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most poor people don't commit crimes of violence. You've got to face it. And the guy who faced it was Roy Wilkins. I remember reading a column of his, and I'm just sorry I don't have it, but I will have to go back and get it because I'm sure I'll have reference to it at a later time, when he said that the black community (and I don't know whether he was talking about New York or the country) is faced with a problem which involves 250,000 pathological blacks bent on violence and meanness and lashing out, and they cause the black population enormous problems because they also lash out and cause violence basically in the black community. You know, when the blacks burned after Martin Luther King, what did they burn? They burned their own houses. I mean it was dumb. If they were going to burn, burn somebody else's. (laughs) But that's what they did.

Well, anyway I think that that's got to be faced fairly and squarely. And what I think you have to say to people is: everybody's rights have to be protected, and whatever your money can buy you, in terms of housing and public accommodations and so forth, your race should not be a bar. And that's the law today. And if people engage in violations of that law -- somebody on Staten Island or Queens -- burns a house (which has happened) or causes fear to a family which moves in, is able to buy a house in that neighborhood. The criminal who did that should be made a real example of. I'd send somebody like that to jail for ten years -- a real example. Because I believe that people