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Monday) and she says, “Let's have a press conference tomorrow in Washington on the atrocities, the Syrian ghoulish atrocities.” And he says, “Fine.” But then he reads the paper Tuesday morning in Washington and she's already had her press conference after she had called him, in which she takes out the pictures that Golda Meir had shown to all of us and that she had gone back to get, and she has this enormous press conference. And Rosenthal was so angry that as he describes it -- and it's been verified by people on his staff to me -- he was yelling, “That beast of Buchenwald!” That's how he referred to her. (laughs) He was fit to be tied that she had betrayed the delegation, so to speak, and also had tried to mislead him as she did by that earlier call, and then all that flowed.

Well, subsequently we were interviewed -- I don't remember if it was by Marty Tolchin or one of the other reporters -- and Rosenthal said some nasty things about Bella. I was not publicly identified in the article. There was nothing attributed to me, but she was fit to be tied. I can't even remember what was said, but it was nasty. And she began to berate me on the floor. I describe her always as: “she comes at you like a T-62 tank.” And there are really only two people who really take her on. Rosenthal is really not one of those. He's been reluctant -- occasionally does. The other one is who takes her on, other than myself (I take her on in head-on collisions) is Mario Biaggi. He takes no shit from her, nor do I.