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to be the ice man, and Wally is a very successful lawyer... They said to me (Dina and Wally and Nick Marucci who is now dead): “Listen, why do you have to be for the Civilian Police Complaint Board?” So I said, “Because I believe in it.” “Well, why can't you just shut up?” I said, “no Because that would not be me. You don't have to be for the board, but I have to be for the board, and I have to say the same in the North Village and the South Village. I can't have two stories.” They sort of shook their heads like I was a nut. Wally told this story. He would go to the tenements and knock on the doors to get signatures to put me on the ballot, and he came to this elderly Italian lady's apartment, knocked on the doors. “Who's there?” she said. “It's Wally, Wally Popolizio. You remember me. I used to deliver ice” because he used to deliver ice as his father's son on the truck. “Oh, yes, Wally, how are you?” and invites him in. He says to her, “I'd appreciate your signing this petition for my friend Ed Koch who's running for the City Council.” She said, “How does he feel about the Civilian Police Complaint Board?” because that was the issue. The Italians to a man were opposed to the board. Wally said, “Listen, on community matters Ed is great. On the Civilian Police Complaint Board, he's a little crazy.” She signed.

Now, you couldn't get a liberal to do that for you, not at all. He'd walk away from you. He couldn't tolerate that difference of opinion on for what that community was a fundamental