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Right, and it relates to the federal privacy legislation.

Well, anyway, getting back to Bella: she had this meeting at Hunter. This was described in the New York Times and the New York Post at the time. It caused me a lot of anguish. There was a big parade, and I went to the meeting, and they had all of the members of Congress who identified with the reform movement or who were anti-war from New York, and Bella was the chairwoman. And the basic question ultimately posed to everybody was: will you endorse the Mobilization for Peace parade? I think that's what it was called. And I said, “No.” I said (this was a very good phrase), “I will walk with Communists and Black Panthers, but I will never let them lead me.” This was considered red-baiting. (laughs) I don't understand it myself. Why is that red-baiting? But that's the way it was carried in the press. And of course that got all of those people angry. I don't blame them. I intended to get them angry. Okay.

But that's the nature of our fireworks on all occasions. I consider her to be an extreme radical. She considers me, I suppose (and I think she has probably said it to people), to be an arch-reactionary. I don't know whether she's ever called me a fascist or not but arch-reactionary. Of course, it's very hard to establish that from my record. But that's the way she perceives me, I guess.

Anyway in the Congress when she was elected, she pursued