From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 15 14:37:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27636 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11147 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 14:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!cbgw1.att.com!cbgw2.att.com!netnews.worldnet.att.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!inx3.inx.net!news From: rosenberg@ixc.net (Sean Rosenberg) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.lans.ethernet,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Configuring an Ethernet adaptor and kermit with packet drivers Date: 14 Jul 1996 21:46:09 GMT Organization: Free Net IXC Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4sbpr1$7pa@inx3.inx.net> Reply-To: rosenber@ixc.net NNTP-Posting-Host: pm3r-121.inx.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (beta 2) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.lans.ethernet:26774 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5573 I have an IBM PC XT 8088 that I put an 10baseT ethernet adaptor into. I am hving troble getting it to work with kermit using packet drivers. After I have installed the drivers and typed: C:\kermit -f mscutom.ini the computer complains: Resolving host address 198.70.48.2... Unable to ARP resolve gateway 198.70.48.1 Unable to connect to host ... Does any one have any ideas? Please help. Thanks, Sean Rosenberg From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 15 16:49:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA18513 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14487 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 23:00:12 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 47 Message-ID: <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> <1996Jul13.214359.82722@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.101 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 13 Jul 96 21:43:59 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >> On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos >> Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani >> Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: >> >>> >>>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >>>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >>>WinSock? >>> >>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier >>> BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind >>> -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- >>> -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >>>--- >>>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY >>> >> It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with >> MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with >> MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not >> work with WinSock. >------------ > Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one >in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver) >and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir >on both. > Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. >Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of >TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running >two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. > Joe D. Regarding the EtherPPP packet driver in above mentioned FTP site, I can not make it work with the MS-Kermit on my PC, through I can make it work with NCSA Telnet and a modified version of KA9Q Telnet which have build-in SLIP support. In fact, I once consider it incompatible with MS-Kermit: After the packet driver make the connection and receive the dynamic PPP allocated PPP address, I run the MS-Kermit and then telnet to my shell account, it always fail in the BOOTP phrase and can not receive the IP address of gateway, netmask etc. --SAM From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 00:37:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA06794 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA26448 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!pull-feed.internetmci.com!news.internetMCI.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Message-ID: <1996Jul15.161427.82815@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jul 96 16:14:27 MDT References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 57 In article <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: > On 13 Jul 96 21:43:59 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > >>In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >>> On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos >>> Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani >>> Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >>>>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >>>>WinSock? >>>> >>>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier >>>> BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind >>>> -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- >>>> -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >>>>--- >>>>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY >>>> >>> It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with >>> MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with >>> MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not >>> work with WinSock. >>------------ >> Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one >>in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver) >>and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir >>on both. >> Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. >>Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of >>TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running >>two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. >> Joe D. > > Regarding the EtherPPP packet driver in above mentioned FTP site, > I can not make it work with the MS-Kermit on my PC, through I can > make it work with NCSA Telnet and a modified version of KA9Q > Telnet which have build-in SLIP support. In fact, I once consider > it incompatible with MS-Kermit: After the packet driver make the > connection and receive the dynamic PPP allocated PPP address, I > run the MS-Kermit and then telnet to my shell account, it always > fail in the BOOTP phrase and can not receive the IP address of > gateway, netmask etc. > > --SAM -------------- Once the PPP connection starts an IP number is provided back on the video screen (as I recall, dimmly). Use that number for the local machine and whatever is the other end as the gateway; it's a wire with one machine at each end, point to point. Bootp is probably trying to assign yet another IP number to the client and that makes no sense. I haven't touched EtherPPP for some time, but the last time I did it worked here with MSK. Previously it would hang the machine while loading itself. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 04:13:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA22882 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA00373 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Configuring an Ethernet adaptor and kermit with packet drivers Message-ID: <1996Jul15.165845.82822@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Jul 96 16:58:45 MDT References: <4sbpr1$7pa@inx3.inx.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <4sbpr1$7pa@inx3.inx.net>, rosenberg@ixc.net (Sean Rosenberg) writes: > I have an IBM PC XT 8088 that I put an 10baseT ethernet adaptor into. I am > hving troble getting it to work with kermit using packet drivers. > > After I have installed the drivers and typed: > > C:\kermit -f mscutom.ini > > the computer complains: > > Resolving host address 198.70.48.2... > > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 198.70.48.1 > Unable to connect to host ------------- Either the entire setup isn't working for general IP connectivity issues, or you may have encountered the announced bug in MSK v3.14 which prevents comms between two Ethernet boards whose first three bytes of MAC address match between those boards. The latter is unpatchable and the cure is to try MSK v3.15 prerelease when we make it available shortly. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 13:33:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA03525 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA01709 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for WICAT? Date: 16 Jul 1996 17:32:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4sgjnu$1l4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu For some reason this week we have received a number of requests for Kermit software for the WICAT computer, which as I dimly recall, dates from the early 1980s, and runs an operating system called WMCS (WICAT Multiuser Control System). We don't have a Kermit program for it, but it has always been rather common for people to write Kermit programs for "little" systems like this but never tell us about them -- and then years later somebody calls and asks for tech support, and that's how we find out about it :-) Anyway -- Does anybody out there remember the WICAT? Do you know of a Kermit program for it? If not, do you know what language it was most commonly programmed in? (Maybe one of the existing Kermit programs could be easily converted.) Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 14:39:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13301 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03709 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!daily-planet.execpc.com!usenet From: kustner@emjay.com (Tom Kustner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:40:19 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <31ebc695.10003655@news.execpc.com> References: <4pqc5n$gam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: larch.execpc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5578 comp.os.vms:131493 comp.os.aos:774 On 14 Jun 1996 00:36:07 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > >This is to announce a second Beta-test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, >VMS, AOS/VS, and (not quite Beta) the Apple Macintosh, hopefully to be >joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous >general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The first 6.0.192 >Beta test was announced on May 19; the major new features of version 6.0.192 >were listed in that announcement. > We want to try out Kermit for AOS/VS and have downloaded it, but don't have a C compiler on our AOS/VS machine. Is our only choice to buy the compiler from DG? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: kustner@emjay.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 14:44:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA13920 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA03856 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026 Date: 16 Jul 1996 18:44:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <4sgnue$3od@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4pqc5n$gam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31ebc695.10003655@news.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5579 comp.os.vms:131494 comp.os.aos:775 In article <31ebc695.10003655@news.execpc.com>, Tom Kustner wrote: : On 14 Jun 1996 00:36:07 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) : wrote: : >This is to announce a second Beta-test edit of C-Kermit 6.0.192 for UNIX, : >VMS, AOS/VS, and (not quite Beta) the Apple Macintosh, hopefully to be : >joined by several other operating systems along the way. The previous : >general release of C-Kermit was 5A(190) in October 1994. The first 6.0.192 : >Beta test was announced on May 19; the major new features of version 6.0.192 : >were listed in that announcement. : > : We want to try out Kermit for AOS/VS and have downloaded it, but don't : have a C compiler on our AOS/VS machine. Is our only choice to buy : the compiler from DG? : The binary is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file ckdker.pr. It was built on an MV2500 with AOS/VS-II 2.20.73. Please report testing results to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 14:59:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15623 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA04215 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!imci5!imci4!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!admaix.sunydutchess.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!news From: "Robert L. Mohrmann" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: Can input be saved to a variable? Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:01:54 -0400 Organization: Northern Telecom Lines: 17 Message-ID: <31EBD912.30C@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1pph72b.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.03 9000/712) I've got UNIX version 5A(188) Is there a way to save incoming characters on a communication line to a variable? I already know about: OPEN READ READ \%a Is there something like: INPUTVAR \%a ? Thanks in advance for any help. From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 15:24:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA18606 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA05059 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Can input be saved to a variable? Date: 16 Jul 1996 19:24:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4sgq9a$4u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31EBD912.30C@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31EBD912.30C@nt.com>, Robert L. Mohrmann wrote: : I've got UNIX version 5A(188) : : Is there a way to save incoming characters on : a communication line to a variable? : INPUTVAR \%a : The INPUT buffer is always available to you in the \v(input) variable. See pages 279-281 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 17:27:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA06877 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08283 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!sdd.hp.com!col.hp.com!news.corp.hp.com!isonews.bbn.hp.com!wwwcrc.swiss.hp.com!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95. NT and "Telnet server" Date: 16 Jul 1996 19:21:03 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 31 Message-ID: <4sgq2v$322@hpber002.swiss.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2.9] According the Kermit web pages, the new K95 version supports dialin over serial and TCP/IP. How exactly is this telnet server? - Will K95 sit on the telnet port and wait for a connection (similar to a NT service)? - Or is K95 started via an inetd-similar service? - Do I have manually start kermit to the host mode? - How does it compare to other telnet server (only) packages? I know that K95 is not primarly designed as a telnet server, but if it's solving my needs as a telnet server, it would be THE ideal tool for my environment. (I need to be able to login to an NT box over a serial connection and telnet to another box from there.. Unfortunately, the NT telnet program is a windows based application....) Regards Daniel -- Daniel Huber, OSC, Hewlett Packard Switzerland, HP8702, Telnet: 780 3247 SMTP: danielh@swiss.hp.com (Daniel_Huber@HP-Switzerland-om2.om.hp.com) TELNET: 780 3247 PHONE: +41 31 980 3247 FAX: +41 31 980 3390 If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Own --- From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 16 17:41:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10049 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA08595 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95. NT and "Telnet server" Date: 16 Jul 1996 21:41:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4sh29j$8ch@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sgq2v$322@hpber002.swiss.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sgq2v$322@hpber002.swiss.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: : According the Kermit web pages, the new K95 version supports dialin over : serial and TCP/IP. How exactly is this telnet server? : : - Will K95 sit on the telnet port and wait for a connection (similar to a NT : service)? : Yes, but it is not an NT service. : - Or is K95 started via an inetd-similar service? : Yes. It comes with an inetd-like daemon that waits for incoming connections on a specified socket. Whenever a connection comes in, it starts up Kermit 95 in host mode on that socket, and then waits for another connection. : - Do I have manually start kermit to the host mode? : You have to start the daemon. There is a hostmode management program that does this and all the other tasks associated with managing host mode, user IDs, and so on. : - How does it compare to other telnet server (only) packages? : Somebody else would have to answer that. As far as I know, there IS no Telnet server for Windows 95. : I know that K95 is not primarly designed as a telnet server, but if it's : solving my needs as a telnet server, it would be THE ideal tool for my : environment. (I need to be able to login to an NT box over a serial : connection and telnet to another box from there.. Unfortunately, the NT : telnet program is a windows based application....) : So is Kermit 95 -- it just might not look that way :-) But no, I am sorry, Kermit 95 will not let you log in to your Windows system and then Telnet out from there. All you get is the menu, and all you can do is what is on the menu. The details are listed at our Web site, and you can even read the host-mode user manual there: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 09:29:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA28296 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17557 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 09:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!dsinc!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!news.drenet.dnd.ca!crc-news.doc.ca!nott!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nrtphba6.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!news From: "Robert L. Mohrmann" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Can input be saved to a variable? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:13:58 -0400 Organization: Northern Telecom Lines: 8 Message-ID: <31ECD906.1393@nt.com> References: <31EBD912.30C@nt.com> <4sgq9a$4u1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: n1pph72b.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.03 9000/712) Frank da Cruz wrote: > The INPUT buffer is always available to you in the \v(input) variable. > See pages 279-281 of "Using C-Kermit". Thanks alot, I have an old copy of your book "Kermit A File Transfer Protocol" and couldn't find it in there. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 10:33:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA09526 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19461 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 10:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: 17 Jul 1996 14:33:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Chinese Terminal Emulation, Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92660 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5585 In article <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net>, Kenny Lau wrote: : Can someone pls advise me a Free DOS or Windows 3.1 communication : software that can redefine function keys and support Chinese display ? : We use it as a emulation software to connect PC to IBM RS/6000 in : VT220 mode. : MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is free for end use (there are restrictions on redistribution in the commercial arena), but we do ask that users purchase a copy of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (available in English, French, or German), to help support the Kermit Project (and, of course, to help you get the most out of the software). It works in DOS and Windows 3.x, and offers VT52, VT100, VT102, VT220, VT320, and ANSI emulation. You can redefine any key or key combination: F1, Ctrl-F1, Alt-F1, Shift-F1, Ctrl-Shift-F1, Alt-Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt- Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F1, and so on for all F keys, keypad keys, and all other keys. If you are using it in DOS, it supports Chinese terminal emulation if you are running ZWDOS (for GB encoding) or KCDOS (Big5 encoding); you don't need a special Chinese PC for this -- it also works on US, European, and other IBM PCs and compatibles. The underlying DOS version supplies the input method: BoPoMoFo, Chang-Jie, etc. I can't say whether or how Chinese terminal emulation works in Windows, but I suspect it will work OK if you have a Chinese version of Windows that displays a Chinese Code Page which uses GB or Big5 encoding in a DOS window, and supplies the corresponding input method. (If anybody has better information about using MS-DOS Kermit in Chinese Windows, I'd like to hear about it.) You can find out about MS-DOS Kermit, and all the other Kermit software programs, at the Kermit Web Site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ For more about Chinese (and Japanese, and Cyrillic, and Hebrew) terminal emulation, see the article on MS-DOS Kermit in Kermit News #6: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 14:54:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA18401 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:54:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA25891 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 14:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.helsinki.fi!news From: Tero Nousiainen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 - server ending automatically? Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 20:33:06 +0300 Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 24 Message-ID: <31ED23D2.4B8A@helsinki.fi> NNTP-Posting-Host: podeco3.pc.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) My kermit is running on a data collection server waiting incoming calls. The calling computer has also a kermit, which asks my server to finish and to do some transfers. The server computer has a daily schedule: the kermit-server should end automatically at midnight to do some reportings. Nowadays the system is running on MS-kermit with server hh:mm:ss -capability. I try to convert the scripts for K95 to be running on WINNT3.51. K95 doesn't support the "server hh:mm:ss" - server until... I suppose I could manage the missing capability with set server idle-timeout of K95. The documentation describes the unit to be seconds. According to my experiences : value 200 for this setting ends server after 10 secs from starting the server, value 600 ends after about 20 secs, with value 3600 the server runs for 45 secs from the beginning. What is the real unit of the setting, or do I have some other setting wrong? My Kermit is K95 v. 1.1.5 (and 1.1.4) running on NT3.51WKS. best regards Tero Nousiainen tero.nousiainen@helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 16:35:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05930 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA28575 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!en.com!usenet From: DavidR Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receive window full Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 16:24:33 -0400 Organization: Conley, Conitano & Assoc., Inc. Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31ED4C00.495E@CCAi.attmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: p23-ts2.en.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Just started upgrading from 5A(BETA) at a client site to 5A and keep receiving a "Receive window full" message everytime I try to GET a file. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 17:30:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA13264 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA00740 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 17:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receive window full Date: 17 Jul 1996 21:30:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4sjm1a$mv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31ED4C00.495E@CCAi.attmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31ED4C00.495E@CCAi.attmail.com>, DavidR wrote: : Just started upgrading from 5A(BETA) at a client site to 5A and keep : receiving a "Receive window full" message everytime I try to GET a file. : Please send a more detailed report to kermit-support@columbia.edu. What version are you using, on what platform, on what kind of connection, same information about what's on the other end, etc etc. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 18:28:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19985 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03098 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 18:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!news.er.usgs.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: dos kermit w/windows woes Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:44:19 GMT Lines: 43 Sender: jefe@netcom16.netcom.com Ok, I'm desperate. I have isolated a problem with dos/kermit when running in a window (wfw 3.11). Here is my situation: I'm running IBM-PC kermit-MS version 2.32/A (DOS). I'm running a dos app which initiates kermit with a script file. The script file allocates com port 2, sets the speed to 57600 (or 9600 or whatever, doesn't matter at this moment). When the baud is set, it gives me a message 'UNIMPLEMENTED BAUD RATE'. If I ignore this, once connected, I get about a screen of text (from whatever I'm connected to) and then no more response, unless I hold down a key on the keyboard. For instance, I can type in a USER ID and hit return. I get no response, unless I hold down a key on the keyboard. In essence, I get a single character of response the host for every keypress I initiate. Ok, here's the kicker: If I TOUCH the port (com 2) through any normal windows app first, and just type anything in, AT, whatever, then exit the windows app, DOS kermit works fine. I set the port, set the baud rate, I get no error messages, and the connection works like a top. Here's what I've done (in a nutshell, and not necessarily in order): I've made flow control changes, both through kermit-dos and windows control panel/ports, and through the individual windows apps, I've changed baud rates (through all of the above) I've used different windows apps, such as PC-anywhare and TERMINAL (from accessories) and get the same results. It doesn't seem to matter what windows app I use, it seems to 'WAKE UP' the port for kermit in dos. Is this problem solvable? I would appreciate ANY responses, preferably via email, but responses here would be fine as I will be checking this newsgroup. Thanks in advance. Paul BTW: If any of this is unclear, please let me know and I will clarify any points I've made. Thanks again. -- ****************************************************************************** Thoughts by: Pablo (tm) Free Bob Kelly... ****************************************************************************** People tend not to like one who is always right; people truly hate one who really is... .mw From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 19:12:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA25626 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dos kermit w/windows woes Date: 17 Jul 1996 23:11:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4sjrve$45m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Pablo wrote: : : Ok, I'm desperate. I have isolated a problem with dos/kermit : when running in a window (wfw 3.11). Here is my situation: I'm running : IBM-PC kermit-MS version 2.32/A (DOS). : Why? It's ancient. Try the current version, 3.14. See the Kermit Web page for details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ : I'm running a dos app which initiates kermit with a script file. The : script file allocates com port 2, sets the speed to 57600 (or 9600 or : whatever, doesn't matter at this moment). When the baud is set, it gives : me a message 'UNIMPLEMENTED BAUD RATE'.... : Say no more. Get the current version and try it. If it doesn't work, read the KERMIT.BWR file that came with, explaining all about the PC communications foibles. Hint: your problem is mostly likely because the modem is set for RTS/CTS flow control and your "Model T" Kermit program came out before RTS/CTS was even invented as a full-duplex flow control method. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, of course, supports it. If, after installing the current version and reading the KERMIT.BWR file, you still have trouble, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu giving the details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 19:38:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA29479 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 19:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!lamont.ldeo.columbia.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:48:40 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 97 Message-ID: <31ec9f1b.808770@news.zippo.com> References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com> <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> <1996Jul15.161427.82815@cc.usu.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On 15 Jul 96 16:14:27 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >In article <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >> On 13 Jul 96 21:43:59 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >> >>>In article <31e740a1.3851780@news.zippo.com>, cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) writes: >>>> On 12 Jul 1996 04:59:48 -0400, vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos >>>> Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani >>>> Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I'm a bit confused about using PPP from DOS with MS-Kermit. >>>>>Where do I get it? How do I configure it? Does it interfere with >>>>>WinSock? >>>>> >>>>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos,Columbia'81+,Bioengineer-Financier >>>>> BachMozart ReaganQuayleGramm EvrytanoKastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFnc&Ind >>>>> -{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}- >>>>> -(Composed offline at 18h01 07011096)- >>>>>--- >>>>>þ CMPQwk #1.4þ UNREGISTERED EVALUATION COPY >>>>> >>>> It is possible to of SLIP and CSLIP connection from DOS with >>>> MS-Kermit, but I can't find a good PPP DOS driver to work with >>>> MS-Kermit. If my memory serve me right, the MS-Kermit does not >>>> work with WinSock. >>>------------ >>> Finding PPP drivers is pretty much up to the user. There is one >>>in the Packet Driver area of kermit.columbia.edu (dir is packet-driver) >>>and the same on my netlab2.usu.edu (dir is pktdrvr), in the ppp subdir >>>on both. >>> Winsock is for pure Windows programs only, not for DOS programs. >>>Please do review the release notes with MS-DOS Kermit on the subject of >>>TCP/IP, and not that we strongly recommend not thinking about running >>>two or more TCP/IP stacks over the same board at the same time. >>> Joe D. >> >> Regarding the EtherPPP packet driver in above mentioned FTP site, >> I can not make it work with the MS-Kermit on my PC, through I can >> make it work with NCSA Telnet and a modified version of KA9Q >> Telnet which have build-in SLIP support. In fact, I once consider >> it incompatible with MS-Kermit: After the packet driver make the >> connection and receive the dynamic PPP allocated PPP address, I >> run the MS-Kermit and then telnet to my shell account, it always >> fail in the BOOTP phrase and can not receive the IP address of >> gateway, netmask etc. >> >> --SAM >-------------- > Once the PPP connection starts an IP number is provided back >on the video screen (as I recall, dimmly). Use that number for the >local machine and whatever is the other end as the gateway; it's a >wire with one machine at each end, point to point. Bootp is probably >trying to assign yet another IP number to the client and that makes >no sense. > I haven't touched EtherPPP for some time, but the last time >I did it worked here with MSK. Previously it would hang the machine >while loading itself. > Joe D. ----------- Don't work in my case. It would create the telnet session. In order to find out the reason, I played following little experiment: I loaded the EtherPPP driver, then load the NCSA telnet and make a telnet session to my shell account. It works fine. I quit the NCSA telnet, then load it again. Once again I make a telnet session to my shell account, it also works fine. Then I quit the NCSA telnet and load MS-kermit by typing kermit, do NOTHING, then quit MS-kermit by typing quit. I load NCSA telnet, at this time the NCSA do not work and complain that it can not initialize the network layer. I also play the second experiment: I loaded the SLIP8250 SLIP driver, than run the MS-kermit and make a telnet session to my shell account, it works fine. I quit MS-Kermit, then run the KA9Q telnet and make a telnet session to my shell account, it also work. Then I quit KA9Q and run the MS-kermit to make a telnet session to my shell account. It also works fine. Noted that I never unload the SLIP8250 driver, when I switch between MS-kermit and KA9Q. I also do not unload the EtherPPP when I switch between MS-kermit and NCSA telnet. After loaded the EtherPPP, I have no problem to load the NCSA telnet and make the telnet session and then quit from it multiple times without unload the EtherPPP. >From the above experiments, it suggests something has be changed when the MS-Kermit is loaded and then be unloaded. It make me can not switch to NCSA if I run MS-kermit first. Since EtherPPP work with MS-kermit in your lab, so it may be caused by something in my particular software and hardware combination. It looks it is my time to give up my try to make PPP work in my PC once again. --SAM From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 17 22:41:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA16556 for ; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA08668 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jul 1996 22:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!sgigate.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: dos kermit w/windows woes Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <4sjrve$45m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 01:55:29 GMT Lines: 24 Sender: jefe@netcom11.netcom.com Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Say no more. Get the current version and try it. If it doesn't work, : read the KERMIT.BWR file that came with, explaining all about the PC : communications foibles. Hint: your problem is mostly likely because : the modem is set for RTS/CTS flow control and your "Model T" Kermit : program came out before RTS/CTS was even invented as a full-duplex : flow control method. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, of course, supports it. Excellent, I will try your suggestion. I had suspected flow control for a few moments this morning, and I did notice that my Kermit didn't have rts/cts, it only had xon/xoff, but not knowing enough about all of the communication 'foibles' I went on to other things. I really appreciate your help. Thanks again. : If, after installing the current version and reading the KERMIT.BWR file, : you still have trouble, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu giving : the details. Will do. Thanks much. -- ****************************************************************************** Thoughts by: Pablo (tm) Free Bob Kelly... ****************************************************************************** People tend not to like one who is always right; people truly hate one who really is... .mw From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 18 15:44:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA21662 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19678 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 15:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 1.1.6 now available for Windows 95 and NT Date: 18 Jul 1996 19:44:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 79 Message-ID: <4sm47f$j6s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Version 1.1.6 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT is now available. In the time-honored tradition of odd and even numbered versions, this even-numbered version corrects several problems in the recently announced 1.1.5 version. If you have not used Kermit 95 before, visit our Web site for a tour: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Version 1.1.6 has the following new features: . A new SAVE KEYMAP command, handy not only for saving your current key map, but also for converting key mapping files between MS-DOS Kermit and Windows scan codes. . An improved dynamic packet-length algorithm for Kermit transfers, including a new "slow start" feature to aid in calibrating the capacity of the communication channel. . A more responsive dynamic timeout method for Kermit transfers. Version 1.1.6 corrects the following problems: . Bugs in Televideo emulation . SCOANSI and AT386 emulation too picky about Code Page . SCOANSI and AT386 emulation vs Latin-1 and line-drawing . VT100 (but not 102/220/320) reverse scrolling was broken in 1.1.5 . SET TERMINAL ESCAPE-CHARACTER DISABLED didn't work . SET TERMINAL COLOR ERASE CURRENT-COLOR didn't work . SET KEY commands were too slow in 1.1.5 . SET MSKERMIT KEYCODES ON did not work with some gray keys . SHOW KEY ALL did not show keys that had string definitions . Occasional data overruns on high-speed serial uploads . XYZMODEM transfer statistics were off . XYZMODEM file transfers gave incorrect status codes . XYZMODEM transfers made no transaction log entries . Cursor disappeared after Ctrl-C interruption of file transfer . K95 could not send a file that was already open . Accented and non-Roman letters in Registration name were garbled . Some Dialer File Transfer page items were spuriously grayed out . Array elements could not be used for file names . DIRECTORY command gave spurious error messages . TELNET negotiations were sometimes skipped . Text-to-PostScript converter TEXTPS.EXE was broken in version 1.1.5 See the new BUGS.DOC file for details. HOW TO GET IT The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.6. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.6 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ or on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Report problems with the patches to kermit-support@columbia.edu. WHAT'S NEXT Barring unforeseen circumstances, this will be the final console-mode-only release of Kermit 95, and also the final release that will work under Windows NT 3.xx. (Yes, that's what we said when we released 1.1.3 and 1.1.4.) (Yes, that's what we said when we released 1.1.5, but the changes in this release are primarily corrections to 1.1.5, to make it as solid as possible as we turn all efforts towards the GUI.) Frank da Cruz, Christine M. Gianone, Jeffrey E. Altman, Max Evarts, and Andy Newcomb The Kermit Project, Columbia University, New York City From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 18 21:48:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA08986 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA26415 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 21:32:49 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 55 Message-ID: <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.114 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92787 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5594 On 17 Jul 1996 14:33:12 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net>, >Kenny Lau wrote: >: Can someone pls advise me a Free DOS or Windows 3.1 communication >: software that can redefine function keys and support Chinese display ? >: We use it as a emulation software to connect PC to IBM RS/6000 in >: VT220 mode. >: >MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is free for end use (there are restrictions on >redistribution in the commercial arena), but we do ask that users purchase >a copy of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (available in English, French, >or German), to help support the Kermit Project (and, of course, to help >you get the most out of the software). > >It works in DOS and Windows 3.x, and offers VT52, VT100, VT102, VT220, >VT320, and ANSI emulation. You can redefine any key or key combination: >F1, Ctrl-F1, Alt-F1, Shift-F1, Ctrl-Shift-F1, Alt-Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt- >Shift-F1, Ctrl-Alt-F1, and so on for all F keys, keypad keys, and all >other keys. > >If you are using it in DOS, it supports Chinese terminal emulation if you >are running ZWDOS (for GB encoding) or KCDOS (Big5 encoding); you don't >need a special Chinese PC for this -- it also works on US, European, and >other IBM PCs and compatibles. The underlying DOS version supplies the >input method: BoPoMoFo, Chang-Jie, etc. > >I can't say whether or how Chinese terminal emulation works in Windows, >but I suspect it will work OK if you have a Chinese version of Windows >that displays a Chinese Code Page which uses GB or Big5 encoding in a DOS >window, and supplies the corresponding input method. (If anybody has >better information about using MS-DOS Kermit in Chinese Windows, I'd like >to hear about it.) > >You can find out about MS-DOS Kermit, and all the other Kermit software >programs, at the Kermit Web Site: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > >For more about Chinese (and Japanese, and Cyrillic, and Hebrew) terminal >emulation, see the article on MS-DOS Kermit in Kermit News #6: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html > >- Frank MS-Kermit does not display the Chinese Characters correctly in a DOS Window in Chinese Windows 3.11 (Big5 coding). the two-byte 8-bit characters are displayed a single-bye 8-bit charcters. But MS-Kermit does display Chinese Character correctly in DOS Window under Windows for Workgroup 3.11 with a CJK characters add-on (Unionway Double Byte Manager 4.0.). --SAM From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 00:24:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25790 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29463 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!news.celestar.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-7.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-ana-24.sprintlink.net!news.fibr.net!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!cbgw2.att.com!oucsboss!oak.cats.ohiou.edu!rc109092 From: rc109092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Richard Allen Coss) Subject: Redirecting standard out from the serial line X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.cats.ohiou.edu (rc109092) Message-ID: Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu Jul 18 13:05:21 1996 Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:05:23 GMT Lines: 14 I'm using C-kermit on a linux system to communicate with the university's phone trafficking switch. I can make a connection query the switch and have my desired files scoll across the screen. Does anyone know If C-kermit has an option to redirect all incoming data from the serial port to a specified file elsewhere on the system? Richard Coss rcoss@agave.cns.ohiou.edu -- you win From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 08:24:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01310 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!mattp From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 12:13:56 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: rvl-md1-03.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 7:13:56 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 I just got the new patch 1.1.6 and I have found a problem. I am using the dialer to connect to an SCO machine, I have set the term type to scoansi. But when I log into the machine k95 does not work right. But if I open a dos window and execute telnet and do: set terminal type scoansi then I 'telnet hostname' everything works rights. So what is the deal? I have a feeling that the Dialer is not setting the telnet up correctly for scoansi. Anyone have an idea of what I can try to do? One other things that has been really bugging me about k95 is that when I open up a telnet session from the Dialer and after I log out of the machine I was in I end back at a 'k95>' prompt. Is there a way to get the damn window to close after I exit out of the machine? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 09:07:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07267 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27212 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Redirecting standard out from the serial line Date: 19 Jul 1996 13:07:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4so1ao$8jd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Allen Coss wrote: : I'm using C-kermit on a linux system to communicate with the : university's phone trafficking switch. I can make a connection : query the switch and have my desired files scoll across the screen. : Does anyone know If C-kermit has an option to redirect all incoming : data from the serial port to a specified file elsewhere on the system? : As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", use LOG SESSION for this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 09:10:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07567 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: 19 Jul 1996 13:10:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4so1fq$8m0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92818 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5598 In article <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com>, SAM, Chi-Kin wrote: : MS-Kermit does not display the Chinese Characters correctly in a : DOS Window in Chinese Windows 3.11 (Big5 coding). the two-byte : 8-bit characters are displayed a single-bye 8-bit charcters. But : MS-Kermit does display Chinese Character correctly in DOS Window : under Windows for Workgroup 3.11 with a CJK characters add-on : (Unionway Double Byte Manager 4.0.). : In Chinese Windows 3.11, did you tell Kermit to: set parity none set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 09:42:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA12534 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA27723 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: 19 Jul 1996 13:42:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, Zorin wrote: : I just got the new patch 1.1.6 and I have found a problem. I am using the : dialer to connect to an SCO machine, I have set the term type to scoansi. : You mean in the terminal emulation page of the Dialer notebook for this entry? : But when I log into the machine k95 does not work right. But if I open a : dos window and execute telnet and do: set terminal type scoansi then I : 'telnet hostname' everything works rights. So what is the deal? I have a : feeling that the Dialer is not setting the telnet up correctly for scoansi. : Anyone have an idea of what I can try to do? : The terminal type is set properly to SCOANSI. However, there appears to be something else funny going on with the colors and the status line, which we will have to look at. Thanks for noticing. Stay tuned. : One other things that has been really bugging me about k95 is that when I : open up a telnet session from the Dialer and after I log out of the machine : I was in I end back at a 'k95>' prompt. Is there a way to get the damn : window to close after I exit out of the machine? : It depends on how you invoke Kermit 95. You can make act just like Telnet and exit when the connection closes by using the -J (uppercase) command-line option. See section 6.1 of the UPDATES.DOC file. The current TELNET.EXE and RLOGIN.EXE programs that come with K95 do this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 10:23:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16849 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28319 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!hunter.premier.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.coast.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!mattp From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 14:03:05 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 51 Message-ID: <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rvl-md1-17.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 9:03:00 AM CDT 1996 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 In article <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>, >Zorin wrote: >: I just got the new patch 1.1.6 and I have found a problem. I am using the >: dialer to connect to an SCO machine, I have set the term type to scoansi. >: >You mean in the terminal emulation page of the Dialer notebook for this >entry? yes that is what I meant. I do everything from the win95 dialer. > >: But when I log into the machine k95 does not work right. But if I open a >: dos window and execute telnet and do: set terminal type scoansi then I >: 'telnet hostname' everything works rights. So what is the deal? I have a >: feeling that the Dialer is not setting the telnet up correctly for scoansi. >: Anyone have an idea of what I can try to do? >: >The terminal type is set properly to SCOANSI. However, there appears to be >something else funny going on with the colors and the status line, which we >will have to look at. Thanks for noticing. Stay tuned. > one other thing that I have noticed is if I set the cursor to be a 'block' type that things also get screwed up, but if it is set to 'underline' it is fine. >: One other things that has been really bugging me about k95 is that when I >: open up a telnet session from the Dialer and after I log out of the machine >: I was in I end back at a 'k95>' prompt. Is there a way to get the damn >: window to close after I exit out of the machine? >: >It depends on how you invoke Kermit 95. You can make act just like Telnet >and exit when the connection closes by using the -J (uppercase) command-line >option. See section 6.1 of the UPDATES.DOC file. The current TELNET.EXE >and RLOGIN.EXE programs that come with K95 do this. > >- Frank I am invoking the telnet from the k95 dialer. So this is what I do, I go to the dialer click on a host that I want to telnet too. I click on it and the telnet screen opens. I log in and do my stuff then I do 'exit' from the unix server. The telnet session ends and I end up at a k95> prompt. Is there a way that I can get the whole window to close instead of getting back to the prompt? The other thing that I have noticed is that now when I exit from the K95> prompt that the program takes a very long time to close. It was not this slow with version 1.1.4. Matt From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 10:40:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20517 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA28699 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: 19 Jul 1996 14:40:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, Zorin wrote: : >The terminal type is set properly to SCOANSI. However, there appears to be : >something else funny going on with the colors and the status line, which we : >will have to look at. Thanks for noticing. Stay tuned. : : one other thing that I have noticed is if I set the cursor to be a 'block' : type that things also get screwed up, but if it is set to 'underline' it is : fine. : There is a bug. It probably applies to all ANSI terminal types: ANSI, SCOANSI, AT386, and Avatar. It has to do with the order in which the Dialer feeds commands to K95.EXE. Of course, we'll fix the bug. Meanwhile, you can work around it by changing some things in the Terminal page of the Dialer entry notebook: 1. Set the screen colors explicitly. Most notably, the terminal emulation screen should be "lgray" foreground and "black" background. 2. Set the Character Size to 8 bits. 3. Set the Character Set to transparent. 4. Set the Screen height to 25 (yes, 25). Even though 25 is not a choice, you can select 24 with the mouse, delete it, and type in 25. NOTE that SCOANSI emulation does NOT have a status line. It wants to use the full PC screen (which is normally 25 lines). There might still be a few glitches. : I am invoking the telnet from the k95 dialer. So this is what I do, I go to : the dialer click on a host that I want to telnet too. I click on it and the : telnet screen opens. I log in and do my stuff then I do 'exit' from the : unix server. The telnet session ends and I end up at a k95> prompt. Is : there a way that I can get the whole window to close instead of getting back : to the prompt? : Not when starting K95 this way. We'll have to add a new check box or something: "Exit on close". : The other thing that I have noticed is that now when I exit from the K95> : prompt that the program takes a very long time to close. It was not this : slow with version 1.1.4. : Depending on what you were doing, there might still be a bunch of threads that need to be terminated. The main thread has to wait for Windows to shut them down before exiting. We'll look and see if there is any way to speed this up. Thanks again for the reports. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 11:13:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA24273 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!cam-news-feed5.bbnplanet.com!news.idx.com!news From: "Jeannine Loftus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't transfer a file from a PC to a Vax; Record too big error Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:55:46 -0700 Organization: IDX Systems Corp Lines: 26 Message-ID: <01bb759b.82f69780$e7936bc0@loftus.idx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.107.147.231 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1085 We have a client who is getting an error message attempting to Kermit a file into the VAX %KERMIT32-EREC_TOO_BIG, record too big for kermits internal buffersst message. I raised bytlim in the authorization record(on teh VAX) and in the CKERMIT.SET file I raised the packet receive size from 128 to 512 bytes; ultimately raised this to 5000 and it's still not working. I have acopy of the error message the sender is receiving give the fiollowing: File name: chgc0715.dat as chgc071596.dat Kbytes transferred: 5 Percent transferred: 83% Sending: failed Number of Packets: 15 Packet length: 80 Number of retries: 1 last error: %KERMIT32-EREC_TOO_BIG, record too big for kermits internal buffersst message He is able to sucessfully transfer an ascii file of less than 5000 bytes. Any thoughts please reply to loftus@idx.com Thanks From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 11:54:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA00582 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA00176 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't transfer a file from a PC to a Vax; Record too big error Date: 19 Jul 1996 15:53:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4sob2b$csb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb759b.82f69780$e7936bc0@loftus.idx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb759b.82f69780$e7936bc0@loftus.idx.com>, Jeannine Loftus wrote: : We have a client who is getting an error message attempting to Kermit a : file into the VAX : %KERMIT32-EREC_TOO_BIG, record too big for kermits internal buffersst : message. : : I raised bytlim in the authorization record(on teh VAX) and in the : CKERMIT.SET file I raised the packet receive size from 128 to 512 bytes; : ultimately raised this to 5000 and it's still not working. I have acopy of : the error message the sender is receiving give the fiollowing: : The problem is you are using Kermit-32, not C-Kermit, so any changes you make to C-KERMIT initialization files won't do anything. The solution is to use C-Kermit instead of Kermit-32. In any case, it sounds like the file that is being uploaded is not an ordinary text (otherwise you would not have records that were longer than 32,767 characters), so it should be transferred in binary mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 12:48:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA09507 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA01053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!ix.netcom.com!mattp From: zorin1@ix.netcom.com (Zorin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 16:39:20 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4sodnk$e3d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so3cc$9j2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rvl-md1-15.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Fri Jul 19 9:39:16 AM PDT 1996 X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #2 In article <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com>, >Zorin wrote: >There is a bug. It probably applies to all ANSI terminal types: ANSI, >SCOANSI, AT386, and Avatar. It has to do with the order in which the Dialer >feeds commands to K95.EXE. Of course, we'll fix the bug. Meanwhile, you can >work around it by changing some things in the Terminal page of the Dialer >entry notebook: > > 1. Set the screen colors explicitly. Most notably, the terminal emulation > screen should be "lgray" foreground and "black" background. > > 2. Set the Character Size to 8 bits. > > 3. Set the Character Set to transparent. > > 4. Set the Screen height to 25 (yes, 25). Even though 25 is not a choice, > you can select 24 with the mouse, delete it, and type in 25. NOTE that > SCOANSI emulation does NOT have a status line. It wants to use the full > PC screen (which is normally 25 lines). > >There might still be a few glitches. I tried what you said and it works kind of right now. The problem was that I needed to set the line to 25. I still do not get any color when I start the telnet session from the k95 dialer. The color works from the dos prompt when I run telnet. Got any ideas of how I can get the colors to work from the dialer? Is there any way that I can be a bata tester? It seems that not to many people use scoani. I am on of the few people that use it everyday. Thanks Matt From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 13:55:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA18849 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02073 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:55:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dailer does not work right with SCO ANSI Date: 19 Jul 1996 17:54:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4soi5h$fbg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4snu64$e93@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com> <4so4ik$7oo@dfw-ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> <4so6o6$ap4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4sodnk$e3d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sodnk$e3d@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com>, Zorin wrote: : > 1. Set the screen colors explicitly. Most notably, the terminal emulation : > screen should be "lgray" foreground and "black" background. : > 2. Set the Character Size to 8 bits. : > 3. Set the Character Set to transparent. : > 4. Set the Screen height to 25 (yes, 25). Even though 25 is not a choice, : > you can select 24 with the mouse, delete it, and type in 25. NOTE that : > SCOANSI emulation does NOT have a status line. It wants to use the full : > PC screen (which is normally 25 lines). : : I tried what you said and it works kind of right now. The problem was that : I needed to set the line to 25. I still do not get any color when I start : the telnet session from the k95 dialer. The color works from the dos prompt : when I run telnet. Got any ideas of how I can get the colors to work from : the dialer? : Step 4 above is the crucial step. Note: all four of these steps apply to the Terminal notebook page in the Dialer entry. You should get colors if you do this. But note that the normal color SCOANSI is white (light gray) on black, and there is no status line because the host wants to control the 25th line. So unless and until the host sends some coloration escape sequences you won't see any color. Quick test: Alt-h to get the popup Help screen. If should be white on cyan (unless you changed it). By the way, you might be wondering what on earth the number of lines has to do with whether colors work or not. It's because of a bug in Windows 95 (not NT). If you try to write attributes (such as color) into a console window size that is not 25, 43, or 50 lines long and 80 columns wide, you get an invalid page fault in the Window 95 kernel. So Kermit 95, when running in Windows 95 (not NT) turns off attributes when the screen is not one of those sizes. This is described in the BUGS.DOC file, item 2. The problem you are witnessing comes because SCOANSI, unlike regular ANSI, actually WANTS to use 25 lines, so we have some confusion (our fault) about what "24" meaning "25" (when you include the status line) and really meaning "24" (when you don't). : Is there any way that I can be a bata tester? It seems that not to many : people use scoani. I am on of the few people that use it everyday. : We'll get in touch with you about this; thanks for the offer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 18:35:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29712 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06504 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 dialer/serial via phone system to DECserver Message-ID: <1996Jul19.143600.143931@forest> Date: 19 Jul 96 14:36:00 EST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 21 We have a digital phone system that does 9600bps communications through an interface connected to the computer via a serial cable. I'm in the process of trying to figure out how we'd use Windows 95 with this (we've got a purchase order for an academic site license "in the channel"), but I'm running into a few snags. 1) The dialer *really* wants a phone number. That doesn't work here, since it isn't a "real" modem. You hit two buttons on the phone and it acts like a direct connection to a DECserver 2) I've tried "set modem none," but it generates an area when it tries to "dial," and then it won't go into CONNECT mode. I've tried using a script file to just throw it into connect mode, but it looks like the script won't run because the dial failed. Any suggestions? We really need to be able to use the dialer, since we have another system some folks connect to via the phone system with *very* different terminal settings, and we're in the process of networking the campus and don't want to have to re-train everyone twice. (Once to switch to K95, once to learn the "dialer" once their office is networked). From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 18:35:35 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA29731 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA06507 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!inXS.uu.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK to K95 script string question (with \) Message-ID: <1996Jul19.144659.143932@forest> Date: 19 Jul 96 14:46:59 EST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 25 I'm trying to convert some old MS-Kermit scripts over to K95. We've got a system where you hit a key, it tells the remote system to send a macro file, Kermit runs the macro, and part of that macro prompts you for a destination filename, and then goes and gets the mail message (We have it tied into DEC's all-in-1 software) and puts it where you told it to. So, you'd be asked to enter, say C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT. Works with MS-Kermit (I didn't write the original script, by the way). It will work with K95 -- if you use / or \\ as the directory indicators. (And I can understand why). The problem is that my boss doesn't want us to have to retrain everyone for a special case. (We have a similar problem with the "upload a message" feature we did as well). The macro is doing: ask \%N {Filename for your computer or END:} it then checks to see if it equals end or if the file already exists. Is there any way I could re-format the string to add the second slash at each occurance in the user string? My instinct is to say "no," since I suspect that the single \ is treated as a special character and I can't look for it. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 19:51:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA07015 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA07688 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 19:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 96 18:49:42 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Lines: 9 Message-ID: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. Mike -- The Bujold Nexus at http://www.herald.co.uk/~dendarii/ for lovers of SF and the work of Lois McMaster Bujold From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 19 20:15:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA08521 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08077 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 20:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 20 Jul 1996 00:14:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 20 07:50:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA15588 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!news.dorsai.org!not-for-mail From: vjp2@dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Greek CP869 ELOT928 Date: 20 Jul 1996 03:33:51 -0400 Organization: Samani Marions Panyaught NYC 11357-3436-287 USA Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: amanda.dorsai.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] SET FILE CHAR CP869 won't work on my MS-Kermit.. am I missing something? Is this what I need to use to read ELOT-928 web pages with Lynx? I can use it only for Kermit without making DOS-wide changes, right? -- Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC Bach-Mozart ReaganQuayleGramm Evrytano-Kastorian Cit:MarquisWhWFinanc&Indus [vjp2@mcimail.com , vjp2@CIS.CompuServe.Com, vjp2@dorsai.org] ---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. Everything fully disclaimed.}--- From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 20 23:24:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA18187 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA25266 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 23:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!zdc!zippo!news From: cksam@macau.ctm.net (SAM, Chi-Kin) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Free Communication Software Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 06:24:02 GMT Organization: Tecnologia Electronica Hermes Lines: 25 Message-ID: <31f07b68.1913641@news.zippo.com> References: <4si5dt$r84@news.asiaonline.net> <4sitj8$j03@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com> <4so1fq$8m0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.174.0.116 X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:92900 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5611 On 19 Jul 1996 13:10:18 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <31eeab46.378927@news.zippo.com>, >SAM, Chi-Kin wrote: >: MS-Kermit does not display the Chinese Characters correctly in a >: DOS Window in Chinese Windows 3.11 (Big5 coding). the two-byte >: 8-bit characters are displayed a single-bye 8-bit charcters. But >: MS-Kermit does display Chinese Character correctly in DOS Window >: under Windows for Workgroup 3.11 with a CJK characters add-on >: (Unionway Double Byte Manager 4.0.). >: >In Chinese Windows 3.11, did you tell Kermit to: > > set parity none > set terminal bytesize 8 > set terminal character-set transparent > >- Frank Yes, I just double checked it, my default settings are just as what you recommanded. --SAM From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 01:29:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA27179 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA27529 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 01:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!aranders From: aranders@iastate.edu (Arthur R Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dial script for Telepath II v modem Date: 21 Jul 1996 04:08:19 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa USA Lines: 6 Sender: aranders@iastate.edu Message-ID: <4ssafj$5kn@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isum1.iastate.edu Keywords: Telepath II v -- Arthur R Anderson aranders@iastate.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 06:38:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA05406 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 06:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA21771 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 06:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inXS.uu.net!news.intergate.net!keystone.intergate.net!pdw From: pdw@keystone.intergate.net (Paul D. Wilson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PPP in DOS Date: 21 Jul 1996 06:48:18 GMT Organization: none Lines: 41 Message-ID: <4ssjri$1f9@cornerstone.intergate.net> References: <4s5464$au3@amanda.dorsai.org> <31e97873.15030061@news.zippo.com> <1996Jul15.161427.82815@cc.usu.edu> <31ec9f1b.808770@news.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: intergate.net > >From the above experiments, it suggests something has be changed >when the MS-Kermit is loaded and then be unloaded. It make me can >not switch to NCSA if I run MS-kermit first. Since EtherPPP work >with MS-kermit in your lab, so it may be caused by something in >my particular software and hardware combination. It looks it is >my time to give up my try to make PPP work in my PC once again. > > --SAM > I was using EtherPPP with MS-Kermit last year and it worked quite well. I had a problem similar to what you describe when I tried to load programs that were written for SLIP packet drivers over the EtherPPP driver. Specifically, the version of NCSA telnet that was not modified for EtherPPP consistantly altered the memory image of the EtherPPP driver. Also DosLynx and a couple other DOS packet driver apps caused the same problem. MS-Kermit, however, worked very well once I got the setup. Here is a copy of the TCP settings I was using in the .ini file: set TCP gateway 165.113.169.131 ; ip of gateway set TCP primary-nameserver 165.113.169.5 ;ip of DNS set TCP subnet 255.255.255.0 set TCP broadcast 255.255.255.255 set TCP domain ldl.net ;host domain name set port TCP/IP dns.ldl.net ; host name set TCP address RARP ; ip address acquisition method Hope this helps. -pd -- =----------------------------------------------------------= pd wilson pdw@intergate.net http://www.intergate.net/uhtml/pdw/ =----------------------------------------------------------= From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 10:28:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16209 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25776 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK to K95 script string question (with \) Date: 21 Jul 1996 14:28:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 74 Message-ID: <4steq9$cs5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul19.144659.143932@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul19.144659.143932@forest>, Paul Coen wrote: : I'm trying to convert some old MS-Kermit scripts over to K95. We've got : a system where you hit a key, it tells the remote system to send a macro : file, Kermit runs the macro, and part of that macro prompts you for : a destination filename, and then goes and gets the mail message (We have it : tied into DEC's all-in-1 software) and puts it where you told it to. : : So, you'd be asked to enter, say C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT. : : Works with MS-Kermit (I didn't write the original script, by the way). : : It will work with K95 -- if you use / or \\ as the directory indicators. : (And I can understand why). The problem is that my boss doesn't want us : to have to retrain everyone for a special case. (We have a similar : problem with the "upload a message" feature we did as well). : : The macro is doing: : : ask \%N {Filename for your computer or END:} : : it then checks to see if it equals end or if the file already exists. : : Is there any way I could re-format the string to add the second slash : at each occurance in the user string? My instinct is to say "no," since : I suspect that the single \ is treated as a special character and I can't : look for it. : Diagnosis correct. The fact that the Kermit script language's distinguished character, backslash, is the same as the directory separator in DOS, Windows, OS/2, etc, can be a headache. The ASK command doesn't do anything to the characters that the user types, so if the user typed "C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT", that's what the variable contains. The problem occurs when you *use* the variable. Whenever you refer to a variable, it is evaluated recursively, which USUALLY produces the desired effect. For example: define \%a some define \%b thing define \%c \%a\%b echo \%c displays "something" rather than "\%a\%b". If the variable is a DOS filename containing backslashes, the same thing happens, with the results depending on the character that follows each backslash. The trick is to tell your script to replace the variable by its literal definition, rather than evaluating it recursively. That is, the evaluation should go only one level deep. The method for doing this depends on which type of variable it is. If it's a "backslash" variable, like \%N, \%F[3], etc, then use: \fcontents(variable-name) For example: def \%f while not def \%f { ask \%f { Filename: } } echo The filename is \fcontents(\%f). send \fcontents(\%f) If it is a "long filename", do it this way: def filename while not def filename { ask filename { Filename: } } echo The filename is \m(filename). send \m(filename) You can find lots of examples of how to deal with DOS filenames in the HOSTMODE.KSC script in the Kermit 95 SCRIPTS directory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 10:54:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA19873 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26293 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 10:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek CP869 ELOT928 Date: 21 Jul 1996 14:53:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4stg9j$dap@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos wrote: : SET FILE CHAR CP869 won't work on my MS-Kermit.. am I missing something? : Is this what I need to use to read ELOT-928 web pages with Lynx? : CP869 is the "new" Greek code page, superseding the old one, CP851. You'll need to load a Greek code page into your PC. The first thing you will notice is that Microsoft does not include a Greek code page with US versions of DOS or Windows, so you'll need to get a Greek "font" from the kermit/pcfonts directory at kermit.columbia.edu (credit: these fonts originated at the Technion in Israel; see docs for details of credit and installation instructions). Then load the Greek font. Our font collection presently includes CP851, but not CP869. If by happy coincidence the ELOT-928 Web pages are encoded in CP851, just tell MS-DOS Kermit to: set term bytesize 8 set term character-set transparent If, however, they are encoded in ISO Latin/Greek, DEC Greek, CP869, or some other character set, it would require the program to be changed to add Greek terminal emulation, which is as yet not built into MS-DOS Kermit. In that case, however, you can construct your own character-set translation map using: SET ; One of these for each character SET TRANSLATE INPUT ON as well as a series of SET KEY commands to set up the desired key map for entering Greek letters. If anybody wants to do this, feel free -- and if you want to contribute it for inclusion with MS-DOS Kermit, all the better. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 11:09:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21235 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA26738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:09:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Greek CP869 ELOT928 Date: 21 Jul 1996 15:09:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 247 Message-ID: <4sth75$djk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sq24v$26p@amanda.dorsai.org>, Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA wrote: : SET FILE CHAR CP869 won't work on my MS-Kermit.. am I missing something? : Is this what I need to use to read ELOT-928 web pages with Lynx? : I can use it only for Kermit without making DOS-wide changes, right? : Just after sending off my last reply I remembered some correspondence from last year with Ioannis Papadopoulos in Greece on this same subject. He offered the following information: 1. CP437 and CP850 code pages are being modified in Greece. The older machines have their orignal character set generator IC's replaced and the newer machines have special drivers to support greek characters. These modifications are made by dealers, in Greece. 2. The Hewlett Packard unix machine uses another standard, called ELOT-928 (ELOT is an acronym and means Greek Standards Organization) that is "trying" to become a standard not only in Greece but worldwide (as far as greek characters are concerned). And he offered the following translation table and keymap for accessing ELOT-928 applications. However, I don't know what the local code page is, or how it got there (see #1 above). ---(cut here)--- set terminal character ascii ; Use ascii terminal character set set parity none ; no parity set display 8 ; in the 8-bit environment set terminal vt320 ; Emulate DEC VT320 set terminal wrap on ; Tell Kermit to do line wrap set terminal controls 8-bit ; 8-bit terminal set flo xon/xoff set key \270 \127 ; Backspace sends Delete ;*********************************************** ; The characters received by the PC (from HP-UX) ;*********************************************** set translation input \176 \248 ; 0 set translation input \177 \241 ; 1 set translation input \178 \253 ; 2 set translation input \182 \234 ; uppercase alpha with accent set translation input \183 \249 ; 7 set translation input \184 \235 ; uppercase epsilon with accent set translation input \185 \236 ; uppercase eta with accent set translation input \186 \237 ; uppercase iota with accent set translation input \188 \238 ; uppercase omicron with accent set translation input \190 \239 ; uppercase upsilon with accent set translation input \191 \240 ; uppercase omega with accent set translation input \193 \128 ; uppercase alpha set translation input \194 \129 ; uppercase beta set translation input \195 \130 ; uppercase gamma set translation input \196 \131 ; uppercase delta set translation input \197 \132 ; uppercase epsilon set translation input \198 \133 ; uppercase zeta set translation input \199 \134 ; uppercase eta set translation input \200 \135 ; uppercase theta set translation input \201 \136 ; uppercase iota set translation input \202 \137 ; uppercase kappa set translation input \203 \138 ; uppercase lambda set translation input \204 \139 ; uppercase mu set translation input \205 \140 ; uppercase nu set translation input \206 \141 ; uppercase ksi set translation input \207 \142 ; uppercase omicron set translation input \208 \143 ; uppercase pi set translation input \209 \144 ; uppercase rho set translation input \211 \145 ; uppercase sigma set translation input \212 \146 ; uppercase tau set translation input \213 \147 ; uppercase upsilon set translation input \214 \148 ; uppercase fi set translation input \215 \149 ; uppercase chi set translation input \216 \150 ; uppercase psi set translation input \217 \151 ; uppercase omega set translation input \220 \225 ; lowercase alpha with accent set translation input \221 \226 ; lowercase epsilon with accent set translation input \222 \227 ; lowercase eta with accent set translation input \223 \229 ; lowercase iota with accent set translation input \225 \152 ; lowercase alpha set translation input \226 \153 ; lowercase beta set translation input \227 \154 ; lowercase gamma set translation input \228 \155 ; lowercase delta set translation input \229 \156 ; lowercase epsilon set translation input \230 \157 ; lowercase zeta set translation input \231 \158 ; lowercase eta set translation input \232 \159 ; lowercase theta set translation input \233 \160 ; lowercase iota set translation input \234 \161 ; lowercase kappa set translation input \235 \162 ; lowercase lambda set translation input \236 \163 ; lowercase mu set translation input \237 \164 ; lowercase nu set translation input \238 \165 ; lowercase ksi set translation input \239 \166 ; lowercase omicron set translation input \240 \167 ; lowercase pi set translation input \241 \168 ; lowercase rho set translation input \242 \170 ; lowercase sigma at end of words set translation input \243 \169 ; lowercase sigma set translation input \244 \171 ; lowercase tau set translation input \245 \172 ; lowercase upsilon set translation input \246 \173 ; lowercase fi set translation input \247 \174 ; lowercase chi set translation input \248 \175 ; lowercase psi set translation input \249 \224 ; lowercase omega set translation input \250 \228 ; lowercase iota with diaeresis set translation input \251 \232 ; lowercase upsilon with diaeresis set translation input \252 \230 ; lowercase omicron with accent set translation input \253 \231 ; lowercase upsilon with accent set translation input \254 \233 ; lowercase omega with accent set translation input on ;************************************************** ; The characters transmitted from the PC (to HP-UX) ;************************************************** set key \248 \176 ; 0 set key \241 \177 ; 1 set key \253 \178 ; 2 set key \234 \182 ; uppercase alpha with accent set key \249 \183 ; 7 set key \235 \184 ; uppercase epsilon with accent set key \236 \185 ; uppercase eta with accent set key \237 \186 ; uppercase iota with accent set key \238 \188 ; uppercase omicron with accent set key \239 \190 ; uppercase upsilon with accent set key \240 \191 ; uppercase omega with accent set key \128 \193 ; uppercase alpha set key \129 \194 ; uppercase beta set key \130 \195 ; uppercase gamma set key \131 \196 ; uppercase delta set key \132 \197 ; uppercase epsilon set key \133 \198 ; uppercase zeta set key \134 \199 ; uppercase eta set key \135 \200 ; uppercase theta set key \136 \201 ; uppercase iota set key \137 \202 ; uppercase kappa set key \138 \203 ; uppercase lambda set key \139 \204 ; uppercase mu set key \140 \205 ; uppercase nu set key \141 \206 ; uppercase ksi set key \142 \207 ; uppercase omicron set key \143 \208 ; uppercase pi set key \144 \209 ; uppercase rho set key \145 \211 ; uppercase sigma set key \146 \212 ; uppercase tau set key \147 \213 ; uppercase upsilon set key \148 \214 ; uppercase fi set key \149 \215 ; uppercase chi set key \150 \216 ; uppercase psi set key \151 \217 ; uppercase omega set key \225 \220 ; lowercase alpha with accent set key \226 \221 ; lowercase epsilon with accent set key \227 \222 ; lowercase eta with accent set key \229 \223 ; lowercase iota with accent set key \152 \225 ; lowercase alpha set key \153 \226 ; lowercase beta set key \154 \227 ; lowercase gamma set key \155 \228 ; lowercase delta set key \156 \229 ; lowercase epsilon set key \157 \230 ; lowercase zeta set key \158 \231 ; lowercase eta set key \159 \232 ; lowercase theta set key \160 \233 ; lowercase iota set key \161 \234 ; lowercase kappa set key \162 \235 ; lowercase lambda set key \163 \236 ; lowercase mu set key \164 \237 ; lowercase nu set key \165 \238 ; lowercase ksi set key \166 \239 ; lowercase omicron set key \167 \240 ; lowercase pi set key \168 \241 ; lowercase rho set key \170 \242 ; lowercase sigma at end of words set key \169 \243 ; lowercase sigma set key \171 \244 ; lowercase tau set key \172 \245 ; lowercase upsilon set key \173 \246 ; lowercase fi set key \174 \247 ; lowercase chi set key \175 \248 ; lowercase psi set key \224 \249 ; lowercase omega set key \228 \250 ; lowercase iota with diaeresis set key \232 \251 ; lowercase upsilon with diaeresis set key \230 \252 ; lowercase omicron with accent set key \231 \253 ; lowercase upsilon with accent set key \233 \254 ; lowercase omega with accent ;************************************ ; Special Keys and Keypad Definitions ;************************************ set key \315 \kholdscrn ; F1 set key \316 \kprtscn ; F2 set key \317 ; F3 no translation (set-up on vt320) set key \318 ; F4 no translation (disabled on vt320) set key \319 \kbreak ; F5 set key \320 \kdecf6 ; F6 set key \321 \kdecf7 ; F7 set key \322 \kdecf8 ; F8 set key \323 \kdecf9 ; F9 set key \324 \kdecf10 ; F10 set key \389 ; F11 no translation set key \390 \kexit ; F12 exit from connect mode set key \852 \kdecf11 ; sF1 set key \853 \kdecf12 ; sF2 set key \854 \kdecf13 ; sF3 set key \855 \kdecf14 ; sF4 set key \856 \kdechelp ; sF5 set key \857 \kdecdo ; sF6 set key \858 \kdecf17 ; sF7 set key \859 \kdecf18 ; sF8 set key \860 \kdecf19 ; sF9 set key \861 \kdecf20 ; sF10 set key \903 ; sF11 no translation set key \904 ; sF12 no translation set key \1374 \kpf1 ; cF1 set key \1375 \kpf2 ; cF2 set key \1376 \kpf3 ; cF3 set key \1377 \kpf4 ; cF4 set key \1378 ; cF5 no translation set key \1379 ; cF6 no translation set key \1380 ; cF7 no translation set key \1381 ; cF8 no translation set key \1382 ; cF9 no translation set key \1383 ; cF10 no translation set key \1417 ; cF11 no translation set key \1418 ; cF12 no translation set key \2408 ; aF1 no translation set key \2409 ; aF2 no translation set key \2410 ; aF3 no translation set key \2411 ; aF4 no translation set key \2412 ; aF5 no translation set key \2413 ; aF6 no translation set key \2414 ; aF7 no translation set key \2415 ; aF8 no translation set key \2416 ; aF9 no translation set key \2417 ; aF10 no translation set key \2443 ; aF11 no translation set key \2444 ; aF12 no translation set key \4435 \kdecremove ; DELETE set key \4431 \kdecselect ; END set key \4433 \kdecnext ; PGDOWN set key \4434 \kdecinsert ; INSERT set key \4423 \kdecfind ; HOME set key \4425 \kdecprev ; PGUP set key \4424 \kuparr ; Up Arrow set key \4432 \kdnarr ; Down Arrow set key \4427 \klfarr ; Left Arrow set key \4429 \krtarr ; Right Arrow set key \330 \45 ; Grey - SET translation KEYBOARD ON connect ; (End) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 13:09:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA04337 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 dialer/serial via phone system to DECserver Date: 21 Jul 1996 17:08:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4sto72$fr2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul19.143600.143931@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul19.143600.143931@forest>, Paul Coen wrote: : We have a digital phone system that does 9600bps communications through : an interface connected to the computer via a serial cable. : : I'm in the process of trying to figure out how we'd use Windows 95 with : this (we've got a purchase order for an academic site license "in the : channel"), but I'm running into a few snags. : : 1) The dialer *really* wants a phone number. That doesn't work here, since : it isn't a "real" modem. You hit two buttons on the phone and it acts : like a direct connection to a DECserver : : 2) I've tried "set modem none," but it generates an area when it tries to : "dial," and then it won't go into CONNECT mode. I've tried using a script : file to just throw it into connect mode, but it looks like the script : won't run because the dial failed. : The problem is, as you noticed, that even if you choose a modem type of NONE, the Dialer still issues a DIAL command, which (of course) fails because there is no modem. : Any suggestions? We really need to be able to use the dialer, since we : have another system some folks connect to via the phone system with *very* : different terminal settings, and we're in the process of networking the : campus and don't want to have to re-train everyone twice. (Once to switch : to K95, once to learn the "dialer" once their office is networked). : Indeed. The K95 Dialer is an excellent way to shield users from differences in connection methods and host settings, so if it had a graphical selection for non-dialed serial connections, it would be the perfect solution at your site. Until now, nobody has requested this feature so we haven't bothered with it. OK, so now we will. Look for it in the next patch. Thanks for the report! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 13:20:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05250 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28820 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dial script for Telepath II v modem Date: 21 Jul 1996 17:19:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 167 Message-ID: <4storf$g00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ssafj$5kn@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Telepath II v Try this and let me know if it works OK: ---(cut here)--- ; FILE TELEPATH.SCR ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the Hayes Gateway Telepath II ; modem, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later. The modem is set up for ; compression, error correction, all types of fallback, RTS/CTS flow control, ; fixed interface speed of 38400, which is the highest support by this modem. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz; Columbia U, July 1996 ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} if eq "\v(system)" "UNIX" if = \v(local) 0 stop 1 You must SET LINE first define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 define max_speed 57600 ; Maximum interface speed ; Macro to try to get attention of modem's command processor ; at the given speed, or if no speed given, at the current speed. ; Q0 = Enable result codes, V1 = display result codes as words. ; define atok - if def \%1 set speed \%1, - echo Trying \%1..., - output ATQ0V1\13, - input 3 OK, - if success goto gotok set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR pause 1 ; for one second echo Configuring Hayes ULTRA 144 on \v(line). atok ; Try to connect at current speed, whatever it is. atok 9600 ; If that didn't work, try to connect at 9600. atok 19200 ; 19200... atok 2400 ; 2400... atok 19200 ; 19200... atok 38400 ; 38400... stop 1 Can't get modem's attention :GOTOK ; ; Now change interface speed to the maximum ; echo Locking interface speed at \m(max_speed)... output ATS87=28\13 chkok {Can't set modem's speed to \m(max_speed)} set speed \m(max_speed) ; Try 3 times to get OK response to AT command at new speed. ; set count 3 :LOOP pause output AT\13 input 3 OK if success goto ok if count goto loop Stop 1 Can't communicate with modem at \m(max_speed) :OK ; Initialize the modem. output AT Q0X4&N0&Y1#CLS=0S13=0S15=0S19\13 chkok {Can't initialize modem} ; Enable hardware flow control ; echo Enabling hardware flow control... output AT&H1&R2\13 ; Enable RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail errfail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now echo Enabling error correction and data compression... output AT&M4&B1&K1\13 chkok {Can't enable compression and EC} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN ; ; User only wanted to initialize the modem. ; Display configuration. ; echo Telepath initialized OK. :BEGIN ; ; User wants to dial. ; clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer, please try again later} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} reinput 1 RING ; Phone is ringing if success errfail {Somebody is calling this number} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define max_speed end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... define max_speed end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of TELEPATH.SCR From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 14:49:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA15364 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA00114 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Available for Testing Date: 21 Jul 1996 18:49:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-ID: <4stu40$hgu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:21 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5619 This is to announce a testing period for MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 for DOS and Windows 3.x, by Professor Joe R. Doupnik of the Center for Atmospheric and Space Sciences and the Department of Electrical Engineering of Utah State University in Logan, Utah. The highlights of the new release include: . Autodownload and Autoupload during terminal emulation . Improvements in the internal TCP/IP protocol stack . Numerous additions to the script programming language . File transfer improvements . Ability to use PC Extended memory (as well as Expanded) . Latin-2 Compose key . Bug fixes The new version should fix the TCP/IP ARPing and Keepalive problems that have been reported with increasing frequency. Script programming improvements bring increased compatibility with C-Kermit: . Arithmetic . Arrays . FOR and WHILE loops . IF-ELSE and XIF-ELSE . MINPUT (INPUT search for multiple strings) . Most of the same built-in functions and variables as C-Kermit 6.0 (now in Beta) Plus the new ability to set environment variables in the master environment. This test version of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15, dated 16 July 1996, is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, file msk315.zip. The ZIP file includes the MSK315.EXE executable and a short text file, MSK315.DOC, describing the new features. You can download this file into your regular MS-DOS Kermit directory and unzip it. To use it, just "msk315" instead of "kermit". It will use all your same initialization files. Thanks to Joe for his hard work on this new release! Please send test reports to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 18:20:14 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA07875 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03421 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!inXS.uu.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 21 Jul 1996 03:41:47 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4sr7h3$sc2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, : Michael Bernardi wrote: : : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come : : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. : : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do : : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. : Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? I'd like to know if it's possible in DOS, with or without LAN Workplace for DOS as some users would like to connect to non-local bbs's by ISP's that only provide PPP access (no shell access) and whose computers can't support MS-Windows-based TCP/IP applications. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 18:28:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA08452 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA03479 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 21 Jul 1996 22:27:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4suat0$li8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4sr7h3$sc2@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4sr7h3$sc2@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : I'd like to know if it's possible in DOS, with or without LAN Workplace for : DOS as some users would like to connect to non-local bbs's by ISP's that : only provide PPP access (no shell access) and whose computers can't support : MS-Windows-based TCP/IP applications. : It's possible using MS-DOS Kermit's built-in TCP/IP stack on a PPP connection if you can find a PPP driver that is compatible. At the present moment, we still do not have one that we can recommend with a clear conscience. Some people report success with a particular driver while others report failure, for many different drivers and versions thereof. If you go through the archives of this newsgroup from the past month or two, you'll see conflicting reports. When we have a clear answer to this question, we won't keep it secret :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 19:38:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA17116 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04616 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!nntp.coast.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 96 22:08:31 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Lines: 19 Message-ID: <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk In article <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Jeffrey Altman" writes: > In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, > Michael Bernardi wrote: > : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come > : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. > : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do > : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. > > Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? Yes :-) ie the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 version has been out of beta for some time. Mike -- The Bujold Nexus at http://www.herald.co.uk/~dendarii/ for lovers of SF and the work of Lois McMaster Bujold From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 21 21:39:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA27596 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06505 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 21:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: 22 Jul 1996 01:39:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4sum47$p0r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: : In article <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Jeffrey Altman" writes: : : > In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, : > Michael Bernardi wrote: : > : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come : > : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. : > : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do : > : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. : > : > Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? : Yes :-) ie the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 : version has been out of beta for some time. Let's refine the question: Are you trying to run this under Windows 3.1 or are you attempting to run MSK on raw DOS. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 01:20:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA15414 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA10387 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mira.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.uwa.edu.au!yarrow.wt.com.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au!not-for-mail From: cmitchel@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au (Clive Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 1.1.6 dialer questions Date: 22 Jul 1996 11:36:05 +0800 Organization: Telstra Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4susv5$nnj@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] 2 questions concerning the K95 dialer 1.1.6. I upgraded to 1.1.6 by reinstalling 1.1.0 and using the wi110-6 patch. Is there any way to get the dialer to keep the size and position I give between sessions? Everytime I restart it it reverts back to the default size. When I minimise the dialer now I get an icon ala Win31 instead of it disappearing into the task bar as it used to. Am I doing something wrong? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 09:32:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA03840 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07071 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Message-ID: <1996Jul22.031916.83060@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Jul 96 03:19:16 MDT References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 In article <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi writes: > In article <4sp8e1$pc4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Jeffrey Altman" writes: > >> In article <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, >> Michael Bernardi wrote: >> : I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come >> : out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. >> : It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do >> : something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. >> >> Are you referring to the new 32 Bit Client for Windows or for DOS? > Yes :-) ie the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 > version has been out of beta for some time. > > Mike ------------- MS-DOS Kermit works fine with Novell's Client32 for DOS/Win31. One needs to load lsl and pdoseth after the main Client32 components. That's the way a 16-bit real mode ODI interface is offered. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 10:55:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13911 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA08615 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 1.1.6 dialer questions Date: 22 Jul 1996 14:55:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4t04p7$ruc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4susv5$nnj@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4susv5$nnj@nodecg.ncc.telecomwa.oz.au>, Clive Mitchell wrote: : 2 questions concerning the K95 dialer 1.1.6. I upgraded to 1.1.6 by : reinstalling 1.1.0 and using the wi110-6 patch. : Is there any way to get the dialer to keep the size and position I : give between sessions? Everytime I restart it it reverts back to : the default size. : No, sorry. : When I minimise the dialer now I get an icon ala Win31 instead of : it disappearing into the task bar as it used to. Am I doing something : wrong? : No. This is a "new feature" of our GUI development system. Evidently it is the price we pay for having the "ugly blotches" fixed and the new Windows-95 3D look. Items such as these will be addressed in the forthcoming all-GUI version. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:17:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12744 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15593 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!newsfeed.acns.nwu.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news From: Dennis Director Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Clear the screen in kermit script ?? Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 15:09:40 -0700 Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL, US Lines: 9 Message-ID: <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ithink.park.nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.2.13 i486) I am using K-95 and trying to make a nice menu. I have set VT-100 mode, and I am trying to use VT-100 escape sequences to clear the screen. But while the script is running, before the connect, kermit isn't in VT-100 mode, so the escape sequence doesn't work. Can only the host send VT-100 sequences?? Am I missing something? Thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:34:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA16229 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15836 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Clear the screen in kermit script ?? Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:34:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <4t0s4a$85n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com>, Dennis Director wrote: : I am using K-95 and trying to make a nice menu. : I have set VT-100 mode, and I am trying to use VT-100 : escape sequences to clear the screen. But while the script : is running, before the connect, kermit isn't in VT-100 mode, : so the escape sequence doesn't work. : : Can only the host send VT-100 sequences?? : Yes. : Am I missing something? : No. Unlike the console windows in DOS or OS/2, the Windows 95 console windows does not respond to escape sequences. There is no ANSI.SYS. (Some reports indicate that you can actually load the old DOS ANSI.SYS, but do this at your own risk.) In a future release of Kermit 95, we'll add functions to let you format the command screen nicely. For the present you are limited to CLS. However, there's still quite a lot you can do with just CLS. See, for example, HOSTMODE.KSC in your SCRIPTS subdirectory. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:42:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA17150 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15965 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!netnews.worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Steve Proctor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit question. Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:27:16 -0500 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 4 Message-ID: <31F3F234.387E@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 26.dallas-2.tx.dial-access.att.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01E (Win95; I) I need to use kermit Sco Unix <-> Windows 95 Does anybody know where I can download a (preferably pre-compiled) version of kermit along with instructions on how to use it? From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 17:54:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18504 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA16104 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 17:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Clear the screen in kermit script ?? Date: 22 Jul 1996 21:54:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4t0tag$8gn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com> <4t0s4a$85n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t0s4a$85n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <31F3FC24.7BC22FFB@inner-solutions.com>, : Dennis Director wrote: : In a future release of Kermit 95, we'll add functions to let you format : the command screen nicely. For the present you are limited to CLS. : : However, there's still quite a lot you can do with just CLS. See, for : example, HOSTMODE.KSC in your SCRIPTS subdirectory. CLEAR COMMAND-SCREEN { BOS, EOS, BOL, EOL, LINE } b == Beginning o == of s == Screen l == line Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95 : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 18:13:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20510 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA16718 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 18:12:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit question. Date: 22 Jul 1996 22:12:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4t0ucn$8tt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31F3F234.387E@worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31F3F234.387E@worldnet.att.net>, Steve Proctor wrote: : I need to use kermit Sco Unix <-> Windows 95 : : Does anybody know where I can download a (preferably pre-compiled) : version of kermit along with instructions on how to use it? : I have good news and bad news. The good news is that Kermit 95 1.1.5 and later offers SCO ANSI emulation, perfect for use with SCO UNIX, ODT, or Open Server (or, for that matter, Linux). It is a Telnet client, an rlogin client, and a serial communications program for both Windows 95 and NT. The bad news is, you can't download it -- you have to purchase it. Find complete information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html You can, however, download the SCO version of C-Kermit, even a precompiled version. More info at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/unix.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 22 20:28:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA05432 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA18875 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 20:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!usc!not-for-mail From: carmstro@castor.usc.edu (Craig M. Armstrong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: Windows 3.1 Kermit server? Date: 22 Jul 1996 17:23:20 -0700 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA Lines: 7 Sender: carmstro@castor.usc.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: castor.usc.edu Are there any Windows 3.1 comm programs that respond to the Kermit "remote dir" command? Please email replies, Craig From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 00:41:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13742 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!world!weiner From: weiner@world.std.com (Sam Weiner) Subject: Re: Script writing Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 02:57:59 GMT Lines: 15 In article <4s3ejv$vl0@trellis.wwnet.com>, wrote: >Greetings: > >How easy is it to augment existing modem scripts to work with newer >modems? I have a AT&T compatible PCMCIA modem and have tried to >adjust the dataport.scr (which is suppose to be AT& T compatible) that >comes with Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS with little success. Any help >available here? > One thing to watch out for: the dataport.scr (as I recall without taking another look) is for the original AT&T Dataport line. They later came out with the "Express" line of modems which is a different animal all together. They use a totally different chipset. Sam From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 00:42:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA13774 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA05875 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 00:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!rain.fr!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-9.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 03:11:03 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Hi - I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation (SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET TERMINAL CONTROL 8) and set 8-bit character size on the remote system. This is particularly noticable in line-editing, where the text looks completely messed up, even though all the functions seem to work fine. (In other words, K-95 is sending 7 or 8-bit escape sequences fine; the problem is interpreting received 8-bit escape sequences.) I also tried SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 in K95, which seems to have no effect. (Is this a CKermit command inherited by K95? It doesn't seem to make much sense in K95, since it is supposed to affect the transfer of characters between Kermit and the user's terminal.) The remote system is a PDP-11 running RSTS/E V10.1 accessed through a DECserver-700 terminal server. VAXes and Alpha's running VMS V7.0 accessed through the same terminal server work fine. I think this is because VMS always sends 7-bit sequences, no matter what the terminal character size setting is. By setting the character size to 7 bits on the RSTS/E system, the system seems to send 7-bit (i.e. ]...) sequences, which Kermit-95 handles fine, but this forces using 7-bit transfers in Kermit, which is much slower. John Santos From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 04:16:49 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA28552 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA09673 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 04:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ixnews1.ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Kermit Batch/interactive Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 05:34:53 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: jefe@netcom16.netcom.com I'm setting up an automated batch file where kermit sets the port, dials the number retrieves some files etc. etc., then goes interactive. What I need to know is can the host send the escape sequence (ctrl-]-c) drop kermit out of interactive mode and continue batch processing, or, just get out- whichever. Is this possible? I've scoured the docs a little bit, but I can't find anything really specific on this. I'd appreciate any help, thanks in advance... Paul -- ****************************************************************************** Thoughts by: Pablo (tm) Free Bob Kelly... ****************************************************************************** People tend not to like one who is always right; people truly hate one who really is... .mw From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 06:55:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA18131 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 06:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA00897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 06:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!world1.bawave.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 24 Jul 1996 07:51:29 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 56 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5636 comp.dcom.modems:145412 Using C-Kermit as my commo workhorse. Compiled without any standard error at all. Seemingly, a nice clean make and install. Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my (SunOS) make looked like the following: make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when doing downloads. BTW .. ckccfg.doc is a trifle misleading on this topic .. as its example _violates_ the 8-character rule for the "DBPS" KFLAG .. which I learned about in _another_ piece of documentation packed with the UNIX archive file. Come on folks .. I _know_ you can do better than that. Hence, make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28000" give a "wermit" which does _not_ give 28 Kbps as one of its speeds when "set speed ?" is typed. But my _first_ make example _does_. The problem .. "set speed 28800" gives the following result on a _V.34_ modem ... vulcan>set speed 28800 ?Unsupported line speed - 28800 I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access 28.8 Kbps .. even though the following experiment was tried from C-Kermit's command line .. vulcan>set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/ttya in bits per second, \ one of the following: 110 1200 150 19200 200 2400 28800 300 3600 38400 4800 50 600 7200 75 75/1200 9600 Question .. WHAT GIVES ??? Nope, it's not slow serial port UARTS .. as the internal modem has 16550's _on_ _board_ .. making my serial port's UART irrelevant, even though it _is_ slow. BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. Thanks in advance .. as I would _really_ like to extract that last third of throughput from my v.34 internal modem. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 07:18:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA21911 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA01345 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 07:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!daily-planet.execpc.com!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!in2p3.fr!swidir.switch.ch!serra.unipi.it!bianchi From: bianchi@ccii.unipi.it (Federico Bianchi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: (ouch!) MS Client TCP/IP 3.0 Date: 24 Jul 1996 11:18:04 GMT Organization: Universita' di Pisa Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4t50pc$dp6@serra.unipi.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: pwaq.mecnuc.ccii.unipi.it Summary: MS Client 3.0 TCP/IP X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Is the MS/Client 3.0 TCP/IP supported or not by MS/Kermit?? It looks like one of the APIs provided by that stack is the 3COM-originated BAPI Unfortunately, I am not sure whether this is powerful enough to have MSK 3.x running as a Telnet. Please let me know, if you can. Thanks in advance for your help. Federico Bianchi bianchi@pwaq.mecnuc.ccii.unipi.it PS: if you can, please answer me by e-mail, since I am going to have some holidya. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 10:11:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11090 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04054 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.albany.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: Wed, 24 Jul 96 12:56:32 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4t56ka$pv8@decius.ultra.net> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 Whoops! I missed the "character-set" option in the dialer. It turns out the problem was I had it set for "transparent" instead of "Latin1-ISO", which is the normal character set for VT320's. It now works fine. Thanks to Jeffery Altman for figuring this out for me so quickly. In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) wrote: >Hi - > >I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be >recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with >rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is >in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation >(SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET TERMINAL CONTROL 8) >and set 8-bit character size on the remote system. > >This is particularly noticable in line-editing, where the text looks >completely messed up, even though all the functions seem to work >fine. (In other words, K-95 is sending 7 or 8-bit escape sequences fine; >the problem is interpreting received 8-bit escape sequences.) > John Santos From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 10:41:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15980 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04492 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: 24 Jul 1996 14:41:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4t5cmn$98g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, John Santos wrote: : I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be : recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with : rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is : in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation : (SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 and SET TERMINAL CONTROL 8) : and set 8-bit character size on the remote system. : This is another glitch in the Dialer, similar to the one that resulted in monochrome screens when SCOANSI emulation was selected. It will be corrected in version 1.1.7, to be announced shortly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 10:42:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA16128 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA04497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 10:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: 24 Jul 1996 14:42:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4t5cop$990@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> <4t56ka$pv8@decius.ultra.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t56ka$pv8@decius.ultra.net>, John Santos wrote: : Whoops! I missed the "character-set" option in the dialer. It turns out the : problem was I had it set for "transparent" instead of "Latin1-ISO", which is : the normal character set for VT320's. It now works fine. : Thanks to Jeffery Altman for figuring this out for me so quickly. : Right, but the Dialer should select the appropriate character set for each terminal type by default. It will in 1.1.7. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 13:03:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07202 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA06743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Batch/interactive Date: 24 Jul 1996 17:03:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4t5l0u$cj4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Pablo wrote: : I'm setting up an automated batch file where kermit sets the : port, dials the number retrieves some files etc. etc., then goes : interactive. What I need to know is can the host send the escape : sequence (ctrl-]-c) drop kermit out of interactive mode and continue : batch processing, or, just get out- whichever. Is this possible? : Presently, there does not seem to be a good way to do this. APC commands always return to terminal mode when done. The only way to get MS-DOS Kermit (or Kermit 95, etc) to return to its prompt automatically is to close the connection. If that's not an option, then you'll need to have the host application print a message telling the user to escape back. To make it easy, you could send something like this: _set key \315 \kexit\ Please press F1 to continue... If you are using C-Kermit on the host, the commands would be: apc set key \\315 \\kexit echo Please press F1 to continue... We'll look into adding a feature like this to the forthcoming release. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 13:23:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09562 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA07105 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 13:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 24 Jul 1996 17:22:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 92 Message-ID: <4t5m5c$d31@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5642 comp.dcom.modems:145438 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : Using C-Kermit as my commo workhorse. Compiled without any standard : error at all. Seemingly, a nice clean make and install. : : Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my : (SunOS) make looked like the following: : : make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" : But... SunOS does not support 28800 bps as a serial port speed. It doesn't do any good to set a compile-time speed flag if the underlying OS does not support the speed. : I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". : I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do : remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when : doing downloads. : Sounds like you forgot to tell C-Kermit (at runtime) to "set file display fullscreen"? Try that and see a more informative display. You don't need to add any flags for SunOS. You get all the supported speeds automatically, and all the curses features too. Just use the makefile entry as supplied. : BTW .. ckccfg.doc is a trifle misleading on this topic .. as its example : _violates_ the 8-character rule for the "DBPS" KFLAG .. which I learned : about in _another_ piece of documentation packed with the UNIX archive : file. Come on folks .. I _know_ you can do better than that. : : Hence, : : make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28000" : : give a "wermit" which does _not_ give 28 Kbps as one of its speeds when : "set speed ?" is typed. But my _first_ make example _does_. : That is not how the flag is spelled. It is spelled BPS_28K, and it does not violate the 8-character rule, which does not apply to the Sun (or gcc) compiler anyway. But as noted, it does no good to add the flag because SunOS does not support this speed. Ditto for 14400, 57600, 115200, and all the other ones that are not listed. Look in /usr/include/sys/ttydev.h for a list of the supported speeds, and notice that they are the same that the SunOS version of C-Kermit lists for you when you type "set speed ?". I'll add a note to this effect to the ckccfg.doc file to clarify this. : The problem .. "set speed 28800" gives the following result on a _V.34_ : modem ... : : vulcan>set speed 28800 : ?Unsupported line speed - 28800 : The message says what it means. C-Kermit told SunOS to set the speed of the port to 28800, and SunOS said "no" because it does not support that speed. : I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid : connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access : 28.8 Kbps .. even though the following experiment was tried from C-Kermit's : command line .. : : Question .. WHAT GIVES ??? : : Nope, it's not slow serial port UARTS .. as the internal modem has 16550's : _on_ _board_ .. making my serial port's UART irrelevant, even though it : _is_ slow. : : BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" : "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. : Hope that's not an RPI model... : Thanks in advance .. as I would _really_ like to extract that last third : of throughput from my v.34 internal modem. : Set the speed to 38400, which is the highest speed available in SunOS. Tell C-Kermit to "set dial speed-matching off" and "set flow rts/cts". Make sure the modem is configured for RTS/CTS (this might not work in old SunOS versions, but works fine in 4.1 -- again, it's a SunOS limitation, having nothing to do with Kermit). This topic is covered in more detail in our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt (see, especially, item 17) and of course in the manual "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 17:02:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12839 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA10897 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 17:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!epd103 Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 24 Jul 1996 15:04:56 EDT From: "Eric P. Delozier" Message-ID: <96206.150456EPD103@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit (in MS-Kermit 3.14) Lines: 20 Can anyone tell me what the following means and, if possible, how to prevent it: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit It seems to be occurring on PCs using MS-Kermit 3.14 over an ODI packet driver. Thanks for any help. --Eric -------------------------------------------- Eric P. Delozier, Senior Assistant Librarian George T. Harrell Library Milton S. Hershey Medical Center Penn State University 500 University Drive Hershey, PA 17033 mailto: epd103@psu.edu or delozier@hslc.org phone: 717-531-8989 or 717-531-8635 (fax) -------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 18:27:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24071 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12220 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: John Jesus Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Super Kermit? Date: 24 Jul 1996 18:14:54 GMT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4t5p6u$f0q@uruguay.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pool010.max1.san-francisco.ca.dynip.alter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; U; 16bit) Looking for information on Super Kermit. Can you point me somewhere? --John Jesus jjesus@earthlink.net From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 18:42:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27287 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Super Kermit? Date: 24 Jul 1996 22:42:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4t68s7$jr5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t5p6u$f0q@uruguay.it.earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4t5p6u$f0q@uruguay.it.earthlink.net>, John Jesus wrote: : Looking for information on Super Kermit. Can you point me somewhere? : When the Kermit protocol was first developed over 15 years ago, it had short packets and did not use sliding windows (but of course it was designed to allow them in the future). Later, when we defined the protocol for long packets and sliding windows, somebody somewhere started calling it "SuperKermit". Really, there's no such thing -- Kermit is Kermit. It's an extensible protocol in which the two file transfer partners negotiate automatically about what features they have in common and agree to use them. All modern Columbia Kermits support long packets and sliding windows (except IBM Mainframe Kermit does not "do windows" because it exists only in a half-duplex environment, whereas full duplex connections are needed for sliding windows). "SuperKermit" was also used as the name for the Kermit program written in 1988-92 by Frank Dreano for the Honeywell DPS-6. Usually when BBSs or shareware refer to "SuperKermit" they mean an implementation of the Kermit protocol that does sliding windows or long packets or both. By that definition, most modern Kermit programs are super. However, by no stretch of the imaginition is "SuperKermit" a separate protocol. It is just Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 24 18:46:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA27760 for ; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA12502 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jul 1996 18:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!info.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.zeitgeist.net!news.ecis.com!news.walltech.com!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 24 Jul 1996 21:14:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Charles Roten (croten@crl.crl.com) wrote: : Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my : (SunOS) make looked like the following: : make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" SunOS already supports all of the possible speeds with the default Makefile. You aren't going to add the strays like 28.8, or 14.4, no matter what you do. (Not that you want to anyway. You want a comm speed higher than your connect speed). : I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". : I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do : remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when : doing downloads. You also need to set set file display fullscreen either at the prompt, or in your .kermrc. It supposedly slows down the transfer a bit, but the filling bar is nice. : I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid : connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access [...] : BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" : "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. A connection speed of 19200 sounds like a modem limitation. Some "SmartOne" modems are Rockwell RPI, only fully usable with a special software driver, usually under Windows. Without this driver, they limit to 19200, and have no error correction, which makes 19200 almost impossible. Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 25 03:00:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA11391 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA21092 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 03:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Message-ID: <1996Jul24.213314.2416@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 24 Jul 96 21:33:14 -0400 References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 27 In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) writes: > Hi - > > I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to be > recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with > rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is > in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation CHAINSAW... John Santos, I was helping out a user one day and noticed something I forgot. The user was having problems like you describe, and while scratching my head, ( this was a telnet connection ) i fullscreened the display out of habit, since I need new glasses, and voila!! problem goes away, at least for this one case, and one scenario. user happy. i have no idea if this will help. Frank problably has a better idea.... Jim -- /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@JADE.VCU.EDU NOTICE: Adding me to / > || Neurosurgery, | a commercial mailing list is prohibited. /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | License will be $100.00, agreed to by /________________> Richmond, Va | adding me. THIS WILL BE ENFORCED!!! From news@columbia.edu Thu Jul 25 10:54:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA01936 for ; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA18315 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jul 1996 10:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Does Kermit-95 VT320 mode process received 8-bit CSI sequences? Date: 25 Jul 1996 14:54:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <4t81qs$q68@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net> <1996Jul24.213314.2416@gems.vcu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Jul24.213314.2416@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: : In article <4t44af$pm6@decius.ultra.net>, : jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) writes: : > I think I've found a bug in Kermit-95 V1.1.5 and V1.1.6. It seems not to : > be recognizing 8-bit cursor-control sequences (those that begin with : > rather than ] ). It seems to print as a cents sign. This is : > in VT320 terminal mode. I have Kermit-95 set for 8-bit terminal emulation : : John Santos, I was helping out a user one day and noticed something I : forgot. The user was having problems like you describe, and while : scratching my head, ( this was a telnet connection ) i fullscreened the : display out of habit, since I need new glasses, and voila!! problem goes : away, at least for this one case, and one scenario. user happy. i have no : idea if this will help. : This was probably an illusion :-) : Frank problably has a better idea.... : Yeah -- fix the Dialer to have a sensible default Terminal character-set for VT320 emulation (and the other ones). In the meantime, when using K95 1.1.6, change the character-set manually on the Terminal notebook page to Latin-1 or other appropriate (non-Transparent) character set. Note that the problem occurs only when using a host application that actually sends C1 control characters. To my knowledge, such applications are found only on VMS (if anybody has an counterexample, I'd like to hear about it). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 11:21:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16656 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA03284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 11:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news-in.tiac.net!canopus.hbs.edu!oitnews.harvard.edu!news.dfci.harvard.edu!usenet From: Richard Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit (in MS-Kermit 3.14) Date: 25 Jul 1996 10:14:57 -0400 Organization: Dana-Farber Cancer Institute Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <96206.150456EPD103@psuvm.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unilab.dfci.harvard.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.2.37/Emacs 19.31 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "EPD" == Eric P Delozier writes: EPD> ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit ICMP is an answerback protocol; you probably know it as the 'ping' command. TTL is 'time to live'. The error probably means Kermit sent out an ICMP packet and it did not get a response within a specified span. At a guess, it looks like you are experiencing network lossage somewhere, could be physical, could be software. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3 Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMfeBYp6VRH7BJMxHAQHarwP/favxSXhozDewSdeUAQ2E4GdxaUIU6RyK nK8/IiKt2K8KrbdewHsO0pL+GWXQvtLSBKBNfElAAsobTKCOzsKN7pEuH14KIk4M f59xS17sr3Uns2bHm85FzQIRXQNSGD+LqnmdeH/e5uaHj+0VYaHHYIsJu9nvf4nK fZp7K1tUZhw= =Ee2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Richard Pieri/Information Services \ Always give generously - a small bird or \ rodent left on the bed tells them, "I http://www.dfci.harvard.edu/ \ care". -A cat's guide to life From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 12:02:27 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23258 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA03989 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing Kermit 1.1.7 Date: 26 Jul 1996 16:02:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-ID: <4taq5r$b3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:22 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5650 Version 1.1.7 of Kermit 95 communications software for Windows 95 and NT is now available. Sorry for the three releases in rapid succession, folks. 1.1.5 contained lots of new features; 1.1.6 and 1.1.7 correct problems that some of you reported, but that did not show up in the Beta testing. Version 1.1.7 fixes the following problems: . VT220/320 DCS string cancellation didn't work . SCOANSI and AT386 emulation conflict with Dialer . Televideo and Wyse printing didn't work right . PUSH from Terminal screen to shell could not be returned from . Server GET fails if a SEND-LIST had previously been used . Dialer window minimized to desktop instead of task bar . Wrong default character-set for VT terminals in the Dialer See the new BUGS.DOC file for details. And the Dialer now remembers its size and position, as well as the entry that was highlighted, when you exit from it and then start it again later. HOW TO GET IT The new release can be ordered in shrink-wrapped or bulk- or site-licensed form from Columbia University. All orders received starting today will be filled with version 1.1.7. Find ordering information at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.7 upgrade patch from our BBS or from our ftp site: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/ or on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Report problems with the patches to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 12:11:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24291 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04124 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.sgi.com!news.cs.indiana.edu!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!spot.Xpressnet.com!newsadmn From: pangann@mlc.mb.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit protocol Date: 26 Jul 1996 14:26:22 GMT Organization: InternetXpress, Winnipeg, Manitoba, CANADA Lines: 2 Message-ID: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dial26.xpressnet.com X-Newsreader: SPRY News 3.03 (SPRY, Inc.) Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on OpenVMS Vax, however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 26 12:16:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24999 for ; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA04182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jul 1996 12:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit protocol Date: 26 Jul 1996 16:15:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4taqvg$bch@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com>, wrote: : Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer : files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on OpenVMS Vax, : however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. : "ASCII" is not exactly a "file transfer protocol" -- more precisely, it is the absence of one -- but yes, C-Kermit supports it. Please refer to chapter 10 of the manual, "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 03:58:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03247 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 03:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA20893 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 03:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!info.ucla.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 27 Jul 1996 07:54:54 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 139 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: Clarence Dold's message of 24 Jul 1996 21:14:25 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5653 comp.dcom.modems:145769 Sorry, Clarence .. I added ',comp.dcom.modems' to the '^Followup-To: ' and '^Newsgroups: ' lines again, due to the presence of some modem-chipset related issues. Since _both_ you _and_ Frank Da Cruz warned me about the "Rockwell RPI" chipset problems, I decided to take you _both_ seriously about this issue. Though I still am not sure whether my modem has this problem or not .. and indeed had never heard of it until your responses to my earlier post. BTW, are there any diagnostics for this problem, other than the one Clarence Dold alludes to below ?? I really do not know what to search for in the rather scanty manual .. or what tests to make from the connected-state command line. In article <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Clarence Dold writes: >Charles Roten (croten@crl.crl.com) wrote: >: Yeah, I set the compile-time flag according to the file ckccfg.doc, so my >: (SunOS) make looked like the following: >: make sunos4 "KFLAGS=-DBPS_28K" >SunOS already supports all of the possible speeds with the default Makefile. >You aren't going to add the strays like 28.8, or 14.4, no matter what you do. >(Not that you want to anyway. You want a comm speed higher than your connect >speed). >: I _did_ hack the Makefile to support fullscreen display with "-DCK_CURSES". >: I also set "-DCK_WREFRESH" and "-DCK_PCT_BAR" .. all of which seem to do >: remarkably little to change C-Kermit's rather uninformative behavior when >: doing downloads. BTW, Frank Da Cruz _seems_ to imply _none_ of these mods are neccessary in order to enable "fullscreen" display on a SunOS 4 box. Maybe I went off on an unneccessary tangent here ?? >You also need to set >set file display fullscreen >either at the prompt, or in your .kermrc. >It supposedly slows down the transfer a bit, but the filling bar is nice. Yeah .. I figured that one out after I posted .. sorry. But there _does_ seem to be a problem here, perhaps with interaction with the antique windowing system (Sunview) my box uses. _Any_ interaction between any ovelapping window _or_ Sunview itself (such as closing the window in which I use C-Kermit) and the "vttool" vt100 emulation window I am (now) using as a C-Kermit terminal emulation front end can "freeze" Suntools _totally_ for minutes to hours. The only way of breaking out _by_ _choice_ seems to be a system reboot. Ugly. The only way to be safe seems to leave the "vt100" window open .. and then _neither_ attempt to close it _nor_ manipulate any _other_ window across the output panel. I have yet to test this with X11R5pl26. >: I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid >: connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >[...] >: BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" >: "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. >A connection speed of 19200 sounds like a modem limitation. >Some "SmartOne" modems are Rockwell RPI, only fully usable with a special >software driver, usually under Windows. >Without this driver, they limit to 19200, and have no error correction, which >makes 19200 almost impossible. Hmm .. no problem seen so far with 19200 .. except an apparent inability to get above that throughput except fleetingly and temporarily during downloads where _overall_ efficiency is rated by "stat" right at 50% (or a hair under) for a _38400_ _bps_ connection. I would expect 60-66% if I were receiving at 28800 bps, of course. >Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? Nope .. just "CONNECT 38400". No ", LAP-M" suffix at all. The only place I see the "LAPM" string mentioned in my manual at all is in the table of AT result codes, where result code 77, "PROTOCOL:LAPM", is said to mean "v.42 LAP-M error correction". I have _never_ come across the "PROTOCOL:LAPM" message in any connection made with this beast. Included for your perusal is my (modified) .kermrc file. set line /dev/ttym1 set incomplete keep set flow rts/cts set speed 38400 set dial speed-matching off <<<<--- _This_ line was _just_ _now_ added, and _has_ _not_ _been_ _tested_ _yet_. If it works .. thanks, Clarence. set parity none set send packet-length 9000 set receive packet-length 9000 set window 1 set file type binary set block 3 set file display fullscreen set modem-dialer hayes set file names literal set wildcard-expansion shell set prompt vulcan> Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. Could this be an artifact of the fact that these file transmissions are from a host in California (crl.com) which mounts C-kermit, _through_ _a_ _telnet_ _connection_ _from_ _an_ _intermediate_ _host_ (a local Seattle- based ISP .. crl.com has no Seattle POP), to my local UNIX box ? Yeah, I know .. a wierd way to do things .. Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy in this "relayed" mode, I uuencode any file which even I _suspect_ of containing non-printable characters. Then, when the "too many NAKs" bug shuts me down, I can use UNIX "split", fore and aft, on the (uuencoded) file, throwing away the last line or two on the receiving box and the lines before that on the one sending. Then I retransmit the remainder, and concatenate the two partial files together at my destination. Truly a disgusting hack. Sigh. I'll try out the effect of 'set dial speed-matching off' in my .kermrc later this evening. Thanks. I just hope it helps throughput, but I don't hold out much hope of it assisting the fragility of Sunview in the presence of an ongoing C-Kermit download in a vttool window. Perhaps (in respose to Frank da Cruz' earlier remarks) I'll try a generic make with a non-tweaked Makefile, once I have (hopefully) nailed down the throughput issue with the extra line in my .kermrc. Since the extra '-DCK_CURSES .. (etc.)' strings added to the link-edit lines of the Makefile do not reportedly have any impact on the curses features or the "fullscreen" display option one way or the other. [Clarence's .sig deleted] From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 09:27:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06968 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA15065 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 09:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Date: 27 Jul 1996 09:24:51 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 135 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: croten@crl.crl.com's message of 27 Jul 1996 07:54:54 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5654 comp.dcom.modems:145788 In article croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) wrote: [stuff about Rockwell RPI chipset problems deleted] >In article <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Clarence Dold >writes: [stuff about flages in Makefile, and interference by/with Suntools problems deleted] >>: I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid >>: connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >>[...] >>: BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" >>: "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. >>A connection speed of 19200 sounds like a modem limitation. >>Some "SmartOne" modems are Rockwell RPI, only fully usable with a special >>software driver, usually under Windows. >>Without this driver, they limit to 19200, and have no error correction, which >>makes 19200 almost impossible. >Hmm .. no problem seen so far with 19200 .. except an apparent inability to >get above that throughput except fleetingly and temporarily during downloads >where _overall_ efficiency is rated by "stat" right at 50% (or a hair under) >for a _38400_ _bps_ connection. I would expect 60-66% if I were receiving >at 28800 bps, of course. >>Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? >Nope .. just "CONNECT 38400". No ", LAP-M" suffix at all. >The only place I see the "LAPM" string mentioned in my manual at all is in >the table of AT result codes, where result code 77, "PROTOCOL:LAPM", is >said to mean "v.42 LAP-M error correction". I have _never_ come across the >"PROTOCOL:LAPM" message in any connection made with this beast. >Included for your perusal is my (modified) .kermrc file. >set line /dev/ttym1 >set incomplete keep >set flow rts/cts >set speed 38400 >set dial speed-matching off <<<<--- _This_ line was _just_ _now_ added, > and _has_ _not_ _been_ _tested_ > _yet_. If it works .. thanks, > Clarence. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ** BAD IDEA !!! ** I just A/B'ed this line with a test with the line commented _out_. Results below. >set parity none >set send packet-length 9000 >set receive packet-length 9000 >set window 1 >set file type binary >set block 3 >set file display fullscreen >set modem-dialer hayes >set file names literal >set wildcard-expansion shell >set prompt vulcan> I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two versions of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. _With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: 1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the practical maximum of 8999 bytes. 2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. 3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of the way through the download. _With_OUT_ this "feature" enabled, I got a successful transfer with an effective data rate of 2149 CPS. Results of "stat" follow ... vulcan> files transferred : 1 files not transferred : 0 characters last file : 2280872 total file characters : 2280872 communication line in : 2360731 communication line out : 2155 packets sent : 268 packets received : 268 damaged packets rec'd : 0 timeouts : 0 retransmissions : 1 parity : none 8th bit prefixing : no locking shifts : no window slots used : 1 of 1 packet length : 8999 (send), 9000 (receive) compression : yes [~] (11915) block check type used : 3 elapsed time : 1061 sec transmission rate : 38400 bps effective data rate : 2149 cps efficiency (percent) : 56 >Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, >and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file >transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. >Could this be an artifact of the fact that these file transmissions are >from a host in California (crl.com) which mounts C-kermit, _through_ _a_ >_telnet_ _connection_ _from_ _an_ _intermediate_ _host_ (a local Seattle- >based ISP .. crl.com has no Seattle POP), to my local UNIX box ? >Yeah, I know .. a wierd way to do things .. >Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy >in this "relayed" mode, I uuencode any file which even I _suspect_ of >containing non-printable characters. Then, when the "too many NAKs" bug >shuts me down, I can use UNIX "split", fore and aft, on the (uuencoded) file, >throwing away the last line or two on the receiving box and the lines before >that on the one sending. Then I retransmit the remainder, and concatenate >the two partial files together at my destination. Truly a disgusting hack. >Sigh. >I'll try out the effect of 'set dial speed-matching off' in my .kermrc later >this evening. Thanks. I just hope it helps throughput, but I don't hold out >much hope of it assisting the fragility of Sunview in the presence of an >ongoing C-Kermit download in a vttool window. [Makefile speculations deleted] >[Clarence's .sig deleted] In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT worse. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 10:45:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA15422 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA16297 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 10:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!annex9-7 From: bandyo@econ.umd.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit, OS/2, and All-in-1 problem Date: Sat, 27 Jul 96 08:47:14 Organization: University of Maryland, College Park Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4td38e$qet@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: annex9-7.dial.umd.edu X-Newsreader: IBM WebExplorer DLL First, let me apologize if this is the wrong group. I am trying to set up C-kermit 5A(191) on OS/2 to connect to my wife's office, to use All-in-1. Every thing works fine except All-in-1's email editer "WPS-Plus." When I enter the editer (to create an email for example), the terminal shows 3lJ8l and goes into "line mode" in stead of giving me the full screen. To elaborate, I get the WPS-Plus's top ruler and the first line only. The real problem starts if I hit the cursor keys. "already at top" or something like that overwrites my line. Also, any editing after typing is not updated on the screen, e.g. if I delete a line or a word or a letter, it remains on screen. Only by leaving the editer and "viewing" or returning to the document I can see the changes. I have played with bytesize 7 - 8, codepage (tried 850) and roll-mode (overwrite/insert), so far nothing worked. Any help towards setting C-Kermit up will be appreciated. please email your response to me as I do not read this newsgroup regularly. Thanks for helping in advance. Sushenjit Bandyopadhyay Trying to support native OS/2 software. From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 11:06:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA17124 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16695 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 27 Jul 1996 15:06:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 151 Message-ID: <4tdb9o$p4o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5656 comp.dcom.modems:145799 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : Sorry, Clarence .. I added ',comp.dcom.modems' to the '^Followup-To: ' and : '^Newsgroups: ' lines again, due to the presence of some modem-chipset : related issues. Since _both_ you _and_ Frank Da Cruz warned me about the : "Rockwell RPI" chipset problems, I decided to take you _both_ seriously : about this issue. Though I still am not sure whether my modem has this : problem or not .. and indeed had never heard of it until your responses to : my earlier post. : See item 20 of the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt : BTW, are there any diagnostics for this problem, other than the one Clarence : Dold alludes to below ?? : In general, the modem-specific command to enable error correction or data compression results in an ERROR response. Also I think the product ID shown by ATI3 should say RPI in it somewhere. But none of this is universal; every modem is different. : BTW, Frank Da Cruz _seems_ to imply _none_ of these mods are neccessary in : order to enable "fullscreen" display on a SunOS 4 box. Maybe I went off : on an unneccessary tangent here ?? : Correct. : But there _does_ seem to be a problem here, perhaps with interaction with : the antique windowing system (Sunview) my box uses. _Any_ interaction : between any ovelapping window _or_ Sunview itself (such as closing the : window in which I use C-Kermit) and the "vttool" vt100 emulation window I am : (now) using as a C-Kermit terminal emulation front end can "freeze" Suntools : _totally_ for minutes to hours. The only way of breaking out _by_ _choice_ : seems to be a system reboot. Ugly. : Not a Kermit problem. The fullscreen file transfer display works fine on hundreds of different UNIX platforms. It uses standard curses library calls. On some platforms there are bugs in the curses library (typical symptom: it works the first time, does not work subsequent times). In other situations there can be bugs in the terminal emulator or windowing system through which you view it. Or (but probably not in your case) a simple mismatch between the type of terminal curses thinks you have (look at your UNIX TERM variable) and the type you actually do have. : Hmm .. no problem seen so far with 19200 .. except an apparent inability to : get above that throughput except fleetingly and temporarily during downloads : where _overall_ efficiency is rated by "stat" right at 50% (or a hair under) : for a _38400_ _bps_ connection. I would expect 60-66% if I were receiving : at 28800 bps, of course. : How do you know the connection is really at 28800 bps? Did the modem say so in its CONNECT message? How do you know the connection *stayed* at 28800 bps? V.34 modems can shift down (and hopefully) back up at any time during the connection, perhaps repeatedly. : >Do you get a "CONNECT xxx00, LAP-M" or something like that? : : Nope .. just "CONNECT 38400". No ", LAP-M" suffix at all. : Sounds like you don't have an error-corrected connection. That could be because your modem doesn't *do* error correction, or because it does, but the other one doesn't, or because they both do, but nevertheless failed to negotiate a common error correction protocol. Or it could simply be that you have configured the modem not to issue protocol messages in its result codes. Look in your modem manual at the X command (X1, X4, etc)... : set line /dev/ttym1 : set incomplete keep : set flow rts/cts : set speed 38400 : set dial speed-matching off : set parity none : set send packet-length 9000 <-- Not needed, see manual : set receive packet-length 9000 <-- This might be overkill : set window 1 <-- See below : ... : : Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, : and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file : transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. : Try using a shorter packet length and a bigger window size. For example: set window 4 set receive packet-length 1000 Given the uncertainties about your modem, you certainly don't want to stress it with 9000-byte packets until after you have achieved satisfactory results with more conservative settings. The rule is: 1. Get it working reliably 2. Then vary the packet and window sizes until optimum throughput is achieved 3. Then (maybe) add some control-character unprefixing See the Kermit FAQ for a longer explanation. : Could this be an artifact of the fact that these file transmissions are : from a host in California (crl.com) which mounts C-kermit, _through_ _a_ : _telnet_ _connection_ _from_ _an_ _intermediate_ _host_ (a local Seattle- : based ISP .. crl.com has no Seattle POP), to my local UNIX box ? : Yeah, I know .. a wierd way to do things .. : Yes, of course that will slow things down. And although you did not say anything above about control-character unprefixing, I should warn you that if you start unprefixing control characters to get more performance (which you can read about in our FAQ and in the online C-Kermit documentation), take care not to unprefix Telnet's escape character, or the character 255, or carriage return. (Of course, none of these are unprefixed by default.) : Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy : in this "relayed" mode, I uuencode any file which even I _suspect_ of : containing non-printable characters. Then, when the "too many NAKs" bug : shuts me down, I can use UNIX "split", fore and aft, on the (uuencoded) : file, throwing away the last line or two on the receiving box and the lines : before that on the one sending. : You don't need to do any of this. Kermit itself acts like a "uuencode" program to ensure that binary data gets through even the toughest kinds of links. Just use the defaults. If the transfer through your intermediate Telnet program doesn't work, that means you don't have an 8-bit Telnet connection, in which case simply tell the sending Kermit to: set parity space and then it will work. Should the transfer fail partway through, use the built-in recovery feature (the RESEND command). Read about it in the online documentation that comes with C-Kermit. : I'll try out the effect of 'set dial speed-matching off' in my .kermrc later : this evening. Thanks. I just hope it helps throughput, but I don't hold : out much hope of it assisting the fragility of Sunview in the presence of an : ongoing C-Kermit download in a vttool window. : Sunview and vttool are problematic only in their response to the curses display. To avoid problems, just use some other form of display: set file display crt set file display serial set file display none Curses itself on SunOS is fine. If you use some other terminal or emulator with SunOS C-Kermit there are no problems at all with the display. Again, please consult the manual "Using C-Kermit", plus the accompanying online documentation, and our FAQ to save yourself lots of trouble. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 11:18:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA18032 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA16867 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit, OS/2, and All-in-1 problem Date: 27 Jul 1996 15:18:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4tdbvl$pac@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4td38e$qet@hecate.umd.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4td38e$qet@hecate.umd.edu>, wrote: : I am trying to set up C-kermit 5A(191) on OS/2 to connect to my wife's : office, to use All-in-1. Every thing works fine except All-in-1's email : editer "WPS-Plus." When I enter the editer (to create an email for example), : the terminal shows 3lJ8l and goes into "line mode" in stead of giving me the : full screen. : These are fragments of escape sequences, indicating that the VT emulator is not recognizing them as escape sequences. Most likely this is because when you have a VT220 (as OS/2 C-Kermit emulates by default), VMS assumes you have an 8-bit connection, and so sends 8-bit escape sequences, but C-Kermit's default "terminal bytesize" is 7, not 8, as a defense against parity. So tell C-Kermit: set terminal type vt220 set parity none set terminal bytesize 8 or, if for some reason the intervening connection is really not 8-bit clean, you'll need to tell VMS: set teminal/noeight This will force VMS to send escape sequences in their 7-bit form. If that doesn't do it, then send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu with additional details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 11:42:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA21529 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17278 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 11:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 27 Jul 1996 15:42:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 91 Message-ID: <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5658 comp.dcom.modems:145804 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : In article croten@crl.crl.com : (Charles Roten) wrote: : > : >set dial speed-matching off <<<<--- _This_ line was _just_ _now_ added, : > and _has_ _not_ _been_ _tested_ : > _yet_. If it works .. thanks, : > Clarence. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : : ** BAD IDEA !!! ** I just A/B'ed this line with a test with the line : commented _out_. Results below. : Please read the documentation. What does "set dial speed-matching" do? It merely tells C-Kermit whether to adjust its interface speed to match the speed reported in the modem's CONNECT message. Either it does or it doesn't. One way is right, one way is wrong. If you pick the wrong way, the connection will be totally unusable because the interface speed of the modem and the computer will be different. : I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two versions : of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. : If you were able to log in to the remote host, then the interface speed was right. So whatever "set dial speed-matching" value you had in effect when you did this was correct. : _With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: : 1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the : practical maximum of 8999 bytes. : 2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. : 3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of : the way through the download. : : _With_OUT_ this "feature" enabled, I got a successful transfer with an : effective data rate of 2149 CPS. : You are using a modem which might or might not have error correction and compression built in. Read the Kermit FAQ about the implications of this. If you have an RPI modem, ALL BETS ARE OFF. NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, can be expected to work right, NOT EVEN FLOW CONTROL, because flow control depends on having a modem-to-modem protocol, which will not happen when trying to use an RPI modem on UNIX. Second: You are going through an intermediate TELNET program. Think about this. Think about the additional overhead it introduces. : In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT : worse. : No, there is something else going on. "set dial speed-matching" has nothing to do with it. If you get good transfers sometimes and poor ones other times, it is due to some other factor. Let's assume your modem is NOT an RPI model, since if it were, you would probably NEVER get decent performance out of it. Then what would account for getting good performance sometimes but not others, with all else being equal; i.e. using the same Kermit settings. The answer: obviously it is something external to your Sun. Here are just a few possibilities: 1. An error-corrected connection was not negotiated, and so therefore flow control is not effective, but you are blasting 9000-byte packets into the modem. A recipe for disaster. How could this happen? Maybe some of the modems at your ISP are badly configured. This is a very common occurrence -- in large modem pools, modems frequently lose their configurations, and require constant monitoring and attention. To check, escape back to your modem (plus-plus-plus) and give an ATI6 (or whatever) command to see its current protocols, speed, etc, if your modem offers such a command. 2. Maybe your ISP is using a mixed bag of terminal servers. Some terminal servers (such as Cisco ASM models) do not support hardware flow-control in the upstream direction, so uploads almost always fail. It's the luck of the draw which terminal server your call hunts to. Check with your ISP. 3. A lack of effective flow control between C-Kermit on the Sun and your modem. Your C-Kermit initialization file does say "set flow rts/cts", but how do you know your modem is configured for that also? The next release of C-Kermit, 6.0, simplifies all of this to a great extent. It now incorporates a database of modems, and ensures that the modem is configured according to C-Kermit's own settings. For example, if you tell C-Kermit to "set flow rts/cts", it will issue the modem-specific command to ensure that the modem, too, is configured for RTS/CTS. C-Kermit 6.0 is presently in Beta test. See the Kermit Web page for further information: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Jul 27 23:14:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA29323 for ; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA27884 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jul 1996 23:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!ennfs.eas.asu.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ns2.maslink.com!jmx.net!jpradley.jpr.com!jpradley.jpr.com!not-for-mail From: jpr@jpr.com (Jean-Pierre Radley,320 CPW,NYC,212-877-0440) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit protocol Date: 27 Jul 1996 12:45:03 -0400 Organization: JPRadley, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-ID: <4tdh2f$df4@jpradley.jpr.com> References: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: jpradley.jpr.com In article <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com>, wrote: >Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on >OpenVMS Vax, however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. Please post lines not wider than 80 characters... What is the ASCII file transfer protocol? -- Jean-Pierre Radley jpr@jpr.com XC custodian Sysop, CompuServe SCOForum From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 00:46:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA08221 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA29765 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 00:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!ames!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 28 Jul 1996 04:24:14 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 0 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 02:42:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA17373 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA02310 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 02:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: But do I _really_ have an RPI modem ?? (was: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal) Date: 28 Jul 1996 04:19:50 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 50 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 27 Jul 1996 15:42:17 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5660 comp.dcom.modems:145846 In article <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: [hassles with C-Kermit throughput and tests of ineffective proposed fixes deleted] >You are using a modem which might or might not have error correction and >compression built in. Read the Kermit FAQ about the implications of this. >If you have an RPI modem, ALL BETS ARE OFF. NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, can be >expected to work right, NOT EVEN FLOW CONTROL, because flow control depends >on having a modem-to-modem protocol, which will not happen when trying to >use an RPI modem on UNIX. [rest deleted] OK. I've read through the FAQ on the horrors of the RPI "standards". And I must say I thoroughly agree with the authors. Now .. the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Data" "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal modem. I _have_ the original box the modem came in. Nowhere on the surface is the legend "requires RPI-compliant software" or any equivalent statement displayed. Nor was such language to be found in the manual when I searched for it. The command ati3 produced the result V1.400-V34_DP ROCKWELL and ati6 produced RC288DPi Rev 05BA This appears to be the maximum amount of metadata concerning the modem's data pump I can coerce from its innards and packing materials, without mucking about reading about stuff like 'Trellis Code Modulation' in the specifications, which would neither bring me any forwarder nor be understandable to me in any event. So, on the basis of what I have set forth here and in my earlier posts, can some kind modem guru either 1) tell me whether or not my modem is hamstrung so as to require RPI-conformant software, or, failing that, 2) suggest other ways of extracting said data I do not presently know ? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 08:05:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA21205 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA26348 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 08:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel-eecis!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.15 beta Date: 27 Jul 1996 22:01:57 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4tehml$bj5@chopin.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu I just noticed on the Kermit homepage that a beta version of MSK 3.15 is now available. I was just wondering if this new version of MSK will also be supporting c-style bracketing of macros, just like the new versions of C-Kermit are doing? Just curious. Thanks. --Jerry 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 11:36:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07227 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29629 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit protocol Date: 28 Jul 1996 15:35:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <4tg1cc$a4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com> <4tdh2f$df4@jpradley.jpr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tdh2f$df4@jpradley.jpr.com>, Jean-Pierre Radley,320 CPW,NYC,212-877-0440 wrote: : In article <4takie$ata@spot.Xpressnet.com>, wrote: : >Does C-Kermit support protocols other than Kermit ? I need to transfer : >files to a bank in my city, I would like to use C-Kermit on OpenVMS Vax, : >however the protocol MUST be ASCII file transfer protocol. : : What is the ASCII file transfer protocol? : The "ASCII" "protocol", sometimes also known as the "Xon/Xoff protocol", is the simple copying of a file from one computer to another through a communications link. Like in DOS, instead of using Kermit (or Zmodem, or FTP) to transfer a file, you would: copy foo.bar com1 There is a widespread misconception that this is a good idea. If it works at all, it's an accident. It is practically guaranteed NOT to work if the file is more than a few lines long, has 8-bit data, or has control characters. C-Kermit offers an improved version of this in its TRANSMIT command. Obviously, it uses the prevailing flow control method to reduce the chances of (note: NOT prevent) buffer overruns, and when used in text mode, utilizes the echo (if any) from the other end to know when to send the next line, which serves as a crude type of handshake, or higher-level flow control. Read about it in Chapter 10 of "Using C-Kermit" or Chapter 12 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 11:36:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA07327 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA29634 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.15 beta Date: 28 Jul 1996 15:36:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4tg1dp$a4s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tehml$bj5@chopin.udel.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tehml$bj5@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: : I just noticed on the Kermit homepage that a beta version of MSK 3.15 is : now available. : : I was just wondering if this new version of MSK will also be supporting : c-style bracketing of macros, just like the new versions of C-Kermit are : doing? : Yes, it does support this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 15:55:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA03544 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA03849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 15:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-13.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!lia!glenn From: glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Message-ID: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> Keywords: kermit, flow control Reply-To: glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) Organization: IA Corporation, Emeryville, CA References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Date: Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:39:39 GMT Lines: 96 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5664 comp.dcom.modems:145900 >>>: I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid >>>: connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >>>[...] >>>: BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, ... Right there you've probably noted the real culprit. A Sun 386i must be running an extremely old version of SunOS, and the tty drivers from those days are known to have broken flow-control. I have the same problem in a Sun 3/80 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1; see below. >I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two versions >of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. > >_With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: >1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the > practical maximum of 8999 bytes. >2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. >3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of > the way through the download. > >>Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal emulator, >>and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) interruption of a file >>transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint from C-Kermit. >> >>Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission accuracy ... > >In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT >worse. What you describe are all symptoms of the same problem I'm seeing, which is that Kermit does not cope gracefully (ahem) with broken flow control. I wouldn't mind so much, except that its attempted recovery can often result in a corrupted file getting transferred -- yep, the right number of bytes in the file at the receiving end, and kermit claims it's done, but a UNIX "sum" at both ends reveals the file didn't make it across intact. And this is in spite of using Block Check 3 for checksumming packets! I had somebody tell me the chances of this happening were 1 in {large number}; but sorry, folks, it happens in a macroscopic percentage of the time (half the time, perhaps?) on multi-megabyte files, under conditions I'll describe. I have a Sun-3/80 running C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD), with a 9600-baud Telebit QBlazer attached to serial port B. On this serial line, I have installed a tap such that I can direct one side or the other of the conversation to an old dumb terminal. By setting the terminal into "monitor" mode, I can see all the control characters going back and forth as well as the text -- a handy serial-line debugging tool. Normally, I connect to the modem by setting the serial port to 19200 baud. This lets me take advantage of some buffering in the modem when I send stuff, and it generally works just fine. I can download large files from my ISP just fine in this configuration, without error; the effective rate is choked by the 9600 baud modem connection, so that's all the 3/80 sees, and it can handle that rate just fine. (I've tried a 19200 baud modem, and the poor 68030-with-two-wait-states in the 3/80 is overloaded at that speed, and must invoke flow control regularly to choke back the transfer rate.) Sometimes I want to turn around and send out such a file to another site. If I forget to think about it and just dial out using the same parameters, things will appear to work okay -- for awhile. On the dumb terminal, though, I can see lots of CTRL-S and CTRL-Q characters being put out by the modem as it tries to cope with the overload of receiving data at 19200 and only being able to send at 9600. The computer is pretty busy in this mode, so I'll often wander away, and come back to discover the perfmeter has dropped to zero load, and kermit isn't doing much. If I recall correctly, a "Timeout" error is displayed in the fullscreen display. If I allow this to go on, it may eventually recover and restart the transfer at full speed -- but that's generally after a period where it receives stuff and NAKs bunches of packets. I've learned that if the transfer gets into this state but eventually completes, the received file *must* be checksummed for integrity outside of Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was inadequate to ensure a reliable transfer. This circumstance raises a design issue for future versions of Kermit. There ought to be a way to perform a separate checksum algorithm over the entire file at each end of the transfer, and have these secondary checksums compared once the transfer is complete. This ought to be automated as part of the protocol, if only under control of some new option. Right now, I cannot trust any large transfer without checking manually. If somebody (Frank?) is interested in the details, I suppose I could set up a transfer in some kind of debug mode and log all the activity, if that would help diagnose the problem. (Obviously, the log files would be quite large.) In particular, I'd like to know how the packet checksumming is fooled on such a regular basis. The "fix" in my situation is to remember to use a different set of options to connect when I want to send files from the 3/80. I end up having a separate line in my ~/.kdd file to set the computer port speed to 9600 baud to match the modem's negotiated connection speed. Under these conditions, there are far fewer CTRL-S and CTRL-Q characters exchanged, so the computer's broken flow-control is not driven into its failure mode. Glenn Herteg glenn@ia-us.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 17:02:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA10551 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA04892 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 17:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 28 Jul 1996 21:01:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 109 Message-ID: <4tgkg7$fiv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit, flow control Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5665 comp.dcom.modems:145906 In article <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com>, Glenn Herteg wrote: : >In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT : >worse. : : What you describe are all symptoms of the same problem I'm seeing, which is : that Kermit does not cope gracefully (ahem) with broken flow control. I : wouldn't mind so much, except that its attempted recovery can often result : in a corrupted file getting transferred -- yep, the right number of bytes : in the file at the receiving end, and kermit claims it's done, but a UNIX : "sum" at both ends reveals the file didn't make it across intact. And this : is in spite of using Block Check 3 for checksumming packets! I had somebody : tell me the chances of this happening were 1 in {large number}; but sorry, : folks, it happens in a macroscopic percentage of the time (half the time, : perhaps?) on multi-megabyte files, under conditions I'll describe. : Isn't this the kind of thing you should report to us when it happens, rather than letting it fester for ... : I have a Sun-3/80 running C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93... : ...three years? Note that the current version is 5A(190), October 1994, and that version 6.0 is in Beta test. (Long story deleted...) : ... I've learned that if the transfer gets into this state but eventually : completes, the received file *must* be checksummed for integrity outside : of Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was inadequate to : ensure a reliable transfer. : There was a bug in version 5A(189) in this area. Under a certain set of circumstances, corruption could occur at the PRESENTATION layer (i.e. above the datalink layer, where the block check is applied). It was corrected in version 5A(190). So try version 5A(190) and if you see anything like this happen again, please report it immediately to kermit@columbia.edu. : This circumstance raises a design issue for future versions of Kermit. : There ought to be a way to perform a separate checksum algorithm over the : entire file at each end of the transfer, and have these secondary : checksums compared once the transfer is complete. This ought to be : automated as part of the protocol, if only under control of some new : option. Right now, I cannot trust any large transfer without checking : manually. : You should be able to trust it, period. Of course I have thought about ex-post-facto checksumming, but it could be used only in a very restricted set of cases: . The transfer was in binary mode. Obviously text-mode transfers can't be compared in this way because text transfer mode implies conversions. . The two file systems are the same. The idea of checksumming a file implies that you have a simple UNIX-like stream file system. But if those two cases hold true, you can have all the checksumming you want anyway, using UNIX utilities and a C-Kermit script: define ARG1 return \%1 ; Returns first argument define SUMSEND - ; Send and compare checksums open !read sum \%1,- ; Get checksum of local file if fail end 1 \%1: Can't sum,- ; Can't, fail read \%a,- ; Read it into a variable close read,- ; Close the "sum" process assign sum1 \fexec(arg1 \%a),- ; Get the first "word" of sum set file type binary,- ; Use binary transfer mode send \%1,- ; Send the file if fail end 1 \%1: Transfer failed,- ; Check for failure remote host sum \%1 > /tmp/sum2,- ; Get sum on remote end get /tmp/sum2,- ; Bring it here if fail end 1 sum2: Can't get,- ; Check for failure remote delete /tmp/sum2,- ; Delete the remote sum file open read sum2,- ; Open it if fail end 1 sum2: Can't read,- ; Check for failure read \%a,- ; Read it close read,- ; Close it delete sum2,- ; Delete it assign sum2 \fexec(arg1 \%a),- ; Get the first word of the sum if = \m(sum1) \m(sum2) end 0,- ; If they are equal, succeed end 1 Checksums do NOT agree ; Otherwise fail and print message Version 5A(190) is required for this. In version 6.0 it can be simplified quite a bit. Put these two definitions in your .mykermrc file, and use SUMSEND instead of SEND when you want to send a file in binary mode and compare the checksums afterwards. Requires a Kermit server on the far end and (of course) a "sum" program on each end. In the meantime, I do agree that some sort of ex-post-facto confidence check would be a good thing, and will consider adding it to a future release. Probably this will take the form of one or more \v(xxx) variables, which could be conveniently used in client/server arrangements such as: send blah remote query kermit checksum if not = \v(query) \v(checksum) stop 1 Checksum mismatch Also, with regard to your comment that C-Kermit does not handle massive data loss gracefully -- well, I'll bet it handles it better than any other file transfer protocol you can think of :-) Nevertheless, there will be some additional improvements in the next Beta edit of C-Kermit 6.0 in precisely this area. Watch this space for announcements. And thanks for the (belated) report. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 20:37:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA03554 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA08395 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 20:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.mathworks.com!news.PBI.net!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!nntp.crl.com!croten From: croten@crl.crl.com (Charles Roten) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 28 Jul 1996 22:39:57 GMT Organization: Widgets, Inc. Lines: 160 Message-ID: References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com In-reply-to: glenn@ia-us.com's message of Sun, 28 Jul 1996 19:39:39 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5666 comp.dcom.modems:145922 In article <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) writes: me> I _can_ set the speed to 38400 .. but max throughput indicates a solid me> connection at _half_ that speed, 19200. I _cannot_ seem to access >>>[...] me> BTW, the system is an elderly Sun 386i, ... glenn> Right there you've probably noted the real culprit. A Sun 386i glenn> must be running an extremely old version of SunOS, No fooling. How about SunOS 4.0.2 .. which was the _last_ version shipped with that box ? There are random rumors of units with a beta version of 4.0.3, but these are as illusive as proof of the afterlife. 8^) 8^) glenn> and the tty glenn> drivers from those days are known to have broken flow-control. I glenn> have the same problem in a Sun 3/80 running SunOS 4.1.1_U1; see below. me> I just tried to download a mail archive of uuencoded stuff with two me> versions of the above .kermrc file. Archive size was 2280872 bytes. me> me> _With_ 'set dial speed-matching off', I got the following: me> 1) _Lousy_ average packet sizes, all over the map but rarely at the me> practical maximum of 8999 bytes. me> 2) _Lousy_ throughput .. around 1200 CPS. me> 3) Premature termination due to multiple timeouts less than a quarter of me> the way through the download. me> me>> Another problem I get from this combination of C-Kermit, terminal me>> emulator, and windowing system on my box is the (quite sudden) me>> interruption of a file transmission with the "too many NAKs" complaint me>> from C-Kermit. me>> me>> Owing to the fact that I am not _sure_ of binary file transmission me>> accuracy ... me> me> In conclusion .. "set dial speed-matching off" makes things WORSE .. a LOT me> worse. glenn> What you describe are all symptoms of the same problem I'm seeing, glenn> which is that Kermit does not cope gracefully (ahem) with broken glenn> flow control. I wouldn't mind so much, except that its attempted glenn> recovery can often result in a corrupted file getting glenn> transferred -- yep, the right number of bytes in the file at the glenn> "receiving end, and kermit claims it's done, but a UNIX sum" at glenn> both ends reveals the file didn't make it across intact. And this glenn> is in spite of using Block Check 3 for checksumming packets! I had glenn> somebody tell me the chances of this happening were 1 in {large glenn> number}; but sorry, folks, it happens in a macroscopic percentage glenn> of the time (half the time, perhaps?) on multi-megabyte files, glenn> under conditions I'll describe. glenn> I have a Sun-3/80 running C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 glenn> (BSD), with a 9600-baud Telebit QBlazer attached to serial port glenn> B. On this serial line, I have installed a tap such that I can glenn> direct one side or the other of the conversation to an old dumb glenn> terminal. By setting the terminal into "monitor" mode, I can see glenn> all the control characters going back and forth as well as the glenn> text -- a handy serial-line debugging tool. glenn> Normally, I connect to the modem by setting the serial port to 19200 glenn> baud. This lets me take advantage of some buffering in the modem glenn> when I send stuff, and it generally works just fine. I can glenn> download large files from my ISP just fine in this configuration, glenn> without error; the effective rate is choked by the 9600 baud modem glenn> connection, so that's all the 3/80 sees, and it can handle that glenn> rate just fine. (I've tried a 19200 baud modem, and the poor ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ glenn> 68030-with-two-wait-states in the 3/80 is overloaded at that speed, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ glenn> must invoke flow control regularly to choke back the transfer rate.) I wonder if its really your CPU. You imply you're using a on-motherboard serial port, if I read you correctly .. mind you, I'm no expert on Sun 3/80 hardware, so I don't know how many serial ports the motherboard on that beast could support .. just guessing. But back when I used My OS's DOS emulator and MS-kermit for commo functions, I used _serial_ _port_ _A_ _on_ _the_ _motherboard_. The I/O of which, so I'm told, was limited by the UART on the motherboard. Now, I've tried a 9600 BPS Zoom modem on that sucker .. and, no soap. It seems _totally_ unable to negotiate speeds in excess of 2400 BPS. Just _forget_ about 19200 bps or 28800 bps. Probable culprit .. a neolithic UART. My old box _does_ have an AT bus .. and there are drivers that let UNIX use it, which I "modload" from /etc/rc.local on boot. So I picked up the _internal_ modem I described earlier, with it's _own_ bloody UART, which fits right into one of the (sadly unpopulated) card slots on said AT bus. Then, again from /etc/rc.local, I built a second device special file, /dev/ttym1, just as the 386i list suggested. I can talk to _that_ port using my new modem from UNIX, as serial port B, IRQ 3. Leaving serial port A, /dev/ttya, without a job. Not to mention ths DOS emulator. Under the _present_ arrangement, with the motherboard's serial port completely bypassed and out of it, I routinely (well, not _quite_ routinely .. 8^) transfer files at an effective 1920 CPS. And my CPU loading, as reported by 'perfmeter' and 'perfmon' (yup, my OS is _that_ old 8^), is _nil_. Too small to see. glenn> Sometimes I want to turn around and send out such a file to glenn> another site. If I forget to think about it and just dial out glenn> using the same parameters, things will appear to work okay -- for glenn> awhile. On the dumb terminal, though, I can see lots of CTRL-S glenn> and CTRL-Q characters being put out by the modem as it tries to glenn> cope with the overload of receiving data at 19200 and only being glenn> able to send at 9600. glenn> The computer is pretty busy in this mode, so I'll often wander glenn> away, and come back to discover the perfmeter has dropped to zero glenn> load, and kermit isn't doing much. If I recall correctly, a " glenn> Timeout" error is displayed in the fullscreen display. If I allow glenn> this to go on, it may eventually recover and restart the transfer glenn> at full speed -- but that's generally after a period where it glenn> receives stuff and NAKs bunches of packets. I've learned that if glenn> the transfer gets into this state but eventually completes, the glenn> *received file must* be checksummed for integrity outside of glenn> Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was glenn> inadequate to ensure a reliable transfer. I get the same sort of behavior .. with an internal modem, low CPU loading, and rtc/cts flow control. You earlier mentioned that the misbehavior was, you suspected, at the device-driver level. Perhaps it is independent of these other issues. Oh, yes, before I forget .. I've got rts/cts flow control set up in both C-Kermits, fore-and-aft, in their .kermrc files. And I've checked both using "show". But when I add in "&k3" to the dialin string I feed C-Kermit on my end, to _force_ my modem to rts/cts flow control, it (again) makes matters _worse_ .. file transfers screwed up in much the same fashion except worse, and sooner) as with 'set dial speed-matching off' .. multi- second periods of lockup in interactive throughput (a minute or more, in some cases) .. a mess. _Ignoring_/_not_using_ "&k3" in the dialin string makes all these pathologies go away. _HUH_ ?!?!? glenn> This circumstance raises a design issue for future versions of glenn> Kermit. There ought to be a way to perform a separate checksum glenn> algorithm over the entire file at each end of the transfer, and have glenn> these secondary checksums compared once the transfer is complete. glenn> This ought to be automated as part of the protocol, if only under glenn> control of some new option. Right now, I cannot trust any large glenn> transfer without checking manually. glenn> If somebody (Frank?) is interested in the details, I suppose I glenn> could set up a transfer in some kind of debug mode and log all the glenn> activity, if that would help diagnose the problem. (Obviously, glenn> the log files would be quite large.) In particular, I'd like to glenn> know how the packet checksumming is fooled on such a regular basis. glenn> The "fix" in my situation is to remember to use a different set of glenn> options to connect when I want to send files from the 3/80. I end glenn> up having a separate line in my ~/.kdd file to set the computer glenn> port speed to 9600 baud to match the modem's negotiated connection glenn> speed. Under these conditions, there are far fewer CTRL-S and glenn> CTRL-Q characters exchanged, so the computer's broken flow-control is not driven into its failure mode. glenn> Glenn Herteg glenn> glenn@ia-us.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 28 21:24:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA07073 for ; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA09302 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Jul 1996 21:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 29 Jul 1996 01:24:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-ID: <4th3rr$k91@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5667 comp.dcom.modems:145925 In article , Charles Roten wrote: : ... : Oh, yes, before I forget .. I've got rts/cts flow control set up in both : C-Kermits, fore-and-aft, in their .kermrc files. And I've checked both : using "show". : Remember: In old versions of SunOS, RTS/CTS flow control doesn't work as expected. From the ckuker.bwr (C-Kermit for UNIX "Beware" file): "On Sun computers with SunOS 4.0, SET FLOW RTS/CTS works only if the carrier signal is present from the communication device at the time when C-Kermit enters packet mode or CONNECT mode. If carrier is not sensed (e.g. when dialing), C-Kermit does not attempt to turn on RTS/CTS flow control. This is because the SunOS serial device driver does not allow characters to be output if RTS/CTS is set (CRTSCTS) but carrier (and DSR) are not present. Workaround (maybe): SET CARRIER OFF before giving the SET LINE command, establish the connection, then SET FLOW RTS/CTS." : But when I add in "&k3" to the dialin string I feed C-Kermit : on my end, to _force_ my modem to rts/cts flow control, it (again) makes : matters _worse_ .. file transfers screwed up in much the same fashion : except worse, and sooner)... : But we still don't know if your modem is an RPI model or not. This seems to suggest that it is. : ... as with 'set dial speed-matching off' ... : which (again) has nothing whatever to do with how efficient file transfers are -- it only tells C-Kermit whether to change its interface speed in response to the modem's CONNECT message when you first make the call, period. : ... multi-second periods of lockup in interactive throughput (a minute or : more, in some cases) .. a mess. _Ignoring_/_not_using_ "&k3" in the dialin : string makes all these pathologies go away. _HUH_ ?!?!? : Probably because you are telling the modem to use RTS/CTS flow control between itself and the Sun, but (if it is an RPI model) it has NO WAY to pass the flow control upstream to the other modem because there is NO LAPM OR MNP PROTOCOL between the two modems. The same applies in the other direction. There was a long and senseless debate about RPI and similar modems in comp.dcom.modems about a year ago. "What happens when some poor soul tries to use one in a UNIX workstation?" "Why would anybody do that?" was the glib answer. We still don't know for sure that you have an RPI modem -- its diagnostics are uninformative, you have no documentation... But it looks like a duck and it quacks like a duck. There are ways you could find out for sure. E.g. place a call to (say) a USR Courier, and then give an ATI6 command to the Courier to see if an error-corrected connection was negotiated. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 10:06:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22831 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11444 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!nb.rockwell.com!tokyo.rockwell.com!palm From: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Stephen [kiwin] PALM) Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal In-Reply-To: croten@crl.crl.com's message of 27 Jul 1996 07: 54:54 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems X-Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions, not Rockwell's Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell International Japan, JEDC References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 11:57:52 GMT Return-Receipt-To: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Palm Stephen) Lines: 20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5668 comp.dcom.modems:145977 ** > "Charles" == Charles Roten Charles> Since _both_ you _and_ Frank Da Cruz warned me about the Charles> "Rockwell RPI" chipset problems, I decided to take you _both_ Charles> seriously about this issue. Though I still am not sure Charles> whether my modem has this problem or not .. and indeed had Charles> never heard of it until your responses to my earlier post. All RPI modems inicate they are RPI modems in the output of the ATI3 command. You can check: http://www.nb.rockwell.com/ref/rpi.html for more information on RPI. regards, kiwin -- ----- Stephen [kiwin] Palm COMNET 930-1564 T: +81-3-5371-1564 Rockwell Semiconductor Systems (JST=PST+17hours) F: +81-3-5371-1507 Japan Engineering Design Center E: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com s.palm@ieee.org spalm@cmu.edu palm@itu.ch palm@lssl.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 16:38:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10202 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 16:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Novell Client32 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 96 19:37:24 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Lines: 27 Message-ID: <838669044snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> References: <837802182snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> <1996Jul22.031916.83060@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-NNTP-Posting-Host: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk In article <1996Jul22.031916.83060@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu "Joe Doupnik" writes: > In article <837986911snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi > writes: >> I've recently upgraded to the NEW Novell 32 Bit Client. This has just come >> out of beta, so I thought I'd try MS-Kermit with this new ODI interface. >> It failed:-(, will MS-Kermit be patched to allow this to work or did I do >> something stupid? I was using MS-Kermit 3.14. >> >> I'm using the new 32 bit Client for Windows 3.1 and DOS. The Windows 95 >> version has been out of beta for some time. I am attempting to use it under DOS and NOT in a Windoze DOS box. > ------------- > MS-DOS Kermit works fine with Novell's Client32 for DOS/Win31. > One needs to load lsl and pdoseth after the main Client32 components. > That's the way a 16-bit real mode ODI interface is offered. > Joe D. I've just tried this, when back to work, and all the bits appear to load OK BUT Kermit refuses to work :-(. Does the fact I'm using Token Ring have any effect? I used pdostok.com rather than pdoseth.com. Mike -- The Bujold Nexus at http://www.herald.co.uk/~dendarii/ for lovers of SF and the work of Lois McMaster Bujold From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 17:31:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20977 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19230 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.Arizona.EDU!packrat.aml.arizona.edu!dsew From: dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu (David Sewell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question on Macintosh Latin character set Date: 29 Jul 1996 21:13:41 GMT Organization: Department of Geosciences, University of Arizona Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4tj9i5$l70@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: packrat.aml.arizona.edu NNTP-Posting-User: dsew I need to distribute some files that use the ISO Latin-1 character set, and I'm using the XLATE function of C-Kermit to translate them into a couple of other formats (PC codepage 850, plain ASCII). If I use the Macintosh-Latin translation that C-Kermit provides, will the result be a file that will make sense to any standard Macintosh word processor, or does it require MacKermit to display properly? (I don't have any reasonable access to a Mac & so can't easily test this myself.) Thanks, David S. -- David Sewell * dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu | "Seekers for gold dig much Dep't of Geosciences, University of Arizona | earth, and find little gold." WWW: http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/~dsew/ | --Heraclitus From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 29 17:43:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA24182 for ; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA19405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question on Macintosh Latin character set Date: 29 Jul 1996 17:43:21 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4tjb9p$nja@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tj9i5$l70@news.ccit.arizona.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tj9i5$l70@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, David Sewell wrote: : I need to distribute some files that use the ISO Latin-1 character : set, and I'm using the XLATE function of C-Kermit to translate them : into a couple of other formats (PC codepage 850, plain ASCII). If : I use the Macintosh-Latin translation that C-Kermit provides, will : the result be a file that will make sense to any standard Macintosh : word processor : Yes, it should make sense. Macintosh Latin has all the characters of Latin-1, plus a bunch of others, since Macintosh character sets, like IBM code pages, use the 32 C1 positions for graphic characters. You can read all about Macintosh Latin in the file: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/charsets/maclatin.* - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 10:45:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11865 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA25340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.dacom.co.kr!usenet.seri.re.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet From: jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr (Park Jae-hyon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems of Korean letters in MSK314 & 315beta Date: 30 Jul 1996 19:57:08 +0900 Organization: KAIST Lines: 77 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: entropy.kaist.ac.kr X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Hi. In our computing room, a DOS machine is connected to a Linux one through a null-modem cable. MS-Kermit is running on the DOS machine and almost everything goes fine. The problem is when I type in Korean letters on the DOS machine. As you may know, one Korean letter is represented by a pair of bytes >= 0x80. Bytes < 0x80 are used for ordinary ASCII characters. I have set my MS-Kermit like this: set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent Some letters (i.e. some pairs of bytes) are always entered correctly. Some are entered correctly when followed by a Korean letter or an alphabet but truncated when followed by LF, space, TAB, +, etc. (2nd byte of the pair is discarded). For instance, when I run `od', a dump program in the Linux box, and type a letter of codes, 0xb1 0xa1, four times, and type Enter, ^D, the result is: $ od -tx1 °¡°¡°¡°¡ <- This is what I typed 0000000 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 0a 0000011 $ This letter, 0xb1 0xa1, is `a letter of good behavior.' But, for 0xc0 0xe5: $ od -tx1 ÀåÀåÀåÀå <- This is what I typed 0000000 c0 e5 c0 e5 c0 e5 c0 0a 0000010 $ The byte immediately before 0x0a is missing. There must be a 0xe5 before 0x0a! Not only before linefeed code the second byte disappears but also before¤characters like a space or `+' or ESC and the like. Some more examples: $ od -tx1 abcdÀå°¡Àå°¡+ 0000000 61 62 63 64 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 2b 0a 0000016 $ od -tx1 abcd°¡Àå°¡Àå+ 0000000 61 62 63 64 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 2b 0a 0000015 $ od -tx1 Àå°¡Àå°¡efgh 0000000 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 65 66 67 68 0a 0000015 $ od -tx1 °¡Àå°¡Àåefgh 0000000 b0 a1 c0 e5 b0 a1 c0 e5 65 66 67 68 0a 0000015 With MS-Kermit 3.13, this problem was absent. -- Park, Jae-hyon Dept. of Physics, KAIST jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 13:01:37 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA02876 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA27965 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!lia!glenn From: glenn@ia-us.com (Glenn Herteg) Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Message-ID: <1996Jul30.164039.1803@ia-us.com> Reply-To: glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) Organization: IA Corporation, Emeryville, CA References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:40:39 GMT Lines: 63 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5673 comp.dcom.modems:146125 >glenn> Normally, I connect to the modem by setting the serial port to 19200 >glenn> baud. ... (I've tried a 19200 baud modem, and the poor > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >glenn> 68030-with-two-wait-states in the 3/80 is overloaded at that speed, and > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >glenn> must invoke flow control regularly to choke back the transfer rate.) > >I wonder if its really your CPU. You imply you're using a on-motherboard >serial port, if I read you correctly .. mind you, I'm no expert on Sun 3/80 >hardware, so I don't know how many serial ports the motherboard on that >beast could support .. just guessing. The 3/80 has only the on-board serial ports, and no direct way to expand (unless there's some SCSI or Ethernet box on the market, with a Sun-3 driver, that would support terminal ports). >glenn> I've learned that if >glenn> the transfer gets into this state but eventually completes, the >glenn> *received file must* be checksummed for integrity outside of >glenn> Kermit, because the Block Check 3 on the packet level was >glenn> inadequate to ensure a reliable transfer. > >I get the same sort of behavior .. with an internal modem, low CPU loading, >and rtc/cts flow control. You earlier mentioned that the misbehavior was, >you suspected, at the device-driver level. Perhaps it is independent of >these other issues. Frank has indicated the likely problem; I'll upgrade my kermit and run some tests. I had not done the upgrade before because the version I use seemed otherwise fine, there was a clear workaround, and I felt I had no right to expect a protocol to work when I'm telling it to depend on a transport known to be broken. Frank seems to feel otherwise, so okay, I'll take up the challenge. (The other reason I didn't upgrade had to do with the default behavior on transferring partial files. It's possible in the 190 version to have partial files left around, and you get no notice of this. Oh, yes, I suppose the fullscreen display would tell me that at the end of the transfer. But if I'm using an xterm [for instance; lots of terminals have this "problem"] then the fullscreen display flips into an alternate screen, which [kazaam!] disappears once the transfer is done. There went my notification of success or failure. [To fix this, I think a simple success or failure notification, and the name of any partial file left hanging around, ought to be repeated on the original screen once fullscreen mode ends.] I've modified the terminfo entry for xterm to form one I call "kterm" without this alternate-screen ability, but I generally forget to use it. And I suppose there may be an option to turn off this partial-file behavior [I don't remember now], but I just didn't feel a need to play around with it before.) >Oh, yes, before I forget .. I've got rts/cts flow control set up in both >C-Kermits, fore-and-aft, in their .kermrc files. Bad news, as Frank has pointed out. I wouldn't even try the suggested fix, since (if I recall correctly) nowhere in the manuals is it suggested that you really have the proper control on both the RTS and CTS lines. Sun has a patch for the tty driver to supposedly fix all this, but only for SPARC machines. Software flow control, bad as it is, is probably the best solution for you. Glenn Herteg glenn@ia-us.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 13:42:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11910 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28541 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal Date: 30 Jul 1996 17:42:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 73 Message-ID: <4tlhhp$fm8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Jul28.193939.943@ia-us.com> <1996Jul30.164039.1803@ia-us.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5674 comp.dcom.modems:146136 In article <1996Jul30.164039.1803@ia-us.com>, Glenn Herteg wrote: : >I get the same sort of behavior .. with an internal modem, low CPU loading, : >and rtc/cts flow control. You earlier mentioned that the misbehavior was, : >you suspected, at the device-driver level. Perhaps it is independent of : >these other issues. : : Frank has indicated the likely problem; I'll upgrade my kermit and run : some tests. I had not done the upgrade before because the version I use : seemed otherwise fine, there was a clear workaround, and I felt I had no : right to expect a protocol to work when I'm telling it to depend on a : transport known to be broken. Frank seems to feel otherwise, so okay, : I'll take up the challenge. : : (The other reason I didn't upgrade had to do with the default behavior : on transferring partial files. It's possible in the 190 version to have : partial files left around, and you get no notice of this. : Right, the *default* changed. This is to allow recovery of broken transmissions, a much asked-for feature. You can, of course, restore the previous behavior of discarding patially received files by putting the following command in your .kermrc: set file incomplete discard and/or you can test whether a transfer succeeded (even if you do keep the fragment from a failed transfer) using SHOW STATUS, IF SUCCESS ..., looking in the transaction log, or in any number of other ways, including... : I suppose the fullscreen display would tell me that at the end of the : transfer. But if I'm using an xterm [for instance; lots of terminals : have this "problem"] then the fullscreen display flips into an alternate : screen, which [kazaam!] disappears once the transfer is done. : Well, that's not nice of your xterm. Using a normal terminal or emulator, this doesn't happen, and you have the entire transfer display to look at after the transfer is done. Not a Kermit problem. : There went my notification of success or failure. [To fix this, I think a : simple success or failure notification, and the name of any partial file : left hanging around, ought to be repeated on the original screen once : fullscreen mode ends.] : And others think we are way too verbose already :-) But that's what the macro language is for: define verbosesend send \%1, show status define verbosereceive receive, - show status, - xif fail { echo, echo PARTIAL file received: \v(filespec), echo } By the way, the next release of C-Kermit will indeed have a CRC generation and checking feature, so you will be able to do the following to verify that a binary-mode transfer produced the desired result, assuming you have a Kermit client and a Kermit server that both support this feature: set file type binary send (or get) (one or more files) remote query kermit crc16 if not = \v(query) \v(crc16) echo CRC mismatch else echo CRC comparison OK (Replace the ECHO commands with whatever you need to handle failure and success.) This feature uses the CRC-16 code that has proven itself portable to over 500 different platforms -- 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit -- over the past 10 years, so you don't have to worry about sign extension, endianness, word size or other problems that "man sum" hints at. Plus, unlike "sum", it will be available in other operating systems besides just UNIX. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 16:06:26 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06531 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01016 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!news.isi.edu!usenet From: Naveen Ashish Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Basic Question - Can I write a batch program to dial out ? Date: 30 Jul 1996 19:00:02 GMT Organization: USC Information Sciences Institute Lines: 7 Message-ID: <4tlm3i$hhn@venera.isi.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isd12.isi.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3 sun4c) X-URL: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc I have a basic question regarding Kermit. Can I write a program (in say C) that uses LKermit to dial out , retrieve files etc. on its own, without any user interaction ? Thanks for the info. - Naveen Ashish(ashish@isi.edu) From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 16:14:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07376 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01149 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Basic Question - Can I write a batch program to dial out ? Date: 30 Jul 1996 20:14:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4tlqeu$jft@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tlm3i$hhn@venera.isi.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tlm3i$hhn@venera.isi.edu>, Naveen Ashish wrote: : I have a basic question regarding Kermit. Can I write a program : (in say C) that uses LKermit to dial out , retrieve files etc. on its : own, without any user interaction ? : If it is C-Kermit, Kermit 95, or MS-DOS Kermit, yes. All of these include complete script programming languages which are described in their respective manuals. You can write Kermit scripts to do practically anything automatically that you would do by hand. More information about Kermit versions and their manuals at our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 16:59:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA15393 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA01863 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.asu.edu!usenet From: Scott Herrington Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disabling ALT-X in K95? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:54:21 -0700 Organization: Arizona State University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <31FE767D.7DC3@asu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: scott.lib.asu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (WinNT; I) We are looking at the possibility of putting K95 on all (220) of the public workstations in our library. The scripting capability of K95 allows us to deal with some serious problems we have; the ability to launch directly into telnet (and have it go away when you disconnect--at least in 1.1.5--fits our environemt; and the price for a bulk license is great. But, we have one serious reservation: we want to keep patrons in the telnet session, and not let them alt-x to the command prompt. One they get there, away they go--and we can't allow that. So, is there any way of disabling the ability (alt-x) to go to the command line? Scott Herrington Arizona State University scott.herrington@asu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 17:15:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18034 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disabling ALT-X in K95? Date: 30 Jul 1996 21:15:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4tlu14$kv7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31FE767D.7DC3@asu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31FE767D.7DC3@asu.edu>, Scott Herrington wrote: : We are looking at the possibility of putting K95 on all (220) of the : public workstations in our library. The scripting capability of K95 : allows us to deal with some serious problems we have; the ability to : launch directly into telnet (and have it go away when you disconnect--at : least in 1.1.5--fits our environemt; and the price for a bulk license is : great. But, we have one serious reservation: we want to keep patrons : in the telnet session, and not let them alt-x to the command prompt. : One they get there, away they go--and we can't allow that. So, is there : any way of disabling the ability (alt-x) to go to the command line? : Yes. I'll respond privately. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 30 21:40:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20407 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA06681 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nb.rockwell.com!tokyo.rockwell.com!palm From: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Stephen [kiwin] PALM) Subject: Re: But do I _really_ have an RPI modem ?? (was: Problem getting 28800 bps in C-Kermit 5A(190) on a v.34 internal) In-Reply-To: croten@crl.crl.com's message of 28 Jul 1996 04: 19:50 GMT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: X-Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions, not Rockwell's Sender: news@nb.rockwell.com Organization: Rockwell International Japan, JEDC References: <4t63nh$imc@samba.rahul.net> <4tddcp$prv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:52:05 GMT Return-Receipt-To: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com (Palm Stephen) Lines: 47 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5679 comp.dcom.modems:146199 ** > "Roten" == Charles Roten Roten> OK. I've read through the FAQ on the horrors of the RPI Roten> "standards". And I must say I thoroughly agree with the Roten> authors. You may also wish to check the information at: http://www.nb.rockwell.com/ref/rpi.html Roten> Now .. the system is an elderly Sun 386i, with a generic "Best Roten> Data" "Smart One" (tm) 2834F Rockwell chipset v.34 internal Roten> modem. I _have_ the original box the modem came in. Nowhere Roten> on the surface is the legend "requires RPI-compliant software" Roten> or any equivalent statement displayed. Nor was such language Roten> to be found in the manual when I searched for it. Roten> The command Roten> ati3 Roten> produced the result Roten> V1.400-V34_DP ROCKWELL This is the definitive test if a modem is RPI or not. Since RPI is not mentioned in the output of ATI3, this modem contains "hardware" error correction and data compression (ie, it is not an RPI-only modem). Roten> ati6 Roten> produced Roten> RC288DPi Rev 05BA This indicates it is a V34 capable data pump. Roten> So, on the basis of what I have set forth here and in my Roten> earlier posts, can some kind modem guru either 1) tell me Roten> whether or not my modem is hamstrung so as to require Roten> RPI-conformant software, or, failing that, 2) suggest other Roten> ways of extracting said data I do not presently know ? Thanks. You modem is not RPI. regards, kiwin -- ----- Stephen [kiwin] Palm COMNET 930-1564 T: +81-3-5371-1564 Rockwell Semiconductor Systems (JST=PST+17hours) F: +81-3-5371-1507 Japan Engineering Design Center E: palm@tokyo.rockwell.com s.palm@ieee.org spalm@cmu.edu palm@itu.ch palm@lssl.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 00:50:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA05543 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA10053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!uniserve!news.sol.net!news.inc.net!newspump.sol.net!chi-news.cic.net!news.campus.rpslmc.edu!dialup23 From: jcanar@hsmsun.tob.rpslmc.edu (jeff canar) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit can't finish the connection Date: Wed, 31 Jul 96 02:53:50 GMT Organization: dept. of health systems managment - rush university Lines: 24 Message-ID: <4tmi68$shp@cwis.campus.rpslmc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup23.campus.rpslmc.edu X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #4 o.k., here goes, i have successfully used kermit (3.14) on a variety of p.c.s with both serial and tcp/ip connections but this has me stumped. i'm trying to use kermit on a gateway 2000 p75 with a 28.8k telepath fax modem. when i dial into one particular server (which works fine with every other kermit i've installed), it dials, starts the connection (i hear the other computer answer, the tone changes, and then hangs at that tone/noise e.g. the second tone), and then does nothing till i hit a key at which point i get "no carrier". kermit works fine dialing other servers, but not the one i most need. and i can sit there with a laptop next to me and dial into the guilty server w/o a problem using kermit. and perhaps related: i only seem to get a connection when i use 9600, 28800, 38400, and 57600. setting the speed to 14400 and hitting connect yields nothing (i.e. nothing i type is echoed on the screen). i have "using msdos kermit" but can't find a solution. any thoughts? thanks in advance, jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 03:22:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15378 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet From: jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr (Park Jae-hyon) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems of Korean letters in MSK314 & 315beta Date: 31 Jul 1996 09:34:33 +0900 Organization: Korea Advanced Institute of Science and Technology Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: entropy.kaist.ac.kr In-reply-to: jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr's message of 30 Jul 1996 19:57:08 +0900 X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Sorry, there was a typo in the question. All `0xb1 0xa1's in the following must have been `0xb0 0xa1's. In article jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr (Park Jae-hyon) writes: | For instance, when I run `od', a dump program | in the Linux box, and type a letter of codes, | 0xb1 0xa1, four times, and type Enter, ^D, | the result is: | | $ od -tx1 | °¡°¡°¡°¡ <- This is what I typed | 0000000 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 b0 a1 0a | 0000011 | $ | | This letter, 0xb1 0xa1, is `a letter of good behavior.' -- Park, Jae-hyon Dept. of Physics, KAIST jhpark@entropy.kaist.ac.kr From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 03:27:17 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA15523 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA12715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 03:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!news From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Progress indicator while "transmitting" a file? Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:17:03 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: vts-char6-s9.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 When transmitting a file with the transmit command, the only progress indicator appears to be letting the file contents echo to the screen. Does there exist some sort of switch so I can get dots or equivalent? I'd rather not see the file scroll by. Thanks for any help. MAB --------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom | Hot Doughnuts Now! mbaucom@vnet.net | -- Krispy Kreme From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 05:19:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA23658 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 05:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA14451 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 05:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!djwhome.demon.co.uk From: David Woolley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ICMP: TTL exceeded in transit (in MS-Kermit 3.14) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 20:35:52 GMT Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 21 Sender: news Message-ID: References: <96206.150456EPD103@psuvm.psu.edu> X-NNTP-Posting-Host: djwhome.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: djwhome.demon.co.uk In article , Richard Pieri wrote: > >ICMP is an answerback protocol; you probably know it as the 'ping' >command. TTL is 'time to live'. The error probably means Kermit sent >out an ICMP packet and it did not get a response within a specified >span. ICMP is an error reporting protocol (mainly, although ping uses its other function as a management/diagnostics protocol). TTL expired means that an outbound packet of any IP type (in general not ICMP) was relayed by too many routers. This will happen either because the routers are confused and routing in circles, or because the route is very tortuous and too small a TTL was specified. Traceroute works by sending UDP packets with successively larger TTL values and seeing which router returns an ICMP. -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 09:16:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA13535 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07123 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress indicator while "transmitting" a file? Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:15:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4tnma0$rng@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: : When transmitting a file with the transmit command, the only progress : indicator appears to be letting the file contents echo to the screen. : : Does there exist some sort of switch so I can get dots or equivalent? : I'd rather not see the file scroll by. : You can SET TRANSMIT ECHO OFF to not see the file scroll by, but presently there is no other progress indicator. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 09:25:56 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA14683 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA07255 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 09:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit can't finish the connection Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:25:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <4tnmsf$rss@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tmi68$shp@cwis.campus.rpslmc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tmi68$shp@cwis.campus.rpslmc.edu>, jeff canar wrote: : i have successfully used kermit (3.14) on a variety of p.c.s with both : serial and tcp/ip connections but this has me stumped. i'm trying to use : kermit on a gateway 2000 p75 with a 28.8k telepath fax modem. when i dial : into one particular server (which works fine with every other kermit i've : installed), it dials, starts the connection (i hear the other computer : answer, the tone changes, and then hangs at that tone/noise e.g. the : second tone), and then does nothing till i hit a key at which point i get : "no carrier". kermit works fine dialing other servers, but not the one i : most need. and i can sit there with a laptop next to me and dial into the : guilty server w/o a problem using kermit. : It has nothing to do with Kermit and everything to do with the particular combination of modems. : and perhaps related: i only seem to get a connection when i use 9600, : 28800, 38400, and 57600. setting the speed to 14400 and hitting connect : yields nothing (i.e. nothing i type is echoed on the screen). : See our faq: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt about trying to use 14400 as a connection speed. To make the connection work, you have to find modem settings (and usually not Kermit settings) that coerce the modems into working with each other. Normally, with modern modems, this is supposed to happen automatically in the negotiations that take place when the modems first make contact, but sometimes the negotiations fail or (worse) seem to succeed when they shouldn't have. Get out your modem manual(s) and read, in particular, about the modulation and error-correction selections, especially fallback. One possible explanation is that one modem has been told not to fall back and the other is falling back, and so they lose the ability to talk to each other. Usually the best course is to use the modem's defaults for everything, which generally allow all options and fallbacks to be negotiated, and don't disallow anything. But everything depends on the particular modem. And some modems are just plain buggy -- or worse: some modems are lacking certain essential features; see our FAQ about RPI modems, and the recent discussion on this newsgroup. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 11:05:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA09636 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA08960 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!not-for-mail From: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 13:59:55 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 29 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kocrsw06.delcoelect.com I have been using Kermit 3.14 with a Practical Peripherals 28.8 external modem on a Gateway PC and 16550A card. I use the official PPI.SCR init file and all works well. I usually connect to my ISP at 26400. Over the last few days I've been getting more 28.8 connects, and I have noticed a pause problem which *may be* Kermit related. Basically the modem stops responding for a few seconds during interactive use. What makes it interesting is that (a) it just started happening, and (b), when I type stuff I do not see the modem's lights acknowledging. After a few seconds it comes back. If I type ctrl-] C and C again it usually clears itself up (which is why I wonder if Kermit is doing things) This happens only while editing text with Pico :-) so far and always while typing text. (not while reading or file transferring. In a sense it reminds me of an older problem with Kermit on VMS a while back on 3.13. What would be a good way to investigate this further? I'd like to find out during a pause if kermit is indeed receiving and passing my stuff to the modem (whatever I type is buffered and is eventually passed on) but the modem itself has choked, or if kermit is not responding. Any hints would be appreciated! Thanks! Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322) Corporate Software Technology Email: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 11:13:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA10996 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA09093 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 11:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 15:13:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: : I have been using Kermit 3.14 with a Practical Peripherals 28.8 external : modem on a Gateway PC and 16550A card. I use the official PPI.SCR : init file and all works well. I usually connect to my ISP at 26400. : : Over the last few days I've been getting more 28.8 connects, and I have : noticed a pause problem which *may be* Kermit related. Basically the : modem stops responding for a few seconds during interactive use. : : What makes it interesting is that (a) it just started happening, and : (b), when I type stuff I do not see the modem's lights acknowledging. : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 13:32:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA05609 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11362 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit: record (learn) macro? Date: 31 Jul 1996 01:03:55 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 56 Message-ID: <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] In my dos com program I was able to dial and login to my unix shell account and all could be recorded in a macro file which I could later execute. So the whole macro would automatically be created. Can I do this in ckermit? The script language looks Greek to me and doing something like this really helps learn the macro language fast and to the specific needs of the individual. The closest sample macro I seen in the docs to what I want to do is the sample script below, but I hesitate to use it because it's not commented and I really don't know what's going on in some of the steps, also, I'd have to add something like "DIAL MYISP" to the macro. Anyone have a sample unix shell account dial in script? Thanks -Tony --- this is the closest thing to a unix shell account dial-in macro I saw --- COMMENT - UNIXLOGIN macro. Arguments: ; \%1 = user ID ; \%2 = password ; def UNIXLOGIN if < \v(argc) 2 end 1 Usage: \%0 userid password,- if eq \fcode(\%2) 32 asg \%2 \fsubst(\%2,2), - while not def \%2 { - askq \%2 { \%1's password: } - },- set parity none,- set duplex full,- set handshake none,- set case on,- out \13,- set input timeout proceed,- for \%i 1 15 1 { - in 5 login:,- if success goto DOLOGIN,- output \\B - },- end 1 No login prompt,- :DOLOGIN,- out \%1\13,- inp 5 Password:,- if fail end 1 No password prompt,- out \%2\13,- def \%2,- if not def \%3 asg \%3 {\13\10$ },- inp 60 \%3,- if fail end 1 No system prompt,- echo, echo Login successful. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 13:47:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07140 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA11551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: record (learn) macro? Date: 31 Jul 1996 17:47:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <4to678$482@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com>, Tony Gonzalez wrote: : In my dos com program I was able to dial and login to my unix shell account : and all could be recorded in a macro file which I could later execute. So : the whole macro would automatically be created. Can I do this in ckermit? : No, sorry. : The script language looks Greek to me and doing something like this really : helps learn the macro language fast and to the specific needs of the : individual. : We might add learned scripts in a future release, but there are a lot of items on our to-do list and that one is fairly far down. Learned scripts are not all they are cracked up to be; the program that is creating them does not necessarily know what you know. There is no substitute for human intelligence. : The closest sample macro I seen in the docs to what I want to do is : the sample script below, but I hesitate to use it because it's not : commented and I really don't know what's going on in some of the steps, : also, I'd have to add something like "DIAL MYISP" to the macro. : : Anyone have a sample unix shell account dial in script? : The one that you enclosed is the one most people are using: : COMMENT - UNIXLOGIN macro. Arguments: : ; \%1 = user ID : ; \%2 = password : The construction of this macro, and of macros and scripts in general, is the topic of three chapters of the manual, "Using C-Kermit". Please consult the manual. A couple brief hints: INPUT waits for the given text to appear within the given number of seconds. IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE are used to test whether it did or not. OUTPUT sends the as if you had typed it. \13 is carriage return, \%x, where x is any letter or digit, is a variable. See the manual for the rest. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 15:55:57 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA26262 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA13712 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 15:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!nntp1.jpl.nasa.gov!news.magicnet.net!news.cdsnet.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-3.sprintlink.net!emngw1.eastman.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!new-news.sprintlink.net!newsreader.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-200.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-stk-11.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!news-in.tiac.net!news-old.tiac.net!usenet From: David Scollo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit subshell command exit status Date: 31 Jul 1996 18:45:22 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4to9k2$sgk@news-old.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccraft.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.22 (Windows; I; 32bit) Is there a way to have a kermit script determine the exit status of a command executed using the ! operator? The \v(exitstatus) variable does not seem to provide this. I am running C-Kermit ver 5a/189 under SCO UNIX and XENIX. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 16:24:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA29366 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14228 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit subshell command exit status Date: 31 Jul 1996 20:24:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4tofe0$7oa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4to9k2$sgk@news-old.tiac.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4to9k2$sgk@news-old.tiac.net>, David Scollo wrote: : Is there a way to have a kermit script determine the exit : status of a command executed using the ! operator? The : \v(exitstatus) variable does not seem to provide this. : \v(exitstatus) is C-Kermit's own exit status, which is built up over time in various ways. : I am running C-Kermit ver 5a/189 under SCO UNIX and XENIX. : The current version is 5A(190), and version 6.0 is in Beta. In version 6.0, the \v(status) variable is supposed to contain the exit status code of the child process, and IF SUCCESS / IF FAILURE should work after RUN/! commands too. You are welcome to test this. Follow the links on our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Send reports (good or bad) to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 16:56:28 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04743 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14764 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 16:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!news.sgi.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!bcm.tmc.edu!news.uth.tmc.edu!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!wlbr!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!not-for-mail From: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 17:34:03 GMT Organization: Delco Electronics Corp. Lines: 23 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: kocrsw06.delcoelect.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time that : you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe your : ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. [Turns towards Columbia, kneels to floor, and proclaims: "We are not worthy!"] This started happening when the ISP started using new modems (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? Thanks again! Spiros -- Spiros Triantafyllopoulos Kokomo, IN 46902 (317) 451-0815 (8-322) Corporate Software Technology Email: c23st@eng.delcoelect.com Delco Electronics Corporation URL: http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~strianta/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 31 17:28:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08562 for ; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA15295 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 31 Jul 1996 21:27:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen : : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy : : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling : : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting : : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time : : that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe : : your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. : : This started happening when the ISP started using new modems : (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections : and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information : (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? : We have to expect this kind of problem periodically (with an ever diminishing period) as modem makers fall all over themselves to outdo each other. Before standard X even settles down, the market is already flooded with modems that implement "X+" or "Turbo-X". But since "X+" (in this case, V.34+) is not defined by any standard, implementations of it in -- and reactions *to* it by -- modems from different makers are likely to vary. There's nothing that Kermit can do about it. You have to dig into your modem manual and find the commands that enable those things that work on this particular connection, and disable those things that do not. If you only call this one place, then save the configuration in your modem as a "profile" or something, whatever your modem offers in this area. If you call different places, define Kermit macros for installing appropriate groups of settings in the modem for calling each place. On a philosophical note: I think we can expect computing and networking in all their forms to become increasingly chaotic, and our interactions with them to become increasingly time-consuming and aggravating. No product will live long enough to reach stability -- each will be quickly rendered obsolete by something new that is even more complicated and less stable. Each new thing will be sold at a lower margin so as to crush the competition, and so less time and money will be spent on engineering, testing, and verification. Eventually products themselves will become completely useless and will disappear from the scene entirely, leaving only marketing :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 03:10:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA10055 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA25236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 03:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newscaster-1.mcast.net!informatik.uni-bremen.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!uni-duisburg.de!news.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de!cepin From: cepin@uni-duesseldorf.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Programs for MAC Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 06:47:34 +0100 Organization: Heinrich Heine Universitaet Duesseldorf Lines: 8 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: modem9.rz.uni-duesseldorf.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b13 Hi! Can anybody tell me which Program is best to establish a connection between my Mac and a Unix-machine using KERMIT Protocol? Thx in advance Andy From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 11:55:36 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA08565 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA23028 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 11:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Programs for MAC Date: 1 Aug 1996 15:55:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4tqk14$jq9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : Can anybody tell me which Program is best to establish a connection : between my Mac and a Unix-machine using KERMIT Protocol? : Macintosh Kermit is our (only) Kermit program for the Macintosh. It works only on serial connections. It is not fully developed or well maintained, due to a lack of Macintosh programmers. You can find it in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/mac/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 18:51:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA09351 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA00522 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!newsgate.duke.edu!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!stealth.ucdavis.edu!ray From: ray@vmdean.ucdavis.edu (Ray Tai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Extra linefeeds in W95? Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 15:50:05 LOCAL Organization: UC Davis Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: stealth.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] I just received the W95 version of Kermit. When I tried uploading a text file from a PC, an extra linefeed appeared in the remote file. Setting the end-of-line char to lf or crlf produced the same result. What might have caused this? BTW, this problem did not appear in any of the MS-DOS based versions of kermit that I have used. Does anybody have a clue as to why I am having this problem w/ W95? Any comments is greatly appreciated. Ray Tai UC Davis SMTP: rytai@ucdavis.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 1 19:01:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA10390 for ; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA00719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 1 Aug 1996 19:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Extra linefeeds in W95? Date: 1 Aug 1996 23:01:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4trd06$168@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ray Tai wrote: : I just received the W95 version of Kermit. When I tried uploading a text : file from a PC, an extra linefeed appeared in the remote file. Setting : the end-of-line char to lf or crlf produced the same result. What might : have caused this? : : BTW, this problem did not appear in any of the MS-DOS based versions of : kermit that I have used. : : Does anybody have a clue as to why I am having this problem w/ W95? : Any comments is greatly appreciated. : Text files in Windows and DOS have lines that end with carriage return and linefeed. Text files in UNIX have lines that end with only linefeed. Kermit software does the conversion if you tell it to transfer the file in text mode: set file type text or simply: text or push the appropriate button on the File Transfer notebook page on your Dialer entries. The default transfer mode in Kermit 95 is binary, unlike C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit, because most Windows users are transferring ZIP files, GIF files, JPEG files, and the like, rather than plain-text files, which are virtually unknown in Windows 95. Whenever there are more ways than one to do something, there must be a default way that is used in the absence of specific instructions, and the default always winds up being wrong for some people. But note that it is much easier to fix an unconverted text file than a "converted" binary file. If you want to change Kermit 95's default transfer mode to text, put: set file type text at the bottom of your K95CUSTOM.INI file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 00:47:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA12591 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA06801 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 00:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!paperboy.wellfleet.com!news3.near.net!news.ner.bbnplanet.net!forest!pcoen From: pcoen@forest.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: \fconvert, ask, and K95/C-Kermit Message-ID: <1996Aug1.132834.144225@forest> Date: 1 Aug 96 13:28:34 EST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 26 I've been messing with \fconvert in order to avoid the C-Kermit/K95 slash problem with directory names, and it's 99.9% working the way I'd want. Except . . . assuming there was an ask line to assign a value to \%n, and the user typed in C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT, the following line: ask \%a {\fcontents(\%n) already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): } produces: C:DSTEST.TXT already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): In the actual file, the above is all on one line, by the way. As far as I can tell, other character string functions, such as \freverse, work the way I'd expect in this situation -- if I used \freverse, I'd end up with TXT.TSETSD:C on the screen. I tried it without the {}, and that didn't make a difference. I can't find anything odd about ASK prompts in Using C-Kermit, or about \fconvert. Is the prompt for ask a special case where I shouldn't be expecting \fconvert to work? It doesn't in C-Kermit for OS/2 either. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 07:29:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22929 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA02219 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 07:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!csulb.edu!info.ucla.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netnews.worldnet.att.net!cbgw2.att.com!oucsboss!oak.cats.ohiou.edu!rc109092 From: rc109092@oak.cats.ohiou.edu (Richard Allen Coss) Subject: script command line question X-Nntp-Posting-Host: oak.cats.ohiou.edu (rc109092) Message-ID: Sender: news@boss.cs.ohiou.edu (News Admin) X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Thu Aug 1 14:46:45 1996 Organization: Ohio University C.S. Dept, Athens Date: Thu, 1 Aug 1996 18:46:47 GMT Lines: 9 I'm executing a C-kermit script via the -C command line option however the command I wish to execute with in my script contain commas. kermit interprets this as a separation between commands. I've tried using ~, and \, but to no avail. I haven't seen any documentation on how to remedy my problem. Does anyone know I how to solve this one? -- you win From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 09:48:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA05847 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04590 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!nntp.coast.net!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!netnews.com!news.dx.net!news.accessus.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-chi-8.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!news From: mbaucom@vnet.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Progress indicator while "transmitting" a file? Date: Thu, 01 Aug 1996 22:48:42 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3201340f.248481415@news.vnet.net> References: <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net> <4tnma0$rng@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: vts-char2-s12.vnet.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 On 31 Jul 1996 13:15:44 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <31fe977a.77287934@news.vnet.net>, >Milton A. Baucom wrote: >: When transmitting a file with the transmit command, the only progress >: indicator appears to be letting the file contents echo to the screen. >: >: Does there exist some sort of switch so I can get dots or equivalent? >: I'd rather not see the file scroll by. >: >You can SET TRANSMIT ECHO OFF to not see the file scroll by, but presently >there is no other progress indicator. Thank you for your reply. Perhaps this feature could be included in a future release? MAB --------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom | Hot Doughnuts Now! mbaucom@vnet.net | -- Krispy Kreme From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 09:51:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06139 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04668 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4tsbar$3l1@crl.crl.com> Control: cancel <4tsbar$3l1@crl.crl.com> Date: 2 Aug 1996 00:52:15 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4tsc3g$3vv@crl.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Article cancelled from within tin [v1.2 PL2] From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 10:43:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA13742 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: \fconvert, ask, and K95/C-Kermit Date: 2 Aug 1996 14:42:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4tt456$eip@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Aug1.132834.144225@forest> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Aug1.132834.144225@forest>, Paul Coen wrote: : I've been messing with \fcontents in order to avoid the C-Kermit/K95 slash : problem with directory names, and it's 99.9% working the way I'd want. : : Except . . . : : assuming there was an ask line to assign a value to \%n, and the user : typed in C:\DOCS\TEST.TXT, the following line: : : ask \%a {\fcontents(\%n) already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? : (Y,N,END): } : : produces: : : C:DSTEST.TXT already exists -- Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): : Don't you hate it that backslash is Kermit's command-language distinguished character AND the DOS directory separator? It makes life so much more interesting. : As far as I can tell, other character string functions, such as \freverse, : work the way I'd expect in this situation -- if I used \freverse, I'd end : up with TXT.TSETSD:C on the screen. : : I tried it without the {}, and that didn't make a difference. : : I can't find anything odd about ASK prompts in Using C-Kermit, or about : \fcontents. Is the prompt for ask a special case where I shouldn't be : expecting \fconvert to work? It doesn't in C-Kermit for OS/2 either. : You're right: echo OK to overwrite \fcontents(\%n)? works OK, but: ask \%a OK to overwrite \fcontents(\%n)? behaves differently. This will need fixing. Thanks for pointing out the problem. In the meantime, one workaround would be: echo \fcontents(\%n) already exists. ask \%a {Do you wish to overwrite it? (Y,N,END): } Another one, far less obvious one, is: ask \%a {OK to overwrite \freplace(\fcontents(\%n),\\,\\\\)? } Meanwhile, let's hear it for whoever invented the DOS 2.0 file system and whimsically decided it would be just like the UNIX one, except with the slashes turned around :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 10:46:47 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14222 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05586 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 10:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script command line question Date: 2 Aug 1996 14:46:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4tt4c3$elv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Richard Allen Coss wrote: : I'm executing a C-kermit script via the -C command line option : however the command I wish to execute with in my script contain commas. : kermit interprets this as a separation between commands. I've tried : using ~, and \, but to no avail. I haven't seen any documentation on : how to remedy my problem. Does anyone know I how to solve this one? : Usually it can be solved by using braces for grouping, as in: kermit -C "echo { one, two, three }, exit" - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 12:33:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA00635 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07291 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!bounce-bounce From: leal@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu (william leal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Keys Date: 2 Aug 1996 11:30:00 -0400 Organization: The Ohio State University, Department of Computer and Information Science Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu My apologies if this isn't the right group. I'm needing to access a server app via PPP under Win 3.1, but it's geared to receive the Kermit function keys. Since (apparently) I can't get Kermit to run over a PPP connection, what I'd like to do is modify my PPP terminal app (NetTerm) to generate the same codes Kermit does when I press the keyboard function keys. I've poked around and can't seem to find out just what codes are generated. Any ideas where to look? Or other suggestions so solve my problem? Thanks. Bill. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 12:50:22 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA02841 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA07521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 12:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Keys Date: 2 Aug 1996 16:50:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <4ttbjo$hkk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu>, william leal wrote: : I'm needing to access a server app via PPP under Win 3.1, but it's : geared to receive the Kermit function keys. Since (apparently) I can't : get Kermit to run over a PPP connection, what I'd like to do is modify : my PPP terminal app (NetTerm) to generate the same codes Kermit does : when I press the keyboard function keys. : The sequences sent by Kermit when you press function keys depend on how the function keys are defined, which in turn depends on which version of Kermit you are using, which kind of terminal you are emulating, and whether you have given any SET KEY commands. : I've poked around and can't : seem to find out just what codes are generated. Any ideas where to : look? : The manual? All the key codes and keyboard verbs, and their values, are listed in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit". See our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 15:07:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA23113 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA09729 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 15:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!in-news.erinet.com!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Keys Date: 2 Aug 1996 17:51:09 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4ttf6d$oaq@samba.rahul.net> References: <4tt6toINN8h4@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] william leal (leal@taxes.cis.ohio-state.edu) wrote: : my PPP terminal app (NetTerm) to generate the same codes Kermit does : when I press the keyboard function keys. I've poked around and can't There are no "Kermit" function keys, per se. You are emulating some terminal while connected. Your solution might be as simple as setting your new terminal emulation program to the same terminal type. If you have a kermit that was set up to work prior to the PPP requirement, go to the kermit prompt, and "show term". This should expose what terminal type is being emulated. You might also "show key", followed by pressing a function key, to see what kermit is sending. Kermit is very flexible, and can be programmed to send customized strings when a function key is pressed, but most likely you are sending standard terminal function keys. If there is some customization occurring, you should be able to find it in one of the .ini files in the directory where kermit.exe is located. Of course, you could upgrade to Win95 or WinNT, and run Kermit-95 via PPP. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 2 22:37:10 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA05765 for ; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA17364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 2 Aug 1996 22:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.netusa.net!venus.os.com!newsie.dmc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!brighton.openmarket.com!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl.crl.com!not-for-mail From: oak@crl.com (Tony Gonzalez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit: record (learn) macro? Date: 2 Aug 1996 01:00:26 -0700 Organization: CRL Network Services (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 9 Message-ID: <4tsciq$45e@crl.crl.com> References: <4tn41b$mqd@crl.crl.com> <4to678$482@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Thanks for the response Frank. The reason I've not bought the Manual is because I'm trying different com. programs out to see which one I'd like to use as my primary com. program. I think I have enough information now to get things started. Thanks. -Tony From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 3 08:30:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA01113 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA16313 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 08:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!orion.math.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 3 Aug 1996 12:30:11 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Lines: 5 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 3 11:30:34 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14364 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 3 Aug 1996 15:30:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tvra3$2fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? : OS/2 C-Kermit works over any kind of TCP/IP connection: Ethernet, Token-Ring, SLIP, PPP, wet string, you name it. Use it just as if it were any other Telnet client -- e.g. tell it to "telnet foo.bar.com". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 3 11:36:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16093 for ; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA19328 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 3 Aug 1996 11:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 3 Aug 1996 15:36:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4tvrln$2p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? Assuming you have already made your PPP connection, then just use C-Kermit's TELNET command to connect to your host. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 16:06:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA06794 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06032 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news1.erols.com!news.bconnex.net!news2.insinc.net!heracles.kosone.com!apollo.kosone.com!news From: rcpotter@kosone.com (Richard Potter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Linux Kermit to Wyse50 Host Questions Date: 4 Aug 1996 18:05:57 GMT Organization: Re/Max Loyalist Realty - Kingston Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4u2oq5$9do@apollo.kosone.com> Reply-To: rcpotter@kosone.com NNTP-Posting-Host: ki-ppp68.kosone.com X-Newsreader: Yarn 0.91 with YES 0.22 X-Mailer: uka_ppp 1.52 As a extra security measure, I have put a PC running Linux between our modem lines and our MUX unit. The concept is to have a modem answer on com1 (ttys0), which the login would have kermit connect to the host via com2 (cua1). The Host is running a wyse50 emulation, and I have set the logins TERM enviroment as wyse50 on the Linux box, but the emulation is still wrong. Do I have kermit configured wrong, or is this a termcap issue? My kermit line is: kermit -l /dev/cua1 -b 19200 -c Any help would be appreciated, this is my first use of kermit. Regards, _____ Richard Potter Kingston, Ontario Canada E-Mail:rcpotter@kosone.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 16:23:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08090 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06257 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux Kermit to Wyse50 Host Questions Date: 4 Aug 1996 20:22:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <4u30qi$lfg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u2oq5$9do@apollo.kosone.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u2oq5$9do@apollo.kosone.com>, Richard Potter wrote: : As a extra security measure, I have put a PC running Linux between our : modem lines and our MUX unit. The concept is to have a modem answer on : com1 (ttys0), which the login would have kermit connect to the host via : com2 (cua1). : : The Host is running a wyse50 emulation, and I have set the logins TERM : enviroment as wyse50 on the Linux box, but the emulation is still wrong. : : Do I have kermit configured wrong, or is this a termcap issue? : : My kermit line is: kermit -l /dev/cua1 -b 19200 -c : : Any help would be appreciated, this is my first use of kermit. : So in other words, after login C-Kermit is to provide a transparent pipe between com1 and com2. So terminal emulation and termcaps are completely irrelevant on the Linux system and to the copy of C-Kermit that is running on Linux. The *user's* terminal emulation (not Linux's) should be set to match the terminal type needed on the host, Wyse50 in this case. To ensure that C-Kermit on Linux provides a totally transparent pipe, you should (a) get the 6.0.192 Beta version from kermit.columbia.edu, and (b) have it execute the following command file: set modem type none set port /dev/cua1 set speed 19200 ; Or whatever set flow rts/cts ; Not Xon/Xoff set parity none ; No parity set term byte 8 ; 8-bit data set term character-set transparent ; No character-set translation set term apc off ; Be transparent to APC sequences set term autodownload off ; * Be transparent to Kermit packets set term escape disabled ; * No escape character set carrier on ; Close connection if carrier drops connect ; Start the connection exit ; Exit when it closes The commands marked with * are new to version 6.0. You'll need SET TERM ESCAPE DISABLED to make the connection transparent to ALL control characters, rather than to all of them except one, which is important if you want to allow XYZMODEM transfers between the user and the host, or you need the Ctrl-\ character passed through transparently for any other reason. Then you have to make sure that the host switches off the carrier (CD) signal when the user logs out, because that's the only way Linux will get control of the port back. So say the above file is /usr/local/kermit/connect, start Kermit this way: kermit /usr/local/kermit/connect - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 16:25:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA08309 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA06303 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!gaia.ns.utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 1 Aug 1996 21:18:57 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5712 comp.os.os2.comm:8598 Hi, I have C-Kermit 5A(191) running under OS/2 as telnet replacement and am very happy with it as long as I connect to UNIX boxes and VAXes. Once in a while I telnet into other OS/2 machines, and that is where the fun is gone: I can't use arrow keys on the command line, can't use home/end/ ... keys, can't use function keys. So, command line editing is a pain. I can use these keys, once I am in an app (say, vi or vim or so), but compiling in another, idle machine is not very much fun when I have to type the same stuff all the time again instead of recalling the last command. I was blaming it mistakenly on OS/2s poor terminal emulation, and a few days ago, when I set up another Warp Connect box I got a surprise: With the plain Warp telnet I can telnet into another OS/2 box and use it's command line as if I was there! For now I have copied the original telnet.exe onto otelnet.exe and use this between OS/2 machines, but I was wondering whether there is a way to tell Ckermit for OS/2 to give me the same ease of use. I do miss the scrollback buffer for instance, in the original telnet. The same holds when I telnet from my UNIX box into my OS/2 box (even though I think that that may not be only relted to Ckermit. ANyway, I still can't use all arrow keys and such. Any pointers are appreciated! Stefan -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 4 22:14:07 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA15940 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA11733 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 4 Aug 1996 22:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 5 Aug 1996 02:13:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5713 comp.os.os2.comm:8606 In article <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Hi, : I have C-Kermit 5A(191) running under OS/2 as telnet replacement : and am very happy with it as long as I connect to UNIX boxes and VAXes. : Once in a while I telnet into other OS/2 machines, and that is where the : fun is gone: : I can't use arrow keys on the command line, can't use home/end/ ... : keys, can't use function keys. So, command line editing is a pain. : I can use these keys, once I am in an app (say, vi or vim or so), : but compiling in another, idle machine is not very much fun when I have to : type the same stuff all the time again instead of recalling the last : command. I was blaming it mistakenly on OS/2s poor terminal emulation, : and a few days ago, when I set up another Warp Connect box I got a surprise: : With the plain Warp telnet I can telnet into another OS/2 box and use : it's command line as if I was there! : : For now I have copied the original telnet.exe onto otelnet.exe and use : this between OS/2 machines, but I was wondering whether there is a way : to tell Ckermit for OS/2 to give me the same ease of use. I do miss the : scrollback buffer for instance, in the original telnet. : : The same holds when I telnet from my UNIX box into my OS/2 box (even though I : think that that may not be only relted to Ckermit. ANyway, I still can't use : all arrow keys and such. : : Any pointers are appreciated! Stefan Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard record their values. When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the sequence you want sent. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 12:38:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA19991 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA15236 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!evarts From: evarts@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Maxwell E Evarts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: New Unix WP 5.1 keymap for K95 Date: 5 Aug 1996 16:38:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4u581c$30o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Summary: Replacement to WP51.INI in K95 distribution Keywords: Kermit 95 keymap Just a note to inform Kermit 95 users that a new keymap file is available for folks using Kermit 95 to run host-based WordPerfect 5.1 on Unix. The original WP51.INI file the KEYMAPS directory of the was actually for version 5.0 of WP on either Unix or VMS and did not work properly with WP 5.1. Both WP INI files are now available for download via ftp as: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/wp50.ini ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/wp51.ini Note that we don't have *any* host-based WordPefect here, so both of these are untested. Feedback and fixes are welcome. - Max Evarts The Kermit Project +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= Maxwell Evarts evarts@columbia.edu Kermit Distribution +1 (212) 854-3703 Columbia University - AcIS Fax: +1 (212) 663-8202 From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 16:12:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA19171 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA18705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 16:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tera.mcom.com!news.Stanford.EDU!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!dogwood3!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Date: 5 Aug 1996 15:08:05 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 91 Message-ID: <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: sad@utk.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: dogwood3.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5715 comp.os.os2.comm:8624 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, : Deutscher wrote: : : Hi, : : I have C-Kermit 5A(191) running under OS/2 as telnet replacement : : and am very happy with it as long as I connect to UNIX boxes and VAXes. : : Once in a while I telnet into other OS/2 machines, and that is where the : : fun is gone: : : I can't use arrow keys on the command line, can't use home/end/ ... : : keys, can't use function keys. So, command line editing is a pain. : : I can use these keys, once I am in an app (say, vi or vim or so), : : but compiling in another, idle machine is not very much fun when I have to : : type the same stuff all the time again instead of recalling the last : : command. I was blaming it mistakenly on OS/2s poor terminal emulation, : : and a few days ago, when I set up another Warp Connect box I got a surprise: : : With the plain Warp telnet I can telnet into another OS/2 box and use : : it's command line as if I was there! : : : : For now I have copied the original telnet.exe onto otelnet.exe and use : : this between OS/2 machines, but I was wondering whether there is a way : : to tell Ckermit for OS/2 to give me the same ease of use. I do miss the : : scrollback buffer for instance, in the original telnet. : : : : The same holds when I telnet from my UNIX box into my OS/2 box (even though I : : think that that may not be only relted to Ckermit. ANyway, I still can't use : : all arrow keys and such. : : : : Any pointers are appreciated! Stefan : Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. It seems that requires to kill the IBM tcp/ip telnetd process ? If I don't I get an error message: [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * Sorry, can't open connection: *:23 So I killed telnetd.exe and then typed [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * Waiting for a TCP/IP connection on port 23 ... Then I started the IBM telnet, telnetting into my own machine, and it gave me a Connected to : beta.phys.utk.edu Escape character is '^]' and there it sits since. No login prompt, nothing anymore. (I am using loginunx.exe instead of login.exe, but I also replaced it with login.exe and still nothing goes). Interesting enough, the ckermit instance that is acting as the telnet server just gave me back its prompt: [D:\TMP] C-Kermit> Am I missing something? As I type quit on the server command prompt the telnet session also gets closed. When I then completely exit ckermit and try to retart telnetd.exe I get another error message: [D:\tcpip\bin]telnetd.exe Bind(): Address already in use even though I did close ckermit. Quite odd. : Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. : While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard : record their values. Well, I never got here, alas! : When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the : sequence you want sent. I hope I get it set up, because that might also allow me to telnet into the OS/2 machine from UNIX cleanly (or would that require a different terminal termcap entry on the unix side, where I use the normal unix telnet)? Can ckermit, in telnet server mode, be set up to do the key mapping locally, say, depending on the incoming connection? Am I really the only one who wants to do this kind of thing? Cheers! Stefan ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 17:54:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA05520 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA20364 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 17:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!dogwood3!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit with PPP? Date: 5 Aug 1996 15:10:14 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4u52sm$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tvgoj$24l@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dogwood3.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Adam H. Lewenberg (adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu) wrote: : Is there a way to use OS/2 C-Kermit over a PPP connection? It would seem so. ( Warning: I haven't done it yet.) Just install C-Kermit _after_ you have installed the IBM IAK / tcp/ip stuff, and it will see it and ask whether you want to use the tcp/ip connection. For more type 'update' on the ckermit prompt, it is being discussed there in some detail, I believe. Stefan : -- : University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics : INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 5 20:40:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25823 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23010 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 20:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 6 Aug 1996 00:40:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 93 Message-ID: <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5717 comp.os.os2.comm:8630 In article <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. : : It seems that requires to kill the IBM tcp/ip telnetd process ? Yes it does. You can only have one program listening on a given port, in this case 23, at a time. : If I don't : I get an error message: : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * : Sorry, can't open connection: *:23 : : So I killed telnetd.exe and then typed : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * : Waiting for a TCP/IP connection on port 23 ... : : Then I started the IBM telnet, telnetting into my own machine, and it gave : me a : : Connected to : beta.phys.utk.edu : Escape character is '^]' : : and there it sits since. Its not sitting there, it is connected to Kermit. But Kermit is doing anything. : No login prompt, nothing anymore. (I am using : loginunx.exe instead of login.exe, but I also replaced it with login.exe : and still nothing goes). Interesting enough, the ckermit instance that : is acting as the telnet server just gave me back its prompt: : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit> Correct behavior. Now type CONNECT. : Am I missing something? As I type quit on the server command prompt : the telnet session also gets closed. What "server", you mean the C-Kermit prompt? "Quit" tells Kermit to hangup the connection, and quit. : When I then completely exit ckermit : and try to retart telnetd.exe I get another error message: : : [D:\tcpip\bin]telnetd.exe : Bind(): Address already in use : : even though I did close ckermit. Quite odd. That's a known bug in Kermit 5a(191). : : Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. : : While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard : : record their values. : : Well, I never got here, alas! Yes, you did. When you get the C-Kermit prompt, enter CONNECT mode. Then use Alt-D to enter Debug mode. Then follow my instructions from the previous note. : : When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the : : sequence you want sent. : : I hope I get it set up, because that might also allow me to telnet into : the OS/2 machine from UNIX cleanly (or would that require a different : terminal termcap entry on the unix side, where I use the normal unix : telnet)? This would require a Unix Keymap. : Can ckermit, in telnet server mode, be set up to do the key mapping locally, : say, depending on the incoming connection? C-Kermit is not a Telnet server. It is a client that can accept incoming connections on the Telnet port (23). : Am I really the only one who wants to do this kind of thing? No, but OS/2, Windows 95, Windows NT, ... are client operating systems and are not designed to allow wholesale redirection of their keyboard and video consoles to a remote connection. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 03:51:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA03659 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA00470 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 03:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu (HK) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT100 query codes? Date: 6 Aug 1996 05:09:54 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 12 Message-ID: <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Reply-To: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-96-16.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to dial in to my work and run a login script. During the dialog between the host and client, the host pauses a bit as it queries the terminal type. It then responds that it cannot determine the terminal type. When I manually login in, however, it has no problem since I'm using the VT100 emulation. Does anyone know of the query codes that the host might be using and the codes that the script should respond with? Thanks, Hung Kang hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 10:56:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21102 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA26250 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 10:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 query codes? Date: 6 Aug 1996 14:56:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4u7meo$kvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, HK wrote: : I'm using C-Kermit for OS/2 to dial in to my work and run a login script. : During the dialog between the host and client, the host pauses a bit as it : queries the terminal type. It then responds that it cannot determine the : terminal type. When I manually login in, however, it has no problem since : I'm using the VT100 emulation. : : Does anyone know of the query codes that the host might be using and : the codes that the script should respond with? : As documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", pages 285-289, your script needs to look for the terminal-type query and respond appropriately. The escape sequences are shown in the table on page 264. If you don't have your manual handy, you can also look in your own CKERMIT.INI file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 13:26:43 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA12243 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA28668 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 13:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!malgudi.oar.net!hyperion.wright.edu!echoes.wittenberg.edu!bob.wittenberg.edu!mandrews From: mandrews@bob.Wittenberg.EDU (Mike Andrews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 - detecting presense of Windows in a script? Date: 6 Aug 96 13:08:52 GMT Organization: Wittenberg University, Springfield OH Lines: 20 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: bob.wittenberg.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #8 (NOV) Simple question: Is there any way to have a MS-Kermit 3.14 (or the 3.15 test version) script tell if Windows (3.11) is running without running an external utility of some sort? We have a few cases where we have Windows for Workgroups machines with Microsoft's TCP stack installed... but still need Kermit for when Windows isn't running since our Windows telnet application won't do Tektronix. (We're using DIS_PKT9.) Right now, of course, if you open a DOS window and try to run Kermit, it'll hang when a connection's made and the two stacks start to compete -- this is documented and expected. All I want to be able to do is have Kermit detect if Windows is running AND the current port is "tcp", then exit if it is. -- -- Mike Andrews - mandrews@wittenberg.edu, mandrews@termfrost.org (NeXT) -- Programmer/Analyst, systems/mail/web/netnews guy, Wittenberg University -- http://www.termfrost.org/~mandrews/ "why..." From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 15:23:42 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA28915 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.netusa.net!venus.os.com!newsie.dmc.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-10.sprintlink.net!nntp.coast.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!jcdbs.itsi.disa.mil!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!RacerX.mse.jhu.edu!news.jhu.edu!news Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem transferring to large disk Date: 5 Aug 1996 18:19:13 GMT Organization: The Johns Hopkins University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4u5dv1$8p1@news.jhu.edu> Reply-To: murthy@pha.jhu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: 128.220.26.213 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS I have a 4 GB partition and C-Kermit 191 for OS/2 will not transfer files to it. The error is rejected because of file size. I can transfer to my 500 MB C partition so I assume that 4GB is being read as a negative number. Is there a fix for this? Can I force Kermit to transfer anyhow? Thanks, Jayant ****************************************************** Jayant Murthy murthy@pha.jhu.edu * Dept. of Physics and Astronomy 410-516-7027 * The Johns Hopkins University * Baltimore, MD 21218-2695 * ****************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 15:33:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA01950 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA00774 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 15:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem transferring to large disk Date: 6 Aug 1996 19:33:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <4u86le$rgf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u5dv1$8p1@news.jhu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u5dv1$8p1@news.jhu.edu>, wrote: : I have a 4 GB partition and C-Kermit 191 for OS/2 will not : transfer files to it. The error is rejected because of file size. : I can transfer to my 500 MB C partition so I assume that 4GB is : being read as a negative number. Is there a fix for this? Can I : force Kermit to transfer anyhow? Well, there is an easy way to test your theory. What does the SPACE command report is the available size? A workaround should be to SET ATTRIBUTE SIZE OFF prior to the file transfer. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 6 19:17:55 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA04050 for ; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA04630 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 6 Aug 1996 19:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.ingress.net!news.mxol.com!news.tbcnet.com!news.nap.net!nntp04.primenet.com!news.shkoo.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.cais.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu (HK) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Control: cancel <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Date: 6 Aug 1996 20:20:33 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 1 Message-ID: <4u89eh$soo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-46-5.ots.utexas.edu Article cancelled from NR/2 From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 7 02:12:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA11406 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA12223 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!usenet From: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu (HK) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT100 query codes? Date: 6 Aug 1996 20:20:11 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4u89dr$soo@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> References: <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <4u7meo$kvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: hkang@utaphy.ph.utexas.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: slip-46-5.ots.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.9d - NLS In <4u7meo$kvb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu|, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |In article <4u6k32$roe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu|, |HK |: Does anyone know of the query codes that the host might be using and |: the codes that the script should respond with? |: |As documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", pages 285-289, your |script needs to look for the terminal-type query and respond appropriately. |The escape sequences are shown in the table on page 264. If you don't have |your manual handy, you can also look in your own CKERMIT.INI file. | |- Frank I found in the VT100 codes under VMSLOGIN. Thanks for the tip. HK From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 7 16:21:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA22574 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15431 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!op.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Date: 7 Aug 1996 18:53:05 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 128 Message-ID: <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5724 comp.os.os2.comm:8674 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : Setup Kermit for an incoming telnet connection. : : It seems that requires to kill the IBM tcp/ip telnetd process ? : Yes it does. You can only have one program listening on a given port, : in this case 23, at a time. Okay. : : So I killed telnetd.exe and then typed : : : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit>set host * : : Waiting for a TCP/IP connection on port 23 ... : : : : Then I started the IBM telnet, telnetting into my own machine, and it gave : : me a : : : : Connected to : beta.phys.utk.edu : : Escape character is '^]' : : : : and there it sits since. : Its not sitting there, it is connected to Kermit. But Kermit is doing : anything. : : No login prompt, nothing anymore. (I am using : : loginunx.exe instead of login.exe, but I also replaced it with login.exe : : and still nothing goes). Interesting enough, the ckermit instance that : : is acting as the telnet server just gave me back its prompt: : : : : [D:\TMP] C-Kermit> : Correct behavior. Now type CONNECT. Okay, did that. : : Am I missing something? As I type quit on the server command prompt : : the telnet session also gets closed. : What "server", you mean the C-Kermit prompt? I was assuming that ckermit in server mode would act like a telnetd, but that seems to be not the case. : "Quit" tells Kermit to hangup the connection, and quit. Makes sense. : : When I then completely exit ckermit : : and try to retart telnetd.exe I get another error message: : : : : [D:\tcpip\bin]telnetd.exe : : Bind(): Address already in use : : : : even though I did close ckermit. Quite odd. : That's a known bug in Kermit 5a(191). Ah. Intersting enough, it releases the Address when one lets it sit for a while, I didn't have to reboot. : : : Telnet to it with IBM Telnet. : : : While in Kermit Terminal DEBUG mode, press each key on the IBM Telnet keyboard : : : record their values. : : : : Well, I never got here, alas! : Yes, you did. When you get the C-Kermit prompt, enter CONNECT mode. : Then use Alt-D to enter Debug mode. Okay, that worked now. However, it doesn't show anything I didn't know except that there is an escape before some codes (the debug mode in a normal telnet session would have done that, too). : Then follow my instructions from the previous note. : : : When you are done, use the Kermit SET KEY command to assign each key the : : : sequence you want sent. Now, this is the critical step: I now know that the keybard left arrow sends a \27[D and such. But how do I make the telnetd accept that. Did you ever try to telnet into an OS/2 machine from an os/2 machine using either the IBM telnet (which for some odd reason works) and the C-Kermit telnet (which chokes on these keys)? Is there some sort of ANSI terminal missing? (Eventhough, when telnetting into a fresh OS/2 Connect system, the terminal it reports is vt100). I am really confused! Cheers! Stefan : : : : I hope I get it set up, because that might also allow me to telnet into : : the OS/2 machine from UNIX cleanly (or would that require a different : : terminal termcap entry on the unix side, where I use the normal unix : : telnet)? : This would require a Unix Keymap. : : Can ckermit, in telnet server mode, be set up to do the key mapping locally, : : say, depending on the incoming connection? : C-Kermit is not a Telnet server. It is a client that can accept incoming : connections on the Telnet port (23). : : Am I really the only one who wants to do this kind of thing? : No, but OS/2, Windows 95, Windows NT, ... are client operating systems : and are not designed to allow wholesale redirection of their keyboard : and video consoles to a remote connection. : Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 : * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 : C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html : Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html -- ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 7 20:38:54 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA25446 for ; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA20367 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 7 Aug 1996 20:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 8 Aug 1996 00:38:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <4ubcu8$pj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5725 comp.os.os2.comm:8677 In article <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, Deutscher wrote: : Now, this is the critical step: : : I now know that the keybard left arrow sends a \27[D and such. : But how do I make the telnetd accept that. Did you ever try to : telnet into an OS/2 machine from an os/2 machine using either the IBM : telnet (which for some odd reason works) and the C-Kermit telnet : (which chokes on these keys)? : : Is there some sort of ANSI terminal missing? (Eventhough, when telnetting : into a fresh OS/2 Connect system, the terminal it reports is vt100). What terminal type are you using when you telnet in with IBM telnet? What terminal type are you using when you use C-Kermit? After you telnet in with IBM Telnet, what is the TERM environment variable set to ? Have you tried setting the Kermit terminal type to ANSI? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 04:24:59 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA01583 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 04:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA29041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 04:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pier.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Date: 7 Aug 1996 00:47:34 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4u8p36$5u8@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u3lcq$rl5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pier.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5726 comp.os.os2.comm:8685 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >No, but OS/2, Windows 95, Windows NT, ... are client operating systems >and are not designed to allow wholesale redirection of their keyboard >and video consoles to a remote connection. Fortunately, if you're willing to ignore that, OS/2 and C-Kermit make quite a handy combination. I can use Kermit to telnet from my work computer (running Solaris) to my home PC (OS/2) and do most everything I want to do - read/send mail, check/post news, browse the Web, edit files. It's quite handy to be able to use an off-site computer (in another domain) for testing. --kyler From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 07:47:04 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA28115 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA21406 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 07:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 08 Aug 1996 10:46:43 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 26 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk This newsgroup is comp.PROTOCOLS.kermit.misc and yet very few of the questions here are actually questions about the Kermit protocol! When I did previously post one I did't get an answer (or rather didn't get an answer to the *protocol* question). Let's see if I can get a better answer this time. I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a control character. Is this a bug in MS kermit or should my implementation of the kermit mangle any backslashes in remote command arguments? If I should be mangling what rules should I be using? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 09:08:24 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA04716 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA22849 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 8 Aug 1996 13:07:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : This newsgroup is comp.PROTOCOLS.kermit.misc and yet very few of the : questions here are actually questions about the Kermit protocol! : The newsgroup name is... "historical". : I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a : filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown : implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts : to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if : any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume : this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a : control character. : Perhaps, but by whom? : Is this a bug in MS kermit or should my implementation of the kermit : mangle any backslashes in remote command arguments? If I should be : mangling what rules should I be using? : When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take the backslash literally. In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 8 09:24:29 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA06328 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA23042 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Date: 8 Aug 1996 13:24:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4ucppn$516@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u86pg$rib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:137213 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5729 In article , Michael Ritzert wrote: : : C-Kermit will not destroy Umlaute if you give it the proper instructions. : : Thanks for the advice. The problem is not on the C-Kermit : side; as far as i understand this, kermit acts only as an interface : between my terminal emulation (xterm) and /dev/modem. : : Strictly spoken, it is not even AIO, just WPSPLUS. I have set : almost all of the options You specified, and indeed, the Umlaute are : transmitted and displayed correctly. The only problem is wpsplus, and : it is quite delicate: wpsplus does display the umlaute correctly, : too. They can also be input. But upon correcting errors in paragraphs : or entering text into existing paragraphs, which causes automatic : reformatting of that paragraph, the umlaute are destroyed; and it is : not possible to enter umlaute into this paragraph any more. Other : paragraphs of the document are not affected. : So then the problem is indeed between WPSPLUS and your xterm, and the only solution is to use something other than xterm as your emulator. (The other possibility, of course, is that xterm is showing what a real VT terminal would show, and therefore WPSPLUS is broken, which could not be fixed by *any* emulator -- after all, there is a good chance that this software was written by an American who never even *saw* an Umlaut, unless they are a Mötley Crüe fan :-) I don't know if this is possible in Linux, but can you use MS-DOS Kermit in a dosemu window? MS-DOS Kermit has all the same character-set capabilities as C-Kermit, *and* it's a VT320 emulator. I'd be interested to hear the results. You won't be able to make TCP/IP connections with MS-DOS Kermit, since its built-in TCP/IP stack will conflict with Linux's, but you might be able to make serial connections -- that would be a pretty good test of your DOS emulator! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 9 14:15:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA05331 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA10803 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 09 Aug 1996 16:32:44 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 63 Message-ID: References: <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 8 Aug 1996 13:07:47 GMT In article <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , > wrote: >: I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a >: filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown >: implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts >: to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if >: any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume >: this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a >: control character. >: >Perhaps, but by whom? Well it's not my software and I very much doubt it's COMMAND.COM this leaves MS-KERMIT as the prime suspect. >When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit >server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the >backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take >the backslash literally. Oh no you don't! The *DOS* command interpreter does not treat backlashes as special. Unix ones do. It still seems odd to me that using the "*GENERIC* delete" command that the protocol would allow me to be affected by idiosyncracies of the host operating system's command interpreter. >In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. >Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: > > ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT > ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL > >As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. Here are the packets from an unsuccessful REMOTE DELETE operation: ^A- GE(T:\123.xG ^A, Ydel T:{.xK As you can see, the backslashes are not backslashes once MS-KERMIT has had it's way with them. Assuming the packets you showed me are for real, you are telling me by implication that I have found a bug in MS-KERMIT 3.14pl0 but that it's already fixed in the version you are using. In case you are wondering why I'm using pl0 rather than the latest patch level it's because I had some other problems with ARP in later versions. Indeed the problem appeared in exactly the patch level where the release notes said that an ARP bug had been fixed. In fact I've still having ARP problems so I think I'll try upgrading again. If the backslash bug is still in the later version I'll get back to you. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 9 14:32:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA08576 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA11070 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 9 Aug 1996 18:31:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : In article <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : >In article , : > wrote: : >: ...this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a : >: control character. : >: : >Perhaps, but by whom? : : Well it's not my software and I very much doubt it's COMMAND.COM this : leaves MS-KERMIT as the prime suspect. : Sorry -- evidently MS-DOS Kermit *did* do this, but it doesn't any more. : >When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit : >server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the : >backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take : >the backslash literally. : : Oh no you don't! The *DOS* command interpreter does not treat : backlashes as special. : I meant the Kermit command interpreter. : >In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. : >Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: : > : > ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT : > ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL : > : >As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. : : Here are the packets from an unsuccessful REMOTE DELETE operation: : : ^A- GE(T:\123.xG : ^A, Ydel T:{.xK : : As you can see, the backslashes are not backslashes once MS-KERMIT has : had it's way with them. : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. : Assuming the packets you showed me are for real, you are telling me by : implication that I have found a bug in MS-KERMIT 3.14pl0 but that it's : already fixed in the version you are using. : Right. : In case you are wondering why I'm using pl0 rather than the latest : patch level it's because I had some other problems with ARP in later : versions. Indeed the problem appeared in exactly the patch level : where the release notes said that an ARP bug had been fixed. In fact : I've still having ARP problems so I think I'll try upgrading again. : MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 is supposed to fix the ARP problems, so please let us know how it works for you. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 9 18:49:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA05049 for ; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA15263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news00.sunet.se!sunic!news99.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!news From: john-n-h@inet.uni-c.dk (John Normann Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keycodes and K95 Date: 6 Aug 1996 21:36:02 GMT Organization: Dolberg Data A/S Lines: 11 Message-ID: <4u8ds2$j6b@news.uni-c.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lgb186.ppp.uni-c.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.5 I have used Kermit 3.14 for some time and now I changed to K95. My problem know is that my old config file don't work anymore. This works fine in Kermit 3.14 set key \2320 \x0\x10 ;Alt Q But it seems as I can't put zero as the first char in K95, any sug.? Kind regards John Normann Burke-Hansen / john-n-h@inet.uni-c.dk From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 01:11:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA05714 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA21743 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 01:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keycodes and K95 Date: 10 Aug 1996 05:10:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4uh5k2$fcb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4u8ds2$j6b@news.uni-c.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4u8ds2$j6b@news.uni-c.dk>, John Normann Hansen wrote: : I have used Kermit 3.14 for some time and now I changed to K95. : My problem know is that my old config file don't work anymore. : : This works fine in Kermit 3.14 : : set key \2320 \x0\x10 ;Alt Q : : But it seems as I can't put zero as the first char in K95, any sug.? set key \2320 \Knull\x10 ;Alt Q What is this a key definition for? Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 02:52:32 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA13688 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA22956 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 02:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!gordius!news.service.uci.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Message-ID: <1996Aug9.211150.83787@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Aug 96 21:11:50 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > This newsgroup is comp.PROTOCOLS.kermit.misc and yet very few of the > questions here are actually questions about the Kermit protocol! > > When I did previously post one I did't get an answer (or rather didn't > get an answer to the *protocol* question). Let's see if I can get a > better answer this time. > > I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a > filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown > implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts > to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if > any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume > this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a > control character. > > Is this a bug in MS kermit or should my implementation of the kermit > mangle any backslashes in remote command arguments? If I should be > mangling what rules should I be using? --------- It's an artifact of the design in MSK v3.14 which handles \number interpretation. MSK v3.15 (in open testing) works around most such cases but I haven't double checked REM DEL and REM DIR. MSK 3.15 has a new internal design for working with numbers. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 06:08:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA09075 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA27653 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 06:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!citicorp.com!usenet From: Karoly Varadi Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.networks,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit documentation Date: Sat, 10 Aug 1996 12:06:03 -0700 Organization: Citicorp Lines: 7 Message-ID: <320CDD9B.436B@citicorp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: kvaradi-pc.bud.hu.citicorp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.networks:6783 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5735 I'd like to try programming a simple Telnet program with Kermit file transfer functionality. Does anybody know where I can look on the Internet to find source code or basic information on the Kermit protocol? regards From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 07:33:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA20589 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA16543 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 07:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in2.uu.net!news.gte.net!usenet From: kviper@gte.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where to find different terminal types? Date: 10 Aug 1996 08:34:25 GMT Organization: GTE Intelligent Network Services, GTE INS Lines: 5 Message-ID: <4uhhih$k6n@duey.gte.net> Reply-To: kviper@gte.net NNTP-Posting-Host: clw98148.gte.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.2.5 Looking for addsview90 emulation. Where does one go to find different terminal types? thanks, jeff From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 10:26:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03976 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA19252 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 10:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to find different terminal types? Date: 10 Aug 1996 14:26:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4ui66f$crg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4uhhih$k6n@duey.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4uhhih$k6n@duey.gte.net>, wrote: : Looking for addsview90 emulation. Where does one go to find different : terminal types? : It depends on which kind of computer and operating system you want the emulator to run on. From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 17:02:25 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18768 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!foxhound.dsto.gov.au!fang.dsto.defence.gov.au!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.com.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 10 Aug 1996 21:05:23 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the : kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. Any updates on msk315.exe? It still causes occasional reboots on receipt of vt100-style screen clearing codes on my machine which 3.14 never did. (Can send details by email). -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 10 17:19:05 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA20108 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA25608 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 10 Aug 1996 17:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 10 Aug 1996 21:18:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4uiubl$k6g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the : : kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. : : Any updates on msk315.exe? It still causes occasional reboots on receipt of : vt100-style screen clearing codes on my machine which 3.14 never did. : Not yet. Thanks to everybody who sent in testing reports. Two problems that were frequently reported were that the DIAL macro didn't work any more (a command-parsing problem) and the new MINPUT command didn't seem to work right. Watch this space for announcements of new test versions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 02:53:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA21385 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17951 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!sdd.hp.com!nobody From: maschue@sdd.hp.com (Sean Maschue) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I transfer a kermit file? Date: 11 Aug 1996 19:07:33 -0700 Organization: Center for Misogynistic Advancement, San Diego Division Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <4um3l5INNe9d@hpsdleb3.sdd.hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: hpsdleb3.sdd.hp.com Hello Kermits. I am interested in experimenting with using Kermit to transfer files to and from memory through a serial interface from a workstation to an embeded (i960) system. Where should can I look to find-out how to do this? Is there code available somewhere? Where can I find a protocol documentation for the kermit file transfer system? Thanks in advance for any information you might be able to share. Sean Maschue. maschue@sdd.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 04:55:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA00384 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA21427 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 04:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.wctc.net!chi-news.cic.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Message-ID: <1996Aug11.135538.83813@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Aug 96 13:55:38 MDT References: <4ug06b$21i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 In article <4uhs5r$kaa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : Right, sorry. This doesn't happen in version 3.15, now available in the > : kermit/test/bin directory as msk315.exe. > > Any updates on msk315.exe? It still causes occasional reboots on receipt of > vt100-style screen clearing codes on my machine which 3.14 never did. > > (Can send details by email). > > -- > Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 > arthur@dircsa.org.au ------------- There was a small pause of over a month while I attended to such matters as business trips and holiday. Now I have to catch up with that interval. I'd appreciate those details, direct to jrd@cc.usu.edu. Recall that MSK 3.15 will use extended (raw) memory for screen rollback (and screen clearing can add to the rollback buffer) if no expanded memory is available. Thus please check your system's memory management. Also please note that some RAM drive software is poor when it sits in extended memory rather than expanded memory; DOS 6.22 has such problems. Accumlated test reports are in my hands and almost all items have been "fixed" as of this weekend. As a bonus for folks sending in new bug reports (not old bugs, thanks) we will offer, free, DHCP support in the next test MSK 3.15. Operators are waiting for your reports. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 13:10:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07931 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!gateway.sequent.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Message-ID: <1996Aug12.084424.83830@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Aug 96 08:44:24 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 64 In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In article <4ucor3$4j5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>In article , >> wrote: >>: I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a >>: filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown >>: implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts >>: to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if >>: any of the components of the filename start with a digit. I assume >>: this is because the backslash-digit sequence is being interpreted as a >>: control character. >>: >>Perhaps, but by whom? > > Well it's not my software and I very much doubt it's COMMAND.COM this > leaves MS-KERMIT as the prime suspect. > >>When sending a server command from C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to a Kermit >>server that runs on a DOS-like file system, you have to double the >>backslashes in your commands, to force the *command interpreter* to take >>the backslash literally. > > Oh no you don't! The *DOS* command interpreter does not treat > backlashes as special. Unix ones do. It still seems odd to me that > using the "*GENERIC* delete" command that the protocol would allow me > to be affected by idiosyncracies of the host operating system's > command interpreter. > >>In the Kermit *protocol*, there is nothing special about backslashes. >>Here are the packets from a successful REMOTE DELETE operation: >> >> ^A1 GE,c:\tmp\123.xT >> ^A3 Ydel c:\tmp\123.xL >> >>As you can see, the backslashes are backslashes. > > Here are the packets from an unsuccessful REMOTE DELETE operation: > > ^A- GE(T:\123.xG > ^A, Ydel T:{.xK > > As you can see, the backslashes are not backslashes once MS-KERMIT has > had it's way with them. > > Assuming the packets you showed me are for real, you are telling me by > implication that I have found a bug in MS-KERMIT 3.14pl0 but that it's > already fixed in the version you are using. > > In case you are wondering why I'm using pl0 rather than the latest > patch level it's because I had some other problems with ARP in later > versions. Indeed the problem appeared in exactly the patch level > where the release notes said that an ARP bug had been fixed. In fact > I've still having ARP problems so I think I'll try upgrading again. > > If the backslash bug is still in the later version I'll get back to you. ----------- It's not a bug, it's a feature, as they say. There is just so much overloading of syntax that can be dealt with in a general way. MSK 3.14 has definite limits on the syntax, MSK 3.15 has relaxed the limits about as far as possible, so please do try v3.15/beta. Since you are also writing code you might appreciate the difficulties creating a parser and workers for the syntax. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 13:11:19 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA08160 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19426 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.ti.com!news.dseg.ti.com!exwin.dseg.ti.com!megee From: megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 12 Aug 1996 16:22:45 GMT Organization: Texas Instruments Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com> References: <4u86pg$rib@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4ucppn$516@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: exwin.dseg.ti.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:138255 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5743 I would like to add to the needs of this emulator that it support regis graphics like a vt241. I too am forced to interface with a vax but must do so via an ip network. Xterm doesn't support the regis graphics and launching a DECTERM back seems to lock my linux box. Any help? thanks, Robert -- ==================================================================== Breathe in and breathe out, | Robert Megee the rest is just fluff... | megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com ==================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 13:19:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA09283 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA19497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 13:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Date: 12 Aug 1996 17:19:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4unp2d$rkr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4ucppn$516@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:138257 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5744 In article <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com>, Robert Megee wrote: : I would like to add to the needs of this emulator that it support : regis graphics like a vt241. I too am forced to interface with a : vax but must do so via an ip network. Xterm doesn't support the : regis graphics and launching a DECTERM back seems to lock my linux : box. Any help? : No, sorry. No Kermit software can do ReGIS graphics. ReGIS is supported only by a handful of (usually very high-priced) commercial packages. MS-DOS Kermit can do Tektronix and Sixel graphics, but not ReGIS. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 14:25:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA19146 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA20501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 14:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-5.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-dc-2.sprintlink.net!news.voicenet.com!news2.noc.netcom.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.net.uk!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!cs.utk.edu!utk.edu!utkux4!sad From: sad@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Subject: Re: Telnet between OS/2 machines using C-Kermit problem. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.comm Date: 12 Aug 1996 16:31:18 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee Lines: 73 Message-ID: <4unm8m$2on@gaia.ns.utk.edu> References: <4tr701$jb8@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u52ol$sh@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4u649g$eo8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu> <4ubcu8$pj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: sad@utk.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: utkux4.utcc.utk.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5745 comp.os.os2.comm:8760 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <4uaomh$f3b@gaia.ns.utk.edu>, : Deutscher wrote: : : Now, this is the critical step: : : : : I now know that the keybard left arrow sends a \27[D and such. : : But how do I make the telnetd accept that. Did you ever try to : : telnet into an OS/2 machine from an os/2 machine using either the IBM : : telnet (which for some odd reason works) and the C-Kermit telnet : : (which chokes on these keys)? : : : : Is there some sort of ANSI terminal missing? (Eventhough, when telnetting : : into a fresh OS/2 Connect system, the terminal it reports is vt100). : What terminal type are you using when you telnet in with IBM telnet? Any. That means, normally I have my TERM environment variable set to either SOS3 or ansi_keep_attrib (which are handcrafted entries in my termcap.dat file, as needed for the vi clone elvis and for less and for man to do what I want), but even when I unset the TERM environment variable it still works with the IBM telnet. Once I am in I get in the telnet session a vt100 reported, and if I unset this one it still works. : What terminal type are you using when you use C-Kermit? vt220. I just switched it to vt100, and here came a surprise: At least the uparrow causes the last command to be repeated _exactly one time_, after that, it just shows the ESCAPE sequence that the uparrow sends. so: dir .. does what it should do .. brings up dir again .. invokes dir again .. shows only [A Command line editing (leftarrow ...) and OS/2 cmd history completion (start to type something and then hit F1) still won't work -- just the escape sequence shows up. I am telnetting into my own machine now, so no network problems are involved. : After you telnet in with IBM Telnet, what is the TERM environment variable : set to ? As mentioned above: vt100, but it doesn't seem to matter. : Have you tried setting the Kermit terminal type to ANSI? Yes. Apart form the screen background going black not much change; the arrow keys still send escape sequences, but the first escape ([) does not show anymore, only the letter after that. (e.g: in vt100 <- displays [D, in ANSI it diaplays only D.) Cheers! Stefan PS: Let me know if you wish to take this to email, it may be a bit too specific for a news group by now? ========================================================================== Stefan A. Deutscher, sad@utk.edu, (001)-423-[522-7845|974-7838|574-5897] home^ UTK^ ORNL^ ========================================================================== If there is software you'd like to have in a native version, visit the: OS/2 E-mail Campaign Page http://www.andrews.edu/~boyko/email.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 16:08:39 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA05427 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23665 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Second Test Version Date: 12 Aug 1996 20:08:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <4uo2vg$30m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu As always, from Joe Doupnik of Utah State University: Corrections to reported bugs in the first test version: o STOP string now properly displays the string. The DIAL command uses this syntax when the dialing script is not found. o SET PROMPT allows \numbers again. o INPUT single-byte no longer hangs in an infinite loop. o MINPUT {string} {another string} ... now properly recognizes each string. o \v(minput) now properly reports the index of the string matched by MINPUT. o Loss of modem Carrier Detect may now be recognized promptly during file transfers, but the changes are untested. Probably more work is needed. o \$(DOS Environment variable) now finds both uppercase and lower case variables, but not mixed case variables. Windows 3.1x creates variable "windir" in lower case, as can be observed within the DOS box, so this is a way for MS-DOS Kermit to check whether it is running under Windows 3.x. Additional features: o \fchecksum(string) yields the decimal value of the 32-bit unsigned sum of the code values of each byte in string, e.g. \fcheck(ABCD) = 266. o SET TCP ADDRESS has new option, DHCP, as a synomym for BOOTP. o SET TCP ADDRESS DHCP or BOOTP both try DHCP negotiation and accept the first response of possibly many, whether DHCP or Bootp responses. Special note for users of Novell's DHCPSRVR.NLM server v2.0: use SET TCP BROADCAST 255.255.255.255 to avoid a bug in that server which is triggered by using a directed broadcast address. Question on a requested enhancement: TCP/IP SOCKS support requires a choice of authentication mechanism. People asking for SOCKS support need to tell us which mechanism they require since one needs to be written into the code. The two choices are no authentication and plaintext username/password, neither of which provides any security, and the latter is a big security hole. It's available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file msk315.zip. The ZIP file contains two files, the binary executable program MSK315.EXE, and a short plain-text document, MSK315.DOC, describing the changes since version 3.14. Please send bug reports and SOCKS suggestions by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 12 18:28:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA24626 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA25724 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!news.be.innet.net!INbe.net!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!oleane!in2p3.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!howland.erols.net!swrinde!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!mongol.sasknet.sk.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!titan.uwinnipeg.ca!io.uwinnipeg.ca!wsimpson From: Bill Simpson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 15:49:42 -0500 Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 16 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am using an I am using an old version of kermit on an SGI IRIX machine--kermit version 4E(072). I use it as a terminal to communicate with a unix machine called Io. I can tell Io to use kermit to send the file over to sgi. However, at that point I can't figure out how to receive it on the sgi. On an MSDOS machine I would type alt -x or control-] then a prompt would appear at which point I would type receive I have read the FAQ and the docs. I have found no mention of this! Thanks very much for any help. Bill Simpson From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 07:56:09 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA22285 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA00719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 07:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!dismay.ucs.indiana.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!portc01.blue.aol.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: ctcyujing@aol.com (CTCYUJING) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using a long packet and sliding window Date: 12 Aug 1996 22:18:20 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 13 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <4uoolc$3d6@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: ctcyujing@aol.com (CTCYUJING) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Hi, I have a windows program that works with kermit regular packet file transfer protocol. However, the speed is very very slow (about 90bytes per packet). Therefore, I tried to speed up the transfer by using long packet and sliding window features. But, for some reason, I always get a NAK back after sending the 'S' packet. I have checked many times to make sure that I have correct CAPAS, CAPAS+1, CAPAS+2, and CAPAS+3 in the 'S' packet. I really don't know why the 'S' packet is always rejected. Can someone tell me what I need to do to make it work? Thanks, Tommy From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 10:58:18 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA11050 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA03748 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!titan.uwinnipeg.ca!io.uwinnipeg.ca!wsimpson From: Bill Simpson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PS: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 08:55:31 -0500 Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I have found that control-\ is "supposed" to do what I want (when sending a file, escape back to local machine to get kermit prompt so I can type "receive"). It works correctly about 1% of the time. The rest of the time kermit pretends I haven't hit any keys. I wonder if the old version I have is buggy and I just need to install newer version. Thanks very much for any help. Bill Simpson From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 11:12:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12671 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA04021 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PS: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: 13 Aug 1996 15:11:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <4uq5vm$f34@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Bill Simpson wrote: : I have found that control-\ is "supposed" to do what I want (when : sending a file, escape back to local machine to get kermit prompt so I : can type "receive"). It works correctly about 1% of the time. The rest : of the time kermit pretends I haven't hit any keys. : If there is a problem escaping back to C-Kermit -- even the seven-year- old version you are using -- it is probably not a bug in C-Kermit. Most likely there is something between your keyboard and C-Kermit that is swallowing up the escape character, maybe a communication device such as a terminal server. Try using "set escape" to select a different escape character. : I wonder if the old version I have is buggy and I just need to install : newer version. : It can't hurt. Current or recent software versions are always supported better than ancient long-forgotten ones. Details about Kermit versions are at our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 12:18:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA23548 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA05041 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 12:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!newshub.tc.umn.edu!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Date: 13 Aug 1996 10:26:54 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.net I'm having some problems with Kermit over a TCP/IP network. First, a description of my network. I have a pc-compatible, a 386DX/25 with 8Mb, running MS-DOS 6.22. I have a 3COM 3C509 ethernet card running the 3C509.COM packet driver. The ethernet is also connected to a router that is running transparent bridging over an ISDN line connected to another router running transparent bridging. So, to my PC it appears I'm connected to a LAN that uses TCP/IP. Now, I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, patchlevel 9. I can start the 3C509 packet driver, start Kermit, and telnet to hosts on my LAN or even telnet to other hosts on the internet through our LANs gateway. I can transfer files this way, at data rates about twice as fast as through a 28.8K modem. The problem comes when, after no circumstance I can pinpoint, network communication stops. When I connect to the console port of my router, I can ping other addresses on the LAN. I get no response when I try to ping the PC. If I exit Kermit and start it again, I still can't connect to the network. If I restart my PC, I can reconnect to the network. This leads me to suspect either the 3C509 packet driver, or Kermit's interface to it. Has anybody else seen this problem? I haven't seen anything that would let me examine the 3C509 driver's forwarding table (which would relate IP addresses to MAC addresses). I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit can ping (though I wish it could). I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit can interrogate the 3C509 driver to see what state it's really in. As it stands, my interface to the ethernet is too unreliable; I'm going to have to find another piece of interface software and TCP/IP stack. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 16:08:33 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA28223 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA13580 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.ingress.net!news.mxol.com!news.tbcnet.com!news.nap.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!news.callamer.com!shaug From: shaug@callamer.com (Shaug Evans) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Logging to printer Date: 13 Aug 1996 18:34:42 GMT Organization: Call America Internet, San Luis Obispo, CA USA +1 (800) 541-6316 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: spork.callamer.com Summary: log sessions to printer Keywords: Solaris 2.X, kermit, printing, logging X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] I'm using kermit to open a terminal session from a serial port on a PC running Solaris 2.5.1. I've already got kermit logging sessions to a file, but I don't know how to simultaneously log them to the printer. The version of kermit is this: "C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x". Any suggestions are appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 16:26:01 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00366 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14034 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Logging to printer Date: 13 Aug 1996 20:25:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <4uqoc4$nev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Solaris 2.X, kermit, printing, logging In article <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com>, Shaug Evans wrote: : I'm using kermit to open a terminal session from a serial port on a PC : running Solaris 2.5.1. I've already got kermit logging sessions to a file, : but I don't know how to simultaneously log them to the printer. The : version of kermit is this: "C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x". : Any suggestions are appreciated. : UNIX doesn't usually have printers like DOS does -- devices that you can open as if they were files and write stuff to them. A UNIX printer is usually a program, lp or lpr, that you point at files, or pipe files into. So normally you would print your session log after the fact. If you need to have a sessiog log printing in "real time" you might be able to do this if you have a printer plugged directly into a serial or parallel port on your PC, and then you can log your session to that device, something like: log session /dev/prn I don't know if this will work; I have no way to test it myself. Could somebody with a PC-based UNIX and local printer could report back? Perhaps a more straightforward solution would involve running a separate process to copy the file to the printer in real time, perhaps something like this: tail -f session.log > /dev/prn & or: tail -f session.log | lpr & - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 16:48:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04638 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA14440 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT 320 emulator Message-ID: <1996Aug13.123948.83865@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Aug 96 12:39:48 MDT References: <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com> Followup-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.linux.misc:138524 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:5754 In article <4unlol$8n2@sf18.dseg.ti.com>, megee@exwin.dseg.ti.com (Robert Megee) writes: > I would like to add to the needs of this emulator that it support > regis graphics like a vt241. I too am forced to interface with a > vax but must do so via an ip network. Xterm doesn't support the > regis graphics and launching a DECTERM back seems to lock my linux > box. Any help? ------------ We looked at ReGIS graphics some years ago when designing the current VT320 emulator in MS-DOS Kermit. The conclusions were a) ReGIS was well out of date/obsolete, b) it would be a large body of code, and c) it presumed much more memory than PCs had. Rather than do a subset (which subset since there's always piece missing for someone) we decided not implement ReGIS and instead do Sixel (plus the other graphics support in MSK). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 18:55:12 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA20511 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id SAA17031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!swrinde!news.sgi.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!usenet From: Marc Auslander Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Insuffient Memory errors K95 Date: 13 Aug 1996 17:28:52 -0400 Organization: IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Lines: 10 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: marc.watson.ibm.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.31 I just installed K95 1.1.4. When I try to launch K95 (not the dialer, I plan to use K95 as a telnet client), I often, but not always, see Insufficient Memory, and it fails to lauch. If I start it from a dos prompt, it seems always (so far) to work. Has anyone seen this? -- Marc Auslander 914 945-4346 (Tieline 862 Fax x4426) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 19:19:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23289 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA17566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Insuffient Memory errors K95 Date: 13 Aug 1996 23:19:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4ur2hc$rja@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Marc Auslander wrote: : I just installed K95 1.1.4. When I try to launch K95 (not the dialer, : I plan to use K95 as a telnet client), I often, but not always, see : Insufficient Memory, and it fails to lauch. If I start it from a dos : prompt, it seems always (so far) to work. : Maybe the Insufficient Memory message is true. Have you configured K95 to use a huge rollback buffer? If the message is not true -- i.e. you have plenty of memory and swap space -- then maybe you are experiencing a bug that we fixed a while back. Please install the 1.1.4-to-1.1.7 upgrade patch and see if that doesn't make the problem go away: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html If you still have a problem after that, send details about your configuration to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 19:48:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA27273 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18369 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!ott.istar!istar.net!tor.istar!east.istar!news.nstn.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!titan.uwinnipeg.ca!io.uwinnipeg.ca!wsimpson From: Bill Simpson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PS: how to use unix kermit to receive? Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:18:09 -0500 Organization: University of Winnipeg Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: io.uwinnipeg.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: I have this solved now. I have to hit c after hitting control-\ to get kermit prompt. Bill Simpson From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 13 23:47:21 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA17138 for ; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id XAA28485 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!news.sojourn.com!newsfeed.concentric.net!news.texas.net!news.kei.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!howland.erols.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!uct.ac.za!iafrica.com!usenet From: karro@iafrica.com (Gavin Karro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help PLEASE Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 16:43:11 GMT Organization: Internet Africa Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4uqc5m$77n@newnews.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196-7-124-154.iafrica.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 I have a VAX account with the University of Cape Town. I used to use a dial up program called Qmodem to access it. Qmodem uses Zmodem and Kermit as its protocols. The program has corrupted and I am looking for a replacement. Can anyone reccommend a good program to use ? Does anyone know where I can download Qmodem (for Windows 3.11) You can mail me at Karro@iafrica.com Thank you in anticipation. Cheers, Gavin Karro From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 00:58:15 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA24626 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA01178 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 00:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Insuffient Memory errors K95 Date: 14 Aug 1996 04:57:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4urmcg$71r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Marc Auslander wrote: : I just installed K95 1.1.4. When I try to launch K95 (not the dialer, : I plan to use K95 as a telnet client), I often, but not always, see : Insufficient Memory, and it fails to lauch. If I start it from a dos : prompt, it seems always (so far) to work. Where are you starting K95 from? A Windows 95 shortcut? If so, check the memory settings for that object? >From a browser such as netscape? How much memory do you have on your system? Netscape takes quite a bit since it caches HTML and Graphics in memory. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 01:45:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA29172 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 01:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA02390 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 01:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!spcuna!spcvxb!8strano_t From: 8strano_t@spcvxa.spc.edu (Tom Strano) Subject: K95 - Jerky screen redraws Nntp-Posting-Host: spcvxa.spc.edu Sender: news@spcuna.spc.edu (Network News) Organization: Club 140 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 03:12:17 GMT Message-ID: <1996Aug13.231217.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> Lines: 13 I've recently switched from MS-DOS Kermit to Kermit 95, and I've noticed that the screen redraws in K95 are rather jerky, and when I type, it takes a fraction of a second for what I type to appear. This never happened in MS-DOS Kermit (with the exact same modem and other hardware), and it's annoying enough to make me stick with MS-DOS Kermit even though I run Win95. Any suggestions on how to fix this? Thanks! - Tom in Bayonne, NJ From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 02:09:53 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA00232 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 02:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA02900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 02:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 - Jerky screen redraws Date: 14 Aug 1996 06:09:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <4urqic$88b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1996Aug13.231217.1@spcvxb.spc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1996Aug13.231217.1@spcvxb.spc.edu>, Tom Strano <8strano_t@spcvxb.spc.edu> wrote: : : I've recently switched from MS-DOS Kermit to Kermit 95, and I've : noticed that the screen redraws in K95 are rather jerky, and when : I type, it takes a fraction of a second for what I type to appear. You are seeing the impact of multiple threads. Try using the SET TERMINAL SCREEN-UPDATE SMOOTH command. This will slow down the data processing rate as the screen will now be updated after every character is received. K95 by default processes screen writes in the background in order to reduce CPU utilization and increase data throughput. Jeffrey Altman * 304 West 92nd St #7A * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 769-2675 * 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Kermit 95 for Windows 95/NT: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 05:00:48 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA13202 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 05:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA07394 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 05:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!hunter.premier.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!EU.net!sun4nl!dataweb.net!Leiden.NL.net!Utrecht.NL.net!knoware.nl!usenet From: Walter Hendriks Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I transfer a ascii file from a Unix to a MS-DOS workstation Date: 14 Aug 1996 08:22:31 GMT Organization: Knoware Internet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <4us2c7$e8s@news.knoware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: hilversum-ppp3.knoware.nl I would like to copy a ascii-file from a AIX 4.1.4 to a MS-DOS 6.2 workstation. Which version of kermit do I need. Thanks, Walter Hendriks From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 07:25:50 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA04485 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA29196 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 07:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!hunter.premier.net!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!usenet2.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!usenet1.news.uk.psi.net!uknet!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!genesis.demon.co.uk From: Lawrence Kirby Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 11:04:12 GMT Organization: none Lines: 41 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <840020652snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: fred@genesis.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: genesis.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 X-Mail2News-Path: genesis.demon.co.uk In article <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: > >In article <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, >Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: >: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >: : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen >: : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy >: : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling >: : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting >: : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time >: : that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe >: : your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. >: >: This started happening when the ISP started using new modems >: (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections >: and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information >: (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? >: >We have to expect this kind of problem periodically (with an ever >diminishing period) as modem makers fall all over themselves to outdo each >other. Before standard X even settles down, the market is already flooded >with modems that implement "X+" or "Turbo-X". But since "X+" (in this case, >V.34+) is not defined by any standard, implementations of it in -- and >reactions *to* it by -- modems from different makers are likely to vary. It is defined by a draft standard, it just hasn't completed the ratification process yet. That process won't change the content of the standard. So everybody is working to the same standard. The problem sounds like the modems are pushing the line too hard and are getting data corruption. The pauses are probably LAPM protocol timeouts. The solution in that case is to force the connection to a lower speed. -- ----------------------------------------- Lawrence Kirby | fred@genesis.demon.co.uk Wilts, England | 70734.126@compuserve.com ----------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 10:28:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA21184 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05771 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help PLEASE Date: 14 Aug 1996 14:28:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <4usnq9$72j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4uqc5m$77n@newnews.iafrica.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4uqc5m$77n@newnews.iafrica.com>, Gavin Karro wrote: : I have a VAX account with the University of Cape Town. : I used to use a dial up program called Qmodem to access it. Qmodem : uses Zmodem and Kermit as its protocols. : The program has corrupted and I am looking for a replacement. : The Mustang Software implementation of Kermit is incorrect. The same problem occurs in its BBS software and in Qmodem-Pro. Files are corrupted after transfer, period. : Can anyone reccommend a good program to use ? : MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows 3.x, Kermit 95 for Windows 95 and NT. See the Kermit Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 10:30:45 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA22153 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA05870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I transfer a ascii file from a Unix to a MS-DOS workstation Date: 14 Aug 1996 14:30:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <4usnu2$750@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4us2c7$e8s@news.knoware.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4us2c7$e8s@news.knoware.nl>, Walter Hendriks wrote: : I would like to copy a ascii-file from a AIX 4.1.4 to a : MS-DOS 6.2 workstation. Which version of kermit do I need. : C-Kermit 5A(190) (or 6.0.192 beta) for AIX 4.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (or 3.15 beta) for DOS. All the information is at our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 13:52:30 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA23814 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA10235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 13:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Message-ID: <1996Aug14.112913.83887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Aug 96 11:29:13 MDT References: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 In article <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > I'm having some problems with Kermit over a TCP/IP network. First, > a description of my network. > > I have a pc-compatible, a 386DX/25 with 8Mb, running MS-DOS 6.22. > I have a 3COM 3C509 ethernet card running the 3C509.COM packet driver. > The ethernet is also connected to a router that is running transparent > bridging over an ISDN line connected to another router running > transparent bridging. So, to my PC it appears I'm connected to a LAN > that uses TCP/IP. > > Now, I'm using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, patchlevel 9. I can start the > 3C509 packet driver, start Kermit, and telnet to hosts on my LAN > or even telnet to other hosts on the internet through our LANs > gateway. I can transfer files this way, at data rates about twice > as fast as through a 28.8K modem. > > The problem comes when, after no circumstance I can pinpoint, network > communication stops. When I connect to the console port of my router, > I can ping other addresses on the LAN. I get no response when I try > to ping the PC. If I exit Kermit and start it again, I still can't > connect to the network. If I restart my PC, I can reconnect to the > network. This leads me to suspect either the 3C509 packet driver, > or Kermit's interface to it. > > Has anybody else seen this problem? > > I haven't seen anything that would let me examine the 3C509 driver's > forwarding table (which would relate IP addresses to MAC addresses). > I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit can ping (though > I wish it could). I haven't seen anything that would imply that Kermit > can interrogate the 3C509 driver to see what state it's really in. > > As it stands, my interface to the ethernet is too unreliable; I'm going > to have to find another piece of interface software and TCP/IP stack. > > David S. Cargo ---------- Appears to me to be a bad 3C509 Packet Driver. Recall that 3C509 boards have a lot of problems designed into them, and you see part of the story in the adjustments for serial port work when setting up some of the drivers. Please do be sure there are no IRQ or Port conflicts because your description suggests the board gets into a "no receive" condition. There is no ARP table in a Packet Driver since that belongs with the TCP/IP protcol stack. Kermit speaks fluent "Packet Driver" as a native and controls the driver to do what is needed. You can send a TCP Are You There message while in Connect mode: press Control-] and then press the "a" key. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 15:38:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA08193 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA11920 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.flint.umich.edu!news.gmi.edu!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!frankensun.altair.com!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!usenet From: "Abraham D. Figueroa" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit locks up while displaying Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 12:19:09 -0400 Organization: NITC Lines: 87 Message-ID: <3211FC7D.4BC@kodak.com> Reply-To: abrahamf@kodak.com NNTP-Posting-Host: abrahamf.itc.kodak.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1E4D39511B18" X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; 68K) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E4D39511B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I hope that you will be able to help me figure out the problem. I am using a PCMCIA card on a Toshiba Laptop. I have had no problems using this configuration from within Windows3.1 when using applications such as FaxWorks, QuickLink, etc. However, when I use Kermit it always locksup. I've tried modifying several parameters and it does seem to work fine with just one SLOW speed rate (2.4Kbps). I am attaching a copy of the AUTOEXEC.BAT and the CONFIG.SYS, I hope this helps. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Please respond directly to abrahamf@kodak.com Thank you in advance, Abe --------------1E4D39511B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="3F3F3F3F" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="autoexec.bat" C:\SCSI\MSCDEX.EXE /D:ASPICD0 /M:12 remCOPY C:\WINDOWS\WIN.LAN C:\WINDOWS\WIN.INI remCOPY C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.LAN C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM.INI remCOPY C:\WINDOWS\PROTOCOL.LAN C:\WINDOWS\PROTOCOL.INI ;doskey @echo off PATH=C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINWORD;C:\DOS;C:\MOUSE;C:\WAVELAN;C:\SCSI;C:\KERMIT PROMPT $p$g set FAXPATH=C:\FAXPLUSW\ SET MSINPUT=C:\MSINPUT LH /L:0;2,25088 /S C:\MSINPUT\MOUSE\MOUSE.EXE /Q @ECHO OFF REM PCM+ path added. PATH PCMPLUS3;%PATH% SET TEMP=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP LH /L:0;2,16400 /S C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /X 2048 128 rem C:\CELLECT\CELL-ON /WE000 rem WIN REM original autoexec.bat with multiple config. is saved in C:KIRK --------------1E4D39511B18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="3F3F3F3F" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="config.sys" DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=C800-C8FF X=D000-D1FF X=E000-E7FF BUFFERS=15,0 FILES=40 DOS=UMB LASTDRIVE=Z FCBS=4,0 REM BY PCM+ X=C800-C8FF STACKS=9,256 DOS=HIGH DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\CNFIGNAM.EXE /DEFAULT DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMSS.EXE DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMCS.EXE DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMRMAN.SYS DEVICE=C:\PCMPLUS3\PCMSCD.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:1,12048 =C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:0;1,8112 /S =C:\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICEHIGH /L:1,4560 =C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS rem DEVICE=C:\WAVELAN\WAVECLI.EXE REM original config.sys with multiple config. is saved in C:\KIRK DEVICEHIGH /L:2,26832 =C:\SCSI\ASPI2DOS.SYS /D /Z rem DEVICE=C:\SCSI\ASPICD.SYS /D:ASPICD0 [COMMON] rem DEVICE=C:\DESKSCAN\MINI400I.SYS rem DEVICE=C:\DESKSCAN\SJIIX.SYS --------------1E4D39511B18-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 19:18:58 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06876 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA15720 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 19:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SOCKS for MS-DOS Kermit, call for help Message-ID: <1996Aug14.164012.83898@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Aug 96 16:40:12 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 We have received messages expressing interest that MS-DOS Kermit support TCP/IP SOCKS. That's a "secure" access to firewalled servers. The problems we have are knowing what authentication method to implement, of several, and of finding a SOCKS server for testing. The authentication methods range from none, to plain-text username and password, to Kerberos-like and so on. Of these only the first two make sense on a DOS PC, and the first two aren't secure at all. Would those people expressing the interest please contact us with more information so we can make intelligent choices in MS-DOS Kermit v3.15. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 14 21:56:41 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA22215 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA18505 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 21:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsxfer2.itd.umich.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit locks up while displaying Message-ID: <1996Aug14.193029.83905@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Aug 96 19:30:28 MDT References: <3211FC7D.4BC@kodak.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 In article <3211FC7D.4BC@kodak.com>, "Abraham D. Figueroa" writes: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --------------1E4D39511B18 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I hope that you will be able to help me figure out the > problem. I am using a PCMCIA card on a Toshiba Laptop. > I have had no problems using this configuration from within Windows3.1 > when using applications such as FaxWorks, QuickLink, etc. However, > when I use Kermit it always locksup. I've tried modifying several > parameters and it does seem to work fine with just one SLOW speed > rate (2.4Kbps). I am attaching a copy of the AUTOEXEC.BAT and the > CONFIG.SYS, I hope this helps. ------------- In almost all cases these problems devolve down to memory management troubles. You have allowed segments A000-BFFF to be available for loading things high, and that is often fatal. We indicate some common guidelines on memory management in the MSK release notes, but of course we can't (nor can anyone) publish a comprehensive guide. PCMCIA boards pose their own personality difficulties and I won't venture into that territory. I wish I had a simple suggestion for you, but this is a messy subject best attacked in person on the subject machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 03:59:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA21941 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id DAA25021 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 03:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!hunter.premier.net!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: "David Torrez" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 cannot access modem Date: 15 Aug 1996 06:53:03 GMT Organization: Zanti Systems Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bb8a76$8de6ae60$8670face@reptile> NNTP-Posting-Host: max5-vgd-ca-58.earthlink.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 When trying to connect to a local BBS from K95-Dialer, it cannot connect to COM2. My modem is a 14.4k AT&T Dataport (which is listed in the installation) on COM2. I have been running Kermit 95 since 111 and am now up to 117. I have been running it under Win NT 3.51 and it has worked great. But now having installed WIN 95, I cannot use it to dial out. The telnet works fine when I am connected via PPP. Does anyone know what I need to do to make COM2 available for dial out? Dave - reptile@earthlink.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 10:12:44 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA03194 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA20062 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT 3.14 server "REMOTE DELETE" problem Date: 15 Aug 1996 12:40:39 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 24 Message-ID: References: <1996Aug12.084424.83830@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) In-reply-to: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 12 Aug 96 08:44:24 MDT In article <1996Aug12.084424.83830@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>In article , >>> wrote: >>>: I have a PC running MS-KERMIT 3.14 server to provide access to a >>>: filesystem. The application talking to this server is a home-grown >>>: implementation of the Kermit protocols. When the application attempts >>>: to delete a file using the "REMOTE DELETE" command I get a problem if >>>: any of the components of the filename start with a digit. > > It's not a bug, it's a feature, as they say. There is just so much >overloading of syntax that can be dealt with in a general way. MSK 3.14 has >definite limits on the syntax, MSK 3.15 has relaxed the limits about as far >as possible, so please do try v3.15/beta. Thanks, I've now upgraded to v3.15/beta and this problem appears to be fixed now. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 11:31:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA14251 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA21460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 cannot access modem Date: 15 Aug 1996 15:30:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <4uvfrf$q6d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb8a76$8de6ae60$8670face@reptile> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb8a76$8de6ae60$8670face@reptile>, David Torrez wrote: : When trying to connect to a local BBS from K95-Dialer, it cannot connect to : COM2. My modem is a 14.4k AT&T Dataport (which is listed in the : installation) on COM2. I have been running Kermit 95 since 111 and am now : up to 117. I have been running it under Win NT 3.51 and it has worked : great. But now having installed WIN 95, I cannot use it to dial out. The : telnet works fine when I am connected via PPP. : It's usually a better idea to address questions like this by email direct to kermit-support@columbia.edu. The most likely explanation is that COM2 is owned by your Windows 95 Internet software, so Kermit 95 can't get at it, but we'd need more details to know for sure. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 14:30:13 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA09772 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24304 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news.iag.net!news.math.psu.edu!chi-news.cic.net!news.bright.net!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!skypoint.com!not-for-mail From: escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Date: 15 Aug 1996 11:22:33 -0500 Organization: SkyPoint Communications Inc. Lines: 14 Message-ID: <4uvis9$ick@mirage.skypoint.com> References: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> <1996Aug14.112913.83887@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mirage.skypoint.com If the TCP/IP stack is in Kermit, is there a way to get Kermit to display the forwarding table? Is there a way to add addresses to the forwarding table so that Kermit doesn't have to ARP for them? I don't believe there are any port conflicts. I have used MSD and the system info utility that comes with Hurricane, and I don't believe I have any address or IRQ problems. Is there a "latest" version of 3C509.COM; the one I have is one found on the net by somebody else. If it's not the latest, I don't quite know where to look myself. It's dated Nov. 22, 1993, and it's 8283 bytes long. David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 15 17:23:40 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA08038 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27564 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 3 Date: 15 Aug 1996 21:23:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <4v04g8$4u6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: DHCP SOCKS This one is dated August 15, 1996, and labeled Beta 3. The only change from last time involves TCP/IP connections made using a DHCP server -- a fix to the lease renewal procedure. Beta 3 is in the usual place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip Meanwhile, we'd still like some feedback on the form of authentication that people want for SOCKS firewall negotiation. Everybody is asking for SOCKS, but nobody is saying how they need it. If you don't speak up soon, it will be too late. Send info by email to: kermit@columbia.edu as well as reports on this Beta version. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik for his work on this enormously popular package. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 16 04:35:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA13160 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA09228 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 04:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!nwnews.wa.com!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Logging to printer Date: 16 Aug 1996 06:48:20 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 38 Message-ID: <4v15jk$bf4@news1.halcyon.com> References: <4uqhs2$a9l@twizzler.callamer.com> <4uqoc4$nev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Keywords: Solaris 2.X, kermit, printing, logging In article <4uqoc4$nev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: [re: logging to printer under Unixoid systems] >So normally you would print your session log after the fact. If you need to >have a sessiog log printing in "real time" you might be able to do this if >you have a printer plugged directly into a serial or parallel port on your >PC, and then you can log your session to that device, something like: > > log session /dev/prn That will work fine, as long as the "prn" device is configured correctly. Also remember that the "prn" above should be replaced by a system-specific device identifier. On my Linux box I would use "/dev/par0"; on my Sun SparcStation I might use "/dev/ttya". Note that getting a serial line configured right for printing can be a chore on some systems. >Perhaps a more straightforward solution would involve running a separate >process to copy the file to the printer in real time, perhaps something >like this: > > tail -f session.log > /dev/prn & > >or: > > tail -f session.log | lpr & That second tail doesn't make any sense. The lpr sits there waiting for EOF on the pipeline, and the tail -f won't close its stdout until you kill it. As long as you have to go an send a seperate kill command you may as well just send the session.log to lpr at that time instead. The first version has some merit, as long as there is a reason to keep the session.log file around; if not then sending directly to /dev/prn (i.e. the log session example above) makes more sense. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 16 20:24:52 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA16570 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA13477 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news1.erols.com!hunter.premier.net!news.cais.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!newsfeeder.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!lfsserv1.lfs.loral.com!news.lfso.loral.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!usenet From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: 16 Aug 1996 20:10:51 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas Lines: 26 Sender: zoso@griswold.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Distribution: usa Message-ID: <4v2kkb$m5o@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com NNTP-Posting-Host: griswold.manassas.ibm.com X-newsreader: xrn 8.01 In article <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, c23st@eng.delcoelect.com (Spiros Triantafyllopoulos) writes: |> I have been using Kermit 3.14 with a Practical Peripherals 28.8 external |> modem on a Gateway PC and 16550A card. I use the official PPI.SCR |> init file and all works well. I usually connect to my ISP at 26400. |> |> Over the last few days I've been getting more 28.8 connects, and I have |> noticed a pause problem which *may be* Kermit related. Basically the |> modem stops responding for a few seconds during interactive use. What |> makes it interesting is that (a) it just started happening, and (b), |> when I type stuff I do not see the modem's lights acknowledging. After |> a few seconds it comes back. If I type ctrl-] C and C again it usually |> clears itself up (which is why I wonder if Kermit is doing things) Is your ISP by any chance using US Robotics 28.8/33.6 Sportster modems? There is a known bug which causes this very symptom; I have seen it numerous times, and it has been discussed to death on comp.dcom.modems. I have also seen it on a Gateways modem which was apparently a remarketed US Robotics Sportster. -- Randy Anderson Site Systems Integration internet: randy.anderson@lmco.com Lockheed Martin Federal Systems OV/VM: zoso at bullrun Manassas, VA phone: (703) 367-4396 From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 00:45:16 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA19045 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id AAA18168 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!news-res.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit over TCP/IP Ethernet Message-ID: <1996Aug16.214049.83982@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Aug 96 21:40:49 MDT References: <4uq6ru$fhf@mirage.skypoint.com> <1996Aug14.112913.83887@cc.usu.edu> <4uvis9$ick@mirage.skypoint.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 In article <4uvis9$ick@mirage.skypoint.com>, escargo@skypoint.com (David S Cargo) writes: > If the TCP/IP stack is in Kermit, is there a way to get Kermit to > display the forwarding table? Is there a way to add addresses to > the forwarding table so that Kermit doesn't have to ARP for them? No, there isn't. ARPing will always occur for the next point on the local network. Please beware of IP address conflicts changing the ARP cache on your relay machines and hence removing contact with the MS-DOS Kermit machine. That means another station on the local net using the same IP address as MSK. > I don't believe there are any port conflicts. I have used MSD > and the system info utility that comes with Hurricane, and I don't > believe I have any address or IRQ problems. MSD won't show conflicts; it is not that smart, and it has no measurement capabilities for IRQs. Thus one has to open the box and examine jumpers as well as double check software controlled setups. > Is there a "latest" version of 3C509.COM; the one I have is > one found on the net by somebody else. If it's not the latest, > I don't quite know where to look myself. It's dated Nov. 22, 1993, > and it's 8283 bytes long. I don't know what ftp.3com.com has to offer. The Packet Driver you reference is in the Crynwr Collection of Packet Drivers (copies widely available, including on kermit.columbia.edu and netlab2.usu.edu), same date. Joe D. > David S. Cargo From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 11:15:31 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11596 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17238 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!hunter.premier.net!netaxs.com!not-for-mail From: stan@netaxs.com (Stan Barndt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: 17 Aug 1996 15:10:46 GMT Organization: Philadelphia's Complete Internet Provider Lines: 6 Message-ID: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: unix3.netaxs.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Hi there, I have found all the Hexified C-Kermit files. What I need to do now is send them to a remote ALPHA. How do I do this without the benifit of Kermit on the ALPHA end? Any help will be appreiated. Thanks, Stan Barndt From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 12:45:02 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA22897 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA18559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 12:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: 17 Aug 1996 16:44:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com>, Stan Barndt wrote: : I have found all the Hexified C-Kermit files. What I need to do now : is send them to a remote ALPHA. How do I do this without the benifit of : Kermit on the ALPHA end? Any help will be appreiated. : FTP? NFT? If you don't have any file transfer method at all on the Alpha, you can always order C-Kermit from us on magnetic media. See our Web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ follow the links to the Kermit Software Catalog. Or you might try this, but I doubt it will work. Assuming you have the hex files on a computer that has MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, then tell the Alpha to "create kermit.hex". Then escape back to Kermit and tell it TRANSMIT the desired hex file. But the file is huge and if even one byte is lost or corrupted, it won't work. (You'll also need to send the dehexifying program the same way.) It's probably a better use of your time to buy a tape, cartridge, or disk. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 17 21:30:06 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA20207 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id VAA27235 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!van-bc!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: 18 Aug 1996 00:26:48 GMT Organization: Tri-University Meson Facility Lines: 17 Message-ID: <4v5o08$ksq@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca In article <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >Or you might try this, but I doubt it will work. Assuming you have the >hex files on a computer that has MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, then tell the >Alpha to "create kermit.hex". Then escape back to Kermit and tell it >TRANSMIT the desired hex file. But the file is huge and if even one byte >is lost or corrupted, it won't work. (You'll also need to send the >dehexifying program the same way.) True, this method certainly will fail if even one bit is corrupted. But I've used the hex-file procedure on many different platforms (VMS, Unix, MSDOS, CP/M, RT-11) and I've never had a single problem. Of course, I don't try to get greedy and use the highest serial speed possible, nor do I try doing this over anything except a short, direct connection. Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 09:51:23 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA18287 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA11580 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!blue.thrunet.net!newsmaster From: rstrickler@thrunet.net (Robert J. Strickler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 telnet default exit is clumsy Date: 19 Aug 1996 13:18:16 GMT Organization: Koch Software Industries Lines: 27 Message-ID: <4v9pio$dp8@blue.thrunet.net> Reply-To: rstrickler$thrunet.net@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: arcturus.thrunet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.7 We have a customer evaluating K95. We added 1 line to the custom .ini file to set the terminal emulation to wy50. They use the telnet.exe to talk to an IBM AIX 6000 via tcp/ip. No complaints about the emulation and the pass thru printing that they required seems to function well too. When the W95 X button in the upper right of the title bar is pressed to terminate the program, W95 carps about it not handling a windows exit signal. (Sorry I do not have the exact text but they purchased only 1 copy for evaluation and I am getting this info second-hand). If they allow it to try and kill the app anyway things become kind of hung and they have to ctl-alt-del the task list up and kill "Winoldapp". Suffice it to say that this is not a user-friendly interface feature, especially if they were to deploy this into the company were computer savvy is almost non-existant. Using the Alt-X to get to a K95 prompt requires them to type exit and ctl-J !?! (the enter key is ignored) which pesters them about an open connection. Is there any way to get a more conventional windowish behaviour from the telnet.exe (is the telnet "wrapper" 32-bit?) and have it properly respond to the X button. Alternatively is there a way to configure K95 so that a keystroke, (Alt-Q for instance) will close the connection and exit without any additional prompts? ANy help will be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 10:04:20 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA20026 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id KAA11789 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 telnet default exit is clumsy Date: 19 Aug 1996 14:03:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <4v9s88$qd4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <4v9pio$dp8@blue.thrunet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <4v9pio$dp8@blue.thrunet.net>, Robert J. Strickler wrote: : We have a customer evaluating K95. We added 1 line to the custom .ini file : to set the terminal emulation to wy50. They use the telnet.exe to talk to : an IBM AIX 6000 via tcp/ip. No complaints about the emulation and the pass : thru printing that they required seems to function well too. : Which version of Kermit 95? The current version is 1.1.7. : When the W95 X button in the upper right of the title bar is pressed to : terminate the program, W95 carps about it not handling a windows exit : signal. : The X button doesn't work in console applications. Ask Microsoft about it, it was their decision, not ours. : Using the Alt-X to get to a K95 prompt requires them to type exit and : ctl-J !?! (the enter key is ignored) which pesters them about an open : connection. : Now that's a strange one. Nobody has ever reported such a thing before and it definitely doesn't happen here. Are you saying that the Enter key does not work in only this particular situation, or that you always have to use Ctrl-J rather than Enter -- and if so, is K95 the only application where this happens? : Is there any way to get a more conventional windowish behaviour from the : telnet.exe (is the telnet "wrapper" 32-bit?) and have it properly respond : to the X button. : Yes, it's 32-bit, like K95 itself, but it is a console application, and this is how Microsoft treats console applications. As you probably know from reading our Web page, we are hard at work on converting K95 to a full GUI application so it can fully partake of all the wonders of Windows 95. Also, I wonder if you are using version 1.1.7 of Kermit 95. In this version, Telnet exits automatically -- no buttons or keys required -- when the host closes the connection, e.g. when the user logs out. : Alternatively is there a way to configure K95 so that a keystroke, (Alt-Q : for instance) will close the connection and exit without any additional : prompts? : Yes. In version 1.1.7, Alt-q does exactly that. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 13:26:03 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA19830 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA16179 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!netaxs.com!op.net!news.mathworks.com!nntp.primenet.com!newspump.sol.net!spool.mu.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.oz.au!minbne.mincom.oz.au!cygnus.mincom.oz.au!usenet From: jeffs@saturn Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit 3.14 delays at 28.8. Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:25:20 GMT Organization: Mincom Pty. Ltd. Lines: 45 Message-ID: <4va4p9$af7@cygnus.mincom.oz.au> References: <4tnosr$82p@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4tnt6k$sl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com> <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <840020652snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: dvrpc19.mincom.oz.au X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Lawrence Kirby wrote: >In article <4toj4d$93p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu "Frank da Cruz" writes: >> >>In article <4to5eb$arp@kocrsv08.delcoelect.com>, >>Spiros Triantafyllopoulos wrote: >>: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >>: : It sounds like the modem is flow-controlling the PC. Which could happen >>: : for many different reasons. The most likely reason is that it is busy >>: : engaging in some protocol with the other modem -- falling back or falling >>: : forward, retraining, recovering from transmission errors by retransmitting >>: : LAPM blocks, etc. You say this just started happening at the same time >>: : that you started getting 28800 bps connections rather than 26400, so maybe >>: : your ISP installed some new modems and this accounts for the new behavior. >>: >>: This started happening when the ISP started using new modems >>: (upgraded to support 33.6... I started seeing more 28.8 connections >>: and these delays... Is there an easy way to find out more information >>: (run in debug mode?), and/or remedy it? >>: >>We have to expect this kind of problem periodically (with an ever >>diminishing period) as modem makers fall all over themselves to outdo each >>other. Before standard X even settles down, the market is already flooded >>with modems that implement "X+" or "Turbo-X". But since "X+" (in this case, >>V.34+) is not defined by any standard, implementations of it in -- and >>reactions *to* it by -- modems from different makers are likely to vary. >It is defined by a draft standard, it just hasn't completed the ratification >process yet. That process won't change the content of the standard. So >everybody is working to the same standard. >The problem sounds like the modems are pushing the line too hard and are >getting data corruption. The pauses are probably LAPM protocol timeouts. >The solution in that case is to force the connection to a lower speed. Check out newsgroup comp.dcom.modems there are numerous posting concerning delays with some of the 28.8 modems. >-- >----------------------------------------- >Lawrence Kirby | fred@genesis.demon.co.uk >Wilts, England | 70734.126@compuserve.com >----------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 15:39:51 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA10880 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA18571 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.texas.net!news.sprintlink.net!news-fw-6.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!sco From: sco@clark.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit locks up while displaying Date: 19 Aug 1996 19:36:34 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: <4vafo2$54l@clarknet.clark.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 100-explorer2.clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > >I am using a PCMCIA card on a Toshiba Laptop. >I have had no problems using this configuration from within Windows3.1 >when using applications such as FaxWorks, QuickLink, etc. However, >when I use Kermit it always locksup. I've tried modifying several >parameters and it does seem to work fine with just one SLOW speed >rate (2.4Kbps). I am attaching a copy of the AUTOEXEC.BAT and the >CONFIG.SYS, I hope this helps. > i am having the same problem, on an IBM thinkpad with a Motorola PCMCIA modem. i have a000-bfff excluded from memory, and i still get the same thing. the odd thing is that if i shut down kermit, then restart it, the link stays up and my terminal goes back to normal for a few screens. mail me if you come up with anything thanks, scott sco@clark.net From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 16:44:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA20938 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA20260 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!cwis.isu.edu!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!news-relay.us.dell.com!swrinde!news.sgi.com!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!vandal From: jasantos@ultranet.com (John Santos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Transferring Hexified files to ALPHA Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 19:28:21 GMT Organization: UltraNet Communications, Inc. Lines: 36 Message-ID: <4vafak$u14@decius.ultra.net> References: <4v4ndm$l05@netaxs.com> <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <4v5o08$ksq@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: vandal.ultranet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.0 Beta #0 In article <4v5o08$ksq@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) wrote: >In article <4v4stp$204@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: > >>Or you might try this, but I doubt it will work. Assuming you have the >>hex files on a computer that has MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit, then tell the >>Alpha to "create kermit.hex". Then escape back to Kermit and tell it >>TRANSMIT the desired hex file. But the file is huge and if even one byte >>is lost or corrupted, it won't work. (You'll also need to send the >>dehexifying program the same way.) > >True, this method certainly will fail if even one bit is corrupted. >But I've used the hex-file procedure on many different platforms (VMS, >Unix, MSDOS, CP/M, RT-11) and I've never had a single problem. Of course, >I don't try to get greedy and use the highest serial speed possible, nor >do I try doing this over anything except a short, direct connection. > >Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) I used this method successfully: I had a remote Alpha 1000 with no network installed yet, and only the two built-in COM ports. I had a V.32 (14.4Kb) modem at each end. I couldn't get TRANSMIT to reliable copy files of more than about 50 lines. I wrote a DCL procedure to split the .HEX file into hundreds of 25-line files, and wrote a kermit script to TRANSMIT them one at a time to the remote system. I then used yet another DCL command file to append them all together again. The dehexifying program was short enough that I could send it in one TRAMSMIT. I built the dehexifying program on the Alpha, ran it, and the Kermit came out fine. My plan was that if the de-hexer had died, I would figure out which of my hundreds of little files was bad, and resend that one file, and then try it again, but this wasn't necessary. John Santos From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 19 20:37:46 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA22872 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA25134 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 4 available Date: 20 Aug 1996 00:37:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <4vb1c5$dnd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Beta 4 of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 is now available. Fixes since Beta 3: Corrects bugs in INPUT and MINPUT. Corrects the bug of losing the first two characters of the first argument word in the DIAL command. New commands: SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY { NORMAL, CRLF } Governs display of incoming carriage returns. Normal means display CR as CR; CRLF means to add a linefeed. SWITCH { } Similar to SWITCH statement in C. See doc for details. MOVE Just like SEND, but deletes the file(s) after sending them succesfully. RETRIEVE Just like GET, but tells server to delete the file(s) after sending them succesfully. The latest Beta is in the customary place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip Transfer in binary mode and unzip. MSK315.EXE is the program, MSK315.DOC are the update notes. Send reports by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 04:42:38 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA06368 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 04:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id EAA03755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 04:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!news2.cais.net!news.cais.net!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!news From: "Michael Agbaglo" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: non-US keyboard: unexpected results Date: 20 Aug 1996 06:57:25 GMT Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany Lines: 5 Message-ID: <01bb8af4$51ef2120$c41a73c2@pitfall> NNTP-Posting-Host: anonymous232.ppp Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 How can I use a german keyboard w/ kermit-95 ? To use the at-sign (@) I have to press Alt-Q - and kermit executes hangup and quit - arrrgh ! From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 05:48:00 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA10838 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 05:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id FAA04905 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 05:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!news From: Lieven Tomme Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 and the number of serial ports that can be handled Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:45:24 +0100 Organization: LVD Company n.v. Lines: 11 Message-ID: <32199744.2BC7749F@lvd.be> NNTP-Posting-Host: lvdcomp.eunet.be Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (X11; I; Linux 1.1.59 i486) Hello, I would like to find out if the number of serial ports that can be handled by a K95 communications program is limited. A K95 program should be running as server on each serial port (the number of serial ports being greater than 4), without posing problems. Is this realisable in hard- and software ? Thanks, Lieven. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 20 11:54:08 1996 Return-Path: news@columbia.edu Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA28080 for ; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA01689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: non-US keyboard: unexpected results Date: 20 Aug 1996 15:53:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <4vcn2b$jqd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bb8af4$51ef2120$c41a73c2@pitfall> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <01bb8af4$51ef2120$c41a73c2@pitfall>, Michael Agbaglo wrote: : How can I use a german keyboard w/ kermit-95 ? : To use the at-sign (@) I have to press Alt-Q - and kermit executes : hangup and quit - ar