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You could feel it in him. I'm sure he would be a brave man in disaster and able to do something. That type of person is always able to do something. They're not locked up with their tragedy. They see a horror and they move in, throwing off their coat as they go, whereas the more sensitive types stand on the edge and agonize a while. They may do brave things, but somebody has to sort of direct them. I liked him.

The Department of Labor and the Department of Agriculture had a good deal of contact in those days over these same mutual problems. I don't remember that we had any conflict. We had a good deal of contact with the Farm Security Administration. I was never met with anything but kindness and assistance by this group. I went to see a number of their projects with them. I can't remember the names of the men now, but every now and then I meet somebody who says, “Don't you remember I was in the Farm Security Administration? I was with you the day we went and looked at such and such.”

I knew of the work of the subsistence Homestead Division, of the Farm Security Administration, of the Resettlement Administration, but I only knew of those things in a peripheral way. Those were days when there was a great deal to do. One was very busy with the duties that were unquestionably one's own duty. I had no time at all for