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It was insane. (laughs) After he lost, he let his hair go back to the natural gray. It's a rather nice gray. There's nothing wrong with it.

Before that, as I remember him -- did he have brown hair or blackish hair when he was younger?

Well, I would say it was more to the black than brown. And when he dyed it, it was intended to be brown but came out red. It was just nutty. And that kind of vanity has always offended me, maybe because I'm bald and there's a sort of resentment. I don't know -- I hope that's not so -- but I've always felt that people who need to dye their hair or replace their hair with some kind of toupee or wig are silly. They've always been a notch lower in my judgment as a result of doing that. That's a personal point of view.

In any event, he lost -- and it's good for the country that he lost and good for the city. He's gone back to the practice of law. He's a good lawyer. But his aspiration -- and that is why his wife is so bitter toward me -- that he had in mind for his whole life was replacing Hogan, and that almost came within his grasp because of the temporary appointment, and then to see it taken away: that has to embitter a man terribly.

Do I recall correctly that he lost by a substantial margin?