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wanted to learn the publishing business. Donald was only interested in...

But he did join after you had left.

Yes, this was after I had left. They also hired a young fellow named Emanuel Siwek, who today is the president of Grossett and Dunlap. And when I was there, Ted Weekes was there with me. He became editor of the Atlantic Monthly--a very famous man in the book business. He was selling books for Liveright. There were people there destined to be importan in the publishing business--Dick Simon, Beatrice Kaufman...

It's amazing to think that he'd attracted all these people.

...Lillian Hellman.

Would you describe Horace Liveright as sort of an idea man”

I would say he could have been a Mississippi River boat. gambler with a long silk hat on. He would have been the perfect Mississippi River boat gambler. As I told you, he fancied himself as John Barrymore, and he did look like John Barrymore. He would ask the girls, “Do I remind you of anybody?” and if they said John Barrymore, he would be particularly pleased. He was a kind of matinee idol in his way, very handsome; smoked a cigarette with a long holder. There