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And the end product is a series of photos with text produced by each individual.

Photos with text, blow-ups, and displayed in the group headquarters or in other union headquarters. The Central Labor Council is anxious to tour and to display them. So this will be a very large project.

The other project I want to tell you about is that we are doing a film. It's a film on Bread and Roses. What is being done is that we have a camera crew with a director who have been interviewing and shooting different events of Bread and Roses, whether it was the Fasanella exhibition or any of the other projects that we do. Unseen America. They'll shoot one of the groups, the colleges, etc., and the other projects will be put into one thing.

I was interviewed for four hours to get what they hope to be the narration of the film. The Metro Channel has told us that they want to put it on to Metro Channel, which is a commercial channel in New York and then we will have copies of twenty-six minutes that we will distribute and an eight-minute thing that we will distribute to potential funders. But all told, it will mean that a major television program on Bread and Roses will be seen by huge numbers of members, with an opening at the gallery, things like that.

Do you want to talk a little bit about your changing role in Bread and Roses and the emergence of Esther Cohen, who's now -- I guess her title is the artistic director of the project.

Because of my health, I have for a few years had the problems with my heart and my lung, and more recently a wound in my leg which takes a long time to heal. Basically, I am much more confined to my home, where I meet with people who come here and I'm on the phone a great deal. So a lot of the work now has to be taken up by other people. I can't run around the way I did before. I can speak to people I know on the phone.

So Esther Cohen has become the key person in Bread and Roses, and it's just fortunate that it's Esther. Esther is a person with enormous gifts and ideas and works well with people, and ideas come to her a mile a minute. She writes and sees all kinds of people at all kinds of times -- she teaches a writing class for the last several years.

For whom?