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complaining about a couple of the books that we've done-- Fulbright and whatnot. He said, “I've always heard you say that you'll publish books on both sides. Where are your books in favor of our Vietnam policy?" I said, “Find me one. The people who can write books worth publishing are almost one hundred per cent against Vietnam. You get me a good book defending Vietnam, and, by God, I'll be happy to publish it.” He said, “You'll hear from me very soon.” But I haven't heard a word from him since.

I'd like to go into another little topic if we can. In 1941, toward the end of the year, you published Bud Schulberg's What Makes Sammy Run?

The whole story of my relationship with Bud Schulberg is rather an amusing one. It began when I went up to New Haven to see a Yale-Dartmouth football game. For years, the big football game of the year for Dartmouth was Yale-- Harvard to some extent--but Yale was their big game.

It still is to a certain extent.

I walked into one of the fraternity houses--we were up there for the day--and found there copies of the Dartmouth paper. Here was the day of the big game with Yale, and the Dartmouth paper's great big, right-hand story was about a marble strike in Barre, Vermont! The workers at Barre had