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Why don't you describe a typical work day. We were just
interrupted by Esther Cohen coming to report for half an hour on
events at Bread and Roses. How many times a day are you on the
I'm on the phone -- I live on the phone, either calling or getting
calls. It's my way of keeping up and on top of things. There are many
people I know who nobody else knows. I've reached a point where
these people will respond to my calls. They know me, they respect me,
and normally you wouldn't expect that those people would return calls.
Now, you're eighty-seven now?
No. I was eighty-five.
I'll be eighty-six in August. [Tape interruption]
Eighty-five. Now, a lot of people at eighty-five would consider it
time to if not withdraw completely, to slow down. To the extent that
that's possible, you're going full steam ahead.
Most people don't do that.
Well, you see, it's still my desire to continue what I'm doing.
Sometimes I wonder whether I'm overdoing it, but it doesn't hurt me
physically to do it as long as I combine certain exercises, walking, and
my diet has to be very, very careful. Weather like this, I can't go out,
even by car. It's too difficult for me.
Snow on the ground.
Snow on the ground. But I have come to the union for certain
events. I've been able to go out for dinner with people at certain
times, and I'm still here.
Now, since 1982, when you formally retired and when presumably
demands on your time were somewhat diminished, from the union,
were there other activities that you filled in with, other things that
were not related to 1199 and Bread and Roses?
Well, the only things that I do, I read the paper. I read as much
as I can.
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