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who became famous gangsters and were killed. I remember Boggy
Foyer was a basketball player who I knew that became a gangster and
then was killed in a gang fight. But that's the way it was. What areas
do you want to cover?
Jews aren't known for being athletes.
At that time.
Basketball was Jewish, heavily Jewish. Nat Holman, City
College. Even in the pros, the Celtics, and then the Jewels came out
of St. John's had mostly Jews on it. And when we played basketball,
we played against some teams that did not have Jews, obviously, but
most of the teams that were good had Jews. The best team was
usually at Thomas Jefferson, with “Rip” Kaplinsky, Java Gotkin, and
others who later went on to college to star were playing there, mostly
Jews. We would spend Saturday night going around. The
Williamsburg Y was near us, too, and the Williamsburg Y had a lot of
cultural activities. Occasionally we saw a play there, but that did not
stand out. We went there because it had a gym and we could play
there, we could watch games there. We would even go the church
right beyond it on Saturday night because there were basketball
games, just to watch them play, the kids.
You would watch the Christians play.
We'd watch the Christians play. But at that time we were
already in high school. We were older. The period of the beatings was
a young time.
Like how much younger? Five, six, seven?
No. Seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, before going to high
That period lasted for as long as you could remember until you got
into high school?
Yes, it was always playing basketball.
No, I meant the period of the anti-Semitism.
Yes, the anti-Semitism was with you all the time in the sense
that we lived in a Jewish milieu, even when we went to a band. We
went to the Jewish resorts. It wasn't a religious resort; it was Jewish.
We pretty much stayed within that framework. I'm trying to think of
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