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newspaper circles and also had written for Liveright. Among his other successes under the name Samuel Hopkinson Adams, he had also written a book called Flaming Youth, under the pseudonym of Warner Fabian. It was the first novel about giddy flappers and it made a sensation.

And everyone wanted to know who had written it.

Yes, and I told a girl it was Rudyard Kipling. Well, now, this gave us a start in real trade publishing.

Can I ask one question? It was sort of unusual (from my naive point of view) for a publisher to go after a playwright and a poet, because usually these didn't sell. Now, I can understand your interest in the theater. This has come out all the way through. But the poetry. This is something new.

Jeffers was rapidly at that time winning acclaim that in America is accorded to only two or three so-called popular poets in a decade. They're the fashion--like Frost and Edwin Arlington Robinson and Millay and in later years Auden and Dylan Thomas. There are always a few poets that people think it's smart to have around, and Robinson Jeffers had become a topic of conversation because of his passionate poetry, which at that time was considered pretty far out.

Were you able to make some money off him?