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true if you had continued just taking your guidance from the club itself, you may have been taking guidance from a lot of people, even a majority, who were not Villagers?

No question about it. I wouldn't say a majority but a lot of people.

As I recall those times myself, you could go to other reform clubs and some of these people actually belonged to several reform clubs.

Oh, yes. They voted all over town. (laughs) They were very good people. I must say they're still around, and I'm not trying to put them down. Let me just tell you about my feelings about reformers and regulars. I like regulars as human beings better than I do reformers. I like conservatives as human beings better than I do liberals. And I agree with the reformers more than I do the regulars, and I agree with the liberals more than I do the conservatives in the philosophical area. But as human beings, reformers and liberals care so little about human beings except in the abstract. They love them in the abstract; they don't like them in the particular. What do I mean by that? I mean they don't care about the impact on a human individual. What they care about is some general axiom, some philosophy, and now how it impacts on somebody immediately. It's like Stanley