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Do you think that these things are making their way in to the
homes of union members, or primarily in to the homes of middle class
union staffers and lawyers, and so on?
I'd say union supporters and union staffers. The worker, it's not
within, his environment doesn't work that way, doesn't keep posters in
his home. Obviously there are differences. Wherever I go, people will
say, “I have your poster.” I remember t.v. shows, watching when the
Wilmar Eight was on t.v. They ended it up with an interview with the
people who were in the Wilmar Eight, the one was working for a union.
They interviewed her in her office. Her office was filled with Bread and
Really it appeals to the labor left, those kind of things, those people
who think about people as some cause that has his own art, and its
Yes. I don't think that the average worker puts up in his or her
home posters, or art. In 1199 we would give them as a gift or we'd
charge them a buck, to encourage them. Or we'd give as a Christmas
gift the Bread and Roses poster -- maybe wrap it up and send it, and
all that kind of thing. See all of these things, you have to put it in the
tube and you have to mail it. In the beginning we used to do it
ourselves. We were like a candy store. Then we decided to give it out
to an outfit, fulfillment house. Then I found a non-profit fulfillment
house that keeps the cost down. Although the profit margin on it is so
small that it's ridiculous. But, you know -- and I don't have the time
anymore, or the care, to go around. If I wanted to, I could spend time
on the phone and sell a lot of this stuff in, you know, quantity orders.
But I'm finished with that stuff. No more selling.
That's the direct mail.
Do you want to say anything about the significance of those things
as an effort to create a kind of labor culture, and to spread it a little
bit? Because really like you were saying, I mean who else does it?
There are very few alternatives sources.
This is another example of that. In totality that's what Bread
and Roses is. Bread and Roses has created a workers' culture. It
created a culture for working people. I think that a lot of the stuff,
most of the stuff is not alien to working people, that workers react to
it. The best example was ‘Take Care’ and ‘Take Care, Take Care.’ They
were written in such a manner that they appealed to way beyond their
hospital audience. I've seen those things performed for all kinds of
working class union audiences, and it works, and it works well. It
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