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were going to vote for me, and I never counted on it. And I don't find any problem with that. There's nothing wrong with ethnic politics. A lot of people like to talk about a melting pot and that we're all together. It's all bull shit. There is ethnic politics in this country and in this city in particular, and I approve of it. More Jews will vote for me than an ordinary non-Jew. I want to make a distinction by that. Jews are peculiar in a whole host of ways. One way is they love to vote for someone who they consider to be an FDR, a WASP with power and money who they think loves them. And they'll vote for an FDR or an FDR, Jr. in preference to a Jew, because they much prefer to get someone that they can think of as more classy, see. They loved Lindsay for a while. I don't think they do anymore but they did for a while. And that was one of the reasons that my success is unique in a way, because this syndrome that I'm talking about is accentuated on the east side of Manhattan where you have upwardly mobile Jews. These are not the economically deprived, these are not orthodox, and voting for me as they do now overwhelmingly is really unique.

But there's nothing wrong with any of the things that I have mentioned as to how it affects people. You have aspirations. A black would love to see a black mayor. It's ridiculous to think that if Percy Sutton ran that he wouldn't get the overwhelming black votes. And some people would say, “If a white man were in opposition to him, how awful it is if whites vote overwhelmingly for the white.” Well, I guess it may be in the