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That ain't better. Not in my book, that's not better. I dread to enter this area. I'm talking about gut feelings and things that others have expressed to me, and I don't pretend to be an expert. But you don't have to be an expert in this area. You just have to be reasonable and rational in your mind and not be caught up by every fad that comes to the fore.

The best illustration of this is community control in terms of how the liberals impose themselves on the rest of the people who are not of the same mind philosophically, but they seize control. Community control is a liberal shtick. Who was the major guy in this area?

I think you refer to Dr. Kenneth B. Clark, the psychologist.

Right. He was the major pusher of community control. Several years later he announces that he made a terrible, dreadful error and that community control is ruining the school system and he cries. Well, in the meanwhile he's ruined the school system in a sense, and he's dragged all these people with him, and they're left out on a limb. I think we've gone over this, but there's Nat Hentoff. I remember his column; he can't understand how Clark could say this, and it's an aberration, and he, Hentoff, is still going to stay with this possition. Hentoff sends his kids to that private school on 86th Street, Dalton. This is not news. He's been attacked time and time again. He's very sensitive about it. His answer is: “Well,