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Do you think that these things are making their way in to the homes of union members, or primarily in to the homes of middle class union staffers and lawyers, and so on?

I'd say union supporters and union staffers. The worker, it's not within, his environment doesn't work that way, doesn't keep posters in his home. Obviously there are differences. Wherever I go, people will say, “I have your poster.” I remember t.v. shows, watching when the Wilmar Eight was on t.v. They ended it up with an interview with the people who were in the Wilmar Eight, the one was working for a union. They interviewed her in her office. Her office was filled with Bread and Roses posters.

Really it appeals to the labor left, those kind of things, those people who think about people as some cause that has his own art, and its own identity.

Yes. I don't think that the average worker puts up in his or her home posters, or art. In 1199 we would give them as a gift or we'd charge them a buck, to encourage them. Or we'd give as a Christmas gift the Bread and Roses poster -- maybe wrap it up and send it, and all that kind of thing. See all of these things, you have to put it in the tube and you have to mail it. In the beginning we used to do it ourselves. We were like a candy store. Then we decided to give it out to an outfit, fulfillment house. Then I found a non-profit fulfillment house that keeps the cost down. Although the profit margin on it is so small that it's ridiculous. But, you know -- and I don't have the time anymore, or the care, to go around. If I wanted to, I could spend time on the phone and sell a lot of this stuff in, you know, quantity orders. But I'm finished with that stuff. No more selling.

That's the direct mail.

Do you want to say anything about the significance of those things as an effort to create a kind of labor culture, and to spread it a little bit? Because really like you were saying, I mean who else does it? There are very few alternatives sources.

This is another example of that. In totality that's what Bread and Roses is. Bread and Roses has created a workers' culture. It created a culture for working people. I think that a lot of the stuff, most of the stuff is not alien to working people, that workers react to it. The best example was ‘Take Care’ and ‘Take Care, Take Care.’ They were written in such a manner that they appealed to way beyond their hospital audience. I've seen those things performed for all kinds of working class union audiences, and it works, and it works well. It