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had a gun on him, and I had a gun, I wouldn't give it to my son.” I said, “Ron, you're full of shit. You are not a pacifist, and if your son were being held up by a gun and you could stop the guy and kill him with a gun, you would and you know it and I know your son's life is very precious to you -- and Israel's life is at stake.” So he says at the end of this conversation: “I'm glad I called you because I'm going to vote for it.” This is the end of an hour and a half conversation.

Of course the next day he doesn't vote for it. I can't remember whether he abstained or voted against it.

There's one other little incident that occurred at that time with Parren Mitchell. I happen to be standing next to Parren Mitchell when he votes. We have an electronic machine operation where you put your plastic card into the machine, and Parren Mitchell is from Baltimore. He's the brother of Clarence Mitchell of the NAACP. Well, Parren puts in and pushes the “no” button, and it flashes up on the wall “no” -- against the $2.2 billion. Then I think he probably has thoughts... He has a 20% Jewish constituency maybe and other things, so he decides maybe that's not the right thing to do, and so he goes over to the controller of the electronics system and he says to him, “Can I get off the machine altogether?” What he wants to do is not vote. And the guy says, “No, once you're on the machine, you can't get off. You can change your vote from ‘no’ to present or ‘yes’ or any combination of that, but you can't get off the machine once