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world. John Fogarty's defense of the figures was masterful. He had really turned from his blocking of additional money last year into a fighter for it.

The House floor debate on research funds was really one of the most triumphant scenes Florence and I have ever witnessed in behalf of our cause and it gave us both the deepest satisfaction.

Well, that is it. It was really absolutely triumphant. You can't imagine--Fogarty just stood there, and the guys came in and they listened to Taber and Cannon, and it was put to a voice vote and there were, you know, 200 people saying yea, and there were three nays. But it was a hell of a chance to take, because if it hadn't gone, we would have taken a terrible setback.

That broke the back of--you know, we had been poking around with tiny amounts of money, relatively speaking, until we finally showed that inthe House, when you took it to the floor, the people on the House floor wanted it and that the opposition was really only three or four people, but they were on the subcommittee.

I've got to give you the whole debate. Fogarty's presentation was marvelous, just marvelous.