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of Manhattan or the Assembly seat on the upper east side of Manhattan, the Liberal party endorsement was very key in two ways. One, it really decided who the Democrats would pick in their selection process, because the Democrats wanting to win any one of these three seats. The Liberal party endorsement also would be important for the councilmanic seats for the east side now held by Carol Greitzer, the one that I had before I became a Congressman.

You might point out here that Kupferman had it before you did.

Yes, the councilmanic seat and then went to Congress. Yes, right. And I'll tell you a little story about Kupferman that he told about me.

In any event, the Liberal party endorsement for any one of those two or three seats had an enormous influence on what the Democrats would do in the selection of their candidate because they knew that if the Liberal party had endorsed a Liberal party candidate -- and that candidate was on the line, the Liberal party candidate -- and the Democrats selected somebody else, there was no chance in the world of that major Democratic candidate winning against the Republican, because you needed the Liberal party endorsement. So they would try to have an accommodation with the Liberal party. That was that aspect of it.

In fact (just to digress for a minute), when I first ran in 1962 for the Assembly -- and I ultimately lost, as I have reported I was interviewed by the Liberal party. And they