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and to see the reaction of members to the show. In New York, the Times is doing pieces on it, and there are a lot like that. The media coverage is great. Washington Post does a huge feature as we're working on Bread and Roses, just beginning. The guy is now on the staff of the Wall Street Journal, came and spent two days. Happened to run in to a session with the workshop for “Take Care” was going on. That night Harry Belafonte came to the gallery to see the Earl Dotter exhibition wearing dark glasses, that kind of thing. It's in there [on tape] already.

Do you have any idea in total how many members attended Bread and Roses events?

Sure. We figured out that in the first year, Bread and Roses had reached seventy-five to 100 thousand people. Seventy-five to 100 thousand people. Because remember, some of our exhibitions are drawing large crowds. Then our exhibitions began to tour. It's hard to take -- we have different shows -- and to say who's coming one time, two times, etcetera. You don't know. But I would say that Bread and Roses, over its -- I'll give you a simple example. “Images of Labor” was seen by over 300,000 people in the United States -- in the United States. But if you added it, I would say that Bread and Roses may have attracted maybe a half a million, 700,000, maybe three-quarters of a million people over the period of its time.

It sounds as though perhaps a half or three-quarters of the actual membership probably --

In one shape or form, we're at something. Whether they were at a theater program -- because I haven't even described some of the other things that we did.

I don't mean to postpone that, I just have some general questions.

It's very important, and I want to give you an idea of how this works.

I want to dwell more on the purposes that you laid out. I was wondering if you want to elaborate more on them. You said that you saw the thing as exposing the membership to culture, unifying the membership, creating good public relations for the union --

And organizing.

-- and organizing. Were you conscious of that from the very beginning? When you thought about it you sat down with Davis and said, “Look, this is what we're going to accomplish with this.” I remain