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I'm working, I'm playing in a band for some time, and I'm playing basketball, which is my main -- and the garage is located right near Brooklyn College, right there, so my father would wait until practice ends at 7:00, 7:30, he'll wait for me to come over there with Harry Feingold, who was on the team with me, who we would drop off on the way, and he would drive us home. By the way, that's something that I inherited and it probably is endemic to the kind of Jewish family -- everything for the kids.

“Alles fur die Kinder.”

Yes. Well, he would wait to take us to the station, the car was always there, he was always to be called on to do that. Later on when we had the band, all kinds of things would happen. But when I grew up, for the kids, it still -- I'm offering, you drive them eighty miles if they need it, that kind of thing. It's like that's the kind of thing that you do. It's crazy, really, it's silly.

What kind of band were you playing in? Who was your teacher?

In what time? Incollege?

In high school and college.

In high school I played in a band, I'm not good enough, so I get a job in the summertime, that's the only time I can play, in a four- piece band that plays in a small hotel.

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So anyway, we're talking about you playing in a band.

I'm playing in the band in the summertime.

In high school.

In high school. I will occasionally sit in. I learned to play the tenor sax, too, and since Phil plays the alto, I can sit in and not be paid at some dances that they played, small bands, a four-piece band. So I get the experience of playing with a band. The band, we don't begin to concentrate on a band until later on. We're still playing summertime, this time beginning to go to air, live, and becoming part of, by the third year, a more political-type band, because we were becoming more political and beginning to move in that direction. It was later on that the band becomes the only way I have of earning money for a while, just for a short while, because other things happened.