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Before I know it, Carl is up and Andy, they're fighting and they're wrestling on the floor, and I'm shocked at what's happening, you know, that we're responsible. And when they get up, I say to Andy, “I thought you were a strong believer in nonviolence.”

And he said, “Hmm. Sometimes you have to do this.”

And Stanley said to me, “Don't worry. Nothing will change.” That I remember.

Let's see. Oh, I remember when Coretta King came to Charleston. She and Ralph were no longer close. She was not part of SCLC. There was talk she was trying to head up her own organization. But Andy was close to her, Stanley was close to her, so I got to know her and asked her if she would come to Charleston to speak, and she said, “I'll come one or two times, but I'll come if you will write me a speech. We'll set a date and you'll stay with me.”

So she came down to Charleston. I met her at the airport. I remember the media was all over the place, and the cops. I remember a guy Bill Jones from CBS, who got up, got to Coretta and said, “Mrs. King, welcome to Charleston, South Vietnam.”

And then she walked with me through the crowds, and finally at night came to speak. Instead of one church, you had to speak at two. And I had to be close to her. The crowds were so huge, pressing on me, staying with her, when it was over I looked and my wallet was gone. So I said to Andy, “Andy, look. If I have to spend time now to get my Social Security Card and my driver's license and my credit cards replaced, it's going to kill me.”

“Don't worry.”

The next day he came and said, “Moe, here's your wallet.” They got the word out and they gave the wallet. I was so touched by that.

You were close to Andy Young.

Oh, Andy Young, we were very, very--as a matter of fact, recently Debbie was speaking at a conference someplace.

Debbie King?

Debbie King, on the training fund, on training. Andy was on the -- and he came to her and he said, “Did you say you're with 1199?”

“Yes.”