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Finally he said, “Do you mean because I look so dirty?" I
said, “Yes.” He said, “I've been playing touch football in
Central Park.” That's how we met Irwin Shaw. Indeed he was
a very successful young man. I just didn't know about it.
Of course we became very good friends.
Then, during the War he enlisted, and he was in Africa
and had quite a war career. He wrote some of the greatest
short stories written about the War. One of his stories is
anthologized regularly in any anthology that comes out,
called “The Girls in Their Summer Dresses.” Another is
“Sailor off the Bremen,” and several other of his war stories
became famous. We published a couple of them. Sailor off
the Bremen was a collection of those stories and was very
When he came back from the War, he wrote one of the
great war novels, called The Young Lions. The Young Lions
was a tremendous best-seller.
You published it?
Oh, yes. We published everything that he wrote for
a long time.
His next book was The Troubled Air, which was about
the “red channels” era in radio during the McCarthy blight
when they blacklisted people right and left who were suspected
of being Communists. It was a disgraceful episode in
American history, and this novel concerned itself with that.
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