Mendele: Yiddish literature and language
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Contents of Vol. 6.148
December 18, 1996

1) A griner shtern (Khane Faygl Turtletaub)
2) Vider fisnoge (Khane Faygl Turtletaub)
3) Nishto (Sylvia Schildt)
4) Role of judeo-french deja malvue? (Sylvia Schildt)
5) Kishinev un lingvistishe pogromen (Sylvia Schildt)
6) Ven men shraybt mendelen (Noyekh Miller)

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:52:25 +0100
From: doctorkf@gte.net
Subject: A griner shtern

A dank di mendelistn vos hobn gevust az gegartn kumt fun garn. S'iz mir
gornisht ayngefaln.

Larry Rosenwald hot zikh nokhgefregt [6.123] vegn "a griner shtern". In
Shloyme Shvartses lid, "shtolener univers" gefint zikh di shures:  "in
grine fayern in di fliendike meteorn." S'leyg zikh afn seykhl az in
cozmos vu s'iz do veyniker zoyershtof zoln di shtern un meteorn brenen
mit fiern fun an ander colir.

Khane Faygl Turtletaub

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 1996 16:52:25 +0100
From: doctorkf@gte.net
Subject: Vider fisnoge

Af Elye Katses frage [6.141]: Bay der mamen in der alter heym, Visheve,
Poyln hot men gerufn calf's foot jelly "kalte fis." Tsi hot emetser
andersh dos a mol gehert?  Pitcha hob ikh nor gehert fun Rusn oder di
vos shtamen fun Rusishe eltern.

Khane Faygl Turtletaub

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:47:26 +0100
From: creativa@charm.net
Subject: Nishto

farvos, libe lingvistn, fargest men, az undzer mame loshn hot zikh/zakh
antviklt in alsatz/lotringen vu men hot eykh geredt frantzeyzish? un es
farblaybt  biz haytikn tog reshtn fun "judeo-french" -" es iz do" iz der
faktisher ekvivalent fun "il y a" - zol feln a hor.  un " es iz
nito/nishto " iz der faktisher ekvivalent fun "il n'y a pas" -- vi eykh
"il n'y a pas de quoi" iz der ekvivalent fun "es iz nishto/nito farvos.
"Nito/nishto farvos" --  pas de quoi.

sylvia schildt
baltimore, md

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:49:54 +0100
From: creativa@charm.net
Subject: Role of judeo-french deja malvue?

vi es zoln nit ershinen naye forshungen vegn unheyb fun yidish, muz men
nit farlirn dem farshtand az mitlelterishe frantzeyzishe dialektn un
judeo-frantzeyzishe dialektn hob geshpilt a vikhtike role in der
antviklung fun alt yidish -- vos iz shayekh vokabular un struktur.
madua/farvos iz dos mitamol gevorn "politically incorrect"?

sylvia schildt
baltimore, md

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 00:59:28 +0100
From: creativa@charm.net
Subject: Kishinev un lingvistishe pogromen

libe fraybdt un fartaydiker fun yidish ...

di fun aykh vos hob zikh arayngekukt in de bashraybungen ibern
kishinever konferentz hobn mestame shoyn farshtanen az es kumt for in
isroyl (nit kishenev) aza min politishn pogrom kegn mame-loshn. un di
mentshn, avraham burg arayngenumen, makhn nit nor politik kegn yidish -
nor zay nemen aveken vikhtiker shtitzung af alerley gebitn - di
sheliakhim in khutz-l-aretz, gelt far yidish limud in isroyl. s'iz faran
a nayer gezetz l'toyvas yidish, ober on gelt iz ken men gornit makhn. es
iz mamesh a moment fun sakones-n'foshes undzer mame-loshn. ikh bet aykh,
mendelyaner, ir hot makht. protestirt tzum sokhnut - wzo - tzum
natanyahu regirung, tzum bildungs minister fun eretz isroyl, un bay ale
in di goles lender, tzu di yidishe organizatzies vu zey kumen zamlen
gelter (gelter vos zey veln nit gebn af yidish limud - me hot sheyn
badarft aroysgebn gelter in may -- un men tut gornit.)

nit lang tzurik.  hot men getumlt ibern forvertz radio stantzie ven es
hot gehaltn baym aveknemen yidishe radio programen, un mir hobn hot
gehat hatzlokhe. itzt darf men tumlen iber dem fashistishn politik
benugeye yidish shprakh un limud (in eretz isroyl un di lender fun
gevezenem ratnfarband) - vos shtamt direkt funem sokhnut (avraham burg)
un a teyl fun natanyahu regirung.

vos ken men ton?  shraybn natanyahun direk, eyk dem bildungs ministerium
in isroyl ... un in undzere heym-shtet lozn visn yidishe organizatzies
zey zoln nit ufnemen di mentshn vos vayzn oys a sine tzu mame-loshn.

sylvia schildt
baltimore, md

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996
From: nmiller@trincoll.edu
Subject: Ven men shraybt mendelen

Khosheve mendelistn, s'iz mir arayngefaln letstns a modner gedank, vil
ikh es mit aykh iberkhazern.  Lomir zogn az es halt zikh shoyn baym yor
2096. Vos far a ponim di velt vet hobn veys ikh nisht.  Ober shtelt zikh
for az tsvishn di bilionen mentshn (un do vert arayngerekhnt undzere
eynilekh un avade zeyere eyniklekh) veln zikh gefinen a gevise tsol
velkhe hobn zikh farintersirt in inyoney yidish.  Af a sheynem tog kumt
tsuloyfn eyne(r) fun di gebentshte un gibt a zog: 'khob gefinen a
genize!!  Vert a tuml.  Vos far a genize?  Iz der entfer: m'hot gefinen
an altn --koym vos me veyst afile viazoy me zol es operirn-- kompyuter,
un dort in altn tel iz geven an arkhiv fun -- mendele.

Yetst zogt aleyn: volt nisht geven sheyn az ven di tayere kinder
undzere veln zikh shoyn hobn derbivet tsu di soydes fun neandertaler
kompyuteray un veln shoyn kenen leyenen mendele az zey veln khotsh
gefinen az mir hobn tsugegreyt af zeyert vegn a shulkhn orukh, a tish
vu ales vet zikh gefinen vos me darf?

Un yetst gey ikh ariber af english.

The shulkhn orukh I have in mind is of course the Table of Contents and
perhaps some day a good workable Index.  The Table is simply a superset
of the Contents that introduce every number of Mendele.

But the Table (originally Bob Rothstein's idea and work) can only be as
good as what goes into it, and that ultimately depends on what you write
as a Subject: line.

Readers down the years (even today's readers for that matter) will learn
nothing from a Subject: line that reads "Vol6.166". Which is why
everyone is asked to write a line that means something. Not just any old
line.  A line that _means_ something and will maybe be useful to others
later on.

Here are a few practical suggestions.  Your cooperation will make life
more instructive and more pleasant for the rest of us.

1. Please restrict your comment or question to a single subject.  That
way, if you happen to be commenting on or answering an earlier post,
yours can be grouped with others that deal with the same topic.  If you
have more than one question, replies can be more intelligbly grouped.

2. If you're following a thread, the simplest way of handling the
Subject: line question (what shall I write?) is to use the same line
as the one you're commenting on.

3. If your post is a response to an earlier post, please tell us whose
post it is and where it's to be found.  Example: "Boris Tomashevsky
(Vol 6.133) writes about ...".

In the name of our future readers the shames thanks you.

Noyekh Miller


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