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Interview # 2
Interviewee: Congressman Edward I. Koch
Interviewer: Ed Edwin
Data: December 13, 1975
New York City


I wonder if you might start by just picking up a couple of points from your last interview. First of all, Carmine DeSapio: could you go into any more detail on what your impression of him was as a political operator?


Well, Carmine had a manner that I never quite understood as one that would be so well received. He was a man whose language, his accent -- not that it was a foreign accent, but the way he spoke, the syntax, the tone -- was not in my judgment very engaging. And yet I'd always read about how engaging he was in his manner. It's a small point, but I never understood why people were so taken with him.

Now, in terms of how he would deal with people: I never had an extended discussion with Carmine De Sapio. It would always be a minute discussion -- it would be a greeting -- because we never had a relationship where either he or I were social friends or he and I were engaged in some political agreement. The only time that we ever talked was on a show where we were attacking one another in a sense or at least I would be assaulting his position.

Now, I don't think I mentioned the fact that I went to his mother's funeral. Did I, the last time?

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