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to the freshmen, they are really frightened that she would be the Senatorial candidate. You talk to Jerry Ambro and you talk to Tom Downey and Ned Patterson -- they really are very upset about it. But nobody ever asks them. No reporter ever asks them. And they should be asked. It's unfortunate, whether for attribution or not, but they should be asked. And they I think would volunteer it if asked, but they're not. Anyway, I'm the only one who goes out and seeks the public opportunity to say something nasty about her, because I don't like her -- I don't believe she's good for the country.

What else? Oh, there's a story -- I was not privy to it, -- but early in her career when she was very aggressive and attacked Ron Dellums, this black from California, for not being present at some vote on the war, some vote in the Democratic caucus, she began to berate him on the floor. There were witnesses; I was not a witness, but it was witnessed by a number of people. And she began to berate him for not having been there when he should have been there, and he said to her -- this is the only way you can talk to someone like that --: “Shut up, you white elitist motherfucker.” Well, she near burst into tears. But that's the only way you can handle her. I'm not suggesting that you have to use that language, but it's only the direct confrontation... and especially when a black does it to her, because she considers herself to be part of that radical struggle. And when a black balks to her that way, she just caves in. There's really