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I know you started a theater column in the Jester. This is sort of where we left off. I was wondering if the circulation increased while you were editor.

The circulation was more or less fixed because the students, as I recall, got the Jester along with some other things for a small payment--the Jester, the Spectator, the varsity show and things of that sort.

You weren't concerned about the financial end?

Well, we were because we had to get some advertisements to make the magazine big enough. And my object was to make it more of a magazine than it had been. You know, it had been pretty slender. Also, there wasn't enough stuff being turned in. So my object was to build the Jester up.

How did you do this? I know you showed me this when we went upstairs. For instance, you showed me the book column, which was new.

Yes, the book column was new. The theater column had been thrown out years before. There had been one. The first thing I did was to look up all the old Jesters and make notes