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Did Bella manage the second bill that did pass?
I cannot tell you whether she was the key proponent
because I didn't stay on the floor for it, but there's no
question that she had to take an active role in it.
And when the first bill failed to get two-thirds, was this
30 to 40 votes that you mentioned as just being knee-jerk
anti-Bella -- would that have put it over?
I would say so. I would say that it was the knee-jerk
anti-Bella vote that probably caused the defeat on the first
occasion. And there were these other factors that I mentioned
You've mentioned your support of ERA and women's rights
in general. Can you elaborate on your involvement in the women's
Sure. Well, firstly, I am someone who has always been
supportive of minorities. That comes naturally simply as a
Jew. So I take pride in having been very active in support of
the blacks in their struggle for voting rights. I've been
through that with you, my going to Mississippi. And I support
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