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Everybody I know has that poster.

Let me tell you about Tom Herriman. Tom and I used to talk frequently about things. He'd always call me, and he was interested in this kind of thing. I went to Tom one day and I said, “Tom, I'm doing this poster. Bread and Roses -- it's your union. Why don't you guys come in on the cost?” So they looked at my design of the copy, which said “The Bread and Roses Strike. Lawrence 1912. Bread and Roses Cultural Project -- District 1199 Cultural Center.” They said, “We'll buy posters, but we want to have our own copy.” So they took out our name, put in theirs, and they gave it away. We sold ours. We don't give anything away! We did the poster.

Then I wanted to do a film strip. So I went to Milton Meltzer, who's a friend of mine and who has done a lot of film strips, and written any number of books, and was also a good friend of Bill Cahn. He involved Zirel Handler, who works full time for one of the Jewish organizations in doing film strips. They agree that they would do the film strip. At that time the record, the Judy Collins' album “Bread and Roses” came out. They said they'll get the right to use the song, and I'll get Ruby to narrate the thing. So they were moving ahead to do the film strip. The idea was to have the film strip in the gallery, to be shown while people came in.

Then a number of things happened that give you a good example of how Bread and Roses developed. Paul Cowan had written this front page article in the Voice called “Whose America Is It Anyway?” Did I go in to this?

No, no. I think I remember the article.

In the article, Paul tells of his experiences in Lawrence, Massachusetts.

He had met the old guy, the survivor.

It was more than that. It was a very very fine article. But what it was in essence was this. He was interested in roots. He had been to Lawrence in 1976 when George Wallace came during his campaign. He remembered that when he was there, he was surprised that a city like Lawrence, with a historic background, had such strong Wallace support. He perceived it as part of the Wallace appeal to these native born Americans. Now how could he appeal for native born Americans in the city of Lawrence, which is a city of European, you know, immigrants. The more he investigated and started asking people about the Lawrence strike, the more he found out that people did not want to