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He was a great collector. His particular interest was naval history. He had about the best collection of books on American naval history and world naval history in the world. He had started collecting these when he was Secretary of the Navy. He was always a Navy man.

Did he read the current things?

Not as much as Woodrow Wilson, who was a great detective story lover. And Kennedy, of course, read a great deal when he was sick.

Kennedy too was rather crippled with a bad back.

Yes. You never met him though.

I met him when he was Senator Jack Kennedy. I met him at Marietta Tree's house. We spent a whole evening together.

Were you impressed?

I liked him very much. I never dreamed he'd be President of the United States. He was a young Senator from Massachusetts then. My goodness, he was an attractive man. He had everything, everything.

Too bad.