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Plaza covered with stuff and boots and everything, go up on the elevator to the 17th floor, which is where David Rockefeller has his office, and out comes Vice-President Nolan, and he helps me off with my boots and my coat. I mean he could not have been more obliging. And at that moment after I had my boots off, out comes David Rockefeller.

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And so out comes David Rockefeller, very genteel and welcomes me. “Oh, Congressman Koch,” says he, “how nice of you to come,” and we walk into this really sumptuous half a floor in this building -- not office but living room, beautifully furnished, -- and we sit down and a little chit-chat and then David Rockefeller says, “You know, Congressman Koch, I really am a little distressed by what's taken place because you know, when I was at school” -- and I think he said St. Paul's, but I'm not sure -- “my best friends were Jewish.” I thought to myself: “My God, how can he be so stupid?” And I responded: “But, of course, Mr. Rockefeller, everybody knows how supportive you and your family have been to the Jewish causes, and that's why I was even more doubly shocked by your statement.”

He says, “You know, Congressman, I am also upset that a private conversation between myself and the President should be the subject of public discussion.”