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McCarthy period, because you're talking about, going to work in 65 at
the height of McCarthyism.
Yes, but if you look back, you'll find that the Hollywood
situation was a violent attack on actors and actresses. There was the
period -- I don't have the years anymore -- but in the Wallace
campaign there was a very strong effective utilization of intellectuals
and performers, etc., for Wallace I remember--and this hurt her for a
long time afterward--Lena Horne with pictures with Paul Robeson.
Yes. You see, Robeson played a very important role in the
I wasn't aware of that.
Yes, he went on tours, singing, you know. Yes, he did. Whether
it was Lena Horne on the Wallace campaign, but with Robeson, you
see, these issues sort of dovetailed and moved in and out. One of the
problems I have is trying to fix dates for the things, so that I will make
some serious blunders on dates.
Now, you went to work for 1250, you said, in 1947, which was the
year that the Taft-Hartley Act was passed. Do you recall the impact of
the passage of the act? It was very close. I mean it was almost --
Yes. I remember outdoor demonstrations on 23rd Street,
Madison Square Park. I remember, I think, a rally, may have been at
Madison Square Garden. But you had a feeling that it was going to
happen, that you couldn't stop it, that it was coming. Now then the
question is, what impact. To tell you the truth, since I did not deal with
bargaining, it didn't have that kind of impact on me and my work. But
it did have impact in terms of the section on communist affidavits.
That created a great deal of concern. What are you going to do about
this? And how are you going to get the members to approve? I
remember that the issue had to come to the membership, they had to
vote on whether the people would sign the affidavits, and we
campaigned to avoid signing. It was a big deal.
And what about the Wallace campaign? [tape interruption] Wallace
Wallace campaign. It must have been shortly--let's me think.
When did I come in?
You came in '47.
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