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[laughs] One could easily say more than he ever deserved!
But on top of that, he called it the hospital division of RW, we called it
the national union. He, in the AFL-CIO news and whenever he went
around with the AFL-CIO, he kept talking about how my hospital
division was growing. It would be in the AFL-CIO news and it was a
credit to him. It looked like the RWDSU was an active, aggressive,
feisty kind of organization! And that's the way it was.
Now internally, the problems arose with Doris as the negotiations
Can you pinpoint the time when that process was started?
When it starts?
The process of the negotiations intensifying, and the objections
starting to be raised.
I would say that in 1980 it's very very serious, and by
sometime 1979, 1980 Doris is beginning to distance herself from the
In other words, after the 1979 convention you essentially have a
mandate to proceed with the negotiations, and then you actually begin
Once we actually begin to negotiate -- and this was very
complicated, to work out a health care division inside the service
employees where we would have a great deal of influence and
strength. We didn't want to merge our districts into their districts --
you know, each district would remain, identities were important. They
had problems to win over their union to the idea of giving us a great
deal of control, power, and not autonomy. We would join the SEIU, we
would have positions in it. They had problems to win over their -- and
they spent alot of time winning over. We had the problem of winning
over the RW.
We assumed all along that everything was going to be alright inside.
Then, as the possibilities increased for resolving the whole problem,
Doris began to back off. Doris backed off for a couple of reasons. From
my point of view, basically, Doris was fearful that she would be a small
fish in a big pond. She knew that she was going to be the head of
1199. When Davis was considering stepping down, he set up a
committee to make a recommendation as to who should be the
replacement. Doris was a member of that committee, and they
unanimously recommended Henry Nicholas. More than that, a meeting
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