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Stanley would approve them and I would discuss with Stanley all the time. Then we in meetings got to know Coretta King, and she became a very, very close supporter. I think I told you about 1199-A, 1199-B, C. I told you that story.

The growth of [cross-talk].

To name them alphabetically. I wrote into a speech which she made and we were carrying out Coretta King's wishes. She traveled with us all over.

Then I want to tell you about the Mother's Day march in Charleston, because there were like 16,000 people, every able-bodied person in Charleston who was black and religious. Nuns were marching with us that day. As we marched, I remember turning -- two things I remember. One, I turned to Andy --

[Andrew] Andy Young?

Andy Young, who was with me a great deal. I said, “Andy, what do you think? You think we can win?”

And he said to me, “Moe, I don't know if we can win, but we sure can't lose.”

And then when it came to deciding who would speak at the rally, big, big rally, it was up to me to decide the order of speakers. Al Heaps came in to represent the AFL-CIO. Walter Reuther flew in from Denmark to be there, march, and to speak. And Al Heaps gave us, from the AFL-CIO, $25,000, and Walter Reuther gave us $25,000. I turned to Andy and I said, “You know, if the labor movement split one other way, we'll make a profit on this strike.”

I told you about Andy and Carl Farris fighting on the floor.

I don't think you've said that yet, no.

We got, through Stanley, got the SCLC [Southern Christian Leadership Conference] to agree. King was dead. There was suffering because of the effects of the Poor People's March that was not exactly a great triumph. So they were trying to be rehabilitated in some way. I told Stanley that Charleston was the place. I remember very, very clear, I was in the office on a Sunday, just dreaming how do we change this. Nick was down there.

Henry Nicholas.