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Depression, and I became very interested in every little thing about it,
but I personally don't recall it as a horrible period. It wasn't.
To summarizeit, what strikes me most are two things. One, that
you had such a diverse range of interests, and it seemed like all of you
did. I mean, this is not getting into when you got involved in music,
but music, and reading, you know, cheap novels, and sports, and all
these kinds of things, and that you --
But everybody did that. I don't think that was very unusual.
Maybe the music was.
I don't mean unusual for you. I mean the whole milieu was like
that, people did everything.
Yes, people did everything. They sort of tasted everything at
that time. It was a small town in a big city. It was very tight, the
people were all close together. I remember the backyards. In the
backyards there was always somebody, always singing in the yards,
and people were throwing down pennies. A lot of crazy things
happened there that I gather is fairly typical of what was happening all
over the place. Like, for example, we were up in the Adirondacks,
we'd run into somebody, a couple there, he lived in Williamsburg,
much older thanI, in a different section of Williamsburg. His
experiences are fairly similar to mine, even though he's considerably
older, he's about eighty.
One thing that also has struck me is that it seems to me, based on
what I've heard from my grandfather, who was twenty-five years older
than you, you know, that the Lower East Side experience was
somehow different from the Williamsburg experience, that in the
Lower East Side --
They're poorer and politics seem inescapable in the Lower East
There had to have been socialist around during this period, on
the street corners.
In Williamsburg. And they don't stand out in my mind. They
may in other people who were there. For example, my brothers, I'll
bet you, would remember them. I don't really, because my interests
were not in that direction. There had to have been, but the East Side
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