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that they're interested in. But the truth is that they don't have enough beds; they need many more beds. They should have 5,000 beds, really, because to find out anything you have to try it on a lot of people, to really make some conclusions, you know. And they should be in the Center where there are enormous numbers of out-patients. However, it's still a remarkable and wonderful thing.

Well, I think that's about it for today. This is just about the middle of the fight, and we can finish next time.