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him, “No, I'm leaving. I'm not going on with these people on a television program where you going to bring me on stage like a trained poodle. Not me.” He said, “Suit yourself.” And I left.

Now, we subsequently became very good friends. He became deputy mayor: I would see him, I would talk to him, and he never forgot what I did, particularly since I then was placed on trial by Tammany Hall along with Carol. J. Raymond Jones held a trial where they were going to drum us out of our party leadership and drum us out of the party. And they had a trial at the Commodore Hotel, and in the meantime of all of the reform district leaders, very few came to our defense. The only ones that I would say were decent -- I can only think of one: Franz Leichter. He was very supportive. There may have been others but I can't remember them.

Franz Leichter was district leader at this time. Is that the Riverside Democratic Club?

Yes.

And that was Bill Ryan's old club.

Correct.

And he was very supportive. They were trying to get Carol