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the cop saw on the part of the Village community. And there was some justification to the cop's feeling.

Let me tell you what I mean by the justification. If a cop arrested somebody in Washington Square Park in the '60s -- I've seen it happen -- whether it was justified or not, and obviously some of these arrests were justified and I'm not talking about a particular one, but I've seen it happen: a cop arrests somebody, a long line of people -- I've seen lines of 25 people -- follow the cop with his prisoner to the 6th Precinct complaining: “Let him go, don't you hurt him,” that sort of thing. It was just nutty, absolutely nutty. But that was the reaction and to some degree justified because there was police brutality of a kind on occasion. That's over in my book. And the cops reacted just a strongly.

I want to tell you about Marvin Frankel. Can I tell you that? Judge Marvin Frankel is a superb judge. He sits over in the federal court. He had before him cases involving unions that kept out blacks, and there are unions in this country that still do it, and it's a goddamned outrage, and law suits were brought -- Special trades where you couldn't get a union card. In some of those trades, it wasn't just blacks - it would be anybody. The stage hands would be the best illustration. You had to be the son of a stage hand to get a union card. Those unions make a lot of money, those union members. The law suit was successful, and Judge Frankel in his decision said that the