From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 28 06:20:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA21000 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 06:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29881 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 28 Jun 1997 06:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!pacbell.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!freenet.vancouver.bc.ca!rslade From: rslade@vcn.bc.ca (Robert Michael Slade) Newsgroups: misc.books.technical,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.vms,comp.sys.hp.hpux,comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.sco.misc,alt.books.technical,alt.books.reviews,biz.books.technical,alt.books Subject: "Using C-Kermit" by da Cruz/Gianone Date: 26 Jun 1997 04:22:03 GMT Organization: Vancouver CommunityNet Lines: 59 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5osqpb$9ku@milo.vcn.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.vcn.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu misc.books.technical:14071 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7231 comp.dcom.modems:192544 comp.os.linux.misc:201559 comp.os.vms:155651 comp.sys.hp.hpux:69149 comp.unix.aix:115274 comp.unix.solaris:125251 comp.unix.sco.misc:46047 alt.books.technical:14005 alt.books.reviews:45403 biz.books.technical:2444 alt.books:13819 BKUSCKMT.RVW 970623 "Using C-Kermit", Frank da Cruz/Christine M. Gianone, 1997, 1-55558-164-1, U$39.95 %A Frank da Cruz fdc@columbia.edu %A Christine M. Gianone cmg@columbia.edu %C 225 Wildwood Street, Woburn, MA 01801 %C or Kermit Distribution, 612 West 115th Street, New York, NY 10025 %D 1997 %G 1-55558-164-1 %I Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann / Columbia University %O U$39.95 800-366-BOOK 212-854-3703 Fax: 617-933-6333 212-663-8202 %O kermit@columbia.edu http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ %P 622 %T "Using C-Kermit", 2nd edition Kermit is the most widely available communications software in the world. Versions on some platforms, however, may lack features available on others. Also, there may be a few computers to which Kermit has not been ported. This is where C-Kermit comes in. C-Kermit is the C language source code for a feature-rich version of Kermit, very similar in function to the highly mature MS-DOS version of Kermit. C-Kermit is the native version for most of the Kermit versions on major platforms, and there is no longer any reason not to have a Kermit for *your* machine. This is the user level manual for C-Kermit. (General advice on porting, configuration and compiling is included with the source, available from the Kermit distribution centre at Columbia University. Extensive documentation and back issues of the Kermit digests and announcements are also available.) Well thought out, well presented, well written, the book is an excellent addition to the previous "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (BKKERMIT.RVW) and "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (BKUMSKMT.RVW). For those who insist that computer documentation is, by nature, turgid, obtuse, and boring, you haven't read anything by Frank da Cruz and Christine Gianone. Technical writers take note: *this* is how you do it. The structure and order of the book is logically organized for users, new and old. Early chapters, and appendix two, provide an excellent primer for serial communications of all kinds. (The "test number" for you to call is an 800 number bulletin board, accessible from all over the United States and Canada, courtesy of Digital.) The only minor oddity in the arrangement is that scripting, possibly of most use to non-programming users, comes after the chapters on macros and programming. This is intended to give some basic programming concepts prior to introducing scripts, since the book assumes no programming background. It is, however, possible to write simple scripts without much in the way of conditional structures, controls or variables, and it would be a pity if non-programmers gave up too early to find this out. C-Kermit is, as far as possible, the standard for the Kermit interface and functions. This, therefore, is the standard Kermit user guide. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1994, 1997 BKUSCKMT.RVW 970623 ====================== roberts@decus.ca rslade@vcn.bc.ca slade@freenet.victoria.bc.ca link to virus, book info at http://www.freenet.victoria.bc.ca/techrev/rms.html Author "Robert Slade's Guide to Computer Viruses" 0-387-94663-2 (800-SPRINGER) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 1 07:46:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11351 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA04339 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Ed <74107.264@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit support for DHCP Date: 26 Jun 1997 20:45:57 GMT Organization: None Lines: 2 Message-ID: <5ouke5$br4$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7245 Does anyone know if MS-DOS Kermit internally supports DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol)? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 1 11:22:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17487 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16862 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit support for DHCP Date: 1 Jul 1997 15:22:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5pb7cb$ges$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5ouke5$br4$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7246 In article <5ouke5$br4$1@mhafn.production.compuserve.com>, Ed <74107.264@CompuServe.COM> wrote: : Does anyone know if MS-DOS Kermit internally supports DHCP : (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol)? : Version 3.15, currently in Beta test, does: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 1 12:24:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00836 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20472 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!htc.honeywell.com!news1.mr.net!mr.net!visi.com!news-out.visi.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.cybernet.dk!news.kolumbus.fi!news.funet.fi!news.kbfi.ee!news From: "Anton Klevtsov" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: syncronization client an server times Date: 1 Jul 1997 13:26:45 GMT Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bc8622$6a7cb8e0$9301dec3@roger.data.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: roger.data.ee X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7247 hey all! mayby someone knows how to sychronize times. problem is following: when I start my client (kermit for win95), first I have to receive time from servet and set this time in client. so, how can i do that? any help is welcome ;) Anton anton@data.ee From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 1 12:51:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07934 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA22073 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: syncronization client an server times Date: 1 Jul 1997 16:51:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <5pbci8$lhn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bc8622$6a7cb8e0$9301dec3@roger.data.ee> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7248 In article <01bc8622$6a7cb8e0$9301dec3@roger.data.ee>, Anton Klevtsov wrote: : hey all! : mayby someone knows how to sychronize times. : problem is following: : when I start my client (kermit for win95), first I have to receive time : from servet and set this time in client. so, how can i do that? With Kermit-95 this is easy. Kermit-95 supports host based time/date assignments within various terminal emulations. /************************************************************************ This program queries the system clock and issues a VT series time. VT CSI hr ; mm , p The Wyse and Televideo sequences are as follows: WY ESC c 8 hr mm TVI ESC SP 1 ampm hr min ************************************************************************/ #include #include int main() { struct tm *newtime; time_t ltime; printf("Setting VT terminal clock ...\n"); time(<ime); newtime = localtime(<ime); printf("Time now: %d:%.2d:%.2d\n",newtime->tm_hour, newtime->tm_min,newtime->tm_sec); if ( newtime->tm_sec != 0 ) { sleep( 60 - newtime->tm_sec ) ; newtime->tm_min += 1 ; } printf("%c[%d;%d,p",27,newtime->tm_hour,newtime->tm_min); printf("Time set to %d:%.2d:00\n",newtime->tm_hour,newtime->tm_min); return 0; } Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 1 16:23:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21514 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:23:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05971 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!duke.telepac.pt!news.telepac.pt!usenet From: cel@mail.telepac.pt (Paul Vieira) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help me on File Transfer (KERMIT/DOS ----> KERMIT95) Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 18:34:40 GMT Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5pbpen$o5a@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: bg3-p3.telepac.pt X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7249 Hello Kermit peolpe, I need to transfer files (Clipper databases) from a PC (MS-DOS) to an PC ( WINDOWS NT 4.0). On the PC (MS-DOS) I have Kermit 3.14 and I made a script to transfer the files. On the PC (NT- 4.0) I have KERMIT 95 and I made a script (that is running continuous) to receive the files from others PC's (that use Kermit for DOS). The transfer (dialling and sending the files) is made alone (no user input). What happens is that almost the times the transfer can't succied (the KERMIT/95 is always receiving error frames or doesn't get anything). What could be the problem: 1) The Kermit scripts that I made (I followed the books 'Using MS-DOS KERMIT' and 'Using C-KERMIT')? 2) The Modems (the KERMIT/95 is connected to an external V.34, but the Kermit/DOS only uses an internal at 14400 bps) 3) Is KERMIT (DOS and WIN95) indicated to work in automatic mode. Is there anywhere in the WWW samples of Kermit scripts (DOS and/or WIN95) to automatically transfer files that I could get to see? Thank you in advance. Paul Vieira cel@mail.telepac.pt From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 1 16:34:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25390 for ; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA06650 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help me on File Transfer (KERMIT/DOS ----> KERMIT95) Date: 1 Jul 1997 20:34:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <5pbpl9$6fo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5pbpen$o5a@duke.telepac.pt> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7250 In article <5pbpen$o5a@duke.telepac.pt>, Paul Vieira wrote: : I need to transfer files (Clipper databases) from a PC (MS-DOS) to an : PC ( WINDOWS NT 4.0). On the PC (MS-DOS) I have Kermit 3.14 and I made : a script to transfer the files. On the PC (NT- 4.0) I have KERMIT 95 : and I made a script (that is running continuous) to receive the files : from others PC's (that use Kermit for DOS). The transfer (dialling and : sending the files) is made alone (no user input). : : What happens is that almost the times the transfer can't succied (the : KERMIT/95 is always receiving error frames or doesn't get anything). : What could be the problem: : : 1) The Kermit scripts that I made (I followed the books 'Using MS-DOS : KERMIT' and 'Using C-KERMIT')? : We would need to see copies of your scripts. : 2) The Modems (the KERMIT/95 is connected to an external V.34, but : the Kermit/DOS only uses an internal at 14400 bps) : What method are you using to dial? Does it check to make sure that a connection is really made (as the MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts do?). Is the interface speed held constant? How about on the receiving end? What method is being used to answer the call? : : 3) Is KERMIT (DOS and WIN95) indicated to work in automatic mode. : Yes, of course, if you write your scripts correctly. : Is there anywhere in the WWW samples of Kermit scripts (DOS and/or : WIN95) to automatically transfer files that I could get to see? : You might find it easier to work with Kermit 95's hostmode script, which comes with Kermit 95. In this case, the client can actually log in, see a menu, etc. This will verify that you have a good connection, and it also provides some security and protection of the Windows 95 system from unwanted callers. Of course client access through host mode can be scripted too. So why don't you try using host mode on the Windows 95 end. Once you get that working "by hand", then you can write an MS-DOS Kermit script to access it automatically. If you have trouble with that, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 2 03:06:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01753 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 03:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17573 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 03:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!EU.net!sun4nl!sun4nl!phcoms4.seri.philips.nl!news.best.ms.philips.com!news From: Rene Falize Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for downloading software in embedded system? Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 08:02:45 +0200 Organization: Philips Medical Systems Nederland B.V. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33B9EF05.8AB@best.ms.philips.com> Reply-To: rfalize@best.ms.philips.com NNTP-Posting-Host: mup697.ms.philips.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7251 Hi. I would like to use Kermit (preferably an earlier version) for downloading software to an embedded system, but I can't find a detailed description of the packets to be transferred. Can anybody help? Thanks. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 05:32:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03917 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 05:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA10602 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 05:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.pbi.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@16.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: syncronization client an server times Date: 1 Jul 1997 19:34:15 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5pbm3n$s59@samba.rahul.net> References: <01bc8622$6a7cb8e0$9301dec3@roger.data.ee> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7252 Anton Klevtsov (anton@data.ee) wrote: : mayby someone knows how to sychronize times. : problem is following: : when I start my client (kermit for win95), first I have to receive time : from servet and set this time in client. so, how can i do that? With MSKermit, and MSDOS-based systems, there is an APC call that can invoke time and date. A script has appeared here in the past. This doesn't work for me in Win95, either with MSKermit, or with K-95. I have used a free utility called netdate, which synchronizes to my host, when set up with a PPP connection. If this would solve your needs, and you can't locate netdate, I'll try and locate a reference to it, or put my copy back up on the net. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 11:23:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15020 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00496 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news1.netusa.net!news.IAEhv.nl!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Eoin C. Bairéad" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: funny problem with SERVER Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 14:30:17 -0700 Organization: Comhairleoir Ríomhaireachta Lines: 31 Message-ID: <33BC19E9.49AB@indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts02-13.dublin.indigo.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7253 hi I've a funny problem with SERVER between VAX-VMS running the latest C-KERMIT and a PC using the latest MSKermit I start CKERMIT on the VAX and go into SERVER mode ALT-X back to the PC, and enter GET *.TXT the first text file comes across as X.TXT the next attempts X.TXT, but renames it and so on if I say GET A*.TXT then AFILE1.TXT comes over as AX.TXT AFILE2.TXT attemts AX.TXT, and renames and so on. I've checked .INI files, and I see NOTHING !!! Has anyone any idea where I should be looking ?? thank you Eoin Bairéad Dublin, Ireland From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 11:55:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23389 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03127 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Paging script problem Date: 3 Jul 1997 15:55:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <5pgi1o$31c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33BA9E5A.742@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:115579 comp.os.linux.misc:202235 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7254 In article <33BA9E5A.742@ibm.net>, Michael Roeder wrote: : I downloaded C-Kermit from the Columbia U site and it works as Kermit, : but when I try to use the ckepage.ksc script it has problems TAKEing it. : It loads through the define of APAGE, but when it gets to TAPMSG it says : that a line is too long, or it contains NUL characters. I tried to : inspect the file with vi and didn't see anything odd. (except that it : was missing some ";" in front of 2 comments, which I fixed) : I don't think so. Which two comments? : Is anyone using this script or would anyone try to use it for me? I need : to find out what the problem is. If Kermit doesn't work, I think I have : a Perl script that knows how to dial a pager. : The problem is that the TAPMSG macro is slightly too long for the default C-Kermit command buffer length (1K). The solution is to rebuild C-Kermit to use bigger buffers; cd to your C-Kermit source directory and: make clean make rs6aix41c KFLAGS=-DBIGBUFOK # (or "make rs6aix32c", "make linux", etc) Then everything will work. You'll also be able to have bigger packet and window sizes, etc. (BIGBUFOK will be defined by default for AIX on RS/6000 and PowerPC in the next C-Kermit release.) Meanwhile, I have recoded TAPMSG to be less than 1K in length so it should work with any C-Kermit 6.0 build that does not exclude the script programming language: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckepage.ksc Please test the new compact version to make sure it is OK. Send any further problem reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 11:58:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24272 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03329 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: funny problem with SERVER Date: 3 Jul 1997 15:58:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5pgi7f$37v$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33BC19E9.49AB@indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7255 In article <33BC19E9.49AB@indigo.ie>, Eoin C. Bairéad wrote: : I've a funny problem with SERVER between VAX-VMS running the latest : C-KERMIT and a PC using the latest MSKermit : So C-Kermit 6.0.192 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? : I start CKERMIT on the VAX and go into SERVER mode : ALT-X back to the PC, and enter : GET *.TXT : : the first text file comes across as : X.TXT : the next attempts X.TXT, but renames it : and so on : What are the names of the original files? : if I say : GET A*.TXT : then : AFILE1.TXT : comes over as AX.TXT : AFILE2.TXT attemts AX.TXT, and renames : and so on. : This is obviously not desired or normal behavior. I think we'd need to see packet and/or debug logs. Please send them to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 14:34:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA29015 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13055 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:34:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 From: "Chris Witzgall" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using telnet and MS-Kermit Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 14:37:12 -0400 Lines: 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.220.24.175 Message-ID: <31dabc20.0@dcez3.nicom.com> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in3.uu.net!208.206.112.13!dcez3.nicom.com!208.220.24.175 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7256 Is there a way to use telnet to connect a win95 or win3.x pc using MS-Kermit scripts? I know it can be done in K-95 using the set host command, but what about the MS-Kermit version? Thanks in advance, Chris Witzgall Warrenton From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 14:40:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00145 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13453 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using telnet and MS-Kermit Date: 3 Jul 1997 18:40:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5pgrmd$d4b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31dabc20.0@dcez3.nicom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7257 In article <31dabc20.0@dcez3.nicom.com>, Chris Witzgall wrote: : Is there a way to use telnet to connect a win95 or win3.x pc using : MS-Kermit scripts? I know it can be done in K-95 using the set host : command, but what about the MS-Kermit version? : If you can make a Telnet connection with MS-DOS Kermit by hand, then you can do it in a script: ; Give TCP/IP setup commands here set port tcp xyzcorp.com pause 0 if fail stop 1 Can't make connection This is equivalent to the following in C-Kermit or K95: set network type tcp/ip set set host xyzcorp.com if fail stop 1 Can't make connection - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 15:25:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07350 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16059 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!nntp.usace.army.mil!news From: "almeria NWP, ralph M" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I am having a problem is setting up a script to dial an alphanumeric pager.... Date: 3 Jul 1997 19:08:57 GMT Organization: Portland District Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bc87e4$44d16c80$c1cba189@almeria-ralph.npp.usace.army.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: nwp203-193.nwp.usace.army.mil X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7258 I am using the source script TAPMSG and APAGE to try to dial up an alphanumeric pager from Solaris 2.5 and C-Kermit 6.0.192. I have gotten what is called a PIN or HANDLE number and wonder if it is the same thing as the Pager ID that is mentioned in the C-Kermit book? At any rate when I try to dial to the pager service using the pager's phone number...it won't work. It comes back "NO CARRIER" or "BUSY". Now I am using this same modem/line to dial out to another computer. So I know that I can connect to other computers using this connection; however, I can't seem to dial the pager's number. Any ideas? Anybody I can call to get specs on the interface. Thanks, Ralph From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 15:31:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA09303 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16473 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 15:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I am having a problem is setting up a script to dial an alphanumeric pager.... Date: 3 Jul 1997 19:31:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5pgump$g2m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bc87e4$44d16c80$c1cba189@almeria-ralph.npp.usace.army.mil> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7259 In article <01bc87e4$44d16c80$c1cba189@almeria-ralph.npp.usace.army.mil>, almeria NWP, ralph M wrote: : I am using the source script TAPMSG and APAGE to try to dial up an : alphanumeric pager from Solaris 2.5 and C-Kermit 6.0.192. I have gotten : what is called a PIN or HANDLE number and wonder if it is the same thing as : the Pager ID that is mentioned in the C-Kermit book? At any rate when I : try to dial to the pager service using the pager's phone number...it won't : work. It comes back "NO CARRIER" or "BUSY". : Then you haven't even gotten as far as the TAPMSG script. First you have to translate the page service's instructions for connection into an appropriate replacement for the APAGE macro -- put the service's phone number into it, replacing the dummy one, and change the other communications parameters as appropriate (modem type, speed, parity, etc). Once you get a successful connection, then if the services is a standard TAP service, the macro should work. (Again, as noted earlier today, you might have to pick up a fresh copy of the ckepage.ksc file if your version of C-Kermit complains about "line too long" when TAKEing the ckepage.ksc file...) : Now I am using this same modem/line to dial out to another computer. So I : know that I can connect to other computers using this connection; however, : I can't seem to dial the pager's number. Any ideas? Anybody I can call to : get specs on the interface. : Your paging service. The fact that you can call other computers does not mean you can call a paging service using the same parameters -- they often have rather strict requirements as to speed, parity, modem protocols, etc. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 19:02:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19238 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01447 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:02:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Horst Michael Meissner Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with kermittool for mac. Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 21:39:26 +0200 Organization: University of Karlsruhe, Germany Lines: 39 Message-ID: <33BBFFEE.5BEA@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: tkmhp8.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/715) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!news-pen-4.sprintlink.net!news-pen-16.sprintlink.net!news.nysernet.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.137.48.149!news7.dearborn.agis.net!news.monmouth.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!160.45.4.4!fu-berlin.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-ulm.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7260 Hi, kermittool (103) works fine for me to transerver files with comunicatelite from a HP Workstation for a long time. But now the Workstation was updated from HP-UX 9 to 10 and with this upgrade the version of kermit has changed: kermit C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX Type ? for help C-Kermit> [/users/tkm/horst] C-Kermit>version C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00 Numeric: 600192 And now if i type in the HP kermit : send any.doc And start the transfer on the mac. The comunicateliste hangs and kermittool does not transfer any file. Any hint ?? -- Horst -------------------------------------------------- | Horst Meissner | | Sudetenstr. 5 | | 75057 Kuernbach | | Tel.(privat):(07258) 6566 | | Tel.(uni):(0721) 608-3588 | | Email:Horst.Meissner@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de | | http://www-tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de/~horst/ | -------------------------------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 19:09:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20116 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01841 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem with kermittool for mac. Date: 3 Jul 1997 23:09:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5phbf7$1pe$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33BBFFEE.5BEA@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7261 In article <33BBFFEE.5BEA@tkm.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Horst Michael Meissner wrote: : kermittool (103) works fine for me to transerver files : with comunicatelite from a HP Workstation for a long time. : But now the Workstation was updated from HP-UX 9 to 10 and with : this upgrade the version of kermit has changed: : : kermit : C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX : Type ? for help : C-Kermit> : : [/users/tkm/horst] C-Kermit>version : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00 : Numeric: 600192 : : And now if i type in the HP kermit : : : send any.doc : : And start the transfer on the mac. The comunicateliste hangs and : kermittool does not transfer any file. : : Any hint ?? : Sorry, no. "kermittool" is not ours. We have no experience with it and do not know anything about it. It probably makes a lot of mistakes in its interpretation of the extensibility features of the protocol, so when it tries to interoperate with newer Kermit implementations, all of its incorrect assumptions prove false, and it fails. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 3 19:12:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20485 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA02102 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:12:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33BBB260.1BEF@ibm.net> Date: Thu, 03 Jul 1997 14:08:47 +0000 From: Michael Roeder Reply-To: mroede1@ibm.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc To: Frank da Cruz Subject: Re: C-Kermit Paging script problem References: <33BA9E5A.742@ibm.net> <5pgi1o$31c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.238.172 Lines: 19 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.gw.com!news.deshaw.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!206.252.192.28!news.stealth.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.enteract.com!newsfeed.enteract.com!feed1.news.erols.com!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!129.37.238.172 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:115603 comp.os.linux.misc:202289 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7262 Wow, Thanks very much! I would have sent you mail, but I couldn't tell from the website where to send the mail. Actually, I seemed to have found the problem. There were 5 places where semicolons were missing from the comments in the the ckepage.ksc. One was before the "No prompt", another was in front of the "Timed out or unknown response", in front of "Forced disconnect," in front of "Illegal message" and at the end "Timed out or unknown response." That fixed my problem. Possibly the compiled version I downloaded has a bad version of this script. I have since used ckepage with success! So 1K length may not be the issue here. Thanks! Now I need to get the C-Kermit book Mike Roeder From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 4 11:59:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15646 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15625 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 4 Jul 1997 11:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Paging script problem Date: 4 Jul 1997 15:59:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <5pj6l5$f87$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33BA9E5A.742@ibm.net> <5pgi1o$31c$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> <33BBB260.1BEF@ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.aix:115653 comp.os.linux.misc:202398 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7264 In article <33BBB260.1BEF@ibm.net>, Michael Roeder wrote: [Regarding the C-Kermit Alpha Paging script...] : Actually, I seemed to have found the problem. There were 5 places where : semicolons were missing from the comments in the the ckepage.ksc. One : was before the "No prompt", another was in front of the "Timed out or : unknown response", in front of "Forced disconnect," in front of "Illegal : message" and at the end "Timed out or unknown response." That fixed my : problem. Possibly the compiled version I downloaded has a bad version of : this script. : These are not comments, they are error messages to be printed by the script under the appropriate conditions; thus they should not be commented out. The Kermit command: END means to exit from the current command level (macro or command file) to the previous one, returning a code of (0 = success, nonzero = failure) and print the . The status code and text are optional. : I have since used ckepage with success! So 1K length may not be the : issue here. : It was -- the TAPMSG script was just a few bytes over 1K in length; the new one fits in 1K: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckepage.ksc Its size was reduced by abbreviating some of the commands (IN for INPUT, OUT for OUTPUT, etc). Incidentally, while looking at this problem, I also discovered that the END command, when issued from within a SWITCH statment, did not produce the desired effect, and so: 1. A source-level patch was added to the C-Kermit PATCHES file: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/f/PATCHES 2. The updated ckepage.ksc works around this by using STOP rather than END. However, this could interfere with applications that embed calls to TAPMSG within other C-Kermit scripts, so solution (1) is preferable. The next C-Kermit release will fix this problem. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 5 12:31:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01332 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04342 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:31:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.wildstar.net!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.per.connect.com.au!news.wantree.com.au!not-for-mail From: Bruce Cook Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using telnet and MS-Kermit Date: 06 Jul 1997 00:11:09 -0800 Organization: The Bicycle Factory Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <31dabc20.0@dcez3.nicom.com> <5pgrmd$d4b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: per2-111.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Cache-Post-Path: cletus.kintailrd!unknown@donal.kintailrd Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7265 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > If you can make a Telnet connection with MS-DOS Kermit by hand, then > you can do it in a script: > > ; Give TCP/IP setup commands here > set port tcp xyzcorp.com > pause 0 > if fail stop 1 Can't make connection > > This is equivalent to the following in C-Kermit or K95: > > set network type tcp/ip > set set host xyzcorp.com > if fail stop 1 Can't make connection Alternative that works in either (pre-defined script): telnet xyzcorp.com -- ...BRU Bruce Cook, Synonet Corp. E-Mail: bcook@wantree.com.au Phone: +061 15 999 330 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 5 12:37:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02823 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04763 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 12:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using telnet and MS-Kermit Date: 5 Jul 1997 16:37:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5plt87$4kp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <31dabc20.0@dcez3.nicom.com> <5pgrmd$d4b$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7266 In article , Bruce Cook wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > If you can make a Telnet connection with MS-DOS Kermit by hand, then : > you can do it in a script: : > : > ; Give TCP/IP setup commands here : > set port tcp xyzcorp.com : > pause 0 : > if fail stop 1 Can't make connection : > : > This is equivalent to the following in C-Kermit or K95: : > : > set network type tcp/ip : > set set host xyzcorp.com : > if fail stop 1 Can't make connection : : Alternative that works in either (pre-defined script): : : telnet xyzcorp.com : TELNET is not a built-in command in MS-DOS Kermit. It's a macro that is defined only if the user executed the standard MSKERMIT.INI file. And TELNET includes an implied CONNECT, which is not always what you want in a script program. In fact, using TELNET rather than SET HOST (or SET PORT TCP) in a login script is the most common script-writing error. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 5 18:42:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA00899 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 18:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24805 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 18:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.radio.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news.apfel.de!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!diana.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: "Mario de Vicente" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I find Kermit 95 Date: 5 Jul 1997 22:21:41 GMT Organization: Particular Lines: 3 Message-ID: <01bc8992$9ed4ada0$dd564dc3@mariovic> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp221.86.redestb.es X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7268 Does anybody know if i can find Kermit 95 in an internet applications server? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 5 18:47:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01715 for ; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 18:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25074 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 5 Jul 1997 18:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I find Kermit 95 Date: 5 Jul 1997 22:47:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5pmiui$ofg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bc8992$9ed4ada0$dd564dc3@mariovic> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7269 In article <01bc8992$9ed4ada0$dd564dc3@mariovic>, Mario de Vicente wrote: : Does anybody know if i can find Kermit 95 in an internet applications : server? : All the info about Kermit 95 is at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 6 10:43:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25786 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 10:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21167 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 10:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.255.96.40!intex.net!not-for-mail From: achalk@intex.net (Andrew Chalk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer echo problem Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 14:23:30 GMT Organization: Intex.Net (http://www.intex.net/) Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5poa33$t65$1@alcor.nstar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: pppa016.nstar.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7271 I am using a micro to communicate from a kermit implementation that I wrote to Kermit-TSO v4.0 (88/3/14). When I use the RECEIVE command and send my SEND-INIT packet, the mainframe ECHOS BACK the SEND-INIT packet, and then sends the expected ACK. In fact, when I modified my code to handle this i found that the mainframe echoes back EVERY PACKET I send, including the 'D' (DATA) packets before returning the expected response? Is this a bug in Kermit-TSO or a setting on the mainframe. It certainly is strange! Regards. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 6 11:53:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03915 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA25097 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer echo problem Date: 6 Jul 1997 15:53:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5pof2j$og7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5poa33$t65$1@alcor.nstar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7273 In article <5poa33$t65$1@alcor.nstar.net>, Andrew Chalk wrote: : I am using a micro to communicate from a kermit implementation that I : wrote to Kermit-TSO v4.0 (88/3/14). When I use the RECEIVE : command and send my SEND-INIT packet, the mainframe ECHOS BACK the : SEND-INIT packet, and then sends the expected ACK. In fact, when I : modified my code to handle this i found that the mainframe echoes back : EVERY PACKET I send, including the 'D' (DATA) packets before returning : the expected response? : : Is this a bug in Kermit-TSO or a setting on the mainframe. It : certainly is strange! : And through what kind of device are you accessing the mainframe? Evidently it is some sort of 3270 protocol converter that has not been put into transparent mode. You should install the current version of IBM mainframe Kermit (4.3.1), since it has a better chance of detecting the kind of protocol converter and putting it into transparent mode automatically. If that doesn't work, read the IBM Mainframe Kermit manual on this topic: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/iktker.{ps,doc} In the worst case, you've got a 3270 protocol converter that does not support transparent mode, and so your Kermit version must cope with the echoes and other phenomena (line wrapping, etc). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 6 12:32:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA10141 for ; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27489 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 6 Jul 1997 12:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!news1.alt.net!usenet From: artstone@ibm.net (Art Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer echo problem Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 16:09:43 GMT Organization: Altopia Corp. - Usenet Access - http://www.altopia.com Lines: 25 Message-ID: <33bfc221.879459@news.alt.net> References: <5poa33$t65$1@alcor.nstar.net> Reply-To: artstone@usa.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.0/32.390 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7274 On Sun, 06 Jul 1997 14:23:30 GMT, Andrew Chalk excited 13 billion electrons with: >I am using a micro to communicate from a kermit implementation that I >wrote to Kermit-TSO v4.0 (88/3/14). When I use the RECEIVE >command and send my SEND-INIT packet, the mainframe ECHOS BACK the >SEND-INIT packet, and then sends the expected ACK. In fact, when I >modified my code to handle this i found that the mainframe echoes back >EVERY PACKET I send, including the 'D' (DATA) packets before returning >the expected response? > >Is this a bug in Kermit-TSO or a setting on the mainframe. It >certainly is strange! > Sounds like the mainframe has "echo" enabled - while recently writing a host implementation, I (very) temporary had the same symptom. You should try to find out how to disable echo. In the event you are unable to disable echo, Mr. da Cruz mentions in his book that you can resolve this by checking to see if the response packet type matches the last packet you sent. Since this condition never occurs in the protocol, you can safely ignore the echoed packets. Art Stone --- Just one of the 16% of Internet users who used to use AOL From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 7 06:26:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA14730 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 06:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA12138 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 06:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.255.96.40!intex.net!not-for-mail From: achalk@intex.net (Andrew Chalk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer echo problem Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:23:34 GMT Organization: Intex.Net (http://www.intex.net/) Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5pqcsu$hi1$1@alcor.nstar.net> References: <5poa33$t65$1@alcor.nstar.net> <5pof2j$og7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: pppa020.nstar.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7277 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <5poa33$t65$1@alcor.nstar.net>, >Andrew Chalk wrote: >: I am using a micro to communicate from a kermit implementation that I >: wrote to Kermit-TSO v4.0 (88/3/14). When I use the RECEIVE >: command and send my SEND-INIT packet, the mainframe ECHOS BACK the >: SEND-INIT packet, and then sends the expected ACK. In fact, when I >: modified my code to handle this i found that the mainframe echoes back >: EVERY PACKET I send, including the 'D' (DATA) packets before returning >: the expected response? >: >: Is this a bug in Kermit-TSO or a setting on the mainframe. It >: certainly is strange! >: >And through what kind of device are you accessing the mainframe? >Evidently it is some sort of 3270 protocol converter that has not been >put into transparent mode. You should install the current version of >IBM mainframe Kermit (4.3.1), since it has a better chance of detecting >the kind of protocol converter and putting it into transparent mode >automatically. If that doesn't work, read the IBM Mainframe Kermit >manual on this topic: > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/iktker.{ps,doc} >In the worst case, you've got a 3270 protocol converter that does not >support transparent mode, and so your Kermit version must cope with the >echoes and other phenomena (line wrapping, etc). >- Frank Many thanks for the information Frank. This is at a customer's site, so I will pass it on. I modified my Kermit implementation and it now works with this 3270 (or other) device. Regards. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 7 14:39:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25273 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11467 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: funny problem with SERVER Message-ID: Date: 3 Jul 97 13:21:30 MDT References: <33BC19E9.49AB@indigo.ie> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7280 In article <33BC19E9.49AB@indigo.ie>, "Eoin C. Bairéad" writes: > hi > > I've a funny problem with SERVER between VAX-VMS running the latest > C-KERMIT and a PC using the latest MSKermit > > I start CKERMIT on the VAX > and go into SERVER mode > ALT-X back to the PC, and enter > GET *.TXT > > the first text file comes across as > X.TXT > the next attempts X.TXT, but renames it > and so on > > if I say > GET A*.TXT > then > AFILE1.TXT > comes over as AX.TXT > AFILE2.TXT attemts AX.TXT, and renames > and so on. > > I've checked .INI files, and I see NOTHING !!! > > Has anyone any idea where I should be looking ?? > > thank you > > Eoin Bairéad > Dublin, Ireland ------------- I think matters are not quite what they seem. DOS uses filename format of "8.3" with restrictions on characters. VMS does not follow these rules. Thus MS-DOS Kermit converts incoming filenames to DOS format. Extra dots in the name, for example, trigger such conversion. Please look very carefully at the VMS filenames. I'll bet they look like a.file1.txt and a.file2.txt and so on. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 7 14:40:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25365 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11511 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: funny problem with SERVER Message-ID: <9uVChscgo4VW@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 97 13:44:30 MDT References: <33BC19E9.49AB@indigo.ie> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7281 In article , jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > I think matters are not quite what they seem. DOS uses filename > format of "8.3" with restrictions on characters. VMS does not follow these > rules. Thus MS-DOS Kermit converts incoming filenames to DOS format. Extra > dots in the name, for example, trigger such conversion. Please look very > carefully at the VMS filenames. I'll bet they look like a.file1.txt and > a.file2.txt and so on. > Joe D. VMS doesn't allow extra dots in a filename; that's why when you FTP something onto the cluster from Unix, you often wind up with a file name that looks something like BOOGER.DAT$5NZ (this is how Multinet deals with the filename booger.dat.Z). This is particularly annoying from Linux; for some reason the FTP client I'm using on Linux insists on prepending "./" to all filenames it finds for an mput. I wind up with a directory full of files named .$5N*... Also, MS-DOS has few, if any, restrictions on characters that can be used in a filename. MS-DOS Kermit is certainly much more conservative than MS-DOS itself. -------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Roger Ivie | "Buy more. Buy more now. Buy." ivie@cc.usu.edu | -- Omm http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 7 22:28:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15141 for ; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA14699 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.237.233.10!wesley.videotron.net!walton.videotron.net!not-for-mail From: jfmezei <"jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.aos Subject: Getting Kermit onto a DG machine Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:06:25 -0500 Organization: VTL Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5ps6of$oms$1@walton.videotron.net> Reply-To: "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp109.104.mmtl.videotron.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7283 I have recently inherited maintenance of an old DG MV15000 running AOS-VS 7.64 , and of course, the first thing I want to do to it in order to be able to manage it is to get kermit running in server mode on it so I can transfer files to a system with a decent editor etc. I managed to download the kermit for AOS-VS from the columbia site, but the only tool I have to get onto the DG is a CEO-BLAST program. The latter did transfer the .PR file, but created it as a UDF type which the DG won't allow me to execute. Any hints on how to make that file look like an executable ? Also, the kermit doc said that it was compiled for 7.69. Anyone know if it would work on 7.64 ? That machine does have a c compiler. Any help appreciated. (note: for email replies, remove the spam counter-measures). From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 07:24:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23268 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA13818 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.indigo.ie!not-for-mail From: "Eoin C. Bairéad" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SERVER funny Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:48:00 -0700 Organization: Comhairleoir Ríomhaireachta Lines: 35 Message-ID: <33C26F40.66A6@indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: ts08-10.dublin.indigo.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02E-KIT (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7284 Excuse me if this question appeared last week; I submitted it, but it never appeared on my NEWS server. The following funny happens on one, and only one, PC. I've looked for .INI files all over the place, but I can find NOTHING. Does anyone have any ideas ? I'm running the latest C-Kermit on a VMS VAX, and the latest MS-KERMIT on a PC. I fire up SERVER on the VAX, and, on the PC, I do a GET *.DAT the 1st file comes across as X.DAT the 2nd attempts to coma across as X.DAT, recognises the collision, and becomes X0000001.DAT The 3rd becomes X0000002.DAT etc. If I do GET A*.DAT I get AX.DAT AX000001.DAT AX000002.DAT etc. would anyone have an idea where I could even begin to look ? Thank you Eoin Bairéad Dublin, Ireland From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 07:55:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27655 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA15534 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:55:20 -0400 (EDT) From: andersr@gryphon (Roderick A. Anderson) Subject: Re: SERVER funny Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <33C26F40.66A6@indigo.ie> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] NNTP-Posting-Host: cda0-21.iea.com Message-ID: <33c229ad.0@news.iea.net> Date: 8 Jul 97 11:51:09 GMT Lines: 47 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.iea.net!andersr Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7285 What wildcard is the splat used for? On UNICES and DOS' it is many "I don't cares" whereas on a Data General it is one character (like the hook (?) in UNIX and DOS). Since I've seem to remember the Data General AOS operating system was developed by a lot of VAXites. A splat mat be for one character if it is a wildcard on the VAX at all. Therefore the X.DAT. Remeber the wildcards are those for the system you are getting- or sending-from. Rod Eoin C. Bairéad (ebairead@indigo.ie) wrote: : Excuse me if this question appeared last week; I submitted it, but it : never appeared on my NEWS server. : The following funny happens on one, and only one, PC. I've looked for : .INI files all over the place, but I can find NOTHING. : Does anyone have any ideas ? : I'm running the latest C-Kermit on a VMS VAX, and the latest MS-KERMIT on : a PC. : I fire up SERVER on the VAX, and, on the PC, I do a : GET *.DAT : the 1st file comes across as : X.DAT : the 2nd attempts to coma across as X.DAT, recognises the collision, and : becomes X0000001.DAT : The 3rd becomes X0000002.DAT : etc. : If I do : GET A*.DAT : I get : AX.DAT : AX000001.DAT : AX000002.DAT : etc. : would anyone have an idea where I could even begin to look ? : Thank you : Eoin Bairéad : Dublin, Ireland From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 08:02:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA28504 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15831 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:02:29 -0400 (EDT) From: andersr@gryphon (Roderick A. Anderson) Subject: Re: Getting Kermit onto a DG machine Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.aos Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.aos References: <5ps6of$oms$1@walton.videotron.net> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] NNTP-Posting-Host: cda0-21.iea.com Message-ID: <33c22b23.0@news.iea.net> Date: 8 Jul 97 11:57:23 GMT Lines: 32 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.iea.net!andersr Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7286 jfmezei ("jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]) wrote: : I have recently inherited maintenance of an old DG MV15000 running : AOS-VS 7.64 , and of course, the first thing I want to do to it in order : to be able to manage it is to get kermit running in server mode on it so : I can transfer files to a system with a decent editor etc. : I managed to download the kermit for AOS-VS from the columbia site, but : the only tool I have to get onto the DG is a CEO-BLAST program. The : latter did transfer the .PR file, but created it as a UDF type which the : DG won't allow me to execute. : Any hints on how to make that file look like an executable ? Off the top of my head (since I'm trying to wean myself from Data General) I'd suggest these steps: create/type=prv nkermit.pr copy/a nkermit.pr kermit.pr x nkermit If it works then delete the kermit.pr and rename the nkermit.pr to kermit.pr Please read the HELP on the above commands before trying them. : Also, the kermit doc said that it was compiled for 7.69. Anyone know if : it would work on 7.64 ? That machine does have a c compiler. Can't help you here. I've only had a little experience with the DG C compiler and it wasn't fun. : Any help appreciated. : (note: for email replies, remove the spam counter-measures). From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 11:17:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27437 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28273 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!feed1.news.erols.com!news.nl.innet.net!INnl.net!feed1.news.innet.be!INbe.net!news.belnet.be!news-zh.switch.ch!news.alcatel.ch!news From: Walter Pollini 6420 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit hangs after a successful file transfer ! Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:58:43 +0200 Organization: STS AG Lines: 44 Message-ID: <33C24793.167EB0E7@stest.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: crux.alcatel.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.3_U1 sun4m) CC: walter.pollini@stest.ch Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7287 I have built kermit for the following system: C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for AT&T System V/386 R4 Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Default file-transfer mode is BINARY Type ? or HELP for help. [/] C-Kermit> After a successful file transfer with (send/receive) (text/binary) I can not connect back to the kermit that I have built (AT&T V/386 R4). kermit hangs in a strange status. It's the same behavior when I use server mode. I must kill this kermit. On the other side there is a kermit fuer SunOS 4.1 C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for SunOS 4.1 Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Default file-transfer mode is BINARY Type ? or HELP for help. [/usr] C-Kermit> The 2 systems are direct connected. Thanks for any good ideas to solve this problem. -- Walter Pollini e-mail: walter.pollini@stest.ch Phone: +41 1 454 6714 FAX: +41 1 454 6605 GSM: +41 79 414 3903 -----------+ Switching Test Solutions /-----\ | an Alcatel Telecom and Wandel & Goltermann Company | STS | -----------+ Friesenbergstrasse 75, CH-8055 Zuerich \-----/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 12:51:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18636 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03668 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SERVER funny Date: 8 Jul 1997 16:51:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <5ptr5u$3ii$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33C26F40.66A6@indigo.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7288 In article <33C26F40.66A6@indigo.ie>, Eoin C. Bairéad wrote: : Excuse me if this question appeared last week; I submitted it, but it : never appeared on my NEWS server. : I think it's been responded to at least twice. : The following funny happens on one, and only one, PC. I've looked for : .INI files all over the place, but I can find NOTHING. : Does anyone have any ideas ? : Are you asking, "where are the INI files?" They come with the program. The MS-DOS Kermit diskette contains them, the MSVIBM.ZIP file (which is the image of the diskette) contains them. For C-Kermit, it depends on the OS -- UNIX, VMS, etc. Full instructions about how to obtain binaries, source code, INI files, associated online documentation, and manuals, is on our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html : I'm running the latest C-Kermit on a VMS VAX, and the latest MS-KERMIT on : a PC. : When you say latest, what versions do you mean? : I fire up SERVER on the VAX, and, on the PC, I do a : GET *.DAT : : the 1st file comes across as : X.DAT : the 2nd attempts to coma across as X.DAT, recognises the collision, and : becomes X0000001.DAT : The 3rd becomes X0000002.DAT : etc. : : If I do : GET A*.DAT : I get : : AX.DAT : AX000001.DAT : AX000002.DAT : etc. : : would anyone have an idea where I could even begin to look ? : It looks as if VMS is trying to send multiple files with the same name. This normally should not happen, so I would need additional information to tell you why it is happening in this case. As you may know, VMS keeps multiple versions of the same file: X.DAT;1, X.DAT;2, X.DAT;3, etc. But unless you instruct it otherwise, VMS C-Kermit sends only the most recent (highest-numbered) version. To get your problem solved, the best course is to collect a packet log ("log packets" makes a file called PACKET.LOG) and send it by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 12:54:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19049 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03868 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 12:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit hangs after a successful file transfer ! Date: 8 Jul 1997 16:54:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5ptrbm$3oq$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33C24793.167EB0E7@stest.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7289 In article <33C24793.167EB0E7@stest.ch>, Walter Pollini 6420 wrote: : I have built kermit for the following system: : : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for AT&T System V/386 R4 : Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, : Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. : Default file-transfer mode is BINARY : Type ? or HELP for help. : [/] C-Kermit> : : After a successful file transfer with (send/receive) (text/binary) : I can not connect back to the kermit that I have built (AT&T V/386 R4). : On what kind of connection? : kermit hangs in a strange status. It's the same behavior when I use : server mode. : I must kill this kermit. : On the other side there is a kermit fuer SunOS 4.1 : The most likely explanation is that you did not use the most appropriate makefile entry to build C-Kermit for your PC. Exactly which operating system and version do you have? Which C compiler? Please follow up by sending additional information by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 14:22:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06382 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10501 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SERVER funny Date: 8 Jul 1997 18:22:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5pu0hp$a83$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33C26F40.66A6@indigo.ie> <33c229ad.0@news.iea.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7290 In article <33c229ad.0@news.iea.net>, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: : What wildcard is the splat used for? On UNICES and DOS' it is many "I : don't cares" whereas on a Data General it is one character (like the : hook (?) in UNIX and DOS). : Since I've seem to remember the Data General AOS operating system : was developed by a lot of VAXites. A splat mat be for one character : if it is a wildcard on the VAX at all. Therefore the X.DAT. Remeber : the wildcards are those for the system you are getting- or : sending-from. : AOS/VS has completely different wildcard characters from UNIX, VMS, etc. They are listed in the AOS/VS Appendix of "Using C-Kermit" (Table V-1 on page 548 of the 2nd Edition). Very roughly: + is like * * is like ? - is like * except stops at . ^ is like .. (in UNIX) or like - (in VMS) # is like ... (in VMS) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 14:23:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06407 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10505 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!hammer.uoregon.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!sun4nl!Leiden.NL.net!cti-software.nl!news From: pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: reverse telnet using raw TCP (Linux modemd) Date: 8 Jul 1997 19:19:47 +0200 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5ptsrj$mfk@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti-software.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7291 I am trying to get K95 working as a client for modemd for Linux. Modemd allows a client PC to use a modem connected to a Linux server. It listens to a predefined TCP port and then connects the client supposedly transparantly to the modem. Modemd is basically a modified telnetd. But it does not do any TELNET negotiations and does not set up a pty, but opens a modem device instead. When I connect to this port using K95, I have to use set telnet echo remote in order to prevent double echoes. But there is one problem I cannot seem to prevent: when I type AT, the modem responds with OK instead of OK. Where is this translation happening ? If it is happening inside K95, how can I prevent this ? This problem is similar to the problem I have with using the raw TCP ports of a Cisco 2500 for reverse telnet. Modemd source is quite small and can be viewed at http://www.pi.se/blox/modemd.shar . -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3067373 Fax : +31 70 3067374 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 14:30:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08025 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11183 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reverse telnet using raw TCP (Linux modemd) Date: 8 Jul 1997 18:30:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5pu10b$g3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5ptsrj$mfk@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7292 In article <5ptsrj$mfk@chagall.cti-software.nl>, Pim Zandbergen wrote: : I am trying to get K95 working as a client for modemd for Linux. : Modemd allows a client PC to use a modem connected to a Linux server. : It listens to a predefined TCP port and then connects the client supposedly : transparantly to the modem. : : Modemd is basically a modified telnetd. But it does not do any TELNET : negotiations and does not set up a pty, but opens a modem device instead. : : When I connect to this port using K95, I have to use : set telnet echo remote : in order to prevent double echoes. : Because, in the absence of any Telnet negotiations to the contrary (DO/DONT/WILL/WONT ECHO), echo is local. Therefore modemd is acting improperly by echoing. : But there is one problem I cannot seem to prevent: when I type : AT, the modem responds with OK instead of OK. : Again, I think the problem is that K95 is obeying the Telnet NVT specification and the server is not. K95 has a command to let you tell it to skip the proper NVT behavior with regard to carriage returns: SET TELNET NEWLINE BINARY { ON, OFF, RAW } Try "raw" or "off". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 8 14:48:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12472 for ; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.aos Subject: Re: Getting Kermit onto a DG machine Date: 8 Jul 1997 18:48:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5pu21p$159$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5ps6of$oms$1@walton.videotron.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7293 comp.os.aos:1080 In article <5ps6of$oms$1@walton.videotron.net>, jfmezei <"jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]> wrote: : I have recently inherited maintenance of an old DG MV15000 running : AOS-VS 7.64 , and of course, the first thing I want to do to it in order : to be able to manage it is to get kermit running in server mode on it so : I can transfer files to a system with a decent editor etc. : : I managed to download the kermit for AOS-VS from the columbia site, but : the only tool I have to get onto the DG is a CEO-BLAST program. The : latter did transfer the .PR file, but created it as a UDF type which the : DG won't allow me to execute. : Giving this type to a downloaded file must be a peculiarity of Blast -- it doesn't happen with FTP or Kermit. : Any hints on how to make that file look like an executable ? : The advice posted by Roderick Anderson works: create/type=prv x.x copy/a x.x kermit.pr delete kermit.pr rename x.x kermit.pr You can also use create/type=unx. (Note: The AOS/VS COPY command is right-to-left rather than left-to-right.) : Also, the kermit doc said that it was compiled for 7.69. Anyone know if : it would work on 7.64 ? That machine does have a c compiler. : I have no idea. However, should you find that the distributed binary does not work on your version, let me know and I'll tell you how to build from source code. Also note that AOS/VS and AOS/VS-II are two separate operating systems; there is a separate C-Kermit binary for each. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 9 06:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24543 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA17454 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!EU.net!sun4nl!sun4nl!Utrecht.NL.net!Leiden.NL.net!cti-software.nl!news From: pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reverse telnet using raw TCP (Linux modemd) Date: 9 Jul 1997 11:58:31 +0200 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5pvnc7$koi@chagall.cti-software.nl> References: <5ptsrj$mfk@chagall.cti-software.nl> <5pu10b$g3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti-software.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7296 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >: But there is one problem I cannot seem to prevent: when I type >: AT, the modem responds with OK instead of OK. >: >Again, I think the problem is that K95 is obeying the Telnet NVT >specification and the server is not. K95 has a command to let you tell >it to skip the proper NVT behavior with regard to carriage returns: > SET TELNET NEWLINE BINARY { ON, OFF, RAW } >Try "raw" or "off". Because modemd does not answer to any telnet negotiation initiated by K95, K95 (1.1.13) never seems to go into binary mode, no matter what SET TELNET BINARY-MODE option I use. I now have the proper newline behaviour by using SET TELNET NEWLINE NVT RAW, but I wonder what problems I might expect if K95 remains using NVT mode. The manual says that when telnet binary mode is negotiated, all characters are sent unquoted, except TELNET IAC. Is there any way to send IAC unquoted ? This would probably mean skip the telnet protocol all together, but this is just what I want. It would probably even allow ZMODEM transfers over modem servers, which would be a plus. -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3067373 Fax : +31 70 3067374 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 9 09:52:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22267 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28111 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: reverse telnet using raw TCP (Linux modemd) Date: 9 Jul 1997 13:52:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5q0524$2pl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5ptsrj$mfk@chagall.cti-software.nl> <5pu10b$g3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5pvnc7$koi@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7298 In article <5pvnc7$koi@chagall.cti-software.nl>, Pim Zandbergen wrote: : Because modemd does not answer to any telnet negotiation initiated by : K95, K95 (1.1.13) never seems to go into binary mode, no matter what : SET TELNET BINARY-MODE option I use. That is because you are using a TELNET client. And a TELNET client may not leave NVT mode until the remote side agrees via negotiation. Since your modemd does not support the TELNET protocol, you should not expect a TELNET client to provide a RAW socket. However, if you place modemd on a port other than port 23 (the TELNET port), Kermit will not assume it is a TELNET client unless the other side begins the negotiation process first. To connect to modemd on port 1500, SET HOST 1500 Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 9 14:52:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08616 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12341 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!europa.clark.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.122.128.2!cmcl2.nyu.edu!news.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to clear the terminal emulator Date: 9 Jul 1997 12:44:51 -0400 Organization: , New York University Lines: 4 Message-ID: <5q0f63$g9f@merv.cs.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: merv.cs.nyu.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7299 Excuse this elementarry but cant find the answer in my books. How does one clear the terminal emulator when it gets into a bad state other character set or other things From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 9 15:32:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17547 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15751 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 9 Jul 1997 15:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to clear the terminal emulator Date: 9 Jul 1997 19:32:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5q0p0g$dou$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5q0f63$g9f@merv.cs.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7300 In article <5q0f63$g9f@merv.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick wrote: : Excuse this elementarry but cant find the answer in my books. : How does one clear the terminal emulator when it gets into a bad state : other character set or other things : That depends on which program you're talking about. If it's MS-DOS Kermit, "reset emulator" is assigned to Alt-= by default. In Kermit 95 it's Alt-r (or Alt-=). If you are running a relatively recent version, you'll see a notation in the status line saying you can get help with Alt-h, and if you do that, it tells you which key or key combination "reset emulator" is assigned to. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 00:03:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA03401 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA17651 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!205.237.233.10!wesley.videotron.net!walton.videotron.net!not-for-mail From: jfmezei <"jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam]> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.aos Subject: Re: Getting Kermit onto a DG machine Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 22:54:34 -0500 Organization: VTL Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5q1lr5$jf7$2@walton.videotron.net> References: <5ps6of$oms$1@walton.videotron.net> <33c22b23.0@news.iea.net> Reply-To: "jfmezei"@videotron.ca[nospam] NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp108.114.mmtl.videotron.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7302 Roderick A. Anderson wrote: > Off the top of my head (since I'm trying to wean myself from Data > General) I'd suggest these steps: > > create/type=prv nkermit.pr > copy/a nkermit.pr kermit.pr > x nkermit > > If it works then delete the kermit.pr and rename the nkermit.pr to kermit.pr Thanks a million ! It worked. I had limited experience with DG back in 88-89, and definitely understand why you'd want to wean yourself from it ! Having Kermit on that machine will allow me to do much more work on a more recent machine with more modern tools until that customer weans itself from that box. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 02:00:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA19756 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 02:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA21845 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 02:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!lynx.ozramp.net.au!mel-131.ozramp.net.au From: David Butt Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: smc lancards Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 14:30:06 +1100 Organization: Epworth Hospital Lines: 13 Message-ID: <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.ozramp.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7303 I have been trying to get Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS to work over a LAN using IP. I ask an expert to get envolved who has deterimned that the SMC lancards are the problem. SMC are being helpful but I was wondering if anyone else had encountered this problem and solved it another way. The reason I don't just buy another LAN card is because we have over 100 PC's using SMC based LAN cards. Thanking-you, David Butt Information Systems Epworth Hospital From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 07:34:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16697 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09345 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!131.103.1.114!chi-news.cic.net!152.160.100.1!condor.ic.net!news2.ic.net!news From: "Michael Kairys" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MB3 rings bell?? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:32:48 -0400 Organization: ICNET... Your Link To The Internet... +1.313.998.0090 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5q2go2$5cf@news2.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a.aa.ic.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7304 Kermit 95 1.1.13 on Windows NT 4.0: I want to set MB3 click to \Kpaste, because I run a program that makes MB2-click be seen as MB1-double-click. Okay, no problem, in my k95custom.ini I put "set mouse button 3 none click \Kpaste". And it works, except that it rings the terminal bell at the same time as doing the paste!. The same thing happens if I do the set command interactively at the Kermit prompt. How can I make this not happen? Thanks... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 08:50:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22689 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA13232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!EU.net!sun4nl!sun4nl!Leiden.NL.net!cti-software.nl!news From: pim@cti-software.nl (Pim Zandbergen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to SET MODEM COMMAND XXX to (none) Date: 10 Jul 1997 14:45:57 +0200 Organization: CTI Software BV, The Hague, the Netherlands Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5q2li5$5sf@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: chagall.cti-software.nl X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7305 In K95 (1.1.13), how do I set a modem command to (none) ? For instance, if I use SET MODEM COMMAND SPEAKER OFF {} the default association with the modem is assigned. -- E-mail : Pim Zandbergen S-mail : Laan Copes van Cattenburch 70, 2585 GD The Hague, The Netherlands Phone : +31 70 3067373 Fax : +31 70 3067374 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 08:54:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22890 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA13411 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!mis3!worldnet.att.net!nntpt.cb.lucent.com!nntphub.cb.lucent.com!ssbunews.ih.lucent.com!news From: Andrew Fielden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit won't use text transfer Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:38:08 +0100 Organization: Lucent Technologies Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33C4D7B0.70@mltsa.mlm.lucent.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: mltw074.uk.lucent.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7306 Setup: C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for SunOS 4.1 C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Red-Hat Linux When I download a text file to Linux, Kermit tells me the file type is binary. I thought the default mode was text. I also issued the command set file type text (on both kermits) Which has no effect - it still uses binary mode. Why is this, and how can I force text file transfer ? Thanks. Andrew Fielden. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 09:24:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25546 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14863 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MB3 rings bell?? Date: 10 Jul 1997 13:24:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5q2nq8$ju0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5q2go2$5cf@news2.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7307 In article <5q2go2$5cf@news2.ic.net>, Michael Kairys wrote: : Kermit 95 1.1.13 on Windows NT 4.0: : : I want to set MB3 click to \Kpaste, because I run a program that makes : MB2-click be seen as : MB1-double-click. Okay, no problem, in my k95custom.ini I put "set mouse : button 3 none click \Kpaste". And it works, except that it rings the : terminal bell at the same time as doing the paste!. : The same thing happens if I do the set command interactively at the Kermit : prompt. : : How can I make this not happen? This sounds like it may be one of two things: (1) a bug (2) your mouse driver sends more than just a mouse click event for Button 3. The thing to do is create a debug.log file using LOG DEBUG, CLOSE DEBUG to demonstrate the problem and send it to kermit-support@columbia.edu for analysis. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 11:57:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22292 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22939 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit won't use text transfer Date: 10 Jul 1997 15:57:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <5q30ok$oo1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33C4D7B0.70@mltsa.mlm.lucent.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7308 In article <33C4D7B0.70@mltsa.mlm.lucent.com>, Andrew Fielden wrote: : Setup: : : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for SunOS 4.1 : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Red-Hat Linux : : When I download a text file to Linux, Kermit tells me the file type is : binary. : I thought the default mode was text. I also issued the command : : set file type text (on both kermits) : : Which has no effect - it still uses binary mode. : Why is this, and how can I force text file transfer ? : You don't have to. When transferring between two UNIXes, there is no need to make a distinction between text and binary UNLESS you are transferring non-ASCII text (e.g. French, German, Russian, Greek, Hebrew, Japanese, ...) AND the two UNIXes use different character sets. As noted in the manual, C-Kermit 6.0 has a new feature in which it "recognizes itself" on the other end and goes into binary mode automatically if the operating system on both ends is the same. However, "the same" means both UNIX, not (e.g.) SunOS vs Linux. This same feature will also appear in other forthcoming Kermit programs. To defeat it and FORCE text-mode transfer, use: SET TRANSFER MODE MANUAL (as opposed to AUTOMATIC). See the new manual for further details: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html or just type "help set transfer" at the C-Kermit> prompt. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 15:45:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12896 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA04581 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 15:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to SET MODEM COMMAND XXX to (none) Date: 10 Jul 1997 19:45:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5q3e57$2qn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5q2li5$5sf@chagall.cti-software.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7309 In article <5q2li5$5sf@chagall.cti-software.nl>, Pim Zandbergen wrote: : In K95 (1.1.13), how do I set a modem command to (none) ? : : For instance, if I use : SET MODEM COMMAND SPEAKER OFF {} : the default association with the modem is assigned. : It looks like you have found a bug. We'll have to fix this one in a future release. In the meantime, you can do something like this: SET MODEM COMMAND SPEAKER OFF AT\13 (for Hayes-compatible modems) to work around the problem. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 16:15:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18411 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA06198 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news2.acs.oakland.edu!condor.ic.net!news2.ic.net!news From: "Michael Kairys" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MB3 rings bell?? Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 07:32:48 -0400 Organization: ICNET... Your Link To The Internet... +1.313.998.0090 Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5q2lkk$763@news2.ic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p15.a.aa.ic.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7311 Kermit 95 1.1.13 on Windows NT 4.0: I want to set MB3 click to \Kpaste, because I run a program that makes MB2-click be seen as MB1-double-click. Okay, no problem, in my k95custom.ini I put "set mouse button 3 none click \Kpaste". And it works, except that it rings the terminal bell at the same time as doing the paste!. The same thing happens if I do the set command interactively at the Kermit prompt. How can I make this not happen? Thanks... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 10 20:16:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA28907 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA18293 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 10 Jul 1997 20:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news.radio.cz!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Michael Veit Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit running under MS Windows 3.0 script-based or command-line-based Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 02:10:26 +0200 Organization: Tu Berlin Lines: 19 Message-ID: <33C579F2.3960@w422zrz.physik.tu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.149.1.232 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7312 I want to write a MS Windows 3.0 compatible program, which is able to establish a connection to a server via Kermit. There are two ways: 1. searching for a library and embedding of the whole Kermit procedures into my program (too much to do..) 2. starting an external kermit program (freeware ?) without user interaction. My program knows what to do, so the user shoud not see anything of the Kermit program. So it needs to be a program, which may work with a script or which may be controled by command line parameters. Are there any Kermit applications (or libraries) available, working in this way? Please email the answer. Thanks Michael email: veit@w422zrz.physik.tu-berlin.de From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 11 09:06:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03691 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14456 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!delos.dra.hmg.gb!server1.netnews.ja.net!warwick!bris.ac.uk!usenet From: k.r.hallam@bristol.ac.uk Subject: PC ---> PDP-11 micro/RSX problems X-Nntp-Posting-Host: dogger.iac.bris.ac.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <33C62D2E.67B4@bristol.ac.uk> Sender: usenet@fsa.bris.ac.uk (Usenet) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: University of Bristol, England Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 12:55:10 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I; 16bit) Lines: 42 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7313 Dear All, I've only just discovered that this group exists. I wonder if any of you could help me out with this problem. Does anyone have any knowledge about using KERMIT-11 (k11pos T3.50, 2nd. April 1986 (long packet support - whatever that means!), under micro/RSX (v. 3.1, base level 24C) on a Digital PDP-11 computer? I know I can uccessfully send text files from the PDP computer to a PC (286/25 Windows 3.1 kermit v. 3.14, 21st. May 1995, patch level 9). The PDP is part of an analytical instrument (VG Escascope) and I can see that when I log into the PDP, bits of software (tasks that appear when I use SHO TASKS) I assume are to do with the instrument get loaded up into memory, before I run the data acquisition software itself (stuff to do with the plotter, printer, etc.). I know I can send text files from the PDP to the PC and they seem to look o.k. when they arrive. I know I can send (after SET FILE TYPE BINARY) raw spectra and image files from the PDP to the PC (but, because they are in the manufacturer's format, I can't necessarily be sure they are still o.k.). But when I try and send these binary files back to the PDP, I get a "memory protect violation" error message and get kicked back out into the operating system on the PDP. Looking at the memory (SHO MEM) while logged into session 1 (tt0:), I see an entry for the other session (tt1:) appear when I start up kermit on the second session, and disappear when I try and RECEIVE, and kermit gets aborted, bt I don't really understand all that SHO MEM is saying to me. Anyone got any ideas? Need more details?? After an unfortunate occasion with a hard disc failure followed by two back-up tapes getting corrupted, I would like to use newer PC hardware as backup media, but need to be sure I can transfer my data back to the old PDP for processing in the future. Thankyou, Keith Hallam -- --- Interface Analysis Centre, University of Bristol, Oldbury House, 121, St. Michael's Hill, Bristol, BS2 8BS, England Telephone: +44 (0)117 925 5666 | Facsimile: +44 (0)117 925 5646 URL: http://www.phy.bris.ac.uk/research/iac/home.html From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 11 11:40:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00629 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22399 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit running under MS Windows 3.0 script-based or command-line-based Date: 11 Jul 1997 15:40:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5q5k5v$sug$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33C579F2.3960@w422zrz.physik.tu-berlin.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7315 In article <33C579F2.3960@w422zrz.physik.tu-berlin.de>, Michael Veit wrote: : I want to write a MS Windows 3.0 compatible program, which is able to : establish a connection to a server via Kermit. There are two ways: : : 1. searching for a library and embedding of the whole Kermit procedures : into my program (too much to do..) : We don't recommend it. : 2. starting an external kermit program (freeware ?)... : No, it's not freeware; see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/licensing.html : ... without user interaction. My program knows what to do, so the user : shoud not see anything of the Kermit program. So it needs to be a program, : which may work with a script or which may be controled by command line : parameters. : Exactly. MS-DOS Kermit is the Kermit software for DOS and Windows 3.x: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html Have your application start MS-DOS Kermit with a command line like: c:\kermit\kermit take filename where "filename" is the name of a command file that you (or your application) have written. This command file can do anything you want it to do -- make the connection, log in automatically, transfer files, log out, etc. The status of the script is returned as the exit code of KERMIT.EXE. It's all described in the "Using MS-DOS Kermit" manual. If you are going to be redistributing this software, be sure to license it properly as described at the URL above. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 11 15:15:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12119 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:15:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA03276 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 15:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!MIX.COM!sluggy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC ---> PDP-11 micro/RSX problems Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:11:00 -0700 Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5q60g4$h42@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <33C62D2E.67B4@bristol.ac.uk> X-Posted-By: billy@206.165.5.102 (billy) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7316 k.r.hallam@bristol.ac.uk writes: > Does anyone have any knowledge about using KERMIT-11 (k11pos T3.50, 2nd. > April 1986 (long packet support - whatever that means!), under > micro/RSX This is a somewhat older version of Kermit-11 - it may be the newer one (T3.60) will do better here. This is available by anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit/b directory. If getting it on to the PDP-11 is a problem you may need to transfer and then decode a hex encoded version of the K11 image. Instructions for doing this are in a file in the same directory named krthex.mac - this concerns RT-11 so you'll need to determine how to get PIP (a utility program) to accept input from the terminal (a rather minor detail). The hex encoded images have the file extension .hex - also k11pos is I believe for the Pro-300 series of PC-type systems DEC built in the mid-1980s so it may be some other assembly of Kermit-11 would do better on a real PDP-11. I've been maintaining and updating the RT-11 version of this for some years now and recall various comments in the code regarding problems with things in RSX changing as new versions of that were released. You'll likely be able to find some people familiar with RSX in the alt.sys.pdp11 and vmsnet.pdp-11 newsgroups. In particular Johnny Billquist at Upsala University in Sweeden may be familiar with what will run properly in this case, or know what is necessary to fix it. Long packet support means this Kermit is capable of using packets greater than 94 bytes long. I beleive the upper limit in the version you have is 600 bytes. This isn't much by today's standards but every little bit helps. To enable use of long packets on Kermit-11 you'll need to SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 600. Billy Y.. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 11 17:08:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA04104 for ; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08888 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!nntp.kreonet.re.kr!zdc!super.zippo.com!plnews!mdrn From: kermit-support@columbia.edu (Kermit Software Support) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for micro/rsx v3.1 base level 24C Date: 11 Jul 1997 12:05:15 -0700 Organization: None Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: Your message of Fri, 11 Jul 1997 17:37:58 +0100 Reply-To: kermit-support@columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7317 > I've just mailed a query onto the newsgroup, but one answer I've had > from mailing to another e-mail discussion group included some nice, > simple to follow instructions. However, I need to update my DEC version. > I need to try and get hold of T3.60 for micro/rsx to be sure I have all > the same conditions as my colleague to have most confidence in his > instructions working (I currently have T3.50). > Yes, T3.60 is the latest one, but it is by no means recent, and the author is long gone. Pesonally, I haven't laid eyes on RSX in over 20 years. Although the RT-11 and RSTS versions of Kermit-11 are still getting some development and support, the RSX version has not been updated since 1989. > He directed me to > ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/b/, where I became overwhelmed by the > choice of files to download. I was looking for k11pos.tsk... > That might be for P/OS but not RSX. Or maybe not. > ... as mentioned > in k11fil.doc, but there didn't seem to be any file of that name there. > The kermit/b area contains on text files (source code and documentation). All the prebuilt binaries are in the kermit/bin area. > 1) Am I just missing seeing it?? > 2) Do I have to build it out of other files which are there? > 3) If 2, then do you have any simple instructions on which files I need > to download? > Nothing is ever as simple as we'd like it to be. As you can see, we have quite a lot of Kermit-11 binaries in the kermit/bin area. The most sense I have ever been able to make out of them is as follows (from the kermit/bin READ.ME file): k11.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSTS/E 8.0 or later k11nrs.tsk - Ditto, but not linked with RMSRES k11id.tsk - Ditto, but uses I&D space k11idm.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSX11M+ or Micro/RSX k11pos.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSX11M+, Micro/RSX, or P/OS k11rsx.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSX, not linked with RMSRES k11sml.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 RSX11M, small executable, tightly overlaid k11xm.sav - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RT11 XM and TSX+ (Note: of these, only the RSX versions are current -- there are new sets of files for RT and RSTS.) I'd love to see the RSX version updated, and there is definitely some strong (but sporadic) interest in having a fixed-up and updated version, but to date nobody has been able to do the job. I'm copying this to the DEC newsgroup in case it turns up any hitherto unknown RSX aficionados. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 12 09:54:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05899 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28445 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 09:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!btnet!btnet-feed2!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bhars12c.bnr.co.uk!dww From: dww@bnr.co.uk (David Wright) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How do I tell Kermit to ignore NO DIALTONE? Date: 12 Jul 1997 13:42:13 GMT Organization: Nortel Technology, London Road, Harlow, England. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <5q81jl$1qd@bhars12c.bnr.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: bhars452.europe.nortel.com Cc: dww@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7320 I have a BT ISDN 2 line, which I use via an Ascend box, giving 1 ethernet plus 2 analogue telephone ports. I get no dial tone on either line. This is no problem for WinFAX and HyperTerminal as they have a config setting to ignore dial tone. But I can't find how to get Kermit to work with this. It insists on waiting for dialtone before dialling, so fails 'NO DIALTONE'. How do I tell it to just go ahead? I can find nothing about this in the FAQ; perhaps it should be added. Version: Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.10, 14 Jan 97, for Windows 95 4.00(950) [Yes, Frank, I promise I'll download the 1.1.13 upgrade soon!] Regards, David Wright dww@nortel.co.uk http://www.yi.com/home/WrightDavid Designer of http://harlowlibdems.home.ml.org/ ***Boycott Internet Spam*** http://spam.abuse.net/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 12 12:22:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22588 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05764 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!alph02.triumf.ca!shoppa From: shoppa@alph02.triumf.ca (Tim Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: Kermit for micro/rsx v3.1 base level 24C Date: 12 Jul 1997 16:18:15 GMT Organization: TRIUMF, Canada's National Meson Facility Lines: 46 Message-ID: <5q8ao7$mv9$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> References: <17:37:58> <+0100> NNTP-Posting-Host: alph02.triumf.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7321 vmsnet.pdp-11:7851 alt.sys.pdp11:2409 In article , Kermit Software Support wrote: >Nothing is ever as simple as we'd like it to be. As you can see, we have >quite a lot of Kermit-11 binaries in the kermit/bin area. The most sense I >have ever been able to make out of them is as follows (from the kermit/bin >READ.ME file): > > k11.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSTS/E 8.0 or later > k11nrs.tsk - Ditto, but not linked with RMSRES > k11id.tsk - Ditto, but uses I&D space > k11idm.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSX11M+ or Micro/RSX > k11pos.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSX11M+, Micro/RSX, or P/OS > k11rsx.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSX, not linked with RMSRES > k11sml.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 RSX11M, small executable, tightly overlaid > k11xm.sav - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RT11 XM and TSX+ > >(Note: of these, only the RSX versions are current -- there are new sets of >files for RT and RSTS.) > >I'd love to see the RSX version updated, and there is definitely some strong >(but sporadic) interest in having a fixed-up and updated version, but to date >nobody has been able to do the job. I'm copying this to the DEC newsgroup >in case it turns up any hitherto unknown RSX aficionados. I've occasionally thought about going in and making the improvements myself, but the main thing that has held me back is that I have access to only a few RSX11M and 11M+ versions, none of which is particularly recent, so it'd be difficult for me to build any binaries which I could guarantee to work on other systems. At one time wasn't there a IAS binary available, too? Another obstacle for me is that I know that I'd never do as good a job as Billy Yodelman's been doing in maintaining and upgrading KRT for RT-11 and (now) RSTS. Johnny Billquist has made important patches to the RSX version of K11, and the source code patches are available by anonymous ftp from ftp.update.uu.se in /pub/pdp11. I don't know if he has any binaries available for ftp. The most common request I receive for RSX Kermit is for a version that runs on RSX-11M V3.0 or thereabouts. It seems that all of the existing K11 RSX implementations depend on features that came out about the time of RSX-11M V4.0. Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 12 12:58:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28732 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07551 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 12:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do I tell Kermit to ignore NO DIALTONE? Date: 12 Jul 1997 16:58:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5q8d34$e4t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5q81jl$1qd@bhars12c.bnr.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7322 In article <5q81jl$1qd@bhars12c.bnr.co.uk>, David Wright wrote: : I have a BT ISDN 2 line, which I use via an Ascend box, giving 1 ethernet : plus 2 analogue telephone ports. I get no dial tone on either line. : : This is no problem for WinFAX and HyperTerminal as they have a config : setting to ignore dial tone. But I can't find how to get Kermit to work : with this. It insists on waiting for dialtone before dialling, so fails : 'NO DIALTONE'. How do I tell it to just go ahead? : You'll need to look at your modem manual. If it's a Hayes compatible (i.e. uses the AT command set), then it's probably a matter of changing the "X" value in the init string. Most Kermit init strings use X4, in order to get the widest possible selection of result codes. In many modems, X3 is used to select "blind dialing" (i.e. without waiting for dialtone), but this also sacrifices the ability to get a BUSY response, and therefore to redial automatically if the line is busy. Hopefully your modem has finer-grained selections. A good way to change the X value in the init string is, after you set your modem type (normally in k95custom.ini): set modem type xxxx set modem command init \freplace(\v(m_init),X4,X3) This assumes your modem type is "xxxx", and its init string contains X4. : I can find nothing about this in the FAQ; perhaps it should be added. : Good idea. The same question often comes up with regard to PBXs that have "funny dialtones". We'll probably add an explicit selection for this in a future release. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 12 21:18:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA14311 for ; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA02421 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 12 Jul 1997 21:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smc lancards Message-ID: <66fBZgCjuMde@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Jul 97 18:33:41 MDT References: <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7323 In article <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au>, David Butt writes: > I have been trying to get Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS to work over a LAN > using IP. I ask an expert to get envolved who has deterimned that the > SMC lancards are the problem. SMC are being helpful but I was wondering > if anyone else had encountered this problem and solved it another way. > The reason I don't just buy another LAN card is because we have over 100 > PC's using SMC based LAN cards. > > > Thanking-you, > > David Butt > Information Systems > Epworth Hospital ------------- That's not much to go on David. Just what kind of driver is being loaded (hopefully either a Packet Driver or ODI driver), and what are the symptoms? If you can flesh out the situation I may be able to understand it better. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 13 22:07:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04426 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA16350 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:07:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!MIX.COM!sluggy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: Kermit for micro/rsx v3.1 base level 24C Date: 13 Jul 1997 18:48:00 -0700 Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5qc0gg$m4p@nntp02.primenet.com> References: <17:37:58> <+0100> <5q8ao7$mv9$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> X-Posted-By: billy@206.165.5.102 (billy) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7327 vmsnet.pdp-11:7853 alt.sys.pdp11:2418 Tim Shoppa writes: > as Billy Yodelman's been doing in maintaining and upgrading KRT for > RT-11 and (now) RSTS. Actually it's John Santos that's doing the RSTS work... > The most common request I receive for RSX Kermit is for a version that > runs on RSX-11M V3.0 or thereabouts. It seems that all of the existing > K11 RSX implementations depend on features that came out about the time > of RSX-11M V4.0. When was V3.0 released? I believe it was before Jan-1984 (first version of K11) but maybe not? Or it may be some of the more basic functions of K11 might work, such as communicating through the console port as opposed to trying to run the terminal emulator under RSX (there are comments in K11 about changes in RSX requiring changes in K11 for this). I made a special version of KRT like this (KRTMIN) that's been very useful for getting data off various older RT-11 based lab instruments. Billy Y.. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 13 22:37:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA08650 for ; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA17851 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 13 Jul 1997 22:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!kauri.lincoln.ac.nz!not-for-mail From: Stephen Bell Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp11 Subject: Re: Kermit for micro/rsx v3.1 base level 24C Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 14:23:34 +0000 Organization: Lincoln University, Canterbury, New Zealand Lines: 42 Message-ID: <33CA3666.22FB73C7@discus.lincoln.ac.nz> References: <17:37:58> <+0100> <5q8ao7$mv9$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: discus.lincoln.ac.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i586) CC: shoppa@triumf.ca Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7328 vmsnet.pdp-11:7854 alt.sys.pdp11:2419 Hi all, I have come in late on this thread & missed the original posting. I have a dual unibus pdp11/34 running rsx11M+ v3.?, with macro & fortran available, I have been working on setting up data transfer between the PDP & an ISA bus machine using a DR11-C connecting to a parallel IO card on the PC (basically a modified parallel printer port) {simple & very promising but not working yet.} as a result I have some current familiarity with writing RSX11M+ device drivers. I would love to get kermit running on our machine (older rsx), how can I help. Would apprectiate if someone could mail me the details of the site for these files, or sources if available. > > k11rsx.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 for RSX, not linked with RMSRES > > k11sml.tsk - PDP-11 Kermit 3.60 RSX11M, small executable, tightly overlaid Cheers, Steve E-mail: steve@discus.lincoln.ac.nz > Johnny Billquist has made important patches to the RSX version of > K11, and the source code patches are available by anonymous ftp > from ftp.update.uu.se in /pub/pdp11. I don't know if he has any > binaries available for ftp. > > The most common request I receive for RSX Kermit is for a version that > runs on RSX-11M V3.0 or thereabouts. It seems that all of the existing > K11 RSX implementations depend on features that came out about the time > of RSX-11M V4.0. > > Tim. (shoppa@triumf.ca) -- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 15 05:54:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA23862 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 05:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA08691 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 05:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!nsw.news.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!lynx.ozramp.net.au!mel-35.ozramp.net.au From: David Butt Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smc lancards Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:57:56 +1100 Organization: Epworth Hospital Lines: 44 Message-ID: <33CAE734.4228@ozramp.net.au> References: <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au> <66fBZgCjuMde@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.ozramp.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) CC: luke sangalli Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7332 Joe Doupnik wrote: > > In article <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au>, David Butt writes: > > I have been trying to get Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS to work over a LAN > > using IP. I ask an expert to get envolved who has deterimned that the > > SMC lancards are the problem. SMC are being helpful but I was wondering > > if anyone else had encountered this problem and solved it another way. > > The reason I don't just buy another LAN card is because we have over 100 > > PC's using SMC based LAN cards. > > > > > > Thanking-you, > > > > David Butt > > Information Systems > > Epworth Hospital > ------------- > That's not much to go on David. Just what kind of driver is being > loaded (hopefully either a Packet Driver or ODI driver), and what are the > symptoms? If you can flesh out the situation I may be able to understand > it better. > Joe D. Hi Joe, Thanx for your comments, I'll elaborate. In trying to get kermit to talk over a LAN using ODi drivers I have been unsuccessful in getting it to work using a SMC nic. If an NE2000 nic is used then kermit functions correctly. The drivers used are as follows: lsl smc8000 odipkt 1 ipxodi nextx and kermit returns the following error message: resolving address of host host_name try name host_name unable to arp resolve host_ip_address I am looking forward to your response. David Butt Information Systems Epworth Hospital From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 15 09:27:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12507 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04014 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:27:36 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp11 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!chi-news.cic.net!207.22.81.9!europa.clark.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!delos.dra.hmg.gb!server1.netnews.ja.net!warwick!bris.ac.uk!not-for-mail From: phkrh@zeus.bris.ac.uk (K R. Hallam) Subject: Re: Kermit for micro/rsx v3.1 base level 24C X-Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.bris.ac.uk Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,vmsnet.pdp-11,alt.sys.pdp11 Sender: usenet@fsa.bris.ac.uk (Usenet) Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] References: <17:37:58> <+0100> <5q8ao7$mv9$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca> <33CA3666.22FB73C7@discus.lincoln.ac.nz> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:53:41 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7334 vmsnet.pdp-11:7861 alt.sys.pdp11:2426 Dear All, Just a brief note to say that I sorted out my problems. Guido in Rome (from the surface science e-mail list) gave me sufficient instructions and an mscustom.ini file for my pc version to get the GET command on the PDP working (he used SEND from the pc but that didn't work for me - I know not why). Having got everything going, I could then kermit the newer kermit onto the PDP, and it still worked! In case it matters to anyone, I just downloaded k11pos.tsk from ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ (I think it was) (Thankyou for the pointer to the right directory) and it ran o.k on its own once I had got it onto the PDP. Now I've shown I can get my data going to and fro, all I need is a bigger hard disc and a network connection and....... Keith -- Dr. Keith R. Hallam University of Bristol, Interface Analysis Centre, Oldbury House, 121, St. Michael's Hill, Bristol, BS2 8BS, England Telephone: + 44 (0)117 925 5666 | E-mail: k.r.hallam@bristol.ac.uk Facsimile: + 44 (0)117 925 5646 | URL: http://zeus.bris.ac.uk/~phkrh/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 15 20:08:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12693 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14512 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsgate.nytimes.com!news.fred.net!news.iac.net!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!hub.org!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.sgi.com!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!newnews.metronet.com!fiinix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: tyde@medtrodnet.cdom (Tye McQueen) Newsgroups: comp.unix.unixware.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit setup help Date: 15 Jul 1997 13:03:50 -0500 Organization: Texas Metronet, Inc (login info (214/488-2590 - 817/571-0400)) Lines: 79 Message-ID: <5qge26$19b@fiinix.metronet.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.245.137.7 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.unixware.misc:23829 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7335 [E-mailed and posted. comp.protocols.kermit.misc added.] tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma) writes: ) ) I would appreciate if you could save me some time in learning how to ) best configure kermit.... ) ) I would like to do file transfer between 2 UnixWare machines with 2 identical ) 33.6 modems using latest kermit release. What is the best setup ? I could ) achieve at most 950 CPS using the below setup on both sides: ) ) set modem type rocketwell-v34 ) set window-size 2 ) set packet-length 512 ) set file type binary ) ) I tried different window sizes and different packet lenghts but the above ) seem to be best (not too good to me) so far. You probably already have a macro called "fast" that you should look at... Two major suggestions: Use much bigger packets. Disable most or all control prefixing. If you have a fairly recent version of kermit (must be true since you can set window size), you can set the packet length into the thousands. I believe that you need to set both packet lengths separately: set send packet 9024 set rece packet 9024 The default for kermit is to send most or all control characters as two characters. This is called control prefixing. It is very nice for when something between the kermits wants to interpret some control characters, but it does slow things down. The simple way to change this is via either: set prefix minimal or set prefix none You can see the effect of these commands via: show control And you can fine tune them with: set control ... See "help set control" for more information. If you are sure that nothing in the middle wants X-ON/X-OFF handshaking, then I bet you can use "set prefix none" in the configuration you describe. I bet you can use "set prefix minimal" in your situation right now. You can probably even go as far as: set prefix none set control prefix 17 19 When testing this you need to make sure you are sending files with all possible character values. Otherwise you'll think it is working fine and later one certain file will refuse to send. ) And BTW, how to automate the setup, so that I don't have to enter those ) commands everytime I run kermit. (I know, I need to get the C-Kermit book ) one day) Kermit will read $HOME/.kermrc at start-up and run any commands in it. -- Tye McQueen Nothing is obvious unless you are overlooking something http://www.metronet.com/~tye/ (scripts, links, nothing fancy) Remove d's from address to reply (sorry for the inconvenience). From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 16 04:41:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02990 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11904 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 04:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!nsw.news.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!lynx.ozramp.net.au!mel-109.ozramp.net.au From: David Butt Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SMC Lancards Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 12:00:11 +1100 Organization: Epworth Hospital Lines: 29 Message-ID: <33CC1D1B.684A@ozramp.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: news.ozramp.net.au Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7336 Hi Joe, Sorry for not being more concise, what is trying to be achieved is to get Kermit to talk over IP using Netware ODI drivers. My PC supplier who did the debugging had kermit working using NE2000 lancards but has been unable to get SMC lancards to function. Kermit returns the following: Resolving address of host host_name Try name host_name a.b.c.d Unable to arp resolve a.b.c.d The drivers being used are (in order): lsl smc8000 odipkt 1 ipxodi netx It appears to be an smc related problem because using an NE200 lan cards works??? SMC have been contacted and they suggested using older SMC lancards to determine if the later drivers were to blame. None of the previous models worked ... Looking forward to your reply, David Butt Information Systems Epworth Hospital From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 16 08:31:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA15170 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA12793 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 08:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!highway.leidenuniv.nl!usenet From: Mark Barto Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File transfer problem since K95 1.1.12 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 09:17:55 +0200 Organization: Leiden University, The Netherlands Lines: 149 Message-ID: <33CC75A2.EB7328B1@cdiv.azl.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 800azl41.azl.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------B8C9C3C518BC14252E7E6E51" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7337 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B8C9C3C518BC14252E7E6E51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since I have upgraded K95 to version 1.1.12 and 1.1.13, I have problems with downloading files form the host computer. (A Dec Vax 4100) >>Without changing any scripts, the receive commands gets an value that is an invalid filename and cannont be saved. >>The Packet type changed in the newer versions form D to E >>The Packet length changed form 95 to 96 I have placed copy's of the transfer screens on both host and K95 during transfer in both versions. (same pc, host, user, just 5 minutes later after the patch) and a part of the script file than handles filetransfer Can you tell me what's going wrong? Thanks in advance __________________________________________ Mark Barto Centrale Dienst Informatie Verwerking Academisch Ziekenhuis Leiden MBarto@CDIV.AZL.NL __________________________________________ --------------B8C9C3C518BC14252E7E6E51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name="K95 transfer.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="K95 transfer.txt" ### Kermit console screen during transfer Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.11, 8 Feb 97 Current Directory: C:\TEMP Network Host: PR1.ZISP.AZL.NL:telnet Network Type: TCP/IP Parity: none RTT/Timeout: 01 / 01 RECEIVING: JOS.R => JOS.R File Type: BINARY File Size: Bytes so far: 79233 Kermit Protocol: ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: (unknown) Transfer Rate, CPS: 3434 Window Slots: 1 of 1 Packet Type: D Packet Count: 638 Packet Length: 95 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Last Message: X to cancel file, Z to cancel group, to resend last packet, E to send Error packet, ^C to quit immediately, ^L to refresh screen. ### Host screen during file transfer (set commands are started automatic) PR1-363->pclink PCLINK V04R11 PCLINK-ZIS> SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 94 PCLINK-ZIS> SET SEND PACKET-LENGTH 94 PCLINK-ZIS> SET RECEIVE TIMEOUT 3 PCLINK-ZIS> SET SEND TIMEOUT 3 PCLINK-ZIS> SET DELAY 0 PCLINK-ZIS> SET FILE-WARNING OFF PCLINK-ZIS> PCLINK-ZIS> --------> #### Kermit console screen after upgrade Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.13, 24 June 1997 Current Directory: C:\TEMP Network Host: pr1.zisp.azl.nl:telnet Network Type: TCP/IP Parity: none RTT/Timeout: 08 / 03 RECEIVING: JOS.R => rec_C_/TEMP/jos.r File Type: BINARY File Size: Bytes so far: 0 Kermit Protocol: ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Elapsed Time: 00:00:00 Transfer Rate, CPS: 0 Window Slots: 1 of 1 Packet Type: E Packet Count: 2 Packet Length: 96 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Incomplete Last Message: Files: 1, Bytes: 0, 0 CPS ----------K95 113 Host side ### Host screen after upgrade PR1-363->pclink PCLINK V04R11 PCLINK-ZIS> SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 94 PCLINK-ZIS> SET SEND PACKET-LENGTH 94 PCLINK-ZIS> SET RECEIVE TIMEOUT 3 PCLINK-ZIS> SET SEND TIMEOUT 3 PCLINK-ZIS> SET DELAY 0 PCLINK-ZIS> SET FILE-WARNING OFF PCLINK-ZIS> PCLINK-ZIS> ------------Host side #### Scriptfile for file transfer ; >zis2pc : Filetransfer : ZIS -> Pc define zis2pc cls,- assign \%r \%3,- assign \%p \%2,- assign \%z \%1,- if equal "\%z" "" do zis2pc_vragen,- if equal "\%z" "" fout_conn {ZIS->PC : U heeft geen te verzenden file opgegeven.},- if not equal "\%z" "" do zis2pc_fase1 define zis2pc_fase1 if equal "\%p" "" assign \%p \%z,- assign \%q \%p,- if not equal "\$(zislink_prive)" "" assign \%p \$(zislink_prive)/\%q,- if not equal "\%r" "" assign \%z \%z/\%r,- output \13,- output pclink\13,- input 2 bevoegd,- if success fout_conn {ZIS->PC : U bent niet bevoegd om files over te halen.},- if failure do zis2pc_ok define zis2pc_ok output send \%z\13,- rec \%p,- output \13,- output q\13,- input 10 E I N D E,- assign \%p,- assign \%r,- assign \%z,- if not equal "\%y" "macro" connect define zis2pc_vragen cls,- echo ZIS->Pc : Overhalen file van het ZIS naar de PC ,- echo ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ ,- ask \%z Naam van de file op het ZIS :,- if not equal "\%z" "" ask \%p Evt. andere PC-file naam (geen path) :,- if not equal "\%z" "" ask \%r Evt. de recordlengte [bytes] : ; Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08173 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21283 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:51:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer problem since K95 1.1.12 Date: 16 Jul 1997 14:51:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <5qin68$kp1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33CC75A2.EB7328B1@cdiv.azl.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7339 In article <33CC75A2.EB7328B1@cdiv.azl.nl>, Mark Barto wrote: : This is a multi-part message in MIME format. : ... : Since I have upgraded K95 to version 1.1.12 and 1.1.13, I have problems : with downloading files form the host computer. (A Dec Vax 4100) : >>Without changing any scripts, the receive commands gets an value that : is an invalid filename and cannont be saved. : >>The Packet type changed in the newer versions form D to E : >>The Packet length changed form 95 to 96 : : I have placed copy's of the transfer screens on both host and K95 during : transfer in both versions. (same pc, host, user, just 5 minutes later : after the patch) and a part of the script file than handles filetransfer : : Can you tell me what's going wrong? : ... : Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.11, 8 Feb 97 : RECEIVING: JOS.R => JOS.R : ... : #### Kermit console screen after upgrade : Kermit-95 for 32-bit Windows 1.1.13, 24 June 1997 : RECEIVING: JOS.R => rec_C_/TEMP/jos.r : #### Scriptfile for file transfer : .... : define zis2pc_ok output send \%z\13,- : rec \%p,- : ^^^^^^^ Here you are telling K95 to receive the incoming file and to store under the name which is the value of \%p. Evidently \%p is defined as "rec_C_/TEMP/jos.r". Do you have a directory called "rec_C_"? If not, this would explain the failure. I think the change occurs because of a bug that was fixed in 1.1.13, regarding pathnames for incoming files. Where does "rec_C_" come from? Your script, or from the file header of the incoming file? In any case, to restore the earlier behavior, try telling K95 to "set receive pathnames off". If this doesn't help, please let us know at: kermit-support@columbia.edu and we'll pursue it further. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 16 21:09:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA12045 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA28576 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael Quinn" Subject: DOS Kermit 3.14: Transmit command. Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Caitisys Message-ID: <01bc924a$fcc9f3a0$7774d8cc@fatman> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 NNTP-Posting-Host: user-119.hom.net Date: 17 Jul 97 00:48:53 GMT Lines: 7 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!130.207.244.18!gatech!news1.mid-ga.com!news.hom.net!user-119.hom.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7340 Is there any way to configure DOS Kermit 3.14 to TRANSMIT a file without the host handshaking. I've tried setting Handshake and Flow Control to None, but Kermit will only send the first line. -- Michael T. Quinn sent replies to : mtquinn@hom.net From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 03:28:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09695 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 03:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA16624 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 03:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!ais.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!128.6.21.17!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!andromeda.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: sperkins@andromeda.rutgers.edu (Steven C. Perkins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using TELNET with a dialup connection with CKermit 6.0.192 on NextStep Date: 16 Jul 1997 21:21:07 -0400 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5qjs23$nnf@andromeda.rutgers.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: andromeda.rutgers.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7342 I am trying to use CKERMIT to make a TCP/IP connection to my dialup server. I suspect I am doing something wrong or that the NeXTStep version does not support TELNET connections. I make a modem connection to my server. I give a PPP default command and get the IP address and connection. I then escape to the Kermit prompt and set network tcp/ip, set host to the server and seem to get a reset of my modem and the program hangs. If the answer is in the docs/FAQ, just point me there. Thanks SC Perkins sperkins@andromeda.rutgers.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 13:53:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12701 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19469 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-west.sprintlink.net!news-fw-12.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!news.webIT.eds.com!news.ses.cio.eds.com!not-for-mail From: Roy Buzdor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit Authorization/License? Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 13:17:36 -0700 Organization: EDS Lansing Fab Lines: 35 Message-ID: <33CD2C60.1044@black.hol> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.173.130.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7344 We are looking at getting 2 copies of C-Kermit for some Sun workstations. Corporate wants to know what we need to do to be "legal" with C-Kermit. Is C-Kermit still public domain, as Kermit is? Do we need to purchase a license? How much is said license? From where can we procure manuals? Thanks Roy Buzdor EDS -- **************************************************************** ** ** ** Note: I used to have a brilliant tag line, but I was ** ** informed that it was misleading, so I got rid of ** ** it. ** ** ** ** Note: I really, REALLY do not want unsolicited, ** ** commercial E-Mail, so pretty please, do not send ** ** any to me. 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If you send it to me anyway, ** ** then you are not a nice person! ** ** ** ** Note: If this gets any longer, I'll change it to a FAQ, ** ** and just post it once a month. ** ** ** **************************************************************** From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 14:00:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14102 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA19950 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Authorization/License? Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:00:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5qlmjr$453$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33CD2C60.1044@black.hol> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7345 In article <33CD2C60.1044@black.hol>, Roy Buzdor wrote: : We are looking at getting 2 copies of C-Kermit for : some Sun workstations. Corporate wants to know what : we need to do to be "legal" with C-Kermit. Is C-Kermit : still public domain, as Kermit is? : Kermit software has never been in the public domain. : Do we need to purchase a license? How much is said license? : From where can we procure manuals? : All the info is at our web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 14:03:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14694 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS Kermit 3.14: Transmit command. Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:03:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5qlmou$4ar$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bc924a$fcc9f3a0$7774d8cc@fatman> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7346 In article <01bc924a$fcc9f3a0$7774d8cc@fatman>, Michael Quinn wrote: : Is there any way to configure DOS Kermit 3.14 to TRANSMIT a file without : the host handshaking. I've tried setting Handshake and Flow Control to : None, but Kermit will only send the first line. : Like it says in the manual: set transmit prompt \0 - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 14:07:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15258 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20277 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using TELNET with a dialup connection with CKermit 6.0.192 on NextStep Date: 17 Jul 1997 18:06:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-ID: <5qlmvt$4h8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5qjs23$nnf@andromeda.rutgers.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7347 In article <5qjs23$nnf@andromeda.rutgers.edu>, Steven C. Perkins wrote: : I am trying to use CKERMIT to make a TCP/IP connection to my dialup server. : I suspect I am doing something wrong or that the NeXTStep version does not : support TELNET connections. : : I make a modem connection to my server. I give a PPP default command and : get the IP address and connection. I then escape to the Kermit prompt and : set network tcp/ip, set host to the server and seem to get a reset of my : modem and the program hangs. : You have made the serial connection, started PPP on the remote terminal server, but you have not started PPP on NeXTSTEP, and so there is no PPP connection. Somehow you have to get NeXTSTEP PPP to use the connection you have just made with Kermit. Quite honestly, I have no idea how to do this, or even if it can be done. C-Kermit can use a PPP connection that is already there via "set network tcp/ip, set host blah", etc, but UNIX does not provide a good way for Kermit to make the serial connection itself and then hand it over to PPP. >From our FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 27 HOW CAN I EXIT FROM C-KERMIT WITHOUT HANGING UP? : Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made. They quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone before they can start the other application. It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. Closing a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up (by turning off the DTR signal). There is nothing the process can do about it. However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: - Tell C-Kermit to SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232, and then configure your modem to ignore DTR (not recommended). - Read about the REDIRECT command in the second edition of Using C-Kermit. - Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). - After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, delete the lock file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty device. Note that you can also tell C-Kermit to use a communications file descriptor created by another process; see the command-line options list in "Using C-Kermit", 2nd edition. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 15:06:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26705 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23304 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:06:51 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smc lancards Date: 12 Jul 1997 23:12:34 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5q81ka$q4@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.telstra.net!nsw.news.telstra.net!news.syd.connect.com.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7348 David Butt (davidb@ozramp.net.au) wrote: : I have been trying to get Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS to work over a LAN : using IP. I ask an expert to get envolved who has deterimned that the : SMC lancards are the problem. SMC are being helpful but I was wondering : if anyone else had encountered this problem and solved it another way. : The reason I don't just buy another LAN card is because we have over 100 : PC's using SMC based LAN cards. What SMC cards? SMC have very good ODI driver support. Besides loading the link support layer LSL, and the ODI MLID for your card e.g. SMC8000 or SMCPWR, you'd just need to have your NET.CFG and MSCUSTOM.INI configured correctly, as detailed in MS-Kermit's NETWORKS.DOC. You might like to try MS-Kermit 3.15 open beta from kermit.columbia.edu directory kermit/test/bin file msk315.zip. If you post specifics, I might be able to give you a more detailed answer. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 17:22:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27310 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.ldn1.uk.internetfci.net!btnet-feed2!bt!gssec!news From: Scott Brennan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting Kermit to connect Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:04:44 +0100 Organization: BT N&S Glasgow Engineering Centre Lines: 15 Message-ID: <33CE348C.FBE@gssec.bt.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hyena.gssec.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7349 Hi I'm using Kermit in UNIX, version: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x How do I get kermit to reposond to a dial from another modem? At the moment, when I do the 'connect' command all that happens is that 'RING' is printed on screen every time the other modem dials up. i.e. Kermit doesn't respond by making the connection! How do I make Kermit accept the Dial-in? Cheers Scott From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 17 17:49:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03661 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01752 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:49:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit to connect Date: 17 Jul 1997 21:49:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5qm411$cph$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33CE348C.FBE@gssec.bt.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7350 In article <33CE348C.FBE@gssec.bt.co.uk>, Scott Brennan wrote: : I'm using Kermit in UNIX, version: C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for : Solaris 2.x : : How do I get kermit to reposond to a dial from another modem? : At the moment, when I do the 'connect' command all that happens : is that 'RING' is printed on screen every time the other modem : dials up. i.e. Kermit doesn't respond by making the connection! : : How do I make Kermit accept the Dial-in? : The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html It includes an ANSWER command that does this for you. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 18 12:50:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02706 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA13512 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 12:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Paging software wanted Date: 18 Jul 1997 16:50:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-ID: <5qo6s9$7tt$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33BC2FB3.65C2@pacbell.net> <33C50E9D.17EE@mci.com> <01bc8fc9$63e546e0$ec0beec3@vafr> <01bc907e$783f1390$28edd8c0@rmpce9> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.vms:156977 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7351 In article <01bc907e$783f1390$28edd8c0@rmpce9>, Michael Gacsaly wrote: : > In article <33BC2FB3.65C2@pacbell.net>, : > Bill Robertson wrote: : > : Where can we get software to run on VMS 6.2 (Alpha) that will dial : > : out and activate a pager? : : ... I wrote my own using CKERMIT which worked using a terminal server. : Note that different pager companies (and even the same company over time) : use different protocols. Ask your pager comany for the computer-to- : computer protocol specification (it is likely different and more reliable : than the human dial-up interface since it will generally use some kind of : checksum on messages). Then use CKERMIT to format and send the message. : : I have a VMS BEEPER CLD, FORTRAN program, DCL procedure and CKERMIT : procedure to do this. It likely would just be a start, since interfaces : vary. email me if you want a copy. If many want it I will post it (but : I suggest using the email systems). : there are a bunch of C-Kermit pager scripts floating around, written for C-Kermit 5A. One was even published in a magazine a few years ago (DEC Professional, I think). There are three interfaces to Alpha paging services: 1. Voice only: You call up the service, speak to an operator, and dictate the page. 2. Online, interactive. You dial up with a terminal and respond to a series of prompts, giving the PIN and message. 3. Online, protocol. You dial up with a computer and use a well-defined error-detecting and -correcting protocol to send the page. The predominant example of Type 3 is Telocator Alphanumeric Protocol (TAP). The dialogs in Type 2 are usually just a "user friendly" front-end to TAP. They all start off with an "ID=" prompt. If you reply in a certain way, that gets you right into TAP. This is very similar to how you can dial up a terminal server and then go interactive, or else start up a SLIP or PPP session. Most of the scripts that have been floating around since 1992 or thereabouts are (a) based on C-Kermit 5A, and (b) talk Type 2 services, and are therefore not very portable. A TAP script should work with any service at all that supports TAP. C-Kermit 6.0 includes new functions especially designed for communicating with pagers, and the Alpha pager script that comes with C-Kermit 6.0 implements TAP in a robust manner in less than a page of code. This script is designed to be used either from the command line, or embedded within another script, so (for example) you can have your background system / network monitoring tasks page the appropriate people automatically in case of meltdowns, etc. Take a look at it: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html and in particular: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html#pagers - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 18 19:36:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA19598 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 19:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA05254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 19:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!ddsw1!news.mcs.net!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: bruck@MCS.COM (Anthony Bruck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Good morning/afternoon" Date: 18 Jul 1997 18:10:37 -0500 Organization: (i.e., posting via) MCSNet Services Lines: 9 Message-ID: <5qot5d$a36$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: jupiter.mcs.net replyto: bruck@mcs.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961022] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7352 Is there a trivial fix for this trivial problem? When system (and hardware) time is in GMT, the "Good morning" and "Good afternoon" messages from Kermit are out of synch with what one sees out the window. (I'd settle for a neutral "Welcome" from my C-Kermit 6.0.) -- who am i bruck ttyp1 Jul 18 17:51 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 19 01:09:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA29953 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 01:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21419 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 01:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!204.255.24.253!news.WARWICK.NET!usenet From: 71231.104@compuserve.com (Richard Slobod) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit to connect Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:13:54 GMT Organization: Warwick Online Lines: 17 Message-ID: <33cff687.7537138@news.warwick.net> References: <33CE348C.FBE@gssec.bt.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: m257-15.warwick.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/16.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7353 Scott Brennan wrote: >How do I get kermit to reposond to a dial from another modem? >At the moment, when I do the 'connect' command all that happens >is that 'RING' is printed on screen every time the other modem >dials up. i.e. Kermit doesn't respond by making the connection! > >How do I make Kermit accept the Dial-in? This should tell the modem to turn on autoanswering: output ATS0=1\13 (change the first 1 to a different number if you don't want it to answer on the first ring). If you don't want to leave the modem in autoanswer mode, make sure to send it an ATS0=0 command after you're done. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 19 10:05:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04899 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16074 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 10:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Good morning/afternoon" Date: 19 Jul 1997 14:05:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <5qqhk0$g6t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5qot5d$a36$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7354 In article <5qot5d$a36$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>, Anthony Bruck wrote: : Is there a trivial fix for this trivial problem? When system : (and hardware) time is in GMT... : And GMT is not your local timezone? : the "Good morning" and "Good : afternoon" messages from Kermit are out of synch with what one : sees out the window. : If GMT is not your local timezone, then I think that Kermit's greeting will be the least of your problems. : (I'd settle for a neutral "Welcome" from my C-Kermit 6.0.) : *** /w/pub/ftp/kermit/f/ckermit.ini Fri May 23 14:09:06 1997 --- ./ckermit.ini Sat Jul 19 10:04:12 1997 *************** *** 705,712 **** ; Finish up with traditional greeting. ! if < \v(ntime) 43200 echo Good Morning! ! else if < \v(ntime) 61200 echo Good Afternoon! ! else echo Good Evening. End ; of C-Kermit 6.0 initialization file. --- 705,710 ---- ; Finish up with traditional greeting. ! echo Welcome! End ; of C-Kermit 6.0 initialization file. (Note: the ckermit.ini file is called .kermrc in UNIX.) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 19 14:47:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA20166 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 14:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA00146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 14:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!gatech!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!mlevin From: mlevin@login1.fas.harvard.edu (Michael Levin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: any way to run graphical WWW browser (xmosaic) over kermit dialup? Date: 19 Jul 1997 13:32:08 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5qqfko$hhm$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: login1.fas.harvard.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7357 I dial in to a Unix machine at work using Kermit, and then log in to a Unix shell. My home kermit is also running on a Unix box. Is there any way to run a graphical WWW browser (I have xmosaic) on my machine at home over the kermit dialup line? Please email to mlevin@fas.harvard.edu. Thanks, Mike Levin From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 19 15:01:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22097 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 15:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 19 Jul 1997 15:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: any way to run graphical WWW browser (xmosaic) over kermit dialup? Date: 19 Jul 1997 19:01:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5qr2u5$oa6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5qqfko$hhm$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7358 In article <5qqfko$hhm$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Michael Levin wrote: : I dial in to a Unix machine at work using Kermit, and then log in to a : Unix shell. My home kermit is also running on a Unix box. Is there any way : to run a graphical WWW browser (I have xmosaic) on my machine at home over : the kermit dialup line? Please email to mlevin@fas.harvard.edu. Thanks, : This is another way of asking what is rapidly becoming our Most Frequently Asked Question: Can Kermit be my SLIP or PPP Dialer? The answer is pretty much No, for the reasons explained in our FAQ (item 27): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt The Web browser on your local computer wants a TCP/IP connection, not a direct serial one. You can have a TCP/IP connection, but then you probably have to dial it using whatever primitive facility is provided with your OS for making SLIP or PPP connections. Yes, Kermit could dial it, and Kermit could start SLIP or PPP on the *far* end, but it has no way of handing the connection over to the SLIP or PPP driver on your local computer. On the other hand, once you do have a SLIP or PPP connection, then Kermit can use it via "set host" or "telnet" rather than "set line" and "dial". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 21 09:09:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11073 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15775 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SMC Lancards Date: 17 Jul 1997 00:40:04 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5qio8c$smg@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <33CC1D1B.684A@ozramp.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ais.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7361 David Butt (davidb@ozramp.net.au) wrote: : Hi Joe, : Sorry for not being more concise, what is trying to be achieved is to : get Kermit to talk over IP using Netware ODI drivers. My PC supplier who : did the debugging had kermit working using NE2000 lancards but has been : unable to get SMC lancards to function. Kermit returns the following: : Resolving address of host host_name : Try name host_name a.b.c.d : Unable to arp resolve a.b.c.d : The drivers being used are (in order): : lsl : smc8000 : odipkt 1 : ipxodi : netx : It appears to be an smc related problem because using an NE200 lan cards : works??? : SMC have been contacted and they suggested using older SMC lancards to : determine if the later drivers were to blame. None of the previous : models worked ... You don't actually need to run odipkt to use MS-Kermit with an ODI driver. Your NET.CFG is critical though. Could you post it and your MSCUSTOM.INI? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 21 10:36:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27912 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20388 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:36:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Good morning/afternoon" Date: 21 Jul 1997 14:36:17 GMT Organization: World Domination for Fun and Profit, Inc. Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <5qot5d$a36$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> <5qqhk0$g6t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7362 Frank da Cruz wrote: > : Is there a trivial fix for this trivial problem? When system > : (and hardware) time is in GMT... > : > And GMT is not your local timezone? > > : the "Good morning" and "Good > : afternoon" messages from Kermit are out of synch with what one > : sees out the window. > : > If GMT is not your local timezone, then I think that Kermit's greeting will > be the least of your problems. Can't speak for the original poster, but my home box's clock is set to GMT (and compensated for via software) so Linux can handle daylight savings time correctly. This means, of course, that when I run Win95 the clock is four hours fast. ObKermit: How feasible would it be for a command-line switch for the telnet.exe stub in K95 that sets the screen dimensions? -- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 21 10:45:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29595 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA20923 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 21 Jul 1997 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Good morning/afternoon" Date: 21 Jul 1997 14:45:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5qvsm2$smh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5qot5d$a36$1@Jupiter.Mcs.Net> <5qqhk0$g6t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7363 In article , Yeechang Lee wrote: : : ObKermit: How feasible would it be for a command-line switch for the : telnet.exe stub in K95 that sets the screen dimensions? : A lot of people ask for custom TELNET.EXE command-line switches, but the whole purpose of the TELNET.EXE stub is to stand in for Microsoft Telnet; i.e. to have exactly the same command-line syntax, but to start K95 instead of Telnet. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 22 12:57:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA06339 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07808 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 12:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: dz@mir.glas.apc.org (Dmitry the Zuryanovich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: arithmetics in scripts Date: 22 Jul 1997 14:43:45 +0400 Organization: GlasNet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5r22t1$6p4@glas.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mir.glas.apc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.kornet.nm.kr!news-stock.gsl.net!news-dc.gsl.net!gsl-penn-ns.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.rosprint.net!news.glas.apc.org!dz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7367 Hm, I do not understand rules of arithmetic operations in CKermit: looks like they do not operate with anything larger then bytes. I want to count crc16 and then convert it to hex ( as 16 bit integer ), but it converts numbers like 123 to 313233 ( where 31h is ascii of '1' and so on). Please , drop me a line about how to do it via mail to dz@mir.glasnet.ru. Ciao! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 22 14:14:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21568 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11790 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arithmetics in scripts Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:13:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5r2t96$keq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5r22t1$6p4@glas.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7368 In article <5r22t1$6p4@glas.apc.org>, Dmitry the Zuryanovich wrote: : I do not understand rules of arithmetic operations in CKermit: looks : like they do not operate with anything larger then bytes. : It depends on the underlying platform (and more to the point, sizeof int). : I want to count crc16 and then convert it to hex ( as 16 bit integer ), : but it converts numbers like 123 to 313233 ( where 31h is ascii of '1' and : so on). : How are you trying to do this? In C-Kermit 6.0 the operation you want to do trivial. Suppose \%s is the string. Then to get the hexadecimal CRC-16: \fhex(\fcrc16(\%s)) If you don't have C-Kermit 6.0, find it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html To learn its script programming language, please read the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 22 15:55:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13434 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16883 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!feeder.chicago.cic.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!merlin!cornellr From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tandem Build Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:19:53 GMT Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1997Jul22.191935@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: buzzard.ecid.cig.mot.com Keywords: Tandem Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7369 Hello again. I need a makefile for a Tandem, specifically: uname -a NonStop-UX taurus 4.0 B31IPM21 S300 MIPS/R3000 would anyone have such a beastie? or could I use pyrdcosx! Thanks Robert Cornell ------------------------------------------------- © Robert Cornell - cornellr@ecid.cig.mot.com Mountfield +44 1424 432627 Fax +44 1424 441144 Motorola ECID +44 1793 566344 Fax +44 1793 420915 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 22 16:11:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17293 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17645 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 16:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tandem Build Date: 22 Jul 1997 20:11:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5r345d$o49$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1997Jul22.191935@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Tandem Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7370 In article <1997Jul22.191935@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>, Robert Cornell wrote: : I need a makefile for a Tandem, : : specifically: uname -a : NonStop-UX taurus 4.0 B31IPM21 S300 MIPS/R3000 : : would anyone have such a beastie? : or could I use pyrdcosx! : This is a new one on me. If this is a port of some other variety of UNIX to Tandem hardware, then the make entry for the original platform might work. If you have some reason to think that "make pyrdcosx" (Pyramid MIServer S or ES Series, DataCenter/OSx) would work, by all means give it a try and report back (success or failure) to kermit-support@columbia.edu. If you have trouble, I'll be glad to help. Btw, in case you are not working with the current C-Kermit version, which is 6.0, you can find it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 22 21:51:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA09051 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 22 Jul 1997 21:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!merlin!cornellr From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: \fFiles() Date: 22 Jul 1997 18:10:00 GMT Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1997Jul22.190800@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: buzzard.ecid.cig.mot.com Keywords: \fFiles() Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7371 I have been pulling my hair out trying to evaluate whether a file is a file or a directory. I think I've now got it down... [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>mkdir dummy [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(dummy/*) 0 [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(dummy/.*) 2 Can I safely assume this is a feature and that the fact that * dosen't match . and .. is because: [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(*) 27 [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(.*) 40 i.e. you don't want to see hidden(?) files. Further, how can I tell if its a directory/character special/link if I haven't got read permissions on it (without using shell). Robert Cornell ------------------------------------------------- © Robert Cornell - cornellr@ecid.cig.mot.com Mountfield +44 1424 432627 Fax +44 1424 441144 Motorola ECID +44 1793 566344 Fax +44 1793 420915 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 09:50:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA02114 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA26375 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I wonder why Date: 23 Jul 1997 13:49:09 GMT Organization: VoiceNet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5r524l$2l$1@news2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7372 In sun 4 ckermit If I run a sh script from a command shell with the command #1. or #2. everything is fine however if I use these commands in a script that is running from another process they fail. However #3. works fine. Not important, just wondering. The interactive mode is not used in the #1 & #2 commands even though the #1 leaves you in interactive mode??? The script isn't stopped, returns to parent process where transfer can't be implemented. Thanks cmosley From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 12:41:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29798 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04912 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 12:41:02 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smc lancards Date: 23 Jul 1997 17:58:04 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 214 Message-ID: <5r4fak$nnk@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <33CAE734.4228@ozramp.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7373 David Butt (davidb@ozramp.net.au) wrote: : Joe Doupnik wrote: : > : > In article <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au>, David Butt writes: : > > I have been trying to get Kermit ver 3.14 for DOS to work over a LAN : > > using IP. I ask an expert to get envolved who has deterimned that the : > > SMC lancards are the problem. SMC are being helpful but I was wondering : > > if anyone else had encountered this problem and solved it another way. : > > The reason I don't just buy another LAN card is because we have over 100 : > > PC's using SMC based LAN cards. : > > : > > : > > Thanking-you, : > > : > > David Butt : > > Information Systems : > > Epworth Hospital : > ------------- : > That's not much to go on David. Just what kind of driver is being : > loaded (hopefully either a Packet Driver or ODI driver), and what are the : > symptoms? If you can flesh out the situation I may be able to understand : > it better. : > Joe D. : Hi Joe, : Thanx for your comments, I'll elaborate. In trying to get kermit to talk : over a LAN using ODi drivers I have been unsuccessful in getting it to : work using a SMC nic. If an NE2000 nic is used then kermit functions : correctly. The drivers used are as follows: : lsl : smc8000 : odipkt 1 : ipxodi : nextx : and kermit returns the following error message: : resolving address of host host_name : try name host_name : unable to arp resolve host_ip_address : I am looking forward to your response. : David Butt : Information Systems : Epworth Hospital I am open to suggestions, but this worked for our setup with 802.2 frame type for IPX, Ethernet_II for IP, MS-Kermit telnet client at 202.14.187.110, name server at 202.14.187.122, router at 202.14.187.100, netmask 255.255.255.224, and SMC LAN card connecting to a Netware 3.12 server. MS-DOS 6.22 config.sys: DEVICE=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE COUNTRY=061,,C:\DOS\COUNTRY.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=EC00-EFFF VERBOSE SHELL=C:\DOS\COMMAND.COM C:\DOS\ /e:256 /p DEVICE=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS DOS=HIGH,UMB LASTDRIVE=Z SWITCHES=/F FILES=100 FCBS=16,0 BUFFERS=40,0 Startnet.bat: SET NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH C:\NWCLIENT\LSL.COM C:\NWCLIENT\SMC8000.COM C:\NWCLIENT\IPXODI.COM C:\NWCLIENT\VLM.EXE NET.CFG: Link Driver SMC8000 Frame Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II Protocol IPX E0 ETHERNET_802.2 Frame ETHERNET_802.2 INT 5 PORT 300 MEM ec000 NetWare DOS Requester FIRST NETWORK DRIVE = F NETWARE PROTOCOL = BIND Link Support Buffers 6 1600 MemPool 4096 protocol KERMIT bind SMC8000 I then run the MSK315.EXE from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip with the following mscustom.ini: GOTO GO ; FILE MSCUSTOM.INI ; ; SAMPLE individual customization file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. ; Make any desired changes, and then store this file in the same directory ; as your MSKERMIT.INI initialization file. ; ; Author: Christine M. Gianone, Sep 1992 ; Revised: Jun 1993 for version 3.13 ; Revised: Jan 1995 for version 3.14 ; :GO if < \v(version) 314 - stop 1 - This MSCUSTOM.INI file may be used only with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later. echo Executing SAMPLE MS-DOS Kermit customization file, \v(cmdfile)... echo Please edit this file to suit your needs and preferences. COMMENT - Autodownload and autoupload are disabled by default, see KERMIT.UPD. ; check term if fail forward XFER ec ec Auto-upload and -download disabled. ec Use SET TERMINAL APC ON to enable. ec ; set terminal apc on ; Uncomment to enable this feature. :XFER COMMENT - Sample file transfer preferences. ; set block 3 ; 16-bit CRC for strong error checking. set window 4 ; 4 Window slots. set receive packet-length 2000 ; Packet length is governed by receiver. set control prefix all ; Prefix all control characters. ; Macros for transferring files in text and binary mode... ; define bsend binary, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in binary mode define tsend text, send \%1 \%2 ; SEND in text mode define bget binary, get \%1 ; GET in binary mode define tget text, get \%1 ; GET in text mode COMMENT - TCP/IP network configuration. ; check tcp if fail forward notcp ; If your site has a BOOTP server and your PC is registered in it, the only ; command you need here is the following SET TCP/IP ADDRESS BOOTP command. ; You will also need the SET TCP/IP DOMAIN command if your BOOTP server is ; not at RFC1395 level and/or does not provide your PC's hostname (substitute ; your PC's real hostname for FOO.BAR.EDU). ; ;set tcp address BOOTP ; BOOTP will tell me my IP address SET TCP/IP DOMAIN dircsa.org.au ; My network's domain name ; Otherwise, to use TCP/IP connections, replace the dummy values below with ; appropriate values for your network (DON'T MAKE THEM UP! - consult your ; network manager) and uncomment the SET TCP/IP commands. ; SET TCP/IP ADDRESS 202.14.187.110 ; My PC's numeric IP address SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK 255.255.255.224 ; My physical network's subnet mask SET TCP/IP GATEWAY 202.14.187.100 ; My network gateway's IP address SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER 202.14.187.122 ; Primary nameserver's address ; SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER 123.123.123.3 ; fallback nameserver address SET TCP/IP BROADCAST 202.14.187.127 ; My network's broadcast address ; ip_router 202.14.187.100 ; ip_netmask 255.255.255.224 ; ip_address 202.14.187.110 ; Sample macro that shows how to use the session manager to access ; a particular host, called MYHOST. Make one of these for each host you ; commonly access. The first time you type "myhost" you'll get a new ; connection (and a session number), and subsequent times, the same session ; will be continued. This allows for easy session-switching from the ; MS-Kermit> prompt. You can also use Alt-n (\KnextSession) to toggle among ; sessions while in CONNECT mode. The TELNET macro is defined in MSKERMIT.INI. ; define myhost - telnet gateway 23 vt220,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) :NOTCP ; ; Add your own macro definitions, key settings, color selections, etc, here, ; for example: set modem hayes ; Change this to your modem type, see MODEMS\READ.ME. ; set printer nul ; Uncomment this if you do NOT have a printer. set port 1 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. set speed 9600 ; Change if desired. set flow xon/xoff ; Change to RTS/CTS if modem is configured for this. check term if fail end 0 set term type vt220 ; Change this if desired. set term bytesize 8 ; Change to 8 if desired. set term color 0 34 47 ; Terminal screen fore- and background colors. set term under 0 33 47 ; Underscore simulation colors. take \v(inidir)keyboard\vt300.ini ; Uncomment for full VT320 key mappings. set key \270 \008 myhost ; (End of MSCUSTOM.INI) Hope this helps... (mailed as well). Arthur. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 15:34:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27363 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13600 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!super.zippo.com!plnews!mdrn From: dallasii@kincyb.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pygmy Forth Kermit Date: 21 Jul 1997 01:36:15 -0700 Organization: None Lines: 16 Message-ID: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7374 I don't know if anyone else on c.p.k.m noticed, but the most recent issue of "Forth Dimensions" (May/June 1997, Vol. XIX, No. 1), has the first part of "A Simple Implementation of the Kermit Protocol in Pygmy Forth" by Frank Sergeant, on pages 10 - 11. Regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' legan@acm.org aw585@lafn.org dallasii@kincyb.com I speak only for myself, and assume full responsibility for my statements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 15:45:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29171 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14211 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pygmy Forth Kermit Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:45:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5r5n15$s4l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7375 In article , wrote: : I don't know if anyone else on c.p.k.m noticed, : but the most recent issue of "Forth Dimensions" (May/June 1997, : Vol. XIX, No. 1), has the first part of "A Simple Implementation of : the Kermit Protocol in Pygmy Forth" by Frank Sergeant, on pages 10 - 11. : No, hadn't heard about this one. However, there already was a version of Kermit in Forth. It dates from 1985 and was written for the Commodore 64. It can be found in the Kermit archive among the kermit/c/c64*.* files. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 15:49:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29736 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: \fFiles() Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:49:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <5r5n8l$s6j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1997Jul22.190800@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: \fFiles() Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7376 In article <1997Jul22.190800@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>, Robert Cornell wrote: : I have been pulling my hair out trying to evaluate whether a file is a : file or a directory. : I think I've now got it down... : You might have tried: IF DIRECTORY xxx Executes the if xxx is a directory. : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>mkdir dummy : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(dummy/*) : 0 : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(dummy/.*) : 2 : : Can I safely assume this is a feature and that the fact that * dosen't match : . and .. is because: : : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(*) : 27 : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \fFiles(.*) : 40 : : i.e. you don't want to see hidden(?) files. : Right -- in UNIX, Kermit behaves as much as possible like the shell in this regard. If you want to see hidden files you have to mention the dot. : Further, how can I tell if its a directory/character special/link if I : haven't got read permissions on it (without using shell). : C-Kermit is a cross-platform program, not just a UNIX one. It doesn't go quite that far in distinguishing among weird UNIX filetypes. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 15:51:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00136 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14523 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!zdc!super.zippo.com!plnews!mdrn From: dallasii@kincyb.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Thumb rule Date: 21 Jul 1997 01:35:15 -0700 Organization: None Lines: 19 Message-ID: Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7377 On a PC hardware newsgroup recently, someone recommended at thumbrule of having a PC to modem speed of 4 times the modem to modem connection speed for optimum 'throughput' for the session. Any comments on this? Regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' legan@acm.org aw585@lafn.org dallasii@kincyb.com I speak only for myself, and assume full responsibility for my statements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 15:52:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00373 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14615 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I wonder why Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:52:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5r5neg$sa1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5r524l$2l$1@news2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7378 In article <5r524l$2l$1@news2.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley wrote: : In sun 4 ckermit : Which version? : If I run a sh script from a command shell with the command : #1. or #2. everything is fine : however if I use these commands in a script that is running from : another process they fail. : I'm not sure what you mean by "running from another process". : However #3. works fine. : Not important, just wondering. The interactive mode is not : used in the #1 & #2 commands even though the #1 leaves you in interactive : mode??? : Yes, as documented in the manual. If you don't like that, use: kermit -C "send file, exit" : The script isn't stopped, returns to parent process where transfer : can't be implemented. : Maybe I could be more helpful if you stated exactly what you were trying to accomplish. If you have a specific bug to report, please send the details to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 23 15:54:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA00698 for ; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14639 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 23 Jul 1997 15:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Thumb rule Date: 23 Jul 1997 19:54:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5r5ni7$sbd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7379 In article , wrote: : On a PC hardware newsgroup recently, someone recommended at : thumbrule of having a PC to modem speed of 4 times the : modem to modem connection speed for optimum 'throughput' : for the session. : : Any comments on this? : This is to allow modem-to-modem compression to be effective, since the claim is that V.42bis compression as implemented in (say) V.34 modems, typically compresses non-precompressed data by a factor of four. Take with grain of salt. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 24 11:37:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA14903 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA11472 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!131.103.1.114!chi-news.cic.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!not-for-mail From: bradshaw@pcs.mot.com (Robert H. Bradshaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ftp script Date: 24 Jul 1997 14:57:46 GMT Organization: The Unconfigured xvnews people Lines: 48 Message-ID: <5r7qha$c40$1@trotsky.cig.mot.com> Reply-To: bradshaw@pcs.mot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lion52.pcs.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7380 I am trying to use C-kermit's scripting feature to automate an ftp session. QUESTION: Is this a could idea? I know there are other tools that can do this like expect, perl, etc. These tools may be better suited for this type of scripting but I want to minimize the number of tools that are used for this project and I am already using kermit. I need to make a hop through a firewall and then to the ftp server. The problem I am having is how to actually connect to the ftp session. I have tried C-Kermit> ftp firewall but this just starts an ftp session and does not allow me to use the input/output functions. I have also tried C-Kermit> set host firewall ftp This doesn't seem to establish a correct ftp session. I receive messages like: 500 '': command not understood. >From what little I know about ftp it looks like I am at a lower level then what the user interface really should be. I want to be able to do something like... clear input set host firewall ftp ; setup connection ; may have to login here input 5 firewall> output {ftp xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa\13} ; send the ftp command input 5 login: ; login output myname\13 input 9 assword: output mypassword\13 input 5 ftp> ; wait for ftp prompt output bin\13 ; set binary mode input 20 ftp> ; wait for ftp prompt output {get some_binary_file\13} ; transfer the file input 200 ftp> output bye\13 ; exit ftp output quit\13 ; exit firewall Any comments/help would be greatly appreciated. TIA From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 24 11:58:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18579 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 11:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ftp script Date: 24 Jul 1997 15:58:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <5r7u3q$510$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5r7qha$c40$1@trotsky.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7381 In article <5r7qha$c40$1@trotsky.cig.mot.com>, Robert H. Bradshaw wrote: : I am trying to use C-kermit's scripting feature to automate an ftp session. : QUESTION: Is this a could idea? I know there are other tools that can do : this like expect, perl, etc. These tools may be better suited for this type : of scripting but I want to minimize the number of tools that are used for : this project and I am already using kermit. : : I need to make a hop through a firewall and then to the ftp server. The : problem I am having is how to actually connect to the ftp session. : I have tried : C-Kermit> ftp firewall : but this just starts an ftp session and does not allow me to use the : input/output functions. : Right. : I have also tried : C-Kermit> set host firewall ftp : : This doesn't seem to establish a correct ftp session. I receive messages : like: 500 '': command not understood. : Right -- if you did this, you would need to write a script to execute the FTP protocol, but that is not possible because it would demand two TCP connections -- one for data and one for control -- and Kermit presently only supports one connection at a time. At some point we expect to build ftp protocol into Kermit, but we haven't done it yet. : I want to be able to do something like... : : clear input : set host firewall ftp ; setup connection : ; may have to login here : input 5 firewall> : output {ftp xxx.yyy.zzz.aaa\13} ; send the ftp command : input 5 login: ; login : output myname\13 : input 9 assword: : output mypassword\13 : input 5 ftp> ; wait for ftp prompt : : output bin\13 ; set binary mode : input 20 ftp> ; wait for ftp prompt : output {get some_binary_file\13} ; transfer the file : input 200 ftp> : output bye\13 ; exit ftp : output quit\13 ; exit firewall : This should work just fine if you change: set host firewall ftp ; setup connection to: set host firewall ; setup connection - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 24 15:50:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06786 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA25756 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 15:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.103.140.20!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I wonder why Date: 24 Jul 1997 11:55:27 GMT Organization: VoiceNet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 56 Message-ID: <5r7frf$klc$1@news2.voicenet.com> References: <5r524l$2l$1@news2.voicenet.com> <5r5neg$sa1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7382 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <5r524l$2l$1@news2.voicenet.com>, : Christopher Mosley wrote: : : In sun 4 ckermit : : : Which version? C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for SunOS 4.1 : : If I run a sh script from a command shell with the command : : #1. or #2. everything is fine : : however if I use these commands in a script that is running from : : another process they fail. : : : I'm not sure what you mean by "running from another process". *I accomplished* what I wanted by using the command "echo send $file | kermit" in the sh script. What I am doing is piping the contents of a post in the newsreading program "tin" through a filter that turns the contents of that post into a file and then runs a sh script that downloads that file to my PC using kermit protocol, after this is done control is again returned to the "tin process". Since "kermit -C "send $file"" leaves you in interactive mode I believed that "kermit -C "send $file"" and "echo send $file | kermit" were basically functionally the same. First I tried to use "kermit -C "send file"" in the script file to accomplish the above, after hours of trying to do this and failing I stumbled on the use of "echo send $file | kermit" - this worked ! When "kermit -C "send $file"" was used the automatic kermit download feature failed when I manually gave the receive command at the mskermit prompt the download screen came up completely inactive. Incidentally kermit -C "command"" worked in the above context for other commands that did not require a response e.g ls,pwd,echo etc. Also when "kermit -C "send $file"" is used in a script that is started from the unix command shell (a unix prompt) it unfailingly works. There is no problem because "echo send $file | kermit" works. I only posted because at the time I was surprised and frustrated and thought I had inkling of why "kermit -C "send $file"" wasn't working. Now I realize I don't have the remotest idea why it isn't working. Doing this I discovered that I can use kermit protocol to download from standard input, Unfortunately this can only be done using kermit -s - , and this didn't work either. If this is still incomprehensible feel free not to respond. Thanks cmosley From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 24 16:23:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12947 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27518 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: I wonder why Date: 24 Jul 1997 20:23:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <5r8dj9$dj9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5r524l$2l$1@news2.voicenet.com> <5r5neg$sa1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5r7frf$klc$1@news2.voicenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7383 In article <5r7frf$klc$1@news2.voicenet.com>, Christopher Mosley wrote: : What I am doing is piping the contents of a post in the newsreading : program "tin" through a filter that turns the contents of that post into a : file and then runs a sh script that downloads that file to my PC using : kermit protocol, after this is done control is again returned to the "tin : process". : I'm not familiar with tin, but I'm familiar with trn. At the trn prompt, after it shows you an article, you can give a "pipe" command, like "| lpr" if you want to print the article. If you want to download it with Kermit, just do: | kermit -s - or for fast startup and transfer using C-Kermit 6.0: | kermit -YQs - But since it's not a file, Kermit doesn't have a name for it, and so sends it under the name "STDIN". Of course, you can give it an "as-name": | kermit -YQs - -a article.txt : Since "kermit -C "send $file"" leaves you in interactive mode I believed : that "kermit -C "send $file"" and "echo send $file | kermit" were : basically functionally the same. : No, because the second form causes Kermit to sense an "end of file" on standard input and therefore exit automatically. : Doing this I discovered that I can use kermit protocol to download : from standard input, Unfortunately this can only be done : using kermit -s - , and this didn't work either. : It should work. If it doesn't work for you (as shown in the example above, which works here using SunOS 4.1 on the host and MS-DOS Kermit on the local end, just like you have), follow up by sending email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 24 18:35:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09513 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04436 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 24 Jul 1997 18:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: any way to run graphical WWW browser (xmosaic) over kermit dialup? Message-ID: Sender: jhurwit@netcom11.netcom.com Organization: Organization? What organization? References: <5qqfko$hhm$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 21:32:32 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7384 [Courtesy copy to poster.] In article <5qqfko$hhm$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, mlevin@login1.fas.harvard.edu (Michael Levin) wrote: > I dial in to a Unix machine at work using Kermit, and then log in to a >Unix shell. My home kermit is also running on a Unix box. Is there any way >to run a graphical WWW browser (I have xmosaic) on my machine at home over >the kermit dialup line? Please email to mlevin@fas.harvard.edu. Thanks, You can do it over your dialup line; Kermit has little to do with it. What you do is run a SLIP/PPP emulator on your shell account, and whatever TCP/IP stack you have on your boxes at work/home (or if Berkeley sockets is compiled into your apps, or whatever). There's a commercial emulator called TIA (The Internet Adapter), and a freeware one called SLiRP. For more info, check out the newsgroup alt.dcom.slip-emulators. As Frank mentioned, you can then use Kermit as your autodialer. After you log in and start SLiRP or TIA, you can then Start your stack on your box, and then xmosaic (or any other Internet software you want to run). Jeff -- jhurwit@netcom.com Jeffrey Hurwit "NETCOM: It's not just an ISP, it's a way of life." From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 25 00:43:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00462 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA25927 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 00:43:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Jerry Oberle <73400.2616@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using TELNET with a dialup connection with CKermit 6.0.192 on NextStep Date: 21 Jul 1997 13:30:16 GMT Organization: Meca Software, LLC Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5qvo98$f8s$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> References: <5qjs23$nnf@andromeda.rutgers.edu> Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!fremen.xsite.net!ntawwabp.compuserve.com!compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7387 You cannot start up a PPP session using kermit. You need to run a PPP Daemon to start PPP, such as pppd on Unix or Win95's dial up networking. Once you have PPP running, then you can use Kermit as a telnet client. The command "set network tcp/ip" simply tells Kermit to behave as a telnet client, rather than trying to access a serial communications port directly. It doesn't actually manage the network link, as pppd does. I hope this helps. Regards, Jerry Oberle From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 25 05:48:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA16848 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA08709 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 05:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.spinne.com!news.cs.utwente.nl!news.nic.utwente.nl!surfnet.nl!highway.leidenuniv.nl!usenet From: Mark Barto Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File download problems Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:11:50 +0200 Organization: Leiden University, The Netherlands Lines: 28 Message-ID: <33D86DD6.C7C98176@cdiv.azl.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 800azl41.azl.nl Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7389 Help me please .... Since I have upgraded K95 from version 1.1.11 to 1.1.12 and 1.1.13 are there problems with receiving files from our host computer. Instead of getting the message RECEIVING: filename.exe => filename.ext In the Kermit 95 console screen during transfer we get the message RECEIVING: filename.ext => rec_C_/TEMP/filename.exe (The donwload dir is c:\temp) Other changes in the transfer screen are: Kermit 95 1.1.11 Kermit 95 1.1.12 / 1.1.13 RTT/Timeout: 01 / 01 RTT/Timeout: 08 / 03 Packet Type: D Packet Type: E The downloads are aborted within an second. There are no other changes on the host computer, scripts or workstations than the K95 patches. Can anybody tell me what's happening here?? Thanks in advance ------------------------------ Mark Barto Academisch Ziekenhuis Leiden mbarto@cdiv.azl.nl From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 25 10:27:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09654 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA14860 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File download problems Date: 25 Jul 1997 14:27:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5rad46$54b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33D86DD6.C7C98176@cdiv.azl.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7390 In article <33D86DD6.C7C98176@cdiv.azl.nl>, Mark Barto wrote: : Since I have upgraded K95 from version 1.1.11 to 1.1.12 and 1.1.13 are : there problems with receiving files from our host computer. : Instead of getting the message : RECEIVING: filename.exe => filename.ext : In the Kermit 95 console screen during transfer we get the message : RECEIVING: filename.ext => rec_C_/TEMP/filename.exe (The donwload : dir is c:\temp) : : Other changes in the transfer screen are: : Kermit 95 1.1.11 Kermit 95 1.1.12 / 1.1.13 : RTT/Timeout: 01 / 01 RTT/Timeout: 08 / 03 : Packet Type: D Packet Type: E : The downloads are aborted within an second. : : There are no other changes on the host computer, scripts or workstations : than the K95 patches. : Somebody else reported something like this too. It's not normal, doesn't happen here, etc. As a band-aid, try telling K95 to: set receive pathnames off But we'll contact you directly to make sure we understand what is happening. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 25 14:18:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25489 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27819 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-peer!btnet-feed2!bt!gssec!news From: Scott Brennan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ending 'connect' mode Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:11:57 +0100 Organization: BT N&S Glasgow Engineering Centre Lines: 10 Message-ID: <33D87BED.62FD@gssec.bt.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: hyena.gssec.bt.co.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4m) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7391 Hi How do I end connect mode from within a script?? i.e. at the Kermit prompt I would type Ctrl-\ and then C. How can I do the same from within a script?? Thanks Scott From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 25 14:44:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01522 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA29204 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 14:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ending 'connect' mode Date: 25 Jul 1997 18:44:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5ras5o$d9t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33D87BED.62FD@gssec.bt.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7392 In article <33D87BED.62FD@gssec.bt.co.uk>, Scott Brennan wrote: : How do I end connect mode from within a script?? : You don't. The user has to escape back manually. : i.e. at the Kermit prompt I would type Ctrl-\ and then C. How can : I do the same from within a script?? : Don't use CONNECT. Use INPUT and OUTPUT instead. CONNECT connects the real keyboard and screen to the host. INPUT and OUTPUT are scripted versions of what happens during CONNECT. OUTPUT sends characters as if you had typed them, INPUT looks for prompts, etc, as if you were looking for them on the screen with your eyes. Script programming is thoroughly introduced and explained in the relevant manual, "Using C-Kermit" or "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 25 15:52:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14955 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02687 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:52:39 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: smc lancards Date: 25 Jul 1997 07:14:19 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 54 Message-ID: <5r8ibj$1gn@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <5r4fak$nnk@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7393 Arthur Marsh (arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au) wrote: : David Butt (davidb@ozramp.net.au) wrote: : : Joe Doupnik wrote: : : > : : > In article <33C4573E.7CDB@ozramp.net.au>, David Butt writes: Last but not least, here's what I'm using right now with Client32 and 16 bit drivers: SET NWLANGUAGE=ENGLISH C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\NIOS.EXE C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\LSL.COM C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\N16ODI.COM C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\NESL.COM C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\SMC8000.COM LOAD C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\LSLC32.NLM LOAD C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\PC32MLID.LAN rem LOAD C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\TCPIP.NLM LOAD C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\IPX.NLM rem another protocol driver for connecting to Esoft's TBBS bbs package c:\nwclient\tipxi14.exe /c:TBBS /f LOAD C:\NOVELL\CLIENT32\CLIENT32.NLM Net.cfg: Link Driver SMC8000 PORT 300 INT 5 MEM EC000 FRAME ETHERNET_802.2 FRAME ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL IP 0800 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL ARP 0806 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL RARP 8035 ETHERNET_II PROTOCOL IPX E0 ETHERNET_802.2 NetWare DOS Requester FIRST NETWORK DRIVE = F NETWARE PROTOCOL = NDS BIND Link Support Buffers 6 1600 MemPool 4096 protocol KERMIT bind SMC8000 Protocol IPX IPX SOCKETS 40 -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 26 03:44:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27616 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 03:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA04644 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 03:44:10 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith) Subject: Re: Ending 'connect' mode X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <33D87BED.62FD@gssec.bt.co.uk> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:22:31 GMT Lines: 33 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7394 Scott Brennan (Scott.Brennan@gssec.bt.co.uk) wrote: : Hi : How do I end connect mode from within a script?? : i.e. at the Kermit prompt I would type Ctrl-\ and then C. How can : I do the same from within a script?? : Thanks : Scott The short answer is: You can't! The not-so-short answer is: The reason you can't is because when kermit is connected to a remote host, the script is not in control, the user at the keyboard is. The script regains control ONLY after connect is ended, and that can be done only by the human operator. Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -- fred@computrition.com ---- "For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." ----------------------------- Jude 1:24,25 (niv) ----------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 26 16:04:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03663 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11965 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 16:04:43 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in4.uu.net!uucp5.uu.net!world!wpns From: wpns@world.std.com (William Smith) Subject: Local printer for remote host? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Distribution: na Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:45:15 GMT Lines: 10 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7397 Is there a(n easy) way to tell my ISP's machine to print something (in a Unix shell) and have it come out on a printer at home? I'm using a PPP dialin and telnetting across is with K95. Thanks! -- Willie Smith wpns@world.std.com N1JBJ@amsat.org #define NII Information SuperCollider From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 26 17:33:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18801 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Local printer for remote host? Date: 26 Jul 1997 21:33:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Distribution: na Message-ID: <5rdqfu$r1j$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7398 In article , William Smith wrote: : Is there a(n easy) way to tell my ISP's machine to print something (in : a Unix shell) and have it come out on a printer at home? I'm using a : PPP dialin and telnetting across is with K95. : Yes. See pages 53-55 of your Kermit 95 manual. K95 comes with some handy utilities you can upload to the host (UNIX or VMS) to accomplish host-directed PC printing. These are in the PRINTER subdirectory of your K95 directory. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jul 27 07:20:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA02926 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 07:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22858 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 27 Jul 1997 07:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!wlbr!news.cerf.net!hacgate2.hac.com!news.delcoelect.com!news.ses.cio.eds.com!not-for-mail From: Roy Buzdor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Authorization/License? Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:34:31 -0700 Organization: EDS Lansing Fab Lines: 29 Message-ID: <33D3E3F7.2C95@black.hol> References: <33CD2C60.1044@black.hol> <5qlmjr$453$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.173.130.137 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7401 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <33CD2C60.1044@black.hol>, Roy Buzdor wrote: > : Is C-Kermit still public domain, as Kermit is? > > Kermit software has never been in the public domain. ??? oh, my mistake. > : Do we need...?? > : > All the info is at our web site: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ > > - Frank Thanks, Frank. The message finally made it to my server. We are now in the process of jumping through all the correct hoops. Buz -- **************************************************************** ** ** ** My real address is: \lnuslad dot dzvg41 at eds dot com\ ** ** ** **************************************************************** From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 29 10:45:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26694 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10083 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!chi-news.cic.net!207.22.81.9!europa.clark.net!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Using TELNET with a dialup connection with CKermit 6.0.192 on NextStep Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <5qjs23$nnf@andromeda.rutgers.edu> <5qvo98$f8s$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:34:18 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: gerlach@netcom23.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7405 >You cannot start up a PPP session using kermit. After many years of using tip, finding ckermit for UNIX changed my life. One of the most useful ckermit commands is "redirect". Using redirect I was able to write scripts that would call my machine at work, fire up pppd on the remote end, and then the script would "redirect pppd" on the local end. Viola ckermit used as a ppp dialer. This script was then modifiec to call the remote machine and then tell it to call me back in 2 minutes and fire up a ppp connection. This mechanism worked for months until I replaced my modem with an ISDN router. So what is this about not being able to use ckermit as a ppp dialer? Matthew From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 30 10:58:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18576 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09107 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.mdor.state.mn.us!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: using ckermit as ppp dialer Message-ID: Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:40:22 GMT Lines: 60 Sender: gerlach@netcom23.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7407 Hello fellow kermit users, Yesterday, I posted an explanation of how one could use ckermit as a ppp dialer for a UNIX machine. I have been asked to post the script; so I have included it below. In particular I was bringing up a ppp link between two SunOS boxes. The script below would be executed on my machine at work and would call back my machine at home and then bring up the ppp connection. The whole thing relies on the use of the "redirect" command that allows any program that accesses STDIN/STDOUT to be used with a serial connection. In this case the "program" being redirected, myppp, is a one line shell script that fires up pppd with the proper command line arguments. Happy telehacking, Matthew ; Start of script to dial, login and bring up ppp log session set line /dev/cua1 set speed 38400 set flow RTS/CTS set modem hayes set dial speed-matching off dial 4770239 if success echo successful dial else exit ; now that we have made the modem connection, send a CR to ; force the login prompt. output \13 input 5 login: if failure echo failed to get login prompt, exit output matt\13 input 5 Password: if failure echo faied to get password prompt, exit ; ; output the password that was put on the command line ; output \&@[3]\13 ; look for my prompt input 5 duvel if failure echo failed to find duvel ; send command starting ppp on far end output myppp\13 sleep 2 echo fired up ppp on remote machine ; ; now fire up ppp on my end ; redirect myppp ; ; if the connection goes down, just exit. ; quit From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 30 17:32:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14506 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA29519 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 17:32:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!not-for-mail From: "Mike Dyck" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exiting Kermit without dropping carrier Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 16:29:44 -0500 Organization: MBnet - Manitoba's Connection To The Internet Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5robi4$nv1$1@postern.mbnet.mb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.45.193.125 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.0544.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0544.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7409 Anyone know a way of exiting kermit with dropping the carrier? If I disable the modem's DTR then I can quit kermit and the line will stay alive. Anyone know if there is some setting in kermit that will stop kermit from dropping the dtr? Mike From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 30 18:07:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20750 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA01300 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 18:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting Kermit without dropping carrier Date: 30 Jul 1997 22:07:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <5rodug$paf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5robi4$nv1$1@postern.mbnet.mb.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7410 In article <5robi4$nv1$1@postern.mbnet.mb.ca>, Mike Dyck wrote: : Anyone know a way of exiting kermit with dropping the carrier? If I disable : the modem's DTR then I can quit kermit and the line will stay alive. : Anyone know if there is some setting in kermit that will stop kermit from : dropping the dtr? : >From the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 27 HOW CAN I EXIT FROM C-KERMIT WITHOUT HANGING UP? Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit, but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made. For example, they want to use C-Kermit as their SLIP or PPP dialer. But they quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone before they can start the other application. It is a fundamental property of UNIX (and VMS, and Windows 95 and NT, and most other modern operating systems) that when a process exits, then every file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by the operating system. In most cases, closing a terminal device (such as a dialout serial port) hangs up the modem (by turning off the DTR signal). There is nothing the process can do about it. However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few: - If your Kermit version supports the REDIRECT command, use it to start the desired application (e.g. "redirect pppd"). Read about the REDIRECT command in the second edition of Using C-Kermit. - Tell C-Kermit to SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232, and then configure your modem to ignore DTR (not recommended). - Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g. through shell redirection or a command line option (the method depends on the other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc). - After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, delete the lock file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty device. Note that you can also tell C-Kermit to use a communications file descriptor created by another process; see the command-line options list in "Using C-Kermit", 2nd edition. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 30 20:07:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10383 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07514 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!feeder.chicago.cic.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!merlin!cornellr From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ignore my last post Date: 30 Jul 1997 11:01:23 GMT Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1997Jul30.115856@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eagle.ecid.cig.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7411 Turns out that the $SHELL environment variable had been set incorrectly! There dosen't seem to be a \v(shell) built in so I guess C-Kermit starts with \v(platform) ...... Robert Cornell ------------------------------------------------- © Robert Cornell - cornellr@ecid.cig.mot.com Mountfield +44 1424 432627 Fax +44 1424 441144 Motorola ECID +44 1793 566344 Fax +44 1793 420915 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jul 30 20:08:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA10430 for ; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07528 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 30 Jul 1997 20:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!feeder.chicago.cic.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!not-for-mail From: NOSPAMbradshaw@pcs.mot.com (Robert H. Bradshaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: modem problem at 9600 Date: 30 Jul 1997 16:43:10 GMT Organization: The Unconfigured xvnews people Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5rnquu$p3l$3@trotsky.cig.mot.com> Reply-To: NOSPAMbradshaw@pcs.mot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: lion52.pcs.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7412 I am trying to dial into a modem on a very noisy line. I can connect (I get login prompt) at 19200 but there is so much garbage on the line that I can not enter any commands. When I try dialing in at 9600 I cannot connect at all (NO CARRIER). I am using a US-Robotics Courier modem at siteA and am trying to connect to a Motorola 3265 FastModem at SiteB. So I have siteA can connect to siteB at speeds greater than 9600 but line quality makes command entry impossible siteA tries to connect to siteB at 9600 but gets "NO CARRIER" siteA can call into other sites at 9600 other sites can call into siteB at 9600 Is there some modem setting which would prevent these two modems from talking at 9600? Any comments would be appreciated From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 31 01:00:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA20303 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21081 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:00:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!jc1 From: JCainSpamkiller@azstarnet.com (JCain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 04:47:12 GMT Organization: Starnet Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5rp5fu$ovu@news.azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup02ip56.tus.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7413 I in some ng somewhere that Kermit 95 could be purchased at many retail outlets. I'm confident that Egghead was mentioned as an example. However, I stopped by Egghead yesterday and they not only didn't have it, they hadn't even heard of it. Can someone tell me which retail outlet carries this product. I realize that it's available directly from the author but I prefer to get it from a retail outlet. Regards, JCain ========================================== "So whats the plan?" - Mad Max "Plan? There ain't no plan!" - Pig Killer From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 31 07:12:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11820 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07398 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!169.197.1.4!news.azstarnet.com!jc1 From: JCainSpamkiller@azstarnet.com (JCain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: msdos kermit 3.14 Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 04:59:44 GMT Organization: Starnet Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5rp67f$ovu@news.azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup02ip56.tus.azstarnet.com X-Newsreader: News Xpress 2.01 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7414 In the past, I've used Msdos 3.14 in a dialup environment but today attempted to use it over a network cable. Using an EtherExpress Pro and the packet driver that came with it (epropkt.com), I was unable to make a connection to the host. I set my tcp/ip address, set a gateway (even though we aren't using one -- we just happen to have an NT server on the same network cable), set a subnetmask and tried to telnet to the unix box using the address of the host rather than a name. Kermit tries to resolve the host address but can't and therefore never connects. It says the host may not be up or I may need to set up a gateway. These efforts have been from DOS. If I go into wfw 3.11 on this machine, I have a stack from Microsoft that I downloaded from their site and I'm able to telnet to the unix box using an emulator called Wterm. No problems. It's just my kermit setup from DOS that's failing. I realize I haven't given much information to go on, but I would certainly appreciate any help I can get. Again, this is the first time I've tried to configure msdos kermit to work on a network. ========================================== "So whats the plan?" - Mad Max "Plan? There ain't no plan!" - Pig Killer From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 31 11:18:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24628 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA19978 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 Date: 31 Jul 1997 15:18:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5rqacn$orp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5rp5fu$ovu@news.azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7415 In article <5rp5fu$ovu@news.azstarnet.com>, JCain wrote: : I in some ng somewhere that Kermit 95 could be purchased at many retail : outlets. I'm confident that Egghead was mentioned as an example. However, I : stopped by Egghead yesterday and they not only didn't have it, they hadn't : even heard of it. Can someone tell me which retail outlet carries this : product. I realize that it's available directly from the author but I prefer : to get it from a retail outlet. : We can't control which retail outlets pick it up -- that's up to them. We are several steps removed from the process. Egghead as a corporation does carry it, but that doesn't mean that specific outlets do. The Egghead part number is 622571. We see the names of quite a few retail outlets on the registration cards that come back. The Micro Center Superstores are mentioned a lot, as are Softmart and Software Spectrum. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 31 11:23:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25799 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20223 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msdos kermit 3.14 Date: 31 Jul 1997 15:23:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5rqalm$ovd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5rp67f$ovu@news.azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7416 In article <5rp67f$ovu@news.azstarnet.com>, JCain wrote: : In the past, I've used Msdos 3.14 in a dialup environment but today : attempted to use it over a network cable. : : Using an EtherExpress Pro and the packet driver that came with it : (epropkt.com), I was unable to make a connection to the host. I set my : tcp/ip address, set a gateway (even though we aren't using one -- we just : happen to have an NT server on the same network cable), set a subnetmask and : tried to telnet to the unix box using the address of the host rather than a : name. : : Kermit tries to resolve the host address but can't and therefore never : connects. It says the host may not be up or I may need to set up a gateway. : These efforts have been from DOS. : Did you read NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC? Did you tell Kermit where to find your name server? The quick answer is: you either have to fill in all the blanks yourself (lots of SET TCP/IP commands: ADDRESS, SUBNETMASK, BROADCAST, GATEWAY, DOMAIN, PRIMARY-NAMESERVER, SECONDARY-NAMESERVER, etc) or else specify a BOOTP, RARP, or DHCP server. (For DHCP, you'll need MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta.) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 31 11:37:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00938 for ; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20997 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: modem problem at 9600 Date: 31 Jul 1997 15:37:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5rqbfi$pbt$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5rnquu$p3l$3@trotsky.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7417 In article <5rnquu$p3l$3@trotsky.cig.mot.com>, Robert H. Bradshaw wrote: : I am trying to dial into a modem on a very noisy line. I can connect (I get : login prompt) at 19200 but there is so much garbage on the line that I can : not enter any commands : So evidently your USR does not negotiate an error-corrected connection with the modem on the other end. : When I try dialing in at 9600 I cannot connect at all (NO CARRIER). : The remote modem's interface speed is probably 19200 bps. If an error-correction method can't be negotiated, then the remote modem probably refuses connections at any other speed, since you need an error-correction protocol in order to have speed buffering. : I am using a US-Robotics Courier modem at siteA and am trying to connect : to a Motorola 3265 FastModem at SiteB. : So check the configurations of both modems and make sure they both have the regular list of modulations and error-correction protocols and fallbacks enabled. Consult the manuals for each modem. Modern modems have a huge number of options in this area. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit or C-Kermit or K95 with the USR, using the provided script (for MS-DOS Kermit) or the built-in DIAL command with "set modem type usr" (for C-Kermit or K95), it will set up the USR correctly. In this case, the most likely culprit is the modem on the other end. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 1 13:01:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18513 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA24400 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!news.iac.net!news.structured.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.238.120.130!jump.net!news-fw!news.mpd!newsgate.tandem.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.cyberhighway.net!not-for-mail From: "Danny Stimpson" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:25:15 -0600 Organization: BMC West Corporation Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5rt317$82s$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net> References: <5rp5fu$ovu@news.azstarnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.251.138 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7419 JCain wrote in article <5rp5fu$ovu@news.azstarnet.com>... >I in some ng somewhere that Kermit 95 could be purchased at many retail >outlets. I'm confident that Egghead was mentioned as an example. However, I >stopped by Egghead yesterday and they not only didn't have it, they hadn't >even heard of it. Can someone tell me which retail outlet carries this >product. I realize that it's available directly from the author but I prefer >to get it from a retail outlet. > >Regards, > >JCain > I too found the same problem when I went to my Egghead store a year ago. They had no idea what I was talking about and sent me off on my way. By the way, that Egghead store closed their doors soon after my visit. I then went to Eggheads web site. I believe I had to hunt for a while and eventually called their 800 number. Then, when they finally told me their price for Kermit 95, I said no thanks. It was cheaper to buy it direct from Columbia University. However, Columbia seemed to had misplaced my order after I called them and I waited for several weeks to get the product. Sometimes I wonder why I had so much patience through my quest to purchase Kermit 95. I guess it's because I had worked at a University for 18 years in a previous life. And, I'm still waiting for a real GUI interface for Kermit 95... Goodluck my friend. Danny From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 1 13:46:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28103 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!131.103.1.114!chi-news.cic.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!merlin!cornellr From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Send Date: 1 Aug 1997 09:25:42 GMT Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1997Aug1.102318@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: vulture.ecid.cig.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7420 Bonjour all, How can I determine from a script if there are files in the send list. C-Kermit>show send send-list is empty C-Kermit>show status SUCCESS The status will be SUCCESS if there are tagged files or if the list is empty. Does C-Kermit store the list in an array I can get to? Robert ------------------------------------------------- © Robert Cornell - cornellr@ecid.cig.mot.com Mountfield +44 1424 432627 Fax +44 1424 441144 Motorola ECID +44 1793 566344 Fax +44 1793 420915 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 1 13:53:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29223 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27279 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Send Date: 1 Aug 1997 17:53:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5rt7qq$4jf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1997Aug1.102318@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7421 In article <1997Aug1.102318@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>, Robert Cornell wrote: : How can I determine from a script if there are files in the : send list. : : C-Kermit>show send : send-list is empty : C-Kermit>show status : SUCCESS : : The status will be SUCCESS if there are tagged files or : if the list is empty. : : Does C-Kermit store the list in an array I can get to? : Good question. Answer: no. We'll have to add a way to let you do this. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 1 14:02:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01253 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA27870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 Date: 1 Aug 1997 18:02:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <5rt8b4$4sf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5rp5fu$ovu@news.azstarnet.com> <5rt317$82s$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7422 In article <5rt317$82s$1@host-3.cyberhighway.net>, Danny Stimpson wrote: : JCain wrote in article <5rp5fu$ovu@news.azstarnet.com>... : >I in some ng somewhere that Kermit 95 could be purchased at many retail : >outlets. I'm confident that Egghead was mentioned as an example. However, : >I stopped by Egghead yesterday and they not only didn't have it... : : ... I believe I had to hunt for a while and eventually called their 800 : number. Then, when they finally told me their price for Kermit 95, I said : no thanks. : We have no control over what stores charge. It's the chicken and egg situation. If they had higher volume, they'd drop the price. If they dropped the price, they'd have higher volume. They'd probably also sell more if they didn't hide it so well, but only customer pressure can convince them of this. : It was cheaper to buy it direct from Columbia University. However, : Columbia seemed to had misplaced my order after I called them and I : waited for several weeks to get the product. : This is not typical, or even common, but it can happen. If anything goes wrong with an order, we're here to fix it. Don't be shy. Call, or send email to: kermit-orders@columbia.edu : And, I'm still waiting for a real GUI interface for Kermit 95... : And we're still working on it. At this point it is primarily a matter of creating literally thousands of GUI dialogs to do what the text-mode commands do. It shouldn't be too much longer. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 4 17:19:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14084 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA26621 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msdos kermit 3.14 Message-ID: Date: 2 Aug 97 11:34:10 MDT References: <5rp67f$ovu@news.azstarnet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!ais.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-feed4.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!gronk.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7426 In article <5rp67f$ovu@news.azstarnet.com>, JCainSpamkiller@azstarnet.com (JCain) writes: > In the past, I've used Msdos 3.14 in a dialup environment but today attempted > to use it over a network cable. > > Using an EtherExpress Pro and the packet driver that came with it > (epropkt.com), I was unable to make a connection to the host. I set my tcp/ip > address, set a gateway (even though we aren't using one -- we just happen to > have an NT server on the same network cable), set a subnetmask and tried to > telnet to the unix box using the address of the host rather than a name. > > Kermit tries to resolve the host address but can't and therefore never > connects. It says the host may not be up or I may need to set up a gateway. > These efforts have been from DOS. > > If I go into wfw 3.11 on this machine, I have a stack from Microsoft that I > downloaded from their site and I'm able to telnet to the unix box using an > emulator called Wterm. No problems. It's just my kermit setup from DOS that's > failing. > > I realize I haven't given much information to go on, but I would certainly > appreciate any help I can get. Again, this is the first time I've tried to > configure msdos kermit to work on a network. --------- Let's clarify things. The environment is pure DOS in this case, not a DOS box of Windows, right? You loaded the Packet Driver and no errors were reported, which we infer because MSK itself did not complain about lack of a Packet Driver. And there is no other TCP/IP stack running on the machine at that time; two or more such are fatal. This most often leaves us with setting up proper TCP/IP values for MSK. And that means we would need to know what you did setup, and the IP address of the remote host (to sort out IP addressing snafus). Please fill in these details and we can try again. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 4 18:05:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23230 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29059 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 18:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!cmg From: cmg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Christine Gianone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 23 Date: 4 Aug 1997 22:05:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5s5jmm$7bj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7427 Here is the next Beta (23) of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. The two changes are: 1. Allowance for use of all 25 screen lines in ANSI terminal emulation, for use with applications that put a status line or menu on the bottom line, and 2. Data General DASHER D217 emulation. Thanks as always to Professor Joe Doupnik for his stewardship of MS-DOS Kermit, whose popularity never fades. Beta 23 is in the usual place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip As with the previous Betas, download this one into your regular MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 directory and unzip it. It makes MSK315.EXE and MSK315.DOC files which do not conflict with your current installation. To test, just run MSK315 instead of KERMIT. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu. /Christine From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 6 07:03:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05606 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05868 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 07:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!200.255.253.242!news.embratel.net.br!usenet From: username@embratel.net.br (af2) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How setup kermit to accept printer files in remote terminal??? Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 05:18:30 GMT Organization: Empresa Brasileira de Telecomunicacoes Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5s8j04$lgk@rjo02.embratel.net.br> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.255.254.166 X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7428 Hi all In my linux box I setup dumb terminal with kermit 3.15 (dos) and it's working very well (terminal emulation, transfering files, etc...). Now I'm trying printer files in the printer in the dumb terminal side (dos with kermit 3.15). If possible please send me scripts examples for this job or point to me get the correct informations. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 6 11:13:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16248 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18904 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 11:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How setup kermit to accept printer files in remote terminal??? Date: 6 Aug 1997 15:13:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5sa4ar$c2t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5s8j04$lgk@rjo02.embratel.net.br> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7429 In article <5s8j04$lgk@rjo02.embratel.net.br>, af2 wrote: : In my linux box I setup dumb terminal with kermit 3.15 (dos) and it's : working very well (terminal emulation, transfering files, etc...). : : Now I'm trying printer files in the printer in the dumb terminal side : (dos with kermit 3.15). : The host must precede the text-to-be-printed with ESC [ 5 i and then send ESC [ 4 i after it. To force out the last or only page, it might also have to send Ctrl-L just before ESC [ 4 i. This works fine in DOS, and it should work in Linux too if Linux supports the DOS PRN device. MS-DOS Kermit comes with printing scripts for UNIX and VMS -- look in the UTILS subdirectory of your Kermit directory. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 6 17:59:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03873 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09075 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 17:59:15 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using scripts Date: 5 Aug 1997 03:53:52 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5s56no$20i@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <33E1BD37.1345@gssec.bt.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.kornet.nm.kr!news-stock.gsl.net!news-hk.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.ourworld.net!news.adl.auslink.net!morse.satech.net.au!news.camtech.net.au!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7430 Scott Brennan (Scott.Brennan@gssec.bt.co.uk) wrote: : Hi : What is the standard way to execute a kermit script within : MS-DOS? : I've been doing it by: : kermit < file.scr : but the script doesn't seem to do everything as it should. : e.g. 'cd' doesn't work : 'if success/failure' doesn't work I use: kermit take file.scr I also recommend the current MS-Kermit 3.15 beta for MS-DOS: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip which for maximum benefit requires that you already have MS-Kermit 3.14 release version: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msvibm.zip PKUNZIP this file with pkunzip -d msvibm using pkzip 2.04g Regards, Arthur. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 6 18:11:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06046 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA09786 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 18:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using scripts Date: 6 Aug 1997 22:11:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5sasr0$pdh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33E1BD37.1345@gssec.bt.co.uk> <5s56no$20i@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7431 In article <5s56no$20i@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Scott Brennan (Scott.Brennan@gssec.bt.co.uk) wrote: : What is the standard way to execute a kermit script within : MS-DOS? : I've been doing it by: : : kermit < file.scr : : but the script doesn't seem to do everything as it should. : Scripts are programs that often involve jumping around, looping, etc. You can't do that with standard input. Tell Kermit to "take" the file. For MS-DOS Kermit, "kermit take file.scr". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 7 00:33:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26257 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA28803 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 00:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in3.uu.net!204.177.184.15!everest.iserv.net!news From: mjordan@i386.jordan.org (Mark J. Jordan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 w/ MaxDial driver. Date: 6 Aug 1997 20:33:18 -0400 Organization: A Red Hat Commercial Linux Site Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5sb54f$usu@i386.jordan.org> Reply-To: mjordan@mail.com NNTP-Posting-Host: gr-max3-10.iserv.net X-Newsreader: NewsWerthy 2.20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7432 I've loaded my K95 software onto my W95 PC. All is well, except one thing: I cannot seem to connect to a MS TAPI modem. The modem itself is not directly connected to my PC, but rather is accessable via a MaxDial driver over the network. It seems to simulate COM2 as the device to which to modem is connected. When I attempt to run K95.exe the device is found and recognized (Ascend Digital Modem (33.6)). However, an attempt to 'connect' results in no response for AT, nor are there any characters echoed. I do get a '0' (zero) on the screen, however, but that's it. I have successfully used other 32-bit comm packages, ie. Procomm, with this device, so I'm certain it is Kermit related. Any suggestions would be appreciated... more than likely, I'm lacking some configuration or something 8^). Thanks in advance. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Mark J. Jordan Par Computer Solutions, Inc., Grand Rapids, MI mjordan@mail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 7 10:25:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA14827 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:25:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25371 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 w/ MaxDial driver. Date: 7 Aug 1997 14:25:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Message-ID: <5scls3$mf6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5sb54f$usu@i386.jordan.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7433 In article <5sb54f$usu@i386.jordan.org>, Mark J. Jordan wrote: : I've loaded my K95 software onto my W95 PC. All is well, except one : thing: I cannot seem to connect to a MS TAPI modem. : We will follow up on this one by direct e-mail. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 7 12:43:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07872 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02610 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!in1.uu.net!192.94.214.100!newscast.hq.tis.com!clipper!roger From: roger@clipper.tis.com (Roger Hartmuller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: High Speed Cable Modems Date: 7 Aug 1997 16:16:41 GMT Organization: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <5scsd9$g7$1@newscast.hq.tis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: clipper X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7434 My local cable company, Comcast Cable, has run Fiber Optics to my house. They are offering a cable modem hookup to the internet, with download speeds up to 10 MB, and upload speeds around 1 MB. Does Kermit 95 make sense/will it work over that type of connection, if I were to get it? Roger Hartmuller roger@tis.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 7 13:44:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18261 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05701 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: High Speed Cable Modems Date: 7 Aug 1997 17:44:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5sd1ho$s35$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5scsd9$g7$1@newscast.hq.tis.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7435 In article <5scsd9$g7$1@newscast.hq.tis.com>, Roger Hartmuller wrote: : My local cable company, Comcast Cable, has run Fiber Optics to my house. They : are offering a cable modem hookup to the internet, with download speeds : up to 10 MB, and upload speeds around 1 MB. Does Kermit 95 make sense/will : it work over that type of connection, if I were to get it? : If you can make a TCP/IP connection over this setup, then you can use Kermit as a Telnet or Rlogin client. The question is: will you also have drivers for the device that can be used with Microsoft TCP/IP? If not, then if a Windows COM driver is supplied, you can use that with TAPI in K95 1.1.13 to make a modem-like connection. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 8 19:24:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21583 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22916 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 19:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!xmission!not-for-mail From: "Reed Rivkind" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95: Scripts for Automatically launching other programs Date: 8 Aug 1997 23:20:27 GMT Organization: XMission Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bca452$3b9930a0$a80146a6@reed> NNTP-Posting-Host: slc102.modem.xmission.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7437 Does anyone have any example scripts that do the following? Wait for a file to be transferred over, and then run a Dos command. This process can not interrupt the current k95 session. -I don't want to press any key to continue. -TIA From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 9 12:47:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA00454 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA12451 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95: Scripts for Automatically launching other programs Date: 9 Aug 1997 16:47:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5si6ua$c1h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bca452$3b9930a0$a80146a6@reed> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7440 In article <01bca452$3b9930a0$a80146a6@reed>, Reed Rivkind wrote: : Does anyone have any example scripts that do the following? : : Wait for a file to be transferred over, and then run a Dos command. This : process can not interrupt the current k95 session. -I don't want to press : any key to continue. : It should be entirely straightforward: send xxxx if fail end 1 Transfer failed run yyyy (where xxxx is a filename and yyyy is a "DOS" command). The "press any key to continue" business happens only when the RUN command was given interactively. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 11 07:08:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA09364 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03690 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!demos!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.netaxs.com!news.voicenet.com!dsinc!nntp.upenn.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!disco.iinet.net.au!news.wantree.com.au!not-for-mail From: Bruce Cook Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: High Speed Cable Modems Date: 11 Aug 1997 12:01:47 -0800 Organization: The Bicycle Factory Lines: 29 Message-ID: References: <5scsd9$g7$1@newscast.hq.tis.com> <5sd1ho$s35$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: per6-98.wantree.com.au X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Cache-Post-Path: cletus.kintailrd!unknown@donal.kintailrd Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7445 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <5scsd9$g7$1@newscast.hq.tis.com>, > Roger Hartmuller wrote: > : My local cable company, Comcast Cable, has run Fiber Optics to my house. They > : are offering a cable modem hookup to the internet, with download speeds > : up to 10 MB, and upload speeds around 1 MB. Does Kermit 95 make sense/will > : it work over that type of connection, if I were to get it? > : > If you can make a TCP/IP connection over this setup, then you can use Kermit > as a Telnet or Rlogin client. The question is: will you also have drivers for > the device that can be used with Microsoft TCP/IP? > > If not, then if a Windows COM driver is supplied, you can use that with TAPI > in K95 1.1.13 to make a modem-like connection. A lot of the "cable modems" simply have an erthernet plug on the back. Therefore if you have a packet driver for an ethernet card you should be right. -- ...BRU Bruce Cook, Synonet Corp. E-Mail: bcook@wantree.com.au Phone: +061 15 999 330 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 11 20:18:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06626 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA14309 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.gte.net!not-for-mail From: dabolts@gte.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit macro question Date: 12 Aug 1997 00:17:39 GMT Organization: gte.net Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5soa33$9a8$1@gte1.gte.net> Reply-To: dabolts@gte.net NNTP-Posting-Host: clw003108.gte.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth: 51120d8e5f47571941180411 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7446 Can you define/assign a macro that contains a variable in the name? For example: define \%a 1 define MESS_\%a This is message 1 where the macro should be named MESS_1 and contain "This is message 1" Thanks... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 12 12:02:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16381 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA29562 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!iagnet.net!129.188.136.101!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!news From: Adam Mann Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Motorola BitSufer Modem Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:35:50 +0000 Organization: Motorola Lines: 7 Message-ID: <33F082D6.30BE6C0F@ecid.cig.mot.com> Reply-To: manna@ecid.cig.mot.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pr413-017.ecid.cig.mot.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en]C-GPD-ECID (Win16; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7447 Im looking for a kermit script program for dailing/configuring a Motorola BitSufer Pro ISDN Modem and a Codex (Motorola) 3265 Fast modem. Ill be using MS_DOS kermit under Windows 3.11 and C-kermit on a Sun Sparc running Solaris 2.5. Can you help .... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 12 12:21:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19508 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00527 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit macro question Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:21:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <5sq2j2$40p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5soa33$9a8$1@gte1.gte.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7448 In article <5soa33$9a8$1@gte1.gte.net>, wrote: : Can you define/assign a macro that contains a variable in the name? For : example: : : define \%a 1 : define MESS_\%a This is message 1 : : where the macro should be named MESS_1 and contain "This is message 1" : It depends on which Kermit program you are talking about, and which version of it. In the current versions of MS-DOS Kermit, Kermit 95, and C-Kermit, the commands for this are _DEFINE and _ASSIGN, which do the same things as their unprefixed counterparts, except that they allow construction of the variable name in the manner you've shown: define \%a 1 _define MESS_\%a This is message 1 echo \m(MESS_1) However, in this case it looks like you are trying to simulate arrays, and there is no need for that since we already have arrays: declare \&m[20] ; Declare an array for 20 messages define \&m[1] This is message 1 define \&m[2] This is message 2 etc... And of course, the subscript can be a variable: define \%a 1 define \&m[\%a] This is message 1 or even an expression: define \%a 1 define \&m[(\%a+3)/2] This is message 1 The 1997 edition of "Using C-Kermit" explains the script and macro language in detail, with lots of examples: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 12 12:27:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20367 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00782 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Motorola BitSufer Modem Date: 12 Aug 1997 16:27:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5sq2t3$44t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33F082D6.30BE6C0F@ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7449 In article <33F082D6.30BE6C0F@ecid.cig.mot.com>, Adam Mann wrote: : Im looking for a kermit script program for dailing/configuring a : Motorola BitSufer Pro ISDN Modem and a Codex (Motorola) 3265 Fast modem. : : Ill be using MS_DOS kermit under Windows 3.11 and C-kermit on a Sun : Sparc running Solaris 2.5. : First of all, it might not be just a simple matter of a script. Kermit does not contain any instrinsic support for ISDN. Therefore, before you can use Kermit with an ISDN "modem" (in quotes because ISDN is digital and therefore the is no modulation or demodulation), you'll need a COM driver (DOS or Windows) or tty device driver (UNIX) for this device, that makes it appear to the software as if it were a regular serial port / modem combination, if that's not how it looks already. For example, there are drivers for DOS with names like CAPI or PAPI for this, mostly from Germany. That said, we'll be glad to support these modems if you can provide us with the command and response list -- i.e. a copy of the relevant portions of the manuals. Contact us at kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 12 13:56:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA08365 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05268 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!ultranews.duc.auburn.edu!usenet From: "t.bakir" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: X terminal emulation ? Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:50:32 -0500 Organization: Auburn University Usenet Server Lines: 2 Message-ID: <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: columbia.eng.auburn.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; U; SunOS 5.5.1 sun4u) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7450 i read in that in the future k95 will support X terminal emulation .... is this the same as an X-server like MI/X?? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 12 14:32:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15769 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA07190 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: X terminal emulation ? Date: 12 Aug 1997 18:32:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5sqa73$81g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7451 In article <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu>, t.bakir wrote: : i read in that in the future k95 will support X terminal emulation .... : is this the same as an X-server like MI/X?? : It's on our list of things to do, but we can't promise we will actually do it or exactly what form it might take. Obviously being an X server and emulating Xterm are two entirely different matters. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 13 00:09:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA15045 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06860 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit macro question Message-ID: <7YZBP$LJAPgE@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Aug 97 10:40:51 MDT References: <5soa33$9a8$1@gte1.gte.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7452 In article <5soa33$9a8$1@gte1.gte.net>, dabolts@gte.net writes: > Can you define/assign a macro that contains a variable in the name? For > example: > > define \%a 1 > define MESS_\%a This is message 1 > > where the macro should be named MESS_1 and contain "This is message 1" > > Thanks... ---------- Use hidden command _DEFINE which will expand substitution variables in the left side at definition time. Plain regular DEFINE retains the spelling without substitution, thus allowing dynamic spelling of macro names later on (when \%a is replaced by its value). _DEFINE does the replacement at the time the definition is created. Try it. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 13 16:17:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA16049 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:17:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10361 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 16:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.nacamar.de!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!news-ber1.dfn.de!news-ham1.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!enterprise.desy.de!x4u2.desy.de!hfalken From: hfalken@x4u2.desy.de (Harald Falkenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Q: apache 1.2 & AFS/Kerberos? Date: 13 Aug 1997 12:08:38 GMT Organization: Deutsches Elektronen-Synchrotron DESY, Hamburg, Germany. Lines: 14 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: x4u2.desy.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7453 Hi all, I'm looking for a apache module, which controls and allows access to AFS (Andrew File System) stored web pages. Furthermore I need a solution to check paswords against the AFS/Kerberos password database for protected pages. Does anyone know something about this topic? Please mail me hints to: hfalken@desy.de Thank you in advance for your help bye Harald From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 13 18:52:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15871 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18042 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 Aug 1997 18:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.bctel.net!not-for-mail From: "Mark Wan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Server Date: 13 Aug 1997 22:43:57 GMT Organization: Selkirk Financial Technologies Inc. Lines: 17 Message-ID: <01bca83b$089a5480$d34e66cf@wan> NNTP-Posting-Host: m196.selkirkfinancial.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7454 Hi: I am writing an app to download a file from a host. The app on the host side creates a data file, gives me the file name and changes in Kermit server mode. The tools I am using does not support native Kermit server commands. I tried to emulate the "get filename" using escape sequences Esc-c without success. I was reading a C-kermit book and it talks about pressing alt-x before the "get filename" command. Can anybody tell me what is actually transmitted so that I can emulate it? Thanks Mark Wan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 08:12:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA26317 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25034 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news.wfu.edu!not-for-mail From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: X terminal emulation ? Date: 14 Aug 1997 11:56:00 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5surog$qpq@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> References: <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu> <5sqa73$81g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: darth.phy.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7457 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu>, : t.bakir wrote: : : i read in that in the future k95 will support X terminal emulation .... : : is this the same as an X-server like MI/X?? : : : It's on our list of things to do, but we can't promise we will actually do : it or exactly what form it might take. Obviously being an X server and : emulating Xterm are two entirely different matters. I thought and X terminal emulator (or X terminal) *was* an X server. With X, "server" and "client" are reversed from the usual sense: the X client is on the mainframe and the X server is on your desktop. Or have I missed your point? P.S. Is including Tektronix emulation in Kermit95 on the horizon? -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Department of Physics http://www.wfu.edu/%7Ematthews Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) USA From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 09:21:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05269 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28436 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!nntp-xfer.ncsu.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!unc-cs!fddinewz.oit.unc.edu!romani From: romani@email.unc.edu (David Romani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Locking down public terminals Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 08:09:22 -0400 Organization: Academic Affairs Library UNC CH Lines: 12 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: aaladm26.lib.unc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.4.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7458 Folks, We are about to deploy some PCs for patron use. They will be running Kermit-95 to access the campus mail server. Any words of wisdom or lessons learned the hard way (or otherwise) on locking Kermit down. TIA David Romani Library Systems / Davis Library University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill romani@email.unc.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 09:23:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05513 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28606 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 09:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: X terminal emulation ? Date: 14 Aug 1997 13:23:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5sv0t0$f4u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu> <5sqa73$81g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5surog$qpq@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7459 In article <5surog$qpq@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu>, Rick Matthews wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu>, : : t.bakir wrote: : : : i read in that in the future k95 will support X terminal emulation .... : : : is this the same as an X-server like MI/X?? : : : : : It's on our list of things to do, but we can't promise we will actually do : : it or exactly what form it might take. Obviously being an X server and : : emulating Xterm are two entirely different matters. : : I thought and X terminal emulator (or X terminal) *was* an X server. : With X, "server" and "client" are reversed from the usual sense: the X : client is on the mainframe and the X server is on your desktop. 'X' by itself is the client/server environment. 'Xterm' is an X client that provides an ANSI X3.64-1979 based character terminal with support for Tektronix 4014 graphics and various windowing extensions. : P.S. Is including Tektronix emulation in Kermit95 on the horizon? After the first GUI release. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 11:10:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23732 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04164 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Server Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:10:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5sv75a$idf$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bca83b$089a5480$d34e66cf@wan> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7460 In article <01bca83b$089a5480$d34e66cf@wan>, Mark Wan wrote: : I am writing an app to download a file from a host. The app on the host : side creates a data file, gives me the file name and changes in Kermit : server mode. The tools I am using does not support native Kermit server : commands. I tried to emulate the "get filename" using escape sequences : Esc-c without success. : : I was reading a C-kermit book and it talks about pressing alt-x before the : "get filename" command. Can anybody tell me what is actually transmitted : so that I can emulate it? : Alt-x doesn't send anything; it switches the client from terminal emulation to command mode. I'd suggest that instead of reinventing the wheel, you simply license the appropriate Kermit program for use with your application, and then have your application invoke it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 11:13:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24203 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04202 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: X terminal emulation ? Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:12:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5sv79r$iep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu> <5sqa73$81g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5surog$qpq@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7461 In article <5surog$qpq@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu>, Rick Matthews wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : In article <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu>, : : t.bakir wrote: : : : i read in that in the future k95 will support X terminal emulation .... : : : is this the same as an X-server like MI/X?? : : : : : It's on our list of things to do, but we can't promise we will actually do : : it or exactly what form it might take. Obviously being an X server and : : emulating Xterm are two entirely different matters. : : I thought and X terminal emulator (or X terminal) *was* an X server. : With X, "server" and "client" are reversed from the usual sense: the X : client is on the mainframe and the X server is on your desktop. : : Or have I missed your point? : An X server responds to X protocol for putting pixels on a screen. Xterm responds to VT100-like escape sequences. It need not run on an X server. "xterm emulation" might just as easily mean "responding to and sending the same set of escape sequences as xterm". : P.S. Is including Tektronix emulation in Kermit95 on the horizon? : Yes. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 11:13:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24420 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04340 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Locking down public terminals Date: 14 Aug 1997 15:13:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5sv7bg$ifa$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7462 In article , David Romani wrote: : We are about to deploy some PCs for patron use. They will be running : Kermit-95 to access the campus mail server. Any words of wisdom or lessons : learned the hard way (or otherwise) on locking Kermit down. : Why don't you contact us directly about this? kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 15:16:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12975 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16533 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!207.172.3.52!feed1.news.erols.com!winter.news.erols.com!news From: ajam Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Installation Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:06:54 -0400 Organization: Erol's Internet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <33F3574E.7EBF@erols.com> Reply-To: ajam@erols.com NNTP-Posting-Host: spg-as64s31.erols.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Received-On: 14 Aug 1997 19:15:34 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-DH397 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7464 This might be the most dull question in this newsgroup, but here it is. I downloaded the latest version of the C-Kermit via ftp, and saved it under /usr/local/bin/kermit6. (The OS that I am using is Red Hat Linux Release 4.1, which uses the Linux Kernel 2.0.27). Well, then I tried to compile it using "make linux", as stated in the "makefile", but during the compilation it says that it cannot find some (ncurses) functions like "printw" and "wmove". The "makefile" stated that one shall make a soft link from "ncurses.h" to "curses.h", and it is there. Also, "termcap.h" already has the "termios.h" file included. Maybe it is the silliest thing in the world, but at this point I'm brain dead. I really will appreciate anybody that has the time and interest to explain it to me. Thanks! ajam@erols.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 15:30:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15941 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17250 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 15:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: [Kermit] Installation Date: 14 Aug 1997 19:30:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-ID: <5svmcr$q8t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33F3574E.7EBF@erols.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7465 comp.os.linux.misc:209499 In article <33F3574E.7EBF@erols.com>, ajam wrote: : This might be the most dull question in this newsgroup, but here it is. : It's a good question. Bear in mind that there isn't just one Linux, there are many varieties. The number might even approach infinity as you consider all the possible combinations of the various elements. : I downloaded the latest version of the C-Kermit via ftp, and saved it : under /usr/local/bin/kermit6. (The OS that I am using is Red Hat Linux : Release 4.1, which uses the Linux Kernel 2.0.27). : If building it from source doesn't work, then I'd recommend installing it straight from the Redhat RPM install package, which you can also find at the Kermit site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm (this is the PC version -- there are also versions for Alpha, Sparc, etc). Perhaps not surprisingly, when the Redhat (or Slackware, or Debian) install package doesn't work, then the recommendation is to build from source :-) : Well, then I tried to : compile it using "make linux", as stated in the "makefile", but during : the compilation it says that it cannot find some (ncurses) functions : like "printw" and "wmove". The "makefile" stated that one shall make a : soft link from "ncurses.h" to "curses.h", and it is there. Also, : "termcap.h" already has the "termios.h" file included. Maybe it is the : silliest thing in the world, but at this point I'm brain dead. I really : will appreciate anybody that has the time and interest to explain it to : me. Thanks! : I think something must be wrong with your Linux installation -- how can there be a curses library without a printw() function? Anyway, try the Redhat RPM package -- hopefully it will "just work". Meanwhile, I'm copying this to the Linux newsgroup for hints on what might be amiss with your curses setup. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 16:11:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23879 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19252 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 16:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!camelot.ccs.neu.edu!not-for-mail From: Rich Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: X terminal emulation ? Date: 14 Aug 1997 16:06:58 -0400 Organization: Prescient Technologies, Inc. Lines: 28 Sender: ratinox@swec-fw-e0.swec.com Message-ID: References: <33F0A268.2650@eng.auburn.edu> <5sqa73$81g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5surog$qpq@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> <5sv79r$iep$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: swec-fw-e0.swec.com X-No-Archive: yes Mail-Copies-To: never X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.4.64/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7466 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>>> "FdC" == Frank da Cruz writes: FdC> An X server responds to X protocol for putting pixels on a screen. FdC> Xterm responds to VT100-like escape sequences. An 'X terminal' is a different beast. In essence, a box akin to a VT100 that happens to an X server. Just so we're clear on terminology. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBM/NlYJ6VRH7BJMxHAQFB5AP+MyWxgSwCQzpxrAViyfCg9aXoNtIxc6wz gNbzIJ0/Mpt3QuvClbcEJ8Fx9QRQoQijexulJMIC0Hd3YpAbW3P12IwMeKhFtrNZ DtC5UU/UoIhOr+9gS0UFxmpXYg9JwBewPENs0RQR8yhbuGSpAreDnDkzzgB+6kXZ p/DYWkdopcs= =eGxQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri / If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, Sysmonster, Unix Wrangler / get away immediately. Seek shelter Prescient Technologies, Inc. / and cover head. I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC / From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 14 22:13:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA19646 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA07426 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <33F3BBFB.6A73@McLeodUSA.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:16:30 -0500 From: Michael Roeder Reply-To: mroeder@McLeodUSA.com Organization: McLeodUSA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Server References: <01bca83b$089a5480$d34e66cf@wan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.37.188.242 Lines: 30 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!129.37.188.242 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7467 Mark Wan wrote: > > Hi: > > I am writing an app to download a file from a host. The app on the host > side creates a data file, gives me the file name and changes in Kermit > server mode. The tools I am using does not support native Kermit server > commands. I tried to emulate the "get filename" using escape sequences > Esc-c without success. > Thanks > Mark Wan Hi, I am trying to do the same thing with a project I am working on. The "client" side is already developed and I am not in a position to re-engineer it. My goal is to find a way to just monitor a serial port an capture the incoming data. I have the C-Kermit book, but not here with me. I think that I should be able to use Kermit in some fashion to capture incoming data. Any suggestions? I think that Server Mode would work the best since it is able to monitor. My other option appears to be either mgetty on the UNIX port or possible reverse telnet. But, I would rather implement Kermit. Thanks, Mike Roeder From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 08:36:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA03962 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA24691 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:34:57 -0600 From: bandyo@wam.umd.edu Subject: Help: Telnet with C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <871647854.22740@dejanews.com> Organization: Deja News Posting Service X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri Aug 15 12:24:14 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 128.8.23.12 (annex9-12.dial.umd.edu) X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.0 (OS/2; I) X-Authenticated-Sender: bandyo@wam.umd.edu Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7468 I am trying to run a data query / report writer application remotely by telneting to rtk.net which is a menu driven site also accessible through their BBS number. Here is the problem. I can navigate within the menu system fine but inside the application (data query) sooner or later an arrow key stroke acts like as if I have hit escape key and takes me to previous menu, or if at the first menu, then out of the application! If I use C-Kermit to dial directly into the BBS (in stead of Telnet through internet), this problem goes away. I am using vt100 emulation in both telnet and direct dial. What am I doing wrong? Please respond by email, as I don't read this newsgroup often. Thanks in advance. Sushenjit -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 09:36:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12617 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: Telnet with C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Date: 15 Aug 1997 13:36:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5t1m0p$jv7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <871647854.22740@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7469 In article <871647854.22740@dejanews.com>, wrote: : I am trying to run a data query / report writer application remotely by : telneting to rtk.net which is a menu driven site also accessible through : their BBS number. Here is the problem. I can navigate within the menu : system fine but inside the application (data query) sooner or later an : arrow key stroke acts like as if I have hit escape key and takes me to : previous menu, or if at the first menu, then out of the application! : : If I use C-Kermit to dial directly into the BBS (in stead of Telnet : through internet), this problem goes away. I am using vt100 emulation in : both telnet and direct dial. What am I doing wrong? The problem is that the roundtrip time for a packet to be sent and received by the BBS via Telnet is greater than the Escape key detection timeout built into the BBS. This is a poor design architecture for the BBS (and other apps) since the ESC char has very special meaning to a VTxxx or other ANSI x3.64-1979 based terminal. You would have exactly the same problem running a real terminal hooked to a terminal server. Kermit-95 for OS/2 is less susceptible to this symptom than C-Kermit 5a(191) as it tries to force the entire Escape sequence to be sent in a single IP packet. See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html for more information. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 10:12:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18769 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29664 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Server Date: 15 Aug 1997 14:12:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <5t1o42$ku0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bca83b$089a5480$d34e66cf@wan> <33F3BBFB.6A73@McLeodUSA.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7470 In article <33F3BBFB.6A73@McLeodUSA.com>, Michael Roeder wrote: : Mark Wan wrote: : > I am writing an app to download a file from a host. The app on the host : > side creates a data file, gives me the file name and changes in Kermit : > server mode. The tools I am using does not support native Kermit server : > commands. I tried to emulate the "get filename" using escape sequences : > Esc-c without success. : : I am trying to do the same thing with a project I am working on. The : "client" side is already developed and I am not in a position to : re-engineer it. My goal is to find a way to just monitor a serial port : an capture the incoming data. I have the C-Kermit book, but not here : with me. I think that I should be able to use Kermit in some fashion to : capture incoming data. Any suggestions? I think that Server Mode would : work the best since it is able to monitor. : : My other option appears to be either mgetty on the UNIX port or possible : reverse telnet. But, I would rather implement Kermit. : Who wouldn't? :-) Well, that's a rather vague statement of requirements. Depending on what is coming in from the other side, you have many choices: 1. A script to monitor incoming material and to take appropriate actions depending on what it is (hint: use the MINPUT command). 2. A simple session log, which just records everything that comes in. 3. Kermit server mode, but this means the thing on the other end of the connection has to be a Kermit client (SEND, GET, etc). 4. Various combinations of 1-3. There are examples of all these techniques in the book. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 14:04:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA05912 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12049 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.clark.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSVIBM.VT: Terminal Emulator Technical Summary Date: 15 Aug 1997 18:04:13 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 12 Message-ID: <5t25mt$oje$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) NNTP-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu To: kermit-support@columbia.edu (Kermit Support) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7471 MSVIBM.VT is the excellent "MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Terminal Emulator Technical Summary". I know of two versions: 1) 1993 June 9, available at: ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/a/msvibm.vt 2) 1994 June 12, with D470 ANSI mode additions and other changes. I don't know where it came from. Could kermit/a/msvibm.vt be updated, at least to the 1994 version? Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 15:09:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA18718 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15223 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSVIBM.VT: Terminal Emulator Technical Summary Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:09:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5t29gj$7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5t25mt$oje$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7472 In article <5t25mt$oje$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Daniel S. Lewart wrote: : MSVIBM.VT is the excellent "MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Terminal Emulator : Technical Summary". I know of two versions: : 1) 1993 June 9, available at: : ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/a/msvibm.vt : 2) 1994 June 12, with D470 ANSI mode additions and other changes. : I don't know where it came from. : : Could kermit/a/msvibm.vt be updated, at least to the 1994 version? : Done. Thanks for noticing the discrepancy. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 16:38:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08490 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!hrbicf!mts From: mts@icf.hrb.com (Mark T. Shirey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Turn off error detection? Message-ID: <1997Aug15.161848.25354@hrbicf> Date: 15 Aug 97 16:18:48 EST Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7474 We want to send a 10KByte JPEG image file over a 2400 baud half-duplex satellite channel with a high bit error rate (1-in-1000). We want speed and will sacrifice image quality. Is there a graphics file format (that xv or ImageMagick can handle) that can suffer missing or corrupted bytes and still be a viewable image? (I'll also ask this question in a more appropriate venue if I can find one.) Can C-Kermit be told to turn off all error checking? Like "SET BLOCK-CHECK 0"? Or is BLOCK-CHECK 1 sufficiently lenient on, say, 8K packets to have very few retries even in a noisy environment? Mark Shirey mts@hrb.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 17:42:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20873 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23233 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit cyclic error problem Message-ID: Date: 14 Aug 97 14:06:13 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7475 In article , Bruce Cook writes: > I have a link between a Winnt4.0SP5 machine with Kermit-95v1.1.12 16550A > and a DOS machine with MSkermit-3.15 16450. > > The link is running a 115200, 32 windows, 360 byte packets, block=3. 32 * 360 = 11.5KB of packet buffer space. Try 4 window slots; more is not helping at all because the line delay is still short. Most importantly, ensure hardware flow control is active across the entire link, because I strongly suspect the modem link plus serial port buffering within NT is dropping bytes from overflow. For others reading along, sliding windows says how many packets are allowed to be transmitted before an ACK for the oldest arrives. The time for that ACK to arrive is primarily transmission path delay plus some delay in the receiving host. It would be an unusual path needing or even using as many as 8 packet slots, unless those packets were tiny (a bad idea). Going across the country on a decent Internet link (25KByte/sec rate, not using modems) uses a max of 6 packet slots in my experiments, and the faster the link the more packets go out to soak up the delay time (or, equivalently, to keep the transmit wire full). Your modem link is NOT running at 115Kbps. The connection between your modem and the computer might, but the telephone company wiring makes the data flow at very much slower rates. 33Kbits/sec (say 4KBytes/sec) is doing well for modems. And there resides the imperative to provide hardware flow control, to avoid overrunning the slow part of the system. Joe D. > > When receiveing, I get an error every n packets where n is the number > of windows. (I've adjusted windows from 4 to 32). This is giving > me an obvious throughput problem at 4 windows (25% error rate). > > The packet size is so low, because of the line reliability, which > realy suprises me. Speed doesn't realy make much difference. > > The msk315 client is showing n of 32 windows, and every time n reaches > 32, a retry happens, and n is reset back to 1. This cycle happens > no matter how many windows I have set up, obviously 32 windows gives > me a lower error percentage. > > Anyone got any ideas as to what's going on ? > > > -- > ...BRU > > Bruce Cook, Synonet Corp. > E-Mail: bcook@wantree.com.au > Phone: +061 15 999 330 > > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 18:00:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23409 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24065 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit cyclic error problem Date: 15 Aug 1997 22:00:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5t2jha$58d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7476 In article , Joe Doupnik wrote: : In article , : Bruce Cook writes: : > I have a link between a Winnt4.0SP5 machine with Kermit-95v1.1.12 16550A : > and a DOS machine with MSkermit-3.15 16450. : > The link is running a 115200, 32 windows, 360 byte packets, block=3. : : ... Most importantly, ensure hardware flow : control is active across the entire link, because I strongly suspect : the modem link plus serial port buffering within NT is dropping bytes : from overflow. : Another likely culprit is the 16450 on the PC -- that's an UN-buffered UART (it's just a 16-bit 8250, no?) You really can not run an unbuffered UART at 115200 bps. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 18:10:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25103 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24552 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:10:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.49.14.4!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSVIBM.VT: Terminal Emulator Technical Summary Message-ID: Date: 15 Aug 97 14:34:16 MDT References: <5t25mt$oje$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7477 In article <5t25mt$oje$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > MSVIBM.VT is the excellent "MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Terminal Emulator > Technical Summary". I know of two versions: > 1) 1993 June 9, available at: > ftp://ftp.columbia.edu/kermit/a/msvibm.vt > 2) 1994 June 12, with D470 ANSI mode additions and other changes. > I don't know where it came from. > > Could kermit/a/msvibm.vt be updated, at least to the 1994 version? > > Thank you, > Daniel Lewart > d-lewart@uiuc.edu ------- Yes, to the 1997 version when we issue MSK 3.15. They originate at my keyboard and are issued by Columbia as part of the MS-DOS Kermit package. Thanks for the reminder, Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 15 18:28:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA27900 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25441 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Turn off error detection? Date: 15 Aug 1997 22:28:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-ID: <5t2l6j$5vi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1997Aug15.161848.25354@hrbicf> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7478 In article <1997Aug15.161848.25354@hrbicf>, Mark T. Shirey wrote: : We want to send a 10KByte JPEG image file over a 2400 baud half-duplex : satellite channel with a high bit error rate (1-in-1000). : : We want speed and will sacrifice image quality. : : Is there a graphics file format (that xv or ImageMagick can handle) : that can suffer missing or corrupted bytes and still be a viewable image? : (I'll also ask this question in a more appropriate venue if I can find one.) : : Can C-Kermit be told to turn off all error checking? : No. : Or is BLOCK-CHECK 1 sufficiently lenient on, say, 8K packets : to have very few retries even in a noisy environment? : Not really. But I don't think that's what matters. What you really want to do is achieve streaming and minimize retransmissions. To minimize retransmissions, pick a small packet length, thus reducing the chance that any particular packet will be corrupted and, if it is, the amount of time needed to retransmit. At the same time, you want to minimize the turnaound delay between ACKs and NAKs. Let's assume you are transferring from earth to earth through the satellite. The satellite is what, 20,000 miles high? So a signal passes from earth to the satellite in 0.1 second, and back to earth in another 0.1 second, for a total of 0.2 seconds. A reply would take another 0.2 seconds. The bit error rate is 1/1000, which translates to 1 byte out of 100. So if your packet length is 100 or greater, chances are that every single one will be damaged. So try setting the Kermit packet length to half that, or 50. Now set the window size to (say) 30. So a windowful of packets will carry about 1500 bytes of data, and this will take 1500 / 240 = 6.25 seconds from end to end. So the first data packet arrives 50 / 240 + 0.2 = 0.4 seconds after it was sent, and the reply comes back about 0.2 seconds later, so even when a retransmission is requested, there is very little chance the window will fill up, and thus the sender should be able send continuously. BUT with a packet length of 50, probably half the packets will need to be retransmitted, and then half the retransmitted ones will need to be retransmitted again, and so on. So maybe a shorter packet would give better results. I'll leave it to you to do the math and/or experimentation. The tradeoffs are: . The shorter the packet, the greater the ratio of protocol overhead to actual data. . The longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be damaged and the more time it will take to retransmit. So it's like a linear programming problem with a little Monte Carlo thrown in. Some choice of packet length will maximize the troughput for this particular connection (with its speed, delay, and noise characteristics). By the way, C-Kermit 6.0.192 tries its best to handle this sort of situation automatically, by dynamically adjusting the packet length to achieve the best throughput for the connection. It would be intersesting to turn it loose on this one! Finally, note that if your image data contains lots of repeated bytes (bytes, not bits), Kermit might compress it enough to make a surprising difference. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 16 01:40:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28729 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA15405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news-ext.gatech.edu!gatech!purdue!oitnews.harvard.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!honeysuckle!rochester!cornellcs!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!kimoto From: kimoto@spacenet.tn.cornell.edu (Paul Kimoto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Installation Date: 16 Aug 1997 02:31:50 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 26 Sender: pk14@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <33F3574E.7EBF@erols.com> Reply-To: kimoto@spacenet.tn.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: naked.tn.cornell.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.3 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7480 In article <33F3574E.7EBF@erols.com>, ajam wrote: > (The OS that I am using is Red Hat Linux >Release 4.1, which uses the Linux Kernel 2.0.27). Well, then I tried to >compile it using "make linux", as stated in the "makefile", but during >the compilation it says that it cannot find some (ncurses) functions >like "printw" and "wmove". The "makefile" stated that one shall make a >soft link from "ncurses.h" to "curses.h", and it is there. It sounds like the compilation fails at the link stage, that is, when the command looks like "gcc -o wermit -lcurses <-l>". This requires a file (or, more likely, a symbolic link leading to a real file) named "libcurses.so" in a "standard" place, such as /lib or /usr/lib. Since you are presumably using ncurses (the correct procedure on Linux systems), the file is probably called "libncurses.so". Then either (1) change the makefile to refer to "-lncurses" instead of "-lcurses", or (2) add a symbolic link from "libcurses.so" to "libncurses.so" in the appropriate directory. -- ||| "It was not granted you to complete the task, and ||| ||| yet you may not give it up." --Rabbi Tarfon ||| | Paul Kimoto | | Dept. of Physics, Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853-2501 USA | From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 16 02:35:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA09178 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA16715 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter1!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!u3.farm.idt.net!tmalloy From: Tom Malloy Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: installing kermit Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:24:05 -0400 Organization: IDT Lines: 7 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: u3.farm.idt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: tmalloy@u3.farm.idt.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7481 My provider does not have, or plan to install, kermit. Which files do need to install Ckermit on a bsdi system? Do I need to compile it? Also is it possible to log the usage of kermit so that I can show the sys admin that it is being used and thereby prompt him to put it in system space and not my own. Thank you, Tom From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 16 10:53:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05153 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11851 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: installing kermit Date: 16 Aug 1997 14:53:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <5t4esm$1hk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7482 In article , Tom Malloy wrote: : My provider does not have, or plan to install, kermit. : Why not? Aren't business people supposed to try to please their customers? If not, how do they stay in business? : Which files do need to install Ckermit on a bsdi system? Do I need to : compile it? : No, we have a prebuilt binary for BSDI 2.1. So you don't even have to depend on your provider to provide a C compiler. The bare minimum is just the binary: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckuker.bsdi-2.1 The accompanying text files (initialization files, installation instructions, hints and tips, etc) are in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192txt.zip (or tar.Z or tar.gz) Of course you can compile it if you want to. The source code is in: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192src.tar.{gz,Z} Uncompress, untar, "make bsdi". : Also is it possible to log the usage of kermit so that I can show the sys : admin that it is being used and thereby prompt him to put it in system : space and not my own. : Kermit can produce all sorts of logs, but probably not the kind you are thinking about (some kind of centralized log, like wtmp?). For example, it can keep a log of all the files it transfers. But it's not automatic -- the user has to request it with the "log transactions append" command, and it's a separate log for each user, and it's also a new file unless the "append" keyword is included. Even then, the results are unpredictable if more than one user has the same logfile open at once. And then how would we ensure that logging was always done? You could put this command into the initialization file, but the initialization file is in the user's home directory, so you'd need to get every user to cooperate. And where would you put the log, and against whom would it be charged? Or you could have a system-wide initialization file, but then you'd need to the sysadmin to install for you and that's the problem you're trying to solve in the first place. I'd be interested to know why the provider refuses to install it in the first place. Exactly what kind of misapprehension causes this attitude? Maybe they are just trying to discourage use of shell accounts? What other applications do they refuse to install? In the meantime, I'll think a little more about the logging issue. But note: even if Kermit did create wtmp entries, you'd probably need the sysadmin to set this up for you, since at the very least, the sysadmin has to manage the log. And finally, exactly what should be recorded in a central log? This might raise some serious privacy issues... - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 16 15:03:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15228 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24148 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.238.120.130!jump.net!grunt.dejanews.com!not-for-mail Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:01:26 -0600 From: ttsg@ttsg.com Subject: How do I start ckepage.ksc from command line Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <871757417.12783@dejanews.com> Organization: The Telecom Security Group X-Article-Creation-Date: Sat Aug 16 18:50:18 1997 GMT X-Originating-IP-Addr: 204.141.98.110 () X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.30 i586) X-Authenticated-Sender: ttsg@ttsg.com Lines: 11 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7483 Hi, I'm wondering now that I got the ckepage.ksc script working, how can I start it from a command line and include all the parameters for apage? I want to have a shell or perl script invoke it and just wait for the reply if it was good or bad. Thanks, Tuc -------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====----------------------- http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Post to Usenet From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 16 15:17:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA17066 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA24862 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do I start ckepage.ksc from command line Date: 16 Aug 1997 19:17:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5t4uc7$8a0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <871757417.12783@dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7484 In article <871757417.12783@dejanews.com>, wrote: : I'm wondering now that I got the ckepage.ksc script working, how can I : start it from a command line and include all the parameters for apage? I : want to have a shell or perl script invoke it and just wait for the reply : if it was good or bad. : See pages 353, 467-468, and 513 of "Using C-Kermit". Briefly, make the script into an "application" or "shebang" file, and read the command line arguments from the \&@[] array. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 16 16:02:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA24817 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27100 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 24 Date: 16 Aug 1997 20:02:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5t5103$9cl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7485 Unless additional problems are noted, this should be the final MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta. Its Beta number is 24. The two changes since Beta 23 are: 1. Correction of a problem in which host-initiated printing would not stop if the termination sequence started with or . 2. Under certain rare circumstances, MS-DOS Kermit could send an overlong data packet. Beta 24 is in the usual place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip As with the previous Betas, download this one into your regular MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 directory and unzip it. It makes MSK315.EXE and MSK315.DOC files which do not conflict with your current installation. To test, just run MSK315 instead of KERMIT. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Thanks, as always, to Joe D! - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 17 03:40:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03224 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 03:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA28098 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 03:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.misty.com!www.nntp.primenet.com!globalcenter0!news.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.48.96.125!in3.uu.net!208.195.156.10!news.walltech.com!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@13.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Turn off error detection? Date: 17 Aug 1997 06:03:06 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5t646q$j04$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <1997Aug15.161848.25354@hrbicf> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7486 Mark T. Shirey (mts@icf.hrb.com) wrote: : We want to send a 10KByte JPEG image file over a 2400 baud half-duplex : satellite channel with a high bit error rate (1-in-1000). : We want speed and will sacrifice image quality. : Is there a graphics file format (that xv or ImageMagick can handle) : that can suffer missing or corrupted bytes and still be a viewable image? : (I'll also ask this question in a more appropriate venue if I can find one.) I have had damaged GIF files that gave a warning in LView, and, when displayed, show some anomaly, like a red line, or something. As far as non-error checking, I don't think you can turn off Kermit, but there is a non-checking protocol in the XYZmodem family. I think it is Ymodem, that provides no error checking, relying on a clean link, instead. This might be what you want. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 17 08:27:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA27970 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA13030 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.220.6!earth.superlink.net!not-for-mail From: TTSG Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do I start ckepage.ksc from command line Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 08:17:40 -0400 Organization: TTSG Lines: 62 Sender: (@8.#9Z7:]_0 @tucsapt.superlink.net Message-ID: <33F6EBE4.31AECA6E@ttsg.com> References: <871757417.12783@dejanews.com> <5t4uc7$8a0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tucsapt.superlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) To: Frank da Cruz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7487 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <871757417.12783@dejanews.com>, wrote: > : I'm wondering now that I got the ckepage.ksc script working, how can I > : start it from a command line and include all the parameters for apage? I > : want to have a shell or perl script invoke it and just wait for the reply > : if it was good or bad. > : > See pages 353, 467-468, and 513 of "Using C-Kermit". Briefly, make the > script into an "application" or "shebang" file, and read the command line > arguments from the \&@[] array. > > - Frank Frank, Thanks for the quick and helpful reply! Having the pages to go directly to is great. One word though, the script at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckepage.ksc Is broken. It drove me nuts for almost 2 hours until I got enough debugging in it. What happened was I would get the ACK for the ESC-PG1, then it would stay in the loop and keep claiming timeouts. When I looked at it, I realized it couldn't work.... How did it ever get out of the for loop!? THERE IS A "BREAK" MISSING! for \%i 1 3 1 { ; Send PG1, get msl 500 out \{27}PG1\13 min 3 {\6\13} {\21\13} {\27\4\13} switch \v(minput) { :0, continue ; Timeout :1, break ; :2, continue ; :3, stop 1 Forced disconnect ; Fatal error } } SHOULD BE : for \%i 1 3 1 { ; Send PG1, get msl 500 out \{27}PG1\13 min 3 {\6\13} {\21\13} {\27\4\13} switch \v(minput) { :0, continue ; Timeout :1, break ; :2, continue ; :3, stop 1 Forced disconnect ; Fatal error } break } Can you see if it can be fixed?? Thanks, Tuc/TTSG From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 17 11:06:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18975 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20920 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do I start ckepage.ksc from command line Date: 17 Aug 1997 15:05:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <5t740n$aas$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <871757417.12783@dejanews.com> <5t4uc7$8a0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <33F6EBE4.31AECA6E@ttsg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7488 In article <33F6EBE4.31AECA6E@ttsg.com>, TTSG wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : > In article <871757417.12783@dejanews.com>, wrote: : > : I'm wondering now that I got the ckepage.ksc script working, how can I : > : start it from a command line and include all the parameters for apage? : > : I want to have a shell or perl script invoke it and just wait for the : > : reply if it was good or bad. : > : : > See pages 353, 467-468, and 513 of "Using C-Kermit". Briefly, make the : > script into an "application" or "shebang" file, and read the command line : > arguments from the \&@[] array. : > : > - Frank : : Thanks for the quick and helpful reply! Having the pages to go directly : to is great. One word though, the script at: : : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckepage.ksc : : Is broken. It drove me nuts for almost 2 hours until I got enough : debugging in it. What happened was I would get the ACK for the ESC-PG1, : then it would stay in the loop and keep claiming timeouts. When I : looked at it, I realized it couldn't work.... How did it ever get out of : the for loop!? : : THERE IS A "BREAK" MISSING! : : for \%i 1 3 1 { ; Send PG1, get : msl 500 : out \{27}PG1\13 : min 3 {\6\13} {\21\13} {\27\4\13} : switch \v(minput) { : :0, continue ; Timeout : :1, break ; : :2, continue ; : :3, stop 1 Forced disconnect ; Fatal error : } : } : : SHOULD BE : : : for \%i 1 3 1 { ; Send PG1, get : msl 500 : out \{27}PG1\13 : min 3 {\6\13} {\21\13} {\27\4\13} : switch \v(minput) { : :0, continue ; Timeout : :1, break ; : :2, continue ; : :3, stop 1 Forced disconnect ; Fatal error : } : break : } : You're right. I stuck this section of code into a loop a couple weeks ago when I discovered a paging service that needed it (contrary to the wording of the TAP specification) -- it lost characters galore and so tended to miss the PG1 reply, and so would need to see it again (and again). Tests worked, of course :-) Sorry for the confusion, updated script in the normal place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckepage.ksc - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 17 16:45:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12032 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08001 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 23 References: <5s5jmm$7bj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: access Computer Systems From: jnemeth@news.access.victoria.bc.ca (John Nemeth) NNTP-Posting-Host: news.access.victoria.bc.ca Message-ID: <33f3ceb2.0@news.pinc.com> Date: 15 Aug 97 03:36:18 GMT Lines: 5 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.bctel.net!news.pinc.com!jnemeth Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7489 In article <5s5jmm$7bj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> cmg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Christine Gianone) writes: > >Here is the next Beta (23) of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. The two changes are: Any idea when we will see the release version? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 17 16:54:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13035 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08418 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 23 Date: 17 Aug 1997 20:54:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5t7oev$ir0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5s5jmm$7bj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <33f3ceb2.0@news.pinc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7490 In article <33f3ceb2.0@news.pinc.com>, John Nemeth wrote: : In article <5s5jmm$7bj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : cmg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Christine Gianone) writes: : >Here is the next Beta (23) of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. The two changes are: : : Any idea when we will see the release version? : Let's see how Beta 24 goes. One step at time. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 04:07:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA18036 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA09845 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!enews.sgi.com!news.sgi.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ulowell.uml.edu!umassd.edu!umass.edu!amhnt2.amherst.edu!abby.unix.amherst.edu!jwmanly From: jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Earliest DOS for Kermit 3.15? Date: 17 Aug 97 23:26:46 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 15 Message-ID: <33f788b6.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: amhnt2.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7491 Hi there. Two questions for Masters Of Kermit: 1) Will the final release of Kermit 3.15 include the Kerlite and Kermite versions? In particular, I'm hoping for the Kerlite version to provide a lightweight, functional terminal emulator for use on old PCs, like IBM model 25's or even (gasp) the old dual-drive PC Portables. 2) Will Kerlite (either the 3.15 version, or if one isn't planned, the 3.14 version) run on such old hardware, and in particular, what is the earliest version of MS-DOS on which it will run? Thanks in advance. - John W. Manly From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 08:11:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA01208 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA11044 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 08:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey01.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kmartin644@aol.com (KMartin644) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and APL Date: 18 Aug 1997 12:11:20 GMT Lines: 1 Message-ID: <19970818121101.IAA19086@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder01.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL Bertelsmann Online GmbH & Co. KG http://www.germany.aol.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7492 Hi there, I want to use Kermit with the APL- Character set. ... But I don´t know how. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for the help. Sincerly (K.J. Martin) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 11:13:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00140 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20424 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Earliest DOS for Kermit 3.15? Date: 18 Aug 1997 15:12:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5t9opl$9mm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33f788b6.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7494 In article <33f788b6.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, John W. Manly wrote: : Hi there. Two questions for Masters Of Kermit: : : 1) Will the final release of Kermit 3.15 include the Kerlite and Kermite : versions? : Yes. : In particular, I'm hoping for the Kerlite version to provide a : lightweight, functional terminal emulator for use on old PCs... : You mean "Kermite". KERLITE.EXE doesn't have a terminal emulator -- that's why it's so light :-) : like IBM model 25's or even (gasp) the old dual-drive PC Portables. : KERMITE.EXE should work fine on them. : 2) Will Kerlite (either the 3.15 version, or if one isn't planned, the : 3.14 version) run on such old hardware, and in particular, what is the : earliest version of MS-DOS on which it will run? : It should run on the very first IBM PC off the production line, provided you have upgraded its DOS version to at least 2.0. (Actually I can't swear that it won't run under DOS 1.x, but we don't claim that it does.) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 11:15:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01029 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 11:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and APL Date: 18 Aug 1997 15:15:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5t9ovd$9q0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19970818121101.IAA19086@ladder01.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7495 In article <19970818121101.IAA19086@ladder01.news.aol.com>, KMartin644 wrote: : I want to use Kermit with the APL- Character set. ... : None of our Kermit programs support APL characters explicitly, but that does not necessarily mean you can't use them. In MS-DOS Kermit, for example, all you need to do is find a PC font for APL and load it (like we already do for Cyrillic, Hebrew, etc), and then set up the translations between the host encoding and the font encoding (lots of SET TRANSLATE INPUT commands), and then create a keyboard map (lots of SET KEY commands). The only restrictions are that the size of character set may not exceed 256, and there can be no composition of characters (overstriking). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 13:24:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25823 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26915 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Earliest DOS for Kermit 3.15? Message-ID: <1xdFNgQTmrVp@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Aug 97 10:36:36 MDT References: <33f788b6.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> <5t9opl$9mm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7496 In article <5t9opl$9mm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <33f788b6.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, > John W. Manly wrote: > : Hi there. Two questions for Masters Of Kermit: > : > : 1) Will the final release of Kermit 3.15 include the Kerlite and Kermite > : versions? > : > Yes. > > : In particular, I'm hoping for the Kerlite version to provide a > : lightweight, functional terminal emulator for use on old PCs... > : > You mean "Kermite". KERLITE.EXE doesn't have a terminal emulator -- that's > why it's so light :-) > > : like IBM model 25's or even (gasp) the old dual-drive PC Portables. > : > KERMITE.EXE should work fine on them. > > : 2) Will Kerlite (either the 3.15 version, or if one isn't planned, the > : 3.14 version) run on such old hardware, and in particular, what is the > : earliest version of MS-DOS on which it will run? > : > It should run on the very first IBM PC off the production line, provided > you have upgraded its DOS version to at least 2.0. (Actually I can't swear > that it won't run under DOS 1.x, but we don't claim that it does.) > > - Frank -------- Opps, our secrets are showing. MSK requires DOS 2.0 or above because it needs the function calls absent from DOS 1.0. But it tells you this if it is started under DOS 1.x. DOS 3.30 is a good minimum, if you can find it. For those new to the game, DOS 1.x lacks the notion of subdirectories, amongst other things. The reduced size editions of MSK will be available with the main release, once we complete the beta process on the latter. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 13:51:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA02246 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28258 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!amcarey.demon.co.uk!andi From: Andi Carey Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit FAQ ? Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:38:28 +0100 Organization: Ye ancient and fecrete order of Mugfish Distribution: world Message-ID: Reply-To: Andi Carey NNTP-Posting-Host: amcarey.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: amcarey.demon.co.uk [194.222.165.218] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.04 Lines: 10 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7497 I have used Kermit (mainly 2.19 IIRC) for many years in my job just for transferring files to & from the CNC machines that I service. I have recently found Kermit 3.15 and wondered if there is a FAQ or some kind of write-up about it anywhere ? -- ___________________________________________________________ /\__/\ / Andi Carey, To Reply, replace 'nospam' with 'amcarey' \ /(o)(o)\ / Grease monkey, Fly eater, Mouse charmer, pathological liar \ ===(..)=== \ tweaker of the tweakable, considerably bigger than a rabbit / \'.--.'/ \_____________http://www.amcarey.demon.co.uk________________/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 13:56:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03147 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28512 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Earliest DOS for Kermit 3.15? Date: 18 Aug 1997 17:56:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <5ta2c8$egd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33f788b6.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu> <5t9opl$9mm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1xdFNgQTmrVp@cc.usu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7498 In article <1xdFNgQTmrVp@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: : In article <5t9opl$9mm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > In article <33f788b6.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>, : > John W. Manly wrote: : > : Hi there. Two questions for Masters Of Kermit: : > : : > : 1) Will the final release of Kermit 3.15 include the Kerlite and Kermite : > : versions? : > : : > Yes. : > : > : In particular, I'm hoping for the Kerlite version to provide a : > : lightweight, functional terminal emulator for use on old PCs... : > : : > You mean "Kermite". KERLITE.EXE doesn't have a terminal emulator -- that's : > why it's so light :-) : > : > : like IBM model 25's or even (gasp) the old dual-drive PC Portables. : > : : > KERMITE.EXE should work fine on them. : > : > : 2) Will Kerlite (either the 3.15 version, or if one isn't planned, the : > : 3.14 version) run on such old hardware, and in particular, what is the : > : earliest version of MS-DOS on which it will run? : > : : > It should run on the very first IBM PC off the production line, provided : > you have upgraded its DOS version to at least 2.0. (Actually I can't swear : > that it won't run under DOS 1.x, but we don't claim that it does.) : > : > - Frank : : Opps, our secrets are showing. MSK requires DOS 2.0 or above because : it needs the function calls absent from DOS 1.0. But it tells you this if it : is started under DOS 1.x. DOS 3.30 is a good minimum, if you can find it. : For those new to the game, DOS 1.x lacks the notion of subdirectories, : amongst other things. The reduced size editions of MSK will be available : with the main release, once we complete the beta process on the latter. : Joe D. : I should also have qualified the above by saying that the PC must have sufficient memory to load the program (on top of DOS and other items that take up PC memory) -- probably around 200K free needed for KERMITE.EXE, but it remains to be seen -- and you'll need some kind of disk drive unless you know what you are doing, and of course some kind of communication device too. So don't expect MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to run on a 16K cassette-only system :-) Yes, DOS 3.30 is a good minimum, especially for users of non-English text (or, at least, non-CP437 text) since this was the first DOS version that supported code-page switching. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 13:58:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03467 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28670 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 13:58:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit FAQ ? Date: 18 Aug 1997 17:58:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 74 Message-ID: <5ta2gb$ehv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7499 In article , Andi Carey wrote: : I have used Kermit (mainly 2.19 IIRC) for many years in my job just for : transferring files to & from the CNC machines that I service. : 2.19 IIRC is a new one on me. Where is it from? : I have : recently found Kermit 3.15 and wondered if there is a FAQ or some kind : of write-up about it anywhere ? : There is a published manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $39.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $39.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $50 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +44 1865 314627 (Oxford, England distribution centre for UK & Europe) +61 03 9245 7111 (Melbourne, Vic, office for Australia & NZ) +65 356-1968 (Singapore office for Asia) +27 (31) 2683111 (Durban office for South Africa) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 52-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The French version is also available from Columbia University: $39.95. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, "MS-Kermit Nyumon", Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. Publisher's address: Abe-toku Building, 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101, Japan. Tel. +81-3-3256-1091. Price 1,800 Yen + tax. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. The Digital Press version corresponds to MS-DOS Kermit 3.11; update notes are included on the diskette. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 20:59:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16354 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA22604 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.117.161.1!csn!nntp-xfer-1.csn.net!csn!nntp-xfer-2.csn.net!yuma!holly.ColoState.EDU!not-for-mail From: Andrea Beam Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can't access modem after nohup and shell exit? Date: 18 Aug 1997 12:43:41 -0600 Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 45 Message-ID: <5ta54t$2p1o@holly.ColoState.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: holly.acns.colostate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970406; AIX 4.2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7500 I have the following: test_page.sh -- #!/bin/sh sleep 10 ./pager.kerm pager.kerm -- #!/usr/local/bin/kermit set parity none set modem hst-courier set terminal echo remote set handshake none set flow xon/xoff set line /dev/cua/a out AT\13 if fail stop 1 Can't get modem's attention out ATDT[number deleted],,,,,,,12345##;\13 pause 30 hangup exit when I run nohup test_page.sh & and stay logged in, the modem dials and sends the page and hangs up and exits. However, when I run nohup test_page.sh & and logout right away (during the sleep), no modem activity commences. This happens for both C-Kermit 5A(188), 23 Nov 92, Solaris 2.0 and C-Kermit 6.0.192 Release Candidate 1, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x Any help would be GREAT! thanks.... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 18 22:08:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA24803 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA27027 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.49.14.4!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MUMPS and Kermit Message-ID: Date: 18 Aug 97 19:12:01 MDT References: <01bcac22$96ccc900$b02f74cf@AT&T> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7501 In article <01bcac22$96ccc900$b02f74cf@AT&T>, "Carl Frey" writes: > Does anyone know of a product that will run under MUMPS and support Kermit > file transfer protocol? > > I know, I know. MUMPS was thought to be dead and buried, but I have just > signed up a new customer that runs a medical package ("Medics II") on an > IBM/PC, which, runs the MUMPS O/S. All the users are on IBM 3101 "dumb" > terminals emulating VT100s.. > > We are trying to get a PC running Windows 95 to pretend that its a VT100. > Easy enough you say, just use BLAST you say. Okay I Say. But, what do you > do about file transfer? > > Apparently, when they (my customer) wants to transmit invoices to the > providers (like Medicare), they need to shut down the MUMPS O/S, boot DOS > and send the file over the modem using ProComm. > > If we had a PC that could receive the billing file from MUMPS and then > transfer it, we could lift these people out of the self-induced coma caused > by uploading their billing. > > Thanks for any help. > -- > Carl > Carl-Frey@WorldNet.ATT.NET ----------- Can't tell you about MUMPS (Frank can, however), but for Win95 you have two (2) choices of good terminal emulation with file transfer. They are Kermit95 (commercial) and MS-DOS Kermit (free). Depending on what your environment is, one or both may be suitable. Certainly the worst terminal emulator of recent years is the MS Windows Terminal thingy. Please contact Frank da Cruz, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu, for details and maybe even an inspection copy of both. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 19 11:44:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16047 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07728 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!eerie.fr!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: echo command works differently between 3.14 and 3.15 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:40:48 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 40 Message-ID: <33f9b133.266082@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parb03.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7503 Hello from France. I apologize for my wrong English. I hope you understand me. I think there is a problem with echo command within a take file between MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.15 beta 21 With MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 both the macro Disp and the echo command will display "Yes" in green (With ANSI.SYS loaded). With MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 only the macro Disp displays "Yes" in green. Echo command displays the contents of macro's Ge and No. ANSI escape sequences are not correctly executed when these sequences are within a macro inside an echo command. (See macro and commands hereunder) ; Displays White on Blue assign No \27[0;1;37;44m ; Displays Green on Blue assign Ge \27[0;1;32;44m assign Disp echo {From Macro Disp : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} Disp echo {From Echo Command : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} Is it a bug or a new feature of 3.15 version ? I am not able to find any explanations in the MSK315.DOC file. If it is a new feature, it will be very hard to move my applications under version 3.15 because there are many commands like : echo {\27[\m(Line);\m(Column)H\m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} to put a green "Yes" on defined screen areas Nevertheless I am very interested by version 3.15 with local variables, declare arrays, minput, switch, \Feval(), for, while, xif, if else and other improvements. Best regards, == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 19 12:13:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21458 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:13:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09201 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MUMPS and Kermit Date: 19 Aug 1997 16:13:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-ID: <5tcgn4$mle$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcac22$96ccc900$b02f74cf@AT&T> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7504 In article <01bcac22$96ccc900$b02f74cf@AT&T>, "Carl Frey" writes: > Does anyone know of a product that will run under MUMPS and support Kermit > file transfer protocol? > > I know, I know. MUMPS was thought to be dead and buried, but I have just > signed up a new customer that runs a medical package ("Medics II") on an > IBM/PC, which, runs the MUMPS O/S. All the users are on IBM 3101 "dumb" > terminals emulating VT100s.. > You mean, MUMPS is the native OS on the PC, or it's running under some other OS like DOS or Windows or OS/2 or UNIX? > We are trying to get a PC running Windows 95 to pretend that its a VT100. > Easy enough you say, just use BLAST you say. Okay I Say. But, what do you > do about file transfer? > > Apparently, when they (my customer) wants to transmit invoices to the > providers (like Medicare), they need to shut down the MUMPS O/S, boot DOS > and send the file over the modem using ProComm. > Obviously we don't support BLAST or Procomm here -- they are not our products and we have our own instead: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Our PC versions emulate the VT100 (and many other terminals), offer serial as well as network connection, and include Kermit and sometimes other file transfer methods, as well as full scripting capability. > If we had a PC that could receive the billing file from MUMPS and then > transfer it, we could lift these people out of the self-induced coma caused > by uploading their billing. > One solution would be a MUMPS version of Kermit. We do have such a thing, although to my knowledge nobody has looked at it or used in quite some time. It was written in Digital Standard MUMPS-1982 for the PDP-11 MUMPS operating system, and will no doubt require some dusting off and refitting to work on your PC-based MUMPS system (see especially the notes in mpker.bwr). You can find MUMPS Kermit at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/b/mp*.* If you make any progress with it, let us know. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 19 12:50:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29097 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11028 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.20.0.14!vncnews!newsfeed2.vnc.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@88.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MUMPS and Kermit Date: 19 Aug 1997 16:37:52 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5tci50$ho4$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <01bcac22$96ccc900$b02f74cf@AT&T> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7505 Carl Frey (Carl-Frey@Worldnet.att.net) wrote: : Apparently, when they (my customer) wants to transmit invoices to the : providers (like Medicare), they need to shut down the MUMPS O/S, boot DOS : and send the file over the modem using ProComm. What about using Kermit "Log Session" to capture a printout? If you can "print" the invoices to a serial printer, you could configure Kermit to act as the serial printer, and capture the text. That might be suitable as is, or you might need some filtering program to adjust the output as needed. Interfacing to closed systems that don't want to talk to the rest of the world is one of the strongest points for Kermit. I take "print jobs" from other systems via kermit, parse them on a Unix box using awk, and automate several tasks that used to be a matter of printing from the old system and rekeying on the new system. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 19 12:57:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29993 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11467 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.220.6!earth.superlink.net!not-for-mail From: TTSG Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "shebang" help Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:52:39 -0400 Organization: TTSG Lines: 51 Sender: (&%KEY*C.&3X @tucsapt.superlink.net Message-ID: <33F9CF57.740BF0D6@ttsg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: tucsapt.superlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7506 I'm trying to create a script that just dials a telephone number and when its done exits (NO, THIS ISNT A PRANK DIALER! I want to set email up that when I receive a message, it'll just dial my phone to let me know I have email) SO: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit set modem type hayes-high-speed ; I have an Accura modem set port /dev/tty16 ; on tty16 (AIX) set speed 2400 ; Arbitrary set parity even ; More Arb set flow xon/xoff ; Ok, so I copied this set modem flow none ; from ckepage.ksc set dial retries 1 ; Allow 10 redials dial 19145551212 ; Call my home phone end ; Lemme out Problem is, I get : Removing stale lock /etc/locks/LCK..tty16 (pid 15509 terminated) Trying: 18005966882... Device: /dev/tty16, modem: hayes-high-speed, speed: 2400 Dial timeout: 46 seconds To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired. C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2 Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Default file-transfer mode is TEXT Type ? or HELP for help. [/home/tuc] C-Kermit> and then stays there. I tried to put #!/usr/local/bin/kermit -q -H -E but I get : ?"-q -H -E" - invalid command-line option, type "kermit -h" for help IDEAS? Thanks, Tuc/TTSG From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 19 13:26:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04785 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA13708 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "shebang" help Date: 19 Aug 1997 17:26:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5tckvg$oqd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33F9CF57.740BF0D6@ttsg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7507 In article <33F9CF57.740BF0D6@ttsg.com>, TTSG wrote: : I'm trying to create a script that just dials a telephone number and : when its done exits (NO, THIS ISNT A PRANK DIALER! I want to set email : up that when I receive a message, it'll just dial my phone to let me : know I have email) : : #!/usr/local/bin/kermit : set modem type hayes-high-speed ; I have an Accura modem : set port /dev/tty16 ; on tty16 (AIX) : set speed 2400 ; Arbitrary : set parity even ; More Arb : set flow xon/xoff ; Ok, so I copied this : set modem flow none ; from ckepage.ksc : set dial retries 1 ; Allow 10 redials : dial 19145551212 ; Call my home phone : end ; Lemme out : : DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired. : Of course, because there is no modem on the other end to answer your call. : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2 : Read about the PDIAL command in manual. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 19 17:51:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22823 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28263 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.220.6!earth.superlink.net!not-for-mail From: TTSG Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "shebang" help Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:18:08 -0400 Organization: TTSG Lines: 68 Sender: (PJ_W,>% References: <33F9CF57.740BF0D6@ttsg.com> <5tckvg$oqd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tucsapt.superlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (X11; I; Linux 2.0.0 i486) To: Frank da Cruz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7508 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <33F9CF57.740BF0D6@ttsg.com>, TTSG wrote: > : I'm trying to create a script that just dials a telephone number and > : when its done exits (NO, THIS ISNT A PRANK DIALER! I want to set email > : up that when I receive a message, it'll just dial my phone to let me > : know I have email) > : > : #!/usr/local/bin/kermit > : set modem type hayes-high-speed ; I have an Accura modem > : set port /dev/tty16 ; on tty16 (AIX) > : set speed 2400 ; Arbitrary > : set parity even ; More Arb > : set flow xon/xoff ; Ok, so I copied this > : set modem flow none ; from ckepage.ksc > : set dial retries 1 ; Allow 10 redials > : dial 19145551212 ; Call my home phone > : end ; Lemme out > : > : DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired. > : > Of course, because there is no modem on the other end to answer your call. > Right, but it wasn't exiting and it was giving me a big banner and a few other things..... I happened upon a script that does better : #!/usr/local/bin/kermit set quiet on ; Be very very quiet set dial method tone ; Lots faster set modem type hayes-high-speed ; Ok, so its 14.4 set port /dev/tty16 ; 2nd to last modem dial 19145551212 ; Reach out and touch someone exit ; Lemme out Ok, so it does what I want. Now I gotta figure out why sendmail isn't launching it properly. It runs, but exits quickly. > > : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for IBM RS/6000 AIX 3.2 > : > Read about the PDIAL command in manual. > > - Frank Ok, will do, thanks, but now another question..... I'd like to have the number to dial in a file so I can change it via a web page. In shell, I could `cat /tmp/waldo` to bring information into a command, but alas : dial `cat /tmp/waldo` doesn't. Will I need to do something like : open read /tmp/waldo read line close read dial \m(line) To get it to do what I want? Thanks again (And again) Tuc From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 19 18:09:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25487 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29063 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "shebang" help Date: 19 Aug 1997 22:09:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5td5ht$41d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33F9CF57.740BF0D6@ttsg.com> <5tckvg$oqd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <33FA0D90.5E4B856@ttsg.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7509 In article <33FA0D90.5E4B856@ttsg.com>, TTSG wrote: : I'd like to have the number to dial in a file so I can change it via a : web page. In shell, I could `cat /tmp/waldo` to bring information into : a command, but alas : : : dial `cat /tmp/waldo` : : doesn't. : : Will I need to do something like : : : open read /tmp/waldo : read line : close read : dial \m(line) : : To get it to do what I want? : The next release of C-Kermit will have a more convenient construct, but the above should work in any version since 1992 (of course you also want to add "if failure" checks after the OPEN and READ commands). Or you could have it "dial foo", where "foo" is a dialing directory entry, and you can edit the dialing directory if you want. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 20 12:46:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01363 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17385 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!gip.net!news-lond.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news!not-for-mail From: rober@proxys.it (Roberto Perelli) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Poor perforfance with MOTOROLA SURFER 56K and KERMIT 95 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:42:09 GMT Organization: Comm2000 - Milan, Italy Lines: 8 Message-ID: <33fb1d58.35296892@news.comm2000.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: rombon-max-1-l34.comm2000.it X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7514 I'm evaluating this new modem from Motorola with KERMIT95 at client side and C-Kermit 6.192 but when trasfering big files I get a lot of CRC errors and only using small packets transfer ends. Does anyone knows a configuration of this modem that can give better results? Thanks. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 20 13:01:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04091 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA18123 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with IF NUMERIC between 3.14 and 3.15 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:01:55 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 43 Message-ID: <33fb02f2.277916@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parb17.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7515 One more time : Hello from France. The take file hereunder is able to test a keyboard data input to see if the data is defined (not only return key), numeric and between lower and upper limits. Under MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 : inputs with unary operators + or - are seen as not numeric. (The documentation says that only digits 0..9 are accepted) Under MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 : inputs need to have unary operators + or - Any data without unary operator + and with more than one numeric character is seen as not numeric. "5" or "+5" are both seen as numeric "12" is seen as not numeric "+12" is seen as numeric. It seems that the implicit unary operator + is not taken into account. I propose that for Kermit 3.15 "IF NUMERIC" - accept digits 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 - accept unary operators + or - only in first position - put an implicit unary operator + if there was not Comments please. Best regards, :Begin define \%e ask \%c {Your Choice (Between 1 and 99) : } if not defined \%c define \%e undefined if not defined \%e if not numeric \%c define \%e not numeric if not defined \%e if < \%c 1 define \%e too low if not defined \%e if > \%c 99 define \%e too high if not defined \%e goto Fin echo {\7Error : your answer (\%c) is \%e\7} pause 2 goto Begin :Fin == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 20 13:18:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06810 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19024 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Poor perforfance with MOTOROLA SURFER 56K and KERMIT 95 Date: 20 Aug 1997 17:18:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5tf8su$rj7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33fb1d58.35296892@news.comm2000.it> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7516 In article <33fb1d58.35296892@news.comm2000.it>, Roberto Perelli wrote: : I'm evaluating this new modem from Motorola with KERMIT95 at client : side and C-Kermit 6.192 but when trasfering big files I get a lot of : CRC errors and only using small packets transfer ends. : : Does anyone knows a configuration of this modem that can give better : results? : File transfer performance is discussed at length in your C-Kermit manual, especially Chapter 12 (of the second edition). Long packets are faster than short packets if you have a good connection. But you don't. CRC errors are indicative of any number of things -- again all this is explained in your manual. Lack of effective flow control, failure of the two modems to negotiate an error-corrected session, interrupt conflicts, an unbuffered UART, you name it. Meanwhile, as I'm sure you noticed, your modem is not directly supported by Kermit 95. So I assume you are using K95 1.1.13 and its TAPI interface to the modem. But who knows if the TAPI modem command strings are correct? We have had several questions about BitSurfer modems, but we don't have any information on them. If somebody would like to send us a copy of the technical manual or command summary, then we could support them better. - Frank P.S. We do have a USR 56K (X2) modem, and it works very nicely with K95. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 20 13:23:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07667 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19271 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with IF NUMERIC between 3.14 and 3.15 Date: 20 Aug 1997 17:23:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5tf96n$rnq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33fb02f2.277916@news.calvacom.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7517 In article <33fb02f2.277916@news.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : One more time : Hello from France. : : The take file hereunder is able to test a keyboard data input to see if the : data is defined (not only return key), numeric and between lower and upper : limits. : : Under MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 : : inputs with unary operators + or - are seen as not numeric. : (The documentation says that only digits 0..9 are accepted) : Obviously we will not be making any changes to MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. New features and behavior will appear in version 3.15. : Under MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 : : inputs need to have unary operators + or - : : Any data without unary operator + and with more than one numeric character : is seen as not numeric. : "5" or "+5" are both seen as numeric : "12" is seen as not numeric : This is a bug; thanks for noticing it. We'll get it fixed. (This is what Beta test are for!) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 09:36:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA15220 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28559 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 09:36:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!news.voicenet.com!feed1.news.erols.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!129.240.148.41!nntp.uio.no!mn5.swip.net!news From: Fredrik Lewerth Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 GUI? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 14:03:34 +0200 Organization: Gunship BBS Lines: 12 Message-ID: <33FC2E96.13BB1C57@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: mn8.swip.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Cache-Post-Path: mn8!s-205208@dialup84-6-13.swipnet.se Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7521 Hi! Any news on the GUI version of K-95? -- = * Fredrik Lewerth * G=F6teborg, Sweden * Fax/BBS: +46 31 421077 *= * http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-26329/ * Cellular: +46 708 693306 * * mailto:frelew@swipnet.se * Mj=F6lk och kaka... *= From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 10:54:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA27672 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03380 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 10:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 GUI? Date: 21 Aug 1997 14:54:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5thkr6$5iu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33FC2E96.13BB1C57@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7522 In article <33FC2E96.13BB1C57@swipnet.se>, Fredrik Lewerth wrote: : Any news on the GUI version of K-95? : If it was ready, we would not keep it secret :-) We're working on it; it takes a long, long, long time. To get an idea, go through all the commands and type ? at every point to see all the possibilities, and then imagine coding dialog boxes for each and every one. Most of the basic functionality, aside from all the dialog boxes, is fully GUIfied, as you can see in the screen shots at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/kuishots.html In the meantime, most of the functional limitations that were imposed by console mode have been removed in 1.1.13, so if you haven't upgraded to 1.1.13, please do so: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 11:39:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06741 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05776 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!169.132.11.200!news.idt.net!nntp.farm.idt.net!u2.farm.idt.net!tmalloy From: Tom Malloy Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: installing kermit Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 11:36:29 -0400 Organization: IDT Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <5t4esm$1hk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Tom Malloy NNTP-Posting-Host: u2.farm.idt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: tmalloy@u2.farm.idt.net In-Reply-To: <5t4esm$1hk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7523 Hi Frank, I suspect the reason my provider does not want to install kermit is pretty simple. They are a small provider and don't have enough administrators. My suspicion is that the owner is the one and only administrator. He can barely keep a head of the work. If enough people use it I think I can convince him to install it. If a log file is not workable perhaps I can find another solution. Maybe I could add a brief message to be displayed when the program is run asking the user to also request the program. Once again thank you, and all the folks at columbia, for all your help Tom From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 12:34:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18609 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA08585 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: installing kermit Date: 21 Aug 1997 16:34:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5thqms$8bo$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5t4esm$1hk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7524 In article , Tom Malloy wrote: : I suspect the reason my provider does not want to install kermit : is pretty simple. They are a small provider and don't have enough : administrators. My suspicion is that the owner is the one and only : administrator. He can barely keep a head of the work. If enough people : use it I think I can convince him to install it. If a log file is not : workable perhaps I can find another solution. Maybe I could add a brief : message to be displayed when the program is run asking the user to also : request the program. : Since Kermit would not be used for making calls (right?), but mainly in "remote mode" for transferring files with those who are calling in, then installation is quite simple: 1. Get the appropriate binary from us or build it from source. 2. Test it make sure it works. 3. Rename it to "kermit" and chmod 755 or whatever. 4. Move it to /usr/local/bin or similar place that is in everybody's PATH. When installed in this way, it is an ordinary unprivileged user program -- no setuid or setgid privileges, etc. You can do steps 1 - 3. Step 4 should take about 5 seconds. If your ISP doesn't trust you and thinks you are trying to install a virus or Trojan Horse, then you can refer them to us to get the binary, assuming we have one (if we don't, then let me know). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 16:41:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12363 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21566 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 16:41:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news2.chicago.cic.net!news1.chicago.cic.net!iagnet.net!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!tapir!broezell From: broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exiting Kermit Date: 21 Aug 1997 19:44:17 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5ti5qh$ooc$1@trotsky.cig.mot.com> References: <33F8BA1C.5237@zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: tapir.cig.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7525 Include in your script: set exit warning off In article <33F8BA1C.5237@zip.com.au> Graham Smith writes: >Hi All, > >I'm in the process of writing a script to automatically download files >and then exit Kermit. > >When exiting kermit I get the following message:- >A serial connection might still be active on /dev/cua/b >OK to exit? > >As I want cron to run the script how can I get rid of this message so >that Kermit exits properly. > >Thanks in Advance > >Graham Smith >E-Mail gqs@zip.com.au From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 17:19:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18956 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA23628 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.rmit.EDU.AU!goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au!news.apana.org.au!news.teragen.com.au!news.access.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.syd.connect.com.au!the-fly.zip.com.au!not-for-mail From: Graham Smith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exiting Kermit Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 14:09:48 -0700 Organization: The Zipsters Lines: 16 Message-ID: <33F8BA1C.5237@zip.com.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.16.182.77 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7526 Hi All, I'm in the process of writing a script to automatically download files and then exit Kermit. When exiting kermit I get the following message:- A serial connection might still be active on /dev/cua/b OK to exit? As I want cron to run the script how can I get rid of this message so that Kermit exits properly. Thanks in Advance Graham Smith E-Mail gqs@zip.com.au From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 20:14:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA17520 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA02802 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 20:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed2.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.49.14.4!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: echo command works differently between 3.14 and 3.15 Message-ID: Date: 21 Aug 97 16:56:12 MDT References: <33f9b133.266082@news.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 95 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7527 In article , jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <33f9b133.266082@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) writes: >> Hello from France. >> >> I apologize for my wrong English. I hope you understand me. >> >> I think there is a problem with echo command within a take file between >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.15 beta 21 >> >> With MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 both the macro Disp and the echo command will >> display "Yes" in green (With ANSI.SYS loaded). >> >> With MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 only the macro Disp displays "Yes" in green. >> Echo command displays the contents of macro's Ge and No. >> ANSI escape sequences are not correctly executed when these sequences are >> within a macro inside an echo command. >> (See macro and commands hereunder) >> >> ; Displays White on Blue >> assign No \27[0;1;37;44m >> ; Displays Green on Blue >> assign Ge \27[0;1;32;44m >> assign Disp echo {From Macro Disp : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} >> Disp >> echo {From Echo Command : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} >> > --------- > Translating this into words for other readers, ASSIGN evaluates > its arguments before storing the result into the named variable. DEFINE > does not. Neither changes \numbers to binary form. > Next, processing \m(macro-name) is a parallel process to reducing > \numbers, not an iterative one. That's the key here. > Macro DISP receives argument > echo {From Macro Disp: \27[0;1;32;44mYes\27[0;1;37;44m} > where the \m(macro-name) parts have had their contents substituted. > Invoking macro DISP causes the above string to be passed through the parser > again by the ECHO command, and ECHO asks for \numbers to be converted to > binary format. > Then the single ECHO command below it sees not that \number style > string but rather \m(macro-name) string, \m(name) items are parsed to their > replacment text, and thus ECHO sees literal \27[ etc characters. \number and > \m(name) are parallel but not self-calling in MSK 3.15. Thus we see \27[ etc > on the screen. > Or in simpler terms, \numbers are not substitution variables. > MSK 3.14 did \number conversion in individual commands such as ECHO, > and hence in series with substitution variable work by the parser, but MSK > 3.15 moved \num conversion into the parser in parallel with substitution > variables. ---------- Adding what I should have done in the above message: how to work around this effect. The solution is to use formal substitution variables, \%letter items. Then a test Take file might be like this: ; Displays White on Blue assign No \27[0;1;37;44m ; Displays Green on Blue assign Ge \27[0;1;32;44m assign Disp echo {From Macro Disp : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} Disp echo {From Echo Command : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} ; variable format echo Variable form assign \%n \27[0;1;37;44m ; Displays Green on Blue assign \%g \27[0;1;32;44m assign Disp echo {From Macro Disp : \%gYes\%n} Disp echo {From Echo Command : \%gYes\%n} The second, variable, format works as desired: a green Yes is displayed by both DISP and ECHO command lines. The reason it works is because formal substitution variables reevaluate their results recursively, thus the parser sees \%g, replaces it by \27[ etc and then reevalutes the string from the \ byte again (and hence sees \27 as a \number to be reduced to binary). Recall, \m(ge) is replaced by the macro ge's definition and that's that. The definition is not rescanned for \number conversion. Similarly, def A this is short def b \m(a) def c \m(b) echo testing \m(c) yields "testing \m(b)" rather than "testing this is short". But def \%a this is short def \%b \%a def \%c \%b echo testing \%c yields "testing this is short", \%a is "this is short", \%b is "\%a", and \%c is "\%b". Substitution variables reevalute themselves and we get down to the bare "this is short" definition in the end. Cynics may say this is the Computer Science equivalent of lawyer-speak. I couldn't possible comment on that, unquote. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 22:09:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA02722 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08588 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with IF NUMERIC between 3.14 and 3.15 Message-ID: Date: 21 Aug 97 14:04:33 MDT References: <33fb02f2.277916@news.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7528 In article <33fb02f2.277916@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) writes: > One more time : Hello from France. > > The take file hereunder is able to test a keyboard data input to see if the > data is defined (not only return key), numeric and between lower and upper > limits. > > Under MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 : > inputs with unary operators + or - are seen as not numeric. > (The documentation says that only digits 0..9 are accepted) > > Under MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 : > inputs need to have unary operators + or - > Any data without unary operator + and with more than one numeric character > is seen as not numeric. > "5" or "+5" are both seen as numeric > "12" is seen as not numeric > "+12" is seen as numeric. > It seems that the implicit unary operator + is not taken into account. > == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == -------- Your original report was heard directly and the problem (bug) fixed. A new beta for it has not been issued at this time. Thanks, Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 21 22:58:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA09054 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA11261 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 22:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: echo command works differently between 3.14 and 3.15 Message-ID: Date: 21 Aug 97 15:21:43 MDT References: <33f9b133.266082@news.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 77 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7529 In article <33f9b133.266082@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Hello from France. > > I apologize for my wrong English. I hope you understand me. > > I think there is a problem with echo command within a take file between > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.15 beta 21 > > With MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 both the macro Disp and the echo command will > display "Yes" in green (With ANSI.SYS loaded). > > With MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 only the macro Disp displays "Yes" in green. > Echo command displays the contents of macro's Ge and No. > ANSI escape sequences are not correctly executed when these sequences are > within a macro inside an echo command. > (See macro and commands hereunder) > > ; Displays White on Blue > assign No \27[0;1;37;44m > ; Displays Green on Blue > assign Ge \27[0;1;32;44m > assign Disp echo {From Macro Disp : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} > Disp > echo {From Echo Command : \m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} > --------- Translating this into words for other readers, ASSIGN evaluates its arguments before storing the result into the named variable. DEFINE does not. Neither changes \numbers to binary form. Next, processing \m(macro-name) is a parallel process to reducing \numbers, not an iterative one. That's the key here. Macro DISP receives argument echo {From Macro Disp: \27[0;1;32;44mYes\27[0;1;37;44m} where the \m(macro-name) parts have had their contents substituted. Invoking macro DISP causes the above string to be passed through the parser again by the ECHO command, and ECHO asks for \numbers to be converted to binary format. Then the single ECHO command below it sees not that \number style string but rather \m(macro-name) string, \m(name) items are parsed to their replacment text, and thus ECHO sees literal \27[ etc characters. \number and \m(name) are parallel but not self-calling in MSK 3.15. Thus we see \27[ etc on the screen. Or in simpler terms, \numbers are not substitution variables. MSK 3.14 did \number conversion in individual commands such as ECHO, and hence in series with substitution variable work by the parser, but MSK 3.15 moved \num conversion into the parser in parallel with substitution variables. Now one may well ask if this is a good thing or not, and to be honest at the moment it could be either. What it is is a change from MSK 3.14 because the parsing code has had a major upgrade. The manner of parsing \numbers has changed between versions, and I am hesitant to revise it again for fear of breaking a lot of things in an extremely intricate section of code. Nevertheless, I'll have a look at it over the weekend to see if there is a compromise of reasonable proportions. > Is it a bug or a new feature of 3.15 version ? Feature, FEATURE, F E A T U R E. Why are people snickering? Hush. See my last sentence above. Thanks, Joe D. ---------- > I am not able to find any explanations in the MSK315.DOC file. > > If it is a new feature, it will be very hard to move my applications under > version 3.15 because there are many commands like : > echo {\27[\m(Line);\m(Column)H\m(Ge)Yes\m(No)} > to put a green "Yes" on defined screen areas > > Nevertheless I am very interested by version 3.15 with local variables, > declare arrays, minput, switch, \Feval(), for, while, xif, if else and > other improvements. > > Best regards, > > > == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 22 11:13:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15412 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05584 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: echo command works differently between 3.14 and 3.15 Date: 22 Aug 1997 15:13:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <5tkaah$831$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33f9b133.266082@news.calvacom.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7530 In article , Joe Doupnik wrote: : Adding what I should have done in the above message: how to work : around this effect. The solution is to use formal substitution variables, : \%letter items. : ... : The second, variable, format works as desired: a green Yes is : displayed by both DISP and ECHO command lines. The reason it works is : because formal substitution variables reevaluate their results recursively, : thus the parser sees \%g, replaces it by \27[ etc and then reevalutes the : string from the \ byte again (and hence sees \27 as a \number to be : reduced to binary). : Recall, \m(ge) is replaced by the macro ge's definition and that's : that. The definition is not rescanned for \number conversion. : There is method in this madness. Several years of experience with the scripting language has shown that there is a need for two kinds of variables; one that is fully (i.e. recursively) evalated, and another that is evaluated only "one level deep" -- i.e. that is replaced by its literal definition. Why? Obviously we need a type of variable that is fully evaluated. Example: define \%n OOFA define \%t TXT define \%f \%n.\%t send \%f The final command becomes "send OOFA.TXT". But primarily because of DOS filenames, which use backslash as the directory separator (great idea!), we also need a type of variable that is evaluated only once. To illustrate: define \%f c:\123\x00.txt echo \%f does not print "c:\123\x3b.txt". Instead it prints "c:\{;.txt". And so, of course, "send \%f" doesn't work either. So for variables whose values are likely to contain literal backslashes, especially when they are followed by digits or certain other characters like "x", we use the other form: define filename c:\123\x00.txt echo Sending \m(filename)... send \m(filename) The problems caused by backslashes in DOS filenames are not limited only to Kermit, as anybody who has had to write UNIX shell scripts to deal them can attest. And of course, we get the worst of both worlds when we need to give a DOS filename to UNIX C-Kermit on the shell command line... - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 23 14:06:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25035 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA01790 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!infoserver.bgsu.edu!woody.wcnet.org!usenet From: Chris Henschen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 numeric keyboard with scoansi emulation Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:46:27 -0400 Organization: Wood County Internet Council Lines: 9 Message-ID: <33FF21F3.4ED2@wcnet.org> Reply-To: chrish@wcnet.org NNTP-Posting-Host: ts33.wcnet.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7531 I am having problems with the numeric keyboards math key such as the /, *, -, and + keys. They are producing escape key sequences and not the response on it's key. Any help on how to change this would be much welcomed, as the people in the office seem to use these keys alot. The same results occure in WordPerfect with this emulation also. Thanks, chrish@wcnet.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 23 17:42:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA01149 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:42:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12342 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 17:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 numeric keyboard with scoansi emulation Date: 23 Aug 1997 21:42:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5tnlfc$7jj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <33FF21F3.4ED2@wcnet.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7532 In article <33FF21F3.4ED2@wcnet.org>, Chris Henschen wrote: : I am having problems with the numeric keyboards math key such as the /, : *, -, and + keys. They are producing escape key sequences and not the : response on it's key. Any help on how to change this would be much : welcomed, as the people in the office seem to use these keys alot. The : same results occure in WordPerfect with this emulation also. : This is a bug in both the SCOANSI and AT386 emulations. To correct it add the following to your k95CUSTOM.INI file. set term key scoansi \400 set term key scoansi \4496 set term key scoansi \4143 set term key scoansi \4543 set term key scoansi \362 set term key scoansi \365 set term key scoansi \366 set term key scoansi \302 set term key scoansi \4365 set term key scoansi \2411 set term key scoansi \363 repeat with scoansi replaced by at386 Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 23 19:32:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14154 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA18115 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!pitt.edu!dsinc!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!freenet.buffalo.edu!am302 From: "L. Chen" Subject: Can MS-Kermit 3.14 be used with Win95 telnet client for downloading? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Organization: Buffalo Free-Net Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:45:50 GMT Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7533 I am on Win95. I connect to AOL or AT&T Worldnet. Then I use NetTerm (Win95 telnet client) to telnet to a freenet site (Lynx browser). For downloading files from the freenet site, can I somehow start Kermit for the download task? If yes, how? [I could do that when I was using ProComm for DOS -- by shelling out to DOS and start Kermit. But it does not work with this current setup.] TIA. Lily Chen am302@freenet.buffalo.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 24 09:57:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00449 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29801 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 09:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-Kermit 3.14 be used with Win95 telnet client for downloading? Date: 24 Aug 1997 13:57:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5tpekp$3p0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7534 In article , L. Chen wrote: : : I am on Win95. I connect to AOL or AT&T Worldnet. Then I use NetTerm (Win95 : telnet client) to telnet to a freenet site (Lynx browser). : : For downloading files from the freenet site, can I somehow start Kermit for : the download task? If yes, how? : Try typing "kermit" on at the shell prompt on the remote site. If your ISP does not have Kermit, they can simply download it from: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html and install it. : [I could do that when I was using ProComm for DOS -- by shelling out to : DOS and start Kermit. But it does not work with this current setup.] : We don't suport Netterm; it's not our product -- ask the Netterm people how to use Netterm. We have our own communications software (Telnet/Rlogin client and serial communications) for Windows 95, called Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html which we do support. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 24 11:50:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18879 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05541 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can MS-Kermit 3.14 be used with Win95 telnet client for downloading? Message-ID: Date: 24 Aug 97 09:13:25 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7536 In article , "L. Chen" writes: > I am on Win95. I connect to AOL or AT&T Worldnet. Then I use NetTerm (Win95 > telnet client) to telnet to a freenet site (Lynx browser). > > For downloading files from the freenet site, can I somehow start Kermit for > the download task? If yes, how? > > [I could do that when I was using ProComm for DOS -- by shelling out to DOS > and start Kermit. But it does not work with this current setup.] > > TIA. > > Lily Chen > am302@freenet.buffalo.edu ------------ If you are using a Windows TCP/IP stack (and hence a winsock) then that stack works only for formal Windows programs, not for programs running in a DOS box. Telnet is a TCP/IP program. The Kermit to use as a formal Windows program is Kermit95; it relies upon the 32-bit MS TCP/IP stack and winsock to do Telnet. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 25 16:37:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29952 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26607 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!not-for-mail From: Mike Dyck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with Kermit under AIX Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:36:10 -0500 Organization: MBnet - Manitoba's Connection To The Internet Lines: 15 Message-ID: <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.45.193.125 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7537 What I'm trying to do is to drop the modem carrier without killing the shell. Under SCO, I can just delete the LCK..* file and then run kermit, set line to the modem tty and type hangup and it will hangup the modem, but the shell will still run. However, under AIX if I delete /etc/locks/LCK..* and then run kermit, it says that the modem is still locked. Is there any other LCK.* files hidding around, or is there anyother way to do this? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated, Mike From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 25 16:54:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03298 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27529 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Kermit under AIX Date: 25 Aug 1997 20:54:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <5tsrev$fiu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7538 In article <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com>, Mike Dyck wrote: : What I'm trying to do is to drop the modem carrier : without killing the shell. Under SCO, I can just : delete the LCK..* file and then run kermit, set : line to the modem tty and type hangup and it will : hangup the modem, but the shell will still run. : However, under AIX if I delete /etc/locks/LCK..* : and then run kermit, it says that the modem is : still locked. Is there any other LCK.* files : hidding around, or is there anyother way to do : this? : I'm not sure what you mean about the shell, but yes, AIX (it would have been helpful if you mentioned the version) 3.x uses *two* (2) lockfiles -- or rather, one lockfile, plus a link to it. If memory serves, they are something like: /etc/locks/LCK..tty00 (where "tty00" is the device name), and then the link would be called: /etc/locks/tty00 So you have to nail them both. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 25 19:08:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA28938 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:08:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04277 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cloud9.net!feed4.internetmci.com!news-out.internetmci.com!infeed2.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.82.160.249!solaris.cc.vt.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibeloozePLEASE_REMOVE_THIS_TO_REPLY@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 25 Aug 1997 19:41:31 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ruacad.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7539 comp.unix.questions:115964 comp.unix.admin:70131 comp.unix.misc:35237 comp.unix.ultrix:31787 comp.unix.shell:54204 I use Ultrix 4.4 and an old version of kermit. I just got a 33.6K Practical Peripherals modem but I can not get connected at that speed. Only 19600. This is my .kermrc file: set block 3 set window 5 set send packet 1024 set receive packet 1024 set file type binary set file name literal set line /dev/tty00 set speed 33600 #set flow-control rts/cts define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line) > \v(line) define sb !sb \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line) > \v(line) define sx !sx \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line) > \v(line) define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line) > \v(line) define rb !rb \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line) > \v(line) define rx !rx \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \%5 \%6 \%7 \%8 \%9 < \v(line) > \v(line) The error I am getting is ?No keywords match - 33600 Why is this happening and what can I do about it? What is the right speed to specify in that file? Also, all of the modems they have are 33.6K. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------- ibelooze @ Ilya Beloozerov Please take out "REMOVE_THIS" runet.edu in the return address to reply. --------------------------------------------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 25 20:54:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA14649 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA10031 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!152.163.199.19!portc03.blue.aol.com!newstf02.news.aol.com!audrey02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: gazerblue@aol.com (GazerBlue) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with PCMCIA Card - HELP!!! Date: 26 Aug 1997 00:54:12 GMT Lines: 13 Message-ID: <19970826005401.UAA26503@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder02.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7540 Hello, I'm running W95 on a Toshiba Satellite 110CT laptop with a USR 33.3 PCMCIA modem card. When I try and start kermit I get two errors as follows: ?Warning: no hardware for this serial port ?This port will be operated through the bios as BIOS2 I cannot get kermit to recognize the modem. Help..any patches, suggestions? Thanks, Eve From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Aug 25 22:54:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29855 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA16415 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA Card - HELP!!! Message-ID: Date: 25 Aug 97 20:24:30 MDT References: <19970826005401.UAA26503@ladder02.news.aol.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7541 In article <19970826005401.UAA26503@ladder02.news.aol.com>, gazerblue@aol.com (GazerBlue) writes: > Hello, > > I'm running W95 on a Toshiba Satellite 110CT laptop with a USR 33.3 PCMCIA > modem card. When I try and start kermit I get two errors as follows: > > ?Warning: no hardware for this serial port > ?This port will be operated through the bios as BIOS2 > > I cannot get kermit to recognize the modem. Help..any patches, > suggestions? > > Thanks, > Eve ---------- In the case of Windows, Windows itself takes over the real serial port hardware and makes available a "virtualized" port. MS-DOS Kermit tests the port for having a usable UART chip, and the virtualized port is supposed to mimic it well enough that Kermit is satisfied. But this mimicry fails when Windows has allocated the port to something else or the Windows driver for the port is not all it should be, or when the port is in some undefinable state of not quite working. You should ensure that Windows thinks there is a COM2 of the kind you have and that nothing else is using it. PCMCIA equipment often has a difficult time of it because special initialization steps may be needed, not to mention ensuring it is not turned off as a power saving feature. The bottom line is Windows is in charge of the real hardware, and you need to have a quiet talk with W95 about making the hardware available. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 01:09:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA19015 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA21916 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!newsfeed.dacom.co.kr!newsfeed.kornet.nm.kr!news-stock.gsl.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!chewie.bellsouth.cl!jedi.cmet.net!amunoz From: amunoz@publinet.cl (Avatar) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help with kermit config Date: 25 Aug 1997 22:30:17 GMT Organization: Unknown Organization Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5tt11p$4s8@jedi.cmet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 200.32.74.23 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7542 Hi I've been trying kermit 190 and 192 on a Silicon Graphics INDY with IRIX 5.3 the software compiles and seems to work but I cannot set the port, it refuses to access the lock file the output is: C-Kermit>set port /dev/ttyd2 /var/spool/locks: No such file or directory UUCP not installed or Kermit misconfigured Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/ttyd2 ?????? any ideas of what can be done??? thanks for any help. Alberto From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 10:38:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18510 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21494 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 26 Aug 1997 14:38:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7543 comp.unix.questions:115996 comp.unix.admin:70158 comp.unix.misc:35249 comp.unix.ultrix:31791 comp.unix.shell:54221 In article <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu>, I l y a wrote: : I use Ultrix 4.4 and an old version of kermit. : There is no need to run an old version of Kermit. The very latest versions work on Ultrix 4.4 and every other UNIX version: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html C-Kermit 6.0 includes much better support for high-speed modems than previous versions. : I just got a 33.6K : Practical Peripherals modem but I can not get connected at that : speed. Only 19600. This is my .kermrc file: : : set line /dev/tty00 : set speed 33600 : ... : You need a "set modem type ppi" command before your "set line" command. This causes C-Kermit 6.0 to adjust its many of its communications settings to the modem -- flow control, speed buffering, etc, and of course, also allows C-Kermit to open the device even though it is not yet asserting CD. (In Ultrix this might not be an issue, but it is in System V and POSIX based UNIX versions). : The error I am getting is : : ?No keywords match - 33600 : : Why is this happening and what can I do about it? What is the right speed : to specify in that file? Also, all of the modems they have are 33.6K. : You can only tell C-Kermit to set speeds that are supported by the underlying operating system. 33600 is not such a speed. Use 38400 or 57600 or 76800 or 115200. Read the "Using C-Kermit" manual about speed buffering, flow control, error correction, and compression -- the difference between modulation speed and interface speed, and their reconciliation, is a fundamental aspect of modern modem communications, and is covered in depth in Appendix II of the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 10:40:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18790 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21509 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!not-for-mail From: Mike Dyck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Kermit under AIX Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:29:32 -0500 Organization: MBnet - Manitoba's Connection To The Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3402DA3B.4C4F3A3@sirvys.com> References: <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com> <5tsrev$fiu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.45.193.125 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7544 > I'm not sure what you mean about the shell, but > yes, > AIX (it would have been helpful if you mentioned > the > version) 3.x uses *two* (2) lockfiles -- or > rather, > one lockfile, plus a link to it. If memory > serves, > they are something like: > > /etc/locks/LCK..tty00 > > (where "tty00" is the device name), and then the > > link would be called: > > /etc/locks/tty00 > > So you have to nail them both. > > - Frank Sorry, it's version it's AIX 4.1, but I think they changed the lock files in 4 because there is not /etc/locks/tty* files just LCK..*. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 10:57:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22145 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!netnews.uthscsa.edu!not-for-mail From: "Brian C. Carr" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:24:40 -0500 Organization: Comm Tech UTHSCSA Lines: 35 Message-ID: <3402E728.435A@uthscsa.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> Reply-To: carrbc@uthscsa.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: nres04.uthscsa.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7545 comp.unix.questions:115999 comp.unix.admin:70160 comp.unix.misc:35250 comp.unix.ultrix:31792 comp.unix.shell:54223 I l y a wrote: > > I use Ultrix 4.4 and an old version of kermit. I just got a 33.6K > Practical Peripherals modem but I can not get connected at that > speed. Only 19600. This is my .kermrc file: > > set block 3 >[stuff deleted] > set speed 33600 Use multiples like 38400 or 57600 Most machines can't be set at "fractions" bit rates... And Kermit knows this and is telling you... =brian > > The error I am getting is > > ?No keywords match - 33600 > > Why is this happening and what can I do about it? What is the right speed > to specify in that file? Also, all of the modems they have are 33.6K. > > Thanks. > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ibelooze @ Ilya Beloozerov Please take out "REMOVE_THIS" > runet.edu in the return address to reply. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 11:04:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23934 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22796 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help with kermit config Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:04:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5tur9b$hr0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5tt11p$4s8@jedi.cmet.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7546 In article <5tt11p$4s8@jedi.cmet.net>, Avatar wrote: : I've been trying kermit 190 and 192 on a Silicon Graphics : INDY with IRIX 5.3 : the software compiles and seems to work but I cannot set : the port, it refuses to access the lock file : the output is: : C-Kermit>set port /dev/ttyd2 : /var/spool/locks: No such file or directory : UUCP not installed or Kermit misconfigured : Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/ttyd2 : This is, I hope, a singularly informative messsage. : ?????? : any ideas of what can be done??? : Please read the documentation. The UNIX Appendix of "Using C-Kermit" explains how the system administrator should install C-Kermit on UNIX systems that protect the dialout devices and/or their lockfiles against "the world". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 11:05:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24177 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22865 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA Card - HELP!!! Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:05:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5turb5$ht5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19970826005401.UAA26503@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7547 In article <19970826005401.UAA26503@ladder02.news.aol.com>, GazerBlue wrote: : I'm running W95 on a Toshiba Satellite 110CT laptop with a USR 33.3 PCMCIA : modem card. When I try and start kermit I get two errors as follows: : : ?Warning: no hardware for this serial port : ?This port will be operated through the bios as BIOS2 : : I cannot get kermit to recognize the modem. Help..any patches, : suggestions? : MS-DOS Kermit can not see this kind of device. You'll have to switch to Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 11:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24907 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23077 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Kermit under AIX Date: 26 Aug 1997 15:09:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5turid$i03$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com> <5tsrev$fiu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3402DA3B.4C4F3A3@sirvys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7548 In article <3402DA3B.4C4F3A3@sirvys.com>, Mike Dyck wrote: : Sorry, it's version it's AIX 4.1, but I : think they changed the lock files in 4 because : there is not /etc/locks/tty* files just LCK..*. : Maybe the other program that has the device open is using a system call -- in addition to the lockfile -- to lock the device, which causes the open() to fail. What is the precise message you are getting from C-Kermit when you try to open the device after deleting the lockfile? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 11:40:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02958 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24688 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:40:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: \Frpad() result is different between 3.14 and 3.15 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:39:39 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 47 Message-ID: <3402f16f.1787782@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: par07.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7549 Sorry, one more time it is me. It seems there is a problem with \Frpad() between MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.15 (Please use a fixed pitch font to see correctly) With Kermit 3.14, the hereunder take file produce this screen : +-----------------------------------------+ ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! +-----------------------------------------+ With Kermit 3.15, the hereunder take file produce this screen : +-----------------------------------------+ ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA)))))))))))))))))! ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA)))))))))))))))))! +-----------------------------------------+ Comments please. Best regards, define SCUA Yes define SCUB No define DCUA No define DCUB Yes define PSSA No define PSSB Yes define Boards if equal \m(DCUA) Yes assign Boards DCUA if equal \m(DCUB) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) DCUB if equal \m(PSSA) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) PSSA if equal \m(PSSB) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) PSSB if equal \m(SCUA) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) SCUA if equal \m(SCUB) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) SCUB assign Disp \Frpad(\m(Boards),30, ) assign \%c \Frpad(\m(Boards),30, ) ; echo { +----------------------------------------+} echo { ! Boards : \Frpad(\m(Boards),30, )!} echo { ! Boards : \m(Disp)!} echo { ! Boards : \%c!} echo { +----------------------------------------+} == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 11:43:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03355 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA24856 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: echo command works differently between 3.14 and 3.15 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:39:35 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 17 Message-ID: <34019dcd.502853@news.calvacom.fr> References: <33f9b133.266082@news.calvacom.fr> <5tkaah$831$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: par07.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7550 On 22 Aug 1997 15:13:21 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote > There is method in this madness. Several years of experience with the > scripting language has shown that there is a need for two kinds of variables; > one that is fully (i.e. recursively) evalated, and another that is evaluated > only "one level deep" -- i.e. that is replaced by its literal definition. Joe Doupnik and you have found where the problem was and you found a solution with substitution variables \%. I tried it, modified all my applications and all things about this problem work well with MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. I thank you very much. == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 15:08:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04121 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04048 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.172.150.11!news1.bellglobal.com!bellglobal.com!not-for-mail From: "Emmanuel Deschenes" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Status bar!!! Date: 26 Aug 1997 18:36:32 GMT Organization: Vigie Informatique 2000 Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bcb24e$d3cf4260$426765cc@emmanuel.vigie.qc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.101.103.66 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7552 -- Hello! I'm using Kermit 6 in Sco-Unix rel 4.2 and i need to include a status bar in my terminal screen i'm trying with xecho and echo \27[24;1H Satus bar ..\27[1;23r\27[1;1H This it's ok but when i clear screen the status bar is clear. Thank's NB: You can write me in English or French. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Emmanuel Deschenes e-mail:emmanuel@vigie.qc.ca Vigie Informatique 2000 Inc. (Montreal, Quebec) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 15:08:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04135 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04728 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news-not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Altman Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status bar!!! Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:57:33 -0400 Organization: Kermit Development Group - Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3403271D.27EF@columbia.edu> References: <01bcb24e$d3cf4260$426765cc@emmanuel.vigie.qc.ca> Reply-To: jaltman@columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp2.kermit.columbia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (WinNT; U) To: Emmanuel Deschenes Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7553 Emmanuel Deschenes wrote: > > -- Hello! > I'm using Kermit 6 in Sco-Unix rel 4.2 and i need to include a status bar > in my terminal screen i'm trying with xecho and echo \27[24;1H Satus bar > ..\27[1;23r\27[1;1H > This it's ok but when i clear screen the status bar is clear. This question is not about Kermit at all. The problem you have is that the SCO Console does not have a Status Line. So there is no escape sequence that use you can to make one. If you want to only clear part of the screen (in order to preserve the bottom line of the screen) you will have to use a combination of moving the cursor to a position, and then clearing to the top of the screen from that position. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 15:08:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04138 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA03927 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.ultrix Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!tank.news.pipex.net!pipex!nb-info.co.uk!news From: andy@nb-info.co.uk (Andy Davis) Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K X-Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-andy2.nb-info.co.uk Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: news@nb-info.co.uk (USENET News System) Organization: NB Information Limited X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (x86 32bit) References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:32:07 GMT Lines: 32 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7551 comp.unix.questions:116009 comp.unix.ultrix:31793 In article <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu>, ibeloozePLEASE_REMOVE_THIS_TO_REPLY@runet.edu says... > > I use Ultrix 4.4 and an old version of kermit. I just got a 33.6K > Practical Peripherals modem but I can not get connected at that > speed. Only 19600. This is my .kermrc file: [snip] > set speed 33600 [snip] Well, y'know, 33600 is the speed that two modems talk to each other, it isn't the speed of the TTY port. This isn't about Ultrix, it's true on anything at all... Valid RS232 speeds are: 300, 600, 1200, 2400, 4800, 9600, 19200 and 38400 Additional speeds which are non-standard, but universally used because of a quirk in the original IBM PC hardware design are: 57600 and 115200 Now, it's probably no surprise to find that your DEC Ultrix machine doesn't like 33600 as a speed. It is also unlikely to be very pleased by 57600 or 115200. If you are lucky, you just might have support for 38400, but much DEC hardware didn't support it. Chances are, the highest speed your machine will support is 19200. Andy From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 16:05:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18115 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08101 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status bar!!! Date: 26 Aug 1997 20:05:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <5tvcum$qvc$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcb24e$d3cf4260$426765cc@emmanuel.vigie.qc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7554 In article <01bcb24e$d3cf4260$426765cc@emmanuel.vigie.qc.ca>, Emmanuel Deschenes wrote: : I'm using Kermit 6 in Sco-Unix rel 4.2 and i need to include a status bar : in my terminal screen i'm trying with xecho and echo \27[24;1H Satus bar : ..\27[1;23r\27[1;1H : This it's ok but when i clear screen the status bar is clear. : C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator -- it is a (semi-)transparent communications pipe between your terminal or emulator and the remote computer or service. Escape sequences are handled by your actual emulator, such as your SCO console window, xterm, etc. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 17:47:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA13827 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13827 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-peer.bt.net!btnet-feed2!btnet!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bhars12c.bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!news From: Aaron Henderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA Card - HELP!!! Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:34:26 -0400 Organization: Nortel Lines: 26 Message-ID: <3402E972.442F@nt.com> References: <19970826005401.UAA26503@ladder02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nppki471.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7555 GazerBlue wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm running W95 on a Toshiba Satellite 110CT laptop with a USR 33.3 PCMCIA > modem card. When I try and start kermit I get two errors as follows: > > ?Warning: no hardware for this serial port > ?This port will be operated through the bios as BIOS2 > > I cannot get kermit to recognize the modem. Help..any patches, > suggestions? > > Thanks, > Eve I set up my system for COM2 and put the following in my mskermit.ini file set com2 \x02f8 set port com2 This will allow you to use this port if you have the standard IO port addressing. If you do not have a mskermit.ini then you can create one using notepad. Aaron From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 17:48:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14033 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:48:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!uky.edu!info.usuhs.mil!news.msfc.nasa.gov!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.143.2.44!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibeloozePLEASE_REMOVE_THIS_TO_REPLY@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Date: 26 Aug 1997 18:18:01 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5tv6kp$7n9@newslink.runet.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7556 comp.unix.questions:116018 comp.unix.admin:70177 comp.unix.misc:35258 comp.unix.ultrix:31794 comp.unix.shell:54233 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : You can only tell C-Kermit to set speeds that are supported by the underlying : operating system. 33600 is not such a speed. Use 38400 or 57600 or 76800 or : 115200. Read the "Using C-Kermit" manual about speed buffering, flow control, Thanks, it was exactly what I was looking. I did not realize that tty speed was not the same as modem speed. I got connected at 38400 but now I have a different problem - the screen is messed up and I have been trouble shooting it by reseting TERM, cols, rows variables but nothing seems to work. elm, tin and other shell programs use only 30 lines or so, and even that is messed up. resize and refresing (control-l) does not help. I did not have this problem at slower speeds. : error correction, and compression -- the difference between modulation speed : and interface speed, and their reconciliation, is a fundamental aspect of : modern modem communications, and is covered in depth in Appendix II of the : manual: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html : Thanks, but it is not a valid URL.at least lynx tells me so. Please help. Ilya ibelooze@runet.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 19:06:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00454 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA17943 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 19:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 26 Aug 1997 23:06:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 65 Message-ID: <5tvnhj$4rh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5tv6kp$7n9@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7557 comp.unix.questions:116021 comp.unix.admin:70178 comp.unix.misc:35260 comp.unix.ultrix:31795 comp.unix.shell:54236 In article <5tv6kp$7n9@newslink.runet.edu>, I l y a wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : You can only tell C-Kermit to set speeds that are supported by the : : underlying operating system. 33600 is not such a speed. Use 38400 or : : 57600 or 76800 or 115200. Read the "Using C-Kermit" manual about speed : : buffering, flow control, error correction, and compression -- the : : difference between modulation speed and interface speed, and their : : reconciliation, is a fundamental aspect of modern modem communications, : : Thanks, it was exactly what I was looking. I did not realize that tty : speed was not the same as modem speed. : See Appendix II, "A Condensed Guide to Serial Communications", pages 488-492. There are also other sections about this at appropriate places, e.g. "Speed and Flow Control in the Full Duplex Environment", pp.210-212. Also look at "More About Communication Speeds" on page 60. : : ... and is covered in depth in Appendix II of the manual: : : : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html : : Thanks, but it is not a valid URL.at least lynx tells me so. : It's there, really. : I got connected at 38400 but now I : have a different problem - the screen is messed up and I have been : trouble shooting it by reseting TERM, cols, rows variables but nothing : seems to work. elm, tin and other shell programs use only 30 lines or so, : and even that is messed up. resize and refresing (control-l) does not : help. I did not have this problem at slower speeds. : Then it's probably a lack of effective flow control. If you are using C-Kermit 6.0, and you give it a "set modem type xxx" command (where xxx is the kind of modem you have), and if it is a modern error-correcting, data- compressing, speed-buffering modem (as yours is), AND if your operating systems supports it, then C-Kermit automatically sets the serial port driver for RTS/CTS (hardware) flow control and also ensures that your modem is set for RTS/CTS too. You can also explicitly issue the "set flow rts/cts" command (but then you also must ensure that your modem is configured accordingly). Having said all that, however, I have to tell you that Ultrix does not support RTS/CTS flow control. But (again, as explained in the manual) when using speed buffering you MUST have an effective means of flow control BETWEEN THE COMPUTER AND THE MODEM -- as opposed to end-to-end. Your only choice (unless somebody else knows something about Ultrix that I don't know) would appear to be Xon/Xoff "software" flow control. Of course, this prevents you from using Xon (Ctrl-Q) and Xoff (Ctrl-S) as data characters on your connection. To set this up with C-Kermit 6.0: set modem type ppi ; your modem type set line /dev/tty00 ; your communication device set speed 38400 ; highest speed offered by Ultrix set flow xon/xoff ; flow control to be used by Ultrix prior to dialing. Giving the "set flow" command after the "set modem type" command overrides any mistakes that Kermit might make (hopefully none!) in choosing the appropriate flow control for this particular combination of platform and modem. Again, it's all explained in the manual. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Aug 26 23:59:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA11735 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA03254 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 23:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!nntp.info.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!newshub.csu.net!alpha.sky.net!newshub.cts.com!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: \Frpad() result is different between 3.14 and 3.15 Message-ID: Date: 26 Aug 97 11:39:13 MDT References: <3402f16f.1787782@news.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7558 In article <3402f16f.1787782@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Sorry, one more time it is me. > It seems there is a problem with \Frpad() > between MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and 3.15 > > (Please use a fixed pitch font to see correctly) > > With Kermit 3.14, the hereunder take file produce this screen : > +-----------------------------------------+ > ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! > ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! > ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! > +-----------------------------------------+ > > With Kermit 3.15, the hereunder take file produce this screen : > +-----------------------------------------+ > ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA ! > ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA)))))))))))))))))! > ! Boards : DCUB PSSB SCUA)))))))))))))))))! > +-----------------------------------------+ > > Comments please. > > Best regards, > > define SCUA Yes > define SCUB No > define DCUA No > define DCUB Yes > define PSSA No > define PSSB Yes > define Boards > if equal \m(DCUA) Yes assign Boards DCUA > if equal \m(DCUB) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) DCUB > if equal \m(PSSA) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) PSSA > if equal \m(PSSB) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) PSSB > if equal \m(SCUA) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) SCUA > if equal \m(SCUB) Yes assign Boards \m(Boards) SCUB > assign Disp \Frpad(\m(Boards),30, ) > assign \%c \Frpad(\m(Boards),30, ) > ; > echo { +----------------------------------------+} > echo { ! Boards : \Frpad(\m(Boards),30, )!} > echo { ! Boards : \m(Disp)!} > echo { ! Boards : \%c!} > echo { +----------------------------------------+} > > == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == -------- It is a bug. Found and fixed. Thanks, Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 02:10:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA05646 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA07722 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 02:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.nj.home.com!not-for-mail From: nospam@all.please (Timothy J. Luoma) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 26 Aug 1997 22:07:15 GMT Organization: none Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5tvk2j$ggu$4@ha2.rdc1.nj.home.com> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5tv6kp$7n9@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: cc344191-a.ewndsr1.nj.home.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: RadicalNews (TM) 0.9.2 Beta(i) Cc: ibelooze@runet.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7559 comp.unix.questions:116034 comp.unix.admin:70193 comp.unix.misc:35267 comp.unix.ultrix:31796 comp.unix.shell:54249 In <5tv6kp$7n9@newslink.runet.edu> I l y a wrote: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : > : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html > : > > Thanks, but it is not a valid URL.at least lynx tells me so. http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html is a perfectly valid URL Check your typing, and check that the host is up. You also might try trimming the post you are following-up-to, rather than repost the whole thing to 6 newsgroups. TjL BTW this is a BAD way to MUNGE: ibeloozePLEASE_REMOVE_THIS_TO_REPLY@runet.edu because if someone responds, then 'runet.edu' has to issue a bounce. Try this: ibelooze@runet.edu.PLEASE_REMOVE_THIS_TO_REPLY From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 07:36:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06975 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA13334 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 07:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net!nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net!not-for-mail From: "Gary Stainburn" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: storing and retrieving variables Date: 27 Aug 1997 11:27:31 GMT Organization: Ringways Garages Lines: 8 Message-ID: <01bcb2dc$3864a340$c13aa8c2@peters> NNTP-Posting-Host: p13-cormorant-gui.tch.virgin.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7560 I can store a variable using ASK but cannot display it in any way, or compare it using IF. Also I cannot initialise a variable can anyone help? Thanks Gary From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 08:29:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA11878 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15995 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.143.2.44!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Date: 27 Aug 1997 06:07:41 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7561 comp.unix.questions:116045 comp.unix.admin:70213 comp.unix.misc:35269 comp.unix.ultrix:31797 comp.unix.shell:54259 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : You need a "set modem type ppi" command before your "set line" command. : This causes C-Kermit 6.0 to adjust its many of its communications settings : to the modem -- flow control, speed buffering, etc, and of course, also : allows C-Kermit to open the device even though it is not yet asserting CD. : (In Ultrix this might not be an issue, but it is in System V and POSIX : based UNIX versions). OK, I downloaded c-kermit 6.0 from the page you indicated. I changed the speed to 38400 and I connect at that speed, but the screen is badly messed up, which suggests a control flow problem. What modem type should I put there? I have Practical Peripherals 33.6 Mini Tower modem. The following generate errors: set flow-control rts/cts set flow xon/xoff The OS is Ultrix 4.4 Thanks a lot. ================================== Ilya Beloozerov ibelooze@runet.edu ================================== From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 09:44:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24127 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA19686 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!nntp.mbnet.mb.ca!not-for-mail From: Mike Dyck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Kermit under AIX Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:44:08 -0500 Organization: MBnet - Manitoba's Connection To The Internet Lines: 23 Message-ID: <34042F27.6309A77B@sirvys.com> References: <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com> <5tsrev$fiu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3402DA3B.4C4F3A3@sirvys.com> <5turid$i03$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.45.193.125 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7562 > Maybe the other program that has the device open > is > using a system call -- in addition to the > lockfile -- > to lock the device, which causes the open() to > fail. > What is the precise message you are getting from > > C-Kermit when you try to open the device after > deleting > the lockfile? > > - Frank Ok, I logged in as root, delete the LCK file and then in kermit I tried to set line. I got the error "Permission denied". However, it I change the permissions on the modem to 666 (owner root, group system), I don't receive any errors on set line. But if I set speed or connect, it says you must set line first. Mike From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 11:02:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09880 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23693 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 27 Aug 1997 15:01:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7563 comp.unix.questions:116051 comp.unix.admin:70216 comp.unix.misc:35271 comp.unix.ultrix:31798 comp.unix.shell:54265 In article <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu>, I l y a wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : You need a "set modem type ppi" command before your "set line" command. : : This causes C-Kermit 6.0 to adjust its many of its communications settings : : to the modem -- flow control, speed buffering, etc, and of course, also : : allows C-Kermit to open the device even though it is not yet asserting CD. : : (In Ultrix this might not be an issue, but it is in System V and POSIX : : based UNIX versions). : : OK, I downloaded c-kermit 6.0 from the page you indicated. I changed the : speed to 38400 and I connect at that speed, but the screen is badly : messed up, which suggests a control flow problem. What modem type should : I put there? I have Practical Peripherals 33.6 Mini Tower modem. : If it is a Practical Peripherals modem, then you should use: set modem type ppi : The following generate errors: : : set flow-control rts/cts : set flow xon/xoff : : The OS is Ultrix 4.4 : RTS/CTS is the only kind of flow control that really works on a high-speed modem connection, but Ultrix does not support it. Therefore you have to use Xon/Xoff. But Xon/Xoff (a) has latency, and (b) is subject to loss or corruption. The VERY BEST that you can do is to ensure that Xon/Xoff is enabled LOCALLY between your Ultrix system and the modem it is attached to, NOT end-to-end between Ultrix and the computer all the way at the other end of the connection. This means you must configure your modem for LOCAL Xon/Xoff flow control. Again, please read "Using C-Kermit" on this topic. It explains it all for you in great detail. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 11:02:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10016 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23697 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: storing and retrieving variables Date: 27 Aug 1997 15:02:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <5u1fig$n3q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcb2dc$3864a340$c13aa8c2@peters> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7564 In article <01bcb2dc$3864a340$c13aa8c2@peters>, Gary Stainburn wrote: : I can store a variable using ASK but cannot display it in any way, or : compare it using IF. Also I cannot initialise a variable : : can anyone help? : Not unless you show us the commands you are trying to use. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 11:06:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10779 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23992 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Kermit under AIX Date: 27 Aug 1997 15:06:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5u1fq7$n8t$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com> <3402DA3B.4C4F3A3@sirvys.com> <5turid$i03$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <34042F27.6309A77B@sirvys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7565 In article <34042F27.6309A77B@sirvys.com>, Mike Dyck wrote: : > Maybe the other program that has the device open is : > using a system call -- in addition to the lockfile -- : > to lock the device, which causes the open() to fail. : > What is the precise message you are getting from : > C-Kermit when you try to open the device after : > deleting the lockfile? : > : > - Frank : : Ok, I logged in as root, delete the LCK file and then : in kermit I tried to set line. I got the error : "Permission denied". However, it I change the : permissions on the modem to 666 (owner root, group : system), I don't receive any errors on set line. But : if I set speed or connect, it says you must set line : first. : You mean if you "set speed" or "connect" *after* you SET LINE? That makes no sense. SET LINE opens the device. Once the device is open, Kermit has a file descriptor on it, which it can use to change the speed, do reads and writes, etc. This should be true EVEN IF some other process has changed the device or lockfile permissions back to what they were before behind its back. Please record a transcript of the session, and then follow up by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 13:12:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA11889 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00208 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!geest3 From: geest3+@pitt.edu (Gregg E Economou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 27 Aug 1997 17:06:55 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: unixs-eval.cis.pitt.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7566 comp.unix.questions:116057 comp.unix.admin:70220 comp.unix.misc:35273 comp.unix.ultrix:31799 comp.unix.shell:54269 In article <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >RTS/CTS is the only kind of flow control that really works on a high-speed >modem connection, but Ultrix does not support it. Therefore you have to use what version of ultrix are you talking about? the hardware doesent support it on a DS2100-3100 but afaik ultrix supports it. Now, depending on the hardware, you dont have support for 38400 baud connections. Also, if this is on a DS5000/xxx then you should check the 19200-38400 high speed external clock generation setting, because speeds above 9600 are supported by an external clock supplying timing to the two "serial" lines going out of the DZ. (the other two, kb and mouse, are fixed at the proper settings for their uses) Anwyays, the garbage is probably data at the wrong baud rate, if you dont see anything at all intelligible. Errors in the flow control would give you garbled pieces of data, not complete garbled data. At any rate, try the same connection at 19200 and 9600 because you might not have the serial line configured properly. Also, if youre suing a serial console, you cannot apply different external clocks to the two serial lines ( e.g. one cannto be at 38400 and the other at 19200) because there is only one external clock generator for the DZ. (and the pulses are shared by both lines, if the bit is set to turn on the higher speed external clocks) To change the settings, fire the machine up and type help at the chevron. Its one of the environment variables avaiable from there. (not owning a '5000 myself, i dont rmember what the exact name is. On the 3100-2100 it is bauda but its probly different on the 5000's) isildur From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 13:38:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19512 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA01534 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.ultrix Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 27 Aug 1997 17:38:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5u1om9$rqn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7567 comp.unix.ultrix:31800 In article <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, Gregg E Economou wrote: : In article <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : >RTS/CTS is the only kind of flow control that really works on a high-speed : >modem connection, but Ultrix does not support it. Therefore you have to use : : what version of ultrix are you talking about? : The original poster was talking about Ultrix 4.4. : the hardware doesent support it on a DS2100-3100 but afaik ultrix : supports it. : In an earlier posting I qualified this with something like "unless somebody else out there knows something about Ultrix that I don't know". Anyway, thanks for the useful info about external clocks and such, but can you explain how Ultrix uses RTS/CTS? What is the API? I can't find any reference to it in the header files or "man -k", at least not on an Ultrix 4.3C system. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 13:47:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA21580 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02011 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 13:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news3.cac.psu.edu!hrbicf!mts From: mts@icf.hrb.com (Mark T. Shirey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 100 percent, but not "completed"? Message-ID: <1997Aug27.120830.25366@hrbicf> Date: 27 Aug 97 12:08:30 EST Organization: HRB Systems, Inc. Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7568 When "kermitting" a small text file (with no control chars) from a Sun C-Kermit to a PC MS-DOS Kermit using 2400 baud radio modems, it sometimes doesn't start transferring right away (which may be due to some delays built in to the modems/radios), and it _never_ completes correctly. The bar graph shows 100% of the file has been transferred, but the PC Kermit (receiving) keeps waiting and refuses to say "Completed" and eventually says "Failed" after a few retries. The PACKET.LOG from SET LOG PACK says "Too many retries." at the bottom. Any suggestions? -- Mark Shirey mts@hrb.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 14:02:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25935 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02760 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 100 percent, but not "completed"? Date: 27 Aug 1997 18:02:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5u1q31$sj1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1997Aug27.120830.25366@hrbicf> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7569 In article <1997Aug27.120830.25366@hrbicf>, Mark T. Shirey wrote: : When "kermitting" a small text file (with no control chars) : from a Sun C-Kermit to a PC MS-DOS Kermit using 2400 baud radio modems, : it sometimes doesn't start transferring right away (which may be due to : some delays built in to the modems/radios), : and it _never_ completes correctly. : : The bar graph shows 100% of the file has been transferred, but the : PC Kermit (receiving) keeps waiting and refuses to say "Completed" : and eventually says "Failed" after a few retries. : : The PACKET.LOG from SET LOG PACK says "Too many retries." at the bottom. : : Any suggestions? : Send packet logs from both ends to us at kermit-support@columbia.edu. My guess is that the file was indeed transferred 100%, but the connection is closed or otherwise clobbered before the last couple "bureaucratic" packets are successfully exchanged ("I'm done", "OK I know you're done" "OK now I know that you know I'm done", etc). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 14:02:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25968 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA02765 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: storing and retrieving variables Message-ID: <8IbO7ONq1$xA@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Aug 97 09:59:54 MDT References: <01bcb2dc$3864a340$c13aa8c2@peters> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7570 In article <01bcb2dc$3864a340$c13aa8c2@peters>, "Gary Stainburn" writes: > I can store a variable using ASK but cannot display it in any way, or > compare it using IF. Also I cannot initialise a variable > > can anyone help? > Thanks > Gary ------------ Perhaps the choice of words is getting in the way. Which Kermit, please? ASK foobar speak> speak> this is fluff show macro foobar FOOBAR = this is fluff echo the contents of foobar are \m(foobar) the contents of foobar are this is fluff A variable, foobar, is created by the ASK command. Its contents are created at the same time, which in this example is the string "this is fluff". SHOW MAC is a quick way to list what's defined. \m(variable-name) replaces that expression with the definition string of the variable. IF eq {\m(foobar)} {this is fluff} echo they are the same is an example of an IF statement matching strings, where { } enclose the strings. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 18:09:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03487 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA14329 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 17:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!baron.netcom.net.uk!netcom.net.uk!news-peer.bt.net!btnet-feed2!btnet!bmdhh222.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrtphc11.bnr.ca!brtph500.bnr.ca!news From: Aaron Henderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit Quick Reference? Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:16:20 -0400 Organization: Nortel Lines: 8 Message-ID: <340428A4.5136@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nppki471.bnr.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7571 It's good to see Frank is active in this group. I hope he or someone else may help me locate a quick reference guide for C-Kermit. I am trying to get some co-wokers more involved in using Kermit and I would like to have this tool to help me. Thanks, Aaron Henderson cmwah01@nt.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 18:21:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04984 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA15882 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 18:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!Cup.DSG.Stanford.EDU!jonathan From: jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 27 Aug 1997 22:04:29 GMT Organization: Stanford Distributed Systems Group Lines: 54 Sender: jonathan@Cup.DSG.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) Message-ID: <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Reply-To: jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: cup.dsg.stanford.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7572 comp.unix.questions:116074 comp.unix.admin:70237 comp.unix.misc:35282 comp.unix.ultrix:31801 comp.unix.shell:54283 In article <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, geest3+@pitt.edu (Gregg E Economou) writes: > In article <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > >RTS/CTS is the only kind of flow control that really works on a high-speed > >modem connection, but Ultrix does not support it. Therefore you have to use > > the hardware doesent support it on a DS2100-3100 but afaik ultrix supports > it. Now, depending on the hardware, you dont have support for 38400 > baud connections. Also, if this is on a DS5000/xxx then you should check > the 19200-38400 high speed external clock generation setting, > because speeds above 9600 are supported by an external clock supplying > timing to the two "serial" lines going out of the DZ. Sorry, this is *still* not quite right. * The four-port dz-11 clone chip on 2100s and 3100s doesn't support RTS/CTS at all. * The 5000/200 supports full modem control on both RS-232 DB-25 bulkheads. * The dc7085 chip does *NOT*, repeat *NOT* do 19200 baud. It acutally does 19600 or thereabouts. (The exta/extb clock is not quite right, perhaps for bug compatiblity with DZ-11s). This doesn't always work with true 19200 devices. * Ultrix does *NOT* support 38400 on the dz-clone ports on the 5000/240. Switching between 19200 and 38400 is done by toggling a bit on the system-control chip on the motherboard. That changes the meaning of the `19200' speed setting for all DC ports, so that they do 38400 when 19200 is selected. The only way to get 38400 on a 5000/200 with Ultrix is to frob the system interrupt controller-register bit from the PROM before booting, and then hope that Ultrix never sets it back:) The preferred Ultrix software interface for ttys is POSIX-compatible termios. I have no idea what C-Kermit uses. However -- I suspect that the original poster has a 5000/{20,25,33,50}, 5000/{120,125,133,150}, or a 5000/{240,260}. These machines have standard Zilog 8530 SCC chips (or clones), and can do up to 57.6 before the BRG clock gets too low to reliably sample bits. Ultrix supports up to 38.4. NetBSD, OTOH, supports up to 230.6, but you need synch clocking. (DECstation 5000s can output asynch up to 115.2 perfectly, but cannot reliably unframe RS-232 at speeds above 57600, because the SCC clock multiplier is too low to reliably sample the start bits at that speed.) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Aug 27 23:38:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18111 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA02126 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:38:05 -0400 (EDT) From: stefand@ibm.net (Stefan A. Deutscher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Quick Reference? References: <340428A4.5136@nt.com> Organization: Lunatic asylum Reply-To: sad@utk.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.3.2 OS/2) NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.241.156 Message-ID: <3404f266.0@news1.ibm.net> Date: 28 Aug 97 03:37:10 GMT Lines: 22 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!stefand Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7573 On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:16:20 -0400, Aaron Henderson wrote: >It's good to see Frank is active in this group. I hope he or someone >else may help me locate a quick reference guide for C-Kermit. I am >trying to get some co-wokers more involved in using Kermit and I would >like to have this tool to help me. Well, the Book Using C-Kermit, 2nd edition is the best quick reference quide I have found and the 54 $ or so were well spent considering that time is money. In fact, for the commercial solutions (Kermit 95 for OS/2 in my case and Kermit 95 for Windoze for a lot of other people) the book comes with the programme for that price. Cheers! Stefan -- ============================================================================ Stefan A. Deutscher | (+1-423-) voice fax The University of Tennessee, Knoxville | UTK : 974-7838 974-7843 Department of Physics and Astronomy | ORNL : 574-5897 574-1118 401, A. H. Nielsen Building | home : 522-7845 522-7845 Knoxville, T.N. 37996-1200, USA | email: sad@utk.edu ============================================================================ Dictated with OS/2 Warp 4 VoiceType dictation. Using slrn 0.9.3.2 offline. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 28 05:21:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA11253 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA17257 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 05:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.143.2.44!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Date: 28 Aug 1997 03:14:37 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <5u2qet$rg6@newslink.runet.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7574 comp.unix.questions:116086 comp.unix.admin:70253 comp.unix.misc:35287 comp.unix.ultrix:31802 comp.unix.shell:54296 Gregg E Economou (geest3+@pitt.edu) wrote: : what version of ultrix are you talking about? Ultrix 4.4 : the hardware doesent support it on a DS2100-3100 but afaik ultrix supports : it. Now, depending on the hardware, you dont have support for 38400 : baud connections. Also, if this is on a DS5000/xxx then you should check : the 19200-38400 high speed external clock generation setting, : because speeds above 9600 are supported by an external clock supplying : timing to the two "serial" lines going out of the DZ. : (the other two, kb and mouse, are fixed at the proper settings for their : uses) Anwyays, the garbage is probably data at the wrong baud rate, : if you dont see anything at all intelligible. Errors in the flow : control would give you garbled pieces of data, not complete garbled : data. At any rate, try the same connection at 19200 and 9600 because : you might not have the serial line configured properly. Everything works perfectly at 19200 but not 38400, at this speed the screen is messed up and I do know what to do. Should I sell my 33.6K modem and go back to 14.4 which worked flawlessly? This is ridiculous. : Also, if youre suing a serial console, you cannot apply different external : clocks to the two serial lines ( e.g. one cannto be at 38400 and the : other at 19200) because there is only one external clock generator for the DZ. : (and the pulses are shared by both lines, if the bit is set to turn on the : higher speed external clocks) So what exactly am I supposed to change and configure and in what files? : To change the settings, fire the machine up and type help at the chevron. What is chevron? This makes no sense to me. : Its one of the environment variables avaiable from there. (not owning : a '5000 myself, i dont rmember what the exact name is. On the 3100-2100 : it is bauda but its probly different on the 5000's) Thanks for the help, but could you be a little more specific? Ilya From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 28 07:09:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA18356 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23289 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.143.2.44!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Date: 28 Aug 1997 03:19:47 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5u2qoj$rg6@newslink.runet.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7575 comp.unix.questions:116092 comp.unix.admin:70256 comp.unix.misc:35289 comp.unix.ultrix:31803 comp.unix.shell:54302 Jonathan Stone (jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : However -- I suspect that the original poster has a : 5000/{20,25,33,50}, 5000/{120,125,133,150}, or a 5000/{240,260}. That is correct, 5000/20, Ultrix 4.4. Thanks for the nice theoretical discussion, but I just want to get have normal, not messed up screen at 38400 speeds and I would like to know the simplest way to do get that. Like, step 1, step 2, step 3. It seems like a simple flow of control problem. : NetBSD, OTOH, supports up to 230.6, but you need synch clocking. : : (DECstation 5000s can output asynch up to 115.2 perfectly, but cannot : reliably unframe RS-232 at speeds above 57600, because the SCC clock : multiplier is too low to reliably sample the start bits at that : speed.) OK, that is nice, but what is the solution. I connect at 38400, like the .kermrc file says, but the screen is still messed up, unlike at 19200, and none of the programs like elm, tin and less work correctly. What should I do? Thanks. Ilya From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Aug 28 10:23:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17877 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03316 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 28 Aug 1997 14:23:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5u41kn$5sb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7576 comp.unix.questions:116097 comp.unix.admin:70263 comp.unix.misc:35291 comp.unix.ultrix:31805 comp.unix.shell:54311 In article <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, Jonathan Stone wrote: : The preferred Ultrix software interface for ttys is POSIX-compatible : termios. I have no idea what C-Kermit uses. : Not to prolong this unnecessarily, but C-Kermit supports all versions of Ultrix back to 1.0, which probably predates POSIX.1. I'm perfectly willing to add any code necessary to support higher serial speeds and hardware flow control, but I have yet to see any evidence that these are supported by any version of Ultrix. If there is an API that I don't know about, plese let me know (a) what it is, and (b) in exactly which Ultrix version it first appeared, so I can add support for it in a way that does not break C-Kermit for earlier Ultrix versions. I have access to exactly one Ultrix system (4.3C), and searching through /usr/include/*.h and /usr/include/sys/*.h does not turn up any B57600 or higher symbols, nor any of the commonly used symbols associated with hardware flow control (CRTSCTS, RTSXOFF, CTSXON, ...) Have I missed something? Finally, regarding all the jumpers, external clocks, etc, obviously those are not Kermit issues, but I trust that if some Ultrix version supports some baud rate, say B57600, and the software tries to set it on a physical device that does not support it, that the driver will return the appropriate error status code. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 29 13:13:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA05341 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12515 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:13:41 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Quick Reference? Date: 28 Aug 1997 06:57:36 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 21 Message-ID: <5u2648$kh8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <340428A4.5136@nt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsspool.sol.net!munnari.OZ.AU!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!ns.saard.net!news.camtech.net.au!morse.satech.net.au!news.adl.auslink.net!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7577 Aaron Henderson (cmwah01@nt.com) wrote: : It's good to see Frank is active in this group. I hope he or someone : else may help me locate a quick reference guide for C-Kermit. I am : trying to get some co-wokers more involved in using Kermit and I would : like to have this tool to help me. : Thanks, : Aaron Henderson : cmwah01@nt.com Have a look at ckuker.nr in the C-Kermit 6.0.192 distribution. I copied that to /opt/man/man1/kermit.1 and can do man kermit -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Aug 29 14:20:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA18675 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16294 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!128.143.2.44!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibeloozePLEASE_REMOVE_THIS_TO_REPLY@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: My screen is messed up, please help Date: 26 Aug 1997 18:50:20 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <5tv8hc$7qn@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7578 comp.unix.questions:116156 comp.unix.admin:70320 comp.unix.misc:35309 comp.unix.ultrix:31808 comp.unix.shell:54363 Hello, I already mentioned this in the "can not get connected at 33.6K" thread. Thanks for all the input. I did not realize that tty speed was not same as modem speed. I upgraded to a 33.6K Practical Peripherals modem and have problem with terminal display. elm, tin, and other shell programs refuse to use the entire screen when I connect at 38400. I have no problems at all at 19200 bps. I have encountered this screen problem before and I tried to debug it by resetting the TERM (to vt-100 and vt-pib), cols, rows variables, but unsuccessfully. 'resize' did not help. Refreshing with Control-l does not help. It seems like a really simple problem with configuration but I just can not figure it out. Any suggestions? Thanks. Other info: I connect from an Ultrix 4.4 machine to a Solaris machine, using an old version of kermit or tip. The modem is Practical Peripherals 33.6 Mini-Tower. I run zsh or tcsh. I don't know if getting a newer kermit will help. Thanks a lot. --------------------------------------------------------------- ibelooze @ Ilya Beloozerov Please take out "REMOVE_THIS" runet.edu in the return address to reply. --------------------------------------------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 30 04:41:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA27602 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 04:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA27195 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 04:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!eerie.fr!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: read \&c[1] does not change the value of the array element Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:36:02 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 29 Message-ID: <3405a590.4114629@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: par12.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7580 Hello, it seems there is a problem with read {array element} with MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 The command for \%i 1 4 1 {read \&c[\%i]} does not change the content of the array element, the command for \%i 1 4 1 {read \%a,assign \&c[\%i] \%a} does Comments please. Best regards, for \%i 1 4 1 {assign \&c[\%i] Line \%i} for \%i 1 4 1 {Echo {Must be Line : \&c[\%i]}} echo open write ENTRYPTS.DAT for \%i 1 4 1 {write file Line \%i\13\10} close write-file ; for \%i 1 4 1 {assign \&c[\%i] Test \%i} for \%i 1 4 1 {Echo {Must be Test : \&c[\%i]}} echo open read ENTRYPTS.DAT for \%i 1 4 1 {read \&c[\%i]} close read-file for \%i 1 4 1 {Echo {Must be Line : \&c[\%i]}} echo == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 30 05:23:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04449 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 05:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA29389 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 05:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!Cup.DSG.Stanford.EDU!jonathan From: jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 30 Aug 1997 09:17:55 GMT Organization: Stanford Distributed Systems Group Lines: 16 Sender: jonathan@Cup.DSG.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) Message-ID: <5u8og3$1ff$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5tupoe$gra$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u0g7d$f6o@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5u2qoj$rg6@newslink.runet.edu> Reply-To: jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: cup.dsg.stanford.edu To: ibelooze@runet.edu (I l y a) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7581 comp.unix.questions:116190 comp.unix.admin:70342 comp.unix.misc:35315 comp.unix.ultrix:31810 comp.unix.shell:54386 In article <5u2qoj$rg6@newslink.runet.edu>, ibelooze@runet.edu (I l y a) writes: > Jonathan Stone (jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU) wrote: > : However -- I suspect that the original poster has a > : 5000/{20,25,33,50}, 5000/{120,125,133,150}, or a 5000/{240,260}. > > That is correct, 5000/20, Ultrix 4.4. Thanks for the nice theoretical > discussion, but I just want to get have normal, not messed up screen at > 38400 speeds and I would like to know the simplest way to do get that. > Like, step 1, step 2, step 3. It seems like a simple flow of control > problem. I could, but step 0 would be: 0) Install NetBSD which might not be satisfactory. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 30 05:51:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA10468 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 05:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00750 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 05:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!Cup.DSG.Stanford.EDU!jonathan From: jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 30 Aug 1997 09:48:32 GMT Organization: Stanford Distributed Systems Group Lines: 52 Sender: jonathan@Cup.DSG.Stanford.EDU (Jonathan Stone) Message-ID: <5u8q9g$1ff$2@nntp.Stanford.EDU> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5u41kn$5sb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU NNTP-Posting-Host: cup.dsg.stanford.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7582 comp.unix.questions:116191 comp.unix.admin:70343 comp.unix.misc:35316 comp.unix.ultrix:31811 comp.unix.shell:54387 In article <5u41kn$5sb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, > Jonathan Stone wrote: > : The preferred Ultrix software interface for ttys is POSIX-compatible > : termios. I have no idea what C-Kermit uses. > : > Not to prolong this unnecessarily, but C-Kermit supports all versions of > Ultrix back to 1.0, which probably predates POSIX.1. Do you mean version 1 of Ultrix-11 or of ultrix32/ultrix-32m? All predate 1988, and therefore POSIX.1. I'd be pleasantly suprised if C-Kermit links successfully on Ultrix-11 systems with split I/D, and hugely suprised if it links on Ultrix-11 systems without split I/D. (ISTR early Ultrix relases ran on 11/34s.) Still, I assume you know this best... > I'm perfectly willing > to add any code necessary to support higher serial speeds and hardware flow > control, but I have yet to see any evidence that these are supported by any > version of Ultrix. Ummm, have you tried ioctl(fd, TIOCMSET, ....)? AFAIK this ioctl is present in Ultrix 4.0 and was used by SLIP and PPP, though it may not be documented anywhere, and may not have been in earlier versions. Ask someone with access to Ultrix source code for the mode bits to enable RTS and CTS; I beleive they're device-independent, at least for DECstations. > Finally, regarding all the jumpers, external clocks, etc, obviously those > are not Kermit issues, but I trust that if some Ultrix version supports > some baud rate, say B57600, and the software tries to set it on a physical > device that does not support it, that the driver will return the appropriate > error status code. Obviously jumpers and external clocks are not Kermit issues. My apologies. But this thread *is* quite widely cross-posted, including comp.unix.ultrix. The things I referred to earlier were hardware issues. I was specifically correcting some not-quite-correct posts about what DECstation _hardware_ is capable, which I read on comp.unix.ultrix. (NetBSD is on-topic there, and NetBSD supports hardware features that Ultrix doesn't.) As best I know, Ultrix itself does not support speeds above 38400. Supporting NetBSD-specific DECstation features (like speeds above 38400 or modem control) is something we should probably discuss via e-mail, if it needs any explicit support at all. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 30 14:01:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24594 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25643 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Two problems with arrays in MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:51:34 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 43 Message-ID: <34085a7f.81052@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parb18.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7583 Sorry, I don't want to take out a season-ticket to this group but.... ;-) I discovered two problems with arrays (\&[]) : First : declare \&e[0] does not empty the last element. declare \&d[5] for \%i 1 5 1 {def \&d[\%i] No} for \%i 1 5 1 {echo \%i - (\&d[\%i])} ; echo {Element 4 and 5 must be empty with declare \\&d[0]} declare \&d[0] declare \&d[5] for \%i 1 3 1 {def \&d[\%i] Ys} for \%i 1 5 1 {echo \%i - (\&d[\%i])} ; echo {Element 5 is empty with def \\&d[5]} def \&d[5] for \%i 1 5 1 {echo \%i - (\&d[\%i])} Second : writing an empty array element into a file does very strange things and can crash the system ; Save this into a take file myfile.tak ; Launch Kermit 3.15 ; Type take myfile.tak ; and the system crash if the last element of the array is empty ; declare \&e[5] for \%i 1 4 1 {def \&e[\%i] No} open write file Test.dat write file \&e[1]\13\10 write file \&e[2]\13\10 write file \&e[3]\13\10 write file \&e[4]\13\10 write file \&e[5]\13\10 close write-file Comments please. Best regards, == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 30 14:24:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA28339 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26825 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: read \&c[1] does not change the value of the array element Message-ID: <1K7GSuoXGEbT@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Aug 97 11:11:11 MDT References: <3405a590.4114629@news.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7584 In article <3405a590.4114629@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Hello, it seems there is a problem with read {array element} with MS-DOS > Kermit 3.15 > > The command for \%i 1 4 1 {read \&c[\%i]} does not change the content of > the array element, the command for \%i 1 4 1 {read \%a,assign \&c[\%i] \%a} > does > > Comments please. > > Best regards, > > for \%i 1 4 1 {assign \&c[\%i] Line \%i} > for \%i 1 4 1 {Echo {Must be Line : \&c[\%i]}} > echo > open write ENTRYPTS.DAT > for \%i 1 4 1 {write file Line \%i\13\10} > close write-file > ; > for \%i 1 4 1 {assign \&c[\%i] Test \%i} > for \%i 1 4 1 {Echo {Must be Test : \&c[\%i]}} > echo > open read ENTRYPTS.DAT > for \%i 1 4 1 {read \&c[\%i]} > close read-file > for \%i 1 4 1 {Echo {Must be Line : \&c[\%i]}} > echo --------------- That's a real bug. It is now fixed, thanks to your report. For those who have an interest in internal matters, arrays have a special problem in that an array element's identification has both the name of the array and possibly a substitution variable as a subscript, all in one syntatical unit. In certain situations we wish retain the name portion of the array, say \&c, but also to replace the possible substitution variable subscript with its value. We see this above in read \&c[\%i] where we need to retain \&c[value] literally as the place where results go. In other situations, such as Echo \&c[\%i], we wish to replace the sub variable \%i with its value and also replace the array element with its value. The different approaches are dictated by whether the array element is a destination (left hand side of a replacement operation, an "l-value") or a source term (right hand side) in an expression. The READ command failed to signal l-value-ness for arrays. Thanks, Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Aug 30 18:20:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07754 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:20:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA08529 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Two problems with arrays in MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Message-ID: Date: 30 Aug 97 15:37:54 MDT References: <34085a7f.81052@news.calvacom.fr> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 61 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7585 In article <34085a7f.81052@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) writes: > Sorry, I don't want to take out a season-ticket to this group but.... ;-) > > I discovered two problems with arrays (\&[]) : > > First : declare \&e[0] does not empty the last element. It does, but the last element is index value (array size - 1). That is, like C, elements start with subscript/index 0. > declare \&d[5] Declares an array of five elements, \&d[0]..\&d[4]. > for \%i 1 5 1 {def \&d[\%i] No} Does nothing with last element (out of bounds) > for \%i 1 5 1 {echo \%i - (\&d[\%i])} > ; > echo {Element 4 and 5 must be empty with declare \\&d[0]} > declare \&d[0] > declare \&d[5] > for \%i 1 3 1 {def \&d[\%i] Ys} > for \%i 1 5 1 {echo \%i - (\&d[\%i])} > ; > echo {Element 5 is empty with def \\&d[5]} > def \&d[5] > for \%i 1 5 1 {echo \%i - (\&d[\%i])} > > Second : writing an empty array element into a file does very strange > things and can crash the system Yup, and that's another bug which was fixed in the previous message, though not mentioned there. > ; Save this into a take file myfile.tak > ; Launch Kermit 3.15 > ; Type take myfile.tak > ; and the system crash if the last element of the array is empty > ; > declare \&e[5] > for \%i 1 4 1 {def \&e[\%i] No} > open write file Test.dat Syntax error: OPEN WRITE filename. Your filename is FILE here. > write file \&e[1]\13\10 > write file \&e[2]\13\10 > write file \&e[3]\13\10 > write file \&e[4]\13\10 > write file \&e[5]\13\10 > close write-file > > Comments please. > > Best regards, > == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == Thanks, appreciated. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 31 15:52:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA12776 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11940 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 15:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in5.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Date: 31 Aug 1997 15:21:26 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <5uc25m$2in@newslink.runet.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5u1fh6$n39$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u1mrf$il7@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5u41kn$5sb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u8q9g$1ff$2@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: muselab.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7586 comp.unix.questions:116222 comp.unix.admin:70409 comp.unix.misc:35329 comp.unix.ultrix:31813 comp.unix.shell:54418 Jonathan Stone (jonathan@DSG.Stanford.EDU) wrote: : : Obviously jumpers and external clocks are not Kermit issues. : My apologies. All of this is very informative, but it still does not solve the problem. I still get 'messed up' screen after I log onto shell account. Which means programs like elm and tin are unusable. I do, however, get connected at 38400. It is just that characters are not displayed fast enough, or maybe too fast and take only 1/2 of the screen. Originally I thought some of the shell variables like TERM or cols or rows were not set correctly, but reseting these to different values made no difference. Running different shells made no difference, of course. : As best I know, Ultrix itself does not support speeds above 38400. : Supporting NetBSD-specific DECstation features (like speeds above : 38400 or modem control) is something we should probably discuss via : e-mail, if it needs any explicit support at all. I see, but I am talking about 38400, not speeds above it. I heard something about UART (sp) chip not being to support this. (Running Ultrix 4.4 on DEC5000/20, an old version of kermit or tip, or c-kermit 6.0) ================================== Ilya Beloozerov ibelooze@runet.edu ================================== From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Aug 31 17:59:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03383 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA18214 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!199.45.255.100!coop.net!pacifier!news.pacifier.com!mikef From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HANGUP/ATHANGUP Date: 31 Aug 1997 18:52:00 GMT Organization: National Federation of the Blind of Washington Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5ucegg$jsi$1@news.pacifier.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7588 In Ms-Kermit V3.14 and V3.15, is there a way to get the "ATHANGUP" macro to execute when a user types the HANGUP instruction rather than the original HANGUP instruction code? Thanks. -- Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ .. I doubt, therefore I might be. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 1 04:13:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25338 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 04:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA15661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 04:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HANGUP/ATHANGUP Message-ID: Date: 31 Aug 97 22:27:11 MDT References: <5ucegg$jsi$1@news.pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7590 In article <5ucegg$jsi$1@news.pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > In Ms-Kermit V3.14 and V3.15, is there a way to get the "ATHANGUP" macro > to execute when a user types the HANGUP instruction rather than the > original HANGUP instruction code? -------- No, I'm sorry, but HANGUP is an intrinsic command, not a macro which can be removed or replaced. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 1 11:54:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27681 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28322 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.ultrix,comp.unix.shell Subject: Re: Do not get connected at 33.6K Date: 1 Sep 1997 15:53:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <5ueoek$3io$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5tsn5b$o9q@newslink.runet.edu> <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> <5u41kn$5sb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5u8q9g$1ff$2@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7591 comp.unix.questions:116246 comp.unix.admin:70427 comp.unix.misc:35339 comp.unix.ultrix:31820 comp.unix.shell:54438 In article <5u8q9g$1ff$2@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, Jonathan Stone wrote: : In article <5u41kn$5sb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > In article <5u289d$3qi$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU>, : > Jonathan Stone wrote: : > : The preferred Ultrix software interface for ttys is POSIX-compatible : > : termios. I have no idea what C-Kermit uses. : > : : > Not to prolong this unnecessarily, but C-Kermit supports all versions of : > Ultrix back to 1.0, which probably predates POSIX.1. : : Do you mean version 1 of Ultrix-11 or of ultrix32/ultrix-32m? All : predate 1988, and therefore POSIX.1. I'd be pleasantly suprised if : C-Kermit links successfully on Ultrix-11 systems with split I/D, and : hugely suprised if it links on Ultrix-11 systems without split I/D. : (ISTR early Ultrix relases ran on 11/34s.) : I too would be hugely surprised at the latter, but I don't have access to any Ultrix-11 systems to try it, nor has anybody else ever reported back to me about it. However, I am (still) able to build C-Kermit on PDP-11s with 2.xBSD by using overlays, and I assume Ultrix-11 could follow a similar path, especially since it, too, is BSD-based. If anyone out there still uses Ultrix-11, I'd be happy to work with them on getting the latest C-Kermit working there. : Still, I assume you know this best... : > I'm perfectly willing to add any code necessary to support higher serial : > speeds and hardware flow control, but I have yet to see any evidence that : > these are supported by any version of Ultrix. : : Ummm, have you tried ioctl(fd, TIOCMSET, ....)? : That's not flow control. Flow control has to be done by the driver, not the application. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 00:12:04 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24431 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA06523 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 00:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.60.229.5!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!newsserver.pacific.net.sg!not-for-mail From: Robert Ong Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scaled Down Version Of Kermit-95 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 12:10:01 -0700 Organization: Subscriber, Pacific Internet, Singapore Lines: 18 Message-ID: <340C6489.3DE1@pacific.net.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: dyn94ppp166.pacific.net.sg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0C-PIOCT96 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7592 Hi, Does anyone know if a scaled-down / crippled version of Kermit-95 is available for evaluation? I work in an environment where is it rather difficult to obtain any form of petty cash to buy software just for evaluation. We are currently using Kermit 3.14 (DOS) and on the DEC-Unix, and so far have no problems. We are moving over to the Win-95 platform, and would like to see how easy it would be to define function keys, navigation on the desktop, telnet into our network, etc before committing. We are also looking at Ericomm, which is rather good, but would like to stay with Kermit-95. Thanks Robert From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 04:25:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA02848 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA15555 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!infeed1.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!het.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "Cor Kooter" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Xenix 2.3.2 Date: 2 Sep 1997 08:10:28 GMT Organization: Yule Catto & Co plc Lines: 18 Message-ID: <01bcb777$ccf300c0$2484f1c3@omnibook> NNTP-Posting-Host: ehvn1-p36.worldonline.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7593 Hello, I am looking for an ancient version of kermit. It should run under Xenix release 2.3.2 version SysV, on our i80386 PC. The system was delivered without any kermit or xmodem etc. The aim is to transfer data from the machine (in ASCII) to be processed and used as import for an application on another machine. Only other option I have is to use the 5 1/4" drive (requires 200 floppies, due to size), so that's no option. Regards, Cor From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 05:02:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA09204 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA17395 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 05:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.panix.com!usenet From: Brian Downing Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Kermit under AIX Date: 02 Sep 1997 05:01:49 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <3401ECBA.5DA34A95@sirvys.com> <5tsrev$fiu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3402DA3B.4C4F3A3@sirvys.com> <5turid$i03$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <34042F27.6309A77B@sirvys.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: panix.com X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.4.8/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7594 Mike Dyck writes: > > Maybe the other program that has the device open > > is > > using a system call -- in addition to the > > lockfile -- > > to lock the device, which causes the open() to > > fail. > > What is the precise message you are getting from > > > > C-Kermit when you try to open the device after > > deleting > > the lockfile? > > > > - Frank > > Ok, I logged in as root, delete the LCK > file and then in kermit I tried to set line. I > got the error "Permission denied". However, it I > change the permissions on the modem to 666 (owner > root, group system), I don't receive any errors on > set line. But if I set speed or connect, it says > you must set line first. > Mike > If getty is listening on that tty you may have trouble too. Try pdisable or pshare on that tty before running kermit. -- [ Brian Downing ][ If there is a hell ] [ bsd@panix.com ][ its fires wait for them ] [ '97 ZX7R ][ not us. -FZ ] From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 09:56:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16364 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA02993 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Xenix 2.3.2 Date: 2 Sep 1997 13:56:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5uh5ue$ajh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcb777$ccf300c0$2484f1c3@omnibook> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7595 In article <01bcb777$ccf300c0$2484f1c3@omnibook>, Cor Kooter wrote: : I am looking for an ancient version of kermit. It should run under Xenix : release 2.3.2 version SysV, on our i80386 PC. The system was delivered : without any kermit or xmodem etc. The aim is to transfer data from the : machine (in ASCII) to be processed and used as import for an application : on another machine. : I don't think you have to settle for an old version of Kermit. We have a selection of C-Kermit 6.0.192 binaries (the current version) for SCO Xenix 2.3.x (they were built under 2.3.4, but should run under 2.3.2 also). You can find them at our website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html If you have the SDK (C compiler etc) installed, you can also build from source code. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 09:58:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16757 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03018 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scaled Down Version Of Kermit-95 Date: 2 Sep 1997 13:58:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <5uh62a$akk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <340C6489.3DE1@pacific.net.sg> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7596 In article <340C6489.3DE1@pacific.net.sg>, Robert Ong wrote: : Does anyone know if a scaled-down / crippled version of Kermit-95 is : available for evaluation? : : I work in an environment where is it rather difficult to obtain any : form of petty cash to buy software just for evaluation. : Why don't you just talk to us directly about this? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 12:23:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19832 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10430 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.apfel.de!univ-lyon1.fr!pasteur.fr!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Two problems with arrays in MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Date: Tue, 02 Sep 1997 16:18:29 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 35 Message-ID: <340c3bc1.101634@news.calvacom.fr> References: <34085a7f.81052@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parb08.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7597 the 30 Aug 97 15:37:54 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote : > In article <34085a7f.81052@news.calvacom.fr>, do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) writes: > > First : declare \&e[0] does not empty the last element. > > It does, but the last element is index value (array size - 1). > That is, like C, elements start with subscript/index 0. > > > declare \&d[5] > > Declares an array of five elements, \&d[0]..\&d[4]. > > > for \%i 1 5 1 {def \&d[\%i] No} > Does nothing with last element (out of bounds) Sorry, but it seems to be contrary to what I can read in the Changes.txt file found in MSK315.zip. (I always apply RTFM before sending queries) 5. Substitution variables now support the notion of arrays of strings: DECLARE \&[size] Allocates space for "size" number of strings. If size is 0 then the structure becomes undefined. \&[index] Is member index of the array . Use DEFINE or ASSIGN to create the array member. Index starts at 1 and should not exceed the declared "size." Strings are limited in length to 1KB which is the limit of a Kermit command. Not all members need be created, only the ones you wish. An empty definition removes that member. Best regards. == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 14:33:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19074 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16925 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.219.255.8!argos.tel.hr!news From: "Ivan Gustin" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.14 problem Date: 2 Sep 1997 18:24:24 GMT Organization: ELIN Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-ID: <01bcb7cc$b2b132e0$LocalHost@ivan> NNTP-Posting-Host: ac20-p13-zg.tel.hr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7598 Hi, I am trying to connect from my networked DOS PC to Linux box using Kermit. I am using ethernet, and I have appropriate packet driver. Before starting Kermit I load just NIC packet driver. Is it enough ? When I start Kermit I get a message "Unable to ARP resolve ...". I use numeric IP address. In the same configuration NCSA TELNET works fine. I edited and changed many lines in ms*.ini Kermit files, but without any results... Please, help me... ___________________ Bye, Ivan Gustin igustin@public.srce.hr (NOTE: remove 'nospam' from return address when replaying) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 15:28:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01044 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA19680 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 15:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 problem Date: 2 Sep 1997 19:28:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <5uhpca$l6n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcb7cc$b2b132e0$LocalHost@ivan> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7599 In article <01bcb7cc$b2b132e0$LocalHost@ivan>, Ivan Gustin wrote: : I am trying to connect from my networked DOS PC to Linux box using Kermit. : I am using ethernet, and I have appropriate packet driver. Before starting : Kermit I load just NIC packet driver. Is it enough ? : : When I start Kermit I get a message "Unable to ARP resolve ...". I use : numeric IP address. In the same configuration NCSA TELNET works fine. I : edited and changed many lines in ms*.ini Kermit files, but without any : results... : Make sure you are running the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, which is 3.14: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html Then read the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file. It explains everything you need to do to set up MS-DOS Kermit to make TCP/IP connections. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 18:20:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA07337 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA28558 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk!mike From: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit and RedHat 4.2 Linux Date: Tue, 02 Sep 97 21:40:13 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Message-ID: <873236413snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Mail2News-User: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7600 A short while ago someone else had a problem compiling C-Kermit using the Redhat version of Linux. One suggestion was to alter the makefile to change "-lcurses" to "-lncurses". Since I had a similar problem, I took this advice and managed to compile a wermit executable. Has a comment to this effect been added to either the FAQ or even the makefile itself (or both). Mike -- A Webified version of the MS-DOS Applications for Internet Use FAQ can be found at From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 2 21:30:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11046 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA08467 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!128.223.220.30!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.acsu.buffalo.edu!freenet.buffalo.edu!am302 From: "L. Chen" Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 problem In-Reply-To: <5uhpca$l6n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Organization: Buffalo Free-Net References: <01bcb7cc$b2b132e0$LocalHost@ivan> <5uhpca$l6n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 01:13:04 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7601 On 2 Sep 1997, Frank da Cruz wrote: > > Then read the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file. It explains everything you need to > do to set up MS-DOS Kermit to make TCP/IP connections. > > - Frank Can 3.14 make tcp/ip connections in Win95 ? Lily Chen am302@freenet.buffalo.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 05:41:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA25020 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00618 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-feed3.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!night.primate.wisc.edu!nntp.msstate.edu!news.memphis.edu!news.wku.edu!mayhew From: mayhew@wku.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Questions not in W95 FAQ Date: 2 Sep 97 19:32:34 -0500 Organization: Western Kentucky University Lines: 24 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: axp1.wku.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7603 I've been using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 for one simple reason: The entire screen is given over to text in an 80-col VT320 display, unless I choose myself to put the DOS-session into a window. It's primary disadvantage, for my purposes, is that it doesn't use the TCP/IP stack in Win95. After reading the K95 FAQ, I have three questions about whether some specific advantages of Kermit 3 survive in K95: 1. As a console-mode app, is K95 essentially indistinguishable from Kermit 3.14 run full-screen? For example, I'm using the default text mode for Kermit 3.14 and don't want to discover that it has been replaced by a graphics mode font-based emulation that only approximates the very readable text-mode text supplied in Kermit and by no GUI-based windows app that I've seen. 2. As a console-mode app, is K95 "windowable" for the purpose of cutting text from the screen for pasting into a text-mode dos app? 3. When K95 goes "wholly" GUI, will console mode still be available, and, if so, will the answers to 1 and 2 change? Thanks in advance, Larry Mayhew mayhew@wku.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 08:38:55 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02811 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA28837 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:38:43 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: EIA test leads on Telebit Fastblazer 8840 Date: 2 Sep 1997 12:22:24 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 22 Message-ID: <5ufv18$dti@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!nntp.info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!news.camtech.net.au!morse.satech.net.au!news.adl.auslink.net!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:198821 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7604 Hi, I discovered some nagging disconnects reported as "disconnect via front panel" on my Telebit Fastblazer 8840, particularly with transfers using Kermit and small packets. It turns out that 3 factors caused this situation: The "disconnect via front panel" reason can also apply to disconnections via EIA test leads EIA test leads are enabled *by factory default* I was using 25 pin cables Thanks to Mark Riley of Open Systems for the suggestion of AT*L0 to disable EIA test lead functionality. WHY would any manufacturer enable EIA test leads by factory default? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 11:22:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03464 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07161 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ANSI escape sequences with input echo on under MSK 3.15 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 15:15:16 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 11 Message-ID: <340d75f6.392076@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: par26.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7605 Incoming ANSI Escape sequences do not work with echo input on. The only change I made between 3.14 and 3.15 is to replace Kermit.exe version 3.14 by Kermit.exe version 3.15. All others parameters, macros, command files and hardware are the same. For example [1A does not go the cursor up one line. Comments please. == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 11:37:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08273 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA07956 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Incoming characters with input echo on are displayed very slowly Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 15:15:17 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 29 Message-ID: <340f7789.795228@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: par26.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7606 Under MS-Kermit 3.15, with set input echo on, com speed of 38400 bps, all incoming characters are displayed VERY VERY VERY SLOWLY at a rate of about 600bps. It seems that incoming lines less than 8 characters are displayed at about the correct speed and longer the lines lower the speed. The only change I made between 3.14 and 3.15 is to replace Kermit.exe version 3.14 by Kermit.exe version 3.15. All others parameters, macros, command files and hardware are the same. There never was a problem of input echo displaying speed with Kermit 3.14 ever since this version exist. If I change the DOS variable KERMIT from : set KERMIT=PATH C:\KERMIT;INPUT-BUFFER 32000;ROLLBACK 5 to set KERMIT=PATH C:\KERMIT;INPUT-BUFFER 32;ROLLBACK 5 the incoming input echo displaying speed seems to be correct but I can't use only 32 bytes of buffer. It is insufficient to do correct reinput commands. Is there a time consuming management of input-buffer with 3.15 ? Does 3.15 reads kb where 3.14 reads bytes ? Could you solve this problem ? Comments please. == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 12:36:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23068 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10976 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit and RedHat 4.2 Linux Date: 3 Sep 1997 16:36:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5uk3ms$l27$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <873236413snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7607 In article <873236413snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: : A short while ago someone else had a problem compiling C-Kermit using the : Redhat version of Linux. One suggestion was to alter the makefile to : change "-lcurses" to "-lncurses". : : Since I had a similar problem, I took this advice and managed to compile a : wermit executable. Has a comment to this effect been added to either the : FAQ or even the makefile itself (or both). : The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0.192: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html It still uses -lcurses (this was the advice from Linus, who said that any proper Linux system, if it is going to use ncurses, should install the appropriate symlinks). However, it seems that this is not what happened in real life. And so: 1. The makefile and online docs include the appropriate commentary. 2. The Red Hat install packages for C-Kermit 6.0.192: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/ckermit-6.0.192-7.*.rpm have been built with ncurses. 3. The next release will use ncurses by default. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 12:51:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26505 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Questions not in W95 FAQ Date: 3 Sep 1997 16:51:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-ID: <5uk4j5$lgr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7608 In article , wrote: : I've been using Kermit 3.14 under Win95 for one simple reason: The : entire screen is given over to text in an 80-col VT320 display, unless : I choose myself to put the DOS-session into a window. : K95 can run in a full-screen session also. Use Alt-Enter to toggle between fullscreen and a window (as you know). : It's primary disadvantage, for my purposes, is that it doesn't use the : TCP/IP stack in Win95. : Some other obvious ones include: . Can't access long filenames. . Can't use TAPI or gain possession of TAPI devices. . Can't use Winmodems, etc. On the other hand, it does offer several emulations (Tektronix, Sixel, DG463, DG470, etc) that K95 does not offer (although we expect to add at least some of these in the future). : After reading the K95 FAQ, I have three questions about whether some : specific advantages of Kermit 3 survive in K95: : : 1. As a console-mode app, is K95 essentially indistinguishable from : Kermit 3.14 run full-screen? For example, I'm using the default text : mode for Kermit 3.14 and don't want to discover that it has been : replaced by a graphics mode font-based emulation that only approximates : the very readable text-mode text supplied in Kermit and by no GUI-based : windows app that I've seen. : It is a console mode application, not a simulated GUI font-based text mode. It does indeed use the PC's code page and not any GUI fonts. (This applies to Windows 95, not necessarily to Windows NT). : 2. As a console-mode app, is K95 "windowable" for the purpose of cutting : text from the screen for pasting into a text-mode dos app? : Yes (provided you take the appropriate measures listed in the documentation to work around Windows bugs regarding pasting into console windows, and you use the built-in K95 mouse functions). : 3. When K95 goes "wholly" GUI, will console mode still be available, : and, if so, will the answers to 1 and 2 change? : Our plan is to keep a wholly console version available as long as we possibly can manage it. A surprising number of people have asked us to do this, and we intend to do it until or unless the demand disappears or Microsoft makes it completely impossible (as they have, for example, in Windows CE). Meanwhile the GUI version is coming along. It is important for many reasons besides the point-and-click user interface (which I suspect heavy users will tire of quickly): . Avoidance of countless bugs and restrictions in CONAGENT.EXE. . Ability to use "native" Windows facilities that are currently denied us. . Ability to use Unicode fonts in Windows 95. . Ability to change font size or window dimensions by dragging. . etc etc... Of course, the command language will remain available as an option for "power users". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 12:59:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28015 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 12:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 problem Date: 3 Sep 1997 16:59:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5uk51l$lq3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcb7cc$b2b132e0$LocalHost@ivan> <5uhpca$l6n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7609 In article , L. Chen wrote: : On 2 Sep 1997, Frank da Cruz wrote: : > Then read the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file. It explains everything you need to : > do to set up MS-DOS Kermit to make TCP/IP connections. : : Can 3.14 make tcp/ip connections in Win95 ? : MS-DOS 3.14 is not, and can not be, a Winsock client. The only way it could make TCP/IP connections is through its own built-in TCP/IP stack or through its BIOS interface. Setting this up is not for the feint of heart, and in any case is not recommended or supported. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 3 19:18:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29783 for ; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01775 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Sep 1997 19:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 problem Message-ID: Date: 3 Sep 97 14:26:52 MDT References: <01bcb7cc$b2b132e0$LocalHost@ivan> <5uk51l$lq3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7610 In article <5uk51l$lq3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , > L. Chen wrote: > : On 2 Sep 1997, Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > Then read the NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC file. It explains everything you need to > : > do to set up MS-DOS Kermit to make TCP/IP connections. > : > : Can 3.14 make tcp/ip connections in Win95 ? > : > MS-DOS 3.14 is not, and can not be, a Winsock client. The only way it could > make TCP/IP connections is through its own built-in TCP/IP stack or through > its BIOS interface. Setting this up is not for the feint of heart, and in > any case is not recommended or supported. > > - Frank -------- Amplifying this a bit because my place does use MSK heavily in Win95... MSK is a DOS program, a real mode affair, not a Windows-only item. It can use its internal TCP/IP stack to a Packet Driver or a real-mode Novell ODI driver. It does not communicate directly with protected mode lan drivers nor directly with NDIS of any flavor. What we do is use Novell's real mode ODI material (lan driver, and VLMs). To operate MSK this way within a Windows DOS box one needs shim WINPKT, and that in turn needs a Packet Driver beneath it. ODIPKT is that PD beneath it. Thus the drill is to load ODI components as usual, load ODIPKT, load WINPKT, start Windows. There is a rule of only one TCP/IP stack using a lan adapter at the same time. Thus you can't add MS' TCP/IP stack and winsock at the same time as MSK is using its own TCP/IP stack. You can use Novell's real mode TCP/IP stack and its matching winsock, but not at the same time as MSK is running. We load Novell's stack when needed, and unload it when not needed. The winsock interface provided is the 16-bit variety. These items are discussed in the MSK release documentation. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 4 11:55:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27131 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18597 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT320 emulation Date: 4 Sep 1997 15:55:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-ID: <5umll1$874$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <340AB90E.2781@atess.bel.alcatel.be> <340D2692.4C93@psi.de> <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:11213 comp.unix.aix:119247 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7611 In article <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Bob Shair (courtesy) wrote: : In comp.unix.aix Bernhard Hochstetter wrote: : > Luc Nys wrote: : > > I'm looking for a VT 320 terminal emulator program for AIX. : > > Who can give me some ideas/hints? Any help is appreciated. : : > use kermit ! The vt-emulation of kermit is good and you can use it on : > serial and network connections. : : I regret that, as far as I can discover, C-Kermit under Unix doesn't : provide terminal emulation. Sad, because C-Kermit under OS/2 and : K95 provide the best VT 320 emulation in the business. : To clarify... There are three kinds of Kermit programs: 1. Those that can be used only on the "far end" of the connection, but can not make connections themselves. Example: IBM Mainframe Kermit (for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, and CICS). 2. Those that can make connections and operate on the "local end" of the connection, but that also can operate on the far end. Example: C-Kermit. 3. Those that are designed strictly for the desktop, and provide not only connection establishment and local-mode operation, but also terminal emulation. Examples: MS-DOS Kermit and K95. Terminal emulation is possible only when the program has direct access to the physical keyboard and the physical screen. UNIX C-Kermit does not. Remember, you can run it not only from the console, but also when coming in to the same computer via Telnet, Rlogin, etc, or by dialing up, or through a terminal server (LAT, TCP/IP, etc). Thus in 99 cases out of 100, it could not even see the physical keyboard and screen. In fact, many UNIX systems are "headless" and don't even have keyboards and screens. If you have a UNIX desktop computer -- the most common example being a PC running Linux -- then why can't C-Kermit be a VT320 (or other type of) terminal emulator? It's only a matter of programming. But consider: . As Jeff pointed out, you are already running C-Kermit in an X window, or other type of Window (DECwindow, AIXterm, etc), or through the system console. Thus you already have a terminal emulator. . What is the API to get at the raw keyboard scan codes and the monitor video buffer and the mouse? Is there a consistent one for different varieties of UNIX? (It is to laugh...) . Even if I know the API, can I use it? There are likely to be issues of accessibility, permission, etc. And so C-Kermit is said to form a "semitransparent pipe" between your terminal, terminal window, or emulator and the remote computer or host you have connected to. The emulation is provided by the window or emulator through which you are viewing C-Kermit, and most people never even notice :-) Could an emulator be added to C-Kermit? Yes, but it would need to be done on a per-platform basis (SCO vs AIX vs Linux vs HP-UX vs Solaris, etc), and some fancy footwork would be required to know when it was usable (user is running it on the physical keyboard and screen) and when it was not (user is coming in from elsewhere). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 4 14:19:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00304 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25870 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT320 emulation Date: 4 Sep 1997 18:19:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 115 Message-ID: <5umu38$css$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <340AB90E.2781@atess.bel.alcatel.be> <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5uldce$i53$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5ummsu$m1$1@masala.cc.uh.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:11216 comp.unix.aix:119262 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7612 In article <5ummsu$m1$1@masala.cc.uh.edu>, Vincent H. wrote: : : In article <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, : : Bob Shair (courtesy) wrote: : : : In comp.unix.aix Bernhard Hochstetter wrote: : : : > Luc Nys wrote: : : : > > I'm looking for a VT 320 terminal emulator program for AIX. : : : > > Who can give me some ideas/hints? Any help is appreciated. : : : : : : > use kermit ! The vt-emulation of kermit is good and you can use it on : : : > serial and network connections. : : : : : : I regret that, as far as I can discover, C-Kermit under Unix doesn't : : : provide terminal emulation. Sad, because C-Kermit under OS/2 and : : : K95 provide the best VT 320 emulation in the business. : : Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : It is true that C-Kermit does not provide terminal emulation. (This was explained in detail in a separate posting.) : : But that is because X Windows provides users with things like : : Xterm and AIXterm which provide very substantial terminal capabilities. : : Very much unlike a PC running DOS or Windows or even OS/2. : : : Unless you must have a VT320 (you are connecting to a VMS system) : : I recommend (on AIX) using AIXterm and copying the termcap/terminfo : : files to the host you are logging into. : : : Kermit-95's new AIXTerm and HFT emulations are looking very good : : and should be out of beta test in a couple of weeks. : : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html for Kermit-95 : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit60.html for C-Kermit 6.0.192 : : I found a shareware called Netterm which also does a very good job of VT320 : emulation for AIX. Most of the function keys are working as expected. You : can find it at www.tucows.com. Hope this would help. : But the question (or at least the original one) regarded a VT320 emulator that runs on AIX. Netterm, like Kermit 95, runs on Windows. C-Kermit runs on AIX. The normal method for making serial or network connections from AIX to elsewhere is to run C-Kermit in an Xterm or AIXterm window, and accomplish the necessary key mappings not in Kermit (which can't see the keys directly), but in Xterm or AIXterm. I don't have a recipe for you specific to AIX, but here is some text from the C-Kermit online documentation that might help: With xterm, for example, you can use 'xmodmap' ("man xmodmap" for details); here is an xterm mapping to map the Sun keyboard to DEC VT200 values for use with VT-terminal oriented applications like VMS EVE: keycode 101=KP_0 keycode 119=KP_1 keycode 120=KP_2 keycode 121=KP_3 keycode 98=KP_4 keycode 99=KP_5 keycode 100=KP_6 keycode 75=KP_7 keycode 76=KP_8 keycode 77=KP_9 keycode 52=KP_F1 keycode 53=KP_F2 keycode 54=KP_F3 keycode 57=KP_Decimal keycode 28=Left keycode 29=Right keycode 30=KP_Separator keycode 105=KP_F4 keycode 78=KP_Subtract keycode 8=Left keycode 10=Right keycode 32=Up keycode 33=Down keycode 97=KP_Enter Adjust as necessary for AIX (and if you would like to contribute an AIX- specific mapping back to the Kermit, please do, and we'll incorporate into the distribution). Of course you could just as well use cu, tip, telnet, or rlogin from your Xterm or AIXterm window in the same way but (a) why use 3 or 4 different programs and interfaces for the same basic function (establishing terminal sessions to remote hosts); and (b) then you would give up file transfer, character-set translation and scripting in your terminal sessions. If your connection to the remote session is 8-bit clean, tell C-Kermit to: set parity none ; (this is the default anyway) set terminal bytesize 8 set command bytesize 8 and then you can use 8-bit character sets. And you can also set up the necessary translations in C-Kermit if the remote host uses a different character set than your Xterm or AIXterm using the SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET [ ] command, e.g. set terminal character-set dg-international latin-1 set terminal character-set dec-multinational cp850 set terminal character-set portuguese cp437 set terminal character-set cp850 latin-1 set terminal character-set latin-1 cp850 etc... (for Russian, Hebrew, Greek, etc) The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0.192; you can find out all about it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html And about Kermit 95 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 4 17:34:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14547 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.clark.net!158.152.1.94!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!deepsea.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Simon Hanmer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Exit on busy signal Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:23:44 +0100 Organization: Somewhere Wet Message-ID: <340F26E0.52BA@deepsea.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: sch@deepsea.demon.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: deepsea.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: deepsea.demon.co.uk [158.152.19.90] X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7613 I'm hoping someone here can help - I have a script which looks something like: set line /dev/xxx set speed 9600 set modem type hayes dial nnnnnnn if failure exit echo hi exit The problem comes if the modem hits a busy signal - its recognises it and executes the 'if failure' - the problem is that I then get a message saying something like 'there may still be a connection on /dev/xxx - do you want to exit ?' and I need to answer yes or no manually. Is there a way of disabling this action, so that the exit returns straight to the prompt. I'd appreciate answers via e-mail if poss since I don't normally look at this group, but I'm willing to post a summary back. Thanks, Simon - a desperate kermit novice. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 4 17:34:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA14845 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA05736 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!news-pen-15.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.nysernet.net!news.nysernet.net!206.229.87.50!news-pull.sprintlink.net!news-in-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!howland.erols.net!newshub2.home.com!newshub1.home.com!news.home.com!news.rdc1.sfba.home.com!cypher.cagent.com!user From: tsw@cagent.com (Tom Watson) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT320 emulation Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:06:27 -0700 Organization: CagEnt, Inc. Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <340AB90E.2781@atess.bel.alcatel.be> <340D2692.4C93@psi.de> <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5umll1$874$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: aurora.cagent.com Cache-Post-Path: aurora.cagent.com!unknown@cypher.cagent.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:11221 comp.unix.aix:119276 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7614 In article <5umll1$874$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: <> > > Could an emulator be added to C-Kermit? Yes, but it would need to be done on > a per-platform basis (SCO vs AIX vs Linux vs HP-UX vs Solaris, etc), and some > fancy footwork would be required to know when it was usable (user is running > it on the physical keyboard and screen) and when it was not (user is coming in > from elsewhere). > There is another idea (which has been tried before as I understand). Use curses as the interface to the keyboard/screen and translate incoming character sequences to the proper curses commands (which will translate them to the terminal/window). Something like this would allow a person who has (as an example) a vt220 to receive terminal codes from a far end that sends Wyse-50 type codes. The problem: it isn't that simple How much does one interpret. What about things that don't translate. What about function keys. The list abounds. Still an interesting idea. This might be a "universal" method. I do note that "curses" interfaces come in various models, some better than others. The problem of proper 'termcap' files also abounds, as they typically describe the output (characters to screen) side, but not the input (keyboard) side. Then again... Your mission should you decide to accept it........ -- tsw@cagent.com (Home: tsw@johana.com) Please forward spam to: annagram@hr.house.gov (my Congressman), I do. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 4 17:49:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18450 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06500 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT320 emulation Date: 4 Sep 1997 21:49:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <5unadi$kd2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <340AB90E.2781@atess.bel.alcatel.be> <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5umll1$874$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:11222 comp.unix.aix:119278 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7615 In article , Tom Watson wrote: : In article <5umll1$874$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : : <> : > : > Could an emulator be added to C-Kermit? Yes, but it would need to be done : > on a per-platform basis (SCO vs AIX vs Linux vs HP-UX vs Solaris, etc), : > and some fancy footwork would be required to know when it was usable (user : > is running it on the physical keyboard and screen) and when it was not : > (user is coming in from elsewhere). : : There is another idea (which has been tried before as I understand). : Yes, for example in tn3270. : Use curses as the interface to the keyboard/screen and translate incoming : character sequences to the proper curses commands (which will translate : them to the terminal/window). : That's not the answer either, necessarily. It's something quite different. In fact you said it yourself: : Something like this would allow a person who has (as an example) a vt220 : to receive terminal codes from a far end that sends Wyse-50 type codes. : This would not let us get at the real video buffer and the real keyboard. What most people want when they ask for XYZ terminal emulation is to be able to type every bizarre key combination allowed by the XYZ terminal and, if the real keyboard is different, to have a complete mapping, including Alt keys, F keys, Command keys, Ctrl-Alt combinations, etc etc. But if C-Kermit can't see the keyboard, there is no way to do this. Again, you said it yourself: : The problem of proper 'termcap' files also abounds, as they typically : describe the output (characters to screen) side, but not the input : (keyboard) side. : Right. We learned long ago that users demand both sides, not just the one. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 4 17:58:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20377 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06840 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exit on busy signal Date: 4 Sep 1997 21:58:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <5unatb$kob$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <340F26E0.52BA@deepsea.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7616 In article <340F26E0.52BA@deepsea.demon.co.uk>, Simon Hanmer wrote: : I'm hoping someone here can help - I have a script which looks something : like: : : set line /dev/xxx : set speed 9600 : set modem type hayes : dial nnnnnnn : if failure exit : echo hi : exit : : The problem comes if the modem hits a busy signal - its recognises it : and executes the 'if failure' - the problem is that I then get a message : saying something like 'there may still be a connection on /dev/xxx - do : you want to exit ?' and I need to answer yes or no manually. Is there a : way of disabling this action, so that the exit returns straight to the : prompt. : : Thanks, : Simon - a desperate kermit novice. : Look in your "Using C-Kermit" manual. The section on program termination (pages 463-465) it tells you all about this (found by looking up EXIT in the index). The command is "set exit warning off". In case you don't have a copy of the manual, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html for information on how to get it. Meanwhile, you shouldn't be getting the warning in the first place if (a) the modem is not presenting the CD signal (which it shouldn't be in this case), and (b) your Kermit implementation is allowed to access modem signals. But you didn't say which version of C-Kermit you have, on which platform. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 5 11:40:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29370 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA16601 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: define substitution variable (\%e) does not work within switch structure Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 15:34:35 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 36 Message-ID: <34101aa2.852637@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp9-01.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7618 Define substitution variable (\%e) does not change the content of the variable when the define is inside a switch structure. The same structure works fine with a named macro in place of the substitution variable. Try with this take file : undefine Avion undefine \%e undefine Type :Beg ask Avion {Enter type (A320,B747,B767,) : } if not defined Avion goto Beg ; switch \m(Avion) { :A320,define \%e CFM56-5A,break :B747,define \%e CF6-80C2,break :B767,define \%e CF6-80C2,break :default,define \%e Unknown,break } echo {Macro \\%e : [\%e]} ; switch \m(Avion) { :A320,define Type CFM56-5A,break :B747,define Type CF6-80C2,break :B767,define Type CF6-80C2,break :default,define Type Unknown,break } echo {Macro Type : [\m(Type)]} Comments please. Best regards, == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 5 12:09:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05179 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17935 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.solaris,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT (solaris): easy way to install,use? Date: 5 Sep 1997 16:09:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 137 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <5uparv$fp2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.unix.solaris:132537 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7619 In article , David Combs wrote: : I have a "shell" account on netcom.com; : am currently using "tip", and love it; : super simple to use, only a man page to : read, does what I want. : : Except it sends only 7-bit ascii, and : screws up when it sees 8-bit suprise-chars. : : So, must switch to something else. People : have suggested Kermit (ckermit). : : So I got this book on c-kermit. Darn book : is over 600 pages long! : : Hey, is there any EASY way to use this thing? : If you need help, you are perfectly entitled to send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. : Do I really have to read (master) a 600 page : book, when all I want to do is to get something : more modern than "tip"? : It's the old story. You start out with something simple, users like it BUT it just needs this ONE MORE feature... And for each user, that one more feature is a different one. : There must be some SMALL documentation SOMEWHERE : about this..., huh? : As with TIP there is a man page. Did you try "man kermit"? If it didn't work that means your ISP did not install it. You can pick it up yourself from: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckuker.nr You can look at it with: nroff -man ckuker.nr Anyway, if you can be more specific about what you want to do with C-Kermit, I'll be glad to help you get started. Since you say you have been using tip, but you have trouble with 8-bit character sets, that probably that means you want to dial out to a host that uses 8-bit character sets, and then maybe transfer files. So to dial out (assuming Netcom is running the current version of C-Kermit, which is 6.0): set modem type xxxx ; where xxxx is the type of modem In any field you can type a ? to see the possibilities: set modem type ? lists all the possible modem types. Next, say which device you will be using, like: set line /dev/cua If this gives an error message, it means that Netcom didn't install Kermit properly (they probably need to do something with setuid and/or setgid -- we give complete installation instructions, but we can't hold a gun to their heads to force them read and follow them). The installation instructions for UNIX are in the UNIX appendix of the book, and also online as a plain-text file at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckuins.doc Then tell it the interface speed to use: set speed 57600 ; or whatever Now give it any necessary communications settings, like: set parity even or: set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal command 8 set parity none Hint: if you have a clean 8-bit connection, just type "eight" at the prompt or start the program with the "-8" command-line option, e.g. "kermit -8"; this takes the place of the three commands just above. Then have it dial the number: dial 7654331 ; or whatever If there is a problem (no dialtone, busy, etc), you'll get the appropriate error message. If there is no problem, then poof, you're online. To get back to the C-Kermit prompt, type Ctrl-\ followed by the letter C. So why is the book so thick? Because (a) so many things can go wrong when trying to make connections, or use them; (b) there is so much variety among connection types and devices; (c) file transfer must be explained too, and there are many many options which are there because people need them; (c) C-Kermit includes a complete programming language so you can write scripts to do things automatically (so you don't have to type the same commands over and over again); (c) character sets (e.g. for German, French, Hebrew, Japanese, Russian, etc) need a lot of explaining -- not everybody is a native English speaker! Etc etc. Note that once you've become comfortable with the basics of C-Kermit you can use it not only for dialing out, but also as your Telnet client, and you can do things with it (file transfer, character-set translation, scripting) that you can't do with tip or telnet (or ftp), and you can do them in a consistent way, independent of (a) connection type and (b) platform. For example, the scripts you develop are portable to hundreds of different platforms, and not just UNIX either, but also Windows, DOS, OS/2, VMS, VOS, AOS/VS, and many others. I hope this helps get you started. If not, follow up to the email address given above, or to the Kermit newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.misc. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 5 14:37:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA06944 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25401 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.sprynet.com!not-for-mail From: "Laurie & Ted Calamia / Harris" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 Can't Detect Modem Date: 5 Sep 1997 18:22:57 GMT Organization: Sprynet News Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bcba28$a1aa9320$36d5aec7@oemcomputer> NNTP-Posting-Host: hd33-054.hil.compuserve.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7620 I currently connect to the Internet beautifully. All settings seem OK, all screen behavior seems OK. But I can't seem to get Kermit 95 to even recognize my modem. I'm on a Gateway 2000 with an internal Telepath modem, maximum speed 56K. All the settings on the Kermit 95 screens seem to match the settings on the Gateway Internet connection screens. Thanks very much for your help. Laurie Harris coolelle@hotmail.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 5 14:59:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10939 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA26580 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 14:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 Can't Detect Modem Date: 5 Sep 1997 18:59:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5upkqk$l26$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcba28$a1aa9320$36d5aec7@oemcomputer> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7621 In article <01bcba28$a1aa9320$36d5aec7@oemcomputer>, Laurie & Ted Calamia / Harris wrote: : : I currently connect to the Internet beautifully. All settings seem OK, all : screen behavior seems OK. But I can't seem to get Kermit 95 to even : recognize my modem. I'm on a Gateway 2000 with an internal Telepath modem, : maximum speed 56K. All the settings on the Kermit 95 screens seem to match : the settings on the Gateway Internet connection screens. : Do you have Kermit 95 1.1.13? If not, please patch up to it: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Then you can completely sidestep all of the modem configuration confusion by choosing the TAPI interface. In K95.EXE the command for this is SET PORT TAPI. In the Dialer, you'll see the TAPI modem names to choose from (there should normally be only one). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 5 22:07:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10426 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA18530 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Bill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 scripting in NT... Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 18:22:01 -0700 Organization: FNIC Lines: 32 Message-ID: <3410B039.DE575B99@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.217.12.208 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7622 I'm having some trouble scripting a VMS login using K95 running in NT. I'm using a TCP/IP connection on a LAN. The connection can be made manually. But, when I script it, the script times out. Here's a sample of my script/macro: def ALPHA { ask \%u Username: askq \%p Password: ask \%h Host: set network type tcp set host \%h connect input 5 username output \%u\13 input 5 password output \%p\13 } I realize this isn't very robust, however it illistrates my problem. The macro/script seems to hang just after the "connect" statement. If I issue a "CTRL-] c" and get back to *local* mode, then the script seems to continue, and when I re-connect, I'm logged in to the VMS host. Any help is greatly appreciated. -- William Pearson FNIC pearsob@FNIC..net Suite #150 2780 Skypark Drive Torrance, CA 90505 (310) 326-3100 x205 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 6 02:46:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA22828 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 02:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA28738 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 02:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!feed.nntp.acc.ca!news.ican.net!not-for-mail From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 scripting in NT... Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 06:25:46 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Mathematics Lines: 28 Message-ID: <3410f5ef.185145194@news.rochester.ican.net> References: <3410B039.DE575B99@earthlink.net> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-009.syracuse-01.ican.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news1.tor.acc.ca 873527206 9664 (None) 204.245.84.9 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news1.tor.acc.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7623 On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 18:22:01 -0700, Bill wrote: >Here's a sample of my script/macro: > >def ALPHA { > ask \%u Username: > askq \%p Password: > ask \%h Host: > set network type tcp > set host \%h > connect > input 5 username > output \%u\13 > input 5 password > output \%p\13 "Connect" means (essentially) "we're done negotiating; now give me a terminal emulator and a shell prompt". After "connect" the script is suspended, waitlng to get out of connect mode to continue. Just move the "connect" to the end (after negotiating the userid and password). - Vince ___ Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 6 13:01:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06657 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA00220 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:00:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!agate!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!taal.Stanford.EDU!stew From: stew@taal.Stanford.EDU (Stewart Levin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announce: xtdialer - menu-based kermit dialing Date: 6 Sep 1997 16:46:54 GMT Organization: Stanford Exploration Project Lines: 176 Sender: Stewart.A.Levin@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <5us1du$d4b$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: taal.stanford.edu Summary: Dialing automated telephone response systems w/ pull-down menus Keywords: kermit xtpanel automated telephone Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7624 xtdialer provides a graphical tool with pull-down menus for using kermit to dial up and interact with an automated telephone response system. I use it to check on mutual fund balances. xtdialer is built as an "xtpanel" script. Xtpanel is available from the X11R6 contrib files and from ftp://sepftp.stanford.edu/pub/Xtpanel/. I have place the attached short shar file on my web page http://sepwww.stanford.edu/oldsep/stew/index.html. Enjoy! - Stewart A. Levin stew_at_sep.stanford.edu -----------CUT HERE ----------------------------------------- #!/bin/sh # This is a shell archive (produced by GNU sharutils 4.2). # To extract the files from this archive, save it to some FILE, remove # everything before the `!/bin/sh' line above, then type `sh FILE'. # # Made on 1997-09-06 11:17 CDT by . # Source directory was `/home/stew/xtdialer.dir/temp'. # # Existing files will *not* be overwritten unless `-c' is specified. # This format requires very little intelligence at unshar time. # "if test", "echo", "mkdir", and "sed" may be needed. # # This shar contains: # length mode name # ------ ---------- ------------------------------------------ # 933 -rw-rw-r-- xtdialer.dir/xtdialer.script # 270 -rw-rw-r-- xtdialer.dir/services/Fidelity # 271 -rw-rw-r-- xtdialer.dir/services/Scudder # 67 -rw-rw-r-- xtdialer.dir/kermscript # 1499 -rw-rw-r-- xtdialer.dir/README # echo=echo if mkdir _sh00406; then $echo 'x -' 'creating lock directory' else $echo 'failed to create lock directory' exit 1 fi # ============= xtdialer.dir/xtdialer.script ============== if test ! -d 'xtdialer.dir'; then $echo 'x -' 'creating directory' 'xtdialer.dir' mkdir 'xtdialer.dir' fi if test -f 'xtdialer.dir/xtdialer.script' && test "$first_param" != -c; then $echo 'x -' SKIPPING 'xtdialer.dir/xtdialer.script' '(file already exists)' else $echo 'x -' extracting 'xtdialer.dir/xtdialer.script' '(text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'xtdialer.dir/xtdialer.script' && Xvar={ name=sourcedir value="/home/stew/xtdialer.dir" } Xstartup={ action="ASSIGN sourcedir `echo $${XTDIALER-$(sourcedir)}`" } X Xhbox={ name=noborder X message={ value="XTDIALER" name=title } X button={ label="Quit" X action="ASSIGN kermit OUTPUT ATH0Z\13\n" X action="ASSIGN kermit EXIT\n" X action=QUIT } X } X Xoutput={ name=kermit stream="$(sourcedir)/kermscript" separator="\n" } Xstartup={ X action="ASSIGN kermit SET EXIT WARNING OFF\13\n" X } Xhbox={ name=noborder X menubutton={ label="Service" itemlist={ list=`ls $(sourcedir)/services` } X action="ASSIGN service $(val)" X action="DESTROY commands" X action="CREATE service menubutton={ name=commands label=""Commands"" `cat $(sourcedir)/services/$(val)` action=""ASSIGN kermit OUTPUT $$(val)\13\n"" }" } X message={ name=service value="None" } X X menubutton={ label="Commands" name=commands X item={ label="None" value=" " } X } X} SHAR_EOF : || $echo 'restore of' 'xtdialer.dir/xtdialer.script' 'failed' fi # ============= xtdialer.dir/services/Fidelity ============== if test ! -d 'xtdialer.dir/services'; then $echo 'x -' 'creating directory' 'xtdialer.dir/services' mkdir 'xtdialer.dir/services' fi if test -f 'xtdialer.dir/services/Fidelity' && test "$first_param" != -c; then $echo 'x -' SKIPPING 'xtdialer.dir/services/Fidelity' '(file already exists)' else $echo 'x -' extracting 'xtdialer.dir/services/Fidelity' '(text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'xtdialer.dir/services/Fidelity' && Xitem={ label="Fidelity 800" value="ATM1L3S15=0DP18005445555;" } Xitem={ label="Fidelity Login" value="ATDTsocsecnum+pin#;" } Xitem={ label="Account Balances" value="ATDT*63991;" } Xitem={ label="Recent Activities" value="ATDT*6421;" } Xitem={ label="Hangup" value="ATH0Z" } SHAR_EOF : || $echo 'restore of' 'xtdialer.dir/services/Fidelity' 'failed' fi # ============= xtdialer.dir/services/Scudder ============== if test -f 'xtdialer.dir/services/Scudder' && test "$first_param" != -c; then $echo 'x -' SKIPPING 'xtdialer.dir/services/Scudder' '(file already exists)' else $echo 'x -' extracting 'xtdialer.dir/services/Scudder' '(text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'xtdialer.dir/services/Scudder' && Xitem={ label="Scudder 800" value="ATM1L3S15=0DP18003432890;" } Xitem={ label="Scudder Login" value="ATDT1,socsecnum,pin#;" } Xitem={ label="CIT Balance" value="ATD*#,1,2;" } Xitem={ label="CIT Last Dividend" value="ATD*#,1,3,065,,1;" } Xitem={ label="Hangup" value="ATH0Z" } SHAR_EOF : || $echo 'restore of' 'xtdialer.dir/services/Scudder' 'failed' fi # ============= xtdialer.dir/kermscript ============== if test -f 'xtdialer.dir/kermscript' && test "$first_param" != -c; then $echo 'x -' SKIPPING 'xtdialer.dir/kermscript' '(file already exists)' else $echo 'x -' extracting 'xtdialer.dir/kermscript' '(text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'xtdialer.dir/kermscript' && Xkermit -z -q -m gateway-telepath -l /dev/modem -b 2400 > /dev/null SHAR_EOF : || $echo 'restore of' 'xtdialer.dir/kermscript' 'failed' fi # ============= xtdialer.dir/README ============== if test -f 'xtdialer.dir/README' && test "$first_param" != -c; then $echo 'x -' SKIPPING 'xtdialer.dir/README' '(file already exists)' else $echo 'x -' extracting 'xtdialer.dir/README' '(text)' sed 's/^X//' << 'SHAR_EOF' > 'xtdialer.dir/README' && XXTDIALER: X-Window menu-based telephone dialing X XThis package contains a short xtpanel (X11R6 contrib or Xftp://sepftp.stanford.edu) script and sample services Xdirectory that allow you to use your computer modem to dial Xthe touchtone codes needed to retrieve information from Xautomated telephone systems. I use it to check on Xmutual fund balances. It is freely available for Xyour personal use. X XPlace the source and services directory tree in any Xconvenient place and edit the xtdialer.script file Xto initialize the corresponding "sourcedir" variable Xto that location. (The environment variable XTDIALER Xmay be used to override this default.) Then create a Xone-line script or alias to invoke xtpanel with that Xinput script. Finally, modify the one line "kermscript" Xfile to set (or remove) the modem type, line and speed Xflags on the kermit command line. X Xxtdialer uses the $(sourcedir)/services subdirectory Xto set its menu choices. It treats the name of each Xfile in that subdirectory as an automated dialup Xservice and extracts a menu of commands from the Xcorresponding file when its name is selected. X XThe format of a service file is a list of items: X Xitem={ label="Fidelity 800" value="ATM1L3S15=0DT1800544555;" } X XNote that the value fields are simply modem command strings, Xgenerally ones that dial touchtone sequences. The trailing Xsemicolon is part of the dialing string. (It tells a Hayes- Xcompatible modem not to wait for a carrier tone.) X X- Stewart A. Levin X stew@sep.stanford.edu SHAR_EOF : || $echo 'restore of' 'xtdialer.dir/README' 'failed' fi rm -fr _sh00406 exit 0 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 6 16:00:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07730 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09261 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!op.net!not-for-mail From: root@candle.pha.pa.us Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT320 emulation Date: 6 Sep 1997 19:58:38 GMT Organization: a consultant's basement Lines: 80 Message-ID: <5uscle$mv9$1@picasso.op.net> References: <340AB90E.2781@atess.bel.alcatel.be> <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5umll1$874$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5unadi$kd2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: s1-03.ppp.op.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970424; i386 BSD/OS 3.0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:11231 comp.unix.aix:119407 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7625 Here is what I use in my XTerm init file to do a vt220 in an xterm. I start the xterm like this: xterm $XTERMFLAGS +rw +sb +ls $@ -tm 'erase ^? intr ^c' -name vt220 \ -title vt220 -tn xterm-220 "$@" & --------------------------------------------------------------------------- XTerm*VT100.Translations: #override \n\ Home: string(0x1b) string("[3~") \n \ End: string(0x1b) string("[4~") \n vt220*VT100.Translations: #override \n\ ~Shift F1: string("OP") \n \ ~Shift F2: string("OQ") \n \ ~Shift F3: string("OR") \n \ ~Shift F4: string("OS") \n \ ~Shift F5: string("[16~") \n \ ~Shift F6: string("[17~") \n \ ~Shift F7: string("[18~") \n \ ~Shift F8: string("[19~") \n \ ~Shift F9: string("[20~") \n \ ~Shift F10: string("[21~") \n \ ~Shift F11: string("[28~") \n \ ~Shift F12: string("[29~") \n \ Shift F1: string("[23~") \n \ Shift F2: string("[24~") \n \ Shift F3: string("[25~") \n \ Shift F4: string("[26~") \n \ Shift F5: string("~") \n \ Shift F6: string("[31~") \n \ Shift F7: string("[31~") \n \ Shift F8: string("[32~") \n \ Shift F9: string("[33~") \n \ Shift F10: string("[34~") \n \ Shift F11: string("[28~") \n \ Shift F12: string("[29~") \n \ Print: string(0x1b) string("[32~") \n\ Cancel: string(0x1b) string("[33~") \n\ Pause: string(0x1b) string("[34~") \n\ Insert: string(0x1b) string("[2~") \n\ Delete: string(0x1b) string("[3~") \n\ Home: string(0x1b) string("[1~") \n\ End: string(0x1b) string("[4~") \n\ Prior: string(0x1b) string("[5~") \n\ Next: string(0x1b) string("[6~") \n\ BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n\ Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n\ KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n\ KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("Om") \n\ KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n\ KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\ KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n\ KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n\ KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n\ KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n\ KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n\ KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n\ KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n\ KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n\ KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n\ KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n\ KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n\ KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy") \n ! Up: string(0x1b) string("[A") \n\ ! Down: string(0x1b) string("[B") \n\ ! Right: string(0x1b) string("[C") \n\ ! Left: string(0x1b) string("[D") \n\ *visualBell: true *saveLines: 1000 *cursesemul: true *scrollKey: true *scrollBar: true -- Bruce Momjian | 830 Blythe Avenue root@candle.pha.pa.us | Drexel Hill, Pennsylvania 19026 + If your life is a hard drive, | (610) 353-9879(w) + Christ can be your backup. | (610) 853-3000(h) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 6 17:05:20 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18327 for ; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA12524 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!europa.clark.net!168.143.0.2!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: "T.E.Dickey" Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.unix.aix,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT320 emulation Date: 6 Sep 1997 21:01:37 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 19 Message-ID: <5usgbh$577@clarknet.clark.net> References: <340AB90E.2781@atess.bel.alcatel.be> <5ukmsb$7uo$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5umll1$874$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5unadi$kd2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5uscle$mv9$1@picasso.op.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 100-explorer.clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970527; sun4u SunOS 5.5.1] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:11233 comp.unix.aix:119409 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7626 In comp.terminals root@candle.pha.pa.us wrote: : Here is what I use in my XTerm init file to do a vt220 in an xterm. I : start the xterm like this: : xterm $XTERMFLAGS +rw +sb +ls $@ -tm 'erase ^? intr ^c' -name vt220 \ : -title vt220 -tn xterm-220 "$@" & If you are using the plain X Consortium xterm (rather than the one I've been working on), it still won't be a vt220, since the vt220 recognizes a number of escape sequences (e.g., SGR 22) that the quasi-vt100 standard xterm doesn't. The XFree86 3.3 xterm supports ANSI color and VT220 emulation There's an faq at http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html -- Thomas E. Dickey dickey@clark.net http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 7 13:06:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25075 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11094 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 13:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 25 Date: 7 Sep 1997 17:06:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <5uumus$ahs$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7629 New commands: SET INPUT FILTER-ECHO { ON, OFF } When ON (which is the default), only printable characters and controls are sent to the screen when INPUT ECHO is ON. When OFF, all incoming characters (except NUL and DEL, which are discarded) are passed to the screen, the idea being that a console driver (such as ANSI.SYS) will process them and format the screen nicely -- this only works if the escape and control sequences coming from the host are recognized by the console driver; remember, MS-DOS Kermit's terminal emulator is NOT active during INPUT commands. Bugs fixed: . IF NUMERIC did not work for unsigned numbers longer than one digit. . \frpad() and flpad() ignored a blank third argument and used the closing paren instead. . Array elements could not be assigned, e.g. by READ. . Writing an empty array element into a file could cause MSK or DOS to crash. . Assigning \%x variables inside SWITCH statement didn't work. . S, I, and A packets and/or their ACKs could be sent that were longer than the requested size; conversely, incoming packets that were longer than the requested size could be rejected even when the actual buffer was long enough to accommodate them. Both conditions have been corrected. This problem was evident only when very short packet lengths were requested. Beta 25 is in the usual place: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip As with the previous Betas, download this one into your regular MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 directory and unzip it. It makes MSK315.EXE and MSK315.DOC files which do not conflict with your current installation. To test, just run MSK315 instead of KERMIT. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Thanks, as always, to Joe D! And thanks to Dominique Ottello for reporting many of the bugs that were fixed in this Beta. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 7 18:28:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA19766 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA28536 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!acs2.byu.edu!news.cuny.edu!nntp.upenn.edu!dsinc!pitt.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news.duq.edu!newsgate.duke.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in5.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!newslink.runet.edu!not-for-mail From: ibelooze@runet.edu (I l y a) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AT command question Date: 7 Sep 1997 19:42:16 GMT Organization: Radford University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <5uv02o$5q6@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rucs2.sunlab.cs.runet.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7630 My AT command manual says that at&Q6N0S37=n will make the modem connect at a certain speed. n=9 for 9600, 6 for 2400, 5 for 1200, 1 for 300 bps. What values of n stand for higher speeds? The reason I am asking this is because I connect without any problems at 19200 but experience data loss at 38400bps. OS: Ultrix 4.4 on DEC5000/20 ================================== Ilya Beloozerov ibelooze@runet.edu ================================== From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 7 19:12:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27660 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01104 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: AT command question Date: 7 Sep 1997 23:12:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5uvccf$mf6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5uv02o$5q6@newslink.runet.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7631 In article <5uv02o$5q6@newslink.runet.edu>, I l y a wrote: : My AT command manual says that at&Q6N0S37=n will make the modem connect : at a certain speed. : : n=9 for 9600, 6 for 2400, 5 for 1200, 1 for 300 bps. What values of n : stand for higher speeds? : Such commands are not standardized at all. We can't answer your question unless (a) we know what kind of modem you have, and (b) we have a copy of the manual too. But even if we did... : The reason I am asking this is because I connect without any problems at : 19200 but experience data loss at 38400bps. : : OS: Ultrix 4.4 on DEC5000/20 : We have been through this before. It is almost certainly not a modem issue. It *is* an issue with Ultrix. Ultrix does not support any method of flow control that is effective enough to be used with high serial speeds. To put it another way, even if the DECstation port supports (say) 38400 bps, the DECstation itself can not keep up with incoming data at that speed. So it needs a way of controlling the flow of incoming data to prevent data loss. But RTS/CTS hardware flow control is not supported in Ultrix, and Xon/Xoff has enough latency as to be relatively ineffective at high speeds. You need to either learn to live with 19200 bps, or switch to a different operating system that supports RTS/CTS on the serial port. DEC supported OSF/1 on the DECstation for a while, but then gave up on it. Other posters have suggested other operating systems to you as well. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 06:56:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA18105 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 06:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA21450 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 06:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!deepsea.demon.co.uk!sch From: Simon Hanmer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Exit on busy signal Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:30:13 +0100 Organization: Somewhere Wet Distribution: world Message-ID: References: <340F26E0.52BA@deepsea.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: deepsea.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: deepsea.demon.co.uk [158.152.19.90] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike Version 3.03a Lines: 8 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7632 Thanks to all those who posted replies - I've got my scripts working now. It's nice to see that it's still possible to get something useful from the newsgroups even if usenet is overrun with spam these days. Simon -- Simon Hanmer sch@deepsea.demon.co.uk From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 08:47:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12088 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27530 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!zdc-e!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!mdrn From: dallasii@kincyb.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSDOS Kermit to Kermit/2 script conversion notes Date: 8 Sep 1997 03:02:24 -0700 Organization: None Lines: 145 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: MHS Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7633 [I'm cross-posting this to several forums where I think it will be appropriate for discussion. I apologize to anyone who finds it inappropriate (or long winded).] Some notes on converting command files from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 to Kermit/2 (Kermit-95 (C-Kermit for Windows-95) for OS/2) (henceforth referred to as K2, K/2 or K2.EXE) I welcome any comments: 1) The OS/2 "EXTPROC" command seems to be the most underdocumented OS/2 command I've come across. Few of the BIG, THICK OS/2 books (henceforth referred to as BTOB's) had much on it. Almost nowhere was there a real working example of it. I expected it to be something similar to the UNIX "#!/full/path/specification/to/the/interpreter" feature for the first line of a script. Almost, but not quite. The documentation all said something to the effect of: EXTPROC :\full\path\interpreter I *expected* to use something like: EXTPROC :\full\path\k2.exe = %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 on the first line of the procs to use them as OS/2 commands that would pass the parameters to the script previously used for MS-DOS Kermit into \&@[0] ... \&@[8]. What I found was needed was: EXTPROC :\full\path\k2.exe :\full\path\to\the\script.cmd with the command line parameters being apparently automaticly being passed to \&@[3] .. \&@[8], the first three elements of \&@ containing some incomplete garbage about the command typed in. The full script file name as a parameter seemed absolutly required to make the script work from anywhere in the directory structure, even if the file was in a directory in the PATH specification. A further example: file1 (ktest5.cmd): ************************************************************ EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE C:\USR\COMM\Ktest6.CMD ; A--Note ; LAFN login script ; DEL 30/01/97 echo \&@[0] \&@[1] \&@[2] \&@[3] \&@[4] \&@[5] \&@[6] IF DEFINED \&@[3] ASSIGN \%1 \&@[3] IF DEFINED \&@[4] ASSIGN \%2 \&@[4] IF DEFINED \&@[5] ASSIGN \%3 \&@[5] echo \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \7 \7 \7 \7 \7 the input echo Ktest5!\13\10 EXIT ***************************************************************** file2 (ktest6.cmd): ****************************************************************** EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE C:\USR\COMM\Ktest6.CMD ; LAFN login script ; DEL 30/01/97 echo Suprise, you got Ktest6 instead!\13\10 EXIT ******************************************************************* Yes, I was suprised. EXTPROC seems to work as a comment most of the time, and under certain circumstances as non-returning branch. (one of the goals here is a command "lynx " that will take me directly from the OS/2 command line to my LA FreeNet account with Lynx active on my screen.) 2) While functioning as a comment in K/2, and apparently in most versions of C-Kermit, EXTPROC required some bogus definition as a macro to minimize interuption when scripts were run back with MS-DOS Kermit, I think I just "define EXTPROC echo" in my MSCUSTOM.INI file to allow things to flow smoothly. 3) While this probably quibling in the age of multi-Gigabyte harddrives, the dial files converted from DOS to OS/2 format with the last few fields commented out with ';' seemed to be no longer compatible with MS-DOS Kermit. This requires keeping seperate copies to work with both (if this is desired), which I don't like. It would seem good to modify future versions MS-DOS Kermit so that they read past the first ';' for the last few fields of the dial entry might be good. I haven't really thought this out very clearly, but maybe someone else has a better idea on this point. 4) The GUI dialer works fine for targets where dialing in usually goes quickly with lots of open ports. With targets like a University mainframe on a Sunday afternoone, where everyone is trying to get their homework assignments finished, or my previous eMail provider, I found I needed scripts that would keep trying till they got through. Is there someway to set up the dialer so it will accept the userid/password as parameters, or ask you for them, without storing them, when invoked, then pass them to the dialup script. This may just be a point of my own ignorance about the Dialer & GUIs. I know it can be built into the scripts, but it seems like this should be just as much a part of the Dialer as the ability to store non-unique non-security issue passwords permenantly in the Dialer database. 5) I found I was frequently having to modify portions of the scripts to have a set of commands like: input reinput 1 It seems that when it's late at night, the target/host CPU has little to occupy it, and the not so busy phone lines allow a 28,800 connection maybe the prompts that the target are sending sneak through before interpreter on my feeble '386 is ready to respond, so it needs to recheck the received input to find something that was missed. When the host is busy and responds sluggishly, the phone lines are clogged and don't allow such fast connections the "input" command will catch the prompt itself. But this doesn't make any sense since everything must go through my CPU (the one running K/2) anyway, so why should it miss anything to begin with? Is this some sort of interupt/multi-threading issue, or am I just working to late on this to think clearly? Regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' legan@acm.org aw585@lafn.org dallasii@kincyb.com "But I found that the rulers were ordinary men, too, and frequently as bewildered as I was." from "Solution Unsatisfactory" by Robert A. Heinlein I speak only for myself, and assume full responsibility for my statements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 08:52:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA12566 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA27772 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!feta.direct.ca!newsfeed.direct.ca!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!mdrn From: dallasii@kincyb.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit/DOS-Emu Date: 8 Sep 1997 03:01:23 -0700 Organization: None Lines: 44 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: MHS Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7634 [I'm cross-posting this to several forums where I think it will be appropriate for discussion. I apologize to anyone who finds it inappropriate.] Question: 1) MS-DOS Kermit requires direct access to COM ports. 2) LINUX DOS-Emu does not allow direct access to PC COM ports. 3) Therefore, MS-DOS Kermit cannot funtion in the LINUX DOS-Emu environment? Is there any disagreement with this conclusion? I've tried several variations of device file settings for DOS-Emu that look like they might have anything to do with the COM port in question, and always MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 locks up, apparently never getting into running the initialization command files. (This is with S.u.S.E. distribution, 2.0.28 Kernel as I recall, 16550A UARTs, MS-DOS Kermit running OK under OS/2 WARP DOS emulation, VDMs, DR DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 5.0, Caldera Open DOS 7.01, anything else anyone needs to know?) It's probably best to send a duplicate of any responding post to me email. Regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' legan@acm.org aw585@lafn.org dallasii@kincyb.com "But I found that the rulers were ordinary men, too, and frequently as bewildered as I was." from "Solution Unsatisfactory" by Robert A. Heinlein I speak only for myself, and assume full responsibility for my statements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 09:54:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22339 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00825 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit to Kermit/2 script conversion notes Date: 8 Sep 1997 13:54:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 168 Message-ID: <5v102b$cen$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7635 In article , wrote: : : [I'm cross-posting this to several forums where I think it will be : appropriate for discussion. : I apologize to anyone who finds it inappropriate (or long winded).] It is considered polite to cross-post by listing all of the newsgroups in one copy of the post instead of sending separate posts to each group. That way every group gets to see the responses. : Some notes on converting command files from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 to : Kermit/2 (Kermit-95 (C-Kermit for Windows-95) for OS/2) : (henceforth referred to as K2, K/2 or K2.EXE) : I welcome any comments: : : 1) The OS/2 "EXTPROC" command seems to be the most underdocumented : OS/2 command I've come across. Few of the BIG, THICK OS/2 books : (henceforth referred to as BTOB's) had much on it. Almost nowhere : was there a real working example of it. : I expected it to be something similar to the UNIX : "#!/full/path/specification/to/the/interpreter" feature for the : first line of a script. Almost, but not quite. : The documentation all said something to the effect of: : : EXTPROC :\full\path\interpreter That is the correct syntax for EXTPROC, but ... : I *expected* to use something like: : : EXTPROC :\full\path\k2.exe = %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 This is not the syntax for Kermit-95. K95 (and C-Kermit) requires that the command file be the first parameter on the command line. : on the first line of the procs to use them as OS/2 commands that : would pass the parameters to the script previously used for : MS-DOS Kermit into \&@[0] ... \&@[8]. : : What I found was needed was: : : EXTPROC :\full\path\k2.exe :\full\path\to\the\script.cmd That is almost correct. Try just EXTPROC K2.EXE assuming that K2.EXE is in your PATH. Then it should work fine. OS/2 will expand the current .CMD file and use that as the first parameter, and then the .CMD command line parameters will follow it. You can then access the command line parameters using command line argument array \&@[]. : A further example: : : file1 (ktest5.cmd): : ************************************************************ : EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE C:\USR\COMM\Ktest6.CMD : ; A--Note : ; LAFN login script : ; DEL 30/01/97 : echo \&@[0] \&@[1] \&@[2] \&@[3] \&@[4] \&@[5] \&@[6] : IF DEFINED \&@[3] ASSIGN \%1 \&@[3] : IF DEFINED \&@[4] ASSIGN \%2 \&@[4] : IF DEFINED \&@[5] ASSIGN \%3 \&@[5] : echo \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \7 \7 \7 \7 \7 the input : echo Ktest5!\13\10 : EXIT : ***************************************************************** This runs Ktest6.cmd instead of Ktest5.cmd because you have hard coded the first parameter passed to K95 to be ktest6.cmd. : file2 (ktest6.cmd): : ****************************************************************** : EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE C:\USR\COMM\Ktest6.CMD : ; LAFN login script : ; DEL 30/01/97 : echo Suprise, you got Ktest6 instead!\13\10 : EXIT : ******************************************************************* : Yes, I was suprised. : EXTPROC seems to work as a comment most of the time, and : under certain circumstances as non-returning branch. In K95 EXTPROC is exactly equivalent to COMMENT. It is a alias. : (one of the goals here is a command "lynx " that will take : me directly from the OS/2 command line to my LA FreeNet account : with Lynx active on my screen.) You could do that with regular .CMD and .KSC files and bypass the EXTPROC procedures. : 2) While functioning as a comment in K/2, and apparently in : most versions of C-Kermit, EXTPROC required some bogus : definition as a macro to minimize interuption when scripts : were run back with MS-DOS Kermit, I think I just : "define EXTPROC echo" in my MSCUSTOM.INI file to allow things : to flow smoothly. EXTPROC is not supported in DOS. Therefore, I do not believe that anybody ever thought to add it there. : 4) The GUI dialer works fine for targets where dialing in : usually goes quickly with lots of open ports. With targets : like a University mainframe on a Sunday afternoone, where : everyone is trying to get their homework assignments finished, : or my previous eMail provider, I found I needed scripts that : would keep trying till they got through. Is there someway : to set up the dialer so it will accept the userid/password : as parameters, or ask you for them, without storing them, : when invoked, then pass them to the dialup script. : This may just be a point of my own ignorance about the Dialer & GUIs. : I know it can be built into the scripts, but it seems like this : should be just as much a part of the Dialer as the ability to : store non-unique non-security issue passwords permenantly in the : Dialer database. The dialer provides for automatic retries. No scripting required. This is built into K95's DIAL command. The number of retries, interval between retries, etc are located on the Location->General page. If your host has multiple phone numbers you want to try use a Dialing directory and specify the dialing directory entry name in the phone number field instead of an actual phone number. K95 will auto-dial through the entire list. The dialer will not prompt for the password. However, you can specify your own wrapper script that will prompt for the password and then TAKE LOGIN.KSC to login. I will consider adding this feature. : 5) I found I was frequently having to modify portions of the : scripts to have a set of commands like: : : input : reinput 1 : : It seems that when it's late at night, the target/host CPU has little : to occupy it, and the not so busy phone lines allow a 28,800 connection : maybe the prompts that the target are sending sneak through before interpreter : on my feeble '386 is ready to respond, so it needs to recheck : the received input to find something that was missed. When the host is : busy and responds sluggishly, the phone lines are clogged and don't : allow such fast connections the "input" command will catch the prompt : itself. But this doesn't make any sense since everything must go through : my CPU (the one running K/2) anyway, so why should it miss anything to begin : with? Is this some sort of interupt/multi-threading issue, or am I just : working to late on this to think clearly? You will have to show us the script you are using to login in for us to help you on this one. Of course, the usual things apply when using high speed modems make sure that your flow control for the modem and the serial port are set to Hardware Flow Control so that you do not lose data and be sure to use a buffered UART such as a 16550. Send support questions to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 11:00:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07061 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04174 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit/DOS-Emu Date: 8 Sep 1997 15:00:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-ID: <5v13tv$efq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7636 comp.os.linux.misc:213692 In article , wrote: : [I'm cross-posting this to several forums where I think it will be : appropriate for discussion. : I apologize to anyone who finds it inappropriate.] : There was only one group in your Newsgroup header here, so replies will not go to the other ones you might have posted it too, which is probably not going to be very useful to readers of the other groups who might be interested in the results. I'll add comp.os.linux.misc to this reply, since that is also a good place for this query. : Question: : : 1) MS-DOS Kermit requires direct access to COM ports. : Not necessarily. It can also use the BIOS and FOSSIL interfaces. : 2) LINUX DOS-Emu does not allow direct access to PC COM ports. : I don't know; I'm sure somebody who knows about DOSEMU will speak up. : 3) Therefore, MS-DOS Kermit cannot funtion in the LINUX DOS-Emu : environment? : : Is there any disagreement with this conclusion? : : I've tried several variations of device file settings for DOS-Emu that : look like they might have anything to do with the COM port in question, : and always MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 locks up, apparently never getting : into running the initialization command files. : (This is with S.u.S.E. distribution, 2.0.28 Kernel as I recall, : 16550A UARTs, MS-DOS Kermit running OK under OS/2 WARP DOS emulation, : VDMs, DR DOS 5.0, MS-DOS 5.0, Caldera Open DOS 7.01, anything else anyone : needs to know?) : If DOSEMU won't let you see the physical port, then MS-DOS Kermit ought to be able to operate the port through the "BIOS" (which, no doubt, is also emulated in this case). However, performance in this case will be very poor, just as it is on a bare DOS PC when you tell it to SET PORT BIOS1 (or 2, etc), rather than SET PORT COM1 (etc), and there will be no access to modem signals and therefore no flow control, no RS-232/V.24 hangup, no carrier detection, etc. Does DOSEMU come with a FOSSIL driver interface for the serial ports? If so, you can use that to much better advantage -- the Fossil interface can be quite fast. If this interface is supported by DOSEMU, just tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT FOSSIL 1 (or 2, etc). Supposing you can get serial communication going, you might still have some problems with the video -- in particular, switching video modes: text/ graphics, 80/132 columns, etc. And I have no idea what sort of access DOSEMU gives to the Linux file system, how it handles LF/CRLF mapping, etc, so you're on your own for all that. Still, it would be interesting to hear reports on MS-DOS Kermit under DOSEMU. I have seen it run successfully under some of the other DOS emulators, like the one for NeXTSTEP (but this one required that the serial ports be "uninstalled" from NeXTSTEP itself, and reinstalled in a special way for DOS -- I don't recall the details). Meanwhile, of course there is also C-Kermit for Linux. As you know, unlike MS-DOS Kermit, it is not a terminal emulator itself, but when seen through your console or Xterm (etc) window, the effect is approximately the same, perhaps minus some conveniences: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 11:20:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11248 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05214 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <01bcb2dc$3864a340$c13aa8c2@peters> <8IbO7ONq1$xA@cc.usu.edu> From: marc.levy@williams.edu Date: Mon, 08 Sep 97 11:12:28 -0400 Subject: problems using xsend Message-ID: <341417ac$1$znep.yril$mr2ice@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> X-Newsreader: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.32 b33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 166.72.247.92 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 47 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.248!newsm.ibm.net!ibm.net!news2.ibm.net!166.72.247.92 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7637 Anyone have any clues why I'm having this problem with xsend? I'm trying to use kermit-95 for OS2 as a transfer utility between my desktop and notebook, both OS2 warp v. 4 machines. I'm trying to synchronize directories, following the advice in the readme that came with readme, and the comments in the xsend.cmd file. What happens is this: xsend works as it is supposed to for the first few directories, transfering files and creating subdirectories as needed. But then, after going through about 6 or so subdirectories of the tree I'm trying to transfer, it keeps creating directories as needed on the notebook but getting stuck in this one (always the same) directory on the desktop. So once it gets stuck like that it starts creating all these directories on the notebook but copying into them the same files, from the same wrong directory on the desktop. E.G. it will copy desktop/subdira -> notebook/subdira desktop/subdirb -> notebook/subdirb desktop/subdirc -> notebook/subdirc desktop/subdird -> notebook/subdird desktop/subdird -> notebook/subdire desktop/subdird -> notebook/subdirf and so on until I escape out. I've tried changing the file type from labeled to binary, but that didn't help. I tried using the xsend32.com that came with kermit-95 but couldn't figure it out. the xsend32.txt referred to in the documentation was not on my disks. Any help would of course be greatly appreciated. - Marc ----------------------------------------------------------- Marc Levy marc.levy@williams.edu ----------------------------------------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 12:10:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22868 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07733 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems using xsend Date: 8 Sep 1997 16:10:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <5v1827$h2r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcb2dc$3864a340$c13aa8c2@peters> <8IbO7ONq1$xA@cc.usu.edu> <341417ac$1$znep.yril$mr2ice@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7638 In article <341417ac$1$znep.yril$mr2ice@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net>, wrote: : Anyone have any clues why I'm having this problem with xsend? : : I'm trying to use kermit-95 for OS2 as a transfer utility between my : desktop and notebook, both OS2 warp v. 4 machines. I'm trying to : synchronize directories, following the advice in the readme that came with : readme, and the comments in the xsend.cmd file. : : What happens is this: : : xsend works as it is supposed to for the first few directories, : transfering files and creating subdirectories as needed. But then, after : going through about 6 or so subdirectories of the tree I'm trying to : transfer, it keeps creating directories as needed on the notebook but : getting stuck in this one (always the same) directory on the desktop. So : once it gets stuck like that it starts creating all these directories on : the notebook but copying into them the same files, from the same wrong : directory on the desktop. : : E.G. it will copy : : desktop/subdira -> notebook/subdira : desktop/subdirb -> notebook/subdirb : desktop/subdirc -> notebook/subdirc : desktop/subdird -> notebook/subdird : desktop/subdird -> notebook/subdire : desktop/subdird -> notebook/subdirf : : and so on until I escape out. : : I've tried changing the file type from labeled to binary, but that didn't : help. You will need to send packet and debug logs from both sides of the connection to kermit-support@columbia.edu in order for us to track this one down. : I tried using the xsend32.com that came with kermit-95 but couldn't figure : it out. the xsend32.txt referred to in the documentation was not on my : disks. Where is xsend32.txt referred to? The docs for XSEND32.EXE are in DOCS\UPDATES.TXT section 5.8. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 13:09:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06962 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:08:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10671 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!newsfeed.nacamar.de!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: It is not a bug but a suggestion for improvement of MSK315 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:19:28 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 49 Message-ID: <3412651b.3423267@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: par26.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7639 I have a suggestion for improvement of MSK315 : There are two different variables that give result of input and minput command : \v(instatus) Status of most recent INPUT or MINPUT command: -1 for not initialized yet 0 for success 1 for timed out 2 for user level Control-C interrupt 4 for connection lost \v(minput) Shows which search pattern was matched by the MINPUT command, which is a script INPUT command with one or more match patterns. The variable is 0 if no match was obtained. If \v(instatus) is more than 0 it is failure if \v(minput) is more than 0 it is success It is not coherent. I suggest that \v(minput) not only gives the matched pattern but also gives the status of the command : -4 Connection Lost -3 User Level Control-C interrupt -2 Timed Out -1 Not initialized yet 0 No match 1 ..... XX number of matched pattern With this, only one switch structure is sufficient to test all cases : Switch \v(minput) { :-4,management of connection lost,break :-3,management of User Interrupt,break :-2,management of Timeout,break :-1,management of not initialized,break :0,management of no match,break :1,management of match 1,break :2......... } Comments please. Best regards, == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 13:11:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07409 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10895 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: Bill Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 scripting in NT... Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 09:21:36 -0700 Organization: FNIC Lines: 31 Message-ID: <3414260F.9A29DCA5@earthlink.net> References: <3410B039.DE575B99@earthlink.net> <3410f5ef.185145194@news.rochester.ican.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.217.15.149 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7640 Vincent Fatica wrote: > On Fri, 05 Sep 1997 18:22:01 -0700, Bill > wrote: > > Here's a revised version of the script: > >def ALPHA { > > ask \%u Username: > > askq \%p Password: > > ask \%h Host: > > set network type tcp > > set host \%h > ;> connect > > input 5 username > > output \%u\13 > > input 5 password > > output \%p\13 connect } And, it works! Thanks much. Bill [snip] From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 13:12:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07569 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10910 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Possibility to write Minput command in separate lines in MSK315 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:28:28 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 22 Message-ID: <34136556.3481737@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parb25.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7641 Is there any possibility to write Minput commands in more than one line in order to improve legibility and printing ? For example, this minput line (word wrapped by Agent) is not very well readable minput \%d { CHAPTER-} {SAME CHAPTER} {E N D O F U U T T E S T} {M A J O R F A I L U R E} {T E S T A B O R T E D} It will be better if we can write it in separate lines : minput \%d { { CHAPTER-} {SAME CHAPTER} {E N D O F U U T T E S T} {M A J O R F A I L U R E} {T E S T A B O R T E D} } Comments please. == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 13:12:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07591 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10914 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: It is not a bug but a suggestion for improvement of MSK315 Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 15:28:21 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 49 Message-ID: <34141941.323800@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parb25.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7642 I have a suggestion for improvement of MSK315 : There are two different variables that give result of input and minput command : \v(instatus) Status of most recent INPUT or MINPUT command: -1 for not initialized yet 0 for success 1 for timed out 2 for user level Control-C interrupt 4 for connection lost \v(minput) Shows which search pattern was matched by the MINPUT command, which is a script INPUT command with one or more match patterns. The variable is 0 if no match was obtained. If \v(instatus) is more than 0 it is failure if \v(minput) is more than 0 it is success It is not coherent. I suggest that \v(minput) not only gives the matched pattern but also gives the status of the command : -4 Connection Lost -3 User Level Control-C interrupt -2 Timed Out -1 Not initialized yet 0 No match 1 ..... XX number of matched pattern With this, only one switch structure is sufficient to test all cases : Switch \v(minput) { :-4,management of connection lost,break :-3,management of User Interrupt,break :-2,management of Timeout,break :-1,management of not initialized,break :0,management of no match,break :1,management of match 1,break :2......... } Comments please. Best regards, == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 13:39:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14323 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: It is not a bug but a suggestion for improvement of MSK315 Date: 8 Sep 1997 17:39:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <5v1d85$ka6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3412651b.3423267@news.calvacom.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7643 In article <3412651b.3423267@news.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : I have a suggestion for improvement of MSK315 : : : There are two different variables that give result of input and minput : command : : : \v(instatus) : Status of most recent INPUT or MINPUT command: : -1 for not initialized yet : 0 for success : 1 for timed out : 2 for user level Control-C interrupt : 4 for connection lost : : \v(minput) : Shows which search pattern was matched by the MINPUT command, which : is a script INPUT command with one or more match patterns. The : variable is 0 if no match was obtained. : : If \v(instatus) is more than 0 it is failure : if \v(minput) is more than 0 it is success : : It is not coherent. : It's history. : I suggest that \v(minput) not only gives the matched pattern but also gives : the status of the command : : -4 Connection Lost : -3 User Level Control-C interrupt : -2 Timed Out : -1 Not initialized yet : 0 No match : 1 ..... XX number of matched pattern : Maybe we could do this, but we would have to keep the previous forms too, and then any scripts that used the new values in the manner you suggest would need to allow for the old ones too if they were to be portable. Anyway, we will consider this suggestion; thanks! - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 13:44:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15197 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA12462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Possibility to write Minput command in separate lines in MSK315 Date: 8 Sep 1997 17:43:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <5v1dgv$kfd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34136556.3481737@news.calvacom.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7644 In article <34136556.3481737@news.calvacom.fr>, Dominique Ottello wrote: : Is there any possibility to write Minput commands in more than one line in : order to improve legibility and printing ? : Of course. Kermit commands can be continued using a hyphen (dash) at the end of the continued line. : For example, this minput line (word wrapped by Agent) is not very well : readable : : minput \%d { CHAPTER-} {SAME CHAPTER} {E N D O F U U T T E S T} {M : A J O R F A I L U R E} {T E S T A B O R T E D} : : It will be better if we can write it in separate lines : : : minput \%d { : { CHAPTER-} : {SAME CHAPTER} : {E N D O F U U T T E S T} : {M A J O R F A I L U R E} : {T E S T A B O R T E D} : } : This syntax ALMOST works but not quite; for consistency with other aspects of the parser, perhaps it should -- we will look into this. But meanwhile, of course, you can use the hyphen: minput \%d - { CHAPTER-} - {SAME CHAPTER} - {E N D O F U U T T E S T} - {M A J O R F A I L U R E} - {T E S T A B O R T E D} - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 14:15:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA21077 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:15:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14121 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit/DOS-Emu Message-ID: Date: 8 Sep 97 10:26:23 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7645 In article , dallasii@kincyb.com writes: > [I'm cross-posting this to several forums where I think it will be > appropriate for discussion. > I apologize to anyone who finds it inappropriate.] > > Question: > > 1) MS-DOS Kermit requires direct access to COM ports. Is that a question or a statement? If the latter the answer is no. If you read the manual please discover that MSK can run over networks and to serial ports via slow simple-minded BIOS calls. I don't recommend SET PORT BIOSx, but it is there and works. > 2) LINUX DOS-Emu does not allow direct access to PC COM ports. > > 3) Therefore, MS-DOS Kermit cannot funtion in the LINUX DOS-Emu > environment? The logic is faulty. I don't use Linux so I can't help you with that part of things. If you have an emulator which simulates the serial port hardware then MSK will probably run. Complaints on that to makers of simulators. In general, Unix does not permit use applications to touch the hardware because the hardware belongs to more than one user app. The Kermit of choice for Unix systems is C Kermit. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 8 22:24:17 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA17658 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA12679 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit/DOS-Emu Message-ID: Date: 8 Sep 97 19:33:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7646 In article , jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , dallasii@kincyb.com writes: >> [I'm cross-posting this to several forums where I think it will be >> appropriate for discussion. >> I apologize to anyone who finds it inappropriate.] >> >> Question: >> >> 1) MS-DOS Kermit requires direct access to COM ports. > > Is that a question or a statement? > If the latter the answer is no. If you read the manual please > discover that MSK can run over networks and to serial ports via slow > simple-minded BIOS calls. I don't recommend SET PORT BIOSx, but it is > there and works. > >> 2) LINUX DOS-Emu does not allow direct access to PC COM ports. >> >> 3) Therefore, MS-DOS Kermit cannot funtion in the LINUX DOS-Emu >> environment? > > The logic is faulty. I don't use Linux so I can't help you with > that part of things. If you have an emulator which simulates the serial > port hardware then MSK will probably run. Complaints on that to makers > of simulators. In general, Unix does not permit use applications to touch > the hardware because the hardware belongs to more than one user app. > The Kermit of choice for Unix systems is C Kermit. > Joe D. --------- Adding a bit more in case folks remain puzzled. A DOS emulator emulates DOS, as expected. But no comms program in its right mind uses DOS to perform communications i/o. DOS doesn't have the facilities. The programs which try to use the PC Bios, INT 14h, get on a little better but not by much. That's why serial comms on PCs go straight to the serial port hardware. Thus even a Bios emulator doesn't help much. One needs an emulator of the hardware. Surprizingly such things exist, and MS markets them as MS Windows. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 9 05:58:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA26699 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA03088 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!uwm.edu!gsl-penn-ns.gsl.net!news-fw.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newssvt05.tk!newssvt04.tk!nntp-egw.ocn.ad.jp!nn-tk001.ocn.ad.jp!jwt From: jwt@shrine.cyber.ad.jp (Jim Tittsler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit/DOS-Emu Date: 9 Sep 1997 01:39:13 GMT Organization: 7J1AJH/AI8A Tokyo Lines: 5 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: mon.dskk.co.jp X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.1 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7647 On 8 Sep 1997 03:01:23 -0700, dallasii@kincyb.com wrote: >2) LINUX DOS-Emu does not allow direct access to PC COM ports. By adjusting the ports {} entry in your dosemu.conf you can allow access to specified ports or ranges of ports. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 9 10:25:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26954 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17232 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed1-hme1!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!nntp.info.ucla.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!sinus.seqeb.gov.au!un.seqeb.gov.au!nl012 From: nl012@un.seqeb.gov.au ( NEIL LOVELY) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.14 & Toshiba 460CDT internal modem Date: 9 Sep 1997 06:11:22 GMT Organization: SEQEB Lines: 26 Message-ID: <5v2paa$4jg@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: un.seqeb.gov.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7648 Hello, We are trying to get MSKermit 3.14 working with the internal modem of the Toshiba 460CDT laptop. We connect with the following sequence SET PORT 2 SET SPEED 38400 CONNECT If we then do an ATZ, we do not get OK but rather O_ (i.e. O followed by flashing underscore). At this point the terminal emulator has stopped responding to the keyboard and the only way out is to ALT-X back to the Kermit prompt. If we leave SPEED set at 2400 (the default) then Kermit behaves as expected. If anyone has been able to get Kermit working in this situation with a port speed of 38400 (or higher) please post or email me the fix. Neil -- Neil Lovely | Computer Support Engineer | e-mail : nl012@un.seqeb.gov.au South East Queensland Electricity Board | Phone : +61 7 223 4256 GPO Box 1461 Brisbane Q 4001 Australia | Fax : +61 7 221 7556 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 9 12:00:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17945 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22189 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Toshiba 460CDT internal modem Date: 9 Sep 1997 15:59:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <5v3rpq$5ec$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5v2paa$4jg@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7649 In article <5v2paa$4jg@sinus.seqeb.gov.au>, NEIL LOVELY wrote: : We are trying to get MSKermit 3.14 working with the internal modem : of the Toshiba 460CDT laptop. : We connect with the following sequence : SET PORT 2 : SET SPEED 38400 : CONNECT : If we then do an ATZ, we do not get OK but rather O_ (i.e. O followed by : flashing underscore). At this point the terminal emulator has stopped : responding to the keyboard and the only way out is to ALT-X back to the : Kermit prompt. : And you're sure this is a letter O and not a digit zero? : If we leave SPEED set at 2400 (the default) then Kermit behaves as : expected. : : If anyone has been able to get Kermit working in this situation : with a port speed of 38400 (or higher) please post or email me the fix. : What operating system are you running MS-DOS Kermit under? If it's any variety of Windows -- as it probably is, since who runs DOS on a laptop these days -- you're probably being thwarted by Windows' port hardware emulation. If you can boot DOS (rather than Windows) and MS-DOS Kermit works OK at 38400, that would confirm this theory, and there isn't much you can do about it other than switch to Kermit 95 if your laptop is running Windows 95, NT, or OS/2: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html On the other hand, if it doesn't work under DOS either, then we have a whole panoply of additional possibilities. Perhaps the modem's baud-rate detection mechanism doesn't work at 38400. I have seen many modems that fall into this category, although most of them are some years old. For example, to use most Telebit models at higher speeds, one had to first connect at a low speed, get it to recognize AT and give an OK, and then tell it (by setting an S-register) to switch to 57600 or whatever. Another more sinister possibility is that it is a Winmodem, RPI modem, or the like and can't be operated by MS-DOS Kermit at all because it is a DOS application (but that would not necessarily explain why it appears to work at 2400 bps -- but does it really? The fact that you can type AT and get OK doesn't necessarily mean it can make a connection.) The list goes on, there is no point in enumerating all the possibilities here. So first try it in DOS and if that doesn't work then consult your modem manual (if there is one -- preinstalled internal modems these days rarely come with manuals -- you're lucky yours even has a brand name...) and send further details by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 9 12:08:52 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19742 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA22693 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!oleane!calvacom!not-for-mail From: do11@calva.net (Dominique Ottello) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cancel "It is not a bug but a suggestion for improvement of MSK315" Control: cancel <34141941.323800@news.calvacom.fr> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:42:27 GMT Organization: PCatHome&Me Lines: 2 Message-ID: <34156a7f.3098163@news.calvacom.fr> Reply-To: do11@calva.net NNTP-Posting-Host: parb08.calvacom.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:16275735 == Dominique Ottello == do11@calva.net == Paris == France == From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 9 20:09:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27907 for ; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA18233 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!feed1.news.erols.com!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!sinus.seqeb.gov.au!un.seqeb.gov.au!nl012 From: nl012@un.seqeb.gov.au ( NEIL LOVELY) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Toshiba 460CDT internal modem Date: 10 Sep 1997 00:02:26 GMT Organization: SEQEB Lines: 51 Message-ID: <5v4o2i$fkd@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> References: <5v2paa$4jg@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> <5v3rpq$5ec$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: un.seqeb.gov.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7650 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : And you're sure this is a letter O and not a digit zero? positive : What operating system are you running MS-DOS Kermit under? If it's any : variety of Windows -- as it probably is, since who runs DOS on a laptop : these days -- you're probably being thwarted by Windows' port hardware : emulation. If you can boot DOS (rather than Windows) and MS-DOS Kermit : works OK at 38400, that would confirm this theory, and there isn't much : you can do about it other than switch to Kermit 95 if your laptop is : running Windows 95, NT, or OS/2: We run a kermit script under DOS 6.20 to dial-in to work from home. : On the other hand, if it doesn't work under DOS either, then we have a : whole panoply of additional possibilities. Perhaps the modem's baud-rate : detection mechanism doesn't work at 38400. I have seen many modems that : fall into this category, although most of them are some years old. For : example, to use most Telebit models at higher speeds, one had to first : connect at a low speed, get it to recognize AT and give an OK, and then : tell it (by setting an S-register) to switch to 57600 or whatever. : Another more sinister possibility is that it is a Winmodem, RPI modem, : or the like and can't be operated by MS-DOS Kermit at all because it is : a DOS application (but that would not necessarily explain why it appears : to work at 2400 bps -- but does it really? The fact that you can type : AT and get OK doesn't necessarily mean it can make a connection.) This internal modem connects perfectly with SPEED set to 2400. It has successfully made a connection at 28800 to another modem connected to a unix box. : The list goes on, there is no point in enumerating all the possibilities : here. So first try it in DOS and if that doesn't work then consult your : modem manual (if there is one -- preinstalled internal modems these days This Toshiba laptop certainly came with a modem manual ;-) : rarely come with manuals -- you're lucky yours even has a brand name...) : and send further details by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Thanks for the initial ideas. Neil -- Neil Lovely | Computer Support Engineer | e-mail : nl012@un.seqeb.gov.au South East Queensland Electricity Board | Phone : +61 7 223 4256 GPO Box 1461 Brisbane Q 4001 Australia | Fax : +61 7 221 7556 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 04:11:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA11253 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11145 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 04:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in5.uu.net!world!world!wpns From: wpns@world.std.com (William Smith) Subject: Telnet over PPP problems? Message-ID: Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:45:23 GMT Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7651 Anyone else ever have problems getting K95 to start a Telnet session over a PPP link? I can Telnet from my work using K95 to my ISP without any problems (except when the Internet is slow), but I occasionally have trouble getting a session to start over a PPP link. I'm using Win95 OSR2 and establishing a dialup connection to my ISP, and WWWeb browsing works fine. Sometimes when I start a "telnet world.std.com" session it takes a long time to get the login banner/prompt, and occasionally it never shows up. Hitting ^]a gets no response, though if the banner/prompt is merely delayed i'll get a couple of [Yes] responses just before it shows. I called my ISP and they brought K95 into question as a Telnet client, I thought I'd check to see if this rings any bells with the rest of the K95 users before I go haring off to try to find a better client... -- Willie Smith wpns@world.std.com N1JBJ@amsat.org #define NII Information SuperCollider From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 10:33:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20077 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19560 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet over PPP problems? Date: 10 Sep 1997 14:33:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <5v6b2u$agu$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7652 In article , William Smith wrote: : Anyone else ever have problems getting K95 to start a Telnet session : over a PPP link? I can Telnet from my work using K95 to my ISP : without any problems (except when the Internet is slow), but I : occasionally have trouble getting a session to start over a PPP link. : It should make no difference, other than speed, what is sitting below IP in your TCP/IP stack: Ethernet, ISDN, PPP, SLIP, or paper cups and wet string. Except of course that whatever it is must be set up correctly, and must itself work correctly. But normally, it all should "just work". However, some cautions do apply to modem connections (e.g. for SLIP or PPP). For example, they can become awfully slow for various reasons -- V.34 modems dropping down to lower modulations to adapt to link quality; error-correcting modems doing lots of retransmissions due to line noise. And of course it is absolutely vital that you have RTS/CTS flow control enabled between PPP and the modem, and also that your PC contain a buffered UART (16550A), since unbuffered UARTs (8650, 16450, etc) are certain to lose data, even when RTS/CTS is in effect. However, from your description I don't think any of these necessarily bears upon your situation. : I'm using Win95 OSR2 and establishing a dialup connection to my ISP, : and WWWeb browsing works fine. Sometimes when I start a "telnet : world.std.com" session it takes a long time to get the login : banner/prompt, and occasionally it never shows up. Hitting ^]a gets : no response, though if the banner/prompt is merely delayed i'll get a : couple of [Yes] responses just before it shows. : The "[Yes]" message comes from the distant Telnet server. This means that Kermit 95 has successfully connected to the Telnet server on world.std.com, and so it has done its job. If the distant Telnet server is not giving you a login prompt right away, that's because the underlying service is slow -- e.g. too busy, too many users logged in, etc -- it's taking a long time for the login process (a separate program that is started by the Telnet server) to load and start, and this has nothing to do with Kermit. If the "[Yes]" messages show up immediately when you enter ^]a, this also means that the problem has nothing to do with the network connection itself, since the "Are You There?" message and its reply are going back and forth without delay or obstruction. : I called my ISP and they brought K95 into question as a Telnet client, : I thought I'd check to see if this rings any bells with the rest of : the K95 users before I go haring off to try to find a better client... : It has nothing to do with Kermit 95. To prove this to yourself, crank up Microsoft Telnet or any other client and see whether the same problem occurs under the same conditions (for a fair test, run them side by side in separate windows). By the way, if you want to watch what goes on between Kermit 95 and the remote Telnet server, do this: K-95> set terminal debug on K-95> telnet world.std.com After you get the login prompt (if you ever do), use Alt-d to turn off debugging. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 10:36:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21379 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19882 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 10:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Toshiba 460CDT internal modem Date: 10 Sep 1997 14:36:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5v6ba7$amn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5v2paa$4jg@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> <5v3rpq$5ec$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5v4o2i$fkd@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7653 In article <5v4o2i$fkd@sinus.seqeb.gov.au>, NEIL LOVELY wrote: : Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : : : And you're sure this is a letter O and not a digit zero? : : positive : : : What operating system are you running MS-DOS Kermit under? : : We run a kermit script under DOS 6.20 to dial-in to work from home. : And I must ask you once again: is this bare DOS 6.20 as the base operating system, or is it "DOS 6.20" inside a "DOS" window of Windows or other OS? : This internal modem connects perfectly with SPEED set to 2400. It : has successfully made a connection at 28800 to another modem connected to : a unix box. : Using what software? In any case, now is the time for you to read Section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that came with your copy of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 11:16:58 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28912 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!newscore.univie.ac.at!news-ge.switch.ch!eru.mt.luth.se!news.lth.se!e91on From: e91on@efd.lth.se (Ola Nilsson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connecting kermit to emulated system Date: 10 Sep 1997 15:16:21 GMT Organization: Lund Institute of Technology, Sweden Lines: 16 Message-ID: <5v6dk5$3aq$1@news.lth.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: batch-1.efd.lth.se NNTP-Posting-User: e91on Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7654 Hello! I'm working on a emulator of a system under SunOS. The emulated system has a serial port which is used as a console for the system. When running the real system kermit is used to connect to /dev/ttya (or some tty). Now I would like to use kermit to connect to the emulator as well. The first thing I tried was to use pipes. However kermit refuse to open a connection to anything but a real tty. Could this be done without using two serial ports on the Sun box with a null-modem between them? /Ola Nilsson From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 11:27:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01122 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22471 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting kermit to emulated system Date: 10 Sep 1997 15:27:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <5v6e8t$c5m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5v6dk5$3aq$1@news.lth.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7655 In article <5v6dk5$3aq$1@news.lth.se>, Ola Nilsson wrote: : I'm working on a emulator of a system under SunOS. : The emulated system has a serial port which is used : as a console for the system. When running the real : system kermit is used to connect to /dev/ttya : (or some tty). : : Now I would like to use kermit to connect to the : emulator as well. The first thing I tried was to : use pipes. However kermit refuse to open a : connection to anything but a real tty. : : Could this be done without using two serial ports : on the Sun box with a null-modem between them? : But you are running Kermit under SunOS, right? If you are trying to emulate a serial port, then you have to write a device driver that behaves like a serial port driver. At minimum, isatty() should succeed on this device, and select(), read(), and write() should work on it. Then the many terminal-related ioctls() should at least pretend to work. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 11:45:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06126 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23556 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: Connecting kermit to emulated system Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <5v6dk5$3aq$1@news.lth.se> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:38:44 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: gerlach@netcom23.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7656 You could setup your emulator to listen for telnet connections and use kermit's ability to be a telnet client. Matthew In article <5v6dk5$3aq$1@news.lth.se> e91on@efd.lth.se (Ola Nilsson) writes: >Hello! >I'm working on a emulator of a system under SunOS. >The emulated system has a serial port which is used >as a console for the system. When running the real >system kermit is used to connect to /dev/ttya >(or some tty). > >Now I would like to use kermit to connect to the >emulator as well. The first thing I tried was to >use pipes. However kermit refuse to open a >connection to anything but a real tty. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 18:41:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA05254 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.126.101.73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: merlito Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: http://home.fia.net/~crespom Date: 10 Sep 1997 12:03:38 GMT Organization: paper air machines Lines: 3 Message-ID: <5v62aq$aqc$11195@usenet88.supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 11084@207.104.75.52 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7657 http://home.fia.net/~crespom From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 19:05:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA09058 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA15812 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK315 Alert Bell Organization: National Federation of the Blind of Washington From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) NNTP-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Message-ID: <341715ff.0@news.pacifier.com> Date: 10 Sep 97 21:49:51 GMT Lines: 15 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.he.net!pacifier!news.pacifier.com!mikef Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7658 When using MSK315 Beta 25 in local mode and GETting a file from C-Kermit V6.0(192) on a Vax/VMS system, the bell does not ring at the end of file transmission when MSK315 is set to FILE DISPLAY SERIAL. When FILE DISPLAY REGULAR (or TERMINAL DISPLAY REGULAR, for that matter) is in effect, the bell *does* ring after file transfer is complete. I think that this bug was around in Ms-Kermit V3.14 also. Thanks. Mike Freeman -- Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ .. I doubt, therefore I might be. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 20:11:16 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20611 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19192 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.20.0.14!vncnews!newsfeed2.vnc.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@08.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet over PPP problems? Date: 10 Sep 1997 17:57:27 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5v6n27$hnr$1@samba.rahul.net> References: Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7659 William Smith (wpns@world.std.com) wrote: : Anyone else ever have problems getting K95 to start a Telnet session : over a PPP link? I can Telnet from my work using K95 to my ISP : without any problems (except when the Internet is slow), but I : occasionally have trouble getting a session to start over a PPP link. I have K95, patched to 1.1.12, running on Win95 non-OSR2. I invoke the K95 dialer, and double-click on an entry configured for foxtrot.rahul.net. My stock windows PPP dialer connection screen pops up, I hit enter, and my login is accomplished byt the K95 login script. I also sometimes invoke the Internet Explorer first, which causes the dialup, and then got to a Kermit session. I have not experienced a problem in either case, except where the Frame Relay link between the modem server and the ISP is slow. Sometimes the Kermit login will timeout before the password prompt is received. At that point, I just "c", and finish the login manually. I would consider K-95 not to be at fault in this example as soon as the dialer window appears. I could believe that world.std.com is overloaded. Next time this happens, try rahul.net, with a login of guest, instead. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 10 21:57:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08297 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA24528 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news2.chicago.cic.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK315 Alert Bell Message-ID: Date: 10 Sep 97 17:26:14 MDT References: <341715ff.0@news.pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7660 In article <341715ff.0@news.pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > When using MSK315 Beta 25 in local mode and GETting a file from C-Kermit > V6.0(192) on a Vax/VMS system, the bell does not ring at the end of file > transmission when MSK315 is set to FILE DISPLAY SERIAL. When FILE DISPLAY > REGULAR (or TERMINAL DISPLAY REGULAR, for that matter) is in effect, the > bell *does* ring after file transfer is complete. I think that this bug > was around in Ms-Kermit V3.14 also. ---------- It's a feature, of long standing. Yes, you knew I'd say that. Is this a problem for you? Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 11 00:35:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA00628 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA01944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!ix.netcom.com!news From: "Donato Terrone" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 changes from pulse to tone with prefix 9 Date: 11 Sep 1997 04:29:53 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 12 Message-ID: <01bcbe6c$44707f60$a5afb8cd@globalyst-600> NNTP-Posting-Host: ron-ny8-05.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Wed Sep 10 9:29:53 PM PDT 1997 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7661 Hello all, I have tried this on several laptops with win95b [osr2] and USRobotics Sportster modems both external serial and PCMCIA. When I am dialing through a switch that requires the prefix "9" the modem gets the dialtone dials a "9" in tone and then dials ther rest of the phone number in pulse. very strange. In fact it dials all numbers after an initial "9" in pulse mode. Anyone else have this problem? Please email me with a solution or just to comiserate at dterrone@eandi.org. Thanks! Don Terrone From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 11 04:58:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA13551 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA12359 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 04:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!205.185.79.5!zdc!szdc!newsp.zippo.com!mdrn From: dallasii@kincyb.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RE: MSDOS Kermit to Kermit/2.. Date: 11 Sep 1997 00:41:11 -0700 Organization: None Lines: 201 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: MHS Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7662 > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 wrote: > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit to Kermit/2 script conversion notes > Date: 8 Sep 1997 13:54:19 GMT > Organization: Columbia University > Lines: 168 > Message-ID: <5v102b$cen$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> > References: > NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Xref: news.reference.com comp.protocols.kermit.misc:609 > > > > In article , > wrote: > : > : [I'm cross-posting this to several forums where I think it will be > : appropriate for discussion. > : I apologize to anyone who finds it inappropriate (or long winded).] > > It is considered polite to cross-post by listing all of the newsgroups > in one copy of the post instead of sending separate posts to each > group. That way every group gets to see the responses. Sorry. I posted this via post-comp.protocols.kermit.misc@newspost.zippo.com because I've found it more reliable about actually getting something on the newsgroups than my supposedly direct Usenet access (and less trouble than DejaNews) I also posted to post-comp.os.os2.setup.misc@newspost.zippo.com since I viewed it as dealing with 'setup' (right or wrong). There, the only response I got so far was some email from a service at: http://www.experts-exchange.com > > : Some notes on converting command files from MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 to > : Kermit/2 (Kermit-95 (C-Kermit for Windows-95) for OS/2) > : (henceforth referred to as K2, K/2 or K2.EXE) > : I welcome any comments: > : > : 1) The OS/2 "EXTPROC" command seems to be the most underdocumented > : OS/2 command I've come across. Few of the BIG, THICK OS/2 books > : (henceforth referred to as BTOB's) had much on it. Almost nowhere > : was there a real working example of it. > : I expected it to be something similar to the UNIX > : "#!/full/path/specification/to/the/interpreter" feature for the > : first line of a script. Almost, but not quite. > : The documentation all said something to the effect of: > : > : EXTPROC :\full\path\interpreter > > That is the correct syntax for EXTPROC, but ... > > : I *expected* to use something like: > : > : EXTPROC :\full\path\k2.exe = %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 > > This is not the syntax for Kermit-95. K95 (and C-Kermit) requires that > the command file be the first parameter on the command line. > > : on the first line of the procs to use them as OS/2 commands that > : would pass the parameters to the script previously used for > : MS-DOS Kermit into \&@[0] ... \&@[8]. > : > : What I found was needed was: > : > : EXTPROC :\full\path\k2.exe :\full\path\to\the\script.c md > > That is almost correct. > > Try just > > ^HEXTPROC K2.EXE > > assuming that K2.EXE is in your PATH. Then it should work fine. OS/2 > will expand the current .CMD file and use that as the first parameter, > and then the .CMD command line parameters will follow it. > > You can then access the command line parameters using command line > argument array \&@[]. >.............................................................. I think I was confused by the little bit of EXTPROC (in OS/2) documentation I had access to, which coupled with the generic C-Kermit documentation made me think that parameters *needed* to be on the script EXTPROC line, after the interpreter is specified. Here is what I found to work, when the .CMD file is both in the path, or the current directory: EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE ; C:\USR\COMM\Ktest7.CMD ; LAFN login script ; DEL 30/01/97 echo \&@[0] \&@[1] \&@[2] \&@[3] \&@[4] \&@[5] \&@[6] \&@[7] \&@[8] \&@[9] \&@[ 10] IF DEFINED \&@[2] ASSIGN \%1 \&@[2] IF DEFINED \&@[3] ASSIGN \%2 \&@[3] IF DEFINED \&@[4] ASSIGN \%3 \&@[4] echo \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \7 \7 \7 \7 \7 the input echo Ktest7!\13\10 EXIT then I type: ktest7 a b c d e f g which output: Executing D:\K2\K2\EXE for OS/2 Good Evening, smile. D: KTEST7.CMD a b c d e f g a b c the input Ktest7! This is acceptable to me. Does it seem like I'm clear on the concept? > > : 2) While functioning as a comment in K/2, and apparently in > : most versions of C-Kermit, EXTPROC required some bogus > : definition as a macro to minimize interuption when scripts > : were run back with MS-DOS Kermit, I think I just > : "define EXTPROC echo" in my MSCUSTOM.INI file to allow things > : to flow smoothly. > > EXTPROC is not supported in DOS. Therefore, I do not believe that > anybody ever thought to add it there. My goal is to make some command file scripts executable in several OS's on my machine in as many ways as possible, with just one file holding the script - various flavors of DOS and DOS Emulators, OS/2 and LINUX C-Kermit from within the appropriate version of Kermit. Also at least some of the command files should be able to be executed from either the OS/2 or Linux shell command lines. (I think both being impossible due to the mutual exclusion of EXTPROC and #! both being on the first line, but the changes to convert from one to the other should be pretty mechanical. Maybe there is some trick, but I haven't given it much thought.) > > : 4) The GUI dialer works fine for targets where dialing in > : ..................................................... > The dialer provides for automatic retries. No scripting required. > This is built into K95's DIAL command. The number of retries, > interval between retries, etc are located on the Location->General > page. > > If your host has multiple phone numbers you want to try use a Dialing > directory and specify the dialing directory entry name in the phone > number field instead of an actual phone number. K95 will auto-dial > through the entire list. > > The dialer will not prompt for the password. However, you can specify > your own wrapper script that will prompt for the password and then > TAKE LOGIN.KSC to login. I will consider adding this feature. > Thanks for the consideration, and the pointers. > : 5) I found I was frequently having to modify portions of the > : ............................. > : > You will have to show us the script you are using to login in for us > ............................................................ > > Send support questions to kermit-support@columbia.edu. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu > Before I take you up on that, let me experiment some more - this last item wasn't really anything *failing* to work, it just didn't seem intuitive to me. Again, much thanks - you guys have unbelievable patience. Regards, Dallas E. Legan II (562) 862 - 4854 ext. '*' legan@acm.org aw585@lafn.org dallasii@kincyb.com "But I found that the rulers were ordinary men, too, and frequently as bewildered as I was." from "Solution Unsatisfactory" by Robert A. Heinlein I speak only for myself, and assume full responsibility for my statements. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 11 10:11:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18586 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28587 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 95 changes from pulse to tone with prefix 9 Date: 11 Sep 1997 14:11:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <5v8u6e$rse$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcbe6c$44707f60$a5afb8cd@globalyst-600> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7663 In article <01bcbe6c$44707f60$a5afb8cd@globalyst-600>, Donato Terrone wrote: : I have tried this on several laptops with win95b [osr2] and USRobotics : Sportster modems both external serial and PCMCIA. When I am dialing through : a switch that requires the prefix "9" the modem gets the dialtone dials a : "9" in tone and then dials ther rest of the phone number in pulse. very : strange. In fact it dials all numbers after an initial "9" in pulse mode. : >From your Kermit 95 BUGS.TXT file: 134. Tone dialing changes to Pulse after first digit (C) Some modems have a feature called adaptive dialing. When they are told to dial a number using Tone dialing, they check to make sure that dialtone has gone away after dialing the first digit. If it has not, the modem assumes the phone line does not accept Tone dialing and so switches to Pulse. When dialing out from a PBX, there is almost always a secondary dialtone. Typically you take the phone off-hook, get the PBX dialtone, dial "9" to get an outside line, and then get the phone company's dialtone. In a situation like this, you need to tell the modem to expect the secondary dialtone. On Hayes and compatible modems, this is done by putting a "W" in the dial string at the appropriate place. For example, to dial 9 for an outside line, and then 7654321, use ATDT9W7654321. In Kermit 95, this is accomplished with: SET PBX-OUTSIDE-PREFIX 9W (replace "9" with whatever your PBX's outside-line prefix is). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 11 10:37:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25381 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29879 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS Kermit to Kermit/2.. Date: 11 Sep 1997 14:37:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-ID: <5v8vng$sml$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7664 In article , wrote: : ... : Here is what I found to work, when the .CMD file is both in the : path, or the current directory: : : EXTPROC D:\K2\K2.EXE : ; C:\USR\COMM\Ktest7.CMD : echo \&@[0] \&@[1] \&@[2] \&@[3] ... (etc) : IF DEFINED \&@[2] ASSIGN \%1 \&@[2] : IF DEFINED \&@[3] ASSIGN \%2 \&@[3] : IF DEFINED \&@[4] ASSIGN \%3 \&@[4] : echo \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 \7 \7 \7 \7 \7 the input : echo Ktest7!\13\10 : EXIT : : then I type: : ktest7 a b c d e f g : : which output: : : D: KTEST7.CMD a b c d e f g : a b c the input : Ktest7! : : This is acceptable to me. : Does it seem like I'm clear on the concept? : Yup. You can also do the same with a loop: for \%i 0 \fmin(\v(args),9) 1 { _assign \\%\%i \&@[\%i] } Although documented in the manual, this might be a bit obscure. It illustrates the use of the \v(args) variable (number of command-line words) and of the _ASSIGN command (note leading underscore), in which the name of the variable to be assigned is not taken literally (as it is with ASSIGN), but evaluated and constructed first, so when \%i is 0, this statement assigns the value of \&@[0] (command-line argument number 0 -- "argv[0] to C programmers) to the variable \%0, etc. "\fmin(\v(args),9)" ensures that we don't go above 9, since \%9 is the highest \% variable. : My goal is to make some command file scripts executable in several OS's : on my machine in as many ways as possible, with just one file holding the : script - various flavors of DOS and DOS Emulators, OS/2 and LINUX : C-Kermit from within the appropriate version of Kermit. : If you want to run a Kermit script from system command level, i.e. without starting Kermit first, it has to follow the syntax rules of the underlying platform or shell. Thus EXTPROC in OS/2 gives approximately the same effect as #!/pathname in UNIX, but there is no analogous mechanism in DOS. Unfortunately, I don't think there is a way to make the first line of the Kermit script compatible with both. As Jeff pointed out, you can: define extproc comment in any version of Kermit at all. If EXTRPOC is a built-in command (as it is in the OS/2 version), it will take precedence over the macro definition, as built-in commands always do; otherwise EXTPROC statements will be treated as comments. Well, they are even in OS/2, at least by Kermit itself. Once you get past the first line, it is easy to write portable scripts by testing the \v(platform), \v(program), \v(system), and other intrinsic variables, as well as using \$(XXXX) to test or import environment variables. : Again, much thanks - you guys have unbelievable patience. : Thanks for the detailed report. I hope this newsgroup proves as valuable to Kermit users as it is to us in helping us to refine our documentation, help-desk procedures, etc, and in deciding how to prioritize our infinitely long list of things to do. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 12 07:56:44 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA06634 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA21508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!agate!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au!sinus.seqeb.gov.au!un.seqeb.gov.au!nl012 From: nl012@un.seqeb.gov.au ( NEIL LOVELY) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.14 & Toshiba 460CDT internal modem Date: 12 Sep 1997 11:50:36 GMT Organization: SEQEB Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5vbaac$4vp@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> References: <5v2paa$4jg@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> <5v3rpq$5ec$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5v4o2i$fkd@sinus.seqeb.gov.au> <5v6ba7$amn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: un.seqeb.gov.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7665 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : : : And I must ask you once again: is this bare DOS 6.20 as the base operating : system, or is it "DOS 6.20" inside a "DOS" window of Windows or other OS? Sorry, we are using bare DOS 6.20 to dial in to our terminal server. : : This internal modem connects perfectly with SPEED set to 2400. It : : has successfully made a connection at 28800 to another modem connected to : : a unix box. : : : Using what software? MSKermit 3.14 under bare DOS 6.20 with SET PORT 2 SET PARITY NONE SET SPEED 2400 SET FLOW-CONTROL RTS/CTS reports CONNECT 28800 on successfull connection to the remote modem. : In any case, now is the time for you to read Section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR : file that came with your copy of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Thanks, will do. -- Neil Lovely | Computer Support Engineer | e-mail : nl012@un.seqeb.gov.au South East Queensland Electricity Board | Phone : +61 7 223 4256 GPO Box 1461 Brisbane Q 4001 Australia | Fax : +61 7 221 7556 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 13 06:52:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA03811 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 06:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29888 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 13 Sep 1997 06:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!xfer.kren.nm.kr!newsfeed.kornet.nm.kr!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!not-for-mail From: Seongsu Lee Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Swich Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:50:35 +0900 Organization: Korea Telecom Lines: 25 Message-ID: <341A6FFB.54F764F7@free.xtel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.234.157.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7666 Hi, After connecting to a system through the c-kermit... When I output the chracter "wh ABC" to remove system, it send me " ID ABC is not on server >> " or " ID ABC is on server >> " So, I want to hangup and quit when ABC is not on server. But I want to run other c-kermit script whn ABC is on server. How can I construct the script?? I don't know how to input the data when the data is consist with more than 2 lines.. (Thanks for reading. I'm not good at Eng) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 14 08:15:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA18802 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA14067 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.72.7.126!news-peer.bt.net!btnet-feed2!btnet!diablo.theplanet.net!theplanet.net!not-for-mail From: "David Gaguine" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 bugs Date: 14 Sep 1997 06:03:56 GMT Organization: [not set] Lines: 20 Message-ID: <01bcc0d3$d936a200$LocalHost@prs2r4pe> NNTP-Posting-Host: n71i053.c1r1.pol.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7667 We run a bespoke Medical practice program using MSDOS/ MUMPS with multi-user terminals emulating VT100's running at various speed from 9600 to 19200. I changed from MS Kermit (which caused printer conflicts running under Win95) to K95. After converting the script there appears to be a few bugs 1) Forward Delete (\127) and backward delete (\8) don't work properly - this was solved by switching to VT102 emulation 2) No bell sounds (VT102) 3) Also you can't paste into K95 session - it either does nothing or says insufficient memory available please try closing program etc. (I use 32MB RAM and only K95 and Word97) Please advise David Gaguine From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 14 08:50:41 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23513 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA15847 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:50:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 bugs Date: 14 Sep 1997 12:50:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-ID: <5vgmiu$s4e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcc0d3$d936a200$LocalHost@prs2r4pe> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7668 In article <01bcc0d3$d936a200$LocalHost@prs2r4pe>, David Gaguine wrote: : We run a bespoke Medical practice program using MSDOS/ MUMPS with : multi-user terminals emulating VT100's running at various speed from 9600 : to 19200. : : I changed from MS Kermit (which caused printer conflicts running under : Win95) to K95. After converting the script there appears to be a few bugs As with any other bug report the proper place to report it is to kermit-support@columbia.edu so that it can be responded to directly. For an emulation bug report a SESSION LOG should be included that demonstrates the problem. : 1) Forward Delete (\127) and backward delete (\8) don't work properly - : this was solved by switching to VT102 emulation The proper assignment of the DEL or BS to keys is very dependent upon the termcap or terminfo destriptions (or equivalent) on the host system. These key settings are completely configurable using the SET KEY and SET TERM KEY commands. If you believe that there is a problem with the handling of DEL and BS in the emulator, please send a SESSION LOG that demonstrates the problem. VT320 and VT102 use exactly the same code for this operation, so it is more likely a configuration issue on the host. : 2) No bell sounds (VT102) Kermit-95 rings BEL by calling the Windows 95 SystemBeep() call. Many sound board drivers map this call to a System Sound which may be set in the control panel. Be sure you have properly configured your sounds and sound board. : 3) Also you can't paste into K95 session - it either does nothing or says : insufficient memory available please try closing program etc. (I use 32MB : RAM and only K95 and Word97) This is a known bug in Windows 95. You must turn off "Fast Pasting" in order for Pasting to work in any 32-bit Console application. Open the Properties for \WINDOWS\SYSTEM\CONAGENT.EXE and turn off "Fast Pasting". Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344 http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 14 09:21:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26282 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA17379 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 09:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: jeffml@CHECK-SIG-FOR-ADDRESS.com (Jeff Lightfoot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: read line? Date: 14 Sep 1997 13:12:53 GMT Organization: Sure Lines: 14 Message-ID: <5vgnsl$qi@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: client8.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Sun Sep 14 6:12:53 AM PDT 1997 NNTP-Posting-User: jeffml X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test58 (13 May 97) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7669 Ok, this has to be simple but... At the K95 prompt I can open a file, read a line, echo that line, read another ... everything works as expected. But if I read a line, use while success { echo \m(line), read \m(line) } I get the first line repeated for each of the lines in the file. This is supposed to work, but for the life of me, it won't happen. -- jeffml @ Jeff Lightfoot pobox.com http://www.thefoots.com/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 14 10:39:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA06481 for ; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21279 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!psinntp!rutgers!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wnfeed!worldnet.att.net!205.252.116.205!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!not-for-mail From: Fedor M Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: server and client plus modem trouble Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:31:52 -0700 Organization: Academic Computer Centre Utrecht, (ACCU) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <341C1F85.D06543BC@cc.ruu.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 131.211.21.7 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I; 16bit) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7670 I want to communicate with family in Cuba. The phone lines are very bad there so I won't to use an old modem with 9600 baud an Tornado III. At home I have a Victory 14400e modem. Question 1: So how do I get the modem files is there a place where I can find them? How is the sequence to connect one msdos-kermit with another msdos-kermit. PC 1 (client) PC 2 (server) start kermit start kermit (should I start the server here?) dial pc2 connect (should I start the server of pc2 here?) get or put file bye Would you reply also to F.Mulder@cc.ruu.nl thanks for your attention Fedor From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 15 11:11:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11859 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA21894 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: kermit and PPP Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <1997Sep14.222503.14410@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:01:18 GMT Lines: 27 Sender: gerlach@netcom23.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7672 The way to do it is to not exit kermit. Use the command "redirect pppd" to give the modem session as stdin/stdout to pppd. It worked for me under SunOS. Matthew In article <1997Sep14.222503.14410@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Joshua Pincus writes: >Hi, > >I've got kermit performing my dialup stuff for a kernel-level PPP on >a FreeBSD 2.1.5 machine. The problem is this: I need the kermit >script to dial, respond to the login/password info, and then exit >WITHOUT killing the modem connection so that pppd can talk to the >/dev/cuaa2 serial port in kermit's place. > >How do I do this??? The quit command kills kermit and resets all the >devices that kermit is talking to. How can I make kermit quit and >give pppd ownership over /dev/cuaa2 without hanging up the line? > >Thanks, >froboz@roundtable.cif.rochester.edu >-- >/* > -- DER UBERMENSCH!!! >*/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 15 11:31:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16547 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: read line? Date: 15 Sep 1997 15:31:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <5vjkc7$7de$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5vgnsl$qi@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7673 In article <5vgnsl$qi@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Lightfoot wrote: : : Ok, this has to be simple but... : : At the K95 prompt I can open a file, read a line, echo that line, read : another ... everything works as expected. : : But if I read a line, use while success { echo \m(line), read \m(line) } : I get the first line repeated for each of the lines in the file. : : This is supposed to work, but for the life of me, it won't happen. : Syntax problem. \m(xxx) is used to retrieve the value of xxx, and so is not used in READ, DEFINE, ASSIGN, etc: read line while success { echo \m(line) read line } - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 15 11:37:43 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19182 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23212 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: server and client plus modem trouble Date: 15 Sep 1997 15:37:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-ID: <5vjko3$7k5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <341C1F85.D06543BC@cc.ruu.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7674 In article <341C1F85.D06543BC@cc.ruu.nl>, Fedor M wrote: : I want to communicate with family in Cuba. The phone lines are very bad : there so I won't to use an old modem with 9600 baud an Tornado III. At home : I have a Victory 14400e modem. Question 1: So how do I get the modem files : is there a place where I can find them? : The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html It comes with a fairly large collection of modem files, but we don't have modem files for Tornado or Victory modems -- maybe some other readers can help you out? Otherwise, you have two choices: 1. Read the modem manual to discover the commands for the command, and then adapt one of the existing modem files to your modem. 2. Don't use a modem dialing script. Just CONNECT and type the dialing command by hand. : How is the sequence to connect one msdos-kermit with another : msdos-kermit. : : PC 1 (client) PC 2 (server) : start kermit start kermit : (should I start the server here?) : : dial pc2 : connect : (should I start the server of pc2 here?) : get or put file : bye : It depends upon what you want to do. If you start a server on one end, there is no point in giving a CONNECT command on the other end because you won't see anything. Anyway, it is a lot to explain in an email message. It is the subject of two chapters (10 and 11) of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html Good luck! - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 15 12:03:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24726 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24467 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Swich Date: 15 Sep 1997 16:03:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <5vjm85$8fo$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <341A6FFB.54F764F7@free.xtel.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7675 In article <341A6FFB.54F764F7@free.xtel.com>, Seongsu Lee wrote: : Hi, : After connecting to a system through the c-kermit... : When I output the chracter "wh ABC" to remove system, : it send me : " : ID ABC is not on server : >> : " : : or : : " : ID ABC is on server : >> : " : : So, I want to hangup and quit when ABC is not on server. : But I want to run other c-kermit script whn ABC is on server. : How can I construct the script?? : I don't know how to input the data when the data is consist with : more than 2 lines.. (Thanks for reading. I'm not good at Eng) : I already replied to essentially the same question by email, but for the record... This is a perfectly straightforward use of the script language, which is documented in chapters 17-19 of "Using C-Kermit": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html Very briefly, your script would look something like this: output {wh Goodbye\10} minput 30 {ID(Goodbye)is not on server now} {ID(Goodbye) is in chat room now} switch \v(minput) { :0, stop 1 No response from host :1, hangup, quit :2, take pager.s } - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 15 22:24:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA29208 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA27574 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!not-for-mail From: jeffml@CHECK-SIG-FOR-ADDRESS.com (Jeff Lightfoot) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: read line? Date: 16 Sep 1997 02:10:14 GMT Organization: Sure Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5vkpq6$rt2@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> References: <5vgnsl$qi@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> <5vjkc7$7de$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: client23.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Mon Sep 15 7:10:14 PM PDT 1997 NNTP-Posting-User: jeffml X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test58 (13 May 97) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7676 According to Frank da Cruz : >In article <5vgnsl$qi@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>, >Jeff Lightfoot wrote: >: >: Ok, this has to be simple but... >: >: At the K95 prompt I can open a file, read a line, echo that line, read >: another ... everything works as expected. >: >: But if I read a line, use while success { echo \m(line), read \m(line) } >: I get the first line repeated for each of the lines in the file. >: >: This is supposed to work, but for the life of me, it won't happen. >: >Syntax problem. \m(xxx) is used to retrieve the value of xxx, and so is >not used in READ, DEFINE, ASSIGN, etc: Ahhh. Chapter 18, pg. 409 in Using C-Kermit 2nd Edition, gives the example I used. This brings up a point. Should my K-95 have come with an addendum that shows mistakes in the print version? I searched on the Web site, in my K-95 directory, and I couldn't find any corrections. Where is the best place to get these? -- jeffml @ Jeff Lightfoot pobox.com http://www.thefoots.com/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 16 09:59:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07741 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01605 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:59:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: read line? Date: 16 Sep 1997 13:59:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <5vm3ci$mb2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5vgnsl$qi@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> <5vjkc7$7de$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <5vkpq6$rt2@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7677 In article <5vkpq6$rt2@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>, Jeff Lightfoot wrote: : According to Frank da Cruz : : >In article <5vgnsl$qi@sjx-ixn11.ix.netcom.com>, : >Jeff Lightfoot wrote: : >: Ok, this has to be simple but... : >: At the K95 prompt I can open a file, read a line, echo that line, read : >: another ... everything works as expected. : >: But if I read a line, use while success { echo \m(line), read \m(line) } : >: I get the first line repeated for each of the lines in the file. : >: This is supposed to work, but for the life of me, it won't happen. : >: : >Syntax problem. \m(xxx) is used to retrieve the value of xxx, and so is : >not used in READ, DEFINE, ASSIGN, etc: : : Ahhh. Chapter 18, pg. 409 in Using C-Kermit 2nd Edition, gives the example : I used. : Oh no, another mistake. It should read: read line while success { echo \m(line), read line } : This brings up a point. Should my K-95 have come with an addendum that : shows mistakes in the print version? : You'll find it at the end of the CKERMIT2.UPD file, in the Errata & Corrigenda section. And this one will be added there in the next release. Thanks for spotting it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 17 07:40:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA19423 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA25410 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!iagnet.net!129.188.136.101!ftpbox.mot.com!mothost.mot.com!news-in.cig.mot.com!news.ecid.cig.mot.com!merlin!cornellr From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: local variable status Date: 17 Sep 1997 11:20:57 GMT Organization: Motorola Ltd., European Cellular Infrastructure Division Lines: 37 Distribution: world Message-ID: <1997Sep17.120124@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lanner.ecid.cig.mot.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7678 Could someone explain the following: [/home/cornellr/bin] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) 0 [/home/cornellr/bin] C-Kermit> ; escape back (Back at pluto) [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) 1 [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>c Connecting to host 175.2.1.2. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. [/home/cornellr/bin] C-Kermit>quit >exit Communications disconnect (Back at pluto) [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) 1 [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>set host Closing connection [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) 1 I may have misinterpreted what LOCAL does, I was under the impression that it returned 1 if kermit has an outgoing connection, 0 otherwise. Robert -- © Robert Cornell cornellr@ecid.cig.mot.com - robc@mountfield.co.uk Motorola ECID +441793566344 Fax +441793420915 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 17 10:59:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22439 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA05354 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: local variable status Date: 17 Sep 1997 14:59:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <5vor8l$42n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1997Sep17.120124@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7679 In article <1997Sep17.120124@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>, Robert Cornell wrote: : Could someone explain the following: : : [/home/cornellr/bin] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) : 0 : [/home/cornellr/bin] C-Kermit> ; escape back : (Back at pluto) : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) : 1 : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>c : ... : [/home/cornellr/bin] C-Kermit>quit : >exit : : Communications disconnect (Back at pluto) : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) : 1 : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>set host <-- (see below) : Closing connection : [/home/cornellr] C-Kermit>echo \v(local) : 1 : : I may have misinterpreted what LOCAL does, I was under the : impression that it returned 1 if kermit has an outgoing connection, : 0 otherwise. : You're right, it should, and in most cases it does. You have evidently hit upon a case where it doesn't, so I'll have to fix it. Workaround: if you say "set line" rather than "set host" at the spot marked above, \v(local) will behave as expected. Thanks for the report. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 17 19:01:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA05797 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA00974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!dendarii.demon.co.uk!mike From: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scripts and phone lists Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 20:25:10 GMT Organization: Miles' Minions Message-ID: <874527910snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Mail2News-User: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Mail2News-Path: dendarii.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.30 Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7680 In MS-Kermit the is a dialup list of phone numbers, accessible via the list command. This allows a "dial service" rather than "dial 555-555". However once a connection has been made, there doesn't seem to be any way to continue automatically. ie "dial work" dials my work number THEN automatically logs me in to the service. Has anyone suggested an answer to this problem? Mike -- A Webified version of the MS-DOS Applications for Internet Use FAQ can be found at From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 17 20:59:31 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA23705 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07086 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!nntp.Stanford.EDU!taal.Stanford.EDU!stew From: stew@taal.Stanford.EDU (Stewart Levin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing xtkermit-1.0: X-Window menus for running kermit Date: 17 Sep 1997 22:47:00 GMT Organization: Stanford Exploration Project Lines: 19 Sender: Stewart.A.Levin@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Distribution: world Message-ID: <5vpml4$6hl$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: taal.stanford.edu Summary: xtpanel package for Unix C-Kermit Keywords: kermit X xtpanel script Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7681 As a follow on to the "xtdialer" package I announced recently, I have created an "xtkermit" package that employs the Stanford Exploration Project "xtpanel" scripting utility to supply prerecorded kermit commands (or any text strings) to be selected from pop-up menus and fed into an otherwise interactive kermit session. The source for xtkermit 1.0 is available from http://sepwww.stanford.edu/oldsep/stew/ and uses the GNU autoconfigure mechanism for easy installation. It was developed under Linux and partially adapted from my venerable "startup" utility originally written on a VAX 11-780! It should work properly on systems that support the TIOCSTI or TIOCINQ ioctl functions to simulate terminal input. - Stew stew_at_sep.stanford.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 18 10:19:51 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16389 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15521 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts and phone lists Date: 18 Sep 1997 14:19:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <5vrda4$o71$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <874527910snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7682 In article <874527910snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: : In MS-Kermit the is a dialup list of phone numbers, accessible via the : list command. This allows a "dial service" rather than "dial 555-555". : : However once a connection has been made, there doesn't seem to be any way : to continue automatically. ie "dial work" dials my work number THEN : automatically logs me in to the service. : C-Kermit embodies the notion of a "services directory" that does what you want. It is done completely by scripts. It relies on certain features that C-Kermit has that MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and earlier did not have, such as arrays. But MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 adds many of these features: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip and so it should be fairly easy, or at least possible, to adapt C-Kermit's services directory to MS-DOS Kermit. Everything you need is in the standard ckermit.ini file: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckermit.ini You can find a detailed explanation in "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 18 11:37:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05334 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA19712 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: transfer files from AS/400 to UNIX Date: 18 Sep 1997 15:37:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 66 Message-ID: <5vrhsc$r92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcbdd3$4c8d2980$9f05a8c0@da159mat5.sonae.pt> <01bcbdea$1e564b20$6e036536@merck.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.ibm.as400.misc:33862 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7683 In article <01bcbdea$1e564b20$6e036536@merck.com>, Paul Nicolay wrote: : Paulo Martins wrote in article : <01bcbdd3$4c8d2980$9f05a8c0@da159mat5.sonae.pt>... : > I would like transfer files from AS/400 to UNIX, but I have some problems : > with packed fields and fields with sign. : > Can anyone suggest some solution to my problem. : > : > PRECONDITIONS: I only can make conversions in the UNIX system : : Normally you should convert everything to alphanumeric BEFORE it is FTP'ed : to the Unix. This means that you have a serious problem and the only : solution I can think about is to write a program that reads the binary file : (so transfer in BIN mode) and does the EBCDIC to ASCII itself. If you are : aware of the record layout you can also take care of the packed : representation. Not really a nice solution but it should work. : As you may know, at Columbia University we make cross-platrom communications software called Kermit. You can read all about it at our website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Kermit software is available for just about every hardware and OS platform on the planet EXCEPT for the IBM midrange systems: /34, /36, /38, and AS/400. We receive a constant stream of requests for Kermit software for these systems, but we can't produce this software ourselves because we don't have access to them, nor do we know anything about them. However, the Kermit file-transfer protocol is fully documented, and there is source code in many languages (C, Fortran, Algol, Pascal, you name it -- just about everything except COBOL and RPG). I took my first look at this newsgroup today and was struck by the fact that, out of about 500 postings, probably a good 20% of them were asking how to transfer files between the AS/400 or System/3x and Windows, UNIX, VMS, etc. Since Kermit software is already available for ALL these other platforms, then all of these needs could be satisfied by a Kermit program for the AS/400 (hopefully coded so as to also work on the System/3x's). I realize there are some rather nontrivial issues to be tackled: . Conversion between EBCDIC (including, no doubt, the many Country Extended Code Pages) and the ASCII-based character sets on the other end (Latin-1, Latin-2, etc, as well as various proprietary sets). But this problem is solved in the Kermit protocol definition and in practice in the IBM mainframe version of Kermit, which runs on VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and several other less-well known OS's (MUSIC, GUTS, etc). . Import/export of complex file/record structures. This is indeed a tough one, but can be handled at the "presentation layer" of the protocol. We have handled similar problems in VMS (which also has a complex structured file system) and OS/2 (with its Extended Attributes). . The communications interface: 5250 terminals and all that -- all the issues raised by protocol converters. But we have handled these in the 3270 world, and the same principles should apply. Do it once, and you've opened the door to the entire rest of the computing world. Any volunteers? If you're a competent IBM midrange programmer interested in some pro bono work (fame if not fortune), please contact me and I'll be glad to get you started. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 18 11:52:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08115 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20483 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: dlane@contactpt.com (David Lane) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts and phone lists Date: 18 Sep 1997 11:47:35 -0400 Organization: Contact Point Technologies Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <874527910snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.233.46.4 In-reply-to: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk's message of Wed, 17 Sep 97 20:25:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.1 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7684 In article <874527910snz@dendarii.demon.co.uk> mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) writes: > From: mike@dendarii.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) > Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 97 20:25:10 GMT > Organization: Miles' Minions > Lines: 14 > > > In MS-Kermit the is a dialup list of phone numbers, accessible via the > list command. This allows a "dial service" rather than "dial 555-555". > > However once a connection has been made, there doesn't seem to be any way > to continue automatically. ie "dial work" dials my work number THEN > automatically logs me in to the service. In C-Kermit, there is a "service" directory that allows this sort of thing. I had at one point ported this to MS-Kermit. The only significant issue was the lack of arrays in MS-Kermit releases that were available at the time. I seem to recall that arrays are being or have already been added to MS-Kermit. I'll see if I can dig this up. I used to use that all the time, before I stopped using MS-DOS/Win 3.1 as my primary environment at home. I'll e-mail it to you, Mike, if I find it. If anyone else is interested, let me know. > Has anyone suggested an answer to this problem? > > Mike > -- > A Webified version of the MS-DOS Applications for Internet Use FAQ can be > found at > David. -- David Lane dlane@contactpt.com Senior Software Engineer http://dlane.contactpt.com Contact Point Technologies http://www.contactpt.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 18 14:25:38 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA13660 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA28151 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!cmg From: cmg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Christine Gianone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Date: 18 Sep 1997 18:25:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <5vrrmu$44m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7685 This is to announce a preliminary release of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. The program itself is in final form, but the accompanying text files have not been updated yet; for now, all the changes and new features are documented in the file MSK315.DOC. The new release is available now as a ZIP archive: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msk315.zip See comp.protocols.kermit.announce for the full text of the MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 announcement. On behalf of Kermit users everywhere, my thanks to Joe Doupnik for his excellent work and dedication to this project. Christine M. Gianone Manager The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 19 12:05:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22553 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23366 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!192.220.251.22!netnews.nwnet.net!news-hub.interserv.net!news.interserv.com!not-for-mail From: JMS Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ctrmkrmt Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:48:14 -0400 Organization: Interserv News Service Lines: 9 Message-ID: <34229EBE.4564@sprynet.com> Reply-To: fif@sprynet.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hd59-196.hil.compuserve.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7687 Anyone familiar with the command ctrmkrmt? We use this command for file transfer but we have no documentation. The typical command line is: ctrmkrmt -s I am specifically trying to find a modifier that will transfer several files in to one large file. Any thoughts? From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 19 12:11:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA23800 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23627 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ctrmkrmt Date: 19 Sep 1997 16:11:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <5vu87g$886$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34229EBE.4564@sprynet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7688 In article <34229EBE.4564@sprynet.com>, JMS wrote: : Anyone familiar with the command ctrmkrmt? We use this command for file : transfer but we have no documentation. The typical command line is: : : ctrmkrmt -s : : I am specifically trying to find a modifier that will transfer several : files in to one large file. : It looks like C-Kermit, but stored under a different name. If you had mentioned the hardware and software platform where you are using this command, I could be more specific. In any case, dollars to donuts it's an ancient version of C-Kermit that could and should be replaced by the current version: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html which is fully documented. When using C-Kermit in UNIX, here is the trick for transferring multiple files in one large file: cat file1 file2 file3 ... | kermit -s - - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 19 22:09:14 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA14053 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA24191 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!news.uoregon.edu!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!newsfeed.bcn.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: Alberto de Vicente Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with Kermit protocol Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:10:14 +0200 Organization: Unisource Espana NEWS SERVER Lines: 16 Message-ID: <342287C6.37AABE5D@redestb.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.122.202.247 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7690 Hi, Where can I find a help file about the Kermit protocol? I want to write a very simple application that communicates my HP calculator and my PC, and I don't want to read long books. Can somebody help me???? Thanks in advance for any suggestion Tito. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 20 08:18:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA02727 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22979 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:18:00 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problems telneting Date: 20 Sep 1997 13:31:58 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 84 Message-ID: <5vvhrm$300@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!139.130.235.93!news.telstra.net!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!ns.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!news.adl.auslink.net!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7691 Hi, I'm trying to telnet to 206.31.5.4 with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Unixware 1.1.2 and am having some troubles because 206.31.5.4 resolves to mail3.tznet.com, and mail3.tznet.com resolves to 206.31.5.3,206.31.5.4 (ie is multi-homed) yet whilst the telnet shipped with Unixware happily connects to 206.31.5.4, C-Kermit does the following: kermit Executing /home/arthur/.kermrc for UNIX... Executing /home/arthur/.mykermrc... Good Afternoon! C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for UnixWare Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Default file-transfer mode is TEXT Type ? or HELP for help. [/home/arthur] C-Kermit>telnet 206.31.5.4 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Trying 206.31.5.3... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Connecting to host 206.31.5.4. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. [IPAD 1.52/64] You have reached ipad3.tznet.com All lines are busy at this time, try again later... Communications disconnect (Back at gateway) [/home/arthur] C-Kermit>q Normal telnet: $ telnet 206.31.5.4 Trying 206.31.5.4... Connected to 206.31.5.4. Escape character is '^]'. Connecting to TX2 Welcome to the TZone! BBS The Mid-Central USA ASP Hub BBS Member: Wisconsin Independent SysOp's Organization (WISO) Member: Association of Online Professionals (AOP) Member: FIDOnet, PARAnet, SURVNet, IGANet, INTERNet Over 3.5 GB of Software Available. ENTRY POINTS: Auburndale 715.652.2758 USR HST 33.6K Callers Marshfield 715.389.2708 Lindsey, Stratford, Spencer, Unity Callers. Telnet tznet.com [206.31.5.1] VOICE TECH ASSIST: 715.652.3175 9:00 AM - 9:00 PM Enter your FULL Name? telnet> close Connection closed. $ This is a real problem at the moment, as I can't use C-Kermit for a scripted telnet session because it uses the unwanted IP address of 206.31.5.3 which does not accept telnet connections instead of the 206.31.5.4 address which I want it to use. Any fixes? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 20 10:42:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20960 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00095 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:42:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with Kermit protocol Date: 20 Sep 1997 14:42:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <600ncd$k8r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <342287C6.37AABE5D@redestb.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7692 In article <342287C6.37AABE5D@redestb.es>, Alberto de Vicente wrote: : Where can I find a help file about the Kermit protocol? I want to write : a very simple application that communicates my HP calculator and my PC, : and I don't want to read long books. : You would need to be clairvoyant to write a Kermit protocol implementation without reading anything about it. Two suggestions: 1. All the information about Kermit, including references to books, etc, is at the Kermit Project website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ 2. Don't bother writing a new implementation; just use one of the many existing ones, such as MS-DOS Kermit for DOS or Windows 3.x; Kermit 95 for Windows 95, Windows NT, or OS/2; C-Kermit for Linux, etc. Or use one of the products that are already on the market for communicating between PCs and HP48s. I think the HP48 already comes with one, doesn't it? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 20 10:54:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22592 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00801 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems telneting Date: 20 Sep 1997 14:54:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-ID: <600o2n$kjm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <5vvhrm$300@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7693 In article <5vvhrm$300@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Hi, I'm trying to telnet to 206.31.5.4 with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Unixware : 1.1.2 and am having some troubles because 206.31.5.4 resolves to : mail3.tznet.com, and mail3.tznet.com resolves to 206.31.5.3,206.31.5.4 (ie : is multi-homed) yet whilst the telnet shipped with Unixware happily connects : to 206.31.5.4, C-Kermit does the following: : : [/home/arthur] C-Kermit>telnet 206.31.5.4 : Trying 206.31.5.3... : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : Connecting to host 206.31.5.4. : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : ... : This is a real problem at the moment, as I can't use C-Kermit for a scripted : telnet session because it uses the unwanted IP address of 206.31.5.3 which : does not accept telnet connections instead of the 206.31.5.4 address which : I want it to use. : Jeff Altman caught this one early this morning. The patch for C-Kermit 6.0.192 is: In ckcnet.c, remove "#ifdef NT" at line 1943, and the matching #endif at line 1953; see: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/PATCHES We'll do the same on our end, after ensuring portability, so the fix will be in the next release. Thanks for the report! - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 20 14:57:19 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA04800 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA13097 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit Feature? Organization: National Federation of the Blind of Washington From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) NNTP-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Message-ID: <34240471.0@news.pacifier.com> Date: 20 Sep 97 17:14:25 GMT Lines: 18 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!zdc!super.zippo.com!lotsanews.com!coop.net!pacifier!news.pacifier.com!mikef Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7694 I have encountered the following situation with C-Kermit V6.0.192: C-Kermit's default block-check-type is 3-character-CRC. As expected, if a communicating Kermit cannot handle the CRC block-check-type, C-Kermit reverts to the block-check-type the two Kermits *can* agree on. For example, if the other Kermit handles only the original 1-character-checksum, C-Kermit happily accommodates it. Problem: after the file transfer, C-Kermit does not restore the block-type-check to the default 3-character-CRC. Or at least, when does a "show protocol", the block-check-type shows up as the one last used. Is this intended behavior? I should think not. I'd be interested in a patch/fix. -- Mike Freeman; Internet: mikef@pacifier.com; Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ President, National Federation of the Blind of Washington /* PGP2.6.2 Public Key available via my ".plan" file */ .. A professor is someone who talks in someone else's sleep. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 20 15:05:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06387 for ; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13460 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit Feature? Date: 20 Sep 1997 19:05:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6016pl$s9q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <34240471.0@news.pacifier.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7695 In article <34240471.0@news.pacifier.com>, Mike Freeman wrote: : I have encountered the following situation with C-Kermit V6.0.192: : C-Kermit's default block-check-type is 3-character-CRC. As expected, if a : communicating Kermit cannot handle the CRC block-check-type, C-Kermit : reverts to the block-check-type the two Kermits *can* agree on. For : example, if the other Kermit handles only the original : 1-character-checksum, C-Kermit happily accommodates it. Problem: after : the file transfer, C-Kermit does not restore the block-type-check to the : default 3-character-CRC. Or at least, when does a "show protocol", the : block-check-type shows up as the one last used. Is this intended : behavior? I should think not. : : I'd be interested in a patch/fix. : It will be fixed in the next release. Thanks for the report. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 22 05:04:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28544 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00669 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 05:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!EU.net!Norway.EU.net!uninett.no!news.uni-c.dk!news.uni-c.dk!not-for-mail From: "Hajo" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DC3 character gets lost, kermit 95 Date: 22 Sep 1997 09:01:29 GMT Organization: Dantek Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bcc736$31b15d40$6976e382@hajo.dantek.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: gatekeeper.dantek.dk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1157 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7698 Hi there, I am having a little problem with Kermit 95. I am running kermit upon a R/6000 with AIX installed. The library system installed on the RISC sends prints to a local dot matrix printer. Works fine so far. The problem is that i have to tell the printer that it should write red, the command is the DC3 - character, HEX 13, DEC 19. But i does not work. The printer write still black instead of red. Any suggestions?? Your help is really apprechiated!! -- Hajo Quint Dantek Information systems Library systems www.dantek.dk From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 22 10:09:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA24011 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DC3 character gets lost, kermit 95 Date: 22 Sep 1997 14:09:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <605u6f$7g9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcc736$31b15d40$6976e382@hajo.dantek.dk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7699 In article <01bcc736$31b15d40$6976e382@hajo.dantek.dk>, Hajo wrote: : I am having a little problem with Kermit 95. I am running kermit upon a : R/6000 with AIX installed. The library system installed on the RISC sends : prints to a local dot matrix printer. Works fine so far. The problem is : that i have to tell the printer that it should write red, the command is : the DC3 - character, HEX 13, DEC 19. But i does not work. The printer write : still black instead of red. Any suggestions?? Your help is really : apprechiated!! : We'll need more details. Which terminal emulation are you using? What kind of connection do you have? What kind of flow control is being used, if any? What kind of printer is it, and how is it connected to the PC (serial or parallel or network)? What character-set is being used on the host? On the printer? And most important, which method of printing are you using? -- Transparent print, autoprint, print-screen, etc? I'm sure you must be aware that DC3 is XOFF -- the character used most commonly in software flow control to stop transmission. So naturally if you are using Xon/Xoff flow control between Kermit and the RS/6000, there will be conflict. And by the way, how does one switch from red back to black printing? For faster service, please follow up to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 22 11:47:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17029 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09846 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!199.165.217.102!news.corpcomm.net!news From: "Anonymous" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: k95 and Windows CE Date: 22 Sep 1997 15:37:13 GMT Organization: Unorganized Lines: 6 Message-ID: <01bcc76d$64839940$8701a8c0@ddn_scada_prog> Reply-To: "Anonymous" NNTP-Posting-Host: wbrg151.internetland.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7700 Listed on the Kermit 95 page it is noted that it is planned to support Windows CE eventually. Does anyone have any idea how long this support will be in coming. This sounds like exactly what I am looking for. I really need a terminal type application for windows CE that will support at least VT220 emulation or keyboard mappings.... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 22 11:56:29 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA18869 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA10384 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: k95 and Windows CE Date: 22 Sep 1997 15:56:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6064f8$bfb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bcc76d$64839940$8701a8c0@ddn_scada_prog> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7701 In article <01bcc76d$64839940$8701a8c0@ddn_scada_prog>, Anonymous wrote: : Listed on the Kermit 95 page it is noted that it is planned to support : Windows CE eventually. Does anyone have any idea how long this support : will be in coming. This sounds like exactly what I am looking for. I : really need a terminal type application for windows CE that will support at : least VT220 emulation or keyboard mappings.... : You would have had it right away if Microsoft had not decided to make Windows CE incompatible with Windows 95 and NT. Unfortunately, getting K95 to work on Windows CE will be a rather big job -- and it remains to be seen exactly how much of an understatement that will prove to be. I can't specify a time frame other than "some time after the full-GUI version is released", not only because the GUI version is in great demand, but also because this is indeed a technical prerequisite for a Windows CE version. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 22 19:42:09 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA27561 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04807 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.178.62.6!news.wolfe.net!not-for-mail From: "Baus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 under Win 95? Date: 22 Sep 1997 23:39:10 GMT Organization: Baus & Associates Lines: 15 Message-ID: <01bcc7b1$37120d40$52669dcc@baus> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts5-p48.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7703 I am trying to run a compiled Foxpro application under Win 95. That calls Kermit 3.14. I have no problem getting the modems to connect at 9600 and know for a fact that both sides have Kermit set to 9600 but for reasons I do not understand, most times I just get errors when trying to send and receive files. Once in a while it will work if I go to the MS-DOS prompt and turn the modem off and on and then run the Foxpro app on the receiving PC. The sending PC is simply a DOS machine so I doubt it is on that end. I had it working fine at 2400 using dBase runtime. Will be able to try it again with dBase runtime and also at 2400 later tonight, Any ideas where to look? Steve From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 23 10:47:05 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07579 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA18702 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!news From: paul@uoguelph.ca (Paul Briggs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Printing with Kermit Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:39:38 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 17 Message-ID: <608k7f$fo4@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: paul.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7704 I can't seem to print anything using Kermit. I am running Windows 95 and K95 1.1.7. I see in the manual that I should be able to print what ever is on the screen to either a locally attached printer or my default windows 95 printer. There is also a reference about printing from within Pine (which is what I really need to do). When I issue the command SHOW PRINTER it says PRN. I don't have a locally attached printer but I do have a networked HP printer configured. Do I need to change PRN to something else or is there a known bug here that I don't know about? BTW the prYnt function in Pine works fine with another emulator so I'm sure its something I'm missing with K95. Any help would be appreciated. TIA Paul Briggs Sr. Systems Analyst University of Guelph Guelph, Ontario, Canada From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 23 11:02:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10489 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA19444 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Printing with Kermit Date: 23 Sep 1997 15:02:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 81 Message-ID: <608llv$qtc$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <608k7f$fo4@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7705 In article <608k7f$fo4@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, Paul Briggs wrote: : I can't seem to print anything using Kermit. I am running Windows 95 : and K95 1.1.7. I see in the manual that I should be able to print what : ever is on the screen to either a locally attached printer or my : default windows 95 printer. There is also a reference about printing : from within Pine (which is what I really need to do). When I issue the : command SHOW PRINTER it says PRN. I don't have a locally attached : printer but I do have a networked HP printer configured. Do I need to : change PRN to something else or is there a known bug here that I don't : know about? BTW the prYnt function in Pine works fine with another : emulator so I'm sure its something I'm missing with K95. Any help : would be appreciated. TIA : This should be mostly fixed in the current version of K95, 1.1.13; you can patch up to it at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Note that version 1.1.13 supports both DOS printers (like "PRN") and Windows printers (like "HP LaserJet 5L (PCL)"), so in general if one doesn't work, the other will. It also sometimes works to change the DOS printer from PRN to LPT1. >From the 1.1.12/1.1.13 update notes: USING PRINTERS IN KERMIT 95 As of Kermit 95 version 1.1.12 Fri Jun 6 17:45:40 1997 For an overview of printing services in Kermit 95, see pages 53-56 of the Kermit 95 booklet. For documentation of new features added since the booklet was published, see section 7 of your Kermit 95 UPDATES.TXT file. Some of the new features are: . Ability to use print filters (e.g. text-to-PostScript) . Printer selection in the Dialer . Ability to use Windows (as opposed to DOS) printers . Ability to use bidirectional printers NOTE: Problems with redirecting printers might be fixed in Windows 95 OEM SR2. MICROSOFT PRINTER TROUBLESHOOTING AIDS FOR WINDOWS In Windows 95, begin by reading Printers.txt file in the Windows folder. It is an ordinary plain-text file like this one. Windows 95 also includes a Print Troubleshooter program: 1. Click the Start button, then click Help. 2. On the Contents tab, double-click the Troubleshooting topic. 3. Double-click the If You Have Trouble Printing topic. Microsoft publishes numerous printer-related articles in its Knowledge Base, including: PSS ID Number: Q128345 PSS ID Number: Q132425 PSS ID Number: Q133152 PSS ID Number: Q133438 PSS ID Number: Q135889 PSS ID Number: Q135890 Go to the Microsoft Web site: http://www.microsoft.com and search for these ID numbers. In these articles you will find all sorts of testing and troubleshooting procedures, pointers to new printer drivers, Device Manager / Control Panel procedures, spool settings and spool file management tips, network printing procedures, hints for specific printers, instructions for using Windows 3.1 drivers in Windows 95, and some coverage of font issues. (End of PRINTERS.TXT) Version 1.1.14 will include additional printing improvements. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 23 15:25:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05489 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA02710 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gsl.net!news-dc.gsl.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-paris.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!news.alcatel.fr!usenet From: Azmina Kheraj Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: First use of Kermit. File Transfer Protocol. Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:30:42 -0700 Organization: Alcatel Lines: 16 Message-ID: <34284312.4B37@ahqps.alcatel.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: ahqp286.ahqps.alcatel.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7706 Hi those who will read me. I really need some informations concerning my problem. Today I have got an application whose software enables me to establish a physical and logical connection to an IBM Machine running under VM/ESA. My question is once I have a physical and logical connection to a remote IBM machine, can I use the Kermit file transfer facilities ? I believe that on all IBM machines there is a remote module of Kermit and locally on my PC I suppose I will have to install the Workstation Version of Kermit which I am going to do. How can I initiate the File Transfer for a Try ? What have I to type in my PC application in order to give instructions to Kermit to Transport a local file from PC-disk to the remote disk under CMS. Does Kermit work with Windows 3.1, Windows 95 and Windows NT if anybody has already experienced I would really appreciate your exhange of views. Thanks in advance From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 23 18:30:56 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA15777 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA12013 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.0.56.30!news.eli.net!news.inconnect.com!not-for-mail From: "Doug Fielding" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: using sx/rx and sz/rz with C-Kermit Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:21:03 -0700 Organization: Internet Connect, Inc. -- http://www.inconnect.com Lines: 7 Message-ID: <609fbe$mit$1@news.inconnect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.250.199.118 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7707 I am trying to run sx/rx and sz/rz with C-Kermit on SCO/UNIX. It appears that it is not redirecting the I/O through the modem port established by C-Kermit. I am using sx/rx/sz/rz from Omen Technologies dated 1993. Can anyone help me? P.S. I got this to work on AIX. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Sep 23 19:03:35 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22982 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA13834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: using sx/rx and sz/rz with C-Kermit Date: 23 Sep 1997 23:03:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <609hs4$gdi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <609fbe$mit$1@news.inconnect.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7708 In article <609fbe$mit$1@news.inconnect.com>, Doug Fielding wrote: : I am trying to run sx/rx and sz/rz with C-Kermit on SCO/UNIX. It appears : that it is not redirecting the I/O through the modem port established by : C-Kermit. I am using sx/rx/sz/rz from Omen Technologies dated 1993. Can : anyone help me? P.S. I got this to work on AIX. : The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0.192. It can be configured to use sx/rx/sz/rz as an external protocol, as documented in the manual, but only if the sz/rx/etc programs allow their standard i/o to be redirected. If yours don't, you'll need to contact Omen Technology to found out how to get ones that do. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 24 00:08:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16788 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA29841 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problems telneting Date: 24 Sep 1997 02:33:34 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 42 Message-ID: <608sp6$fgt@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <600o2n$kjm$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.gsl.net!gsl-penn-ns.gsl.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!kastagir.senet.com.au!news.adl.auslink.net!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7709 Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <5vvhrm$300@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, : Arthur Marsh wrote: : : Hi, I'm trying to telnet to 206.31.5.4 with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Unixware : : 1.1.2 and am having some troubles because 206.31.5.4 resolves to : : mail3.tznet.com, and mail3.tznet.com resolves to 206.31.5.3,206.31.5.4 (ie : : is multi-homed) yet whilst the telnet shipped with Unixware happily connects : : to 206.31.5.4, C-Kermit does the following: : : : : [/home/arthur] C-Kermit>telnet 206.31.5.4 : : Trying 206.31.5.3... : : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : : Connecting to host 206.31.5.4. : : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ : : ... : : This is a real problem at the moment, as I can't use C-Kermit for a scripted : : telnet session because it uses the unwanted IP address of 206.31.5.3 which : : does not accept telnet connections instead of the 206.31.5.4 address which : : I want it to use. : : : Jeff Altman caught this one early this morning. The patch for C-Kermit : 6.0.192 is: In ckcnet.c, remove "#ifdef NT" at line 1943, and the matching : #endif at line 1953; see: : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/PATCHES Thanks, that worked fine. : We'll do the same on our end, after ensuring portability, so the fix will be : in the next release. Yes, the current alpha of Kermit also fixes the problem. : Thanks for the report! Thanks for the very prompt fixes and ongoing Kermit development! Arthur. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 24 03:07:47 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27059 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA06565 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.std.internat Subject: Kermit as a terminal for V.18-capable modems Date: 24 Sep 1997 06:34:34 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 28 Message-ID: <609at2$jf1@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!pumpkin.pangea.ca!news.mira.net.au!news.netspace.net.au!news.melbpc.org.au!news.access.net.au!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!kastagir.senet.com.au!news.adl.auslink.net!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7710 comp.dcom.modems:200537 comp.std.internat:7174 Over the last few years work has been going on to develop an ITU-T Recommendation for a modem that would inter-work with text telephone devices currently in use around the world. One can find out about this work at: http://www.pi.se/~omnitor, particularly: Linkname: V.18 final version __DETERMINED__( Q09a10r2.doc ) URL: http://www.pi.se/~omnitor/q09a10r2.doc for the current version of ITU-T Recommendation V.18. In it, ISO 10646 is used as the character set. This is interesting as I have not previously seen any modem explicitly supporting double byte character sets, and wonder how an external V.18-compliant modem would do so, and what non-propriatary-to-the-V.18 -compliant modem terminal software e.g. Kermit-95 would do to handle double byte character sets, given that modems currently use 8 data bits 1 stop bits no parity for commands and responses. Is there a standard sequence in ISO 10646 that can be used to tell a terminal package to enter ISO 10646 mode? Presumably the V.18-compliant modem could also accept and send data as single-byte Latin-1 characters. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 24 04:41:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA16554 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 04:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bug? SET TERM UNDERSCORE 1 ignored Date: 24 Sep 1997 02:20:36 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 15 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7711 I'm using MS Kermit 3.14 on a monochrome CGA, and I want to map the underline attribute (us) to dim, ie "gray on black" (my normal colors are, well, white on black). Although kermit accepts the flag 1 (bright) in the command SET TERM UNDERSCORE 1,30 SHOW TERM doesn't have a position for that flag, and it seems to get ignored. In fact I'm pretty sure it gets ignored, because when I tweak my termcap with us=\E[1;30m I see the desired dim color ok. Unfortunately this makes it impossible for kermit to merge properly reverse+underline if underline is the second attribute emitted. In that case only underline is effected. I saw no mention of a fix in the latest 3.15 (of 15 Sep). Please CC any replies to me. Regards, Vlad From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Sep 24 11:32:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17628 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22321 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!gerlach From: gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H. Gerlach) Subject: Re: using sx/rx and sz/rz with C-Kermit Message-ID: Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) References: <609fbe$mit$1@news.inconnect.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:29:11 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: gerlach@netcom23.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7712 I successfully do this all the time under SCO 3.2.4. Did you compile the code so that the redirect command is what you want? Matthew In article <609fbe$mit$1@news.inconnect.com> "Doug Fielding" writes: > I am trying to run sx/rx and sz/rz with C-Kermit on SCO/UNIX. It appears >that it is not redirecting the I/O through the modem port established by >C-Kermit. I am using sx/rx/sz/rz from Omen Technologies dated 1993. Can >anyone help me? P.S. 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This patch fixes bugs in the previous version, 1.1.13, and adds lots of new features. See comp.protocols.kermit.announce, or the Kermit 95 web page: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 08:03:57 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23717 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA22838 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.49.14.4!news.wolsi.com!news.aros.net!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bug? SET TERM UNDERSCORE 1 ignored Message-ID: Date: 24 Sep 97 20:44:30 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7715 In article , Vladimir Alexiev writes: > I'm using MS Kermit 3.14 on a monochrome CGA, and I want to map the underline ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > attribute (us) to dim, ie "gray on black" (my normal colors are, well, white > on black). Although kermit accepts the flag 1 (bright) in the command > SET TERM UNDERSCORE 1,30 > SHOW TERM doesn't have a position for that flag, and it seems to get ignored. > > In fact I'm pretty sure it gets ignored, because when I tweak my termcap with > us=\E[1;30m I see the desired dim color ok. Unfortunately this makes it > impossible for kermit to merge properly reverse+underline if underline is the > second attribute emitted. In that case only underline is effected. > > I saw no mention of a fix in the latest 3.15 (of 15 Sep). > > Please CC any replies to me. > Regards, Vlad ------ I dunno. Is that a monochrome display adapter or a CGA adapter? I would have to look at the code to see about this now rare situation and I won't be able to do that until the weekend after next (traveling). Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 09:52:50 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10458 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28362 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:52:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: This is a must visit site! NNTP-Posting-Host: dial-77-max-rtvt-01.ramp.together.net Message-ID: <342a6bfb.0@news.together.net> Date: 25 Sep 97 13:49:47 GMT Lines: 3 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!204.97.120.24!news.together.net!dial-77-max-rtvt-01.ramp.together.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7716 Check out this site! http://www.webvermont.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 11:02:23 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25644 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01735 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news.wfu.edu!not-for-mail From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: 25 Sep 1997 14:41:49 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: darth.phy.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7717 Can anyone one tell me how to set up a PPP connection under DOS? I'll want to use Kermit for telneting, and I will also want to use a DOS pop mail client. Pegasus? Thanks. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Department of Physics http://www.wfu.edu/%7Ematthews Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) USA From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 11:19:54 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29342 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA02682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: 25 Sep 1997 15:19:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <60dveo$q16$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7718 In article <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu>, Rick Matthews wrote: : Can anyone one tell me how to set up a PPP connection under DOS? : 1. Download the MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 update announced here a few days ago: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/msk315.zip. 2. Read Appendix II of MSK315.DOC. : I'll want to use Kermit for telneting, and I will also want : to use a DOS pop mail client. Pegasus? : Not at the same time as Kermit. If you want to have multiple TCP/IP clients going at once, you'll need to run Windows, Linux, OS/2, or some other multitasking system. And in that case you'll need a different Kermit that is a regular Winsock, Berkeley sockets, or IBM TCP/IP client. More info at our website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 12:41:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18071 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06951 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!kithrup.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <342a6bfb.0@news.together.net> Date: 25 Sep 1997 16:09:45 GMT Control: cancel <342a6bfb.0@news.together.net> Message-ID: Sender: X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:18042798 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 13:10:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24054 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08574 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:10:48 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bug? SET TERM UNDERSCORE 1 ignored Date: 25 Sep 1997 10:52:34 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 24 Sep 97 20:44:30 MDT To: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7719 In article jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > I'm using MS Kermit 3.14 on a monochrome CGA, > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > I dunno. Is that a monochrome display adapter or a CGA adapter? CGA with b&w montor. > I would have to look at the code to see about this now rare situation If my observations are correct, this effect will be exhibited on color displays too: yiu can't set the underscore color to a bright color. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 13:42:21 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01453 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10423 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: 25 Sep 1997 11:24:47 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: matthews@wfu.edu's message of 25 Sep 1997 14:41:49 GMT To: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews), fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7720 In article <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: > Can anyone one tell me how to set up a PPP connection under DOS? There's two free PPP implementations for DOS, EPPPD (in file dosppp*.zip) and Merit PPP (in etherppp or ethernew). EPPPD is smaller and probably more robust. You can find both at http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~vladimir/dos-tcp/ (I've put some informational files in the zips too). > I'll want to use Kermit for telneting, and I will also want to use a DOS pop > mail client. Pegasus? Yes, Pegasus can do it. However, I find it a bit bulky, and I prefer another line of programs - POPMail is only mail. Can't compose offline though. - NUPop is mail and telnet (but much slower than kermit), and also gopher and ftp in the latest version. I use version 1.03 because it's smaller. - Minuet is mail, news, gopher, web browser. In article <60dveo$q16$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > 2. Read Appendix II of MSK315.DOC. Frank, I'd recommend dosppp05.zip (EPPPD) instead. It's smaller and probably more robust (it's a port of Linux pppd). If you like, I can write up something about the setup that worked for me. Some minor points about the "Kermit+PPP" appendix: > Begin by using MS-DOS Kermit ot dial up the terminal server at your Internet > Service Provider and tell it who you are and what protocol you wish to use > over the line. Merit PPP's dialer is probably sufficient for this step, but of course one could use Kermit too. You then advise to quit kermit, then start it again and do "run startppp.bat". I don't see a reason for that, why should you quit then reenter kermit? On the other hand, it's probably better to run startppp.bat outside of kermit, so as not to put the TSR ppp on top of kermit and fragment the memory. > : I'll want to use Kermit for telneting, and I will also want > : to use a DOS pop mail client. > Not at the same time as Kermit. If you want to have multiple TCP/IP clients > going at once, you'll need to run Windows, Linux, OS/2, or some other > multitasking system. DesqView... > And in that case you'll need a different Kermit that is a regular Winsock, > Berkeley sockets, or IBM TCP/IP client. For Windows, one can probably run MS DOS Kermit in a DOS box, by using PKTMUX or some such contraption. But if your PC can run Windows, I don't see why you'd prefer to run DOS Kermit anyway. But if you can only run DesqView or some other task switcher (eg DoubleDOS), then PKTMUX may allow you to run more than one TCP client. Regards, Vlad From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 14:19:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08231 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12233 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: 25 Sep 1997 18:19:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-ID: <60ea00$3io$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7721 In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : In article <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> : matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: : > Can anyone one tell me how to set up a PPP connection under DOS? : > : There's two free PPP implementations for DOS, EPPPD (in file dosppp*.zip) and : Merit PPP (in etherppp or ethernew). EPPPD is smaller and probably more : robust. You can find both at http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~vladimir/dos-tcp/ : (I've put some informational files in the zips too). : : In article <60dveo$q16$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : > 2. Read Appendix II of MSK315.DOC. : Frank, I'd recommend dosppp05.zip (EPPPD) instead. It's smaller and probably : more robust (it's a port of Linux pppd). If you like, I can write up : something about the setup that worked for me. : Yes, please, and post it here. Thanks. We do not claim to be DOS PPP experts. We tried many DOS PPP packages and this was the first we found that worked at all, so we stopped there (having lots of other things to do). Of course, additional hints, proven recipes, etc, are welcome, especially now that many ISPs, universities, etc, are cutting off shell access and accept only PPP logins on the assumption that the only client that matters any more is a Web browser. : > Begin by using MS-DOS Kermit ot dial up the terminal server at your : > Internet Service Provider and tell it who you are and what protocol you : > wish to use over the line. : : Merit PPP's dialer is probably sufficient for this step, but of course one : could use Kermit too. : We just wrote up a procedure that worked, not every possible procedure; additional contributions are most welcome. : You then advise to quit kermit, then start it again and do "run : startppp.bat". I don't see a reason for that, why should you quit then : reenter kermit? On the other hand, it's probably better to run startppp.bat : outside of kermit, so as not to put the TSR ppp on top of kermit and : fragment the memory. : Exactly. DOS: The Do-It-Yourself Operating System :-) : For Windows, one can probably run MS DOS Kermit in a DOS box, by using : PKTMUX or some such contraption. : Anybody is of course welcome to experiment with building an elaborate "Shim Wedding Cake" (PKTMUX, ODIPKT, WINPKT, NDISPKT, NDIS3PKT, etc), but you're pretty much on your own for that (would-be PKTMUX users, in particular, are advised to read the entire PKTMUX manual before attempting to use this approach) -- especially in Windows 95, NT, and OS/2. We simply do not have the resources to support it when there is another alternative that "just works". In plain DOS of course (as opposed to a "DOS box" of Windows, OS/2, Linux, etc), you have no other choice, and we'll do our best to help you if you need it. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 14:30:40 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10402 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12913 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.15: different parsing of arguments Date: 25 Sep 1997 12:10:26 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 3 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7722 "set key \27\32" used to set the key to ESC SPC as expected in 3.14. In 3.15, this sets the key to ESC only, and I have to do "set key {\27\32}" to get what I want. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 14:30:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10407 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA12917 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get 25 lines with 3.15? Date: 25 Sep 1997 12:16:15 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7723 I have the newest beta of 3.15, and I'd like to get 25 lines on screen. I have a CGA. I have "set mode-line off" and on unix "stty rows 25". My unix programs do think that the terminal has 25 lines, however the 24th and the 25th line come at the same screen line (24th). Should the unix host send some escape sequence to tell kermit to set 25 lines? Is there a user option for the number of rows? Please CC replies to me. TIA, Vladimir From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 15:20:59 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21784 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15514 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.15: different parsing of arguments Date: 25 Sep 1997 19:20:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <60edio$5i8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7724 In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : "set key \27\32" used to set the key to ESC SPC as expected in 3.14. : In 3.15, this sets the key to ESC only, and I have to do : "set key {\27\32}" to get what I want. : Thanks for pointing this out (but it would have been better to hear about it during the 18-month long Beta test :-). Massive changes were made to MS-DOS Kermit's command parser to make it more like that of C-Kermit and K95 (by adding tons of features -- loops, arrays, etc), and this is evidently a side effect. If it's patchable (without side effects) we'll issue a patch, otherwise and/or meanwhile you've got a workaround, and the braced syntax should also work in 3.14. Thanks again for the report. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 15:23:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22137 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA15685 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get 25 lines with 3.15? Date: 25 Sep 1997 19:23:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <60edmu$5ke$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7725 In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : I have the newest beta of 3.15, and I'd like to get 25 lines on screen. I : have a CGA. I have "set mode-line off" and on unix "stty rows 25". My unix : programs do think that the terminal has 25 lines, however the 24th and the : 25th line come at the same screen line (24th). Should the unix host send : some escape sequence to tell kermit to set 25 lines? Is there a user option : for the number of rows? : The 25th line is a status line in VT emulation, period, just like a real VT terminal. You need special escape sequences to address it, just like a real VT terminal. You can't use it for scrolling. However, if you switch to ANSI emulation, then you can use the 25th line for scrolling, just like any other line, because this is allowed in ANSI emulation (this is new to version 3.15). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 18:20:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA28747 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24561 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.bc.net!torn!nott!nrccsb2.di.nrc.ca!not-for-mail From: Paul Melsness Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Running Kermit from a server Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:05:47 -0400 Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 21 Message-ID: <342A6FBB.ADF08550@nrc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 132.246.24.42 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7726 Hi, We have installed Kermit on a Novell server and would like our users to be able to run it from the server (without installing it locally). This works, but with the configuration files on the server, users cannot change screen colour, etc. I have written a batch file that copies dialusr.dat and the *.usr files to the user's home directory on the server. In the dial.scr file, I have commented out the line " if exist \v(startup)\%a.usr take \v(startup)\%a.usr " and replaced it with "take f:\\users\\mcbean\\teca/\%a.usr" (I would actually like to use DOS environment variables instead of f:\\users\\mcbean but that is not my concern at the moment). Kermit does access the *.usr file on the user's account, like I had expected. However, if I change the terminal colour for an entry, for example, the dialusr.dat file that is being changed is still the one on the server, not the one on the user's account. How do I get Kermit to commit these changes to the user's dialusr.dat file and not the server's? Thank you in advance, Christy McBean From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 18:33:27 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02317 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25218 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Running Kermit from a server Date: 25 Sep 1997 22:33:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 52 Message-ID: <60eork$dp7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <342A6FBB.ADF08550@nrc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7727 In article <342A6FBB.ADF08550@nrc.ca>, Paul Melsness wrote: : We have installed Kermit... : You're talking about Kermit 95, right? : ... on a Novell server and would like our users : to be able to run it from the server (without installing it locally). : Which is perfectly legal provided the number of concurrent users does not exceed your license. : This works, but with the configuration files on the server, users cannot : change screen colour, etc. I have written a batch file that copies : dialusr.dat and the *.usr files to the user's home directory on the : server. In the dial.scr file, I have commented out the line " if exist : \v(startup)\%a.usr take \v(startup)\%a.usr " ... : What is the dial.scr file? What are the *.usr files? This makes me think that (1) your environment is already rather customized, so I don't know what you're talking about; and (2) you haven't updated your K95 version in quite some time. We discovered over a year and a half ago that Microsoft had registered .SCR as the extension for screensavers, and so we renamed all of our Kermit script files to have a new extension .KSC (Kermit SCript) because double-clicking on a Kermit .SCR file did not do what you might have expected. I'd heartily recommend you update your K95 installation to the current release, which is 1.1.14, announced just yesterday: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html : ... and replaced it with "take : f:\\users\\mcbean\\teca/\%a.usr" (I would actually like to use DOS : environment variables instead of f:\\users\\mcbean but that is not my : concern at the moment). Kermit does access the *.usr file on the user's : account, like I had expected. However, if I change the terminal colour : for an entry, for example, the dialusr.dat file that is being changed is : still the one on the server, not the one on the user's account. How do : I get Kermit to commit these changes to the user's dialusr.dat file and : not the server's? : The only general solution is to put the user's disk/directory ahead of the server's in the PATH. That is a restriction of the cross-platform GUI developement system used to create the Dialer. Other more restrictive solutions are to let the user make customizations in her or his K95CUSTOM.INI file, which, I presume, must be on the local disk. By the way, more recent versions of K95 do come with instructions for server installation (see the READ.ME file after you apply the upgrade patch). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 20:12:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA18344 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:11:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA00449 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get 25 lines with 3.15? Date: 25 Sep 1997 17:52:09 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <60edmu$5ke$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 25 Sep 1997 19:23:10 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7728 In article <60edmu$5ke$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > However, if you switch to ANSI emulation, then you can use the 25th line > for scrolling I still can't get it to work properly. Is there any particular termcaps I need to use on the unix side? I tried a couple of termcaps (pcansi etc) from termcap.src Version 9.8.1, but they were branded as deficient. I couldn't try real ansi, because my termcap library has a lower limit on the termcap entry. What if I keep a vt320 termcap on the unix side, and only put kermit in ANSI terminal mode? I thought vt100/320 and ANSI are pretty similar. 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Call or email for more info: 214-220-2936 DotCom Internet Services Your Personal Internet Provider sales@dotcom-xpress.net http://www.dotcom-xpress.net From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Sep 25 23:53:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA16175 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA12013 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!iagnet.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.Stanford.EDU!kithrup.com!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: sef@kithrup.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <60f5k1$3iv@news.onramp.net> Date: 26 Sep 1997 03:15:41 GMT Control: cancel <60f5k1$3iv@news.onramp.net> Message-ID: Sender: Darren Vader X-Cancelled-By: sef@kithrup.com Approved: sef@kithrup.com Lines: 1 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:18084279 Spam cancelled by sef@kithrup.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 00:38:32 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA23136 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA13962 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.wli.net!newshub.sirius.com!jupiter.dnai.com!castor.dnai.com!not-for-mail From: tim@rym.com (Tim Carson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Text Files Only Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:35:50 GMT Organization: DNAI ( Direct Network Access ) Lines: 32 Message-ID: <60fe3i$oqd$1@castor.dnai.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dnai-204-188-12-139.dialup.dnai.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.0.82 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7730 Hello, I am interested in using Kermit as a protocol to transfer text only files to and from some pieces of CNC (Computer Numerical Controlled) equipment. Right now, the company uses 8 separate DOS based PCs, each connected to only one machine to send/receive files. The CNC's transfer only using Kermit on RS-232. (They are Cincinnati CNC Machines, made in the USA) What I would want to do is use a single WindowsNT based PC connected to a network to talk to all 8. I have a multi-port serial card with 16 serial ports (Comtrol Rocket Port) running on such an NT PC. My questions: Before I start re-inventing the wheel, is there already a version of Kermit that runs on NT? If so, does it support COM ports higher than COM4? (Like up to COM32) Are there any know problems running multiple instances of the same program? (Each connected to a different COM port on the same PC) And lastly, for now, who do I contact to register the proper "Credit where credit is do" information before using Kermit? Thanks for any/all help. Tim Carson tim@rym.com (One last question, how can I post to the use-net without getting bombarded by junk E-Mail??) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 09:18:08 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24709 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27067 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get 25 lines with 3.15? Date: 26 Sep 1997 13:18:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <60gcme$2s2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <60edmu$5ke$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7731 In article , Vladimir Alexiev wrote: : In article <60edmu$5ke$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : : > However, if you switch to ANSI emulation, then you can use the 25th line : > for scrolling : : I still can't get it to work properly. Is there any particular termcaps I : need to use on the unix side? I tried a couple of termcaps (pcansi etc) : from termcap.src Version 9.8.1, but they were branded as deficient. I : couldn't try real ansi, because my termcap library has a lower limit on : the termcap entry. : The form of ANSI that is supported by MS-DOS Kermit is roughly equivalent to PC-DOS ANSI.SYS, minus the video-mode setting items. It is very simple. It does not need a large termcap. : What if I keep a vt320 termcap on the unix side, and only put kermit in : ANSI terminal mode? I thought vt100/320 and ANSI are pretty similar. : "Pretty similar" is not good enough. There are critical differences, including some outright incompatibilities. In fact, if you draw a Venn diagram, the overlapping areas would be a tiny sliver. In any case, using VT320 (or VT-anything) in MS-DOS Kermit brings you back to 24 lines. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 09:20:01 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA24973 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:20:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Text Files Only Date: 26 Sep 1997 13:19:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <60gcpu$2t2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <60fe3i$oqd$1@castor.dnai.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7732 In article <60fe3i$oqd$1@castor.dnai.com>, Tim Carson wrote: : I am interested in using Kermit as a protocol to transfer text only : files to and from some pieces of CNC (Computer Numerical Controlled) : equipment. Right now, the company uses 8 separate DOS based PCs, each : connected to only one machine to send/receive files. The CNC's : transfer only using Kermit on RS-232. (They are Cincinnati CNC : Machines, made in the USA) : : What I would want to do is use a single WindowsNT based PC connected : to a network to talk to all 8. I have a multi-port serial card with 16 : serial ports (Comtrol Rocket Port) running on such an NT PC. : : My questions: : : Before I start re-inventing the wheel, is there already a version of : Kermit that runs on NT? : Yes: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : If so, does it support COM ports higher than COM4? (Like up to COM32) : Yes, provided your multiport hardware comes with 32-bit COM drivers. : Are there any know problems running multiple instances of the same : program? (Each connected to a different COM port on the same PC) : No. : And lastly, for now, who do I contact to register the proper : "Credit where credit is do" information before using Kermit? : All info about the Kermit Project, software, licensing, etc etc, is at our website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 09:23:37 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA25526 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27455 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Message-ID: Date: 25 Sep 97 22:09:40 MDT References: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7733 In article <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu>, matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) writes: > Can anyone one tell me how to set up a PPP connection under DOS? > > I'll want to use Kermit for telneting, and I will also want > to use a DOS pop mail client. Pegasus? > > Thanks. > > -- > Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu > Department of Physics http://www.wfu.edu/%7Ematthews > Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) > Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) > USA ---------- This is discussed in detail in the MSK release documentation. Please have a look. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 10:03:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04226 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29372 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!newsgate.nytimes.com!hammer.uoregon.edu!leto.ou.edu!news.ou.edu!not-for-mail From: richman@TRUMPKIN.GCN.ou.edu (Mike Richman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: need help on kermit "bug"? Date: 26 Sep 1997 13:57:58 GMT Organization: The University of Oklahoma (USA) Lines: 24 Message-ID: <60gf16$niq$1@artemis.backbone.ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: trumpkin.gcn.ou.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 950824BETA PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7734 We use kermit for modem connections on a SUN Ultra 2 running Solaris 2.5.1. Sometimes (seemingly at random intervals) kermit will not disconnect when the modem connection is terminated. When one attempts to log back in, all they get is a busy signal. If I log on as root and attempt to reset kermit, I get the following message: trumpkin# kermit Sorry, can't open connection: /dev/cua/a: Device busy ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>qui However, one can not SET LINE or anything else (short of turning to power to the modem off). Is there some way to clear kermit of this "busy device"? Right now, I have to reboot the workstation -- not a pleasant task. Mike Richman U. Oklahoma mrichman@ou.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 10:46:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13403 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA01704 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: need help on kermit "bug"? Date: 26 Sep 1997 14:46:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <60ghrc$5ge$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <60gf16$niq$1@artemis.backbone.ou.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7735 In article <60gf16$niq$1@artemis.backbone.ou.edu>, Mike Richman wrote: : We use kermit for modem connections on a SUN Ultra 2 running Solaris 2.5.1. : Sometimes (seemingly at random intervals) kermit will not disconnect when the : modem connection is terminated. When one attempts to log back in, all they : get is a busy signal. If I log on as root and attempt to reset kermit, I get : the following message: : : trumpkin# kermit : Sorry, can't open connection: /dev/cua/a: Device busy : ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x : Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, : Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. : Type ? or HELP for help. : C-Kermit>qui : : However, one can not SET LINE or anything else (short of turning to power to : the modem off). : : Is there some way to clear kermit of this "busy device"? Right now, I have : to reboot the workstation -- not a pleasant task. : This problem should go away if you install the current version of C-Kermit, which is 6.0.192: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html If you have trouble with the new version, send email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 11:25:03 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA20204 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03537 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Kermit as a terminal for V.18-capable modems Date: 26 Sep 1997 15:24:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 107 Message-ID: <60gk48$6se$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <609at2$jf1@gateway.dircsa.org.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7736 comp.dcom.modems:200726 comp.std.internat:7178 In article <609at2$jf1@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : Over the last few years work has been going on to develop an ITU-T : Recommendation for a modem that would inter-work with text telephone devices : currently in use around the world. : : One can find out about this work at: http://www.pi.se/~omnitor, particularly: : : Linkname: V.18 final version __DETERMINED__( Q09a10r2.doc ) : URL: http://www.pi.se/~omnitor/q09a10r2.doc : : for the current version of ITU-T Recommendation V.18. : : In it, ISO 10646 is used as the character set. : : This is interesting as I have not previously seen any modem explicitly : supporting double byte character sets, and wonder how an external : V.18-compliant modem would do so, and what non-propriatary-to-the-V.18 : -compliant modem terminal software e.g. Kermit-95 would do to handle double : byte character sets, given that modems currently use 8 data bits 1 stop bits : no parity for commands and responses. : : Is there a standard sequence in ISO 10646 that can be used to tell a terminal : package to enter ISO 10646 mode? Presumably the V.18-compliant modem could : also accept and send data as single-byte Latin-1 characters. : I'm looking at one of the V.18 documents now. Like all ITU-T (formerly CCITT) docments, it requires more than a casual browsing. A couple quick reactions (pardon me if I'm missing something very basic -- I can't use the Microsoft Word document): 1. ITU modem command-language standards have never caught on. What about V.25bis, which is at present the ONLY international standard in this area? As far as I know, it is used in Brazil (by law) and nowhwere else. This is yet another area that is driven by the chaotic marketplace, where the de facto "standard" is the Hayes AT command set. But of course, this varies wildly in both syntax and semantics from one modem to the next. Nevertheless, we can see that most makers of communication software (other than the Kermit Project) feel it is quite safe to ignore all non-Hayes modem command languages, even the international standard one, the paramount example of this being Microsoft TAPI. 2. I don't think ISO 10646 is an issue; only regular, unaccented Roman letters are used in text-telephone messages. Quoting: The initial condition of the converter shall be the Letters (LTRS) mode, therefore the DCE shall send the LTRS character (11111) to the line prior to transmitting the first translated character. The receiver decoding shall also start up in the LTRS mode. Additionally, the DCE shall send the appropriate mode character (i.e., LTRS or FIGS) every 72 characters. The 5-bit codes supported are given in Tables A-1 and A-2. Each character shall consist of the 5-bit sequence given in the tables preceded by a one start bit and followed by a minimum of one and one half stop bits. The DCE shall convert the 5-bit coded characters received from the line to the appropriate 7-bit coded characters and transfer them to the DTE on circuit 104 (or its equivalent). The DCE shall convert the 7-bit coded characters received from the DTE on Circuit 103 (or its equivalent) to the appropriate 5-bit coded characters (see Annex A) and transmit to the line. (End quote) Please correct me if I am wrong. Appendix 2 says something about ISO 10646, but I can't find any reference to Appendix 2 anywhere else in the document : This is interesting as I have not previously seen any modem explicitly : supporting double byte character sets, and wonder how an external : V.18-compliant modem would do so... : Appendix 2 says that the default character set (for what?) is Level 1, 2-byte ISO 10646 sent as two conventionally framed 8-bit bytes. : ... and what non-propriatary-to-the-V.18 : -compliant modem terminal software e.g. Kermit-95 would do to handle double : byte character sets, given that modems currently use 8 data bits 1 stop bits : no parity for commands and responses. : According to V.18, that will not change. UARTs are UARTs, etc. To send a 2-byte character, one sends two one-byte characters. Kermit 95 will support double-byte character sets in a future release. : Is there a standard sequence in ISO 10646 that can be used to tell a terminal : package to enter ISO 10646 mode? Presumably the V.18-compliant modem could : also accept and send data as single-byte Latin-1 characters. : Yes, the standard for character-set designation and invocation is ISO 2022. Character sets are registered by the ISO in the International Register of Coded Character Sets to be Used with Escape Sequences, which is maintained on behalf of the ISO by the ECMA. By the way, transmission of bare Level-1 ISO 10646 (which is equivalent to "bare" Unicode) is problematic in general, and in most arenas where Unicode is used internally, a different transfer format, such as UTF8, is used that is compatible with ASCII and Latin-1. In some cases, as in the Plan 9 Operating System, UTF-8 is used internally as well. Clearly there will be a lot of "shaking out" in this area in the coming years. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 14:09:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23375 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11682 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!news-kar1.dfn.de!news-stu1.dfn.de!news-mue1.dfn.de!news-nue1.dfn.de!uni-erlangen.de!rznews.rrze.uni-erlangen.de!cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de!mskuhn From: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Markus Kuhn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Kermit as a terminal for V.18-capable modems Date: 26 Sep 1997 09:50:49 GMT Organization: Student Pool, CSD., University of Erlangen Lines: 45 Message-ID: <60g0hp$8bs$1@rznews.rrze.uni-erlangen.de> References: <609at2$jf1@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Reply-To: mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de NNTP-Posting-Host: mskuhn@faui04d.informatik.uni-erlangen.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7737 comp.dcom.modems:200736 comp.std.internat:7180 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: >This is interesting as I have not previously seen any modem explicitly >supporting double byte character sets, and wonder how an external >V.18-compliant modem would do so, and what non-propriatary-to-the-V.18 >-compliant modem terminal software e.g. Kermit-95 would do to handle double >byte character sets, given that modems currently use 8 data bits 1 stop bits >no parity for commands and responses. RS-232 links typically have an 8-bit framing structure. Therefore, you have reliable byte synchonization, but if your characters are 16-bit long and represented as two bytes, then a single lost character can mess up your synchronization. Therefore, using raw UCS-2 on async serial PC ports is a very bad idea. Possible solutions: - Use 16-bit framing. Bad, because no common UART today supports this, they all only to 5-8 bit framing. - Use an error correction protocol like HDLC to preserve block synchronization. This is probably overkill. - Use educated guess resynchronization based on unassigned UCS-2 bytes that indicate a desynchronization state. Ugly hack. - Use UTF-8. It is self synchronizing, ASCII compatible, and therefore clearly the nicest solution. I recently discussed UTF-8 support with a Kermit author and he seems to have put it on his todo list. Mail him that you would also be interested. >Is there a standard sequence in ISO 10646 that can be used to tell a terminal >package to enter ISO 10646 mode? Presumably the V.18-compliant modem could >also accept and send data as single-byte Latin-1 characters. ESC % G announces UTF-8. See the ISO 10646 standard and the UTF-8 addendum for all the ISO 2022 ESC sequences if you really need switching (section R.6). Check out for more info about UTF-8. Markus From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 14:11:28 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA23733 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA11895 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-sea-19.sprintlink.net!news-in-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!207.178.62.6!news.wolfe.net!not-for-mail From: "Baus" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 question Date: 26 Sep 1997 18:04:01 GMT Organization: Baus & Associates Lines: 29 Message-ID: <01bccaa7$18a5cec0$733bb2cf@baus> NNTP-Posting-Host: sea-ts4-p65.wolfenet.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7738 When using K95, can you call it from Visual Basic in server mode such that the program code after the K95 server call does not continue until after K95 is no longer in server mode? Windows multitasking is messing me up. >From my DOS code using Kermit 3.12 or 2.32 I can create a loop that calls Kermit in server mode and no further processing happens until after the sending PC sends the finish command or a user at the PC does the Ctrl-C. I then check to see if there was keyboard input and if so then the user at the PC wants to exit the program and I quit, if not then I check for and then process the files sent. For example psuedo code would look something like: Do while true Kermit server 'Wait for data.dat file IF CheckForKeyboardInput() Then Exit Do EndIf If FileExists(data.dat) ProcessData(data.dat) Delete Data.dat EndIf Loop Thanks for any guidance, Steve From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 15:40:53 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA13581 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16507 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: 26 Sep 1997 13:28:49 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 167 Message-ID: References: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> <60ea00$3io$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca In-reply-to: matthews@wfu.edu's message of 25 Sep 1997 14:41:49 GMT X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7739 In article <60ea00$3io$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > : Frank, I'd recommend dosppp05.zip (EPPPD) instead. If you like, I can > : write up something about the setup that worked for me. > Yes, please, and post it here. Thanks. I use EPPPD, which provides a class 1 (Ethernet emulation) driver. It works ok with a talk app which (claim to) be based on the WATTCP stack. Also, it works ok with NUPop 1.03, a POP mail (and telnet) program, but I don't know what TCP/IP stack it uses. Strangely, the ping from WATTCP didn't work satisfactory. Another ping (from Trumpet?) works ok. Unfortunately, kermit doesn't work with EPPPD. I guess I should have said in my initial message "setup that worked for me with other tcp apps" (wattcp and otherwise). It does BOOTP ok, but then it gives an "Unable to ARP resolve " error, then "Unable to contact the host. Host may be down or gateway may be needed", and sets \v(tcpip_status) to 8 (host unreachable). (3.15 gives much worse diagnostics. But these 123R 325T counters are nice. What do they show, receive/transmit speed?) Another file in the same dosppp05.zip, PPPD, provides class 6 (serial line) driver. I now see in "APPENDIX II: MS-DOS KERMIT AND PPP" that you advise using "/k 6" (class 6) with Merit PPP. (However, in my Merit PPP documentation it says they support class 1 and class 15 only !?) I tried PPPD, and sure enough it worked perfectly. Only that I had to type all the TCP params by hand, because unlike EPPPD, PPPD doesn't provide BOOTP (is it even possible with class 6?). I wonder what is it in kermit that makes it fail where other TCP apps work ok with EPPPD. (Admittedly, the Ether addresses that EPPPD synthesizes are pretty weird-looking. Also, it figures out a netmask 255.255.0.0 for a local IP that differs only in the last octet from the remote (gateway) IP, but that's on a class B net, so it's perhaps ok.) I read Joe's explanations about ARP routing in the archives of this group on DejaNews, but there's not enough technical info to figure it out. I had a problem initially with EPPPD that was also related to ARP, but it went away once I asked the remote pppd to do *proxyarp*. Is the advantage of having BOOTP sufficient incentive for the kermit team to make kermit's stack work with class 1 emulation drivers? I don't know. In the meanwhile, below is a first attempt at scripts to automate the process. Please clean it up (especially error checking), my kermit scripting leaves a lot to be desired. USING KERMIT WITH PPPD.EXE FROM DOSPPP05.ZIP In addition to Merit PPP (PPP.EXE that is distributed with Kermit), there's another free PPP driver for DOS that you may want to consider. It is PPPD.EXE in the archive MSDOS/PKTDRVR/DOSPPP05.ZIP on any SimTel mirror. It takes only 57k in memory (as opposed to 95k taken by Merit PPP), and is more robust. However, it doesn't support Van Jacobsen header compression, so it adds more overhead to the PPP protocol. [how much more?] To set up PPPD.EXE, follow these steps. The text below may be of interest to PPP.EXE users as well, since it describes how to automate the process of connecting, and can be adapted for PPP.EXE. 1. Get DOSPPP05.ZIP. Unzip it in some directory, say \PPP. Read the fine documentation that comes with it. 2. DOSPPP05.ZIP contains a simple dialer, CHAT.EXE, that works well with PPPD. (If you prefer, you can use Kermit as a more sophisticated dialer with better possibility for error checking, but it will start a bit slower.) Create a script CHAT.SCR that consists of simple expect-send pairs, plus some more info. I don't know if CHAT accepts comment lines, so remove the comments below. ABORT BUSY ABORT ERROR ; any of these will fail the script ABORT "NO ANSWER" ABORT "NO CARRIER" ABORT "NO DIALTONE" TIMEOUT 3 '' atz ; expect nothing, then reset modem OK "atdt " ; expect OK from modem, dial the number TIMEOUT 60 ; give it time to connect ; Insert your ISP's login sequence here. PPPD supports PAP, but not CHAP. ; If your ISP supports/requires PAP, put the username and password in ; PPPD.CFG (see below), and there will be no dialog here. ; E.g. a typical unix login goes like this: login: ; TIMEOUT 3 ; now prompts should come quickly Password: ; A Cisco terminal server might go like this: termserv> login TIMEOUT 3 ; now prompts should come quickly Username: Password: ; Now start a ppp server. ; If you have root access on Unix, install pppd, then go TIMEOUT 60 ; wait for command-line prompt $ "pppd : proxyarp" ; Note the quotes on the line above. is the IP address of your PC ; (Unix pppd can't assign it dynamically by itself). Proxyarp is very ; important: it makes the remote pppd route packets to PPPD.EXE. ; On Cisco terminal server, the command could be termserv> "ppp default" 3. Create a configuration file PPPD.CFG: com1 # COM port 38400 # UART (serial) DTE speed modem # sense UART (modem) signals #debug # only with the debugging version, PPPDD.EXE #kdebug 1 # a good idea to turn on initially pktvec 0x60 # packet driver interrupt vector asyncmap 0 # send control chars as is # asyncmap 0xA0000 # for xon/xoff flow control # asyncmap 0x20000000 # for connection through telnet # escape 0xFF # for connection through rlogin #passive # don't quit if no ppp on the other side crtscts # RTS/CTS (hardware) flow control mru 1500 # max receive unit mtu 1500 # max send unit #namsrv #namsrv user # for PAP passwd # for PAP Very important: PPPD will fail if there is a ^Z at the end of this file. Use an editor that doesn't do this. Alternatively, you may try to end the file by putting a comment character and no newline after it, i.e. like so: # Don't put newline here! ^Z 4. Create a DOS batch file to start PPPD, call it PPP.BAT: PPPD CONNECT "CHAT -f CHAT.SCR" IF ERRORLEVEL 1 GOTO EXIT CALL IP-UP.BAT REM KERMIT -f PPPD.SCR ; uncomment after step 3 :EXIT Upon successful connection PPPD creates a file IP-UP.BAT that lists the parameters of the connection. We call it, so that the parameters are put in the DOS environment. Use SET to check that all four of them are there (if not, you may have insufficient environment space.) If there's problems with the connection, enable the debug and kdebug options in PPPD.CFG (see above) and use this instead: PPPDD CONNECT "CHAT -f CHAT.SCR" > PPPD.LOG then look in PPPD.LOG for clues. 5. Now write a Kermit script PPPD.SCR that transfers the parameters from the environment into Kermit, adds some more parameters, and then connects to the telnet host. SET TCP/IP ADDRESS \$(myip) SET TCP/IP SUBNETMASK \$(netmask) SET TCP/IP DOMAIN footech.edu SET TCP/IP GATEWAY \$(remip) ; remote IP SET TCP/IP PRIMARY-NAMESERVER SET TCP/IP SECONDARY-NAMESERVER ; The nameservers are static IPs that your ISP should give you. PPPD ; Doesn't export them to IP-UP.BAT, that's why there's no point in ; specifying them in step 3 above. ; If you want to be very cool, in 3.15 you can even compute MSS as ; \feval(\$(peermru)-40) SET TCP/IP HOST library ; This will connect you to library.footech.edu. If you prefer, you can ; put the full name here, and not specify DOMAIN. Or you can even put ; the host IP here, then you don't need nameservers. SET PORT TCP/IP CONNECT From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 15:51:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA15394 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17007 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!alberta!not-for-mail From: Vladimir Alexiev Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.15: INPUT problem Date: 26 Sep 1997 13:32:38 -0600 Organization: University of Alberta, Computing Science Lines: 9 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: tees.cs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.0.15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7740 The following line in a script that worked in 3.14 doesn't work in 3.15: INPUT 50 CONNECT \v(speed) The script exits when text is received, even thought the text is exactly "CONNECT 38400" and \v(speed) is 38400. It doesn't worrk even if I enclose the words in braces like so: {CONNECT \v(speed)}. Frank, you're absolutely right to say that such reports would be much more useful if they were made during the beta testing period, but I didn't consider myself a beta-tester until recently :-) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 16:46:42 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA25739 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19821 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!newsops.execpc.com!posts.execpc.com!usenet From: manning@execpc.com (Steve Manning) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: paging, one more time (at least!) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:45:45 GMT Organization: Exec-PC BBS Internet - Milwaukee, WI Lines: 20 Message-ID: <342c1831.55160049@news.execpc.com> Reply-To: manning@execpc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: aston-02.mdm.mke.execpc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7741 Quick question: on the C-Kermit web page (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html), it refers to dialing numeric pagers: > ...numeric pagers are dialed using a special form of the DIAL > command that does not require the call to be answered with a > carrier signal. OK, what is the special form? I've looked at HELP DIAL and HELP SET DIAL and I don't see anything appropriate. Also, in ckc192.upd, it says that there is an XDIAL macro in CKERMIT.INI in the file , but I don't see it. What's up with that? Thanks! Steve Manning System Administrator Mega Marts Inc. Milwaukee, WI USA manning@execpc.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 18:40:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13873 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA25851 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:40:32 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Kermit as a terminal for V.18-capable modems Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.std.internat Date: 27 Sep 1997 06:31:47 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 30 Message-ID: <60h7rr$n90@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <60g0hp$8bs$1@rznews.rrze.uni-erlangen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!van-bc!uniserve!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.info.ucla.edu!132.239.254.208!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!kastagir.senet.com.au!news.adl.auslink.net!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7742 comp.dcom.modems:200757 comp.std.internat:7181 Markus Kuhn (mskuhn@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de) wrote: [edit] : - Use UTF-8. It is self synchronizing, ASCII compatible, and therefore : clearly the nicest solution. : I recently discussed UTF-8 support with a Kermit author and he seems to : have put it on his todo list. Mail him that you would also be interested. : >Is there a standard sequence in ISO 10646 that can be used to tell a terminal : >package to enter ISO 10646 mode? Presumably the V.18-compliant modem could : >also accept and send data as single-byte Latin-1 characters. : ESC % G announces UTF-8. See the ISO 10646 standard and the UTF-8 : addendum for all the ISO 2022 ESC sequences if you really need switching : (section R.6). : Check out for : more info about UTF-8. : Markus Thanks, I will pass your message along to the textphone mailing list. (see http://www.pi.se/~omnitor for details). -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 18:45:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14359 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA26069 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!nocemed!mmfcancel!cyberspam!chainsaw Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: news@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov Message-ID: Control: cancel <342c2dcd.28110900@news.fm.intel.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <342c2dcd.28110900@news.fm.intel.com> no reply ignore Reply-To: bitbucket@HAMMER.msfc.nasa.gov X-No-Archive: Yes Organization: Semi-Automatic Lupine Remover Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:43:42 GMT Approved: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Canceled-By: news@news.msfc.nasa.gov X-Cancel-Flags: a X-Orig-Path: newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!Sprint!uunet!in4.uu.net!scnews.sc.intel.com!itnews.sc.intel.com!news.fm.intel.com!not-for-mail Sender: hesacker@gte.net X-Orig-NNTP-Posting-Host: pheesack-lab.hf.intel.com Lines: 2 Xref: news.columbia.edu control.cancel:18159831 ignore Make Money Fast post canceled by J. Porter Clark. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Sep 26 22:43:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA15085 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA08508 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!news.voicenet.com!omni2!cmosley From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: 27 Sep 1997 02:42:54 GMT Organization: VoiceNet - Internet Access - (215)674-9290 Lines: 38 Message-ID: <60hrre$t7q$1@news3.voicenet.com> References: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7743 Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote: : For Windows, one can probably run MS DOS Kermit in a DOS box, by using PKTMUX : or some such contraption. But if your PC can run Windows, I don't see why : you'd prefer to run DOS Kermit anyway. But if you can only run DesqView or : some other task switcher (eg DoubleDOS), then PKTMUX may allow you to run more : than one TCP client. : Regards, Vlad Yes, pktmux in combination with cslipper. I don't think dosppp uses compression? (slirp can be used if you have a shell account and don't have cslip) can be used to run mskermit as a telnet concurrently with winsock applications. You can run a script that connects using mskermit and runs packet driver to establish tcp/ip serial protocol, then pktmux and pseudo-packet drivers are run for both kermit and winsock. Finally window is run and opens with winsock running and an icon set up for kermit telnet. Use the winsock ethernet packet driver option and a recent version of cslipper with ethernet argument. It is very important to use a recent version of pktmux, there are many versions of pktmux around that will not work. I think the most recent version is "h". You will probably have to limit or eliminate flow control including the the initial kermit serial connection. Even so it works well and is robust- the problems with pktmux must involve complex and difficult evironments. Of course this is just an expediency until you make that big kermit95 purchase! or if you only have windows or wfwg. I don't use windows but kermit and cslipper makes a great telnet for arachne . Why not use the best instead of what is supplied. The "kermit telnet" wrapper for arachne should be and may have to be a compiled program. There are compilers for bat and bat-like languages at oakland. It is somewhat surprising to find that dosppp will not work out of the box for kermit telnet in arachne but dosppp works quite well with _other_ wattcp based programs. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 27 00:48:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA01358 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA14056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Message-ID: Date: 26 Sep 97 22:11:11 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7744 Let's go through the PPP driver situation again when the driver presents an Ethernet Packet Driver interface. PPP is a point to point link involving only two stations: this end and the other end. It is not a broadcast medium, and thus ARP does not apply. Frames do not use MAC addressing. Ethernet is a broadcast medium. ARP is REQUIRED to identify one of many possible stations on the wire. Also many stations can be in the same IP subnet and thus reachable by first soliciting their hardware (Ethernet MAC) address via ARP and then addressing frames to that address. All frames require MAC addressing. ARPing for one's own IP address must produce NO RESPONSE. A PPP driver presenting an Ethernet interface is indistinguishable from real Ethernet at the protocol stack level (i.e., by Kermit). That driver must then FULLY simulate a broadcast medium of many stations, yet they often fail completely to do that job. Half measures are failures too. SLIP is a point to point link. It is not an Ethernet-style interface. Kermit knows about SLIP and treats it as a point to point comms pathway without MAC addresses. Use SLIP interfaces. There is no such thing as a standardized PPP interface, alas, and thus Kermit does not have code to deal with the many PPP interfaces out there. Use SLIP interfaces. Avoid badly designed PPP drivers, please. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 27 03:33:10 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA01410 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 03:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA20168 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 03:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: 27 Sep 1997 14:20:29 +0930 Organization: DIRC - Disability Information & Resource Centre - Sth Australia Lines: 20 Message-ID: <60i3al$8l@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: apache.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!newsfeed.orst.edu!128.101.135.70.MISMATCH!newshub.tc.umn.edu!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.info.ucla.edu!132.239.254.208!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!munnari.OZ.AU!news.mel.connect.com.au!news.ade.connect.com.au!duster.adelaide.on.net!kastagir.senet.com.au!news.adl.auslink.net!news.dircsa.org.au!news.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7745 Vladimir Alexiev (vladimir@cs.ualberta.ca) wrote: : In addition to Merit PPP (PPP.EXE that is distributed with Kermit), there's : another free PPP driver for DOS that you may want to consider. It is PPPD.EXE : in the archive MSDOS/PKTDRVR/DOSPPP05.ZIP on any SimTel mirror. It takes only : 57k in memory (as opposed to 95k taken by Merit PPP), and is more robust. The demoware PPP at ftp://ftp.klos.com/demo/pppdemo.exe also works, but I haven't tried the pppshare.exe at the same location. What I did have problems with was that the MS-DOS Kermit "check TCP" command succeeded when I had a FOSSIL driver, BNUi, loaded, but nothing else that might resemble a TCP/IP capability for MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. Therefore, I needed to manually change MSCUSTOM.INI between serial FOSSIL communications and TCP/IP over the Klos ODI over PPP stack. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082 arthur@dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 27 19:48:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA22816 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:48:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA10078 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!blackbush.xlink.net!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!hsgras73.unisg.ch From: Lotte Gaebel Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit as telnet programm for Netscape 4 Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:47:50 +0200 Organization: SWITCH, Swiss Academic & Research Network Lines: 7 Message-ID: <342D9B26.6C611947@swissonline.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: lambda.unisg.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: bromo.switch.ch 875404076 3129 (None) 130.82.10.87 X-Complaints-To: news@bromo.switch.ch X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7746 I read in the list of new features of kermit95, that it is now possible to choose Kermit as Telnet program for Netscape 4.0. But how? What have I exactly to write if I want to invoke Kermit95 in the Netscape/Edit/Preferences/Applications/URL: Telnet-Protokoll? Is it necessary to write anything in the k95.ini? Thanks for any hint: Lotte Gaebel From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Sep 27 20:36:12 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29050 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA12768 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit as telnet programm for Netscape 4 Date: 28 Sep 1997 00:36:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <60k8pp$gak$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <342D9B26.6C611947@swissonline.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7747 In article <342D9B26.6C611947@swissonline.ch>, Lotte Gaebel wrote: : I read in the list of new features of kermit95, that it is now possible : to choose Kermit as Telnet program for Netscape 4.0. But how? What have : I exactly to write if I want to invoke Kermit95 in the : Netscape/Edit/Preferences/Applications/URL: Telnet-Protokoll? : Is it necessary to write anything in the k95.ini? : Thanks for any hint: Lotte Gaebel : \telnet.exe %1 or \k95.exe -J %1 or any other valid command line. 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Date: 28 Sep 1997 04:59:26 GMT Organization: iSTAR internet Incorporated Lines: 31 Message-ID: <60ko7e$pts@nr1.calgary.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: cheetah.spots.ab.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970709; i586 Linux 2.0.29] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7749 Hi all, my apologies for a (probably) stupid question. At work we needed a quick and dirty solution for downloading boot images into an embedded controller's Flash chips. Not wanting to re-invent the wheel, I decided the best thing to do would be to use an existing protocol for sending the boot image; so I found the Kermit protocol spec on an ftp site and began coding a Kermit receive bootstrap. I've got the transfer working properly now (I think), but it took a few modifications to what I understood the Kermit encoding algorithm to be. Here's the encoding scheme I have so far (for 8-bit transfers): -All ASCII codes under 32 are prefixed with '#' (the control-quote escape), and have bit 6 inverted (modulo 64); -The '#' character is prefixed by itself ('#' => '##'); -ASCII DEL ($7f) is prefixed by '#' and has bit 6 inverted (modulo 64); The same rules seem to be applied to all values over 127, as if they were 7-bit characters (e.g., '#'+128 (code $a3) is prefixed with '#' , resulting in the code $23a3; $FF, which is DEL+128, is prefixed with $23 resulting in $23BF). The Kermit docs I have are quite detailed as to how to encode 8-bit data over a 7-bit line, but they didn't mention these peculiarities about 8-bit encoding. I determined these rules by examining the packets sent by the PD term program 'Telix' on the IBM PC. If anyone could clarify/correct these rules I would appreciate it! Thanks, Russ Magee, Systems Programmer, Steady State Automation Ltd. 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From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 28 14:48:39 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA14742 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04184 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:48:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.55.3.16!news2.mnsinc.com!news1.mnsinc.com!linuxbox.carter.com!lacarter From: lacarter Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via PPP under DOS? Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:42:40 -0500 Organization: Monumental Network Systems Lines: 35 Sender: lacarter@linuxbox.carter.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: References: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacarter.mnsinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <60dt7d$dj2@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7752 On 25 Sep 1997, Rick Matthews wrote: > Can anyone one tell me how to set up a PPP connection under DOS? > > I'll want to use Kermit for telneting, and I will also want > to use a DOS pop mail client. Pegasus? > Hi Rick: There are some internet utilities for dos. You might want to check out the major sites like cdrom.com or oak.oakland.edu. I've seen them and have a few on my BBS. But I can't remember the names of them at this time. However, if you have windows 3.1 or WFWG you can use trumpet. It will allow you to do slip or ppp. You can even use trumpet for tcpip on a network. I use it to network my dos/wfwg machine to my os2/box and linuxbox via tcpip. As far as DOS Kermit is concerned I don't use it. I'm using the Linux version. Maybe someone else can assist you with that. But if the dos version has telnet access, you may be able to run it from a DOS window under Windows to access. If there's a windows 3.x version of kermit you might want to try using that instead. Otherwise there is a Winsock compatible telnet program with zmodem capability called Tera Term that's fully functional. Toodles! lonac ############################################################ # It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by # # every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God # # KJV Matthew 4:4 # ############################################################ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Sep 28 16:03:36 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23851 for ; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.55.3.16!news2.mnsinc.com!news1.mnsinc.com!linuxbox.carter.com!lacarter From: lacarter Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit v.6.0.192 for Linux Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:55:52 -0500 Organization: Monumental Network Systems Lines: 44 Sender: lacarter@linuxbox.carter.com Distribution: inet Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: lacarter.mnsinc.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7753 Hi: I'm using ckermit 6.0.192 for Linux as a telnet client to connect to my dos/bbs running under os2 and my dos/wfwg machine. I don't have any problems connecting. However I am having problems using zmodem whether it's the set protocol command in my .kermrc file or as a macro via the ckurzsz.ini file. Uploads seem to work fine. It's the downloads to the linux machine that I'm having problems with. Whenever I connect to the BBS and try to download a file using zmodem I get a data sub-packet too long and bad crc errors. I believe zmodem exits with a 1 exit status. The file name is actually written on the linux side but it has 0 bytes. When I use kermit to download files I don't have any problems. However, I do have problems using kermit to upload files to the BBS. The BBS supports kermit, xyz modem as well as moby zmodem. However, instead of using kermit to upload files I just use zmodem (sz %s) to upload files to my BBS. Just in case I forgot to mention, I'm using a tcpip connection to my dos BBS which is running under os2. I use SIO's vmodem to connect the os2box to the linuxbox. It would be nice to have one protocol to use to upload and download files. I know that none of this stuff is exact. However, it would be nice. I'm running kermit under Linux 2.0.30. I'm can't seem to determine what version of zmodem I have with this distribution of linux, but I'm assuming it's the latest, as this is the latest stable distribution of linux and zmodem came with it. Toodles! lonac ############################################################ # It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by # # every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God # # KJV Matthew 4:4 # ############################################################ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 29 03:02:22 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA28789 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 03:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA07392 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 03:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews60!supernews.com!wolfman.xtra.co.nz!news.hn.netlink.co.nz!auckland.ac.nz!p.kerr From: p.kerr@auckland.ac.nz (Peter Kerr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems,comp.std.internat Subject: Re: Kermit as a terminal for V.18-capable modems Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:22:40 +1200 Organization: University of Auckland Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <609at2$jf1@gateway.dircsa.org.au> <60gk48$6se$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: p.kerr.mus.auckland.ac.nz X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.2.0b6 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7754 comp.dcom.modems:200927 comp.std.internat:7185 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > The 5-bit codes supported are given in Tables A-1 and A-2. Each character > shall consist of the 5-bit sequence given in the tables preceded by a one > start bit and followed by a minimum of one and one half stop bits. > Amazing, the Internet still running on seven & a half bit Murray code.... I hope they double their paper tape order when they start using ISO10646 -- Peter Kerr bodger School of Music chandler University of Auckland NZ neo-Luddite From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 29 10:28:06 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17087 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19056 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: paging, one more time (at least!) Date: 29 Sep 1997 14:27:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <60odtf$f0a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <342c1831.55160049@news.execpc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7756 In article <342c1831.55160049@news.execpc.com>, Steve Manning wrote: : Quick question: on the C-Kermit web page : (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html), it refers to dialing : numeric pagers: : > ...numeric pagers are dialed using a special form of the DIAL : > command that does not require the call to be answered with a : > carrier signal. : : OK, what is the special form? I've looked at HELP DIAL and HELP SET : DIAL and I don't see anything appropriate. : PDIAL. See pp.72-73 of the manual. : Also, in ckc192.upd, it says that there is an XDIAL macro in : CKERMIT.INI in the file , but I don't see it. What's up with that? : That's not user documentation, it's program edit history. I don't even remember what XDIAL was for, but it was probably removed later when the new intrinsic dialing commands were added, making it unnecessary. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 29 10:35:25 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20262 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19439 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How, exactly, should Kermit encode data? Date: 29 Sep 1997 14:35:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <60oeb7$fc3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <60ko7e$pts@nr1.calgary.istar.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7757 In article <60ko7e$pts@nr1.calgary.istar.net>, Russell Magee wrote: : Hi all, my apologies for a (probably) stupid question. : : At work we needed a quick and dirty solution for downloading boot images : into an embedded controller's Flash chips. Not wanting to re-invent the : wheel, I decided the best thing to do would be to use an existing protocol : for sending the boot image; so I found the Kermit protocol spec on an ftp : site and began coding a Kermit receive bootstrap. : I've got the transfer working properly now (I think), but it took a few : modifications to what I understood the Kermit encoding algorithm to be. : Here's the encoding scheme I have so far (for 8-bit transfers): : : -All ASCII codes under 32 are prefixed with '#' (the control-quote escape), : and have bit 6 inverted (modulo 64); : -The '#' character is prefixed by itself ('#' => '##'); : -ASCII DEL ($7f) is prefixed by '#' and has bit 6 inverted (modulo 64); : : The same rules seem to be applied to all values over 127, as if they were : 7-bit characters (e.g., '#'+128 (code $a3) is prefixed with '#' , resulting : in the code $23a3; $FF, which is DEL+128, is prefixed with $23 resulting in : $23BF). : : The Kermit docs I have are quite detailed as to how to encode 8-bit data : over a 7-bit line, but they didn't mention these peculiarities about 8-bit : encoding. I determined these rules by examining the packets sent by the PD : term program 'Telix' on the IBM PC. If anyone could clarify/correct these : rules I would appreciate it! : I don't know what Kermit protocol spec you found on what ftp site, but no reverse engineering was necessary; the Kermit protocol is specified in the book "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 29 10:41:24 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21314 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA19721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ckermit v.6.0.192 for Linux Date: 29 Sep 1997 14:41:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <60oemh$fia$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7758 In article , lacarter wrote: : I'm using ckermit 6.0.192 for Linux as a telnet client to connect to my : dos/bbs running under os2 and my dos/wfwg machine. : : I don't have any problems connecting. However I am having problems : using zmodem whether it's the set protocol command in my .kermrc file : or as a macro via the ckurzsz.ini file. : : Uploads seem to work fine. It's the downloads to the linux machine that : I'm having problems with. Using Zmodem protocol over a Telnet connection requires that the Zmodem programs adjust themselves to allow for that fact. Does Kermit protocol work over the same connection? : Whenever I connect to the BBS and try to download a file using zmodem I : get a data sub-packet too long and bad crc errors. I believe zmodem : exits with a 1 exit status. The file name is actually written on the : linux side but it has 0 bytes. : : When I use kermit to download files I don't have any problems. However, : I do have problems using kermit to upload files to the BBS. The BBS : supports kermit... : First try telling Kermit to "set parity space" in case your Telnet connection is 7-bit wide in the downstream direction. If that doesn't help then send a Kermit packet log ("log packets", send the resuling packet.log file to kermit-support@columbia.edu) and we'll take a look at it. : ... xyz modem as well as moby zmodem. However, instead of : using kermit to upload files I just use zmodem (sz %s) to upload : files to my BBS. : : Just in case I forgot to mention, I'm using a tcpip connection to my dos : BBS which is running under os2. I use SIO's vmodem to connect the os2box : to the linuxbox. : When you use VMODEM, you are taking chances, since it hides Telnet negotiations from the application, and in many cases the application needs to see them. : It would be nice to have one protocol to use to upload and download files. : I know that none of this stuff is exact. However, it would be nice. : Kermit can up and download files on any kind of connection; sometimes it takes some tuning but all the knobs are there. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 29 11:02:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA25760 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA20850 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!dkcombs From: dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs) Subject: PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS (s5(solaris) <--> netcom(sunos)), ETC: Message-ID: Organization: Netcom On-Line Services Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:55:44 GMT Lines: 134 Sender: dkcombs@netcom14.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7759 SOME KERMIT PROBLEMS I AM HAVING (I think they're Kermit problems -- but maybe they're just solaris <---> sunos problems...) 1. CONTEXT: WHICH KERMIT VERSIONS USED: local: sparcstation 5; solaris 2.5.1 C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x remote: netcom.com (shell acct) sunos C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) 2. CONTEXT: WHICH MODEM: I have a Sportster 14.4 "faxmodem", on a Sparcstation 5, using SOLARIS, connected by dialout to my SHELL ACCOUNT on NETCOM (which has Suns and uses SUNOS 4.x) (I also just bought a NEW modem, a 56K Sportster "faxmodem", but which I am keeping in its box UNTIL I find out how to make my 14.4 work right!) 3. CONTEXT: HOW KERMIT SETUP: By the way, here's my ".mykermrc": set modem type usrobotics set line /dev/cua/a set speed 19200 set file names literal set terminal autodownload on And run with stty sane, terminal=SUN, and I run with on both local and remote "csh", and for display, locally I use Solaris' "CDE", but remotely, it's just a plain cmd-line login) "show dial" vs "show modem" (both shown AFTER doing set modem type, set line, AND set speed): 4. show dial: Line: /dev/cua/a, Modem type: usrobotics, speed: 19200, carrier: auto 5. show modem: Line: /dev/cua/a, Modem type: usrobotics US Robotics Courier or Sportster Modem carrier-watch: auto Modem capabilities: AT SB EC DC HWFC SWFC Modem maximum-speed: 57600 bps Modem error-correction: on Modem compression: on Modem speed-matching: off (interface speed is locked) Modem flow-control: auto Modem kermit-spoof: off Modem escape-character: 43 (= "+") 6. PBM: CAN'T GET "CONTROL-\" TO WORK FOR KERMIT: Well, once in a GREAT while, but rare. Please, what am I doing wrong? (Yes, the key works, since if I use TIP and then run remote EMACS, what with flow control occupying C-s (and C-q), I have to do forward search via "C-\" -- and it works!) RELATED QUESTION: when using Kermit (with its C=\), what is the USUAL solution to doing a forward search on a remote EMACS? 7. PBM: DOWNLOAD TRANSFER-SPEED MUCH TOO SLOW: the Kermit download-display typically shows anywhere from 190 to 250 "cps". EXAMPLE: it takes me FORTY minutes to download a .45-MEG (ie half-megabyte) file -- and that relationship scales linearly. That's .45mb/40min = (.45mb * 1min) / (60sec * 40min) ==> .45mb / 2400sec ==> 4.5bytes * 100,000 / 2.4sec * 1000 ==> 1.9 * 100 bytes/second ==> 1.9 * 100 bytes/second * (8 bits/byte) ==> 1500 bits/second, which is like one TENTH the rated 14.4 speed! (Note: yes, two or so years ago, I sent the modem back to US Robotics, and they returned it to me saying it was just fine.) BUT, ON WIFE'S PC: My wife has a Pentium/OS-2, with a 28.8k modem, and on HER machine, it takes me exactly NINE minutes (via her acct on IBM.NET) to download 1.4mb (ie, a floppy's worth (I always do that size, for sneaker net up to my machine). 8. PBM: downloaded file-NAMES get CHANGED: (And yes, I do say "set file names literal"). TWO problems: (a) filenames get UPPERCASED, and (b) although the FIRST "dot" translates ok, any FURTHER dots are changed to "X", eg: foo.bar.tar.gz" ==> FOO.BARXTARXGZ And, Kermit must think this crazy name translation is just fine, because right there in the download display, it freely admits what it is doing, explicitly showing its name-translation! Again, this is from SUNOS (remote) to SOLARIS/SPARC (local). 9. PBM: DISCONNECTING FROM NETCOM: To exit netcom, I merely say "exit", which logs me off the remote computer. With TIP, I must then do "~.", which disconnects TIP, frees port, etc. However, with KERMIT, it just HANGS, sometimes forcing me to KILL the entire local "SHELLTOOL" I ran Kermit from. My CURRENT solution is to simply TURN OFF THE MODEM. There must be some better way! 10. SILLY QUESTION: edit-number vs major version: is 5-190 IDENTICAL to 6-190? 11. PBM: NON-KERMIT PBM: RZ, SZ no longer works for me: When, up through two years ago, I had a Sun 3/160, running SUNOS 4.1, I could TIP into netcom, and then quickly download binary files (eg .tar.gz) via running "sz" there, and (via tip's ~C" escape cmd) run "rz" here on the 3/160. and it all worked fine. NO LONGER!, now that I have the sparc-5 and solaris, and have recompiled "rz" here for solaris. No workee no more. Any ideas? (Perhaps somehow related to above Kermit speed-problem?) 12. YES, I TOO USE "SCRIBE". Lets trade tricks, techniques, our own documentation. What's your phone number? Mine's 914-632-1883 (New Rochelle) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Sep 29 11:27:33 1997 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01016 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22159 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PROBLEMS, PROBLEMS (s5(solaris) <--> netcom(sunos)), ETC: Date: 29 Sep 1997 15:27:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 195 Message-ID: <60ohct$h57$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:7760 In article , David Combs wrote: : : SOME KERMIT PROBLEMS I AM HAVING : : (I think they're Kermit problems -- but maybe they're just solaris <---> : sunos problems...) : : 1. CONTEXT: WHICH KERMIT VERSIONS USED: : : local: sparcstation 5; solaris 2.5.1 : C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x : remote: netcom.com (shell acct) sunos : C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for SunOS 4.1 (BSD) : : 2. CONTEXT: WHICH MODEM: I have a Sportster 14.4 "faxmodem", on a : Sparcstation 5, using SOLARIS, connected by dialout to my SHELL : ACCOUNT on NETCOM (which has Suns and uses SUNOS 4.x) : : (I also just bought a NEW modem, a 56K Sportster "faxmodem", but : which I am keeping in its box UNTIL I find out how to make my 14.4 : work right!) : : 3. CONTEXT: HOW KERMIT SETUP: : : By the way, here's my ".mykermrc": : : set modem type usrobotics : set line /dev/cua/a : set speed 19200 : OK, so this should give you RTS/CTS flow control automatically, but you might want to check ("show communications") to be sure. : set file names literal : set terminal autodownload on : : And run with stty sane... : Shouldn't matter. C-Kermit sets its own tty modes, and then restores the ones it found upon startup when it exits. : terminal=SUN, and I run with on both local : and remote "csh", and for display, locally I use Solaris' "CDE", : but remotely, it's just a plain cmd-line login) : : "show dial" vs "show modem" (both shown AFTER doing set modem type, : set line, AND set speed): : : 4. show dial: : : Line: /dev/cua/a, Modem type: usrobotics, speed: 19200, carrier: : auto : : 5. show modem: : : Line: /dev/cua/a, Modem type: usrobotics : US Robotics Courier or Sportster : : Modem carrier-watch: auto : Modem capabilities: AT SB EC DC HWFC SWFC : Modem maximum-speed: 57600 bps : Modem error-correction: on : Modem compression: on : Modem speed-matching: off (interface speed is locked) : Modem flow-control: auto : Modem kermit-spoof: off : Modem escape-character: 43 (= "+") : : 6. PBM: CAN'T GET "CONTROL-\" TO WORK FOR KERMIT: : : Well, once in a GREAT while, but rare. Please, what am I doing : wrong? : : (Yes, the key works, since if I use TIP and then run remote EMACS, : what with flow control occupying C-s (and C-q), I have to do : forward search via "C-\" -- and it works!) : I'm not sure what you're asking, but... Ctrl-\ is C-Kermit's default CONNECT-mode escape character. To send one to the host, you must type two of them. See the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html : RELATED QUESTION: when using Kermit (with its C=\), what is the : USUAL solution to doing a forward search on a remote EMACS? : If you are using Ctrl-\s to do a "Regexp I-search", you'll need to type Ctrl-\Ctrl-\s, as noted in the manual. Or... 1. Set your escape character to something else; or... 2. Disable it entirely. Again, see the manual. : 7. PBM: DOWNLOAD TRANSFER-SPEED MUCH TOO SLOW: the Kermit : download-display typically shows anywhere from 190 to 250 "cps". : EXAMPLE: it takes me FORTY minutes to download a .45-MEG (ie : half-megabyte) file -- and that relationship scales linearly. : : That's .45mb/40min = (.45mb * 1min) / (60sec * 40min) ==> .45mb / : 2400sec ==> 4.5bytes * 100,000 / 2.4sec * 1000 ==> 1.9 * 100 : bytes/second ==> 1.9 * 100 bytes/second * (8 bits/byte) ==> 1500 : bits/second, which is like one TENTH the rated 14.4 speed! : : (Note: yes, two or so years ago, I sent the modem back to US : Robotics, and they returned it to me saying it was just fine.) : You didn't say anything about your file-transfer settings. Performance is a tuning issue. Kermit, unlike most other protocols, can be tuned along a continuum with maximum robustness at one end and maximum speed at the other. By default, so that transfers should always work "out of the box", robustness is favored. An entire chapter of "Using C-Kermit" is devoted to this issue, and it explains all the tradeoffs and risks in detail. However, there is a very easy way to try "fast tuning" -- just type "fast" at the Kermit prompt prior to transfer. You can also read about this in the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt : BUT, ON WIFE'S PC: My wife has a Pentium/OS-2, with a 28.8k modem, : and on HER machine, it takes me exactly NINE minutes (via her acct : on IBM.NET) to download 1.4mb (ie, a floppy's worth (I always do : that size, for sneaker net up to my machine). : Evidently her copy of Kermit has fast protocol settings. : 8. PBM: downloaded file-NAMES get CHANGED: : : (And yes, I do say "set file names literal"). : You have to tell both the remote and the local Kermit to do this. : TWO problems: (a) : filenames get UPPERCASED, and (b) although the FIRST "dot" : translates ok, any FURTHER dots are changed to "X", eg: : : foo.bar.tar.gz" ==> FOO.BARXTARXGZ : : And, Kermit must think this crazy name translation is just fine, : because right there in the download display, it freely admits what : it is doing, explicitly showing its name-translation! : If you don't tell the file sender to do this, it translates names by default because it can not assume that the other Kermit is running on UNIX. However, if Netcom would upgrade their Kermit program to 6.0, which has, after all, been out almost a year, then the two Kermits would recognize each other automatically and switch into binary transfer mode and literal filenames automatically. : Again, this is from SUNOS (remote) to SOLARIS/SPARC (local). : : 9. PBM: DISCONNECTING FROM NETCOM: : : To exit netcom, I merely say "exit", which logs me off the remote : computer. : : With TIP, I must then do "~.", which disconnects TIP, frees port, : etc. : : However, with KERMIT, it just HANGS, sometimes forcing me to KILL : the entire local "SHELLTOOL" I ran Kermit from. My CURRENT : solution is to simply TURN OFF THE MODEM. There must be some : better way! : Again, this is explained in detail in the manual. Your modem must be configured to turn off its CD signal when the connection is broken. If it does that, and if you have told C-Kermit that you are using a modem (as you have done), then it should notice when this happens (at least in Solaris -- SunOS does not support this feature) and pop you back to C-Kermit command mode automatically (unless you have used the SET CARRIER-WATCH command to tell it not to). : 10. SILLY QUESTION: edit-number vs major version: is 5-190 IDENTICAL to : 6-190? : 5A(190) and 6.0.192 are two entirely different releases, approximately two years apart. : 11. PBM: NON-KERMIT PBM: RZ, SZ no longer works for me: : : When, up through two years ago, I had a Sun 3/160, running SUNOS : 4.1, I could TIP into netcom, and then quickly download binary : files (eg .tar.gz) via running "sz" there, and (via tip's ~C" : escape cmd) run "rz" here on the 3/160. and it all worked fine. : : NO LONGER!, now that I have the sparc-5 and solaris, and have : recompiled "rz" here for solaris. No workee no more. Any ideas? : (Perhaps somehow related to above Kermit speed-problem?) : Not at all. You'll need to contact Omen Technology to obtain a verion of rz/sz, etc, that work on your new computer. - Frank