 Jun 1996 19:16:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4qs2b1$28v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net> <4qrsbc$mrm@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4qrsbc$mrm@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Robert J. Strickler (bstrickl@thrunet.net) wrote: : : We have a client that is currently using w3.1 and procomm with wyse60 : : emulation, the accounting system has been modified to generally expect the : : wyse60 and it looks to be expensive to unmodify it to a more generic vt100 : : expectation. They would like to move about 25 workstations to w95 and a 95 : : terminal emulator. K95 looks like a great fit except that it needs this : : emulation. Any estimates on the availability? : : You don't mention what kind of connection you are using. : I used MSKermit under Win95 for dialup access for a while, until I got K95. : If you need TCP connectivity that would be a different story, but the serial : portion of MSK 3.14 worked fine. : But MS-DOS Kermit does not include Wyse60 emulation, only Wyse50, which is different. Kermit 95 1.1.5 will emulate Wyse 30, 50, 60, and 370. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 27 10:18:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA26330 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14441 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!tulane.edu!usenet From: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F Mcbrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 wyse60 emultation soon? Date: 27 Jun 1996 08:39:22 -0500 Organization: Tulane University Lines: 12 Sender: jmcbray@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu Message-ID: References: <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net> <4qrsbc$mrm@samba.rahul.net> <4qs2b1$28v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rs6.tcs.tulane.edu In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 26 Jun 1996 19:16:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.8 >>>>> "FdC" == Frank da Cruz writes: FdC> But MS-DOS Kermit does not include Wyse60 emulation, only Wyse50, FdC> which is different. Kermit 95 1.1.5 will emulate Wyse 30, 50, FdC> 60, and 370. Will this code be folded into C-Kermit? If so, will it be in 5A(192) or a later version? -- --------------------------------------------------------------+ Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu | Cosmic indifference sure is a drag. -- Akbar (or is it Jeff?) | From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 27 10:24:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA27363 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14548 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 wyse60 emultation soon? Date: 27 Jun 1996 14:24:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4qu5i7$e6h@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4qovhu$f4u@blue.thrunet.net> <4qrsbc$mrm@samba.rahul.net> <4qs2b1$28v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jason F Mcbrayer wrote: : >>>>> "FdC" == Frank da Cruz writes: : FdC> But MS-DOS Kermit does not include Wyse60 emulation, only Wyse50, : FdC> which is different. Kermit 95 1.1.5 will emulate Wyse 30, 50, : FdC> 60, and 370. : : Will this code be folded into C-Kermit? If so, will it be in 5A(192) : or a later version? : It depends on the operating system. C-Kermit for UNIX, VMS, etc, does not emulate any kind of terminal. OS/2 C-Kermit does include terminal emulation and so it will include Wyse emulation in the next release, if any (see the thread from a few weeks ago about the future of OS/2 C-Kermit). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 27 13:47:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12548 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19923 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ingr.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!email!gossettf From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How issue ctrl char sequence from kermit output cmd? Date: 27 Jun 1996 17:14:44 GMT Organization: The University of Alabama in Huntsville Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4qufi5$9qt@info.uah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: email.uah.edu Summary: Need to issue a break sequence to terminate a reverse telnet Keywords: Control_Sequences Break Interrupt Suspend X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hi, I need to emulate a keyboard sequence from the Kermit Output stmt. There are, from what I can tell, two characters generated from the keyboard sequence 1. [ctrl-shift-6] // the "^" char preceded by // ......a scan code or // something? Can this be emulated // from an Output stmt? and 2. x // I think I can handle this one. This is used to break out of a telnet connection to a modem that is connected to a Cisco 2511 Access Server. After the sequence is issued, the session is in the server command mode where I may then disconnect from the server and reestablish another telnet connection to the next modem in the series (and get/set it's config). It is a little awkward going through the access server to break the modem connection (e.g. telnet ip_address port#) but not as bad as it could be I suppose (beats manually entering/retrieving the configs). Again...thanks in advance for your assistance. Frank Gossett University of Alabama in Huntsville From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 27 15:23:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29026 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA22192 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!sgigate.sgi.com!mr.net!news.mr.net!wavefront.com!news From: mrdorn@wavefront.com (Mike Dorn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: File transfer between AOS/VS and MS-DOS Date: 23 Jun 1996 21:09:25 GMT Organization: WaveFront Communications, Inc. Lines: 117 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4qkbq5$mf2@news5.wavefront.com> References: <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr> <4qh2ie$f7r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wf-1-6.wavefront.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5460 comp.os.aos:764 In article <4qh2ie$f7r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says... > >In article <31CB9ADB.432C@soback.kornet.nm.kr>, >Dong G. Kim wrote: >: We are using Data General MV/60000 HA-1 and its OS is AOS/VS II. >: And we use C-Kermit and MS-Kermit protocol for file transfer between two >: systems. It is fairly well in operation but too slow to send or receive >: a large file. Approximately, it give us 300cps performance with 28.8Kbps >: modem. I thought, there is no solution to improve the file transfer >: speed. >: Recentry, I saw the FAQ list about Kermit. And I get to know Kermit is >: not a low performance file transfer protocol. >: It said that we can tune up the Kermit to improve the speed. >: Especially, long packet size and multiple windows, etc. >: >: And I got the current version of C-Kermit and MS-Kermit now. >: C-Kermit 5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 repectively. >: Then I tested using them. >: >: From AOS/VS to MS-DOS(download), it was great!! More than 4 or 5 times >: faster than before. No retries at all. I had excited. >: >: But, from MS-DOS to AOS/VS(upload), I failed every times. There were too >: many retries. Sometimes, program aborted caused by retries. Sometimes, >: file has been trnasferred to PC with about 100 times retries. >: You can imagine, how performance it was! >: But, I don't know why. >: Please help to solve this problem. >: >: The only changed parameters by me are as follows; >: >: set receive packet-length 2000 >: set block 3 >: set wind 4 >: >It sounds like a lack of flow control. The PC is sending bytes faster >than the MV system can read them, and so some of the incoming bytes are >lost before Kermit even gets a chance to read them. > >The same thing happens, by the way, on a Telnet connection. AOS/VS >C-Kermit can send files at high speed using large packet and Window sizes, >but it can not receive them that way. > >So I think we have a lack of adequate flow control combined with a >terminal driver that is not designed to receive large amounts of input >(regardless of the communication method). > >The best solution is to enable a good method of flow control. Start >Kermit this way: > > ) char/on/hifc/hofc > ) x kermit > C-Kermit> set flow keep > >This tells AOS/VS to enable RTS/CTS flow control on your login port, and >"set flow keep" tells Kermit not to try to change the flow control on the >port. Of course RTS/CTS must also be enabled on the modem that is >connected to the port. > >If that doesn't work, then try using Xon/Xoff software flow control: > > ) char/on/ifc/ofc > ) x kermit > C-Kermit> set flow xon/xoff > >In this case you must enable LOCAL Xon/Xoff flow control in the modem. > >If you are still having trouble, then try using a smaller packet size >and/or window size when sending to AOS/VS. Remember, the rule is: > > For any given connection, there is an optimum combination > of packet and window size. > >If you make it smaller, the transfer will go unnecessarily slow. If you >make it bigger there will be errors. The nice thing about Kermit is that >it has commands to let you control every aspect of its operation and >configure optimally for every connection. > >By the way, most of the above is covered in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", >in the file transfer section and in the AOS/VS appendix. > >Finally, you might want to look at the new C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta test, >which is available for AOS/VS as well as UNIX and VMS. It is in the >kermit/test directory tree on kermit.columbia.edu. > >- Frank Remember also that DG's serial I/O does not work the same way it does on a PC or Unix box: reads & writes are done as requests that are submitted at i/o bus speeds to an external intelligent preprocessor (IAC,ITC, etc) which actually performs the serial i/o at whatever baud rate, using its own separate resources & ring buffers. The off-loaded processor performs all character echo, cursor positioning, simple editing and delimiter detection without help from the main CPU. This works fine when sending--if the progam (Kermit) requests a transmit of a large packet of data, the os will simply split it into pieces to send to the IAC, and send the next piece as soon as one piece has made it into the ring buffer. When receiving, however, you get a totally different story. Depending on how the Kermit program running on the DG is written, it may be completely impossible for you to receive a packet larger than the input ring buffer size (usually 128 bytes, unless you sysgened that IAC for a different size buffer). Suggest you use as large a size as practical for DG->PC transmission, keep it under 128 for PC->DG. If your need for Kermit xfers are limited to a few specific serial ports, you can re-gen that particular device to give most of the ring buffer space to the one port, and keep the packet size below that value. (See manuals or release notice for your current rev of VSII for max buffer memory on your specific serial device.) -Good luck! ---------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Dorn mrdorn@wavefront.com Little Canada, Minnesota The fundamental economic problem for most Americans is not that their taxes are too high, but that their wages are too low. ---------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 27 16:16:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09049 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23527 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!genmagic!usenet From: William Mills Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit. Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:03:49 -0700 Organization: General Magic, Inc. Lines: 48 Message-ID: <31D2DB15.660F@genmagic.com> References: <31C86923.4868@genmagic.com> <31CAFD40.30ED@macau.ctm.net> Reply-To: mills@genmagic.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeep.genmagic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) I have C-Kermit 5A(190) and a new version of the rz/sz whic I got from ohmen.com. I do the following: set modem hayes set line /dev/tty00 set baud 9600 dial ######## connect (Go through the login stuff by hand and start a ZMODEM send from THAT end, I am getting the files.) ^\c !sz -L1024 -b This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied" !sz -L1024 -b < /dev/tty00 > /dev/tty00 This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied" Am I doing something wrong? TIA -bill SAM, Chi-Kin wrote: > > William Mills wrote: > > > > It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to ...snip... > > The SZRZ can be called within C-kermit in Sun OS, in fact I have the following line in > my .kermrc: > > define autosz1 apc rz1, !sz -L1024 -b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 > > In fact, this macro also initial the auto receive of z-modem transfer by my MS-kermit, > so if you would want to go so complicated, you can initial sz tranfer, after enter > C-kermit by: > > !sz > > Note: above method need the exist of the sz/rz program. > > Cheers, > --SAM > -- From news@columbia.edu Thu Jun 27 16:24:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10146 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23654 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 16:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!nntp.uio.no!Norway.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: linedraw chars in vt320 emulation Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 19:50:25 GMT Message-ID: References: <4qrf91$mdv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 28 In <4qrf91$mdv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes: > Evidently it does not do this in MS-DOS Kermit, so that's a bug that we > will have to fix. The bug involves 8-bit SS2 only. If you use SS2 in its > 7-bit form: > > ESC N > > everything works fine, so you might be able to work around the problem by > telling your application that you have a 7-bit connection, hopefully > coercing it to send C1 controls in their 7-bit form. We don't have any control over the application, we simply telnet to it over a private network. I tried several things to make it send 7-bit controls, but it insists on using SS2 to draw the boxes. It doesn't seem to use either terminfo or termcap but it recognizes both vt220 and vt220-8 as terminal type. Of course, vt220 uses 8-bit controls as well and vt220-7 is not defined :-(. Would it work to use the "translate input" mechanism to translate SS2 into SS1 after storing DEC graphics into G1 with "set term char dec-spec g1"? regards, -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 37 415 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 09:16:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA20593 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA05457 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.ac.net!news.cais.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!Leiden.NL.net!chagall.cti-software.nl!news From: pim@chagall.cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-95 dialing out using reverse telnet Date: 27 Jun 1996 23:30:43 +0200 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4quui3$nig@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti-software.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.sys.cisco:41352 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5463 I am trying to get Kermit-95 to dial out through a Cisco 2511 router, using reverse telnet. telnetting to the router on port [2000+line number] and dialling out from there works fine for interactive sessions. Port [6000+line number] works fine too, but on both these port numbers, ZMODEM transfers fail. Kermit says the packets are too long and CRC errors occur on every packet. Only on port [4000+line number], ZMODEM transfers succeed. But on this port, interactive sessions are messy. I can get reasonable behaviour using the following Kermit-95 options: SET TELNET ECHO REMOTE SET TELNET BINARY-MODE REQUESTED SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE BINARY-MODE RAW SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE OFF I also tried telnet transparent on the Cisco line. But the problem remains that the remote application sees a CR/NL combination, whenever RETURN is pressed. Explanation of Cisco port numbers: port 2000: telnet ascii port 4000: raw TCP port 6000: telnet binary Incoming calls work just fine using the "terminal download" EXEC command before starting the telnet connection. -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3542302 Fax : +31 70 3512837 From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 09:58:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA27985 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA06519 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 09:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.sys.cisco,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-95 dialing out using reverse telnet Date: 28 Jun 1996 13:58:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4r0oef$6bl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4quui3$nig@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.sys.cisco:41356 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5464 In article <4quui3$nig@chagall.cti-software.nl>, Pim Zandbergen wrote: : I am trying to get Kermit-95 to dial out through a Cisco 2511 router, : using reverse telnet. : : telnetting to the router on port [2000+line number] and dialling out from : there works fine for interactive sessions. Port [6000+line number] works : fine too, but on both these port numbers, ZMODEM transfers fail. : Kermit says the packets are too long and CRC errors occur on every packet. : : Only on port [4000+line number], ZMODEM transfers succeed. But on this : port, interactive sessions are messy. I can get reasonable behaviour : using the following Kermit-95 options: : : SET TELNET ECHO REMOTE : SET TELNET BINARY-MODE REQUESTED : SET TELNET NEWLINE-MODE BINARY-MODE RAW : SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE OFF : : I also tried : : telnet transparent : : on the Cisco line. But the problem remains that the remote application : sees a CR/NL combination, whenever RETURN is pressed. : : Explanation of Cisco port numbers: : : port 2000: telnet ascii : port 4000: raw TCP : port 6000: telnet binary : : Incoming calls work just fine using the "terminal download" EXEC command : before starting the telnet connection. : So you can have nice terminal sessions but Zmodem fails, or you can have Zmodem working OK but terminal sessions are fractured. But of course, Kermit transfers work in all cases, right? But you need to use Zmodem because the thing you are calling from the Cisco does not support Kermit? The real solution is to have Kermit installed everywhere -- we designed it to work in situations like this, that's what it's for. Obviously Kermit 95 can't control how the Cisco works. It can initiate the needed Telnet negotiations -- as you have commanded it to do -- but that does not guarantee that the Cisco will agree, or even that if it does agree, it will behave properly. Isn't there are way to use port 2000 / telnet ascii with the "terminal download" setting? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 10:11:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00185 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06918 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!news.adelaide.on.net!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: logging errors Date: 24 Jun 1996 19:57:14 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4qlqi2$bqt@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Hi, is it possible to log only the informational messages in a C-Kermit session (e.g. connection/disconnection/error messages) without doing a full session or debug log? The kind of detail given below is a little verbose when what one really wants to record is the disconnection reason: hupok xitwarn=0 hupok network=1 hupok ttyfd=-1 doexit exitstat=0 doexit what=-1 ttclos ttyfd=-1 conres cgmf=1 conres isatty ok conres restoring ioctl C-Kermit EXIT status=0 -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 11:11:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10884 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09156 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: logging errors Date: 28 Jun 1996 15:11:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4r0sni$8u2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4qlqi2$bqt@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4qlqi2$bqt@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Hi, is it possible to log only the informational messages in a C-Kermit : session (e.g. connection/disconnection/error messages) without doing a : full session or debug log? : : The kind of detail given below is a little verbose when what one really : wants to record is the disconnection reason: : : C-Kermit EXIT status=0 : There is presently no fine-grained control over the debug log. It's one of the many thousands of items on our list of things to do. If somebody would like to add a new log type -- "LOG CONNECTIONS" -- the source code is out there, go to town :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 12:21:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23059 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10893 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!ratty.wolfe.net!usenet From: Baus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Check for call waiting? Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:01:13 -0700 Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C. Lines: 19 Message-ID: <31D42BF9.539@WolfeNet.Com> References: <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com> <96177.111720HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts2-p51.wolfenet.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) To: "H. D. Knoble" H. D. Knoble wrote: > > In article <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com>, Baus says: > > >Anyone know how (or if it is possible) to check for call waiting on a > >phone line before sending the dialing string? > > >Thanks, > > Steve, depends on the service provider you're using. For Bell Atlantic > if you dial (by phone) *70 and hear two beeps and a dial tone, > you have Call Waiting. To cancel it for a modem call, prepend > the "Cancel Call Waiting" string, followed by a Comma, to the > phone number. E.g., *70,123-4567Problem is that I want the computer to figure out if there is call waiting and then if so use the correct dialing string. Want to keep the end user out of the loop if possible. Thanks, Steve From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 14:29:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15166 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13793 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!drn From: SAM@columbia.edu, Chi-Kin@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and WfWorkgroups Date: 28 Jun 1996 07:03:51 -0700 Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com> References: <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.109 In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de says... > >Hello everybody, > >I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read >the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked. >My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit >works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a >"unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ? > >Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently... > > Robert >-- >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) >noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA >e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de >URL : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction) >------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup 3.11, I have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with DTR speed at at least 57600bps without any problem. BTW, my pc is running standalone without any networking stuff. Cheers, --SAM From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 14:29:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15164 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA13796 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!drn From: SAM@columbia.edu, Chi-Kin@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem and Kermit. Date: 28 Jun 1996 06:51:11 -0700 Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 75 Message-ID: <4r0o0f$a5s@doc.zippo.com> References: <31C86923.4868@genmagic.com> <31CAFD40.30ED@macau.ctm.net> <31D2DB15.660F@genmagic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.109 In article <31D2DB15.660F@genmagic.com>, William says... > >I have C-Kermit 5A(190) and a new version of the rz/sz whic I got from ohmen.com. > >I do the following: > >set modem hayes >set line /dev/tty00 >set baud 9600 >dial ######## >connect > >(Go through the login stuff by hand and start a ZMODEM send from THAT end, I am getting the >files.) > >^\c >!sz -L1024 -b > This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied" >!sz -L1024 -b < /dev/tty00 > /dev/tty00 > This results in "/dev/ttypa permission denied" > > >Am I doing something wrong? > >TIA >-bill > >SAM, Chi-Kin wrote: >> >> William Mills wrote: >> > >> > It used to be possible when rz was a friendlier package to >...snip... >> >> The SZRZ can be called within C-kermit in Sun OS, in fact I have the following line in >> my .kermrc: >> >> define autosz1 apc rz1, !sz -L1024 -b \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 >> >> In fact, this macro also initial the auto receive of z-modem transfer by my MS-kermit, >> so if you would want to go so complicated, you can initial sz tranfer, after enter >> C-kermit by: >> >> !sz >> >> Note: above method need the exist of the sz/rz program. >> >> Cheers, >> --SAM >> -- Oh, you need to put the filename in the sz command line, suppose you want to send a binary file called aa-prog.exe, then the format should be as follow: !sz -b aa-prog.exe -b for binary transfer If you line condition is very clean, than you may try to force long packet in following way: !sz -L1024 -b aa-prog.exe If you don't put filename in the sz command line which I believe the sz would for the terminal port as a file and cause the permission denied fault. BTW, the filename can be a group of files: !sz -b *.exe Cheers, --SAM From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 15:14:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22981 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA14748 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:14:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!genmagic!usenet From: William Mills Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:56:28 -0700 Organization: General Magic, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> Reply-To: mills@genmagic.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeep.genmagic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Where can I find a version of Z-modem that DOES work with C-Kermit? I have both the Kermit 190 and 192 versions compiled. Someone must know the answer to this. Thanks. -bill From news@columbia.edu Fri Jun 28 15:27:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA24830 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA15065 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: 28 Jun 1996 19:27:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com>, William Mills wrote: : Where can I find a version of Z-modem that DOES work with C-Kermit? I : have both the Kermit 190 and 192 versions compiled. : Someone must know the answer to this. : Here is the definitive answer. You have to go to Omen Technology and request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input and output, and therefore can be redirected. The versions that are floating around on the net are, in general, not redirectable. In any case, if you need to use Zmodem protocol, then please do its inventor, Chuck Forsberg, the courtesy of obtaining up-to-date implementations of it from his company (Omen), rather than excavating 10-year-old versions and hacking them up to be redirectable (this comment is not directed at anyone in particular, but rather towards a trend that has been evident on the net for some years). This way, you have an up-to-date and supported version of the software, and the people who make it get some business so they can stay in business. Everybody wins. Makes sense, right? Send inquiries to Omen Technology by email to sales@omen.com. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 29 02:20:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA20392 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 02:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA29582 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 02:20:52 -0400 (EDT) From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and WfWorkgroups Message-ID: <1996Jun28.210616.82182@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Jun 96 21:06:16 MDT References: <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de> <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.fibr.net!imci4!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd In article <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com>, SAM, Chi-Kin writes: > In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de says... >> >>Hello everybody, >> >>I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read >>the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked. >>My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit >>works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a >>"unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ? >> >>Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently... >> >> Robert >>-- >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) >>noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA >>e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de >>URL : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction) >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > I am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup 3.11, > I have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with DTR > speed at at least 57600bps without any problem. BTW, my pc is running standalone > without any networking stuff. --------- If you are using Microsoft's NDIS v2 (16-bit) board handler then please refer to the dis_pkt9 shim material shipped with the MS-DOS Kermit kit. It's also available separately as file dis_pkt9.zip in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu. With that .zip file is text file WFW.TXT which explains how to configure things. If you are using Novell's ODI board handler then apply odipkt and winpkt on the top. Instructions included with MS-DOS Kermit kit. Please realize that trying to run two TCP/IP stacks at the same time over the same board is basically insecure at best. We don't recommend it nor do we support it. And a note for readers: please include sufficient context to help us give meaningful answers. If you are using MSK then over which comms pathway is a critical piece of information for us to know. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 29 20:11:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10303 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA09720 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsrelay.netins.net!news.netins.net!mcrware.microware.com!jejones From: jejones@microware.com (James Jones) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: 29 Jun 1996 23:31:38 GMT Organization: Microware Systems Corp., Des Moines, Iowa Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4r4ecq$bdn@mcrware.microware.com> References: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mork.microware.com In article <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com>, >William Mills wrote: >: Where can I find a version of Z-modem that DOES work with C-Kermit? I >: have both the Kermit 190 and 192 versions compiled. >: Someone must know the answer to this. >: >Here is the definitive answer. You have to go to Omen Technology and >request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input >and output, and therefore can be redirected.... An alternative answer might be to buy a copy of Tim Kientzle's *The Working Programmer's Guide to Serial Protocols* (Coriolis Group, 1995), which includes a floppy with sources for various protocols, one of which is zmodem. One should note that said source code is *not* freely copyable, but the terms indicated in the book seem to me personally very reasonable. IMHO the book is well worth the price for the text, much less the floppy. James Jones Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of any organization. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 29 20:54:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16594 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA10472 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: 30 Jun 1996 00:33:40 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4r4i14$kms@samba.rahul.net> References: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Here is the definitive answer. You have to go to Omen Technology and : request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input : and output, and therefore can be redirected. The versions that are Frank, I thought that was exactly the point. The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and stdout, making it redirectable. The only newer versions I have seen specifically use /dev/tty (If I recall correctly), and comments near that point indicate that a hack to make it redirectable is a violation of copyright. I have not pursued a newer version of ZModem from Chuck, because I thought he has made it clear in this group (and others) that the current usage of Unix-ZModem is only to talk to registered PC ZModem products. Any other usage, including Unix-to-Unix, is not allowed. Or do you already know that the "request" cited above will be denied? I have the 1988, Public Domain szrz source sitting on ftp.rahul.net:pub/dold/szrz.zip -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jun 29 21:45:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA23945 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA11382 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 21:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.ufl.edu!usenet From: GLP@sleepy (Gregory Pugh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 8051 kermit Date: 30 Jun 1996 01:36:26 GMT Organization: SHANDS HOSPITAL Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4r4lmq$gbr@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: sleepy.anest.ufl.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 I wrote file send and receive programs for the 8051 microcontroller using the kermit protocol. They can be found on Columbia's kermit ftp site or my web server at http://sleepy.anest.ufl.edu/~glp/8051.html. They are separate programs due to the limited memory of the 8051 (64k rom & 64k ram) I use them to download wav files for analysis. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 30 03:41:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15812 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA18948 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and WfWorkgrou Date: 30 Jun 1996 03:30:25 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4r5aeh$mvf@dorsai.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: dorsai.dorsai.org }> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc }> Message-ID: <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com> }> I -- am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup }> I 3.11, have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with So do I - with one risk, MS-Schedule+ pulls me back into Windows for Reminders and then locks up. So I use it mostly from DOS. Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- -(Composed offline at 17h41 06029096)- --- þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 30 04:24:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA22106 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 04:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA19763 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 04:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!drn From: SAM@columbia.edu, Chi-Kin@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and WfWorkgroups Date: 29 Jun 1996 23:56:11 -0700 Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4r58eb$fb4@doc.zippo.com> References: <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de> <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com> <1996Jun28.210616.82182@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.114 In article <1996Jun28.210616.82182@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu says... > >In article <4r0oo7$acp@doc.zippo.com>, SAM, Chi-Kin writes: >> In article <4qodng$8i2@trumpet.uni-mannheim.de>, robo@rumpelkammer.uni-mannheim.de says... >>> >>>Hello everybody, >>> >>>I want to use Kermit in a Dos-Box under Windows for Workgroups. Yes, I read >>>the notes about using ndis3pkt and pktmux, but none of them worked. >>>My Question is: Does anybody here have a running configuration where Kermit >>>works properly in the DOS Windows without complaining about a >>>"unknown Hardware for Port" and so on... ? >>> >>>Thanks a lot in advance. I do need a solution for this really urgently... >>> >>> Robert >>>-- >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>Robert Braeutigam Hambacher Tal 94 64646 Heppenheim (Home of the apollos...) >>>noch Student der Informatik Fachhochschule fuer Technik und Gestaltung MA >>>e-mail: robo@rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de oder robo@freddy.rz.fht-mannheim.de >>>URL : http://rummelplatz.uni-mannheim.de/~robo (under slight construction) >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> I am costantly running MSkermit in a dos box under Windows for Workgroup 3.11, >> I have script auotmatic login to access my internet shell account with DTR >> speed at at least 57600bps without any problem. BTW, my pc is running standalone >> without any networking stuff. >--------- > If you are using Microsoft's NDIS v2 (16-bit) board handler then >please refer to the dis_pkt9 shim material shipped with the MS-DOS Kermit >kit. It's also available separately as file dis_pkt9.zip in directory >drivers on netlab2.usu.edu. With that .zip file is text file WFW.TXT which >explains how to configure things. > If you are using Novell's ODI board handler then apply odipkt and >winpkt on the top. Instructions included with MS-DOS Kermit kit. > Please realize that trying to run two TCP/IP stacks at the same time >over the same board is basically insecure at best. We don't recommend it nor >do we support it. > And a note for readers: please include sufficient context to help >us give meaningful answers. If you are using MSK then over which comms pathway >is a critical piece of information for us to know. > Joe D. As a small experience, I was able to load the SLIP packet driver and connected to the internet CISCO router, then load the WINPKT and WFW3.11. Open two telnet sessions, each session connected to one of my shell accounts in a dos box and running for half hour without any difficult. (The DTR rate was at 57600bps) --SAM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 30 10:08:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20099 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA14452 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 10:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: 30 Jun 1996 14:08:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4r61o3$e3i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4r4i14$kms@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4r4i14$kms@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : Here is the definitive answer. You have to go to Omen Technology and : : request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input : : and output, and therefore can be redirected. The versions that are : : Frank, I thought that was exactly the point. : The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and : stdout, making it redirectable. : The only newer versions I have seen specifically use /dev/tty (If I recall : correctly), and comments near that point indicate that a hack to make it : redirectable is a violation of copyright. : I have not pursued a newer version of ZModem from Chuck, because I thought : he has made it clear in this group (and others) that the current usage of : Unix-ZModem is only to talk to registered PC ZModem products. : Any other usage, including Unix-to-Unix, is not allowed. : I can't claim to speak for Chuck. Anybody who wants to know anything about Zmodem should go to the definitive source. My personal opinion is that Chuck made a significant contribution to the online culture of the 1980s and 90s and beyond: he invented a protocol, and wrote software, that is used by millions. Now he has a company whose aim, at least in part, is continued development and support of that protocol and software. Some people think this a bad thing, because they don't want to pay for what they used to get for free. I don't think it's so bad -- what would you rather have him do, work at a bank? One of the basic principles that makes the world go 'round is that people are paid to work. I asked Chuck about using Zmodem with Kermit. He said (and I paraphrase): 1. The public domain rz/sz is about a decade old, but Omen still supports it via their 900 number, 1-900-555-7836. 2. Rz/sz 3.xx are designed for dial-in use only. 3. Current versions of the Omen product Professional-YAM can be called from other programs to perform file transfers with ZMODEM-90(Tm) and other protocols in either dial-out or dial-in applications. In other words, Omen *does* have a Zmodem product that can be called from Kermit, so I think the right thing for those who want to have Zmodem transfers on Kermit connections would be to license up-to-date supported Zmodem software from its original maker. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 30 11:34:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA03260 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16160 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 8051 kermit Date: 30 Jun 1996 15:34:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4r66q6$fou@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4r4lmq$gbr@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4r4lmq$gbr@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>, Gregory Pugh wrote: : : I wrote file send and receive programs for the 8051 microcontroller using : the kermit protocol. They can be found on Columbia's kermit ftp site or my : web server at http://sleepy.anest.ufl.edu/~glp/8051.html. They are : separate programs due to the limited memory of the 8051 (64k rom & 64k : ram) I use them to download wav files for analysis. : Thanks, Greg! The files are on kermit.columbia.edu in the directory kermit/c. Their names all start with "i51", so you can ftp them as i51*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jun 30 21:30:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA25167 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA28675 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 21:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.eng.convex.com!newshost.convex.com!newsgate.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: 1 Jul 1996 00:56:47 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 39 Message-ID: <4r77of$apk@samba.rahul.net> References: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4r4i14$kms@samba.rahul.net> <4r61o3$e3i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Here is the definitive answer. You have to go to Omen Technology and : request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input : and output, and therefore can be redirected. The versions that are Clarence Dold wrote: : : Frank, I thought that was exactly the point. : : The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and : : stdout, making it redirectable. : I can't claim to speak for Chuck. Anybody who wants to know anything about : Zmodem should go to the definitive source. My personal opinion is that : Chuck made a significant contribution to the online culture of the 1980s and Oops. Two apologies on my part, in the same reply. First, I noted that the 1988 version of the source was online at rahul.net. That was the 1994 version, which I have since removed. I do use the 1988 version, rather than hacking the 1994 version, because I respect Chuck's decision to go commercial. The other is that I misunderstand Chuck's current intentions. I prowled his web page last night, after my post. I didn't see anything implying that szrz was available for use on a Unix machine to talk to anything other than the PC version of Chuck's products. I assume you have better knowledge than I do from reading the public posts by you and him, and my apparent misreading of his current web page. Because I have, and continue, to interpret Chuck's intentions the way I do, I don't want to buy current product from him. Therefore I don't use it. I use the 1988 version. The source for this seems to have disappeared from the repositories where it used to reside. I mistakenly put the 1994 version of source where I thought the 1988 version was, so I'll have to reload from an old tape, before the tape becomes brittle ;-) -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 02:11:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA26979 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 02:11:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA04703 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 02:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!kira.cc.uakron.edu!neoucom.edu!news.ysu.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!mel.dit.csiro.au!actcsiro!news.nsw.CSIRO.AU!dmsaffron.adl.dms.CSIRO.AU!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: logging errors Date: 30 Jun 1996 13:02:12 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4r4sfs$43j@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <4r0sni$8u2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4qlqi2$bqt@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, : Arthur Marsh wrote: : : Hi, is it possible to log only the informational messages in a C-Kermit : : session (e.g. connection/disconnection/error messages) without doing a : : full session or debug log? : : : : The kind of detail given below is a little verbose when what one really : : wants to record is the disconnection reason: : : : : C-Kermit EXIT status=0 : : : There is presently no fine-grained control over the debug log. It's one : of the many thousands of items on our list of things to do. If somebody : would like to add a new log type -- "LOG CONNECTIONS" -- the source code : is out there, go to town :-) For anyone actually considering the task, the reason I wanted to do this was to find out why a telnet connection being run as part of a script dropped out, without having to monitor all the i/o. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 08:46:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18095 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA00697 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!specialist.co.uk From: mark.scott@specialist.co.uk (Mark Scott) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Local Printing using MS-DOS Kermit Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 12:31:33 GMT Organization: Specialist Business Solutions Lines: 18 Message-ID: <836224302.23211.0@specialist.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: specialist.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: specialist.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 We have a problem using local printing in MS-DOS kermit. We are using standard Vt100 printer escape sequence to direct output from PC screen directly to printer port. On which is attached a small slip printer. It has DTR connected. The Pc is communicating with a UNIX host machine. The objective is to print a file from the host machine onto the local printer. The problem : For large files sent, the printed output contains corrupted information. (using the PC at the DOS prompt - copy >com1 it seems to print the same amount of text to the printer ok without corruption. However using the Print command does lead to corruption) Is there any way in the Kermit set commands to prevent this problem?? ---- Phil From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 10:25:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA00163 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03388 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Printing using MS-DOS Kermit Date: 1 Jul 1996 14:25:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <4r8n44$39p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <836224302.23211.0@specialist.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <836224302.23211.0@specialist.co.uk>, Mark Scott wrote: : We have a problem using local printing in MS-DOS kermit. : : We are using standard Vt100 printer escape sequence to direct output : from PC screen directly to printer port. On which is attached a small : slip printer. It has DTR connected. The Pc is communicating with a : UNIX host machine. The objective is to print a file from the host : machine onto the local printer. : What is a "slip printer"? You say "printer port" but then you say "DTR". The printer port is a parallel port. Parallel ports don't have DTR. : The problem : For large files sent, the printed output contains : corrupted information. (using the PC at the DOS prompt - copy >com1 it seems to print the same amount of text to the printer : ok without corruption. However using the Print command does lead to : corruption) : It sounds like your printer is attached to a serial port. Quoting from the KERMIT.BWR file from your MS-DOS Kermit diskette: "Serial printers are not well supported by DOS, and since Kermit does all its printing through DOS, Kermit's printing features might not work well with serial printers. To use a serial printer effectively, you must have a driver for it that takes care of flow control, such as UTILS\XONXOFF.COM." Here is UTILS\XONXOFF.HLP: FILE XONXOFF.HLP SERIAL PRINTER DRIVER September 1991 XONXOFF.COM is a tiny public domain serial printer driver for MS-DOS computers, written by Frank Whaley in 1989 and found by Joe Doupnik in the mirror/printer directory on wuarchive.wustl.edu. MS-DOS allows you to define a COM port as a printer device using the MODE command, for use with a serial printer, for example: MODE COM1:9600,N,8,1,P MODE LPT1:=COM1 However, MS-DOS does not provide flow control between itself and a serial printer. MS-DOS Kermit uses standard DOS calls for printer operations (print screen, transparent print, autoprint, etc). A common complaint is that these print operations do not work well with serial printers -- characters are lost or garbled, etc. XONXOFF.COM provides software (Xon/Xoff) flow control for serial printers. It works only for COM1 only. It installs itself as a terminate-and-stay-resident (TSR) program, intercepts DOS interrupt 17H, leaves the port baud rate and other parameters as found (so you must set them with the MODE command), and contains no provisions for de-installation. Run it from your AUTOEXEC.BAT file after giving the necessary MODE commands, for example: MODE COM1:9600,N,8,1,P MODE LPT1:=COM1 C:\KERMIT\UTILS\XONXOFF (End of XONXOFF.HLP) From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 13:12:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01094 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA08367 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!specialist.co.uk From: steves@specialist.co.uk (Steve Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: test Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 15:35:08 GMT Organization: Specialist Business Solutions Lines: 10 Message-ID: <836235397.23242.0@specialist.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: specialist.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: specialist.co.uk X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 test only ----------------------------------------------- __|o\_____ (_)\-----(_) ----------------------------------------------- Steve Smith steves@scg.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 17:12:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA14256 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA14280 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local Printing using MS-DOS Kermit Message-ID: <1996Jul1.095250.82230@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Jul 96 09:52:50 MDT References: <836224302.23211.0@specialist.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 In article <836224302.23211.0@specialist.co.uk>, mark.scott@specialist.co.uk (Mark Scott) writes: > We have a problem using local printing in MS-DOS kermit. > > We are using standard Vt100 printer escape sequence to direct output > from PC screen directly to printer port. On which is attached a small > slip printer. It has DTR connected. The Pc is communicating with a > UNIX host machine. The objective is to print a file from the host > machine onto the local printer. > > The problem : For large files sent, the printed output contains > corrupted information. (using the PC at the DOS prompt - copy file> >com1 it seems to print the same amount of text to the printer > ok without corruption. However using the Print command does lead to > corruption) > > Is there any way in the Kermit set commands to prevent this problem?? > ---- Phil ------------- MS-DOS Kermit goes to great pains to ensure every byte to be printed gets to DOS ok. But DOS is handling matters close to the printer. Thus I suggest you have a careful look at the DOS/Printer part of things, particularly flow control (you didn't say whether it's a serial or parallel port). There is another aspect worth thinking about. Printing via terminal emualtion is totally unguarded. If bytes are lost in transit because the client machine has interrupts suspended by some non-Kermit process then at best you get a Control-G replacement byte (if using real serial ports). A much better tactic is to transfer the file using the Kermit file transfer protocol, with destination of PRN. That is supposing the remote host side is configurable to do so. And, the "unguarding" comment can be extended to say lack of adequate flow control along the remote host to Kermit path can lead to lost bytes too (because DOS is in charge while a buffer is dumped from Kermit to DOS for printing, and DOS is not very polite about letting the machine run). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 18:12:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA23622 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15693 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!genmagic!usenet From: William Mills Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 13:46:28 -0700 Organization: General Magic, Inc. Lines: 54 Message-ID: <31D83924.7C11@genmagic.com> References: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> <4r1bnj$emm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4r4i14$kms@samba.rahul.net> <4r61o3$e3i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4r77of$apk@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: mills@genmagic.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeep.genmagic.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) I completely understand Omen's viewpoint on software that they own, and yes I feel that hacking their software and violating their specific copyright requirements is not a good thing. I do not think that C. Dold misread their website. I went through it a week or more ago and got the same thing from it, "Our software won't work with Kermit", and actually called to ask whether their software that they diustribute or sell would work for this. I was told to call the 900 number. I will NOT call a 900 number to find out that I need to buy one of their packages. That is absurd. They want to sell it, they ought to advertise that the capability is there. Frank, I respect your toe-ing the party line on registering and buying manuals, and in fact zmodem is good software and I agree that it was a contribution to the net in general. It would be way less annoying though if you said "There's a freely available version that will work, and you can get it at foo.com/bar/bax.gz, but you really ought to talk to Omen and get the fixed version." I want to use YOUR software the way it USED to work, if you know how to make that happen just tell us, OK? -bill Clarence Dold wrote: > > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : Here is the definitive answer. You have to go to Omen Technology and > : request a version of their Zmodem software that works over standard input > : and output, and therefore can be redirected. The versions that are > > Clarence Dold wrote: > : : Frank, I thought that was exactly the point. > : : The 1988 version of szrz, that I use, is public domain, and uses stdin and > : : stdout, making it redirectable. > > : I can't claim to speak for Chuck. Anybody who wants to know anything about > : Zmodem should go to the definitive source. My personal opinion is that > : Chuck made a significant contribution to the online culture of the 1980s and > ...snip... > The other is that I misunderstand Chuck's current intentions. > I prowled his web page last night, after my post. I didn't see anything > implying that szrz was available for use on a Unix machine to talk to > anything other than the PC version of Chuck's products. > I assume you have better knowledge than I do from reading the public posts > by you and him, and my apparent misreading of his current web page. > > Because I have, and continue, to interpret Chuck's intentions the way I > do, I don't want to buy current product from him. Therefore I don't > use it. I use the 1988 version. The source for this seems to have ...snip... From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 18:38:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA28859 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16283 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem -- compatible version for HPUX 9.3 Date: 1 Jul 1996 22:38:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4r9k1a$fsp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31D41CCC.45F9@genmagic.com> <4r61o3$e3i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4r77of$apk@samba.rahul.net> <31D83924.7C11@genmagic.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31D83924.7C11@genmagic.com>, William Mills wrote: : Frank, I respect your toe-ing the party line on registering and buying : manuals, and in fact zmodem is good software and I agree that it was a : contribution to the net in general. It would be way less annoying : though if you said "There's a freely available version that will work, : and you can get it at foo.com/bar/bax.gz, but you really ought to talk : to Omen and get the fixed version." I want to use YOUR software the way : it USED to work, if you know how to make that happen just tell us, OK? : Thanks -- but that just ain't my role. Everything I know on the subject has been posted already in this thread. I would conclude from Chuck's remark that his Professional YAM product "can be called from other programs in either dial-in or dial-out applications" that, in UNIX at least, it should work with C-Kermit, but I can't swear to it. As far as C-Kermit itself is concerned, it is even more capable than before of running other programs as external protocols if their standard input and output can be redirected. See the C-Kermit 6.0.192 beta, announced here recently, and its new SET PROTOCOL command. Nobody has yet reported testing it with Professional YAM, so I'm sure that would be a valuable contribution. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 1 20:10:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA11014 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!pecf.cathedral.org!uunet!inXS.uu.net!nntp.inet.fi!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!vesuri.Helsinki.FI!tlinden From: tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 80 characters as argument to echo Date: 30 Jun 1996 19:28:39 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4r6kh7$sqj@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> NNTP-Posting-Host: vesuri.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Supplying a line with 80 characters as an argument to echo gives two linefeeds and not one in MS-Kermit 3.14. I cannot find a way to suppress the extra linefeed for this special case. Is this a known problem? The problem can be seen with this simple take file: echo 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 echo 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 echo 3 echo 4 echo 5 echo 6 echo 7 echo 8 echo 9 echo 10 Tomas Linden ------------ Tomas.Linden@Helsinki.FI From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 2 19:08:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25344 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07046 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 19:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.5 Date: 2 Jul 1996 23:08:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 186 Message-ID: <4rca5e$6s3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Version 1.1.5 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT -- Serial (direct and modem), TCP/IP (Telnet and Rlogin), and Meridian Technology SuperLAT connections -- is now available from the Kermit Project at Columbia University. Kermit 95 offers a wide range of terminal emulations, Kermit and XYZMODEM file transfer, script programming, and international character-set translation. Kermit 95 is a native 32-bit Windows 95 and NT application on Intel platforms and (for NT only) also for the PowerPC and DEC Alpha. If you have not used Kermit 95 before, visit our Web site for a thorough introduction: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html The most important changes in version 1.1.5 are: . Thirteen new terminal emulations . Many new built-in keymaps and keyboard modes, including: - A complete keymap for each terminal type - An EMACS mode - An MS-DOS Kermit-compatible mode . Improved support for European keyboards . Improved color and attribute control and display . Scrollback, mouse features, and hot keys in the command window . Further integration of XYZMODEM with commands, displays, statistics . Serial-port speedups, as much as 84% . Autoupload (like autodownload, but in the other direction) . New, simplified script programming syntax and many new scripting features . Bug fixes And other improvements and new features too numerous to list here. For a complete description of the new release see: ftp://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/updates.doc TERMINAL EMULATION Kermit 95's terminal emulations now include Data General, Wyse, Televideo, and Heath models, as well as the Avatar, AT386, and SCOANSI types for use with BBSs and UNIX consoles. Here is the complete list, with new additions marked by "+": ANSI-BBS Standard ANSI BBS character graphics (color) + Avatar/0+ Enhanced BBS graphics (color) + AT386 UnixWare and Interactive UNIX consoles (color) + DG200 Data General DASHER 200 + DG210 Data General DASHER 210 + Heath19 Heath/Zenith-19 + SCOANSI SCO and Linux consoles (color) TTY Teletype + TV910+ Televideo 910+ + TV925 Televideo 925 + TV950 Televideo 950 VT52 Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) VT52 VT100 DEC VT100 + color VT102 DEC VT102 + color VT220 DEC VT220 + color VT320 DEC VT320 + color + WY30 Wyse 30 (and 30+ and 35) + WY50 Wyse 50 (and 50+) + WY60 Wyse 60 (and most of 120, 160, and 350) + WY370 Wyse 370 (color) Each emulation has its own COMPLETE built-in keymap. As you switch among emulations (which you can do with a new hot-key (Alt-T), your keymap also switches automatically. There is also a new EMACS mode, independent of your terminal type, that you can switch into and out of with a hot key (Ctrl-Alt-Shift-E, of course :-). VT emulation is improved in many ways, particularly the color extensions; new commands allow user selection of every possible combination of interpretations of how coloration should be applied during erasure, attribute reset, and so forth. Also, the blinking attribute is no longer simulated -- now blinking characters really blink. But you can still select color simulation of various attributes, now also including reverse. All previously reported emulation bugs are fixed. And there is now an MS-DOS Kermit compatibility mode, in which MS-DOS Kermit scan codes are accepted in by the SET KEY command and displayed by the SHOW KEY command. This allows the massive installed base of MS-DOS key settings files to be used with Kermit 95. And for those using the Latin-2 (East European) character set (for Polish, Czech, Hungarian, Croation, etc), there is now Compose-key support for the special characters and accents of these languages. This in addition to our Latin-1 (West European) Compose key, and our Hebrew and Russian keyboard modes. And hurray, The Windows 95 bugs that caused incorrect operation of Caps Lock and dead keys have been conquered, and so now both US and national keyboards of all kinds can be used in their normal ways. FILE TRANSFER You liked Kermit 95's autodownload feature? Now it has an autoupload feature too. If you tell the remote Kermit program to GET a file, Kermit 95 sends it automatically. XYZMODEM transfers have been more fully integrated into Kermit 95. They now use the Kermit-style fullscreen display, and most protocol related commands (such as file collision options) apply to them, and so on. THE COMMAND WINDOW The Command window now has many of the same features as the Terminal window, most notably scrollback, mouse shortcuts, and all of the Kverbs and hot keys that are not strictly related to terminal emulation. The syntax of the script programming language has been simplified, local (automatic) variables have been added, additional commands, variables, functions, and control structures are now available. BE LIKE TELNET A small thing, but lots of you asked for it. A new command-line option lets Kermit 95 work just like Telnet: k95 -J host [ port ] is just like "telnet host [ port ]" (where [ port ] is an optional TCP service port name or number). This opens up the Terminal window right away, and then when you log out from the host, Kermit 95 disappears automatically. In the meantime, you can escape back and reconnect all you want -- e.g. to transfer files. This is the perfect way to configure Kermit 95 as the Telnet program for your Web browser. (The TELNET.EXE that comes with Kermit 95 now starts K95 this way -- and there is also now a new counterpart RLOGIN.EXE for easy Rlogin connections.) AND LOTS MORE Literally hundreds of small improvements in response to requests from our users, and we've fixed every reported bug that could be addressed in our own code and, as you can see from the foregoing, found some creative workarounds for some of the Windows bugs too. HOW TO GET IT The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.5. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.5 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ or on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html WHAT'S NEXT Barring unforeseen circumstances, this will be the final console-mode-only release of Kermit 95, and also the final release that will work under Windows NT 3.xx. (Yes, that's what we said when we released 1.1.3 and 1.1.4, but most of the improvements in this new release came out of the GUI development work.) Henceforth all efforts will be directed at producing a full Windows 95 and NT 4.0 graphical-user-interface (GUI) version, which will be made available to current registered users of Kermit 95 at no additional cost. Work on the GUI version is well underway. In addition to the widely-desired change in the look and feel of the program, the conversion also frees us from a number of restrictions inherent in the use of Windows 95 console mode: . Character set and font restrictions . The 132-column mode bug in Windows 95 . Numerous bugs in the console-mode keyboard interface . Various difficulties with printing . Inability to emulate graphics terminals such as Tektronix Windows 95 or Windows NT 4.00 will be required to run the GUI version. Watch this space (and our Web page) for further announcements. Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone, Jeffrey E. Altman, Max Evarts, and Andy Newcomb The Kermit Project, Columbia University, New York City From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 2 20:13:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05526 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08854 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 20:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 80 characters as argument to echo Message-ID: <1996Jul2.064715.82267@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Jul 96 06:47:15 MDT References: <4r6kh7$sqj@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 In article <4r6kh7$sqj@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI>, tlinden@cc.Helsinki.FI (Tomas Linden) writes: > Supplying a line with 80 characters as an argument to echo gives two > linefeeds and not one in MS-Kermit 3.14. I cannot find a way to suppress the > extra linefeed for this special case. Is this a known problem? > > The problem can be seen with this simple take file: > > echo 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 123456789 > echo 2 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > echo 3 > echo 4 > echo 5 > echo 6 > echo 7 > echo 8 > echo 9 > echo 10 --------- The problem, I believe, is in the test itself. That is, the remote host doing the echoing of what you sent is wrapping the line at column 80 and that's the extra line feed. MSK does not have an 80 column sensor in the ECHO command. To doublecheck run MSK in 132 column mode if your display adapter cooperates. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 02:06:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA16397 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 02:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA18303 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 02:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!winternet.com!n1ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Check for call waiting? Date: 02 Jul 1996 23:40:25 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 15 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <31CFFAFD.30BC@WolfeNet.Com> <96177.111720HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> <31D42BF9.539@WolfeNet.Com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: Baus's message of Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:01:13 -0700 To: Baus X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 In article <31D42BF9.539@WolfeNet.Com> Baus writes: > I want the computer to figure out if there is call waiting and then if so > use the correct dialing string. I don't think that's possible. First of all, IMHO the telco doesn't issue any special tone on a line that's subject to CW. Second, you'd need a *very* special modem to recognise such a tone if it existed. As an aside, sometimes CW is good, not bad. In fact I got CW from the telco with the express purpose of interrupting my connection upon a call. Then I turn off the modem (or hang up DTR), take the call and talk. After I'm finished, it takes me 1 minute to reconnect, and my work is intact since I use "screen" which works in NOHUP (no hangup) mode. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 03:12:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA22958 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19412 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!sol.ccs.deakin.edu.au!usenet From: "Robin Stephens" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 upgrade Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:12:40 +1000 Organization: Integritas Lines: 19 Message-ID: <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc39-slip.ccs-stub.deakin.edu.au X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1080 After upgrading K95 from 1.1.4 to 1.1.5 the following message started appearing :- THIS COPY OF KERMIT SOFTWARE IS NOT REGISTERED. This software must be installed from the original diskettes using the SETUP procedure provided. It may not be downloaded or redistributed without a license from Columbia University. For further information send e-mail to kermit-orders@columbia.edu or call +1 (212) 854-3703. It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details. If I re-install from disk will the version go back to 1.1.4 ? Regards Robin Stephens From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 03:18:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA23426 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: file transfer Date: 03 Jul 1996 00:32:08 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 16 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 While I transfer from C-Kermit 5A(190) to DOS MS-Kermit 3.14, I notice that the packet size oscillates up and down from the initial 9000 to as low as 17. This makes so that more than half of the traffic is protocol, not data. I don't think the phone line is that bad, and I use a Supra V32bis 14.4 with LAPM and MNP5. The kermit parameters I use are: set baud 38400 ; my files are zipped, so this should be enough set flow-control rts/cts set block-check 3 ; 16-bit CRC set windows 5 set receive packet 9000 set send packet 9000 set control unprefixed all set control prefixed 0 1 3 13 129 131 141 What can I do to speed this up? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 03:20:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA23598 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA19535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 03:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wwa.com!news From: Jim Jacobus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.5 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 01:54:20 -0500 Organization: PonyXPress Horse Transportation Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31DA191C.5EB2@wwa.com> References: <4rca5e$6s3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vh1-042.wwa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) Frank da Cruz wrote: > > Version 1.1.5 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT > [snip] > Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone, > Jeffrey E. Altman, Max Evarts, and Andy Newcomb > The Kermit Project, Columbia University, New York City I downloaded and applied the patch to my 1.1.4 version last night. I wiped out my registration information. That didn't happen on the last patch. Is this a problem? How do I re-register? JJ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 09:13:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12214 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15165 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet From: Chancellors Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disable local echo in Telnet Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 11:01:37 -0100 Organization: UnipalmPIPEX server (post doesn't reflect views of UnipalmPIPEX) Lines: 10 Message-ID: <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: an067.du.pipex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190) on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session. On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on. Any ideas? Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 09:26:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14270 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15436 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 upgrade Date: 3 Jul 1996 13:26:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4rdsed$f29@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au>, Robin Stephens wrote: : : After upgrading K95 from 1.1.4 to 1.1.5 the following message started : appearing :- : : THIS COPY OF KERMIT SOFTWARE IS NOT REGISTERED. : This software must be installed from the original diskettes ... : : It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details. If I re-install : from disk will the version go back to 1.1.4 ? : Sorry, after thorough testing of the software and the patches, an error crept in at the packaging stage. It will be corrected today and a new set of patches, and recovery instructions, will be posted. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 10:14:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA23189 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16492 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!en.com!not-for-mail From: ccaihq@en.com (CCAI) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC UNIX/Alpha /dev/lat/## Date: 3 Jul 1996 13:15:35 GMT Organization: Exchange Network Services, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4rdrpn$u9@antares.en.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: en.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Can someone direct me to the FAQ for this group, please? We are having a number of problems getting a kermit polling process that used to work on an Interactive Unix box to now work on a DEC/Alpha. Thanks in advance. -- Paul R Secunde | The opinions expressed here are solely my Conley, Canitano, & Assoc., Inc. | own and in no way reflect any opinions or voice: 216-831-6240 x628 | policies of my employer. internet: pauls@ccai.attmail.com | From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 10:24:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24679 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16698 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 3 Jul 1996 14:24:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : While I transfer from C-Kermit 5A(190) to DOS MS-Kermit 3.14, I notice that : the packet size oscillates up and down from the initial 9000 to as low as : 17. This makes so that more than half of the traffic is protocol, not data. : I don't think the phone line is that bad, and I use a Supra V32bis 14.4 : with LAPM and MNP5. The kermit parameters I use are: : : set baud 38400 ; my files are zipped, so this should be enough : set flow-control rts/cts : set block-check 3 ; 16-bit CRC : set windows 5 : set receive packet 9000 : set send packet 9000 : set control unprefixed all : set control prefixed 0 1 3 13 129 131 141 : : What can I do to speed this up? : You are failing to be properly amazed that your transfers work at all :-) Kermit reduces its packet length automatically when there is an error. A very common cause of errors when you are using long packets is buffer overruns which, in turn, are caused by a lack of adequate flow control (are you sure the modem is set for RTS/CTS too?) and/or hardware problems -- for example, if you have an unbuffered UART and it is generating interrupts faster than the CPU can service them. No amount of error correction in the modem will do any good in a case like this, because the errors are occurring outside the modem-to-modem connection. Similar types of errors can be caused by other processes (including TSRs) that grab CPU cycles away from Kermit or, worse, turn off interrupts now and then. So Kermit automatically reduces the packet length in order to minimize the chance of buffer overruns. Like when you take your Jeep off the road and put it into 4-wheel drive and first gear to go up a steep bumpy mountain path. Read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 -- it talks about all of these problems in great detail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 10:27:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA25148 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16794 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC UNIX/Alpha /dev/lat/## Date: 3 Jul 1996 14:27:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4re00r$gco@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4rdrpn$u9@antares.en.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4rdrpn$u9@antares.en.com>, CCAI wrote: : Can someone direct me to the FAQ for this group, please? We are having a : number of problems getting a kermit polling process that used to work on : an Interactive Unix box to now work on a DEC/Alpha. Thanks in advance. : I doubt you will find an answer to this question in the FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Assuming you have already consulted the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and still can't diagnose the problem, then send a detailed problem report to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 17:50:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16305 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27180 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!winternet.com!n1ott.istar!ott.istar!istar.net!van.istar!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 03 Jul 1996 15:33:45 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 30 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Jul 1996 14:24:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 In article <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > A very common cause of errors when you are using long packets is buffer > overruns Frank, your diagnostic was very precise. I reduced the packet size from 9000 to 4096, and now kermit can sustain that rate indefinitely long. Maybe kermit's fallback strategy needs to be tuned up a bit? Why does it have to fall from 9000 all the way down to 17, if it can sustain at 4096? Here's some more info about my setup: > (are you sure the modem is set for RTS/CTS too?) Yes. > and/or hardware problems -- for example, if you have an unbuffered UART Yes, mine is an old XT286, and I presume it has a 1-byte UART (and so thinks kermit). My modem is set to 38.8k baud, although they say I need 57.4k baud when compression is used, but I don't think it can achieve much more than 14.4k with zipped files. > and it is generating interrupts faster than the CPU can service them. > ... other processes (including TSRs) that grab CPU cycles I use none. Kermit is all by itself. I even store the incoming file to a RAM disk, so storing time should not be a factor. Thanks, Vlad From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 18:22:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20657 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA27840 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 3 Jul 1996 22:22:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4rerqn$r5u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : In article <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : > A very common cause of errors when you are using long packets is buffer : > overruns : : Frank, your diagnostic was very precise. I reduced the packet size from : 9000 to 4096, and now kermit can sustain that rate indefinitely long. : Maybe kermit's fallback strategy needs to be tuned up a bit? Why does it : have to fall from 9000 all the way down to 17, if it can sustain at 4096? : So you were sending from C-Kermit to MS-DOS Kermit, so C-Kermit is the one who is shortening the packets. I agree, it should settle to a value that is optimal, and usually it does better than what you have observed. The algorithm is approximately this: Read a packet. If there is an error, reduce the packet size by half, down to some minimum. If there was not an error, increase it by 1/3, up to the negotiated max. So after "bottoming out" at 17, it should have gone back up. Why didn't it? I don't know. It usually does. I would need to see a packet log to give a better answer. If you want to send me one (don't post it), feel free. Send the one from C-Kermit, uuencoded. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 18:40:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24423 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA28274 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 03 Jul 1996 15:42:38 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 10 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Jul 1996 14:24:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 A bit more on the same topic: I did some more testing, and here's what I found. - packet sizes up to 7000 are sustainable - size 7500 causes kermit to drop to 3000, and then quickly climb back to 7500. - size 9000 causes kermit to drop all the way down to 17 and climb back slowly. There certainly is a PhD on dynamic systems hidden somewhere here :-) So I'll just stick with 7000, the overhead there is about 7% which is good enough :-) From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 19:22:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29718 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29335 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: whose side comm params take precedence? Date: 03 Jul 1996 15:51:39 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 3 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 If two kermits have different communication parameters set, which ones take precedence? I think for send/receive the packet size of the receiver takes precedence, or is the minimum of the two used? From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 19:27:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00447 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA29423 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: whose side comm params take precedence? Date: 3 Jul 1996 23:27:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4revl9$snd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : If two kermits have different communication parameters set, which ones take : precedence? I think for send/receive the packet size of the receiver takes : precedence, or is the minimum of the two used? : The answer depends on the parameter. See Table 8-1 on page 168 of "Using C-Kermit". The maximum packet length is governed by the receiver. That is, by whatever SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH you give to the file receiver. You can give a SET SEND PACKET-LENGTH command to the sender, but you can only use it to make the packets smaller, not larger. The sender can, of course, unilaterally decide to send a packet of any length at all, up to the maximum negotiated length. And that's what happens when errors occur. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 3 22:16:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20205 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02775 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: whose side comm params take precedence? Message-ID: <1996Jul3.183047.82321@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 96 18:30:47 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > If two kermits have different communication parameters set, which ones take > precedence? I think for send/receive the packet size of the receiver takes > precedence, or is the minimum of the two used? ----------- It all depends (the universal answer to all communications questions). The simple answer is the file sender (transmitter) first offers its max capabilities and then the receiver replies with the final set which is as much of the former that it is willing to accomodate. This is a two packet exchange, not the endless haggling that say Telnet can create. What is negotiated is the maximal common ground. The depends part is the client to server chatter starts off with a declaration of max capas from the client (servers wait for clients to arrive) followed by the negotitated max reply from the server. Each file group follows a similar strategy, with the requester of action (send or get) going first, negotiate, and that's followed shortly by the file but sender once again offering max etc. Gee, this reads as if it's Bazaar tactics. The initiator of something offers max capas followed by the reply of max common ground. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 4 04:17:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28154 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA10180 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!jobone!news2.acs.oakland.edu!condor.ic.net!news.sojourn.com!cancer.vividnet.com!hunter.premier.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!plug.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.aus.sig.net!news From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: K95 scan codes X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sanapin-amipc1.aus.sig.net Message-ID: <31db547a.296170267@news.aus.sig.net> Sender: news@sig.net (Signet ISP Network news) Reply-To: ami@sig.net Organization: Signet internet service provider network - sales@sig.net / 512-306-0700 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 05:24:37 GMT Lines: 10 Is there a list of scan codes for all the keys on a 101-key enhanced keyboard for Kermit95 (1.1.5) running on Win95? The 1.1.5 release notes describes a new MS-Kermit compatability mode so SET KEY can accept my existing key maps, but I would like to update my file to the Win95 scan codes. Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 4 04:24:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28601 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA10260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Message-ID: <1996Jul3.065644.82295@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 96 06:56:44 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > While I transfer from C-Kermit 5A(190) to DOS MS-Kermit 3.14, I notice that > the packet size oscillates up and down from the initial 9000 to as low as > 17. This makes so that more than half of the traffic is protocol, not data. > I don't think the phone line is that bad, and I use a Supra V32bis 14.4 > with LAPM and MNP5. The kermit parameters I use are: > > set baud 38400 ; my files are zipped, so this should be enough > set flow-control rts/cts > set block-check 3 ; 16-bit CRC > set windows 5 > set receive packet 9000 > set send packet 9000 > set control unprefixed all > set control prefixed 0 1 3 13 129 131 141 > > What can I do to speed this up? ---------- I've noticed the same effect over a network connection. What's occuring here are Kermit "rubber packets" where the length is halved after each error/outage, and then grows back more slowly after successes. But in your case the problem is overwhelming your modem or the remote host with 5*9000 bytes in a row, which is rather overdoing it. I'd recommend going back to a fairly standard 4 window slot and 1KB packet configuration. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 4 04:24:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28602 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA10262 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 04:24:46 -0400 (EDT) From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable local echo in Telnet Message-ID: <1996Jul3.070029.82296@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 96 07:00:29 MDT References: <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!pendragon!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors writes: > We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190) > on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session. > On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but > there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command > 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off > but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on. > > Any ideas? > > Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk ------------- Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise. Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options be negotiated when a session starts. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 4 12:08:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26719 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07892 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 scan codes Date: 4 Jul 1996 16:08:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4rgqa7$7mi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31db547a.296170267@news.aus.sig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31db547a.296170267@news.aus.sig.net>, Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: : Is there a list of scan codes for all the keys on a 101-key enhanced : keyboard for Kermit95 (1.1.5) running on Win95? : : The 1.1.5 release notes describes a new MS-Kermit compatability mode : so SET KEY can accept my existing key maps, but I would like to update : my file to the Win95 scan codes. : No, not yet. It's a matter of sitting down for a few hours and pressing every single key and key combination in a "show key" loop: while true { show key } and recording the results. We will do it eventually, but there are many other items on our list that have higher priority. In the meantime, if somebody else wants to do it and contribute the table, it would guarantee your instant 15 minutes of fame (if not fortune :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 4 13:55:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11985 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09727 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!01-newsfeed.univie.ac.at!news.iif.hu!isyshu!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!wave.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet From: Chancellors Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable local echo in Telnet Date: Thu, 04 Jul 1996 18:41:29 -0100 Organization: UnipalmPIPEX server (post doesn't reflect views of UnipalmPIPEX) Lines: 31 Message-ID: <31DC1E69.576A@dial.pipex.com> References: <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com> <1996Jul3.070029.82296@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aj150.du.pipex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) Joe Doupnik wrote: > > In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors writes: > > We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190) > > on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session. > > On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but > > there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command > > 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off > > but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on. > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk > ------------- > Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option > negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet > to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local > echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise. > Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection > process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options > be negotiated when a session starts. > Joe D. What we have is a viewdata service modified to enable it to receive incoming telnet connections which it listens for on its own port number. At present there is no negotiation on connection.When using kermit on the alpha to connect, all we need is to set telnet echo remote to give us the required behavior.We would like MS-DOS Kermit to behave in the same manner. Dave Stephens. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 4 16:24:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA01769 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA12627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 upgrade Message-ID: <1996Jul4.125922.143531@forest> Date: 4 Jul 96 12:59:22 EST References: <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 21 In article <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au>, "Robin Stephens" writes: > It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details. If I re-install > from disk > will the version go back to 1.1.4 ? > I re-ran the CKREG.EXE file (I think that's the name) and it re-added my registration number. The problem I'm having is with the dialer -- when I select a site to connect to, I'm getting all sorts of bizarre errors with odd characters in them when Kermit actually starts -- it looks like messed up versions of the settings for the service, in each case, like it's either corrupted or the patched dialer isn't reading the data file correctly. The actual file that's generating the error as Kermit tries to run it is NAME-OF-SERVICE.HKS (or is it HKC? Something like that. Unfortunatly, that's at work, and I'm off for the weekend.) I have a couple of distinct dialusr.dat files I've been using for testing purposes, though, and they *all* do it. Has anyone else run into this? From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 4 16:51:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06344 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13202 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Jul 1996 16:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 upgrade Date: 4 Jul 1996 20:51:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <4rharv$csg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au> <1996Jul4.125922.143531@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul4.125922.143531@forest>, Paul Coen wrote: : In article <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au>, : "Robin Stephens" writes: : > It seems the upgrade cleared my registration details. If I re-install : > from disk will the version go back to 1.1.4 ? : : I re-ran the CKREG.EXE file (I think that's the name) and it re-added : my registration number. : : The problem I'm having is with the dialer -- when I select a site to : connect to, I'm getting all sorts of bizarre errors with odd characters : in them when Kermit actually starts -- it looks like messed up versions : of the settings for the service, in each case, like it's either : corrupted or the patched dialer isn't reading the data file correctly. : : The actual file that's generating the error as Kermit tries to run : it is NAME-OF-SERVICE.HKS (or is it HKC? Something like that. : Unfortunatly, that's at work, and I'm off for the weekend.) : : I have a couple of distinct dialusr.dat files I've been using for testing : purposes, though, and they *all* do it. Has anyone else run into this? : Everybody who applied the first (July 2) patch ran into it. There was a packaging defect in the patch. A new patch was issued on July 3rd to correct the problem, along with instructions on how to back out of the first patch and apply the second one, and email was sent directly to all registered K95 users whose email addresses we have on file. If you are registered user of Kermit 95 but did not receive the email concerning the patches, please send email to kermit@columbia.edu with your registration number and your email address. In the meantime, anybody who applied the July 2 patch, and has a version of K95.EXE or K95DIAL.EXE identifying itself as Version 1.1.5 with a date of 2 July 1996, rather than 3 July 1996, should get the corrected patch and apply it. On the Web, visit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Or using anonymous ftp, go to site: kermit.columbia.edu and cd to the directory: kermit/k95/patches get the READ.ME file, read it, and go from there. Sorry for the inconvenience and confusion. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 04:03:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01030 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA24490 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 03:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable local echo in Telnet Message-ID: <1996Jul4.193857.82351@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jul 96 19:38:57 MDT References: <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com> <1996Jul3.070029.82296@cc.usu.edu> <31DC1E69.576A@dial.pipex.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news.mindspring.com!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd In article <31DC1E69.576A@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors writes: > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> >> In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors writes: >> > We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190) >> > on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session. >> > On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but >> > there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command >> > 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off >> > but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on. >> > >> > Any ideas? >> > >> > Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk >> ------------- >> Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option >> negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet >> to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local >> echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise. >> Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection >> process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options >> be negotiated when a session starts. >> Joe D. > > What we have is a viewdata service modified to enable it to receive > incoming telnet connections which it listens for on its own port number. > At present there is no negotiation on connection.When using kermit on the > alpha to connect, all we need is to set telnet echo remote to give us > the required behavior.We would like MS-DOS Kermit to behave in the same > manner. > > Dave Stephens. ------------- Since MS-DOS Kermit performs no Telnet Option initial offers when going to a TCP port other than 23 (Telnet) then the default Telnet conditions apply (meaning echo locally etc). They are established as a session commences. Once the session has begun you can give the command SET LOCAL-ECHO OFF at the Kermit prompt and that will let the remote host provide any data to the Kermit screen. Alternatively, a cleaner long term solution would be for your host end to perform Telnet Options negotiations to establish the desired behavior. The pair of Options necessary are SGA (Suppress Go Aheads) and ECHO, or even mimimally just the ECHO Option. The latter would look like this: host commands DONT ECHO (so client does not echo back host bytes) client responds WONT ECHO (client agrees to not echo back) host offers WILL ECHO (host offers to echo back to client) client responds DO ECHO (client agrees to that arrangement) You can see that without negotiation there is the chance that the client side will bounce host bytes back to the host, and I'm sure your application would not appreciate that. And it means one less Tech Support item for everyone. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 04:03:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01033 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22883 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 04 Jul 1996 23:40:14 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 7 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <1996Jul3.065644.82295@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 3 Jul 96 06:56:44 MDT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 In article <1996Jul3.065644.82295@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > in your case the problem is overwhelming your modem or the remote host > with 5*9000 bytes in a row, which is rather overdoing it. Actually I think it's 1 window, since this is the default on the sender side, which I didn't have the sense to change. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 04:03:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01037 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 04:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA22692 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 01:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!usenet From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 04 Jul 1996 23:34:27 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 13 Sender: vladimir@tees.cs.ualberta.ca Message-ID: References: <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4rerqn$r5u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Jul 1996 22:22:15 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 In article <4rerqn$r5u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > So after "bottoming out" at 17, it should have gone back up. Why didn't it? Oh, it does! Then it happily goes up to the top, then back down, and oscillates this way. > I would need to see a packet log to give a better answer. Ok, I'm sending one. It seemed to me that it hanged on the bottom of the first pit quite longer than in the other pits. If 10% of the software deveoplers in the world were as responsible as you guys are, the world would be a better place! From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 05:25:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA07750 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:25:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA26375 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 05:25:18 -0400 (EDT) From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Message-ID: <1996Jul4.223259.82354@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Jul 96 22:32:59 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > A bit more on the same topic: I did some more testing, and here's what I > found. > - packet sizes up to 7000 are sustainable > - size 7500 causes kermit to drop to 3000, and then quickly climb back to > 7500. > - size 9000 causes kermit to drop all the way down to 17 and climb back > slowly. > There certainly is a PhD on dynamic systems hidden somewhere here :-) > So I'll just stick with 7000, the overhead there is about 7% which is good > enough :-) ------------ Even overwhelming has degrees of excess. Far too many bytes can create a situation where the sending program encounters a rapid succession of error returns, all from the same set of packets because the fault hasn't gone away by the time more queued bytes want to hit the wire (it's trying too hard, *we* know that but the program doesn't). Once the first overload occurs and more bytes are still ready to go then errors can just keep happening and happening, and the rubber packet "halve on error" mechanism quickly results in tiny packets. I guess C Kermit needs to be more whimpy on transmission errors, but the difficulty is knowing when to stop waiting around and start transmitting again. The external devices (modems in this case) often don't give Kermit a hint on that matter. MS-DOS Kermit is in control of the serial port hardware and thus has more sensitivity to low level troubles and knows how to back away gracefully. C Kermit is isolated by the operating system, and it can be trapped into these overload situations more easily. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 07:47:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28990 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA17641 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!apollo.hp.com!lf.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!col.hp.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cdc2.cdc.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!news-master!mariner.cris.com!Oak2 From: Oak2@cris.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Linux Minicom-like Configuration? Date: 5 Jul 1996 09:54:04 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4rions$3kl@tribune.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mariner.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Anyone know of a source of information to get kermit configured for Linux? The kermit configuration files come with a lot of information for a lot of systems and it seems a bit of a task to swim through everything to configure just the applicable parts for your system and your needs. Specifically right now I need to be able to download identical file names when downloading files. When using the kermit protocol it downloads the files but the file names are shortened. I haven't tried zmodem yet. Also, how about auto-redial and backscroll? Information on this should make my transition from Minicom a little smoother until I can plow through the documentation. Thanks. -Tony From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 08:55:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA04958 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18789 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 08:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux Minicom-like Configuration? Date: 5 Jul 1996 12:55:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4rj3cb$ib3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4rions$3kl@tribune.concentric.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4rions$3kl@tribune.concentric.net>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : Anyone know of a source of information to get kermit configured for Linux? : The kermit configuration files come with a lot of information for a lot of : systems and it seems a bit of a task to swim through everything to : configure just the applicable parts for your system and your needs. : Get the cku192.tar.gz file from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/tar. Unzip it, untar it, "make linux". That gives you the Linux executable. : Specifically right now I need to be able to download identical file names : when downloading files. When using the kermit protocol it downloads the : files but the file names are shortened. : The manual would help you here. If you want filenames left alone during the transfer, "set file names literal". : Also, how about auto-redial and backscroll? : The version mentioned above supports auto redial, but you need to ask for it explicitly, because if we did it by default we would be breaking the law in many countries. "set dial retries 10" or whatever. Backscroll would be a function of your terminal window. The UNIX version of C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 09:18:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07367 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA19222 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 09:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 5 Jul 1996 13:18:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4rj4mr$ioj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4rerqn$r5u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : In article <4rerqn$r5u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : > So after "bottoming out" at 17, it should have gone back up. : > Why didn't it? : : Oh, it does! Then it happily goes up to the top, then back down, and : oscillates this way. : : > I would need to see a packet log to give a better answer. : : Ok, I'm sending one. It seemed to me that it hanged on the bottom of the : first pit quite longer than in the other pits. : The problem at hand is an interesting one, and your log is grist for the mill. We will see what we can do in the forthcoming releases of MS-DOS Kermit and C-kermit. : If 10% of the software deveoplers in the world were as responsible as you : guys are, the world would be a better place! : Thanks :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 11:10:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA22000 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA21704 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 11:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!iol!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!tube.news.pipex.net!pipex!dish.news.pipex.net!pipex!soap.news.pipex.net!pipex!usenet From: Chancellors Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable local echo in Telnet Date: Fri, 05 Jul 1996 15:07:26 -0100 Organization: UnipalmPIPEX server (post doesn't reflect views of UnipalmPIPEX) Lines: 59 Message-ID: <31DD3DBE.3BA0@dial.pipex.com> References: <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com> <1996Jul3.070029.82296@cc.usu.edu> <31DC1E69.576A@dial.pipex.com> <1996Jul4.193857.82351@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ao147.du.pipex.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I; 16bit) Joe Doupnik wrote: > > In article <31DC1E69.576A@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors writes: > > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> > >> In article <31DA6121.2EE7@dial.pipex.com>, Chancellors writes: > >> > We are running MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on a networked PC and C-Kermit 5A(190) > >> > on a DEC Alpha box.I need to disable local echo within a Telnet session. > >> > On the DEC Alpha the 'set telnet echo remote' command works fine but > >> > there appears to be no equivalent in MS-DOS Kermit.If I use the command > >> > 'set local-echo off' the 'show communication' command shows echo is off > >> > but as soon as I start a Telnet session echo is swithed back on. > >> > > >> > Any ideas? > >> > > >> > Dave Stephens - dave@chancellors.co.uk > >> ------------- > >> Local/remote echoing over a Telnet connection is a Telnet Option > >> negotiation result. Prior to negotiation echoing is local. If you Telnet > >> to a non-Telnet port no negotiations occur and you are left with local > >> echoing. Telnet is TCP port 23, the default unless you state otherwise. > >> Perhaps you can help us with a few more details on that connection > >> process. As an aide you can say SET TCP DEBUG ON to see the Telnet Options > >> be negotiated when a session starts. > >> Joe D. > > > > What we have is a viewdata service modified to enable it to receive > > incoming telnet connections which it listens for on its own port number. > > At present there is no negotiation on connection.When using kermit on the > > alpha to connect, all we need is to set telnet echo remote to give us > > the required behavior.We would like MS-DOS Kermit to behave in the same > > manner. > > > > Dave Stephens. > ------------- > Since MS-DOS Kermit performs no Telnet Option initial offers when > going to a TCP port other than 23 (Telnet) then the default Telnet conditions > apply (meaning echo locally etc). They are established as a session commences. > Once the session has begun you can give the command SET LOCAL-ECHO OFF at the > Kermit prompt and that will let the remote host provide any data to the Kermit > screen. > Alternatively, a cleaner long term solution would be for your host > end to perform Telnet Options negotiations to establish the desired behavior. > The pair of Options necessary are SGA (Suppress Go Aheads) and ECHO, or > even mimimally just the ECHO Option. The latter would look like this: > host commands DONT ECHO (so client does not echo back host bytes) > client responds WONT ECHO (client agrees to not echo back) > host offers WILL ECHO (host offers to echo back to client) > client responds DO ECHO (client agrees to that arrangement) > > You can see that without negotiation there is the chance that the client side > will bounce host bytes back to the host, and I'm sure your application would > not appreciate that. And it means one less Tech Support item for everyone. > Joe D. Thanks for the pointer. Dave. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 5 18:38:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA06670 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA02674 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!citicorp.com!martinpc From: cannon@nic.com (Kevin Martin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 upgrade Date: Fri, 05 Jul 96 19:54:33 GMT Organization: Brass Cannon Consulting Lines: 16 Distribution: citi Message-ID: <4rjrtk$ou4@spruce.citicorp.com> References: <01bb68a6.a406f5c0$8b06848b@robin.deakin.edu.au> <1996Jul4.125922.143531@forest> <4rharv$csg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: martinpc.cfs.citicorp.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 In article <4rharv$csg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >If you are registered user of Kermit 95 but did not receive the email >concerning the patches, please send email to kermit@columbia.edu with your >registration number and your email address. I was among those who sent UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the mailing list when it began forwarding replies by accident a few months ago. I'll follow the c.p.k.announce newsgroup instead, thanks. The upgrade looks good, BTW; now if we can just do something about that scripting language...! -- Kevin Martin From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 6 01:15:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06495 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11674 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!mcmcnews.er.usgs.gov!news.cs.indiana.edu!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.aus.sig.net!news From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: K95 1.1.5 (7/3/96) bugs X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sanapin-amipc1.aus.sig.net Message-ID: <31ddd954.133342529@news.aus.sig.net> Sender: news@sig.net (Signet ISP Network news) Reply-To: ami@sig.net Organization: Signet internet service provider network - sales@sig.net / 512-306-0700 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 03:12:56 GMT Lines: 25 I backed out the 7/2 patch and applied the 7/3 patch. * Dialer, edit entry dialog, terminal tab: The "command line" colors settings get trashed. I set them, click OK, Edit, Terminal and they are messed up. However, if I blank both settings, they will remain blank. The garbled settings gets put into the .KSC script resulting in error messages; the blank settings are put into the .KSC as "(null)", also resulting in error messages. * With SET MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON, the definition of some key combinations can not be changed using SET KEY (eg gray-slash, control gray-pagedown, shift gray-rightarrow) but others can be changed (eg gray-asterisk, gray-rightarrow). I haven't tried all the key combinations in both settings, yet :-) * For the slash on the keypad, SHOW KEY uses the name "key code \4442 Gray-Z". With SET MSK KEY ON, the name used is "key code \0 Gray-Z". For the asterisk, minus, and plus the key code number does not change but the descriptions are "Multiply", "Subtract", and "Add". For those keys named above that cannot be changed, the key code number always appears as "key code \0 ...". Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 6 01:15:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA06500 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA11680 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!mcmcnews.er.usgs.gov!news.cs.indiana.edu!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.aus.sig.net!news From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: Re: K95 scan codes X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sanapin-amipc1.aus.sig.net Message-ID: <31ddd9d2.133468536@news.aus.sig.net> Sender: news@sig.net (Signet ISP Network news) Reply-To: ami@sig.net Organization: Signet internet service provider network - sales@sig.net / 512-306-0700 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 References: <31db547a.296170267@news.aus.sig.net> <4rgqa7$7mi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 03:20:30 GMT Lines: 24 On 4 Jul 1996 16:08:39 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <31db547a.296170267@news.aus.sig.net>, >Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: >: Is there a list of scan codes for all the keys on a 101-key enhanced >: keyboard for Kermit95 (1.1.5) running on Win95? > >No, not yet. It's a matter of sitting down for a few hours and pressing >every single key and key combination in a "show key" loop: I must be missing something. I would very much appreciate any information about how the SET MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON mode/conversion is accomlished, and how SHOW KEY can say "Key code \6951 Alt-Shift-Gray-RightArrow". I haven't done any Windows programming, but if these features use Windows calls I'll volunteer to write a program to generate a list of scan codes. Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 6 16:16:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20132 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA16714 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 16:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!info.ucla.edu!nnrp.info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!torn!nott!cunews!sol!dunliu From: dunliu@sol.math.carleton.ca (Dunxue Liu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Date: 6 Jul 96 18:52:24 GMT Organization: Carleton University, Ottawa, Canada Lines: 6 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: sol.carleton.ca NNTP-Posting-User: dunliu Can anybody here help me to download or upload files by using kermit? I want to download files from my UNIX account to my PC. Any advice or suggustion are appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 6 23:12:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19127 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA24219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:12:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Date: Sat, 06 Jul 1996 22:56:37 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31deee2b.2743833@news.zippo.com> References: Reply-To: cksam@macau.ctm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: c9line8.macau.ctm.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 6 Jul 96 18:52:24 GMT, dunliu@sol.carleton.ca (Dunxue Liu) wrote: > >Can anybody here help me to download or upload files by using kermit? >I want to download files from my UNIX account to my PC. Any advice or >suggustion are appreciated. > > My first suggustion is RFTM/documentations accompanied with your software, you question is just too board to be answered. --SAM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 7 01:16:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00631 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 01:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA27041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 01:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dial and answer messages disappear with 1.1.5 Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:59:10 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bb6bb8.a6f8d360$5f89d9ce@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: col-oh8-31.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sat Jul 06 8:53:49 PM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 I am using K95 1.1.5 to connect to a VMS system that uses dialback. I have a script that uses the "dial" command followed by the "answer" command. The informational message that is usually displayed by the answer command has the first few lines missing from it. It seems that this only occurs after the dial command has been used. If I use the answer command without using the dial command first I do get all of the informational lines. I have also noticed under circumstances that I have not been able to identify that characters get "stuck" on the console display. These are characters from script "echo" commands or messages output from other kermit commands. Only a few characters from the output "stick". They appear to be randomly placed and are not cleared by the "cls" command. I had the "sticking" character problem with 1.1.4 in terminal mode but not in command mode as I do now with 1.1.5. With 1.1.5 this problem occurs in both terminal and command modes. The "stuck" characters are not cleared in terminal mode with a ALT-R. Kevin Knickerbocker From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 7 15:05:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA02768 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00790 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 15:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.aus.sig.net!news From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: k95 keyboard map suggestion X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sanapin-amipc1.aus.sig.net Message-ID: <31e007e1.63677114@news.aus.sig.net> Sender: news@sig.net (Signet ISP Network news) Reply-To: ami@sig.net Organization: chaos X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 18:55:08 GMT Lines: 29 I have a couple of suggestions about keyboard mapping in Kermit95. The new multi-level key map scheme sounds great. But you are only allowing me to change one part of it. I would like to change the EMACS map, and maybe the VT220 and WYSE maps. I am sure other people will have their own picks. I think all keyboard maps should be changeable by the user. Creeping featurism: Instead of having three specific special keyboard maps (EMACS, Hebrew, and Russian) have generalized methods to add special key maps and select the active one. Super creeping featurism: Be able to group key maps, select one active map in each group (only one map in a group is active), and prioritize Kermit's search thru the groups. Then the existing three special maps and the terminal emulation maps become just two groups within a generalized, extendable, open-ended scheme. Scrollback buffer navigation should be a "mode" with its own changeable key map. Kermit has so many features activated by \kverbs I can't use them all, much less have key combinations left for my application. Instead of having to dedicate ctrl-pgup, I can use it in my application. If buffer navigation is a mode, simpler key combinations can be used, such as page-up and -down instead of ctrl-page-up and -down. Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 7 17:18:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17141 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03478 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 1.1.5 (7/3/96) bugs Date: 7 Jul 1996 21:18:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <4rp9jo$3ck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31ddd954.133342529@news.aus.sig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31ddd954.133342529@news.aus.sig.net>, Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: : I backed out the 7/2 patch and applied the 7/3 patch. : : * Dialer, edit entry dialog, terminal tab: The "command line" colors : settings get trashed. I set them, click OK, Edit, Terminal and they : are messed up. However, if I blank both settings, they will remain : blank. The garbled settings gets put into the .KSC script resulting : in error messages; the blank settings are put into the .KSC as : "(null)", also resulting in error messages. : This is a symptom of the 7/2 patch. It should not happen with the 7/3 patch. Contact our tech support folks and we'll get you a fresh copy. Email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. : * With SET MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON, the definition of some key : combinations can not be changed using SET KEY (eg gray-slash, control : gray-pagedown, shift gray-rightarrow) but others can be changed (eg : gray-asterisk, gray-rightarrow). I haven't tried all the key : combinations in both settings, yet :-) : : * For the slash on the keypad, SHOW KEY uses the name "key code \4442 : Gray-Z". With SET MSK KEY ON, the name used is "key code \0 Gray-Z". : For the asterisk, minus, and plus the key code number does not change : but the descriptions are "Multiply", "Subtract", and "Add". For those : keys named above that cannot be changed, the key code number always : appears as "key code \0 ...". : Thanks for the report. This is one of four or five rough edges in the 1.1.5 release (aside from the defective first patch, sorry) that we will correct as quickly as we can. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 7 17:30:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18252 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03758 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dial and answer messages disappear with 1.1.5 Date: 7 Jul 1996 21:30:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 48 Message-ID: <4rpa90$3lc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb6bb8.a6f8d360$5f89d9ce@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb6bb8.a6f8d360$5f89d9ce@#knickerb>, Kevin Knickerbocker wrote: : I am using K95 1.1.5 to connect to a VMS system that uses dialback. I : have a script that uses the "dial" command followed by the "answer" : command. The informational message that is usually displayed by the : answer command has the first few lines missing from it. It seems that : this only occurs after the dial command has been used. If I use the : answer command without using the dial command first I do get all of the : informational lines. : We will check this and make any necessary fixes in the next release. : I have also noticed under circumstances that I have not been able to : identify that characters get "stuck" on the console display. These are : characters from script "echo" commands or messages output from other : kermit commands. Only a few characters from the output "stick". They : appear to be randomly placed and are not cleared by the "cls" command. : This is caused by a Yet Another Bug in the Windows 95 Console Agent (CONAGENT.EXE). It is described in the Kermit 95 BUGS.DOC file, item 83. : I had the "sticking" character problem with 1.1.4 in terminal mode but : not in command mode as I do now with 1.1.5. With 1.1.5 this problem : occurs in both terminal and command modes. The "stuck" characters are : not cleared in terminal mode with a ALT-R. : In version 1.1.5, for the first time, the Command Window works like the Terminal Window. The main advantage is the availability of scrollback. The disadvantage is the increased possibility of tickling the Console Agent bug, which was reported to Microsoft long ago. The persistent ghost characters are not a certainty -- most people never see them. The problem only occurs on some systems under certain conditions, such as under heavy system load or swapping. Workarounds include: . Use Alt-Enter to switch to fullscreen mode and back. This forces the screen to be entirely reconstructed and exorcises the ghosts. . Rolling the screen back and then forwards, using Kermit's scrollback keys, might also do the same thing. . Buy more memory :-) These systems are memory hungry and all sorts of problems disappear when you have 32MB or more. Memory is dirt cheap at the moment, so this is a good time to expand. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 7 17:37:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20386 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA03945 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 17:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 keyboard map suggestion Date: 7 Jul 1996 21:37:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4rpams$3r7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31e007e1.63677114@news.aus.sig.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31e007e1.63677114@news.aus.sig.net>, Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: : I have a couple of suggestions about keyboard mapping in Kermit95. : : The new multi-level key map scheme sounds great. But you are only : allowing me to change one part of it. I would like to change the : EMACS map, and maybe the VT220 and WYSE maps. I am sure other people : will have their own picks. I think all keyboard maps should be : changeable by the user. : Agreed. This is one of many, many, many items on our long, long, long list of things to do. : Creeping featurism: Instead of having three specific special keyboard : maps (EMACS, Hebrew, and Russian) have generalized methods to add : special key maps and select the active one. Super creeping featurism: : Be able to group key maps, select one active map in each group (only : one map in a group is active), and prioritize Kermit's search thru the : groups. Then the existing three special maps and the terminal : emulation maps become just two groups within a generalized, : extendable, open-ended scheme. : : Scrollback buffer navigation should be a "mode" with its own : changeable key map. Kermit has so many features activated by \kverbs : I can't use them all, much less have key combinations left for my : application. Instead of having to dedicate ctrl-pgup, I can use it in : my application. If buffer navigation is a mode, simpler key : combinations can be used, such as page-up and -down instead of : ctrl-page-up and -down. : These are all good ideas, but how many people would ever take advantage of this kind of customizability? Would it ever justify the amount of work that needs to go into creating it? Anyway, we need to concentrate on more critical areas first -- the GUI conversion, the TAPI interface -- it's what everyone wants us to do. After that we'll revisit this question. Which is not to discourage your suggestions -- keep 'em coming! And we'll keep adding them to our long, long, long list. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 7 20:11:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA06684 for ; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:11:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA06998 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Kevin Knickerbocker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dial and answer messages disappear with 1.1.5 Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:39:00 -0400 Organization: Netcom Lines: 21 Message-ID: <01bb6c5f.7c6f9140$93c8b7c7@#knickerb> References: <01bb6bb8.a6f8d360$5f89d9ce@#knickerb> <4rpa90$3lc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: col-oh4-19.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Jul 07 6:48:04 PM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 Your comments about the command window working like the terminal window and the availability of scrollback prompted me to reexamine the problem I am having. I don't think that missing informational message lines from the answer command are related to having used the dial command first. Instead the lines disappear if they are displayed near the end of the command window such that the command window would need to be scrolled. My script has several steps and displays a banner at each step to indicate its progress. Kermits answer command messages and my own banners display incorrectly if they are printed at the bottom of the command window causing the command window to scroll. I was able to eliminate this problem by clearing the command window before displaying each banner, thus the messages never reach the bottom of the command window and the command window is not scrolled. Kevin Knickerbocker From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 8 10:00:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA24099 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA13336 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 10:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dial and answer messages disappear with 1.1.5 Date: 8 Jul 1996 14:00:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4rr49a$d0i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb6bb8.a6f8d360$5f89d9ce@#knickerb> <4rpa90$3lc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bb6c5f.7c6f9140$93c8b7c7@#knickerb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb6c5f.7c6f9140$93c8b7c7@#knickerb>, Kevin Knickerbocker wrote: : Your comments about the command window working like the : terminal window and the availability of scrollback prompted : me to reexamine the problem I am having. : : I don't think that missing informational message lines from : the answer command are related to having used the dial : command first. Instead the lines disappear if they are : displayed near the end of the command window such that : the command window would need to be scrolled. : : My script has several steps and displays a banner at each : step to indicate its progress. Kermits answer command : messages and my own banners display incorrectly if they : are printed at the bottom of the command window causing : the command window to scroll. I was able to eliminate this : problem by clearing the command window before displaying : each banner, thus the messages never reach the bottom : of the command window and the command window is not : scrolled. : If you could send a copy of your script to kermit-support@columbia.edu, maybe we could figure out what is happening, and if there is a problem in the code (as opposed to, say, a manifestation of Bug #83 in the BUGS.DOC file), we can fix it. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 00:01:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA09986 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA03816 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lava.net!really From: really@lava.net (Geckos'R'Us) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet to Linux Hangs Date: 9 Jul 1996 03:02:35 GMT Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4rsi4b$1vl@mochi.lava.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: malasada.lava.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Aloha tekkies, We have a mixed environment of several flavors of unix and netware mostly talking TCP/IP but also with modem dialups and serial port connections. We have tried to standardize on Kermit 3.14 as our terminal emulator because (1) it can handle TCP/IP, direct connections and modem dialups, (2) it has a lot of nice features we like (3) it is fairly customizable and of course (4) other than documentation and setup, it is basically free. We use the Crynware Packet drivers to enable PC TCP/IP connections to our unix/novell systems. This worked well UNTIL we decided to replace our outmoded X.25 connection to the internet via an ancient UNISYS unix minicomputer with a more common CISCO router ethernet connect primarily connected through two Pentium Linux machines. The problem: Kermit 'dies' when it uses its telnet connection to one of these Linux machines. This does NOT occur when telnetting to the UNISYS, Sequent or Interactive Unix machines. It also does NOT occur if I use NCSA's telnet instead of Kermit. Having exhausted all the likely paramaters changes to Kermit's mskermit.ini file and making numerous change attempts to our Linux files, it have been unable to find a solution. I HAVE determined that Linux is killing the Kermit telnet session 'as if by a cron'. It kills the session precisely at the same *second* on the Linux box each time. (I reset the DOS-client machine's time to see if this made any difference: NO. I rebooted the Linux box to see if the time-of-kill changed: YES.) Having consulted with the BIG-LINUX listserv group, there were several suggestions, but none that worked. The Linux gurus seemed to suggest that either there is a bug in the Linux telnetd "keep-alive" code or that Kermit, unlike NCSA telnet, is not sending the right signals to enable Linux's telnet "keep-alive" code. Since telnetting to our Linux PC's (our primary internet access) is critical to our normal functioning, we must find a solution to this problem or be forced to abandon Kermit 3.14 as our standard communication program. Thanks in advance for any insights/solutions you may have. Bob Carroll, systems programmer really@lava.net From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 02:25:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA19812 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 02:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA06276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 02:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news From: richter@conley.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 28.8 baud modem on c-kermit? Date: 09 Jul 1996 01:11:49 -0500 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Lines: 25 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: conley.math.nwu.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem. I'd like to be able to put set speed 28800 in my .kermrc, and then I could use a script to log in. Here's the only thing that works, but it's tedious in keystrokes. In my .kermrc set speed 19200 connect and then I type in atdt**** username passwd and then I get locked in to 28.8 baud somehow, but it's tedious. Following the instructions in ckccfg.doc I tried (unsuccessfully) make sun41gcc "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28800" From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 14:54:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA03718 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10457 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 28.8 baud modem on c-kermit? Date: 09 Jul 1996 10:50:17 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.32/Emacs 19.31 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "BR" == Bill Richter writes: BR> I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem. I'd like to be BR> able to put BR> set speed 28800 You cannot do it. Sun does not support anything but the "even" multiples of 2400/9600 (and I think the same applies to Kermit as well). Try 'set speed 38400' instead; 38400 is the highest serial speed supported by Sun. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMeJxqp6VRH7BJMxHAQHLNAQAnGvLlA99wWEyyxhL56imGL7FBqTPw0BM AnsTZGz4SkVdD1aQQBW8j80RTp1+fEz8VMOvRFQdDNQXnM6eLmc8vigwfoB2ASTs 7oGQoutFh3AuhRqG6bd9+ozOd+otdzr1Igwj+zpxqq7I6Dh6vYvUZ2htUaCOm7CO EmHlWOqo3sw= =RdrX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Climb your way to the top; that's why the \ drapes are there. -A cat's guide to life http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 18:24:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA25407 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15354 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!email!gossettf From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How issue ctrl char sequence from kermit output cmd? Date: 9 Jul 1996 21:13:56 GMT Organization: The University of Alabama in Huntsville Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4rui2k$ok4@info.uah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: email.uah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Does anyone know how to generate the key sequence: [CTRL] + [SHIFT] + [6], [x] ...Meaning, hold [ctrl] and [shift] down while pressing 6. Then release all pressed keys and press the [x] key. It generates some kind of break sequence that allows me to interrupt a reverse telnet session to a modem on an Access Server so that I may disconnect from the modem. Frank Gossett University of Alabama in Huntsville From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 19:12:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA00839 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA16467 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!van-bc!n1van.istar!van.istar!west.istar!news-w.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!news.lava.net!malasada.lava.net!really From: really@lava.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet to Linux Hangs Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:06:51 -1000 Organization: LavaNet, Inc. Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: <199607090445.AAA14754@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: malasada.lava.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <199607090445.AAA14754@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > I'm sure that Joe will respond to you with much more detail about > the MS-DOS Kermit tcp/ip stack. However, I do have a question? > > Have you tried using C-Kermit to one of the Linux boxes? > Does it have the same problem? > > What are the conditions of the disconnect? > 2 hours of no data transmission? If so, then this would indicate that there > might be a problem with the "keep-alive" timeouts. If you get some disconnect > at some random point in time, then the problem is something other than > "keep-alives". > The disconnect (MSKermit lockup) occurs after approximately 5 minutes (never less than 4 minutes and never more than 6 minutes.) The session dies exactly at the same second each time (e.g., if a session starts at 11:02:00, that session might die at say 11:06:32, if I try again with a session starting at 11:15:49, this session might die at 11:20:32, if I try once again at 12:22:22, it typically would die at 12:27:32. Each time when the session dies, I can alt/X to get back to the MSKermit prompt, but then a 'q'uit response locks up my PC requiring a reboot. C-Kermit 5A(190) telnetting from our Sequent unix machine to either Linux box does NOT cause similar timeouts. Neither does any other telnetting method from PC-to-unix or unix-to-unix. Bob Carroll really@lava.net From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 20:14:11 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05363 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA17750 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news From: richter@pythagoras.math.nwu.edu (Bill Richter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 28.8 baud modem on c-kermit? Date: 09 Jul 1996 18:14:48 -0500 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Lines: 31 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: pythagoras.math.nwu.edu In-reply-to: Richard Pieri's message of 09 Jul 1996 10:50:17 -0400 cc: clarence@columbia.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 BR> I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem. I'd like to BR> be able to put set speed 28800 I see now this was a dumb idea, I want the speed between my computer and the modem to be faster than the speed used between the modems. Richard> You cannot do it. Try `set speed 38400' instead; 38400 is Richard> the highest serial speed supported by Sun. Thanks, Richard, and to Jeff Altman and Robert Bonomi , who explained the cryptic terminology of the ckuker documentation. I need in my .kermrc set speed 38400 set dial speed-matching off because the default is SPEED-MATCHING ON, favoring the older modems, which don't support compression and "match" the local interface speed to be exactly equal to the modem connection rate. SPEED-MATCHING OFF means that we'll throw data at the modem at 38.4 (the "interface speed"), compress it on end, send it across the physical modem at "modulation speed" of 28.8, uncompress the data on the other end for a higher perceived transmission speed. And we'll "lock the interface speed" as high as Sun will allow (38.4), and not match (or dumb down to) the modem speed. So data will travel between computers at speeds between 28.8 and 34.4: the upcoming compressed emacs-19.32.tar.gz will travel at 28.8, but that's a lot better than the 19.2 that I had the modem set on. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 22:36:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA17163 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA20600 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 22:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet to Linux Hangs Message-ID: <1996Jul9.095251.82500@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Jul 96 09:52:51 MDT References: <4rsi4b$1vl@mochi.lava.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 54 In article <4rsi4b$1vl@mochi.lava.net>, really@lava.net (Geckos'R'Us) writes: > Aloha tekkies, > > We have a mixed environment of several flavors of unix and netware mostly > talking TCP/IP but also with modem dialups and serial port connections. > We have tried to standardize on Kermit 3.14 as our terminal emulator because > (1) it can handle TCP/IP, direct connections and modem dialups, (2) it has > a lot of nice features we like (3) it is fairly customizable and of course > (4) other than documentation and setup, it is basically free. > > We use the Crynware Packet drivers to enable PC TCP/IP connections to our > unix/novell systems. This worked well UNTIL we decided to replace our > outmoded X.25 connection to the internet via an ancient UNISYS unix > minicomputer with a more common CISCO router ethernet connect primarily > connected through two Pentium Linux machines. > > The problem: Kermit 'dies' when it uses its telnet connection to one of these > Linux machines. This does NOT occur when telnetting to the UNISYS, Sequent > or Interactive Unix machines. It also does NOT occur if I use NCSA's telnet > instead of Kermit. > > Having exhausted all the likely paramaters changes to Kermit's mskermit.ini > file and making numerous change attempts to our Linux files, it have been > unable to find a solution. I HAVE determined that Linux is killing the > Kermit telnet session 'as if by a cron'. It kills the session precisely at > the same *second* on the Linux box each time. (I reset the DOS-client > machine's time to see if this made any difference: NO. I rebooted the Linux > box to see if the time-of-kill changed: YES.) > > Having consulted with the BIG-LINUX listserv group, there were several > suggestions, but none that worked. The Linux gurus seemed to suggest that > either there is a bug in the Linux telnetd "keep-alive" code or that Kermit, > unlike NCSA telnet, is not sending the right signals to enable Linux's > telnet "keep-alive" code. > > Since telnetting to our Linux PC's (our primary internet access) is critical > to our normal functioning, we must find a solution to this problem or be > forced to abandon Kermit 3.14 as our standard communication program. > > Thanks in advance for any insights/solutions you may have. > > Bob Carroll, systems programmer really@lava.net --------- Yes, there is a bug in the MS-DOS Kermit keepalive code, in v3.14. Yes, Linux is loaded with bugs too. This and other problems are "solved" in MSK v3.15/development. We will announce an open testing period as development continues on MSK 3.15 so watch this News group for the notice. Please keep in mind this will be a fluid development environment so please don't become locked into the test material. However, the more beating on it the better, as IBM and MS have demonstrated over the past couple of years. I have a busy travel schedule this month so reports will likely stack up without response until I get a chance to go through each report in detail. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 9 23:21:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA19266 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA21517 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uuneo.neosoft.com!news.sesqui.net!uhura.phoenix.net!default From: dbrownd@phoenix.net (Damon Brownd) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How issue ctrl char sequence from kermit output cmd? Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 01:53:55 GMT Organization: Obfuscation, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4rv2gp$dmn@uhura.phoenix.net> References: <4rui2k$ok4@info.uah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial225.phoenix.net X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 In article <4rui2k$ok4@info.uah.edu>, gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett) wrote: >Does anyone know how to generate the key sequence: > > [CTRL] + [SHIFT] + [6], [x] > >....Meaning, hold [ctrl] and [shift] down while pressing 6. Then >release all pressed keys and press the [x] key. It generates some >kind of break sequence that allows me to interrupt a reverse telnet >session to a modem on an Access Server so that I may disconnect from >the modem. > Try kermit's "show key" command. Based on what I got by doing that in K95, it appears that you should "output \30x" to send that character sequence. I hope this helps. Damon Brownd dbrownd@phoenix.net I am the world's foremost authority... on my own opinion. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 10 01:16:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA00695 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA24255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 01:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!r2d2.fdn.org!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-14.sprintlink.net!hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.5 Message-ID: <1996Jul9.182244.6229@hartwick.edu> Date: 9 Jul 96 18:22:44 -0500 References: <4rca5e$6s3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 7 Does the W95 version --or any version-- handle talking to TCP/IP via winsock? -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 10 11:54:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20941 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA25083 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.5 Date: 10 Jul 1996 11:54:47 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4s0jo7$kdm@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4rca5e$6s3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1996Jul9.182244.6229@hartwick.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul9.182244.6229@hartwick.edu>, Dick Wisan wrote: : Does the W95 version --or any version-- handle talking to TCP/IP via : winsock? : Yes: 32-bit Winsock implementations only, on Windows 95 or NT. See the Kermit 95 Web page for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 10 12:16:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA26962 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA25612 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cowboy.net!news From: "Matthew K. Abbas" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and WinNT for HP48 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 07:53:48 -0500 Organization: Lenape Information Systems Lines: 13 Message-ID: <01bb6e5e.d67b3300$fa8992cc@ns.cowboy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp15.cowboy.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 I have been about 50% successful using K95 on WinNT to send and receive text files to an HP48. Our office recently made the move to NT and I got drug into this. I use an HP48 with TDS software for Land Surveying and in the past I was able to use the software provided (which uses Kermit for DOS). Now because of NT's ways I have to try and use K95. My problem is that I can send files from the HP to NT, but I cannot send files to the HP. I have set the file type to text and have manually set the interrupt and I/O in NT for the com1. The only thing different when using Kermit for DOS is that it detects Text CP437? Any help would be much appreciated as rebooting to DOS and not being connected to my network is getting real old. Matthew From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 10 12:37:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03574 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26057 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 28.8 baud modem on c-kermit? Date: 10 Jul 1996 16:37:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4s0m8f$pe7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Pieri wrote: : >>>>> "BR" == Bill Richter writes: : BR> I'm running cku190 on a Sun over a 28.8 baud modem. I'd like to be : BR> able to put : BR> set speed 28800 : : You cannot do it. Sun does not support anything but the "even" : multiples of 2400/9600 (and I think the same applies to Kermit as well). : Try 'set speed 38400' instead; 38400 is the highest serial speed : supported by Sun. : Right. C-Kermit uses the device drivers of the underlying operating system. If the operating system does not support a particular serial speed, there is no way that C-Kermit can support it. In UNIX, you can find a list of the serial speeds supported by your UNIX version by locating the header file that contains the "baud" rate definitions. You can usually find it like this: cd /usr/include grep B9600 *.h sys/*.h Once you've found the file, look in it for the list. If you find any speeds in it that are not supported by C-Kermit, let me know. Meanwhile, the original question is answered in item 17 of the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 10 12:42:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04474 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA26142 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and WinNT for HP48 Date: 10 Jul 1996 16:42:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4s0mhr$pgr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb6e5e.d67b3300$fa8992cc@ns.cowboy.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb6e5e.d67b3300$fa8992cc@ns.cowboy.net>, Matthew K. Abbas wrote: : I have been about 50% successful using K95 on WinNT to send and receive : text files to an HP48. Our office recently made the move to NT and I got : drug into this. I use an HP48 with TDS software for Land Surveying and in : the past I was able to use the software provided (which uses Kermit for : DOS). Now because of NT's ways I have to try and use K95. My problem is : that I can send files from the HP to NT, but I cannot send files to the : HP. I have set the file type to text and have manually set the interrupt : and I/O in NT for the com1. The only thing different when using Kermit : for DOS is that it detects Text CP437? Any help would be much appreciated : as rebooting to DOS and not being connected to my network is getting real : old. : Try telling Kermit 95 to "set send pause 500". That means, pause 500 milliseconds (i.e. half a second) before sending each packet. Vary the number up or down till it works. You might also need to go to a very short packet length. Use "set send packet-length 40" for this -- again, vary the number up or down till you get the optimum results. Also, I've heard varying reports about the HP-48's ability to do flow control. Try "set flow xon/xoff" (this works in Windows NT, but not in Windows 95 due to a bug in Windows 95) and if that doesn't work, "set flow none". With no flow control, the first two items (pause and packet length) become very important. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 10 16:56:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28106 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA02830 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-370 and support for Year 2000 Date: 10 Jul 1996 20:56:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4s15ei$2oc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Planning for the calendar turnover is a hot topic now. Here is a rundown on the status of the various flavors of K-370. CMS - for releases before the current one (4.3.1), there are no known problems. Kermit correctly reports the date of a file in the beginning of the next century (by assuming any year less than 50 is 20YY instead of 19YY). With 4.3.1, the reporting still works fine, but there is an added complication: the date/time stamp for a newly uploaded file is set from the stamp sent by the other Kermit. This will probably not work correctly after 2000. Version 4.3.2 (now in beta testing) offers a fix for systems without SFS, but the complete solution must wait until the CMS interface for setting arbitrary dates is updated by IBM. (Real Soon Now.) TSO - no known problems, except that after 2000, the date reported may be the CREATION date instead of the MODIFICATION date. This is fixed in 4.3.2 (also in beta testing). MUSIC - no known problems. CICS - no known problems. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 11 00:14:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA17169 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA12558 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: randyd@crl.com (Randy Ding) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 and WinNT for HP48 Date: 10 Jul 1996 18:47:41 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4s1mft$8ca@crl.crl.com> References: <01bb6e5e.d67b3300$fa8992cc@ns.cowboy.net> <4s0mhr$pgr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In article <4s0mhr$pgr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <01bb6e5e.d67b3300$fa8992cc@ns.cowboy.net>, >Matthew K. Abbas wrote: >: I have been about 50% successful using K95 on WinNT to send and receive >: text files to an HP48. [..] >: My problem is >: that I can send files from the HP to NT, but I cannot send files to the >: HP. [..] >Try telling Kermit 95 to "set send pause 500". That means, pause 500 >milliseconds (i.e. half a second) before sending each packet. Vary the >number up or down till it works. You might also need to go to a very short >packet length. Use "set send packet-length 40" for this -- again, vary the >number up or down till you get the optimum results. Also, I've heard >varying reports about the HP-48's ability to do flow control. Try "set flow >xon/xoff" (this works in Windows NT, but not in Windows 95 due to a bug in >Windows 95) and if that doesn't work, "set flow none". With no flow control, >the first two items (pause and packet length) become very important. One more thing to try is SET CON P ALL on the k95 end. I have found that the HP must have all control characters prefixed. Not real sure if this would cause your problem sending text files. I had this problem with hp48 and mskermit sending binary files. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 11 14:39:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA06593 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA19133 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 14:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scan Key for K95 ;-( Date: 11 Jul 1996 16:56:13 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4s3bnd$gut@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Frank said (loosely paraphrased): You could gain fame and honor by running a loop of show key, and recording all of the responses. So, I thinks to mice-elf, I could use some honor. I went to K95, started a loop of showkey, and as each screen filled, I did a cut and paste to a WordPad document. I went all through the normal keyboard, did the shifted, and as I started the control, I realized that I wasn't even a quarter of the way done. Now I might have been bored, but not that bored. Untouched, shift, ctrl, alt, ctrl-alt, shift-alt, ctrl-shif... Hmm. Certainly some Microsoft document, or keyboard manufacturers document, lists all of the codes? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 11 15:08:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA12397 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA20026 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scan Key for K95 ;-( Date: 11 Jul 1996 19:08:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4s3jg3$jhn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4s3bnd$gut@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4s3bnd$gut@samba.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold wrote: : Frank said (loosely paraphrased): : You could gain fame and honor by running a loop of show key, and : recording all of the responses. : : So, I thinks to mice-elf, I could use some honor. : : I went to K95, started a loop of showkey, and as each screen filled, I did a : cut and paste to a WordPad document. : : I went all through the normal keyboard, did the shifted, and as I started : the control, I realized that I wasn't even a quarter of the way done. : Now I might have been bored, but not that bored. : Untouched, shift, ctrl, alt, ctrl-alt, shift-alt, ctrl-shif... : : Hmm. Certainly some Microsoft document, or keyboard manufacturers : document, lists all of the codes? : OK OK... In version 1.1.6, which we will issue within a few days to correct a couple small problems with 1.1.5, we will also add a command that lets you dump your key settings in the current mode. 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From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 11 17:50:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA07994 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26741 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!trellis.wwnet.com!news From: brewman@mail.wwnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script writing Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:09:29 GMT Organization: WWNET Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: biras112.wwnet.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Greetings: How easy is it to augment existing modem scripts to work with newer modems? I have a AT&T compatible PCMCIA modem and have tried to adjust the dataport.scr (which is suppose to be AT& T compatible) that comes with Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS with little success. Any help available here? TIA From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 11 17:56:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08635 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA26870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script writing Date: 11 Jul 1996 21:56:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4s3tb2$q7k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com>, wrote: : How easy is it to augment existing modem scripts to work with newer : modems? I have a AT&T compatible PCMCIA modem and have tried to : adjust the dataport.scr (which is suppose to be AT& T compatible) that : comes with Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS with little success. Any help : available here? : It's easy. The model script file is profusely commented so it's easy to see what each line is for. Usually all you have to do is replace the modem-specific commands from the model script with the corresponding commands for your new modem, and of course, save the edited file under a new name. It should take about 10 minutes, assuming you have a manual for your modem so you can find out what its commands are. Also, bear in mind that \13 is the carriage return that terminates a command, and not part of the command itself. Also bear in mind that if a modem command contains a backslash, you'll need to write it as \92 (there are lots of examples of this in the DATAPORT.SCR file). If you have trouble, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. 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From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 09:11:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09735 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04513 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PPP in DOS Date: 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with WinSock? Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- --- þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 09:11:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA09739 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04516 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: crlf vs cr Date: 12 Jul 1996 04:59:54 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4s546a$au6@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org When I used Kermit on MCI Mail with NightOwl MeX, I never had confusion on CR/CRLF. But I also used VEdit instead of GNU Emacs. Is there a setting on MS Kermit to add CRs on transmission so I don't have to keep running utilities? Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- -(Composed offline at 18h03 07011096)- --- þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 09:32:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12796 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04996 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!news.interpath.net!mercury!puff From: puff@mercury.interpath.com (Pat Fogarty) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: file transfer Date: 12 Jul 1996 11:29:15 GMT Organization: Interpath -- Providing Internet access to North Carolina Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4s5cub$3ff@news.interpath.net> References: <4rdvqf$g9n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.com In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: [snip] >Yes, mine is an old XT286, and I presume it has a 1-byte UART (and so >thinks kermit). My modem is set to 38.8k baud, although they say I need >57.4k baud when compression is used, but I don't think it can achieve much >more than 14.4k with zipped files. I found on my 286 (braindead UART) that port speeds greater than 19200 caused errors. Trying modem compression at 14400 with a 19200 port speed actually cuts performance. A 9600 actually runs faster than the 14400 under some conditions. Pat -- Pat Fogarty puff@mercury.interpath.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 10:09:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA17366 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA06669 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 10:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: crlf vs cr Date: 12 Jul 1996 14:09:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4s5maq$6gb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4s546a$au6@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4s546a$au6@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA wrote: : : When I used Kermit on MCI Mail with NightOwl MeX, I never : had confusion on CR/CRLF. But I also used VEdit instead : of GNU Emacs. Is there a setting on MS Kermit to add : CRs on transmission so I don't have to keep running utilities? : As explained on page 75 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit", it is SET TERMINAL NEWLINE-MODE ON. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 12:16:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04007 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09428 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!ix.netcom.com!mattp From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems with 1.1.5 K95 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 15:20:34 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4s5qg5$2om@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rvl-md1-04.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 12 10:20:37 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 The problem I am having "I thinks" is a scrolling problem. I did not have this problem with 1.1.4 but only after I patched it to 1.1.5. It seems when I telnet to an SCO machine and try to vi a file that the screen is not updated correctly. If I hit 'o' in vi to add a new blank line nothing moves down, I end up typing over what was currenly on the line. If I save the file and re-edit it, the file looks correct, so it seems that 1.1.5 has a scrolling problem. Anyone know how to fix this of do I need to go back to 1.1.4? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 12:23:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA04733 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA09544 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!bcm.tmc.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.uah.edu!email!gossettf From: gossettf@email.uah.edu (Frank A. Gossett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OUTPUT stmt not functioning after telnet (in script) Date: 12 Jul 1996 15:28:02 GMT Organization: The University of Alabama in Huntsville Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4s5qu2$brn@info.uah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: email.uah.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Hello, The following code creates a hang after the telnet execution. ; telnet \m(server_ip)\13 input 60 Password: output \m(passwd_login)\13 input 60 > output enable\13 input 60 Password: output \m(passwd_enable)\13 input 60 # ; A connection is made to the remote host and a password prompt is received. However, the input statement times out. I had an askq statement after the telnet statement in an earlier code version and when terminate the remote session mannually the script would then execute the askq statement (indicating that the output statement after the telnet was never executed?). Does the output statement work correctly with a network connection? Any help would be most appreciated. Regards, Frank Gossett gossettf@email.uah.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 12:50:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA10290 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10320 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems with 1.1.5 K95 Date: 12 Jul 1996 16:50:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4s5vp6$a2e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4s5qg5$2om@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4s5qg5$2om@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, Zorin wrote: : The problem I am having "I thinks" is a scrolling problem. I did not have : this problem with 1.1.4 but only after I patched it to 1.1.5. It seems when : I telnet to an SCO machine and try to vi a file that the screen is not : updated correctly. If I hit 'o' in vi to add a new blank line nothing moves : down, I end up typing over what was currenly on the line. If I save the : file and re-edit it, the file looks correct, so it seems that 1.1.5 has a : scrolling problem. : Yes. It's a bug. The workaround is to set Kermit 95's terminal type to VT102, VT220, or VT320. It will be fixed in version 1.1.6, which we will issue within a few days to correct this and several other minor problems. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 12:59:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11233 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA10497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OUTPUT stmt not functioning after telnet (in script) Date: 12 Jul 1996 16:58:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-ID: <4s608h$a7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4s5qu2$brn@info.uah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4s5qu2$brn@info.uah.edu>, Frank A. Gossett wrote: : The following code creates a hang after the telnet execution. : : telnet \m(server_ip)\13 : You don't need (and shouldn't have) a \13 here. It's a command, not a text string. Furthermore, TELNET is not what you want. It prevents the rest of the script from executing. This is covered in the manual. : input 60 Password: : output \m(passwd_login)\13 : input 60 > : output enable\13 : input 60 Password: : output \m(passwd_enable)\13 : input 60 # : : A connection is made to the remote host and a password prompt is received. : However, the input statement times out. I had an askq statement after : the telnet statement in an earlier code version and when terminate the : remote session mannually the script would then execute the askq statement : (indicating that the output statement after the telnet was never : executed?). : : Does the output statement work correctly with a network connection? : You'll need to more specific about which Kermit program you are using, on what platform, and which version of it. In general, yes, the OUTPUT command works on TELNET connections. In C-Kermit versions 5A(190) and earlier, the OUTPUT command had a couple bugs regarding long output strings, and strings containing backslashes. You should put IF FAILURE statements after your INPUT statements, instead of going ahead even after one of them times out. Try this: set host \m(server_ip) input 60 Password: if fail stop 1 No login password prompt. output \m(passwd_login)\13 input 60 > if fail stop 1 No shell prompt output enable\13 input 60 Password: if fail stop 1 No enable password prompt output \m(passwd_enable)\13 input 60 # if fail stop 1 No enabled shell prompt connect If this is MS-DOS Kermit rather than C-Kermit, use: set port tcp \m(server_ip) rather than: set host \m(server_ip) See the appropriate manual, "Using C-Kermit" or "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for more information about script programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 18:15:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA26018 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA18347 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!caen!umass.edu!unix.amherst.edu!amhux4.amherst.edu!jwmanly From: jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 questions... Date: 12 Jul 1996 20:20:25 GMT Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA, USA Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4s6c29$1qk@tom.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: abby.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 20:02:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08895 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20392 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!uvaix3e1.comp.UVic.CA!usenet From: Andrew Sinclair Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit in half duplex Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:59:41 -0700 Organization: University of Victoria Lines: 15 Message-ID: <31E6D8DD.3D0D@ios.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: pinger.ios.bc.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.05 9000/735) I am trying to get two dos machines to communicate over a half duplex line with kermit 3.13. I understand that there is a handoff character so I should be able to do this. Does anyone know how. I am using a pair of rs422 line drivers which are controlled by the RTS signals. The communication link is a single twisted pair. I am able to make this work no problem with full duplex operation on two twisted pairs but I need to use the half duplex setup for the final setup. One pc is 100m under water and I want to be able to upload new source code to it after deployment so kermit would be a perfect solution if this could work. Any help would be much appreciated. asinc@ios.bc.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 12 20:22:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA10467 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20730 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in half duplex Date: 13 Jul 1996 00:22:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4s6q8a$k7o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31E6D8DD.3D0D@ios.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31E6D8DD.3D0D@ios.bc.ca>, Andrew Sinclair wrote: : I am trying to get two dos machines to communicate over a half duplex : line with kermit 3.13. : The current version is 3.14. : I understand that there is a handoff character so : I should be able to do this. Does anyone know how. : There is a section on half duplex communication in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". : I am using a pair of : rs422 line drivers which are controlled by the RTS signals. The : communication link is a single twisted pair. I am able to make this work : no problem with full duplex operation on two twisted pairs but I need to : use the half duplex setup for the final setup. : : One pc is 100m under water and I want to be able to upload new source : code to it after deployment so kermit would be a perfect solution if : this could work. : You mean, you have an RS-232 connection from the PC to the line driver, and there is a single data wire between the two line drivers? But as far as Kermit is concerned, there are separate receive and send wires, right? Of course, you could also have used regular modems for this job -- that would have allowed full-duplex communication, which is much more efficient for file transfer, allowing sliding windows and faster error recovery. Well, MS-DOS Kermit was explicitly designed to work with half duplex modems, so maybe all you need to do in that case is tell it to "set duplex half", which makes it follow the original RS-232 specification for RTS and CTS as Request to Send and Clear to Send. (Nowadays, RTS is more commonly used as Ready to Receive.) Failing that, you can use the following commands: set handshake cr set window 1 set flow none This says that the handshake character is Carriage Return (cr), which appears at the end of each Kermit packet. So each Kermit gives permission to the other to transmit by sending a packet. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 13 19:31:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23654 for ; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA08782 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 13 Jul 1996 19:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:27:40 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 25 Message-ID: <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> Reply-To: cksam@macau.ctm.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.103 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: > >I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >WinSock? > > Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier > BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind > -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- > -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >--- >þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY > It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not work with WinSock. Cheers, --SAM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 14 02:15:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA01449 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 02:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17129 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 02:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Message-ID: <1996Jul13.214359.82722@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Jul 96 21:43:59 MDT References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: > On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos > Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani > Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: > >> >>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >>WinSock? >> >> Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier >> BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind >> -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- >> -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >>--- >>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY >> > It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with > MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with > MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not > work with WinSock. ------------ Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver) and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir on both. Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 14 03:40:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA08955 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 03:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA18549 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 03:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet to Linux Hangs Message-ID: <1996Jul13.233922.82728@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Jul 96 23:39:22 MDT References: <199607090445.AAA14754@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 In article , really@lava.net writes: > On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > >> I'm sure that Joe will respond to you with much more detail about >> the MS-DOS Kermit tcp/ip stack. However, I do have a question? >> >> Have you tried using C-Kermit to one of the Linux boxes? >> Does it have the same problem? >> >> What are the conditions of the disconnect? >> 2 hours of no data transmission? If so, then this would indicate that there >> might be a problem with the "keep-alive" timeouts. If you get some disconnect >> at some random point in time, then the problem is something other than >> "keep-alives". >> > > The disconnect (MSKermit lockup) occurs after approximately 5 minutes > (never less than 4 minutes and never more than 6 minutes.) The session dies > exactly at the same second each time (e.g., if a session starts at 11:02:00, > that session might die at say 11:06:32, if I try again with a session > starting at 11:15:49, this session might die at 11:20:32, if I try once > again at 12:22:22, it typically would die at 12:27:32. Each time when the > session dies, I can alt/X to get back to the MSKermit prompt, but then a > 'q'uit response locks up my PC requiring a reboot. > > C-Kermit 5A(190) telnetting from our Sequent unix machine to either Linux > box does NOT cause similar timeouts. Neither does any other telnetting > method from PC-to-unix or unix-to-unix. > > Bob Carroll really@lava.net ------------ Sure looks like a keep-alive problem. If so it is likely fixed in the next release (where have we heard that expression before?). MSK v3.15 will go to open beta testing shortly, changing as the last items are added during the testing interval. Availability will be announced here. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 14 19:33:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21004 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!newsspool.doit.wisc.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!willis.cis.uab.edu!maze.dpo.uab.edu!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in half duplex Date: 14 JUL 96 18:10:04 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 6 Message-ID: <14JUL96.18100439@enh.nist.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov When I have to use half duplex I go to MS-Kermit> and type SET LOCAL-ECHO ON If nothing else works, you might try that. reflib@nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 14 19:36:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA21261 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26635 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in half duplex Date: 14 Jul 1996 23:36:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4sc09n$q09@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <14JUL96.18100439@enh.nist.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <14JUL96.18100439@enh.nist.gov>, wrote: : When I have to use half duplex I go to MS-Kermit> and type : SET LOCAL-ECHO ON : The question was about a dedicated file-transfer link between two PCs. SET LOCAL-ECHO ON affects only terminal emulation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 14 19:47:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA22108 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA26841 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 19:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!tulane.edu!cpk-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in half duplex (was: kermit in half duplex) Date: 14 JUL 96 20:00:41 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 6 Message-ID: <14JUL96.20004127@enh.nist.gov> NNTP-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Since the original poster of this message was from Canada, he might be excused for that lower-case k; but we all owe Jim Henson's memory the honor of gently reminding this community that Kermit is neither KERMIT nor kermit. reflib@nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 15 12:48:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA11151 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA08439 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.u.washington.edu![128.95.126.82]!apardoe From: "Andrew J. Pardoe" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TVI 955 emulator Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:17:35 -0700 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.95.126.82 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: NULL@news.u.washington.edu I am looking for a telnet client which can emulate TVI-955. C-kermit was suggested to me. Does C-kermit emultate TVI-955? Alternately, how difficult would it be to create a TVI-955 emulator and is this possible with C-kermit? Thank you, Andrew Pardoe From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 15 13:17:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA15146 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09221 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TVI 955 emulator Date: 15 Jul 1996 17:17:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4sduer$903@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Pardoe wrote: : I am looking for a telnet client which can emulate TVI-955. C-kermit was : suggested to me. : Does C-kermit emultate TVI-955? Alternately, how difficult would it be to : create a TVI-955 emulator and is this possible with C-kermit? : It depends on what kind of computer and operating system you want to run the emulator on. If it's Windows 95 or NT, we come close: TVI-950. See the Kermit Web site for more info: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 15 14:19:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA24069 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10655 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.aus.sig.net!news From: ami@sig.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: Re: Scan Key for K95 ;-( X-Nntp-Posting-Host: sanapin-amipc1.aus.sig.net Message-ID: <31e9f780.46858833@news.aus.sig.net> Sender: news@sig.net (Signet ISP Network news) Reply-To: ami@sig.net Organization: chaos X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 References: <4s3bnd$gut@samba.rahul.net> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:57:57 GMT Lines: 145 On 11 Jul 1996 16:56:13 GMT, Clarence Dold wrote: >Frank said (loosely paraphrased): > You could gain fame and honor by running a loop of show key, and > recording all of the responses. > >So, I thinks to mice-elf, I could use some honor. > >I went to K95, started a loop of showkey, and as each screen filled, I did a >cut and paste to a WordPad document. Actually with v1.1.5 you could have set a large command-screen scrollback buffer (eg 10000 lines), and marked the entire thing at once. >I went all through the normal keyboard, did the shifted, and as I started >the control, I realized that I wasn't even a quarter of the way done. >Now I might have been bored, but not that bored. >Untouched, shift, ctrl, alt, ctrl-alt, shift-alt, ctrl-shif... That's almost all, just ctrl-shift-alt left :-) >Hmm. Certainly some Microsoft document, or keyboard manufacturers >document, lists all of the codes? That's what I said, too. And it is. If you have a 101-key keyboard, with three modifiers (alt, ctrl, shift) that is 101 keys X 8 combinations = 808. Actually you must subtract Caps, and both Alt's, Shifts, and Ctrl's, and you will probably not use the Print Screen, Scroll Lock, Pause, and Num Lock: A total of 11 keys: 101 - 11 = 90; 90 x 8 = 720. Most of the information is in Microsoft's winuser.h file, which is part of their Visual C++ package but also probably in any other C or C++ package supporting the Win32 API. (I'm sure you know someone with a Win95 C compiler.) There is a section that defines a bunch of VK_ values. These are Win95's Virtual Key values, which K95 uses as the base value for its key values. However, K95 does not use Win95's methods of indicating Alt, Ctrl, etc. I can only guess this is to maintain backwards compatibility, but I'm not sure with what! K95 takes an 8-bit base value and adds these flag bits to get the 16-bit value it uses as the key value: #define KEY_SCAN 0x0100 #define KEY_SHIFT 0x0200 #define KEY_CTRL 0x0400 #define KEY_ALT 0x0800 #define KEY_ENHANCED 0x1000 When possible, K95 will use the ASCII value rather than a key's scan code (the Win95 VK_ value). When the scan code is used the KEY_SCAN flag bit is set. This makes Control combinations confusing. For example Control-C will have a K95 key value of 0x403 instead of 0x443: 0x03 ASCII value of ^C + 0x0400 KEY_CTRL bit ======== 0x0403 0x43 ASCII value of C + 0x0400 KEY_CTRL bit ======== 0x0443 the KEY_ENHANCED bit is used to distinguish keys available on 101-key Enhanced keyboards. For example, the 8/uparrow key on the numeric pad vs the gray uparrow key in the cursor-T of an Enhanced keyboard. K95 ignores the Num Lock state: The numeric pad keys will produce the same scan code regardless of the Num Lock state. The punctuation characters on the digit keys in the main area of the keyboard have their own "names" and their own base values: So Ctrl-shift-4 is called Ctrl-$ and is 0x0424 instead of 0x0634: 0x24 ASCII value of $ + 0x0400 KEY_CTRL bit ======== 0x0424 0x34 ASCII value of 4 + 0x0200 KEY_SHIFT bit + 0x0400 KEY_CTRL bit ======== 0x0634 The punctuation characters which have their own keys in the main area of the keyboard are a bit weird. Alt and Shift-Alt combination are OK: The ASCII values are used as base values and K95 prints their name as "Alt-;", etc. But the Ctrl and Shift-Ctrl combinations use different base values and have these names: ; 0xBA OEM.US.SemiColon = 0xBB OEM.US.Equal , 0xBC OEM.US.Comma . 0xBE OEM.US.Period / 0xBF OEM.US.Slash ' 0xDE OEM.US.Quote And their shifted characters are (same base values as non-shifted): : 0xBA Shift-OEM.US.SemiColon + 0xBB Shift-OEM.US.Equal , 0xBC Shift-OEM.US.Comma < 0xBE Shift-OEM.US.Period ? 0xBF Shift-OEM.US.Slash " 0xDE Shift-OEM.US.Quote Since ASCII has a ^\, the Control combinations of "\" and "|" are: 0x1F Ctrl-US (US is the ASCII mnemonic of ^\) 0xDC Ctrl-Shift-OEM.US.BackSlash (the hex numbers are the base values, not the entire K95 key value) ASCII also has a ^_, so the Control combinations of "-" and "_" are: 0xBD Ctrl-OEM.US.Subtract 0x1C Ctrl-FS (FS is the ASCII mnemonic of ^_) (ditto) The "/" on the numeric pad is called "gray-z" and has the KEY_ENHANCED bit set. The others are called "multiply", "add", and "subtract", and do not have the KEY_ENHANCED bit. The "5" on the numeric pad is called "clear". That's about everything I found out (actually someone sent me the defines of the KEY_* bits, but might not want their name mentioned.) Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@sig.net)