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was pseudo-recognition kind of thing. Some of it is pretty much what happened later.

Now, let me come to Coretta. The decision is that Coretta should come to Charleston, and when Coretta comes to Charleston, she comes to speak at a church rally at night, to be followed the next day by a parade, a march. She is scheduled to speak at either Morris Brown or the Ebenezer Baptist Church, whichever one it was, but the turnout was so great that she had to do it in two churches.

When she came to the airport, I met her at the airport, and she came and there were state troopers with her. Bill Jones, who was then the CBS correspondent in Atlanta, who is now on CBS national news, he was at the White House for a long time. I remember coming up to her as she walked off the tarmac, as they say in the Philippines, and I said, “Mrs. King, welcome to Charleston, South Vietnam.” Because that's how tough things were.

There were times--I remember one Saturday where there was a confrontation with the National Guard, with gas masks. You've seen the films. The film has it, our film, and we had photographs in the magazine, with tanks! There were tanks rolled in. You had the Guard with gas masks. There's a march coming up to them of kids, and there's this confrontation with them, with bullhorns. You hear it all going on. And these little kids. “If you don't disperse right away, you're all going to jail,” that kind of thing. Up against tanks! It's crazy. And the networks are there with the cameras. It's wonderful, it's just wonderful.

That's the day that I was going back, later that night, to New York, and the CBS guy said, “Look, Moe, if you will take the film with you, I'll have somebody meet you at the airport and we'll get it on the Nightly News tonight,” and that's what I did. I carried the film for CBS.

But it was that kind of crazy thing, and it was very powerfully described, and you would see the blue and white 1199 hats all over the place. It was just the symbol. The blue and white hat was the symbol in Charleston.

It may sound naive, but it's almost baffling to me why they would go to such incredible extremes to stop the union in that situation.

Listen, in New York, liberals fought the union for forty-six days and really whipped us, and you had liberals there. You know, you open the door to unions in the South, through the hospital union for blacks, you're playing big games here. This is big stakes here.