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not interested in having our black kids sit next to your white kids on a bench in the school. What we're interested in is equal schools, equal education. That's what we want.” And I said to her, “But, Hilda, what you're saying is terrible. You're saying separate but equal, and the Supreme Court says there can't be such a thing as separate but equal.” And she said looking at me rather directly: “I wouldn't tell a Jew how to bake a bagel,” which I think sums it up. She knew more then than we knew then and that we're learning, which is: it is insane to take a black child and move that child by bus or any kind of transportation (it has nothing to do with bussing; I'm talking about racial balance -- bussing is just a euphemism), to move that child into Flatbush, which is one of the things that's happening, into a Jewish neighborhood.

What happens? Well, firstly, as I understand it, the child (and it's not one child -- it's hundreds, thousands) goes through these neighborhoods. They see neighborhoods that are very nice, they're very resentful. They come for a limited period of time, so they engage in a good deal of vandalism. They scare the shit out of the white kids that are there. In Brooklyn the schools that are still sought after are in the Italian area, because the Italians are very tough; and it is believed that a child going to a school in an Italian area is not going to be physically assaulted by blacks even when the blacks are brought into the school because the Italians are so