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Ed, first of all, I'd like to pick up where we left off yesterday, and that was when you had the proposal or an amendment to end reverse discrimination in the Small Business Administration, and you concluded with the account of your going to Joe Rauh, Jr., and he said he'd fight you if you tried to force it through on the floor of Congress after you'd been defeated in the full committee.

First of all, I want to get Joe Rauh a little further identified. Is this the long-time ADA activist or his son?

No, it's the older of the two, the activist.

The activist. He's past president of ADA, is that right?

I think so.

And still remains active. Okay.

Well, I didn't get any support for pursuing it. The Jewish organizations, to whom I had sent out copies of a statement that I had made on the need to stop the reverse discrimination --