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We also wanted a theme, and we got a record of “Turn, Turn, Turn,” some famous group.

Peter, Paul, and Mary?

No, it wasn't Peter, Paul, and Mary.

It was the Byrds.

That's right. We decided that we would use that as the theme. Johnny put the film together and we finished it. We looked it, and we were really very, very moved by it. Johnny was very moved, and he had to go, so he took off.

In what way were you moved?

It was a very moving film. If you see it now, you'll agree that it's a very emotionally moving film, and it also has something to say that's very unique and the workers say it. That's the unusual part of it. It has the March on Washington, it has everything in it, including organizing, etc. I showed it to Ossie and Ossie said, “What do you plan to do with this film?”

I said, “We're going to show it to the members.”

He said, “This film is bigger than that. You ought to think in terms of doing something else with it.”

So I said, “I don't know what I can do with it.”

“You ought see if you can show it to people.”

So we started to move it around to people. I think I told you the story about Peter Millones. Peter Millones was at that time the labor reporter for the Times. We were at that time working--I'll come back to Vietnam. I arranged with Peter, it was for Memorial Day. I wanted to give him an exclusive. The announcement of the first nationwide labor conference against the war, the labor leadership assembly for peace was announcing its Chicago conference in '68. No, it isn't '68 because McCarthy spoke there. Okay. In the spring of '68.

It was '68?

The conference was in '68. It must have been in the summer of '67 or fall of '67. He came up and I gave him the story about the thing, and he was going to write a story. Then I said, “Peter, you got half an hour?”