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This was '31. I'm in high school. No, wait a minute. Gimbel's is before '31. Gimbel's has to be like '29.

Fourteen, fifteen.

Yes. I'm on the basketball team when I'm turning out lights, so I'm playing, and I was on the basketball team for at least two years.

In high school.

In high school.

This was Eastern District High School.

I graduated Eastern District in 1932, and I graduated junior h.s. in '29. I graduated Brooklyn College in '36.

There are a couple of quick questions that I didn't ask earlier about the very early time. Were you born in a hospital or at home?

I think I was born at home. I was born at home. I remember Henry being born at home. I remember it because I heard crying and screams, and I remember to this day, I was in the kitchen near the sink, and it upset me, and I turned on the water, the faucet, and I threw a pencil in the sink. That's what I remember. I remember also -- I don't remember this, but this is the story that was handed down in my family about my brothers when they were born, they were born at home, too. They were born, and the first children were twins. My mother never knew she was going to have twins, and hen my father came home from work, she was beside herself. She was weeping. He said, “What's the matter?”

She said, “How am I going to take care of twins? One is enough. How can I take care of two?”

My father looked, looked at one and said, “Don't worry. He doesn't look so good.” That's the story that was handed down in my family. He never would say who he pointed to. I think that one of them was born fifteen minutes earlier than the other.

In general, aside from Henry's problem with his leg, the family was always in good health?

Yeah, we had no serious things. You know, you'd break an arm or something like that, but nothing.